Speaker 1: Hello, audience. I'm not the audience. I'm the person who
Speaker 1: makes things for the audience. Robert Evans. This is my
Speaker 1: podcast Behind the Bastards, only this week. It's not because
Speaker 1: this is part two of Garrison's armed coup against you know,
Speaker 1: to usurp all of my powers. So um, once again,
Speaker 1: who if you just say you don't know, somebody take over?
Speaker 1: There's guns near him. Um, I'm Robert Evans. He brought
Speaker 1: up Baton just wants eighteen because that statement was very sketchy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's eighteen. It's fine. This is Behind the Bastards.
Speaker 1: We talk about bad people, and this is part two
Speaker 1: of the episode that Garrison wrote, which is the first
Speaker 1: reversing of the status quo we've had on this show. Garrison,
Speaker 1: what do we? What do we? What do we? What
Speaker 1: do we talk about? Today? We last episode we were
Speaker 1: talking about the history of Focus on the Family and
Speaker 1: particularly James dubbson its founder. Today we're going to mainly
Speaker 1: talk about gay conversion therapy. Uh yeah, a nice little light,
Speaker 1: light topic. But we're gonna start off with something actually
Speaker 1: a little bit more fun. Okay, We're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 1: ease our way kind of into the less fun things. Um.
Speaker 1: So yeah, last week we're talking about folks in the family.
Speaker 1: How it started, You know, Dobson getting very politically active
Speaker 1: during the Reggan years with getting put on a whole
Speaker 1: lot of weird government boards that he was not qualified for. Um.
Speaker 1: And then we learned about his media empire. And remember
Speaker 1: that database that he was putting together. Yeah, yeah, the
Speaker 1: gigantic mailing huge like millions and millions of people's mailing
Speaker 1: lists that all the Republican lawmakers wanted to become friends
Speaker 1: Dobson so that they could have access to the mailing list.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, why else would you be friends with someone?
Speaker 1: That's the only reason I know you is your incredible
Speaker 1: mailing list. Um. So yeah, you know, anyone who communicated
Speaker 1: with them was added to mailing was huge thing um
Speaker 1: in uh in two thousand three. So like the last
Speaker 1: time you heard about the mailing list was around like
Speaker 1: nine five's when it had like four million names. So
Speaker 1: it's only been added two cents. It's hard to come
Speaker 1: up with exact numbers because they didn't they talk about
Speaker 1: it that much because it's you know, they shouldn't like
Speaker 1: for them, it's not in their best interests to really
Speaker 1: publicly talk about it. Yeah, because then people will think
Speaker 1: that they're just numbers on a list to these people
Speaker 1: who are pretending to be spiritual advisors. Yeah, yeah, pretending
Speaker 1: to be your friend. Yeah. So in two thousand three,
Speaker 1: Dobson actually stepped down as acting president and the chief
Speaker 1: executive officer focus on the family. He was still remaining
Speaker 1: like the figurehead over the organization, just less involved in
Speaker 1: day to day activities. Um. As we'll learn most of
Speaker 1: the day to day activities in the two thousand's were
Speaker 1: being extremely homophobic, um and campaigning against the gay agenda
Speaker 1: and what is scarcely give me a heads up, what
Speaker 1: is the gay agenda? Well, we'll find out what Dobson
Speaker 1: thinks it is. Okay, what they think is the GA
Speaker 1: because that's term. That's a term that they used. Okay,
Speaker 1: it kind of got very popular for if I remember
Speaker 1: being a conservative kid, well enough, the bulk of the
Speaker 1: gay agenda had to do with the TV show Will
Speaker 1: and Grace, but I don't remember much else from from
Speaker 1: my Republican days. Yeah. Well, well we'll get into details
Speaker 1: on what they think the gay agenda is. Um. But
Speaker 1: before we get to that kind of depressing stuff. Um,
Speaker 1: let's let's ease into the most funny homophobic thing that
Speaker 1: Dobson and focus on the family ever ever did Oh good?
Speaker 1: I love a little lighthearted homophobia from a man with
Speaker 1: incredible wealth and power. Um so, this is this is
Speaker 1: probably the best thing that's ever been done with this
Speaker 1: database ever. In October two eight, about a month before
Speaker 1: the eight presidential election, Dobson secretly wrote and sent out
Speaker 1: this letter titled a Letter from a Christian in two
Speaker 1: thousand twelve. I would love to just read this letter,
Speaker 1: and it's piority do it, but because it's all because
Speaker 1: it is absolutely magnificent, But it's it's over nine thousand words,
Speaker 1: which is about as long as these two podcasts combined. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's about that's about two hours with commentary. Um
Speaker 1: So I will have to go over some of the
Speaker 1: highlights and kind of give just a general gist. Um,
Speaker 1: the concept of this letter. It's spelled, it's pronounced gift,
Speaker 1: gift generals. It's a general gift. That doesn't sound right.
Speaker 1: I know because that was a lie. Garrison, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was a lie. It doesn't try to make you be
Speaker 1: as bad at pronouncing things as I is. The concept
Speaker 1: is that this letter was written by a Christian warning
Speaker 1: those in what will happen if the then far left
Speaker 1: radical Barack Obama was elected in two As an eight um,
Speaker 1: I will just read off the opening of this letter
Speaker 1: just you get kind of the mood of what the
Speaker 1: piece is going to be. Here. Here's here's how it starts.
Speaker 1: October twenty two, two thousand twelve. Dear friends, I can
Speaker 1: hardly sing the star spangled banner anymore. When I hear
Speaker 1: the words, oh, oh, say, does that star spangled banner
Speaker 1: wave over the land of the Free? I get tears
Speaker 1: in my eyes and a lump in my throat. Now
Speaker 1: in October, after seeing what's happened the past four years,
Speaker 1: I don't think I can still answer yes to that question.
Speaker 1: We are not the land of the free, in the
Speaker 1: home of the brave. Many of our freedoms have been
Speaker 1: taken away by a liberal Supreme Court and a democratic
Speaker 1: majority in both the House and the Senate, and hardly
Speaker 1: any brave citizen dares to resist the new government policies anymore.
Speaker 1: Election was closer than Anyoney expected, but Barack Obama still won.
Speaker 1: Many Christians voted for Obama. Younger evangelicals actually provided him
Speaker 1: with the needed margin to defeat John McCain, but they
Speaker 1: didn't think he would really follow through with all the
Speaker 1: far left policies that had made his career. They were wrong,
Speaker 1: far left policies like doing everything or Republican would do
Speaker 1: except for being shitty on abortion and to gay people. Well,
Speaker 1: even in twenty eight, Obama wasn't even for game. No
Speaker 1: he was not yeah yeah, like basically a Republican but
Speaker 1: not as not big at it as much. So like
Speaker 1: I wasn't around, but I wasn't paying attention to the
Speaker 1: twenty eight election because I was like six, um, so
Speaker 1: like I don't know, that's not let's not dwell too
Speaker 1: long on that continue. So like I don't like I've
Speaker 1: I've heard legends of what Obama's campaign was, Like I
Speaker 1: heard it was like very progressive in nature, but didn't
Speaker 1: actually get followed through. It's like I'm trying to understand
Speaker 1: from a Republican perspective, like were they actually like did
Speaker 1: it actually make sense? They were scared like this far
Speaker 1: left radical or was that now with Biden were like no,
Speaker 1: he's not at all, Like he's not even pretending to be.
Speaker 1: He was a little more. He definitely was playing to
Speaker 1: the progressive side, whereas Biden's playing to the conservative side.
Speaker 1: But like the stuff he was talking about, like there
Speaker 1: was talk of, you know, improving healthcare, he was going
Speaker 1: to close GUANTANAMOBEI, he was gonna not get the US
Speaker 1: into wars. But like, there wasn't a lot of there
Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of Like he wasn't promising like social life,
Speaker 1: full socialized medicine. He wasn't promising like he was promising
Speaker 1: you know, improvements, but he wasn't promising like we're gonna
Speaker 1: be like, you know, have an NHS like the UK.
Speaker 1: And he wasn't promising like basic income or like he
Speaker 1: was not he was running for the towards the progressive wing.
Speaker 1: But like like you said, he wasn't even back in
Speaker 1: gay marriage at that point. And here's the thing. Even
Speaker 1: though for marijuana, even though Barack Obama is told it
Speaker 1: as less progressive, in reality, Joe Biden is more progressive
Speaker 1: than Barack Obama. Which you're looking at your face now,
Speaker 1: you're like, hey, yeah, but if you're going off of records,
Speaker 1: if you're going off have record, you're not in what
Speaker 1: Biden is running on now is technically you could consider
Speaker 1: more progressive than what Obama did and looking at like
Speaker 1: their records except or etcetera. But if you're looking at
Speaker 1: like the I guess social side of it or the
Speaker 1: you know, pr side of it, you definitely people looked
Speaker 1: at Barack Obama as this extreme liberal progressive movement when
Speaker 1: it it really wasn't anything of that. It was so
Speaker 1: he was just a Democrat. He has a Democrat after
Speaker 1: like the worst Republican ever had been present for a
Speaker 1: rob I don't know, I'm still I'm still giving the
Speaker 1: edge to Bush because Trump has not started two new wars.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Like we'll see Trump still has the chance
Speaker 1: to be worse. But at this point in you're gonna
Speaker 1: agree to disagree. Garrison finished your sentences because I've gone
Speaker 1: an robber through the iPad. I mean, Trump got a
Speaker 1: lot more Americans. I'll say this Trump got was a
Speaker 1: worst president domestically because George W. Bush to the hell
Speaker 1: of a lot more international day And so what what
Speaker 1: this letter is going to be detailing for this far
Speaker 1: left agenda is written by a conservative who was born
Speaker 1: in the thirties, um who is again secretly wrote this
Speaker 1: and send it out to everyone on his database. Right,
Speaker 1: So like it's just they just receive a letter from
Speaker 1: a Christian in God, right, Like this is the concept
Speaker 1: of the letter, and he's going to describe all of
Speaker 1: the things that he thinks is gonna be is going
Speaker 1: to be doing. I bet these have all happened. Yeah,
Speaker 1: these things are all all absolutely exactly what happened. So
Speaker 1: the first, the main problem that the author secretly, James
Speaker 1: Dobson writes about is the is the Supreme Court because
Speaker 1: Obama makes a six to three far less Supreme Court
Speaker 1: having one party with that kind of dominance of the
Speaker 1: Supreme What a nightmare, What a nightmare that would be
Speaker 1: if we had a six to three Supreme Court leaning
Speaker 1: on one side. Yeah, yeah, it could never happen. Um.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to read the first major change the
Speaker 1: far left liberals enact. Um. So I'm gonna start. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna quote from the letter here. The most far reaching
Speaker 1: transformation of the American society came from the Supreme court
Speaker 1: stunning affirmation in early that homosexual quote marriage was a
Speaker 1: quote constitutional right that had to be respected in all
Speaker 1: fifty states because laws barring same sexual marriage valid of
Speaker 1: they broke the equal Protections clause in the Constitution. So
Speaker 1: he he brought. He discusses how he thinks same sex
Speaker 1: marriage is actually not constitutionally protected because of these dumb
Speaker 1: things whatever. He gets very mad. He writes, suddenly homosexual
Speaker 1: marriage was the law on the land in all fifty states.
Speaker 1: No state legislator, no state Supreme Court, no state constitutional amendment,
Speaker 1: not even Congress had any power to change it. The
Speaker 1: Supreme Court had ruled and the discussion was over. This
Speaker 1: was a plaintant example of the of of creating law
Speaker 1: by the court instead of just interpreting it. For homosexual
Speaker 1: marriage was mentioned nowhere in the Constitution, nor would any
Speaker 1: of the office have imagined same sex quote marriage could
Speaker 1: be derived from their words. So this is the first
Speaker 1: huge change that happens in America. But I mean that
Speaker 1: did happen and not but not happened much later on.
Speaker 1: But so now, the fun part of this letter is
Speaker 1: that we get to hear about all of the bad
Speaker 1: things that have happened because of this ruling. This ruling
Speaker 1: is very important excited if you remember from the last
Speaker 1: episode in two US and four, Dobson wrote this whole
Speaker 1: book called um Marriage under fire. Yeah maybe or not.
Speaker 1: I mentioned in the last episode. I know I mentioned.
Speaker 1: I mentioned it later, um, which is all about, you know,
Speaker 1: what will happen to this country if homosexual marriage becomes
Speaker 1: a thing. So now he gets to write this very
Speaker 1: fun piece of fan fiction or excellence speculative fiction about
Speaker 1: about what this change does. So the letter details far
Speaker 1: reaching changes due to this decision. The first impact, the
Speaker 1: letter writes, is that the Boy Scouts are no longer
Speaker 1: an organization. This is the first thing. Yeah, okay, they
Speaker 1: banned the Boy Scouts. So the Boy Scouts quote chose
Speaker 1: to disband rather than be forced to obey the Supreme
Speaker 1: Court decision that they would have to hire homosexual Scout masters,
Speaker 1: which just sounds like good workplace discrimination laws to me.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, it's that one of the reasons
Speaker 1: that's kind of wild to me. Just I guess it's
Speaker 1: not surprising because again, I grew up in this world.
Speaker 1: But the the first gay person that I ever like
Speaker 1: knew personally was a kid about a year older than me,
Speaker 1: who I was an academic to kathlon with in high school,
Speaker 1: and we were both in the Boy Scouts and he
Speaker 1: was about to finish his Eagle Scout and one day
Speaker 1: we were like alone in this little classroom that we had,
Speaker 1: and he just kind of blurted out that he was
Speaker 1: and then asked me not to tell anybody because he
Speaker 1: didn't want to lose his eagle. And that was like
Speaker 1: I was still like very hardcore, like like right wing
Speaker 1: at this point, but that was like my first that
Speaker 1: was in retrospect, kind of one of the first cracks
Speaker 1: in my worldview because it was like, well, okay, I
Speaker 1: like this guy, this guy's a friend of mine, Like
Speaker 1: why is he so scared of admitting this thing that
Speaker 1: doesn't seem good? Yeah, that doesn't seem like a society.
Speaker 1: It's a little off topic, but no, yeah, like that,
Speaker 1: then that is it real? When I was when I
Speaker 1: was growing up in the conservative circle, that was actually
Speaker 1: a big fear is if if gays are allowed in
Speaker 1: the boy Scouts, that's gonna that That was It was
Speaker 1: a that was a hotly debated topic. Yeah it still is,
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, But stuff has changed since then without
Speaker 1: without that voicecause as an organization operates where it's less
Speaker 1: of a it's less of a big deal. But it
Speaker 1: used to be really really a huge, big world. Oh, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I learned a lot of great stuff in the Boy Scouts.
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed my time in the Scouts. Not to
Speaker 1: whitewash the various significant problems that organization has, but um, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was a good experience for me. So
Speaker 1: the letter also details about the Boy Scouts unquote, it
Speaker 1: had became increasingly difficult for the Boy Scouts to find
Speaker 1: a meeting place anyway, because in two thousand nine, Congress
Speaker 1: and President Obama signed an expansion of the Civil Rights Act,
Speaker 1: which extended federal civil rights protections to people engaging in
Speaker 1: homosexual behavior. So the Proud Boys have been kicked out
Speaker 1: of all public facilities. No, not Proud Boys. Sorry, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking we have there's a big fascist rally tomorrow. I'm
Speaker 1: thinking Proud Boys. No, the Boy Scouts had had been
Speaker 1: kicked out of all public facilities because there's like, the
Speaker 1: Boy Scouts have become public enemy number one under Obama's
Speaker 1: justice system. So they've been kicked out of all public
Speaker 1: buildings because they don't because of their homosexual rules. Think
Speaker 1: of how much more fun today would be if the
Speaker 1: government was going full bore after the Boy Scouts and
Speaker 1: not Antifa just running down twelve year olds in the street,
Speaker 1: throwing them into unmarked vans, cub Scout troops disappearing in
Speaker 1: the night. Because they don't like gay people. That's why
Speaker 1: they ever been putting them down. Yeah, yeah, maybe they
Speaker 1: didn't tie one of their rope not Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that would be funny. I'm so sorry. Please continue. Other
Speaker 1: aspects of this far left failing state are that schools
Speaker 1: now teach gender science and incorporate queer studies into their
Speaker 1: sex set. As a result, quote, tens of thousands of
Speaker 1: Christian teachers either quit or were fired, and many Christian
Speaker 1: private schools were chose to shut down rather than be
Speaker 1: forced to quote obey the law and teach that homosexuality
Speaker 1: and heterosexuality are both morally good choices. So all these
Speaker 1: Christians school shut down because they would have been forced
Speaker 1: to teach that both homosexuality and heterosexuality are like okay
Speaker 1: and is the intens of thousands of teachers quick rather
Speaker 1: than that, then do that. Also, Dobson was very upset
Speaker 1: that jet you talk about gender now in sex. I
Speaker 1: don't think we should talk about gender at all. I
Speaker 1: don't think there should be genders. I think everyone should
Speaker 1: just I think when it's time to breed, you should
Speaker 1: just have one large group of people ejaculate into a
Speaker 1: pool and then another group of people swim around in it.
Speaker 1: And if children happen, that's the only thought anyone ever
Speaker 1: gives to it. If you can incorporate that into a
Speaker 1: gender abolition argument, maybe you can get jobs on boards
Speaker 1: on what he wrote. The key and I are allies
Speaker 1: on this more gender. Yeah, we can, we can, we
Speaker 1: can figure something out. We can. We can email him
Speaker 1: he's still around. No, don't think about just a network
Speaker 1: of semen pools all around the country. It's it could work, Sophie.
Speaker 1: No more gender continue, just a bunch of warm, salty
Speaker 1: swimming pools. Today, speaking speaking of speaking of getting children
Speaker 1: with no homes, which I feel like the swimming pool
Speaker 1: idea would probably get some kids with not with not
Speaker 1: many homes. Um. All Christian adoption agencies have been shut
Speaker 1: down because they refuse to let gay couples adopt people.
Speaker 1: So that's a big thing in the Christian scene, is
Speaker 1: Christian adoption agencies. I I know about this from experience
Speaker 1: dealing with those adoption agencies. Um, yeah, they big. They
Speaker 1: hate it when a gay person gets to get one
Speaker 1: of the kids. Yeah, they try to avoid it at
Speaker 1: all costs. Um, and stuff has changed now. But you
Speaker 1: know dob Dobson's writing here when his family had to
Speaker 1: like drive, like flee from a state or some ship,
Speaker 1: they were like being chased or something. Yeah, so in
Speaker 1: this fiction Dobson's rights here that they they just all
Speaker 1: shut down instead of letting gay people adopt adopt. Um.
Speaker 1: None of that is surprising. And one of my favorite
Speaker 1: parts of this first section about the changes that like
Speaker 1: gay rights made is that um in no one's allowed
Speaker 1: to re allowed the Bible on TV and radio because
Speaker 1: I remember when they banned the Bible. There's the letter
Speaker 1: the Bible could no longer be freely preached over radio
Speaker 1: or television stations when the subject matter includes such offensive
Speaker 1: quote doctrines such as criticizing homosexual behavior or other offensive
Speaker 1: other offensive sections. Uh. The Streme Court agreed that these
Speaker 1: should be kept off the air, prohibited as quote hate
Speaker 1: speech that is likely to incite violence and discrimination. These
Speaker 1: policies followed broadcasting and print restrictions that were in place
Speaker 1: prior Toy eight in Canada, which is a lie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just I don't know if you know said a lie.
Speaker 1: It's a lie because like I was in I was
Speaker 1: a Christian in Canada in a very conservative cultish environment.
Speaker 1: And no, I had friends whose parents would like preach
Speaker 1: hate speech on the radio. No, I'm pretty sure that
Speaker 1: kill everybody who so much as looks at a Bible
Speaker 1: nearer radio. That's Canadian law. It's right under the thing
Speaker 1: about making it illegal to falsify maple syrup. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: famous Canadian legal code. No Bible, lots of syrup. Also,
Speaker 1: the other main thing Mounties do is hunt down Indigenous
Speaker 1: people and beat them up. Yeah, those are the three
Speaker 1: main things they if they see. If they see a Bible,
Speaker 1: they lose it. They see faking maple syrup, they lose it.
Speaker 1: If they see an Indigenous person, they freak out. The
Speaker 1: three things everyone knows about the Mounties the thin reddish
Speaker 1: thin line, the thin horse wearing line, the thin horse line.
Speaker 1: So this does play into my theory that horses are
Speaker 1: anyway you know, you know horses kill me right deathly
Speaker 1: allergic to horses. I didn't know I get if I
Speaker 1: get near one, it's bad. See everybody, like I was
Speaker 1: right when I said we need horse genocide. Now human
Speaker 1: beings need Sorry, all right, let's just go on speaking
Speaker 1: of health related issues like not being around horses. Um.
Speaker 1: Physicians and lawyers who reserved to who refused to serve
Speaker 1: queer people lost their licenses. Um. If churches refused to
Speaker 1: be used for LGBT weddings, they lose their tax exempt status. Um,
Speaker 1: which is actually that's kind of an interesting idea. I mean,
Speaker 1: I have quite I have my own opinions of churches
Speaker 1: should be texed in any way, but like if a
Speaker 1: lawyer and doctor like refuses to do their job on
Speaker 1: someone because they're queer, maybe they should lose their license.
Speaker 1: I agree with that with lawyers and doctors, like, I
Speaker 1: don't think I think it's kind of a fake boogeyman
Speaker 1: the idea that churches would be forced to marry anybody
Speaker 1: like because it's never happened. Yeah, but yeah, I think
Speaker 1: if you're a fucking doctor in somebody's like dying and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh but gay, icky, like yeah, you shouldn't. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I can't do this, Like I just as a guy
Speaker 1: who carries a medical kid around it where like a rally,
Speaker 1: and I see like a fucking proud boy get shot
Speaker 1: and I have the ability to stop them from bleeding
Speaker 1: to death. I'll try to stop them from bleeding to
Speaker 1: death because it's just what you do. If you're not
Speaker 1: going to do that, you have no right to call
Speaker 1: yourself a fucking doctor. So here's another section about the church.
Speaker 1: The church changes um quote. While churches are still free
Speaker 1: to turn down homosexual applicants for the job of senior pastor,
Speaker 1: churches and para church organizations are no longer free to
Speaker 1: reject homosexual applicants for staff positions such as part time
Speaker 1: youth pastor and and director of counseling. Those that have
Speaker 1: rejected homosexual applicants have also had their tax exempt status revoked.
Speaker 1: I love how granular they are about how much the
Speaker 1: Obama administration was going to interfere with like the staffing
Speaker 1: decisions local churches. Nine thousand words in the letter. They
Speaker 1: get into a lot of detail. It's you couldn't even
Speaker 1: get the website working for the shitty healthcare plan he
Speaker 1: gave us, Like what do you do you think he's
Speaker 1: gonna be like, no, you can't seen your staff are
Speaker 1: allowed to you can? You can, you can refuse to
Speaker 1: hire gay for them. But if you hire a youth pastor.
Speaker 1: They have to be allowed to be like, how do
Speaker 1: what are you imagining them sitting down and doing it's nine.
Speaker 1: I'm cutting out so much like small details. He adds on,
Speaker 1: it's astonished he would be here for two hours. It's
Speaker 1: just a sta mishing. Ah, it's real. It's really a
Speaker 1: great letter. Um. One of the few semi accurate predictions
Speaker 1: he actually made was that um, don't ask, don't tell.
Speaker 1: Got ended, yes, Um. But with the weird addition that
Speaker 1: Dobson says new LGBT people enrolling the military are given
Speaker 1: a special bonus for enlisting into military service to compensate
Speaker 1: for past discrimination. I remember that the gay bounty that
Speaker 1: the army gives up, so they get gay people get
Speaker 1: paid extra for being in the military because they were
Speaker 1: discriminated against in the past. So yeah, that sounds like
Speaker 1: a thing that the army does. That that sounds like
Speaker 1: the army. Um. So again here he he restates if
Speaker 1: nurses refused to help patients with abortions, they'll lose their job,
Speaker 1: and if doctors um refused, they lose their licenses to
Speaker 1: deliver babies in any state, all mandated by federal law.
Speaker 1: So as as as added onto like if you refers
Speaker 1: to where people if you refused to help with an abortion,
Speaker 1: if you're a nurse, you're fired. If you're a doctor,
Speaker 1: or you lose your license to deliver babies, Like you
Speaker 1: can still be a doctor, but you just can't assist
Speaker 1: in the delivering of babies in any state, which is
Speaker 1: a weird decision to speculate about. Yeah, I can. Like,
Speaker 1: it's this thing that people who are it's this thing
Speaker 1: that I see on the right, and on the religious
Speaker 1: right in particular, where they imagine that all everyone but
Speaker 1: them thinks about is how to hurt them. So like Obama,
Speaker 1: who had a lot on his plate when he became president.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you don't remember this garrison, but like
Speaker 1: the the entire United States was about to collapse financially,
Speaker 1: um and even well maybe not as dire as the
Speaker 1: place we are in now, but pretty fucking dire situation.
Speaker 1: And like it was just a disaster area of a country. Um,
Speaker 1: And they're thinking he's gonna be like super focus, like
Speaker 1: laser focused on changing internal policy in a bunch of
Speaker 1: like small local churches just to be evil. Obama. He's
Speaker 1: very It's amazing, I mean, Obama was anti Christ. That's
Speaker 1: what That's what I heard as a kid. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: sure was. I remember that when he opened the Seventh
Speaker 1: Seal and let loose the Hounds of Hell. Was the
Speaker 1: October surprise? Yeah, Robert, did you know what? Won't release
Speaker 1: the Seven Sins of Hell. I don't accept anyone to
Speaker 1: advertise on this show unless I think there's a decent
Speaker 1: chance they're the anti Christ? Do do you know who
Speaker 1: will open the Seven Seals? Possibly, possibly, possible, allegedly allegedly
Speaker 1: are some potentially some of these products and services onto
Speaker 1: the show? What? Yeah? Yeah, products? Hi, we're back when
Speaker 1: porn what Garrison, don't say porn apparently eighteen apparent everywhere everywhere.
Speaker 1: This is not on me, This is no, this is Dobson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is on James Dobson. Porn is everywhere. Now back
Speaker 1: back back to the letter. Porn everywhere, huge problem in
Speaker 1: America now, gas stations, grocery stores, news stands, all places
Speaker 1: that kids can easily find. Porn magazines everywhere. If kids
Speaker 1: could easily find porn, So like this is another thing
Speaker 1: where Dobson was like right, but in the wrong way,
Speaker 1: Like like he was imagining porn magazines on all these
Speaker 1: grocery stores stands. This is this letter. I guess the
Speaker 1: letter was written by Dobson eight from a Christian in right,
Speaker 1: so it was it was written into into us and
Speaker 1: eight in from the perspective of someone into twos and twelve. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he says, another big problem and now is
Speaker 1: that porns everywhere because of because of new rulings under
Speaker 1: the First Amendment. Is that now that porn can be
Speaker 1: displayed in any anywhere, gas stations, grocery stores, news stands,
Speaker 1: all places where kids can now find porn because of
Speaker 1: the First Amendment. I mean, the funny thing about that
Speaker 1: is that because of smartphones and access to stuff like that,
Speaker 1: kids have more access to pornography than they ever have.
Speaker 1: And your generation also has less sex than previous generations.
Speaker 1: And we're kind of the generation that understands concepts of
Speaker 1: consent kind of more than any other generation. The opposite
Speaker 1: thing happened. Yeah, Like, you be fine when you provide
Speaker 1: some information, even if it's bad. The kids will still
Speaker 1: look up other information and then some of that will
Speaker 1: be eventually good if they go to actually medical sites. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then it seems broadly speaking like we're fine, well
Speaker 1: on that anyway, UM, besides on something less fun than porn. Um.
Speaker 1: By by two thousand twelve, it's illegal for citizens to
Speaker 1: own guns in eight states. The letter writes, quote inner
Speaker 1: city violent crime has increased dramatically due to people not
Speaker 1: allowed to have guns in eight states. Um in uh
Speaker 1: into US in ten. Yeah, I'm not just gonna move
Speaker 1: on like that's all he really writes about. It is
Speaker 1: you can't have guns in some states. I think Organs
Speaker 1: listed as one of the states he speculates doesn't have
Speaker 1: guns anymore. A very good writer's not He's not. Um
Speaker 1: And according to um Dobson in two US in ten,
Speaker 1: Obama will begin drawing troops from Iraq. Then later on
Speaker 1: Al Qaeda operatives from Syria and Iran poured in and
Speaker 1: overtook the Iraqi security forces. Further in bolding the terrorists,
Speaker 1: Obama caused UM. Obama ceased the mass wire tap ring
Speaker 1: of all alleged terrorists in the United States unless a
Speaker 1: warrant was first obtained. So that's that really emboldened the
Speaker 1: terrorist is that now you can't they can't. The government
Speaker 1: can'ts wire tap any phone they want in the States. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that definitely never happened in Portland over the summer, because
Speaker 1: they certainly did not wire tap a bunch of activists
Speaker 1: phones for the crimes of modest to mine or property damage.
Speaker 1: Since two nine, there's been four terrorist bomba attacks in
Speaker 1: the United States. No rest has been made. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: I do remember that when the entire national security establishment said, well,
Speaker 1: what have we just stopped giving a ship about Islamic terrorism? Quote?
Speaker 1: President Obama has moved to deep in US ties in
Speaker 1: US trade with communist regimes in Cuba, Venezuela, and Bolivia,
Speaker 1: regimes that have long enjoyed the favor of far left
Speaker 1: factions in the Democratic Party. I don't even know what
Speaker 1: he's trying to say. They're neither. Uh, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: a fantasy novel. I Ran dropped a nuclear bomb on
Speaker 1: an Israeli city, remember that, demanding Israel give huge amount
Speaker 1: quote huge amounts of land back to Palestines. First off,
Speaker 1: Israel doesn't even have huge amounts of land like that
Speaker 1: to say they didn't take a lot of Palestines land,
Speaker 1: but the whole area is like the size of Jersey. Yes, um.
Speaker 1: Obama said he abhorred what Iran did in dropping a
Speaker 1: nuclear bomb Um. But he hoped that the U S
Speaker 1: would be part of an international peacekeeping force sanctioned by
Speaker 1: the u N. But the Muslim nations in the in
Speaker 1: the u N have so far prevented any action. That's
Speaker 1: that's a quote from Dobson. The Muslim nations in the
Speaker 1: UN have prevented any action from from the UN assisting
Speaker 1: in peacekeeping. Yeah, that's yeah, that's why Obama didn't didn't
Speaker 1: take any actions in any foreign Muslim dominated countries um
Speaker 1: at at any point uh in his administration. That's why
Speaker 1: there were no military actions taken against Muslims at all
Speaker 1: by the Obama administration. You know more about this kind
Speaker 1: of stuff than I do. Were like if Obama, you know,
Speaker 1: in two US and ten withdrew withdrawal troops from Iraq.
Speaker 1: This jobs talks about al Qaeda operatives and Syrian Iran
Speaker 1: pouring in and overtaking the Iraqi security forces. How how
Speaker 1: likely that what would that have been from al Qaeda
Speaker 1: in overtaking Iraqi security forces? I mean it's ironic because
Speaker 1: we we pulled out and I think eleven shortly later, Yeah,
Speaker 1: by the at the demand of the Iraqi government and
Speaker 1: a large chunk of the country did get overtaken largely
Speaker 1: by Iraqis who were other angry and extremists. Uh, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's very like it's funny because they
Speaker 1: got aspects of that right, but in the wrong way,
Speaker 1: like Iran are the deadly enemies of isis um who
Speaker 1: who despised them because they're they're shia um. And you
Speaker 1: did have a lot of iraq get taken over, but
Speaker 1: most of the paramilitaries doing it were either foreign fighters
Speaker 1: or other Iraqis. And the leadership CADRA that was in
Speaker 1: charge of the whole thing, We're all a bunch of
Speaker 1: people who had met because the United States, enter George Bush,
Speaker 1: threw them together in the same prison camp, which was
Speaker 1: basically a big college for terrorists, Camp BUCA. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's pretty funny. I I would I would say,
Speaker 1: good good. I'm glad someone was able to talk about that,
Speaker 1: who knew more that than I did. We we we now
Speaker 1: pivot to healthcare in in the letter, So I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna read off this great quote quote. The new Congress
Speaker 1: under President Obama passed a nationalized quote single payer health
Speaker 1: care system in which the US government is the provider
Speaker 1: of health care in the United States, following the pattern
Speaker 1: of nationalized medicine in the United Kingdom and Canada. The
Speaker 1: great benefits So yeah, so for sounds great to me.
Speaker 1: I wish that had happened as someone who lived in
Speaker 1: Canada and got free health care for years, was it
Speaker 1: was pretty good. Yeah, but I bet they forced you
Speaker 1: not to have I bet you weren't allowed to have
Speaker 1: kids anymore because you're Christian. Oh yeah, and that was
Speaker 1: the one that was they stopped from It was unfortunate.
Speaker 1: So continue the quote, Um, the great benefit is that
Speaker 1: the medical care is now free for everyone. But here
Speaker 1: it is if you can get it. Now that health
Speaker 1: Now that health care is free, it seems everyone wants
Speaker 1: more of it the wing. The waiting list for prostate
Speaker 1: cancer surgery is three years. The waiting list for overarian
Speaker 1: cancer is two years, just as the Canadian experience has
Speaker 1: shown prior to two thousand and eight with its own
Speaker 1: nationalized healthcare. So in the US only a small number
Speaker 1: of m rs are performed, down from two thousand and eight,
Speaker 1: which isn't isn't true for how the Canadian health there's
Speaker 1: a whole section of our right wing lies about how
Speaker 1: the Canadian healthcare system works, which is very frustrating. That
Speaker 1: are important to know is that y'all live longer and
Speaker 1: you have lower rates of physician related death. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: like prostate cancer surgery isn't three years waiting time like
Speaker 1: they just they come up with these ridiculous lies of
Speaker 1: the Canadian healthcare system that I know is untrue because
Speaker 1: I have a grandma who relies on it to keep living,
Speaker 1: so I understand what the wait times are and how
Speaker 1: they operate, and the way American right wing conservative media
Speaker 1: talks about it, it it is very frustrating. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's infuriating. Um. Yeah. And uh. Also about about m
Speaker 1: rs because they are so expensive and they discover more
Speaker 1: problems that need treatment, they're almost never authorized, which is
Speaker 1: how like it's a weird thought process, like thinking about
Speaker 1: them because they're too expensive, Like, no, they're expensive now
Speaker 1: because of the way our because of how the insurance
Speaker 1: scam works. One of the people I love most in
Speaker 1: the world had to get an m R I last
Speaker 1: year and delayed it by months and almost didn't get
Speaker 1: it because it cost even with health insurance, cost her
Speaker 1: like a couple of thousand dollars. Meanwhile, my German friends
Speaker 1: go to the doctor if they just feel like something
Speaker 1: might be wrong. Maybe I'll just go get it checked.
Speaker 1: But I have a tummy ache, had to go to
Speaker 1: the doc. Yeah, like the ridiculous nature. Like Dobson doesn't
Speaker 1: understand this at all, because like he's he still thinks
Speaker 1: that like mrs will be expensive under nationalized medicine, which
Speaker 1: you know, like the point of changing to a nationalized
Speaker 1: healthcare system is that no, it won't. It will be
Speaker 1: very cheap because the only reason it's expensive now is
Speaker 1: because of the insurance scam. You know, Adam Conover did
Speaker 1: a really good episode on his television show dealing with
Speaker 1: this exact problem for how like this like whole price
Speaker 1: scam works and hospitals. Yeah, it's it's infuriating, very frustrating. Um.
Speaker 1: The letter then fearmongers about some boring tex stuff that
Speaker 1: I don't care about. I don't care about Dobson's tax nightmares.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna skip over because it's just him being
Speaker 1: scared of taxes whatever. Again, this this guy was on
Speaker 1: the tax advisory panel under Reagan, which he shouldn't have been,
Speaker 1: but he was. So I'm just gonna skip over because
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't care. Um, probably the most ridiculous
Speaker 1: and incorrect and incorrectly correct. Like it's correct and it's not.
Speaker 1: It's wrong, but it's kind of correct in this weird way.
Speaker 1: It's an accurate prediction in some ways, but I'm still wrong. Um.
Speaker 1: The SEC imposed its new policy called the Fairness Doctrine
Speaker 1: Quote which requires your quoting, which requires radio stations to
Speaker 1: provide quote equal time for alternative views on political or
Speaker 1: policy issues. As a result, all radio stations have to
Speaker 1: provide equal time to contrasting views for every political or
Speaker 1: policy related program they broadcast. By talk radio shows such
Speaker 1: as Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingram, Seawan, Hanny, Dennis Prager, uh
Speaker 1: Hugh Hewitt, and broadcasters like Dr James Dobson, every conservative
Speaker 1: of individuals, every conservative talk show is followed by an
Speaker 1: instant rebuttal of the program by a liberal watchdog group.
Speaker 1: So this is obviously very silly and very wrong. But
Speaker 1: what he got right is how YouTube works now for
Speaker 1: like all of these all this like this whole genre
Speaker 1: of YouTube where like you'll watch you know, it's like
Speaker 1: a lefty watching a right wing person's program, or a
Speaker 1: right wing person watching a lefties program and like pausing
Speaker 1: every ten seconds to give a rebuttal, yeah, which is
Speaker 1: a huge genre YouTube. It's the U S economy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But like the idea that like radio stations would pause
Speaker 1: in real time on Rush Limbaugh to have like a
Speaker 1: left wing for a singular rebuttle for every shows very
Speaker 1: fun as opposed to like what actually happened, which is
Speaker 1: right wing media has only has become like the most
Speaker 1: dominant media block in the country via substantial march after
Speaker 1: two years of Obama, it only got much too more powerful.
Speaker 1: And I like that Dobson like suddenly adds his name
Speaker 1: to the end of this list because again he wrote,
Speaker 1: he like ghost through the letter. He like adds his
Speaker 1: name at the very end, Dr James Dobson. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's just self promotion that it's most slimy. That's
Speaker 1: just Dobson babing. So that was okay. So the FCC
Speaker 1: past ten two thousand nine. By twos and ten, conservative
Speaker 1: talk radio had all been shut down. Yes, I do
Speaker 1: remember that. I remember. I remember the nightmare when I
Speaker 1: couldn't hear Rush Limbaugh convinced my parents that it was
Speaker 1: okay to glass the entire Middle East from the sky
Speaker 1: because some some dudes funked up a building. Um, I
Speaker 1: do remember that, so yeah, it doesn't end that shut down.
Speaker 1: Just in good news. The Justice Department filed criminal charges
Speaker 1: and civil charges against nearly all Bush Edmond Stration officials
Speaker 1: that that had involvement in the Iraq War. A thing
Speaker 1: that would have a knife, that would have massively improved
Speaker 1: the world we live in. That God, I desperately want
Speaker 1: to live in. James Dobson's fantasy America. James Dobson's fantasy
Speaker 1: world in which there are consequences for committing war crimes.
Speaker 1: Oh the world. Um, Christian book publishers are all shut
Speaker 1: down because of anti LGPD hate speech. Yeah, okayport shutting
Speaker 1: down book publishers. But also yeah, it's stupid. It never happened. Um,
Speaker 1: churches can no longer meet in public schools or any
Speaker 1: public places because of the new quote separation of churches schools.
Speaker 1: That is a problem. Actually, churches could longer be in
Speaker 1: public schools because of quote new separation of church and
Speaker 1: state laws. It does seem like that was always a
Speaker 1: violation of the separation of church and state, with the
Speaker 1: operative word being separation separation. Okay, Christian homeschooling has effectively
Speaker 1: all been stopped, in part because parents were now forced
Speaker 1: to not teach their kids that homosexual conduct is wrong
Speaker 1: or that Jesus is the only way to God, since
Speaker 1: these ideas have been found to hinder students social adjustment
Speaker 1: and acceptance of other lifestyles and beliefs. That last part
Speaker 1: was quoting the letter. There um, thousands of homeschooling parents
Speaker 1: had fled to Australia and New Zealand, the last bastion
Speaker 1: of Christianity, New Zealand. So a massive refuge of Christian
Speaker 1: homeschooling parents have moved to New Zealand. And I'll finally,
Speaker 1: I'll finish talking about this piece of speculative fiction with
Speaker 1: this quote from the end of the letter. Many people
Speaker 1: thought Obama sounded so thoughtful, so reasonable. During his campaign.
Speaker 1: After he had won the Democratic nomination, he seemed to
Speaker 1: be moving to the center in his speeches, moving away
Speaker 1: from his far left record. No one thought he would
Speaker 1: enact such a far left, extreme liberal agenda. But the
Speaker 1: record was all there for anyone to see. The agenda
Speaker 1: of the a c l U, the agenda of the
Speaker 1: liberal activist judges and their dissenting opinions, the agenda of
Speaker 1: the homosexual activists, the agenda of environmental activists of the
Speaker 1: National Board of Education, the global warming activists, abortion rights
Speaker 1: activists and control activists, um USE and Asia supporters, One
Speaker 1: World Government, pacifists, far left groups in Canada and Europe.
Speaker 1: All these agencies, all all these agendas were in plain sight,
Speaker 1: and all these groups provided huge support for Senator Obama.
Speaker 1: The liberal agenda was there, but too many people just
Speaker 1: didn't want to see it. Heart heartwarming. The far left
Speaker 1: agenda of the a c l U. Yeah, who is
Speaker 1: actually doing really good stuff important right now? They're helping them. No, No,
Speaker 1: they're burning churches. And they're burning churches. That's what the
Speaker 1: it's the American Christian lighting fire. They're showing up the
Speaker 1: homes of homeschooling parents and scaring them away to New Zealand. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what the tickets to a better country? How dare
Speaker 1: they so? Like? The point of this letter was like
Speaker 1: to scare young Christians who feel a little bit of
Speaker 1: hope that things can be better under a bomba to
Speaker 1: be like, no, you don't understand how bad Obama is.
Speaker 1: It's going to be really bad. Now, the letter didn't
Speaker 1: do much because Obama is still one. So even though
Speaker 1: its sent off to like at least ten million people anonymously,
Speaker 1: it's a kind of a crazy thing to do, Like
Speaker 1: why would you listen to this letter? There's my anonymous
Speaker 1: fantasy about like like what the funk is this? I
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah. Um, Now now that we've warmed up
Speaker 1: on that really great, really great heartwarming thing, the next
Speaker 1: half of the episode is going to be about the
Speaker 1: actual bad stuff, so focus on the family's active anti
Speaker 1: LGBT activism. Really started in when they launched their quote
Speaker 1: ex gay ministry. UM in this mystery was called Love
Speaker 1: One Out. That was the title of what they So yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember making fun of that because it sounds like
Speaker 1: like like a restoration. It sounds like a restorating that's
Speaker 1: what it said. Yeah, right, So x GAG is just
Speaker 1: a more polite term for gay commersion therapy. Um, it's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not getting converted from being gay, just I'm X gay.
Speaker 1: It's an X gay program. So Love One Out, great
Speaker 1: name is is different from other gay conversion therapy programs
Speaker 1: because it's more because it's it's it's more of a
Speaker 1: grift than any other one, which I mean, they're all
Speaker 1: kind of grift, but this one specifically is more more
Speaker 1: than a grift of anything because Love One Out isn't
Speaker 1: actually a program, it's a it's a quarterly traveling conference. Um,
Speaker 1: so it's here's here's our mission statement from one of
Speaker 1: their conference guide books, quote, to provide a christ centered,
Speaker 1: comprehensive conference which will enlighten, in power and equip families, churches,
Speaker 1: youth leaders, educators, counselors, policymakers, and the gay community on
Speaker 1: the truth about homosexuality and its impact on culture, family,
Speaker 1: and youth. So that is their mission statement they put
Speaker 1: in their little conference book. It's not good so as you,
Speaker 1: as you may have been able to pick up on
Speaker 1: only actually like a fraction of those who attend are gay.
Speaker 1: A lot of the attendees are parents of teens quote
Speaker 1: struggling with homosexuality or like youth pastors, among others. So
Speaker 1: there's there is a fair there is a fair amount
Speaker 1: gay people that that still go to the conference. One
Speaker 1: way or the other. We'll get we'll get to details
Speaker 1: for that later. But it's really a mix of like pastors,
Speaker 1: people who think they're like counselors and then like concerned
Speaker 1: parents who are like, oh no, my I think my
Speaker 1: team could be gay. What can I do to stop this?
Speaker 1: And then also you know, gay people were were brought
Speaker 1: in against their world quite often, which will fear about
Speaker 1: their remifications of later yeah not not not really great. Um,
Speaker 1: So what love went out views as the cause of
Speaker 1: homosexuality is also a little bit different from some of
Speaker 1: the other gay like Christian version therapy programs, where where
Speaker 1: other Christian organizations takes takes the position at homosexuality is
Speaker 1: a choice or they'll say it's naturally feel feelings, you
Speaker 1: just can't act on them. And there's like the very
Speaker 1: classes just pray, pray the gay away type of stuff.
Speaker 1: It's like there's always a classical kind of thing. It's
Speaker 1: like it's the choice. It's not a it's not a choice,
Speaker 1: but you can choose not to act on it, Like
Speaker 1: it's okay to feel these things, just you can't act
Speaker 1: um or just you know, pray a lot um. The
Speaker 1: main position is that that that that love one out
Speaker 1: is it takes is that homosexuality is socially caused, usually
Speaker 1: by mistakes made in parenting or childhood trauma. Because again
Speaker 1: this is an organization called Focus on the Family that's
Speaker 1: only about giving very bad family and parenting advice. So
Speaker 1: they're trauma like getting beaten, so that their pitch for
Speaker 1: this is to parents like, hey, you were a crappy parent.
Speaker 1: That's why your child is now gay. Let us teach
Speaker 1: you how to be a better parent so your kid
Speaker 1: can't be gay. No, your kid, your kid turned out
Speaker 1: gay because you didn't hit him the way James Dobson
Speaker 1: taught you to hit him. You gotta hit him a
Speaker 1: different way. You can't hit him the way you were
Speaker 1: hitting him. That's what makes him gay. You gotta hit
Speaker 1: him him the Christian way. So remember, like James James
Speaker 1: got a psychology degree in the sixties. In seventy three
Speaker 1: was when they ruled that homosexuality wasn't an elious yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I imagine a psychology degree in the sixties
Speaker 1: was mostly learning how to punch, yeah, And it was
Speaker 1: learning that gays gays a disease and it should be
Speaker 1: stopped right. That was only changed in the seventies just
Speaker 1: so very very recent um, you know, in in comparison,
Speaker 1: at the same time, women got the ability to have
Speaker 1: their own check their own chet books, which is why
Speaker 1: there was a massive divorce spike in the seventies because
Speaker 1: they were had economic control, which is why there was
Speaker 1: a huge divorce spike, which is very funny to me.
Speaker 1: It's sad, but you know, because I don't think that
Speaker 1: the trauma. Actually no, it's it's sad that there was.
Speaker 1: It was sad that you were trapped into the views
Speaker 1: of marriages is sad and then had to you know,
Speaker 1: like get out only when they could allow, you know,
Speaker 1: have an economic life. Very supportive of the fact that
Speaker 1: they very very sad that they were in that position,
Speaker 1: said that it had to happen in the first place. Um,
Speaker 1: so love. When out advocates at homosexuality is quote preventable
Speaker 1: and treatable, most of these offerences talk about prevention and
Speaker 1: the causes of gayness because obviously, despite their claim, there
Speaker 1: actually isn't an effective way to treat being gay, which
Speaker 1: they kind of they kind of know that, but they
Speaker 1: still try to lie about it a little bit. But
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's tricky. Um. The most the most
Speaker 1: effort they made on the treatment side is talking about prayer,
Speaker 1: you know, as one does, uh, mixed in with vaguely
Speaker 1: kind of trying to address underlying childhood traumas that cause gayness. Um.
Speaker 1: So like it's like a mix of like psychotherapy, like
Speaker 1: trying to like, you know, you need to address the
Speaker 1: problems that cause the gayness, then the gainness will go away.
Speaker 1: Also pray a lot, but they really underscore the treatment
Speaker 1: side of things because they know it's all b Yes,
Speaker 1: They're more focused on the pseudoscience of how to prevent
Speaker 1: it from happening because they can make more money off
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's a massive grift, a
Speaker 1: griff that resulted in people getting you know, killed and died.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, um, is is it time for It's a
Speaker 1: time for an at break? Speaking of grifts, you know,
Speaker 1: dioge is grift ng Okay, Sophie, I can't call myself
Speaker 1: a grifter. I can't openly threaten the heads of social
Speaker 1: media companies. I feel like, couldn't openly threaten social heads
Speaker 1: of social media companies. Robert, you're right, you're right, You're right.
Speaker 1: I usually am continue. I was going to make a
Speaker 1: joke where I threatened the head of TikTok, but I
Speaker 1: don't know who it is, so we'll just actually some
Speaker 1: guy in China, some some guy in China, We're coming
Speaker 1: for you. We are back talking about gay conversion therapy. UM.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite things to talk about now because
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of reading on it. Yea, yea.
Speaker 1: And part of the reason why my family escaped the
Speaker 1: cult to escape from Canada, from the cult so that
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have to go to a gay confession therapy
Speaker 1: when I got older, because they thought like me or
Speaker 1: my siblings could be gay. Well, kudos to your parents.
Speaker 1: I'm good and have to go through that. That's uh god,
Speaker 1: damn it. Yeah, what a fucked up planet. Yeah yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: I am not going to think too much about that one, Garrison,
Speaker 1: because it's gonna bought me out too much. Ye as, yea,
Speaker 1: all right. The blame that that loved one out talks
Speaker 1: about for someone struggling homosexuality is split between the parents
Speaker 1: fault and society's fault. They go into a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of like pseudo Freudian bullshit about like a strong dominant
Speaker 1: mother and quite distant fathers or hostile aggressive fathers all
Speaker 1: being causes of this. It's like like which is weird
Speaker 1: because like Dobson often talks about like a dominant mother
Speaker 1: in his life, because you know, remember the thrashing with
Speaker 1: the girdle, yes, that is dominant. It also sounds like
Speaker 1: a kind of yeah, I know, maybe dobs know other
Speaker 1: things going on. I don't know. Um, frankly, it's all
Speaker 1: quite boring, like like Freudian bullshit. They get into for
Speaker 1: lots for most of the causes. Um. A choice quote
Speaker 1: from one of the speakers who spoke at these conferences,
Speaker 1: who who claims to be a reparative therapist, and this
Speaker 1: is them addressing parents, quote, if you don't hug your
Speaker 1: son's then some other man will, which is I think
Speaker 1: it's very funny. Damn it. This is a reparative therapist. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, there should be a German word for like
Speaker 1: thaying I want to laugh at but I know was
Speaker 1: responsible for like more too much human misery for it
Speaker 1: to actually be funny. But it's like I have to
Speaker 1: laugh at this because I got very close to this
Speaker 1: in my life. The speaker also remarks, quote, there's no
Speaker 1: such thing as a homosexual, just misbehaving heterosexuals who can
Speaker 1: reclaim their identity through prayer and therapy. It's like a
Speaker 1: weird a weird stance that love one out takes is
Speaker 1: like there's no gay people being the gay people don't exist.
Speaker 1: One can choose to identify as gay, but that that's
Speaker 1: that you can't be gay. Actually, what you have is
Speaker 1: you experience homosexual thoughts and if you can and if
Speaker 1: you can adjust those thoughts, then you can actually be
Speaker 1: your true self, which is a heterosexual. They get into
Speaker 1: a who bunch of like wow, that makes that makes
Speaker 1: that is impressively nonsense, Like you have to give it
Speaker 1: to them. You couldn't. You couldn't make less sense if
Speaker 1: you tried. Yeah, they get into a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: like dumb psych psych pop kind of stuff. They really
Speaker 1: try to worm their way around a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of this um. At least seven predominant social scientists
Speaker 1: have publicly called out and disowned Focus on the Family
Speaker 1: for deliberately misinterpreting their research to bolster kind of the
Speaker 1: homophobic claims that Focus on the Family makes so like
Speaker 1: they try to appropriate people's like gender research and like
Speaker 1: parenting research, and they use it very badly. And these
Speaker 1: scientists are like, no, that's not what we're saying at all.
Speaker 1: You're very bad at what you're trying to do and
Speaker 1: really harmful. We disown you and stop using our research
Speaker 1: because they're using it very poorly. Yea, that needs to
Speaker 1: be some sort of crime. I don't know, that's not
Speaker 1: freedom of speech. No, because you're trying to make grifts
Speaker 1: and make money off of the endangerment of human beings. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and using like social science as a cover kind of
Speaker 1: slandering the scientists. Yeah in a way. Yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: they're like misappropriating their work in a way that you know,
Speaker 1: they're making money off it, so you you could you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: they got a few things could happen. So when when
Speaker 1: they're not talking about weird Freudian gender identity kind of
Speaker 1: stuff but like to masculine mothers and bad parenting nonsense stuff,
Speaker 1: when then we're not doing that, they're they're discussing the
Speaker 1: other causes of the object and homosexual behavior. The Advancing
Speaker 1: Quote Gay Agenda part of their mission statement reads, uh quote,
Speaker 1: we cannot escape the onslaught of gay prop again that
Speaker 1: seeks to influence our churches, schools, businesses, and neighborhoods. That
Speaker 1: was written to it two us in five. So like
Speaker 1: they were really they were on this gay agenda thing.
Speaker 1: They were, they were on it. They were like the
Speaker 1: first people really nervous. And two has and five about
Speaker 1: the schools and businesses and neighborhoods or this onslaught of
Speaker 1: the gay propaganda advancing. The conference guide states that mainstream
Speaker 1: science's assisting the gay agenda in three main ways normalization
Speaker 1: through desensitization, undermining parental moral authority, and equating homosexuality to heterosexuality.
Speaker 1: So three three main ways the science is helping advance
Speaker 1: the gay agenda does by pushing these things into the society. Okay, yep.
Speaker 1: And the reason why, you know, as all these gay
Speaker 1: people are such a problem kind of besides the whole
Speaker 1: biblical interpretation of homosexuality being a sin, which means even
Speaker 1: some Bible scholars even questioned that um for what was
Speaker 1: actually being written back at the time. A lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of modern Bible scholars believe they're talking about
Speaker 1: gay rape or an older man of using a child.
Speaker 1: That's usually what most scholars look at it now. Um.
Speaker 1: But besides the whole biblical interpretation thing, um, the fact
Speaker 1: that if gayness is so widely accepted as normal, um,
Speaker 1: the reason, the reason why it's reason why it's bad
Speaker 1: is then kids of Christian parents will feel more comfortable
Speaker 1: coming out as gay and will probably be more likely
Speaker 1: to not be Christians um because of the homophobia in
Speaker 1: the church, And of course the evangelic evangelicals don't want that,
Speaker 1: But there's that aspect that also a big, a big
Speaker 1: extential fear for them. It was gay marriage at the
Speaker 1: time that was really the thing that they would have
Speaker 1: and the repercussions that gay marriage would have, like what
Speaker 1: they laid out in the speculative fiction letter from two
Speaker 1: US and eight, the fear that gay marriage and possible
Speaker 1: resulting anti discrimination laws could threaten what they believe to
Speaker 1: be their freedom of speech and freedom of religion. Jobs
Speaker 1: aboute the whole book Marriage under Fire, which we don't
Speaker 1: even have time to get into, but it's it's a whole, whole, big,
Speaker 1: huge book that I was very popular in two thousand
Speaker 1: four and the conference guy that we've been reading from
Speaker 1: has a chapter called addressing the pro gay Agenda in
Speaker 1: your School. In this chapter, there's checklist that's supposed to
Speaker 1: determine the level of homosexual promotion in your school. So like, yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of their fears are like if kids are gay,
Speaker 1: then they're gonna not want to be Christians anymore, which
Speaker 1: isn't great for for profit well technically nonprofit, but you know,
Speaker 1: it's a media empire. It's it's not good for churches
Speaker 1: and Christian kind of publishers if there's less Christians. And
Speaker 1: also you know they are really terrified at gay marriage
Speaker 1: and what's going to happen. Those are kind of the
Speaker 1: two things that are they're really trying to push through
Speaker 1: this conference, and that's what all their fear moongering about
Speaker 1: the gay agenda really is. But these these twelve things
Speaker 1: listed as red flags. So like in this chapter called
Speaker 1: addressing the pro pro gay Agenda in your School, there's
Speaker 1: there's these twelve red flags to look for in your
Speaker 1: own schools, and it's really good. It's it's a really
Speaker 1: fantastic list. Um Number one, A safe School's non harassment policy.
Speaker 1: Save Schools is like a brand that teaches like that
Speaker 1: has like um, they do like they do like discrimination
Speaker 1: training in schools and stuff. So like if if if
Speaker 1: a school has posted a safe a safe schools non
Speaker 1: harassment policy, first red flag, if there's if there's guidelines
Speaker 1: against harassment, first red flag, that the gay agenda is
Speaker 1: being infected into your school. If you can't harass people,
Speaker 1: it is a red flag. Yeah. Number two a homosexual
Speaker 1: student club. I mean that's you know, that's a fair
Speaker 1: red flag coming from the perspective, that makes more it
Speaker 1: makes more sense. Um Number three non discrimination policy based
Speaker 1: on sexual orientation. So again more discrimination stuff being red flags. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you can't discriminate, it's definitely that's a red flag,
Speaker 1: right there. Number four programs to stop homophobia, hate or
Speaker 1: bias just yeah, you wouldn't want to stop home just generally,
Speaker 1: not even just homophobia, but hating bias too. Those are
Speaker 1: it's the liberal gay agenda is getting injected in like
Speaker 1: a vaccine, big problem and like X big problem. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Number five is pro homosexual literature added to the curricula
Speaker 1: and libraries, and a pro family material quote pro family
Speaker 1: material being bypassed or discarded. So I don't really know
Speaker 1: what they mean by that, but I'm sure I'm sure
Speaker 1: it was scary. Numbers Number six aids and sex said
Speaker 1: programs as Yeah, so if they teach you about AIDS
Speaker 1: and sex said, that's a problem. Not even gay sex said,
Speaker 1: just sex said. In general, that's the advancing gay agenda
Speaker 1: in your school. Number seven teachers that are homosexual. Of course,
Speaker 1: that's huge problem. You can't can't have that. UM. Remember
Speaker 1: eight involvement in your school by the by the Gay
Speaker 1: Lesbian Straight Education Network or the Parents and Friends of
Speaker 1: Lesbian Gays, which are two organizations that help for gay rights.
Speaker 1: So if there, if they have any involvement in your
Speaker 1: school or whatever, huge issue. Uh. Number nine celebrating Gay
Speaker 1: Pride Month or National Coming Out Day, Big big problem there.
Speaker 1: That's that's the gay agenda advancing have to be careful UM.
Speaker 1: Exhibits or films on families by homosexuals. So exhibits or
Speaker 1: films about family that are made by homosexual filmmakers, which
Speaker 1: again I don't even know what they're really saying there.
Speaker 1: It's kind of underscertainable. No, it's it's complete. But we
Speaker 1: have two more no red flags UM, students students UM
Speaker 1: and parents with concerns being silenced. So so that's that's
Speaker 1: good UM. And number twelve a teacher in service meanings
Speaker 1: promoting diversity to teach meetings that promote diversity. That's the
Speaker 1: final red flag that if if you see these twelve
Speaker 1: things in your school or even you know a few
Speaker 1: of them. This is this is means the gay agenda
Speaker 1: is advancing. Sound right, Yeah, that sounds like how the
Speaker 1: gay agenda. I was very happy looking through this conference
Speaker 1: manual and looking looking at and I found this page like, yes,
Speaker 1: I have a few paragraphs to right now. It was
Speaker 1: great this and the manuals poorly designed to like this.
Speaker 1: The graphic design is terrible. It's like the worst era
Speaker 1: of two US and five like manual design. It's really
Speaker 1: bad and ugly to look at. It's it's a magnificent
Speaker 1: piece that I glorious. Internet. Are their stock photos of people?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Yeah? Yeah, absolutely absolutely stock
Speaker 1: photos of like people with their families, Like have you
Speaker 1: seen much like Christian Have you seen much Christian like
Speaker 1: propaganda from the era? Oh? Yeah, you know, all the
Speaker 1: same stuff. Um, so okay kind of now. The saddest
Speaker 1: part of this is that parents would often force their
Speaker 1: gay children to attend this convention against their will. Um,
Speaker 1: these kids can be stuck with the choice of either
Speaker 1: going to this anti gay conference or losing the love
Speaker 1: and financial support of their parents. That was really what
Speaker 1: a lot of kids talked about for this conference is
Speaker 1: like I was forced to go or else I would
Speaker 1: be kicked out of the house or I would you know,
Speaker 1: my parents would disown me. And the thing about this,
Speaker 1: this thing is like, this isn't just this isn't just
Speaker 1: like a game of conversion therapy program you go to.
Speaker 1: This is a traveling conference, so it can go to
Speaker 1: your town. You're like, oh no, if it goes to
Speaker 1: my town, I know my parents gonna take me there. Right.
Speaker 1: It's like because like it's like it's like an active threat.
Speaker 1: It's not just like, oh no, I'm not gonna get
Speaker 1: driven to Texas to go to this program that you
Speaker 1: don't know where it's going to come to you into
Speaker 1: your life. Horrible, It's really bad. Um. Yeah. In NPR
Speaker 1: article from two US and seven talks with a sixteen
Speaker 1: year old kid named Brett, um, Brett told NPR quote,
Speaker 1: I did not want to come at all, but I guess,
Speaker 1: you know, I have no choice because my parents, you know,
Speaker 1: control my entire life. Um. His His parents drove three
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty miles from San Diego to Phoenix to
Speaker 1: attend this conference fucking Arizona. Yeah. And and and the
Speaker 1: parents said in hopes that it will quote plant the
Speaker 1: seeds that quote, one day their sun will become straight. So,
Speaker 1: after Brett was forced to listen to idiots, I'm, yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't it's not how it works, but that's what
Speaker 1: they thought. They thought it's how it works. Like they
Speaker 1: even knew, like, oh, even if he's not going to
Speaker 1: get fixed here, at least maybe plant the seeds that
Speaker 1: he'll be able to be not gay later. It's real,
Speaker 1: real sad kind of stuff and like this is not uncommon. Um,
Speaker 1: after Brett was forced to listen to all those speeches
Speaker 1: and testimonials and please from these quote therapists that his
Speaker 1: quoted disorder can be treated, Brett said to MPR, quote,
Speaker 1: don't tell my parents, but no, I know I'm gay,
Speaker 1: and like their stories are really inspiring, but I know
Speaker 1: this is me and I don't really want to change.
Speaker 1: So like again this is from like a Christian kid.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I understand their viewpoints, like even like
Speaker 1: that's sad and in point, but he's like, yeah, I understand,
Speaker 1: it's kind of inspiring, but no, like this is who
Speaker 1: I am. Yeah, I can't not be this. And another
Speaker 1: really sad part is that the MPR article talked to
Speaker 1: Brett's dad and he said, um, he said quote the
Speaker 1: conference taught him that he needs to learn to love
Speaker 1: his son unconditionally. So like this is the kind of
Speaker 1: thing where it gets We'll talk about this more later,
Speaker 1: but like what the conference did is like because like
Speaker 1: these things are very bad, but like one of the
Speaker 1: things that was teaching is like, no, if you have
Speaker 1: gay if you have gay children, you still need to
Speaker 1: like love them as your children, which is like something
Speaker 1: that like these people needed to get taught like this,
Speaker 1: this is what Brett's dad, right, Like Brett's dad learned
Speaker 1: at the convention. I guess I still have to love
Speaker 1: my son. That's the thing that he like took away
Speaker 1: from and talked to NPR about, which is really like me,
Speaker 1: like as bad, like this conference is terrible and abusive,
Speaker 1: but still that's like a net good from it. That's
Speaker 1: what stuff going to this thing that was less fucked
Speaker 1: up than him helped. Yes, yeah, that's really that's just
Speaker 1: I mean this everything it's bad. Tragedy um on Love
Speaker 1: wre notes old website which has been like since deleted.
Speaker 1: Like you know, it's it takes a while to dig
Speaker 1: ford in like the way back machine, but every every
Speaker 1: time you change the page on the website. It has
Speaker 1: a little testimonial from from an attendee, which is a
Speaker 1: great source for terrible and sad quotes. Keep in mind,
Speaker 1: these are quotes that they're putting up on their websites
Speaker 1: to make themselves look good, right, feel like advertisements. Yeah,
Speaker 1: here's um, here's a quote quote. I've been struggling for
Speaker 1: twenty months with the fact that my son tells me
Speaker 1: he is gay. I've gone through all the first three
Speaker 1: stages of grief. I found this conference on the internet.
Speaker 1: We drove from Orange, Texas last night the conference in
Speaker 1: Atlanta to begin on the reconstructive phase of our grief.
Speaker 1: Thank you for giving me hope for a loving relationship
Speaker 1: with my son, which is real bad. Yeah. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: again it's like yeah, like, and I guess from the
Speaker 1: way that's written, I think it sounds like the hope
Speaker 1: that my son will be straight again so I can
Speaker 1: have a loving relationship with them. That's the way that
Speaker 1: I kind of read that as Um, it could also mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I hope that I can still love and
Speaker 1: still have a relationship with my son even though it's gay.
Speaker 1: But I kind of doubt that. If they drove from
Speaker 1: Texas to Georgia. For this, it sounds more like hoping
Speaker 1: my son will be straight one day so then I
Speaker 1: can love him. Yeah, not great. Um from a sixteen
Speaker 1: year old they said, quote gay identified boy, because again,
Speaker 1: you can't be gay, you could identify as gay, you know,
Speaker 1: actually gay, it's that you're dealing with these homosexual feelings,
Speaker 1: so they right from a sixth year old gay dentified
Speaker 1: boy who came because quote my mom dragged me into
Speaker 1: this quote. There were some things that did not agree with,
Speaker 1: but it was all presented with love, which I get
Speaker 1: really sad reading um, which really kind of messes me
Speaker 1: up on a fundamental level. Who as someone who kind
Speaker 1: of discovered they were queer after being in a very
Speaker 1: hateful conservative environment for so long, including with like whole
Speaker 1: bunch of like self hating in my younger teens, that
Speaker 1: really gets me kind of angry reading stuff like that
Speaker 1: because like dealing with realizing things about myself well, having
Speaker 1: such like toxic bad viewpoints. It's not it's not great,
Speaker 1: And yeah, this kind of stuff really makes me upset. Um.
Speaker 1: Here's here's here's one I actually I like reading because
Speaker 1: it's gonna be we can maybe laugh at this one
Speaker 1: and you know, um quote. I was one of the
Speaker 1: police officers that worked at the Loved One Out conference.
Speaker 1: I thought that that's such a sentence right there. God,
Speaker 1: what a sentence. Okay, sorry, I thought the testimonials were awesome.
Speaker 1: I was trying to be a tough guy, but I
Speaker 1: could not keep the tears from running down my face.
Speaker 1: The three other officers who were there with me said
Speaker 1: the same thing. It was a very moving testimony to
Speaker 1: the power of God and how he pursued you. As
Speaker 1: police officers, we're we're often pretty rough on gay lesbian issues,
Speaker 1: mostly making jokes and expressing disgust. The conference made all
Speaker 1: four of us more sensitive to homosexuals. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: everything about that is as bad as it could be.
Speaker 1: Like the fact that this conference again helped people who
Speaker 1: were even more bigger than the conference be slightly maybe
Speaker 1: less big or at least less dangerously bigger than like,
Speaker 1: is still incredibly fucked up. It's that's so bad. As
Speaker 1: police officer who's assigned as security, It's like I used
Speaker 1: to joke about gay people killing themselves, and now I
Speaker 1: think that's wrong. They should just be forcibly converted. I've
Speaker 1: improved as police officers were pretty tough on gay let's
Speaker 1: be in issues, making jokes and expressing disgust like what
Speaker 1: a great club as police officers like, of course all
Speaker 1: cops do this. Oh buddy, Uh, someone should have gone
Speaker 1: to his That shouldn't be You shouldn't get to be
Speaker 1: a cop and say that. And they advertised it on
Speaker 1: their website. Is a good thing. He was proud of that.
Speaker 1: He was willing to be like like all cops, I
Speaker 1: used to habitually make fun of homosexuals, but now I don't.
Speaker 1: Last last person will hear about who attended? Is from
Speaker 1: an article in the in the Denver Post. In fight UM,
Speaker 1: Christina Blake, thirty six year old Denver artists moved moved
Speaker 1: to Colorado ten years ago, so in UM for the States,
Speaker 1: she moved to Colorado for the state's X gay programs
Speaker 1: UM and underwent more than four years and two of them.
Speaker 1: She also underwent psychological counseling, so she moved to Colorado.
Speaker 1: This is where focusing on the families based a lot
Speaker 1: of like in person stuff there like all the time
Speaker 1: as well, these as well as these traveling conferences Jesus
Speaker 1: and she tended to like multiple programs, not just focus
Speaker 1: on the families, um. Quote. I threw my whole heart
Speaker 1: and soul and life into changing. There was a period
Speaker 1: of time where I actually believe that I was changing,
Speaker 1: but then there would be reminders, Oh no, still gay. Um.
Speaker 1: The whole time she suppressed her sexuality, her creativity disappeared,
Speaker 1: she gave up on transforming herself into her headterseexual. She said,
Speaker 1: after serving many gay people leaving leading healthy, happy, vibrant lives. Quote,
Speaker 1: I still had to deal with a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of feelings of shame, brokenness, and the failure that
Speaker 1: I had internalized from from the ES gay programs, um,
Speaker 1: Christina said. And the article ends by saying she no
Speaker 1: longer considers us consider herself herself a Christian, but like,
Speaker 1: you know, a person who was like lived in these
Speaker 1: programs for ten years trying desperately to change yourself because
Speaker 1: you think that's the only way to connect with God
Speaker 1: and just you know, it doesn't work. And it left
Speaker 1: a lot of people dead, a lot of people killed themselves.
Speaker 1: Well we'll talk more about that at the end. For
Speaker 1: the kind of the stats on all those sad things, UM,
Speaker 1: I think I think would be a little bit good
Speaker 1: to learn about the guy who kind of ran a
Speaker 1: whole operation, because this is actually very important UM, so
Speaker 1: love one out as the program was funded by someone
Speaker 1: named John pulk Um. John's story is not unique in
Speaker 1: anyway from the people that run these types of operations.
Speaker 1: According to John, he came out as gay when he
Speaker 1: was eight team. This was in UM. He came out
Speaker 1: to an accept to an accepting family. He was he was,
Speaker 1: you know, he was. He was fine at the time. UM.
Speaker 1: In his mid twenties he found himself becoming despondent and
Speaker 1: even the suicidal um in college. He at the time
Speaker 1: he attributed his unhappiness to homosexuality. Many years later he
Speaker 1: would say it was actually because he was tremendously insecure
Speaker 1: and lonely. Around the same time, a university campus pastor
Speaker 1: introduced John to Christianity. So it's like in his mid
Speaker 1: twenties he first kind of got introduced to Christianity when
Speaker 1: he was severely depressed in suicidal. So, trying to reconcile
Speaker 1: his depression, gayness and new potential path for with Christianity,
Speaker 1: John signed up for a year long residential conversion therapy program,
Speaker 1: which that means is you live in this It's it's
Speaker 1: like it's like a you'd like live in this spot.
Speaker 1: They have like houses and dorms and you live in
Speaker 1: this program. Sounds like it's real. It's real bad. A
Speaker 1: lot of people died there. Yeah, So he signed up
Speaker 1: for this year long program. Eventually he he he's stay
Speaker 1: there for more than actually year. He eventually got a job.
Speaker 1: They're working at the same conversion therapy business that that
Speaker 1: he attended. Him and a quote former lesbian that he
Speaker 1: met at the program got married. UM. They wrote a
Speaker 1: book together. In the nineties, John got put in charge
Speaker 1: to focus on the Famili's quote homosexuality and gender division,
Speaker 1: the whole division dedicated Yeah you gotta you gotta have
Speaker 1: a division UM. In ninety eight, he founded and lad
Speaker 1: Loved One Out under focus on the family UM. In
Speaker 1: two thousand, while on a speaking tour in Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: Unclear if this was for a Loved One Out conference
Speaker 1: or was just if it was just another speaking arrangement uh,
Speaker 1: John was seen and photographed sitting in a predominant popular
Speaker 1: gay bar by a known gay activist. When approached, John
Speaker 1: said his name was John Clint, which is his name
Speaker 1: is John Polk. But this guy calling himself John Clint
Speaker 1: said said he was gay. Um. After news of this
Speaker 1: spread around, John told the media that he was just
Speaker 1: there because he was walking around and needed the place
Speaker 1: to goose the bathroom him. And he said he didn't
Speaker 1: know it was a gay bar until until you went in. However,
Speaker 1: are the people there, um, you know saw him for
Speaker 1: like an hour talking intimately with other men. It was
Speaker 1: kind of a quote, people said. Um. John later admitted
Speaker 1: to knowing it was a gay bar and has said yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it said quote, at a low point in my life,
Speaker 1: I went back to a place where I felt comfortable. Um.
Speaker 1: No matter what his intentions were, he was um. No
Speaker 1: matter if he was actually going in knowingly to get
Speaker 1: sex or whatever, or if he was just lonely and
Speaker 1: kind of actually said and needed up like a familiar
Speaker 1: place whatever, um he whatever it was. He was forced
Speaker 1: to resign as a board chairman at the Conversion at
Speaker 1: the conversion therapy place that he attended. UM, but he
Speaker 1: still continued to work and focus on the family and
Speaker 1: lad Love one out until two US and three. Two
Speaker 1: US and three, he suddenly quit his job at Focus
Speaker 1: and dropped out of the spotlight of becoming like a
Speaker 1: very famous x G speaker. UM John and his family
Speaker 1: moved to Portland, Oregon. Oh, Um John went to town.
Speaker 1: This is this is Yeah, you don't know. We get
Speaker 1: tear gas. This is the time we get t guests. John,
Speaker 1: maybe getting tear guests too. Actually, m Um John went.
Speaker 1: John went to culinary school and became a chef, soon
Speaker 1: opening up a successful catering business. UM of his time
Speaker 1: in Portland, John wrote, on the outside, it was a
Speaker 1: happy life, but inside I was torn. I deeply loved
Speaker 1: my wife, An who still believed in like the XTA movement,
Speaker 1: but I knew it would be extremely scandalous to embrace
Speaker 1: some sexuality after the career I've had. It was, but
Speaker 1: it was more and more apparent to me that it
Speaker 1: was what I had always been. I was. I was gay. Um,
Speaker 1: the older I got, the lonelier I was becoming. In
Speaker 1: two In two thousand and eleven, I was driving down
Speaker 1: a suburban street and I saw two men holding hands.
Speaker 1: I burst into tears, realizing that I wanted to be
Speaker 1: one of those men. So John got out of focus
Speaker 1: in the family because he realized he couldn't keep doing
Speaker 1: this work anymore, but he still was married to his
Speaker 1: wife for like a decade afterwards. Um, you know, just
Speaker 1: kind of slowly disengaging, because like, after you're in this
Speaker 1: for so long, you can't just pop out very easily.
Speaker 1: You have. It's it's kind of it can be a
Speaker 1: slow for some people. Yeah, it's deep programming yourself. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: John describes his time where I can't focus on the
Speaker 1: family like this. I was an utter torment. I struggled
Speaker 1: on and off with addiction and wanted to take my life.
Speaker 1: I wanted to believe I wasn't gay so badly that
Speaker 1: not only did I lie to other people, but I
Speaker 1: primarily lied to myself. I wanted my homosexuality to change.
Speaker 1: But the truth is, for all the public rhetoric, I
Speaker 1: was not one bit less gay behind closed doors, behind
Speaker 1: many of us in the X gay leadership and focus
Speaker 1: on the family, but even admitness to each other. Um,
Speaker 1: we had this conversation many times. Quote, we know our
Speaker 1: orientation hasn't really changed. What has changed our behavior, our
Speaker 1: way of life, how we see ourselves, Our sexuality has
Speaker 1: not changed. More and more, when I had to go
Speaker 1: when I had to go up and speak to crowds
Speaker 1: of people about my gay conversion. I felt like a
Speaker 1: wind up toy. I'd go back to my hotel room,
Speaker 1: fall in the bed and start weeping. Yeah, which is
Speaker 1: isn't That isn't uncommon for a lot of these people
Speaker 1: who are gay that ran these programs. A lot of
Speaker 1: them have since come out and said, no, this is
Speaker 1: all bullshit. I'm so sorry for causing the deaths of
Speaker 1: so many people. I am kay, and I want to
Speaker 1: kind of live a quiet life now. I'm really sorry
Speaker 1: for what I have done, but I don't know how
Speaker 1: to deal with like the trauma of like not only me,
Speaker 1: but also the trauma I've caused. Like it doesn't sound
Speaker 1: like a great environment. And then there's a lot of
Speaker 1: brainwashing going on and cult like stuff, so like it's
Speaker 1: it's hard to really I'm not sure what consequences for
Speaker 1: the actions should be. Besides if people should just like
Speaker 1: be able to live alone for the rest of their
Speaker 1: like like live by themselves and try to find happiness.
Speaker 1: I I don't know. It's it's tough. Um into us
Speaker 1: and thirteen John made a public apology for all the
Speaker 1: harm him and the x gay movement. He was a
Speaker 1: part of caused, saying quote, I do not believe in
Speaker 1: reparative therapy. I don't believe it changes sexual orientation. In fact,
Speaker 1: it does great harm too many people. I know that
Speaker 1: countless people were harmed by things I said and did
Speaker 1: in the past. Parents, families, and their loved ones were
Speaker 1: all negatively impacted by the notion of reparative therapy and
Speaker 1: the message of change. I'm truly, truly sorry for the
Speaker 1: pain I have caused. Now, I don't want to focus
Speaker 1: on John Pauk too much because he isn't the primary
Speaker 1: He isn't the primary victim here. The primary victim are
Speaker 1: victims are like the teens and adults that killed themselves
Speaker 1: as a result of the rhetoric John and people like him,
Speaker 1: you know, spread. But I also know that like John
Speaker 1: knows that he he knows that as well. Um, And
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's awful to live with. And I kind
Speaker 1: of do wish him the best. He's living as a
Speaker 1: gay person. I don't think he's Christian anymore, just living
Speaker 1: in Portland running a very successful caring business. I kind
Speaker 1: of wish him well, but I don't want to focus
Speaker 1: on him too much do to financial restraints work coming
Speaker 1: to the end here thankfully, because I'm I'm kind of
Speaker 1: done with all of this. UM do to financial illustraints
Speaker 1: and to US and eleven and to US and nine,
Speaker 1: Focus on the Family sold Love one out to Exodus International,
Speaker 1: of a huge conversion therapy umbrella organization that that had
Speaker 1: worked with Focus in the Family in the past. Later
Speaker 1: on in Exodus totally shut down UM ending Ending Love
Speaker 1: went out as well, stating that conversion therapy does not
Speaker 1: work and apologize for the pain they've caused. And this
Speaker 1: was like the place which was this was like a
Speaker 1: massive conglomerate of gay conversion therapy programs, Like this is
Speaker 1: actually huge news when the shutdown like this was massive. UM,
Speaker 1: Like I know, I know people that have been sent
Speaker 1: to Exodus International pros Christ Exodus to like what a
Speaker 1: what a yeah, what a nightmare? All of that news is.
Speaker 1: It's bad. It's all terrible. UM. Also in two US
Speaker 1: and nine, John, you know, James Dobson left Focus on
Speaker 1: the Family amid philosophical conflicts with his successor, Jim Daily. UM.
Speaker 1: Focus on the Family has under since UM went down
Speaker 1: a hiss. Underson has gone down to downsizing and has
Speaker 1: dialed back its political activism mainly kind of focusing on
Speaker 1: their media division. Now UM it's year it's yearly operating
Speaker 1: budget still hovers around ninety million dollars, So like they're
Speaker 1: still they're still very active. UM, They're just not like
Speaker 1: the massive political force they were in the nineties where
Speaker 1: they had like a hundred and fifty million dollars. But
Speaker 1: like still they're they're still they're there's still there's still
Speaker 1: a notable organization. UM. Despite Dobson being gone and Love
Speaker 1: went out defunct. Uh, not much has changed on the
Speaker 1: rhetoric focus in the family spreads regarding homosexuality. They currently
Speaker 1: have like over thirty live articles that I could find
Speaker 1: through scrolling in like ten minutes about the prevention slash
Speaker 1: treatment of homosexuality UM, with many other articles about adjacent
Speaker 1: gay issues and stuff, plus selling countless books on the
Speaker 1: subject on their website. UM. One article opens up with
Speaker 1: the imagined question prompt saying, uh, what can we say
Speaker 1: to our teenage son who who just told us he's gay?
Speaker 1: I'm devastated one but I'm so angry I could scream
Speaker 1: the next I could just sit and cry. We love
Speaker 1: our son, we don't want this influence in our home,
Speaker 1: so that that's how they start an article. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: articles offer helpful advice um for interacting with friends and
Speaker 1: family members that quote identify as gay and such. Such
Speaker 1: helpful advice that they list is a see a person
Speaker 1: not not a homosexual. Just this is just like the
Speaker 1: sheer notion that they need to like establish that people
Speaker 1: are still humans like theirs. The fact they need to
Speaker 1: say that really shows what their audiences and and what
Speaker 1: they're actually doing. Ye. Well that I hate yea. Um,
Speaker 1: although I'm pretty sure that the understanding, um uh, that
Speaker 1: this is now a failing cultural battle, right like they
Speaker 1: understand that this is now kind of a losing battle, um,
Speaker 1: because they've turned their attention most more recently towards transgenderism
Speaker 1: as a new thing that's going to destroy America. Okay,
Speaker 1: because it makes sense because they're too accepted, and it
Speaker 1: didn't destroy America. We have a gay marriage and everything
Speaker 1: is still be the same, all right now. I will
Speaker 1: say America has been kind of destroyed. But I don't
Speaker 1: play game marriage. I don't play gay marriage or the
Speaker 1: or the four left Supreme Court. I do blame the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court for some but not not the six to
Speaker 1: three far left leftist communist. Yeah, they didn't do that. Yep.
Speaker 1: Uh uh. Mostly I blame not Drudge, the Drudge Report,
Speaker 1: I bring. I blame Matt Drudge, that Drudge I know,
Speaker 1: Glenn Beck was very popular at the time. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: they all got popular. All of these guys that we're
Speaker 1: dealing with now, like including Alex Jones, got their their
Speaker 1: first initial like really big national exposure thanks to Um
Speaker 1: to Matt Drudge, who now was kind of anti Trump. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been a weird journey from Matt Um. I mean
Speaker 1: he's still I think, pretty conservative, but he just doesn't
Speaker 1: like Trump. But he was like he was, he was
Speaker 1: the We'll talk about Matt Dredge someday maybe. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: they're selling lots of books written in the past five
Speaker 1: years about transgenders, and on their website there's there's countless
Speaker 1: articles um, whereas the articles about home sexuality have taken
Speaker 1: like a dip, and I think they're not they're not
Speaker 1: writing as many new ones. They're mainly focusing on transgender stuff.
Speaker 1: If you didn't grow up in the evangelical Christian scene
Speaker 1: in the eighties, nineties or two thousand's, the first time
Speaker 1: you may have heard of Focus in the Family is
Speaker 1: probably from John oliver segment on when he on his
Speaker 1: segment about Mike Pence because into Us in seventeen, Mike
Speaker 1: Pence spoke at Focus on the Families anniversary. He did, Yeah,
Speaker 1: fences of Pences called Dobson a close personal friends. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Then the Pence said these words about Focused on the
Speaker 1: Family the organization quote. The truth is that Focused on
Speaker 1: the Family has been a force in American families, a
Speaker 1: force for good for the past forty years. Millions of
Speaker 1: families and families like mine are indebted to your work.
Speaker 1: And let me assure you, there's one other family that's
Speaker 1: truly grateful for your work and for this great ministry.
Speaker 1: And I promise you Focused the Family. You have an
Speaker 1: unwavering ally in President Donald Trump. Of course he does. Yep, real,
Speaker 1: real good. During this episode of Last Week Tonight, John
Speaker 1: Oliver talked about Pence speaking and Focus on the Famili's
Speaker 1: fourth anniversary event and highlighted both Pences and Focused on
Speaker 1: the Families history promoting gay conversion therapy, which has Pence
Speaker 1: did too. He ran on that platform in the nineties. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: which is why it really can learning about him for
Speaker 1: gay issues even even more than Trump. I that's my thing. If, like,
Speaker 1: if Trump every gotten Peach and Pence was put in,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of more scared of him for queer stuff,
Speaker 1: because Pence is legitimately terrifying on like the on the like,
Speaker 1: on the religious front, Mike Pence is It's like my
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is the guy who I think is capable
Speaker 1: of wooing Americans into authoritarianism, but he's not a competent authoritarian.
Speaker 1: Mike Pence I don't think is capable of wooing, but
Speaker 1: he would be a competent authoritarian because Pence is called Dobson,
Speaker 1: like his greatest mentor and close friends, those kind of
Speaker 1: stuff that's very scary, Like Dobson helped him get elected initially.
Speaker 1: There's a strong case to be made that the most
Speaker 1: frightening thing about Trump is not Trump himself or even
Speaker 1: his MAGA people, but the degree to which he has
Speaker 1: empowered the dominionist Christian move Yeah, absolutely, which is which
Speaker 1: Dobson was a huge part of pioneering. So because of
Speaker 1: John Oliver segment Um, this prompted a response from the
Speaker 1: head of Focus on the Family of the Now had
Speaker 1: Who's Jim Daily quote the satirical late night talk show
Speaker 1: hosts secreed was not just vicious in tone, but also
Speaker 1: vulgar and vile in every sense of the word and way.
Speaker 1: So that was the response Focus on the Family had
Speaker 1: to John Oliver's segment about them, which I think was great. Um.
Speaker 1: But then also in the same statement further confirming the
Speaker 1: organization's continue to support a conversion therapy in a press
Speaker 1: statement saying quote, we support the counseling and availability of
Speaker 1: professional therapy options for unwanted homosexual attractions or behavior. So
Speaker 1: that's what they said to press statement in response to
Speaker 1: the last Last Week Tonight episode of Yeah. In the
Speaker 1: last between the episode, John Oliver unveiled a new book
Speaker 1: his team had written about the Vice President's bunny Martlin
Speaker 1: Bundo Um, who of course is actually gay. Um. With
Speaker 1: all the profits going to the charities of AIDS United
Speaker 1: and the Trevor Project. The book sold more than uh
Speaker 1: told about two copies in the first two days, massively successful,
Speaker 1: A lot of money was donated. It was really good.
Speaker 1: The Trevor Project does a fantastic work. Um. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was was a very good thing that John Oliver and
Speaker 1: his team did there. At the time of this episode's
Speaker 1: publication of twenty states currently banned conversion therapy for miners,
Speaker 1: including Colorado, which was a very recently in the past.
Speaker 1: In the past, I think a year Colorado bandit for
Speaker 1: for miners, and that that's where focused on the family
Speaker 1: is based. Around twenty of US LGBT youth who have
Speaker 1: been to conversion therapy have has attempted suicide within the
Speaker 1: past year, so like in the past twelve months, that's
Speaker 1: that's happened, compared to twelve percent of of LGBT youth
Speaker 1: who had not gone through conversion therapy, So it more
Speaker 1: than doubles your chances of committing suicide if you attend
Speaker 1: l g FVVU ten conversion therapy as as a queer
Speaker 1: person or as a as a queer youth specifically, it's
Speaker 1: morally identical to just firing a gun and do a
Speaker 1: crowd of children. According to the San Francisco State University
Speaker 1: um UH, because according to their their their study on
Speaker 1: conversion therapy and and used to a queer youth um
Speaker 1: LGBT youth that goes through conversion therapy can be eight
Speaker 1: point four times more likely to report of having attempted suicide.
Speaker 1: God Good God. Yeah, that's uh. That is five almost
Speaker 1: six times more likely to report higher levels of depression, uh,
Speaker 1: three and a half times more likely to report the
Speaker 1: use of like illegal drugs for coping, and three and
Speaker 1: a half times more likely, uh more likely to have
Speaker 1: HIV and STDs for you know, all of those. It
Speaker 1: just sounds to me, Garrison, like you're saying, all of
Speaker 1: these are all the benefits of God's love. And yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all I've written because that's all that's all I
Speaker 1: could write before I started breaking down. Yeah, becoming unhealthy
Speaker 1: out of mental Well yeah, well, enjoy this fun episode
Speaker 1: everybody that Garrison wrote for you. It is he had
Speaker 1: his chance to make a behind the Bastards episode and
Speaker 1: he made it. Made me very sad. Um And normally
Speaker 1: I make people sad while laughing manically because I've had
Speaker 1: to deal with the depressing thing. And now I'm just
Speaker 1: sad and Garrison's laughing. Yeah, and I understand the harm
Speaker 1: that I've brought to the word now that I'm not
Speaker 1: going to stop. Yeah, no, more of this, more of
Speaker 1: this anyway. Um, Yeah, that's the episode. You're plugable, Actually
Speaker 1: do not. First, I'm gonna I'm gonna plug the Trevor Project.
Speaker 1: They do very good work on assistant queer used in
Speaker 1: times of crisis. Um. Also, if you're in Britain, the
Speaker 1: Mermaids Foundation is great for trans issues. I know there's
Speaker 1: a few new trans hotlines in the States that I
Speaker 1: need to I need to learn their numbers for them
Speaker 1: because they're they're relatively new. Yeah, the Trevor Project is great.
Speaker 1: Mermaids in the UK is great. Um, a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of stuff that you can, you know, help for. There's
Speaker 1: oftentimes you'll see legislation going around to help ban conversion
Speaker 1: therapy for minors. UM in your state, get involved with that.
Speaker 1: It's one of the few things where legislation actually is possible.
Speaker 1: I know there's a whole you know about voting or
Speaker 1: not voting. If you're you should vote for that if
Speaker 1: you see it happening, vote for that because it can
Speaker 1: save a lot of kids lives. Yeah, that's the episode
Speaker 1: real fun. Where can people follow you if you want
Speaker 1: to see me talk about crowd boys and the FEDS
Speaker 1: and to your gas And I'm on Twitter on Twitter
Speaker 1: several days ago tomorrow. I have an Instagram account, but
Speaker 1: I've never used it. It's very it's completely blank. See
Speaker 1: I told you only the youths have Instagrams and they
Speaker 1: don't like to use them on Instagram, it's it's Nuckerberg.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to go on that. The
Speaker 1: only social media apps or Twitter and the TikTok TikTok,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't have TikTok. Guys, it sounds like
Speaker 1: it's a healthier social media platform than any of a
Speaker 1: lot of great queer youth expressing themselves in healthy ways. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank god, we're banning it all. Alright, the episode is done.
Speaker 1: M