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Speaker 1: Hello, audience. I'm not the audience. I'm the person who

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Speaker 1: makes things for the audience. Robert Evans. This is my

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Speaker 1: podcast Behind the Bastards, only this week. It's not because

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Speaker 1: this is part two of Garrison's armed coup against you know,

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Speaker 1: to usurp all of my powers. So um, once again,

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Speaker 1: who if you just say you don't know, somebody take over?

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Speaker 1: There's guns near him. Um, I'm Robert Evans. He brought

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Speaker 1: up Baton just wants eighteen because that statement was very sketchy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's he's eighteen. It's fine. This is Behind the Bastards.

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Speaker 1: We talk about bad people, and this is part two

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Speaker 1: of the episode that Garrison wrote, which is the first

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Speaker 1: reversing of the status quo we've had on this show. Garrison,

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Speaker 1: what do we? What do we? What do we? What

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Speaker 1: talk about gay conversion therapy. Uh yeah, a nice little light,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, last week we're talking about folks in the family.

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Speaker 1: How it started, You know, Dobson getting very politically active

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Speaker 1: And then we learned about his media empire. And remember

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Speaker 1: That's the only reason I know you is your incredible

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Speaker 1: Dobson actually stepped down as acting president and the chief

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Speaker 1: Many Christians voted for Obama. Younger evangelicals actually provided him

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Speaker 1: October surprise? Yeah, Robert, did you know what? Won't release

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Speaker 1: the Seven Sins of Hell. I don't accept anyone to

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Speaker 1: advertise on this show unless I think there's a decent

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Speaker 1: chance they're the anti Christ? Do do you know who

432
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Speaker 1: will open the Seven Seals? Possibly, possibly, possible, allegedly allegedly

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Speaker 1: are some potentially some of these products and services onto

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Speaker 1: the show? What? Yeah? Yeah, products? Hi, we're back when

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Speaker 1: porn what Garrison, don't say porn apparently eighteen apparent everywhere everywhere.

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Speaker 1: This is not on me, This is no, this is Dobson. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is on James Dobson. Porn is everywhere. Now back

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Speaker 1: back back to the letter. Porn everywhere, huge problem in

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Speaker 1: America now, gas stations, grocery stores, news stands, all places

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Speaker 1: that kids can easily find. Porn magazines everywhere. If kids

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Speaker 1: could easily find porn, So like this is another thing

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Speaker 1: where Dobson was like right, but in the wrong way,

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Speaker 1: Like like he was imagining porn magazines on all these

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Speaker 1: grocery stores stands. This is this letter. I guess the

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Speaker 1: letter was written by Dobson eight from a Christian in right,

446
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Speaker 1: so it was it was written into into us and

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Speaker 1: eight in from the perspective of someone into twos and twelve. Um.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, he says, another big problem and now is

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Speaker 1: that porns everywhere because of because of new rulings under

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Speaker 1: the First Amendment. Is that now that porn can be

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Speaker 1: displayed in any anywhere, gas stations, grocery stores, news stands,

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Speaker 1: all places where kids can now find porn because of

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Speaker 1: the First Amendment. I mean, the funny thing about that

454
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: is that because of smartphones and access to stuff like that,

455
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Speaker 1: kids have more access to pornography than they ever have.

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Speaker 1: And your generation also has less sex than previous generations.

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Speaker 1: And we're kind of the generation that understands concepts of

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Speaker 1: consent kind of more than any other generation. The opposite

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Speaker 1: thing happened. Yeah, Like, you be fine when you provide

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Speaker 1: some information, even if it's bad. The kids will still

461
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Speaker 1: look up other information and then some of that will

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Speaker 1: be eventually good if they go to actually medical sites. Yeah,

463
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Speaker 1: and then it seems broadly speaking like we're fine, well

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Speaker 1: on that anyway, UM, besides on something less fun than porn. Um.

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Speaker 1: By by two thousand twelve, it's illegal for citizens to

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Speaker 1: own guns in eight states. The letter writes, quote inner

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Speaker 1: city violent crime has increased dramatically due to people not

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Speaker 1: allowed to have guns in eight states. Um in uh

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Speaker 1: into US in ten. Yeah, I'm not just gonna move

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Speaker 1: on like that's all he really writes about. It is

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Speaker 1: you can't have guns in some states. I think Organs

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Speaker 1: listed as one of the states he speculates doesn't have

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Speaker 1: guns anymore. A very good writer's not He's not. Um

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Speaker 1: And according to um Dobson in two US in ten,

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Speaker 1: Obama will begin drawing troops from Iraq. Then later on

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Speaker 1: Al Qaeda operatives from Syria and Iran poured in and

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Speaker 1: overtook the Iraqi security forces. Further in bolding the terrorists,

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Speaker 1: Obama caused UM. Obama ceased the mass wire tap ring

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Speaker 1: of all alleged terrorists in the United States unless a

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Speaker 1: warrant was first obtained. So that's that really emboldened the

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Speaker 1: terrorist is that now you can't they can't. The government

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Speaker 1: can'ts wire tap any phone they want in the States. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that definitely never happened in Portland over the summer, because

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Speaker 1: they certainly did not wire tap a bunch of activists

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Speaker 1: phones for the crimes of modest to mine or property damage.

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Speaker 1: Since two nine, there's been four terrorist bomba attacks in

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Speaker 1: the United States. No rest has been made. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: I do remember that when the entire national security establishment said, well,

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Speaker 1: what have we just stopped giving a ship about Islamic terrorism? Quote?

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Speaker 1: President Obama has moved to deep in US ties in

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Speaker 1: US trade with communist regimes in Cuba, Venezuela, and Bolivia,

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Speaker 1: regimes that have long enjoyed the favor of far left

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Speaker 1: factions in the Democratic Party. I don't even know what

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Speaker 1: he's trying to say. They're neither. Uh, it's it's it's

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Speaker 1: a fantasy novel. I Ran dropped a nuclear bomb on

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Speaker 1: an Israeli city, remember that, demanding Israel give huge amount

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Speaker 1: quote huge amounts of land back to Palestines. First off,

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Speaker 1: Israel doesn't even have huge amounts of land like that

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Speaker 1: to say they didn't take a lot of Palestines land,

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Speaker 1: but the whole area is like the size of Jersey. Yes, um.

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Speaker 1: Obama said he abhorred what Iran did in dropping a

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Speaker 1: nuclear bomb Um. But he hoped that the U S

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Speaker 1: would be part of an international peacekeeping force sanctioned by

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Speaker 1: the u N. But the Muslim nations in the in

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Speaker 1: the u N have so far prevented any action. That's

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Speaker 1: that's a quote from Dobson. The Muslim nations in the

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Speaker 1: UN have prevented any action from from the UN assisting

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Speaker 1: in peacekeeping. Yeah, that's yeah, that's why Obama didn't didn't

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Speaker 1: take any actions in any foreign Muslim dominated countries um

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Speaker 1: at at any point uh in his administration. That's why

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Speaker 1: there were no military actions taken against Muslims at all

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Speaker 1: by the Obama administration. You know more about this kind

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Speaker 1: of stuff than I do. Were like if Obama, you know,

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Speaker 1: in two US and ten withdrew withdrawal troops from Iraq.

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Speaker 1: This jobs talks about al Qaeda operatives and Syrian Iran

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Speaker 1: pouring in and overtaking the Iraqi security forces. How how

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Speaker 1: likely that what would that have been from al Qaeda

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Speaker 1: in overtaking Iraqi security forces? I mean it's ironic because

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Speaker 1: we we pulled out and I think eleven shortly later, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: by the at the demand of the Iraqi government and

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Speaker 1: a large chunk of the country did get overtaken largely

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Speaker 1: by Iraqis who were other angry and extremists. Uh, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, it's very like it's funny because they

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Speaker 1: got aspects of that right, but in the wrong way,

525
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Speaker 1: like Iran are the deadly enemies of isis um who

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Speaker 1: who despised them because they're they're shia um. And you

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Speaker 1: did have a lot of iraq get taken over, but

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Speaker 1: most of the paramilitaries doing it were either foreign fighters

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Speaker 1: or other Iraqis. And the leadership CADRA that was in

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Speaker 1: charge of the whole thing, We're all a bunch of

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Speaker 1: people who had met because the United States, enter George Bush,

532
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Speaker 1: threw them together in the same prison camp, which was

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Speaker 1: basically a big college for terrorists, Camp BUCA. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's that's pretty funny. I I would I would say,

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Speaker 1: good good. I'm glad someone was able to talk about that,

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Speaker 1: who knew more that than I did. We we we now

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Speaker 1: pivot to healthcare in in the letter, So I'm just

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Speaker 1: gonna read off this great quote quote. The new Congress

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Speaker 1: under President Obama passed a nationalized quote single payer health

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Speaker 1: care system in which the US government is the provider

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Speaker 1: of health care in the United States, following the pattern

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Speaker 1: of nationalized medicine in the United Kingdom and Canada. The

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Speaker 1: great benefits So yeah, so for sounds great to me.

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Speaker 1: I wish that had happened as someone who lived in

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Speaker 1: Canada and got free health care for years, was it

546
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: was pretty good. Yeah, but I bet they forced you

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Speaker 1: not to have I bet you weren't allowed to have

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Speaker 1: kids anymore because you're Christian. Oh yeah, and that was

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Speaker 1: the one that was they stopped from It was unfortunate.

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Speaker 1: So continue the quote, Um, the great benefit is that

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Speaker 1: the medical care is now free for everyone. But here

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Speaker 1: it is if you can get it. Now that health

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Speaker 1: Now that health care is free, it seems everyone wants

554
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Speaker 1: more of it the wing. The waiting list for prostate

555
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: cancer surgery is three years. The waiting list for overarian

556
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: cancer is two years, just as the Canadian experience has

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Speaker 1: shown prior to two thousand and eight with its own

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Speaker 1: nationalized healthcare. So in the US only a small number

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Speaker 1: of m rs are performed, down from two thousand and eight,

560
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Speaker 1: which isn't isn't true for how the Canadian health there's

561
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: a whole section of our right wing lies about how

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Speaker 1: the Canadian healthcare system works, which is very frustrating. That

563
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Speaker 1: are important to know is that y'all live longer and

564
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Speaker 1: you have lower rates of physician related death. Yeah, and

565
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: like prostate cancer surgery isn't three years waiting time like

566
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Speaker 1: they just they come up with these ridiculous lies of

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Speaker 1: the Canadian healthcare system that I know is untrue because

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Speaker 1: I have a grandma who relies on it to keep living,

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Speaker 1: so I understand what the wait times are and how

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Speaker 1: they operate, and the way American right wing conservative media

571
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: talks about it, it it is very frustrating. Yeah, it's it's

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00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: it's infuriating. Um. Yeah. And uh. Also about about m

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Speaker 1: rs because they are so expensive and they discover more

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Speaker 1: problems that need treatment, they're almost never authorized, which is

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Speaker 1: how like it's a weird thought process, like thinking about

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00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: them because they're too expensive, Like, no, they're expensive now

577
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: because of the way our because of how the insurance

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00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: scam works. One of the people I love most in

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Speaker 1: the world had to get an m R I last

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Speaker 1: year and delayed it by months and almost didn't get

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Speaker 1: it because it cost even with health insurance, cost her

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Speaker 1: like a couple of thousand dollars. Meanwhile, my German friends

583
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: go to the doctor if they just feel like something

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00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: might be wrong. Maybe I'll just go get it checked.

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Speaker 1: But I have a tummy ache, had to go to

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Speaker 1: the doc. Yeah, like the ridiculous nature. Like Dobson doesn't

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Speaker 1: understand this at all, because like he's he still thinks

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Speaker 1: that like mrs will be expensive under nationalized medicine, which

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Speaker 1: you know, like the point of changing to a nationalized

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Speaker 1: healthcare system is that no, it won't. It will be

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Speaker 1: very cheap because the only reason it's expensive now is

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Speaker 1: because of the insurance scam. You know, Adam Conover did

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Speaker 1: a really good episode on his television show dealing with

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Speaker 1: this exact problem for how like this like whole price

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Speaker 1: scam works and hospitals. Yeah, it's it's infuriating, very frustrating. Um.

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Speaker 1: The letter then fearmongers about some boring tex stuff that

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Speaker 1: I don't care about. I don't care about Dobson's tax nightmares.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna skip over because it's just him being

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Speaker 1: scared of taxes whatever. Again, this this guy was on

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Speaker 1: the tax advisory panel under Reagan, which he shouldn't have been,

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Speaker 1: but he was. So I'm just gonna skip over because

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't care. Um, probably the most ridiculous

603
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Speaker 1: and incorrect and incorrectly correct. Like it's correct and it's not.

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Speaker 1: It's wrong, but it's kind of correct in this weird way.

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Speaker 1: It's an accurate prediction in some ways, but I'm still wrong. Um.

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Speaker 1: The SEC imposed its new policy called the Fairness Doctrine

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Speaker 1: Quote which requires your quoting, which requires radio stations to

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Speaker 1: provide quote equal time for alternative views on political or

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Speaker 1: policy issues. As a result, all radio stations have to

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Speaker 1: provide equal time to contrasting views for every political or

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00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: policy related program they broadcast. By talk radio shows such

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Speaker 1: as Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingram, Seawan, Hanny, Dennis Prager, uh

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Speaker 1: Hugh Hewitt, and broadcasters like Dr James Dobson, every conservative

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Speaker 1: of individuals, every conservative talk show is followed by an

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Speaker 1: instant rebuttal of the program by a liberal watchdog group.

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Speaker 1: So this is obviously very silly and very wrong. But

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Speaker 1: what he got right is how YouTube works now for

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Speaker 1: like all of these all this like this whole genre

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Speaker 1: of YouTube where like you'll watch you know, it's like

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Speaker 1: a lefty watching a right wing person's program, or a

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Speaker 1: right wing person watching a lefties program and like pausing

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Speaker 1: every ten seconds to give a rebuttal, yeah, which is

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Speaker 1: a huge genre YouTube. It's the U S economy. Yeah.

624
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Speaker 1: But like the idea that like radio stations would pause

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Speaker 1: in real time on Rush Limbaugh to have like a

626
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Speaker 1: left wing for a singular rebuttle for every shows very

627
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Speaker 1: fun as opposed to like what actually happened, which is

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Speaker 1: right wing media has only has become like the most

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Speaker 1: dominant media block in the country via substantial march after

630
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Speaker 1: two years of Obama, it only got much too more powerful.

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Speaker 1: And I like that Dobson like suddenly adds his name

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Speaker 1: to the end of this list because again he wrote,

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00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: he like ghost through the letter. He like adds his

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Speaker 1: name at the very end, Dr James Dobson. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it's just self promotion that it's most slimy. That's

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Speaker 1: just Dobson babing. So that was okay. So the FCC

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Speaker 1: past ten two thousand nine. By twos and ten, conservative

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Speaker 1: talk radio had all been shut down. Yes, I do

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Speaker 1: remember that. I remember. I remember the nightmare when I

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Speaker 1: couldn't hear Rush Limbaugh convinced my parents that it was

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Speaker 1: okay to glass the entire Middle East from the sky

642
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: because some some dudes funked up a building. Um, I

643
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: do remember that, so yeah, it doesn't end that shut down.

644
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: Just in good news. The Justice Department filed criminal charges

645
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: and civil charges against nearly all Bush Edmond Stration officials

646
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: that that had involvement in the Iraq War. A thing

647
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: that would have a knife, that would have massively improved

648
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: the world we live in. That God, I desperately want

649
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 1: to live in. James Dobson's fantasy America. James Dobson's fantasy

650
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: world in which there are consequences for committing war crimes.

651
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:26,439
Speaker 1: Oh the world. Um, Christian book publishers are all shut

652
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: down because of anti LGPD hate speech. Yeah, okayport shutting

653
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: down book publishers. But also yeah, it's stupid. It never happened. Um,

654
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: churches can no longer meet in public schools or any

655
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: public places because of the new quote separation of churches schools.

656
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: That is a problem. Actually, churches could longer be in

657
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: public schools because of quote new separation of church and

658
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: state laws. It does seem like that was always a

659
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: violation of the separation of church and state, with the

660
00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: operative word being separation separation. Okay, Christian homeschooling has effectively

661
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: all been stopped, in part because parents were now forced

662
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 1: to not teach their kids that homosexual conduct is wrong

663
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: or that Jesus is the only way to God, since

664
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: these ideas have been found to hinder students social adjustment

665
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: and acceptance of other lifestyles and beliefs. That last part

666
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: was quoting the letter. There um, thousands of homeschooling parents

667
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: had fled to Australia and New Zealand, the last bastion

668
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: of Christianity, New Zealand. So a massive refuge of Christian

669
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: homeschooling parents have moved to New Zealand. And I'll finally,

670
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: I'll finish talking about this piece of speculative fiction with

671
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 1: this quote from the end of the letter. Many people

672
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: thought Obama sounded so thoughtful, so reasonable. During his campaign.

673
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: After he had won the Democratic nomination, he seemed to

674
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,479
Speaker 1: be moving to the center in his speeches, moving away

675
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: from his far left record. No one thought he would

676
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: enact such a far left, extreme liberal agenda. But the

677
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: record was all there for anyone to see. The agenda

678
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: of the a c l U, the agenda of the

679
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: liberal activist judges and their dissenting opinions, the agenda of

680
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: the homosexual activists, the agenda of environmental activists of the

681
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,959
Speaker 1: National Board of Education, the global warming activists, abortion rights

682
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: activists and control activists, um USE and Asia supporters, One

683
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: World Government, pacifists, far left groups in Canada and Europe.

684
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: All these agencies, all all these agendas were in plain sight,

685
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 1: and all these groups provided huge support for Senator Obama.

686
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: The liberal agenda was there, but too many people just

687
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: didn't want to see it. Heart heartwarming. The far left

688
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: agenda of the a c l U. Yeah, who is

689
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: actually doing really good stuff important right now? They're helping them. No, No,

690
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: they're burning churches. And they're burning churches. That's what the

691
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: it's the American Christian lighting fire. They're showing up the

692
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: homes of homeschooling parents and scaring them away to New Zealand. Yeah, yeah,

693
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 1: that's what the tickets to a better country? How dare

694
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,439
Speaker 1: they so? Like? The point of this letter was like

695
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: to scare young Christians who feel a little bit of

696
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: hope that things can be better under a bomba to

697
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: be like, no, you don't understand how bad Obama is.

698
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: It's going to be really bad. Now, the letter didn't

699
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 1: do much because Obama is still one. So even though

700
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: its sent off to like at least ten million people anonymously,

701
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: it's a kind of a crazy thing to do, Like

702
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: why would you listen to this letter? There's my anonymous

703
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: fantasy about like like what the funk is this? I

704
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah. Um, Now now that we've warmed up

705
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: on that really great, really great heartwarming thing, the next

706
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: half of the episode is going to be about the

707
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: actual bad stuff, so focus on the family's active anti

708
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 1: LGBT activism. Really started in when they launched their quote

709
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: ex gay ministry. UM in this mystery was called Love

710
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: One Out. That was the title of what they So yeah,

711
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: I remember making fun of that because it sounds like

712
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 1: like like a restoration. It sounds like a restorating that's

713
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: what it said. Yeah, right, So x GAG is just

714
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: a more polite term for gay commersion therapy. Um, it's like, no,

715
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: I'm not getting converted from being gay, just I'm X gay.

716
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: It's an X gay program. So Love One Out, great

717
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: name is is different from other gay conversion therapy programs

718
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: because it's more because it's it's it's more of a

719
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 1: grift than any other one, which I mean, they're all

720
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: kind of grift, but this one specifically is more more

721
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: than a grift of anything because Love One Out isn't

722
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: actually a program, it's a it's a quarterly traveling conference. Um,

723
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: so it's here's here's our mission statement from one of

724
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: their conference guide books, quote, to provide a christ centered,

725
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: comprehensive conference which will enlighten, in power and equip families, churches,

726
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: youth leaders, educators, counselors, policymakers, and the gay community on

727
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 1: the truth about homosexuality and its impact on culture, family,

728
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 1: and youth. So that is their mission statement they put

729
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: in their little conference book. It's not good so as you,

730
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: as you may have been able to pick up on

731
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: only actually like a fraction of those who attend are gay.

732
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: A lot of the attendees are parents of teens quote

733
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: struggling with homosexuality or like youth pastors, among others. So

734
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: there's there is a fair there is a fair amount

735
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: gay people that that still go to the conference. One

736
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: way or the other. We'll get we'll get to details

737
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: for that later. But it's really a mix of like pastors,

738
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: people who think they're like counselors and then like concerned

739
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: parents who are like, oh no, my I think my

740
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: team could be gay. What can I do to stop this?

741
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 1: And then also you know, gay people were were brought

742
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,439
Speaker 1: in against their world quite often, which will fear about

743
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: their remifications of later yeah not not not really great. Um,

744
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: So what love went out views as the cause of

745
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: homosexuality is also a little bit different from some of

746
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 1: the other gay like Christian version therapy programs, where where

747
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: other Christian organizations takes takes the position at homosexuality is

748
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: a choice or they'll say it's naturally feel feelings, you

749
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: just can't act on them. And there's like the very

750
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: classes just pray, pray the gay away type of stuff.

751
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 1: It's like there's always a classical kind of thing. It's

752
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: like it's the choice. It's not a it's not a choice,

753
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: but you can choose not to act on it, Like

754
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: it's okay to feel these things, just you can't act

755
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: um or just you know, pray a lot um. The

756
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: main position is that that that that love one out

757
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: is it takes is that homosexuality is socially caused, usually

758
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 1: by mistakes made in parenting or childhood trauma. Because again

759
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: this is an organization called Focus on the Family that's

760
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: only about giving very bad family and parenting advice. So

761
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: they're trauma like getting beaten, so that their pitch for

762
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: this is to parents like, hey, you were a crappy parent.

763
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: That's why your child is now gay. Let us teach

764
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 1: you how to be a better parent so your kid

765
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: can't be gay. No, your kid, your kid turned out

766
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: gay because you didn't hit him the way James Dobson

767
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: taught you to hit him. You gotta hit him a

768
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: different way. You can't hit him the way you were

769
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: hitting him. That's what makes him gay. You gotta hit

770
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: him him the Christian way. So remember, like James James

771
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: got a psychology degree in the sixties. In seventy three

772
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: was when they ruled that homosexuality wasn't an elious yeah.

773
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I imagine a psychology degree in the sixties

774
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: was mostly learning how to punch, yeah, And it was

775
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: learning that gays gays a disease and it should be

776
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: stopped right. That was only changed in the seventies just

777
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 1: so very very recent um, you know, in in comparison,

778
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: at the same time, women got the ability to have

779
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: their own check their own chet books, which is why

780
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: there was a massive divorce spike in the seventies because

781
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: they were had economic control, which is why there was

782
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: a huge divorce spike, which is very funny to me.

783
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: It's sad, but you know, because I don't think that

784
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: the trauma. Actually no, it's it's sad that there was.

785
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 1: It was sad that you were trapped into the views

786
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: of marriages is sad and then had to you know,

787
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: like get out only when they could allow, you know,

788
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: have an economic life. Very supportive of the fact that

789
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 1: they very very sad that they were in that position,

790
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: said that it had to happen in the first place. Um,

791
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: so love. When out advocates at homosexuality is quote preventable

792
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: and treatable, most of these offerences talk about prevention and

793
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: the causes of gayness because obviously, despite their claim, there

794
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: actually isn't an effective way to treat being gay, which

795
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: they kind of they kind of know that, but they

796
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 1: still try to lie about it a little bit. But

797
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's tricky. Um. The most the most

798
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: effort they made on the treatment side is talking about prayer,

799
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: you know, as one does, uh, mixed in with vaguely

800
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: kind of trying to address underlying childhood traumas that cause gayness. Um.

801
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: So like it's like a mix of like psychotherapy, like

802
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: trying to like, you know, you need to address the

803
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 1: problems that cause the gayness, then the gainness will go away.

804
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: Also pray a lot, but they really underscore the treatment

805
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: side of things because they know it's all b Yes,

806
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: They're more focused on the pseudoscience of how to prevent

807
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: it from happening because they can make more money off

808
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's a massive grift, a

809
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: griff that resulted in people getting you know, killed and died.

810
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: Um yeah, um, is is it time for It's a

811
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: time for an at break? Speaking of grifts, you know,

812
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: dioge is grift ng Okay, Sophie, I can't call myself

813
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 1: a grifter. I can't openly threaten the heads of social

814
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: media companies. I feel like, couldn't openly threaten social heads

815
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:25,439
Speaker 1: of social media companies. Robert, you're right, you're right, You're right.

816
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: I usually am continue. I was going to make a

817
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: joke where I threatened the head of TikTok, but I

818
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 1: don't know who it is, so we'll just actually some

819
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: guy in China, some some guy in China, We're coming

820
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: for you. We are back talking about gay conversion therapy. UM.

821
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 1: One of my favorite things to talk about now because

822
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of reading on it. Yea, yea.

823
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: And part of the reason why my family escaped the

824
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: cult to escape from Canada, from the cult so that

825
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have to go to a gay confession therapy

826
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: when I got older, because they thought like me or

827
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: my siblings could be gay. Well, kudos to your parents.

828
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: I'm good and have to go through that. That's uh god,

829
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: damn it. Yeah, what a fucked up planet. Yeah yeah, Okay,

830
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: I am not going to think too much about that one, Garrison,

831
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: because it's gonna bought me out too much. Ye as, yea,

832
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: all right. The blame that that loved one out talks

833
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: about for someone struggling homosexuality is split between the parents

834
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: fault and society's fault. They go into a whole bunch

835
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: of like pseudo Freudian bullshit about like a strong dominant

836
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: mother and quite distant fathers or hostile aggressive fathers all

837
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: being causes of this. It's like like which is weird

838
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 1: because like Dobson often talks about like a dominant mother

839
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: in his life, because you know, remember the thrashing with

840
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: the girdle, yes, that is dominant. It also sounds like

841
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: a kind of yeah, I know, maybe dobs know other

842
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: things going on. I don't know. Um, frankly, it's all

843
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: quite boring, like like Freudian bullshit. They get into for

844
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: lots for most of the causes. Um. A choice quote

845
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: from one of the speakers who spoke at these conferences,

846
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: who who claims to be a reparative therapist, and this

847
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: is them addressing parents, quote, if you don't hug your

848
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: son's then some other man will, which is I think

849
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: it's very funny. Damn it. This is a reparative therapist. Yeah,

850
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: you know, there should be a German word for like

851
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: thaying I want to laugh at but I know was

852
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 1: responsible for like more too much human misery for it

853
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: to actually be funny. But it's like I have to

854
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: laugh at this because I got very close to this

855
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: in my life. The speaker also remarks, quote, there's no

856
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: such thing as a homosexual, just misbehaving heterosexuals who can

857
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: reclaim their identity through prayer and therapy. It's like a

858
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: weird a weird stance that love one out takes is

859
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: like there's no gay people being the gay people don't exist.

860
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: One can choose to identify as gay, but that that's

861
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: that you can't be gay. Actually, what you have is

862
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: you experience homosexual thoughts and if you can and if

863
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: you can adjust those thoughts, then you can actually be

864
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 1: your true self, which is a heterosexual. They get into

865
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: a who bunch of like wow, that makes that makes

866
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: that is impressively nonsense, Like you have to give it

867
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: to them. You couldn't. You couldn't make less sense if

868
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: you tried. Yeah, they get into a whole bunch of

869
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: like dumb psych psych pop kind of stuff. They really

870
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: try to worm their way around a lot of a

871
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: lot of this um. At least seven predominant social scientists

872
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: have publicly called out and disowned Focus on the Family

873
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: for deliberately misinterpreting their research to bolster kind of the

874
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: homophobic claims that Focus on the Family makes so like

875
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: they try to appropriate people's like gender research and like

876
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: parenting research, and they use it very badly. And these

877
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: scientists are like, no, that's not what we're saying at all.

878
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: You're very bad at what you're trying to do and

879
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: really harmful. We disown you and stop using our research

880
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: because they're using it very poorly. Yea, that needs to

881
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: be some sort of crime. I don't know, that's not

882
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: freedom of speech. No, because you're trying to make grifts

883
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,240
Speaker 1: and make money off of the endangerment of human beings. Yeah,

884
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: and using like social science as a cover kind of

885
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: slandering the scientists. Yeah in a way. Yeah, I don't know,

886
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: they're like misappropriating their work in a way that you know,

887
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 1: they're making money off it, so you you could you know, yeah,

888
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: they got a few things could happen. So when when

889
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: they're not talking about weird Freudian gender identity kind of

890
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: stuff but like to masculine mothers and bad parenting nonsense stuff,

891
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: when then we're not doing that, they're they're discussing the

892
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: other causes of the object and homosexual behavior. The Advancing

893
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: Quote Gay Agenda part of their mission statement reads, uh quote,

894
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 1: we cannot escape the onslaught of gay prop again that

895
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: seeks to influence our churches, schools, businesses, and neighborhoods. That

896
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: was written to it two us in five. So like

897
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: they were really they were on this gay agenda thing.

898
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: They were, they were on it. They were like the

899
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,959
Speaker 1: first people really nervous. And two has and five about

900
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: the schools and businesses and neighborhoods or this onslaught of

901
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: the gay propaganda advancing. The conference guide states that mainstream

902
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:25,720
Speaker 1: science's assisting the gay agenda in three main ways normalization

903
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 1: through desensitization, undermining parental moral authority, and equating homosexuality to heterosexuality.

904
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: So three three main ways the science is helping advance

905
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:41,919
Speaker 1: the gay agenda does by pushing these things into the society. Okay, yep.

906
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 1: And the reason why, you know, as all these gay

907
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: people are such a problem kind of besides the whole

908
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 1: biblical interpretation of homosexuality being a sin, which means even

909
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: some Bible scholars even questioned that um for what was

910
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: actually being written back at the time. A lot of

911
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: a lot of modern Bible scholars believe they're talking about

912
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: gay rape or an older man of using a child.

913
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:04,720
Speaker 1: That's usually what most scholars look at it now. Um.

914
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: But besides the whole biblical interpretation thing, um, the fact

915
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: that if gayness is so widely accepted as normal, um,

916
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: the reason, the reason why it's reason why it's bad

917
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: is then kids of Christian parents will feel more comfortable

918
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: coming out as gay and will probably be more likely

919
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: to not be Christians um because of the homophobia in

920
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: the church, And of course the evangelic evangelicals don't want that,

921
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 1: But there's that aspect that also a big, a big

922
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: extential fear for them. It was gay marriage at the

923
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: time that was really the thing that they would have

924
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: and the repercussions that gay marriage would have, like what

925
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: they laid out in the speculative fiction letter from two

926
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: US and eight, the fear that gay marriage and possible

927
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: resulting anti discrimination laws could threaten what they believe to

928
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: be their freedom of speech and freedom of religion. Jobs

929
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: aboute the whole book Marriage under Fire, which we don't

930
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,760
Speaker 1: even have time to get into, but it's it's a whole, whole, big,

931
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,720
Speaker 1: huge book that I was very popular in two thousand

932
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: four and the conference guy that we've been reading from

933
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: has a chapter called addressing the pro gay Agenda in

934
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 1: your School. In this chapter, there's checklist that's supposed to

935
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: determine the level of homosexual promotion in your school. So like, yeah,

936
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: a lot of their fears are like if kids are gay,

937
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 1: then they're gonna not want to be Christians anymore, which

938
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: isn't great for for profit well technically nonprofit, but you know,

939
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 1: it's a media empire. It's it's not good for churches

940
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: and Christian kind of publishers if there's less Christians. And

941
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 1: also you know they are really terrified at gay marriage

942
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: and what's going to happen. Those are kind of the

943
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: two things that are they're really trying to push through

944
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: this conference, and that's what all their fear moongering about

945
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: the gay agenda really is. But these these twelve things

946
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: listed as red flags. So like in this chapter called

947
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: addressing the pro pro gay Agenda in your School, there's

948
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: there's these twelve red flags to look for in your

949
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 1: own schools, and it's really good. It's it's a really

950
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 1: fantastic list. Um Number one, A safe School's non harassment policy.

951
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: Save Schools is like a brand that teaches like that

952
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: has like um, they do like they do like discrimination

953
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: training in schools and stuff. So like if if if

954
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: a school has posted a safe a safe schools non

955
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: harassment policy, first red flag, if there's if there's guidelines

956
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: against harassment, first red flag, that the gay agenda is

957
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: being infected into your school. If you can't harass people,

958
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: it is a red flag. Yeah. Number two a homosexual

959
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: student club. I mean that's you know, that's a fair

960
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: red flag coming from the perspective, that makes more it

961
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: makes more sense. Um Number three non discrimination policy based

962
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: on sexual orientation. So again more discrimination stuff being red flags. Yeah,

963
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: if you can't discriminate, it's definitely that's a red flag,

964
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: right there. Number four programs to stop homophobia, hate or

965
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 1: bias just yeah, you wouldn't want to stop home just generally,

966
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: not even just homophobia, but hating bias too. Those are

967
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: it's the liberal gay agenda is getting injected in like

968
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: a vaccine, big problem and like X big problem. Yeah.

969
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: Number five is pro homosexual literature added to the curricula

970
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: and libraries, and a pro family material quote pro family

971
00:54:56,560 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: material being bypassed or discarded. So I don't really know

972
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: what they mean by that, but I'm sure I'm sure

973
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: it was scary. Numbers Number six aids and sex said

974
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: programs as Yeah, so if they teach you about AIDS

975
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 1: and sex said, that's a problem. Not even gay sex said,

976
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: just sex said. In general, that's the advancing gay agenda

977
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 1: in your school. Number seven teachers that are homosexual. Of course,

978
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: that's huge problem. You can't can't have that. UM. Remember

979
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: eight involvement in your school by the by the Gay

980
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: Lesbian Straight Education Network or the Parents and Friends of

981
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: Lesbian Gays, which are two organizations that help for gay rights.

982
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: So if there, if they have any involvement in your

983
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 1: school or whatever, huge issue. Uh. Number nine celebrating Gay

984
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 1: Pride Month or National Coming Out Day, Big big problem there.

985
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 1: That's that's the gay agenda advancing have to be careful UM.

986
00:55:53,880 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: Exhibits or films on families by homosexuals. So exhibits or

987
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: films about family that are made by homosexual filmmakers, which

988
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: again I don't even know what they're really saying there.

989
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: It's kind of underscertainable. No, it's it's complete. But we

990
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 1: have two more no red flags UM, students students UM

991
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 1: and parents with concerns being silenced. So so that's that's

992
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: good UM. And number twelve a teacher in service meanings

993
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: promoting diversity to teach meetings that promote diversity. That's the

994
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: final red flag that if if you see these twelve

995
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: things in your school or even you know a few

996
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,280
Speaker 1: of them. This is this is means the gay agenda

997
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: is advancing. Sound right, Yeah, that sounds like how the

998
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: gay agenda. I was very happy looking through this conference

999
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: manual and looking looking at and I found this page like, yes,

1000
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: I have a few paragraphs to right now. It was

1001
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: great this and the manuals poorly designed to like this.

1002
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: The graphic design is terrible. It's like the worst era

1003
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: of two US and five like manual design. It's really

1004
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: bad and ugly to look at. It's it's a magnificent

1005
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: piece that I glorious. Internet. Are their stock photos of people?

1006
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Yeah? Yeah, absolutely absolutely stock

1007
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: photos of like people with their families, Like have you

1008
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: seen much like Christian Have you seen much Christian like

1009
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: propaganda from the era? Oh? Yeah, you know, all the

1010
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: same stuff. Um, so okay kind of now. The saddest

1011
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: part of this is that parents would often force their

1012
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: gay children to attend this convention against their will. Um,

1013
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: these kids can be stuck with the choice of either

1014
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: going to this anti gay conference or losing the love

1015
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: and financial support of their parents. That was really what

1016
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: a lot of kids talked about for this conference is

1017
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,439
Speaker 1: like I was forced to go or else I would

1018
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: be kicked out of the house or I would you know,

1019
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: my parents would disown me. And the thing about this,

1020
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: this thing is like, this isn't just this isn't just

1021
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: like a game of conversion therapy program you go to.

1022
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: This is a traveling conference, so it can go to

1023
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: your town. You're like, oh no, if it goes to

1024
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: my town, I know my parents gonna take me there. Right.

1025
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: It's like because like it's like it's like an active threat.

1026
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: It's not just like, oh no, I'm not gonna get

1027
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: driven to Texas to go to this program that you

1028
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: don't know where it's going to come to you into

1029
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: your life. Horrible, It's really bad. Um. Yeah. In NPR

1030
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: article from two US and seven talks with a sixteen

1031
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: year old kid named Brett, um, Brett told NPR quote,

1032
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: I did not want to come at all, but I guess,

1033
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 1: you know, I have no choice because my parents, you know,

1034
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: control my entire life. Um. His His parents drove three

1035
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty miles from San Diego to Phoenix to

1036
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: attend this conference fucking Arizona. Yeah. And and and the

1037
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: parents said in hopes that it will quote plant the

1038
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: seeds that quote, one day their sun will become straight. So,

1039
00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: after Brett was forced to listen to idiots, I'm, yeah,

1040
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: it doesn't it's not how it works, but that's what

1041
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: they thought. They thought it's how it works. Like they

1042
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: even knew, like, oh, even if he's not going to

1043
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: get fixed here, at least maybe plant the seeds that

1044
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: he'll be able to be not gay later. It's real,

1045
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: real sad kind of stuff and like this is not uncommon. Um,

1046
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: after Brett was forced to listen to all those speeches

1047
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: and testimonials and please from these quote therapists that his

1048
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: quoted disorder can be treated, Brett said to MPR, quote,

1049
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,959
Speaker 1: don't tell my parents, but no, I know I'm gay,

1050
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: and like their stories are really inspiring, but I know

1051
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: this is me and I don't really want to change.

1052
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: So like again this is from like a Christian kid.

1053
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I understand their viewpoints, like even like

1054
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: that's sad and in point, but he's like, yeah, I understand,

1055
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: it's kind of inspiring, but no, like this is who

1056
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: I am. Yeah, I can't not be this. And another

1057
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: really sad part is that the MPR article talked to

1058
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: Brett's dad and he said, um, he said quote the

1059
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: conference taught him that he needs to learn to love

1060
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: his son unconditionally. So like this is the kind of

1061
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: thing where it gets We'll talk about this more later,

1062
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: but like what the conference did is like because like

1063
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: these things are very bad, but like one of the

1064
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: things that was teaching is like, no, if you have

1065
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 1: gay if you have gay children, you still need to

1066
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: like love them as your children, which is like something

1067
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: that like these people needed to get taught like this,

1068
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: this is what Brett's dad, right, Like Brett's dad learned

1069
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: at the convention. I guess I still have to love

1070
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: my son. That's the thing that he like took away

1071
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: from and talked to NPR about, which is really like me,

1072
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: like as bad, like this conference is terrible and abusive,

1073
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: but still that's like a net good from it. That's

1074
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: what stuff going to this thing that was less fucked

1075
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 1: up than him helped. Yes, yeah, that's really that's just

1076
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: I mean this everything it's bad. Tragedy um on Love

1077
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: wre notes old website which has been like since deleted.

1078
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: Like you know, it's it takes a while to dig

1079
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: ford in like the way back machine, but every every

1080
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: time you change the page on the website. It has

1081
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: a little testimonial from from an attendee, which is a

1082
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 1: great source for terrible and sad quotes. Keep in mind,

1083
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: these are quotes that they're putting up on their websites

1084
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: to make themselves look good, right, feel like advertisements. Yeah,

1085
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: here's um, here's a quote quote. I've been struggling for

1086
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 1: twenty months with the fact that my son tells me

1087
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: he is gay. I've gone through all the first three

1088
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: stages of grief. I found this conference on the internet.

1089
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: We drove from Orange, Texas last night the conference in

1090
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: Atlanta to begin on the reconstructive phase of our grief.

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01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: Thank you for giving me hope for a loving relationship

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01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 1: with my son, which is real bad. Yeah. Yeah, So

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01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 1: again it's like yeah, like, and I guess from the

1094
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: way that's written, I think it sounds like the hope

1095
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 1: that my son will be straight again so I can

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01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: have a loving relationship with them. That's the way that

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01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 1: I kind of read that as Um, it could also mean,

1098
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: you know, I hope that I can still love and

1099
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 1: still have a relationship with my son even though it's gay.

1100
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: But I kind of doubt that. If they drove from

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01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 1: Texas to Georgia. For this, it sounds more like hoping

1102
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: my son will be straight one day so then I

1103
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 1: can love him. Yeah, not great. Um from a sixteen

1104
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: year old they said, quote gay identified boy, because again,

1105
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: you can't be gay, you could identify as gay, you know,

1106
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: actually gay, it's that you're dealing with these homosexual feelings,

1107
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: so they right from a sixth year old gay dentified

1108
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: boy who came because quote my mom dragged me into

1109
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: this quote. There were some things that did not agree with,

1110
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: but it was all presented with love, which I get

1111
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 1: really sad reading um, which really kind of messes me

1112
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: up on a fundamental level. Who as someone who kind

1113
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: of discovered they were queer after being in a very

1114
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: hateful conservative environment for so long, including with like whole

1115
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: bunch of like self hating in my younger teens, that

1116
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 1: really gets me kind of angry reading stuff like that

1117
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 1: because like dealing with realizing things about myself well, having

1118
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 1: such like toxic bad viewpoints. It's not it's not great,

1119
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 1: And yeah, this kind of stuff really makes me upset. Um.

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01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 1: Here's here's here's one I actually I like reading because

1121
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 1: it's gonna be we can maybe laugh at this one

1122
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: and you know, um quote. I was one of the

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01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 1: police officers that worked at the Loved One Out conference.

1124
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: I thought that that's such a sentence right there. God,

1125
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: what a sentence. Okay, sorry, I thought the testimonials were awesome.

1126
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: I was trying to be a tough guy, but I

1127
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 1: could not keep the tears from running down my face.

1128
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 1: The three other officers who were there with me said

1129
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: the same thing. It was a very moving testimony to

1130
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: the power of God and how he pursued you. As

1131
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: police officers, we're we're often pretty rough on gay lesbian issues,

1132
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: mostly making jokes and expressing disgust. The conference made all

1133
01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: four of us more sensitive to homosexuals. Oh my god,

1134
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 1: everything about that is as bad as it could be.

1135
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 1: Like the fact that this conference again helped people who

1136
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 1: were even more bigger than the conference be slightly maybe

1137
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 1: less big or at least less dangerously bigger than like,

1138
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 1: is still incredibly fucked up. It's that's so bad. As

1139
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 1: police officer who's assigned as security, It's like I used

1140
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 1: to joke about gay people killing themselves, and now I

1141
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 1: think that's wrong. They should just be forcibly converted. I've

1142
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 1: improved as police officers were pretty tough on gay let's

1143
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: be in issues, making jokes and expressing disgust like what

1144
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: a great club as police officers like, of course all

1145
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 1: cops do this. Oh buddy, Uh, someone should have gone

1146
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 1: to his That shouldn't be You shouldn't get to be

1147
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: a cop and say that. And they advertised it on

1148
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: their website. Is a good thing. He was proud of that.

1149
01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 1: He was willing to be like like all cops, I

1150
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: used to habitually make fun of homosexuals, but now I don't.

1151
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 1: Last last person will hear about who attended? Is from

1152
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: an article in the in the Denver Post. In fight UM,

1153
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: Christina Blake, thirty six year old Denver artists moved moved

1154
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 1: to Colorado ten years ago, so in UM for the States,

1155
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: she moved to Colorado for the state's X gay programs

1156
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 1: UM and underwent more than four years and two of them.

1157
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 1: She also underwent psychological counseling, so she moved to Colorado.

1158
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 1: This is where focusing on the families based a lot

1159
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: of like in person stuff there like all the time

1160
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: as well, these as well as these traveling conferences Jesus

1161
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 1: and she tended to like multiple programs, not just focus

1162
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 1: on the families, um. Quote. I threw my whole heart

1163
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 1: and soul and life into changing. There was a period

1164
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 1: of time where I actually believe that I was changing,

1165
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 1: but then there would be reminders, Oh no, still gay. Um.

1166
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: The whole time she suppressed her sexuality, her creativity disappeared,

1167
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 1: she gave up on transforming herself into her headterseexual. She said,

1168
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 1: after serving many gay people leaving leading healthy, happy, vibrant lives. Quote,

1169
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: I still had to deal with a lot of a

1170
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 1: lot of feelings of shame, brokenness, and the failure that

1171
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 1: I had internalized from from the ES gay programs, um,

1172
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 1: Christina said. And the article ends by saying she no

1173
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 1: longer considers us consider herself herself a Christian, but like,

1174
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 1: you know, a person who was like lived in these

1175
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: programs for ten years trying desperately to change yourself because

1176
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 1: you think that's the only way to connect with God

1177
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 1: and just you know, it doesn't work. And it left

1178
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 1: a lot of people dead, a lot of people killed themselves.

1179
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 1: Well we'll talk more about that at the end. For

1180
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 1: the kind of the stats on all those sad things, UM,

1181
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 1: I think I think would be a little bit good

1182
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 1: to learn about the guy who kind of ran a

1183
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 1: whole operation, because this is actually very important UM, so

1184
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 1: love one out as the program was funded by someone

1185
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 1: named John pulk Um. John's story is not unique in

1186
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 1: anyway from the people that run these types of operations.

1187
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 1: According to John, he came out as gay when he

1188
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 1: was eight team. This was in UM. He came out

1189
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: to an accept to an accepting family. He was he was,

1190
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 1: you know, he was. He was fine at the time. UM.

1191
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 1: In his mid twenties he found himself becoming despondent and

1192
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: even the suicidal um in college. He at the time

1193
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 1: he attributed his unhappiness to homosexuality. Many years later he

1194
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 1: would say it was actually because he was tremendously insecure

1195
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 1: and lonely. Around the same time, a university campus pastor

1196
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 1: introduced John to Christianity. So it's like in his mid

1197
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: twenties he first kind of got introduced to Christianity when

1198
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 1: he was severely depressed in suicidal. So, trying to reconcile

1199
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 1: his depression, gayness and new potential path for with Christianity,

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01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 1: John signed up for a year long residential conversion therapy program,

1201
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 1: which that means is you live in this It's it's

1202
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 1: like it's like a you'd like live in this spot.

1203
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 1: They have like houses and dorms and you live in

1204
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: this program. Sounds like it's real. It's real bad. A

1205
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: lot of people died there. Yeah, So he signed up

1206
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 1: for this year long program. Eventually he he he's stay

1207
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 1: there for more than actually year. He eventually got a job.

1208
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 1: They're working at the same conversion therapy business that that

1209
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 1: he attended. Him and a quote former lesbian that he

1210
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 1: met at the program got married. UM. They wrote a

1211
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 1: book together. In the nineties, John got put in charge

1212
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: to focus on the Famili's quote homosexuality and gender division,

1213
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:24,160
Speaker 1: the whole division dedicated Yeah you gotta you gotta have

1214
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 1: a division UM. In ninety eight, he founded and lad

1215
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:30,640
Speaker 1: Loved One Out under focus on the family UM. In

1216
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 1: two thousand, while on a speaking tour in Washington, d C.

1217
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 1: Unclear if this was for a Loved One Out conference

1218
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: or was just if it was just another speaking arrangement uh,

1219
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 1: John was seen and photographed sitting in a predominant popular

1220
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 1: gay bar by a known gay activist. When approached, John

1221
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 1: said his name was John Clint, which is his name

1222
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 1: is John Polk. But this guy calling himself John Clint

1223
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:54,640
Speaker 1: said said he was gay. Um. After news of this

1224
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 1: spread around, John told the media that he was just

1225
01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 1: there because he was walking around and needed the place

1226
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 1: to goose the bathroom him. And he said he didn't

1227
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 1: know it was a gay bar until until you went in. However,

1228
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 1: are the people there, um, you know saw him for

1229
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 1: like an hour talking intimately with other men. It was

1230
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,799
Speaker 1: kind of a quote, people said. Um. John later admitted

1231
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 1: to knowing it was a gay bar and has said yeah, yeah,

1232
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 1: and it said quote, at a low point in my life,

1233
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 1: I went back to a place where I felt comfortable. Um.

1234
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 1: No matter what his intentions were, he was um. No

1235
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 1: matter if he was actually going in knowingly to get

1236
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 1: sex or whatever, or if he was just lonely and

1237
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 1: kind of actually said and needed up like a familiar

1238
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 1: place whatever, um he whatever it was. He was forced

1239
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 1: to resign as a board chairman at the Conversion at

1240
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 1: the conversion therapy place that he attended. UM, but he

1241
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 1: still continued to work and focus on the family and

1242
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 1: lad Love one out until two US and three. Two

1243
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 1: US and three, he suddenly quit his job at Focus

1244
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:48,800
Speaker 1: and dropped out of the spotlight of becoming like a

1245
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 1: very famous x G speaker. UM John and his family

1246
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 1: moved to Portland, Oregon. Oh, Um John went to town.

1247
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 1: This is this is Yeah, you don't know. We get

1248
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 1: tear gas. This is the time we get t guests. John,

1249
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 1: maybe getting tear guests too. Actually, m Um John went.

1250
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 1: John went to culinary school and became a chef, soon

1251
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,599
Speaker 1: opening up a successful catering business. UM of his time

1252
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 1: in Portland, John wrote, on the outside, it was a

1253
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 1: happy life, but inside I was torn. I deeply loved

1254
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 1: my wife, An who still believed in like the XTA movement,

1255
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 1: but I knew it would be extremely scandalous to embrace

1256
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 1: some sexuality after the career I've had. It was, but

1257
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 1: it was more and more apparent to me that it

1258
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 1: was what I had always been. I was. I was gay. Um,

1259
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 1: the older I got, the lonelier I was becoming. In

1260
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 1: two In two thousand and eleven, I was driving down

1261
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 1: a suburban street and I saw two men holding hands.

1262
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 1: I burst into tears, realizing that I wanted to be

1263
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 1: one of those men. So John got out of focus

1264
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:44,639
Speaker 1: in the family because he realized he couldn't keep doing

1265
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 1: this work anymore, but he still was married to his

1266
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 1: wife for like a decade afterwards. Um, you know, just

1267
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:53,720
Speaker 1: kind of slowly disengaging, because like, after you're in this

1268
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 1: for so long, you can't just pop out very easily.

1269
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:57,680
Speaker 1: You have. It's it's kind of it can be a

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Speaker 1: slow for some people. Yeah, it's deep programming yourself. Yeah. Um,

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Speaker 1: John describes his time where I can't focus on the

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01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 1: family like this. I was an utter torment. I struggled

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01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 1: on and off with addiction and wanted to take my life.

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01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 1: I wanted to believe I wasn't gay so badly that

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01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 1: not only did I lie to other people, but I

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01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 1: primarily lied to myself. I wanted my homosexuality to change.

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Speaker 1: But the truth is, for all the public rhetoric, I

1278
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 1: was not one bit less gay behind closed doors, behind

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01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 1: many of us in the X gay leadership and focus

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Speaker 1: on the family, but even admitness to each other. Um,

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01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:31,600
Speaker 1: we had this conversation many times. Quote, we know our

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01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 1: orientation hasn't really changed. What has changed our behavior, our

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01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 1: way of life, how we see ourselves, Our sexuality has

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01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 1: not changed. More and more, when I had to go

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Speaker 1: when I had to go up and speak to crowds

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01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,720
Speaker 1: of people about my gay conversion. I felt like a

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01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 1: wind up toy. I'd go back to my hotel room,

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01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 1: fall in the bed and start weeping. Yeah, which is

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01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 1: isn't That isn't uncommon for a lot of these people

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01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 1: who are gay that ran these programs. A lot of

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01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 1: them have since come out and said, no, this is

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01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 1: all bullshit. I'm so sorry for causing the deaths of

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01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 1: so many people. I am kay, and I want to

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01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 1: kind of live a quiet life now. I'm really sorry

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01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 1: for what I have done, but I don't know how

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01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 1: to deal with like the trauma of like not only me,

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01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:10,639
Speaker 1: but also the trauma I've caused. Like it doesn't sound

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01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 1: like a great environment. And then there's a lot of

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01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 1: brainwashing going on and cult like stuff, so like it's

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01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 1: it's hard to really I'm not sure what consequences for

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01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 1: the actions should be. Besides if people should just like

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01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 1: be able to live alone for the rest of their

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01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 1: like like live by themselves and try to find happiness.

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01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 1: I I don't know. It's it's tough. Um into us

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01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 1: and thirteen John made a public apology for all the

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01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 1: harm him and the x gay movement. He was a

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01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 1: part of caused, saying quote, I do not believe in

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01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 1: reparative therapy. I don't believe it changes sexual orientation. In fact,

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01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 1: it does great harm too many people. I know that

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01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 1: countless people were harmed by things I said and did

1311
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 1: in the past. Parents, families, and their loved ones were

1312
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 1: all negatively impacted by the notion of reparative therapy and

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01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 1: the message of change. I'm truly, truly sorry for the

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01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 1: pain I have caused. Now, I don't want to focus

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01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 1: on John Pauk too much because he isn't the primary

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01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,599
Speaker 1: He isn't the primary victim here. The primary victim are

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01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 1: victims are like the teens and adults that killed themselves

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01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 1: as a result of the rhetoric John and people like him,

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01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 1: you know, spread. But I also know that like John

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01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 1: knows that he he knows that as well. Um, And

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01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's awful to live with. And I kind

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01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:15,720
Speaker 1: of do wish him the best. He's living as a

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01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 1: gay person. I don't think he's Christian anymore, just living

1324
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 1: in Portland running a very successful caring business. I kind

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01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:22,639
Speaker 1: of wish him well, but I don't want to focus

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01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 1: on him too much do to financial restraints work coming

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01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 1: to the end here thankfully, because I'm I'm kind of

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01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 1: done with all of this. UM do to financial illustraints

1329
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 1: and to US and eleven and to US and nine,

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01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 1: Focus on the Family sold Love one out to Exodus International,

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01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 1: of a huge conversion therapy umbrella organization that that had

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01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 1: worked with Focus in the Family in the past. Later

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01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 1: on in Exodus totally shut down UM ending Ending Love

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01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 1: went out as well, stating that conversion therapy does not

1335
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 1: work and apologize for the pain they've caused. And this

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01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 1: was like the place which was this was like a

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01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 1: massive conglomerate of gay conversion therapy programs, Like this is

1338
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 1: actually huge news when the shutdown like this was massive. UM,

1339
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 1: Like I know, I know people that have been sent

1340
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 1: to Exodus International pros Christ Exodus to like what a

1341
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 1: what a yeah, what a nightmare? All of that news is.

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01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 1: It's bad. It's all terrible. UM. Also in two US

1343
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 1: and nine, John, you know, James Dobson left Focus on

1344
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 1: the Family amid philosophical conflicts with his successor, Jim Daily. UM.

1345
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 1: Focus on the Family has under since UM went down

1346
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 1: a hiss. Underson has gone down to downsizing and has

1347
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 1: dialed back its political activism mainly kind of focusing on

1348
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 1: their media division. Now UM it's year it's yearly operating

1349
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:43,679
Speaker 1: budget still hovers around ninety million dollars, So like they're

1350
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 1: still they're still very active. UM, They're just not like

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01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 1: the massive political force they were in the nineties where

1352
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 1: they had like a hundred and fifty million dollars. But

1353
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 1: like still they're they're still they're there's still there's still

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01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 1: a notable organization. UM. Despite Dobson being gone and Love

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01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 1: went out defunct. Uh, not much has changed on the

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01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 1: rhetoric focus in the family spreads regarding homosexuality. They currently

1357
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 1: have like over thirty live articles that I could find

1358
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 1: through scrolling in like ten minutes about the prevention slash

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01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 1: treatment of homosexuality UM, with many other articles about adjacent

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01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:16,760
Speaker 1: gay issues and stuff, plus selling countless books on the

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01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 1: subject on their website. UM. One article opens up with

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01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 1: the imagined question prompt saying, uh, what can we say

1363
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 1: to our teenage son who who just told us he's gay?

1364
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 1: I'm devastated one but I'm so angry I could scream

1365
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 1: the next I could just sit and cry. We love

1366
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 1: our son, we don't want this influence in our home,

1367
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:36,679
Speaker 1: so that that's how they start an article. Um, yeah,

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01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 1: articles offer helpful advice um for interacting with friends and

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01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 1: family members that quote identify as gay and such. Such

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01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 1: helpful advice that they list is a see a person

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01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 1: not not a homosexual. Just this is just like the

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01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 1: sheer notion that they need to like establish that people

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01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: are still humans like theirs. The fact they need to

1374
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 1: say that really shows what their audiences and and what

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01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 1: they're actually doing. Ye. Well that I hate yea. Um,

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01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 1: although I'm pretty sure that the understanding, um uh, that

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01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 1: this is now a failing cultural battle, right like they

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01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:19,559
Speaker 1: understand that this is now kind of a losing battle, um,

1379
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 1: because they've turned their attention most more recently towards transgenderism

1380
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:26,440
Speaker 1: as a new thing that's going to destroy America. Okay,

1381
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 1: because it makes sense because they're too accepted, and it

1382
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 1: didn't destroy America. We have a gay marriage and everything

1383
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 1: is still be the same, all right now. I will

1384
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 1: say America has been kind of destroyed. But I don't

1385
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 1: play game marriage. I don't play gay marriage or the

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01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 1: or the four left Supreme Court. I do blame the

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01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:53,720
Speaker 1: Supreme Court for some but not not the six to

1388
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 1: three far left leftist communist. Yeah, they didn't do that. Yep.

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01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 1: Uh uh. Mostly I blame not Drudge, the Drudge Report,

1390
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 1: I bring. I blame Matt Drudge, that Drudge I know,

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01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:10,800
Speaker 1: Glenn Beck was very popular at the time. Yeah, but

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01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 1: they all got popular. All of these guys that we're

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01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 1: dealing with now, like including Alex Jones, got their their

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01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:20,720
Speaker 1: first initial like really big national exposure thanks to Um

1395
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:25,759
Speaker 1: to Matt Drudge, who now was kind of anti Trump. Um. Yeah,

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01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:28,559
Speaker 1: it's been a weird journey from Matt Um. I mean

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01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 1: he's still I think, pretty conservative, but he just doesn't

1398
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 1: like Trump. But he was like he was, he was

1399
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 1: the We'll talk about Matt Dredge someday maybe. Yeah. So

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01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 1: they're selling lots of books written in the past five

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01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 1: years about transgenders, and on their website there's there's countless

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01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 1: articles um, whereas the articles about home sexuality have taken

1403
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 1: like a dip, and I think they're not they're not

1404
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 1: writing as many new ones. They're mainly focusing on transgender stuff.

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01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 1: If you didn't grow up in the evangelical Christian scene

1406
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 1: in the eighties, nineties or two thousand's, the first time

1407
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 1: you may have heard of Focus in the Family is

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01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 1: probably from John oliver segment on when he on his

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01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 1: segment about Mike Pence because into Us in seventeen, Mike

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01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 1: Pence spoke at Focus on the Families anniversary. He did, Yeah,

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01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 1: fences of Pences called Dobson a close personal friends. Yeah.

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01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 1: Then the Pence said these words about Focused on the

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01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 1: Family the organization quote. The truth is that Focused on

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01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:24,640
Speaker 1: the Family has been a force in American families, a

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01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 1: force for good for the past forty years. Millions of

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01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 1: families and families like mine are indebted to your work.

1417
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:33,559
Speaker 1: And let me assure you, there's one other family that's

1418
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 1: truly grateful for your work and for this great ministry.

1419
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 1: And I promise you Focused the Family. You have an

1420
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:44,800
Speaker 1: unwavering ally in President Donald Trump. Of course he does. Yep, real,

1421
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 1: real good. During this episode of Last Week Tonight, John

1422
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 1: Oliver talked about Pence speaking and Focus on the Famili's

1423
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 1: fourth anniversary event and highlighted both Pences and Focused on

1424
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 1: the Families history promoting gay conversion therapy, which has Pence

1425
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 1: did too. He ran on that platform in the nineties. Um, yeah,

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01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 1: which is why it really can learning about him for

1427
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,800
Speaker 1: gay issues even even more than Trump. I that's my thing. If, like,

1428
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 1: if Trump every gotten Peach and Pence was put in,

1429
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:07,679
Speaker 1: I'm kind of more scared of him for queer stuff,

1430
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 1: because Pence is legitimately terrifying on like the on the like,

1431
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 1: on the religious front, Mike Pence is It's like my

1432
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is the guy who I think is capable

1433
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 1: of wooing Americans into authoritarianism, but he's not a competent authoritarian.

1434
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 1: Mike Pence I don't think is capable of wooing, but

1435
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 1: he would be a competent authoritarian because Pence is called Dobson,

1436
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 1: like his greatest mentor and close friends, those kind of

1437
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:42,520
Speaker 1: stuff that's very scary, Like Dobson helped him get elected initially.

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01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 1: There's a strong case to be made that the most

1439
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 1: frightening thing about Trump is not Trump himself or even

1440
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 1: his MAGA people, but the degree to which he has

1441
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 1: empowered the dominionist Christian move Yeah, absolutely, which is which

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01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:57,600
Speaker 1: Dobson was a huge part of pioneering. So because of

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01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 1: John Oliver segment Um, this prompted a response from the

1444
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 1: head of Focus on the Family of the Now had

1445
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:06,679
Speaker 1: Who's Jim Daily quote the satirical late night talk show

1446
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 1: hosts secreed was not just vicious in tone, but also

1447
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 1: vulgar and vile in every sense of the word and way.

1448
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 1: So that was the response Focus on the Family had

1449
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 1: to John Oliver's segment about them, which I think was great. Um.

1450
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 1: But then also in the same statement further confirming the

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01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:25,759
Speaker 1: organization's continue to support a conversion therapy in a press

1452
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 1: statement saying quote, we support the counseling and availability of

1453
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 1: professional therapy options for unwanted homosexual attractions or behavior. So

1454
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:37,600
Speaker 1: that's what they said to press statement in response to

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01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 1: the last Last Week Tonight episode of Yeah. In the

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01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 1: last between the episode, John Oliver unveiled a new book

1457
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 1: his team had written about the Vice President's bunny Martlin

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01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 1: Bundo Um, who of course is actually gay. Um. With

1459
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:56,599
Speaker 1: all the profits going to the charities of AIDS United

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01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:59,599
Speaker 1: and the Trevor Project. The book sold more than uh

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01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:04,160
Speaker 1: told about two copies in the first two days, massively successful,

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01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:06,120
Speaker 1: A lot of money was donated. It was really good.

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01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 1: The Trevor Project does a fantastic work. Um. Yeah, it

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01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 1: was was a very good thing that John Oliver and

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01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 1: his team did there. At the time of this episode's

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01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:18,480
Speaker 1: publication of twenty states currently banned conversion therapy for miners,

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01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 1: including Colorado, which was a very recently in the past.

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01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:24,880
Speaker 1: In the past, I think a year Colorado bandit for

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01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 1: for miners, and that that's where focused on the family

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01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:31,200
Speaker 1: is based. Around twenty of US LGBT youth who have

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01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 1: been to conversion therapy have has attempted suicide within the

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01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:36,919
Speaker 1: past year, so like in the past twelve months, that's

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01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 1: that's happened, compared to twelve percent of of LGBT youth

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01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 1: who had not gone through conversion therapy, So it more

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01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 1: than doubles your chances of committing suicide if you attend

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01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:49,719
Speaker 1: l g FVVU ten conversion therapy as as a queer

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01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:52,680
Speaker 1: person or as a as a queer youth specifically, it's

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Speaker 1: morally identical to just firing a gun and do a

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Speaker 1: crowd of children. According to the San Francisco State University

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Speaker 1: um UH, because according to their their their study on

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Speaker 1: conversion therapy and and used to a queer youth um

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Speaker 1: LGBT youth that goes through conversion therapy can be eight

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Speaker 1: point four times more likely to report of having attempted suicide.

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Speaker 1: God Good God. Yeah, that's uh. That is five almost

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Speaker 1: six times more likely to report higher levels of depression, uh,

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Speaker 1: three and a half times more likely to report the

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Speaker 1: use of like illegal drugs for coping, and three and

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Speaker 1: a half times more likely, uh more likely to have

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Speaker 1: HIV and STDs for you know, all of those. It

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Speaker 1: just sounds to me, Garrison, like you're saying, all of

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Speaker 1: these are all the benefits of God's love. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's all I've written because that's all that's all I

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Speaker 1: could write before I started breaking down. Yeah, becoming unhealthy

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Speaker 1: out of mental Well yeah, well, enjoy this fun episode

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Speaker 1: everybody that Garrison wrote for you. It is he had

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Speaker 1: his chance to make a behind the Bastards episode and

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Speaker 1: he made it. Made me very sad. Um And normally

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Speaker 1: I make people sad while laughing manically because I've had

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Speaker 1: to deal with the depressing thing. And now I'm just

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Speaker 1: sad and Garrison's laughing. Yeah, and I understand the harm

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Speaker 1: that I've brought to the word now that I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to stop. Yeah, no, more of this, more of

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Speaker 1: this anyway. Um, Yeah, that's the episode. You're plugable, Actually

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Speaker 1: do not. First, I'm gonna I'm gonna plug the Trevor Project.

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01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 1: They do very good work on assistant queer used in

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Speaker 1: times of crisis. Um. Also, if you're in Britain, the

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Speaker 1: Mermaids Foundation is great for trans issues. I know there's

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Speaker 1: a few new trans hotlines in the States that I

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Speaker 1: need to I need to learn their numbers for them

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Speaker 1: because they're they're relatively new. Yeah, the Trevor Project is great.

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Speaker 1: Mermaids in the UK is great. Um, a whole bunch

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Speaker 1: of stuff that you can, you know, help for. There's

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01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:51,719
Speaker 1: oftentimes you'll see legislation going around to help ban conversion

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Speaker 1: therapy for minors. UM in your state, get involved with that.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the few things where legislation actually is possible.

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Speaker 1: I know there's a whole you know about voting or

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Speaker 1: not voting. If you're you should vote for that if

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Speaker 1: you see it happening, vote for that because it can

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Speaker 1: save a lot of kids lives. Yeah, that's the episode

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Speaker 1: real fun. Where can people follow you if you want

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01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:20,799
Speaker 1: to see me talk about crowd boys and the FEDS

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Speaker 1: and to your gas And I'm on Twitter on Twitter

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Speaker 1: several days ago tomorrow. I have an Instagram account, but

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Speaker 1: I've never used it. It's very it's completely blank. See

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Speaker 1: I told you only the youths have Instagrams and they

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Speaker 1: don't like to use them on Instagram, it's it's Nuckerberg.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to go on that. The

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Speaker 1: only social media apps or Twitter and the TikTok TikTok,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't have TikTok. Guys, it sounds like

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Speaker 1: it's a healthier social media platform than any of a

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Speaker 1: lot of great queer youth expressing themselves in healthy ways. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank god, we're banning it all. Alright, the episode is done.

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Speaker 1: M