1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Cool Media. 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to cool People who did cool stuff. 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 2: You're a weekly reminder that I have a podcast that 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 2: comes out more than once a week, and yet I 5 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 2: say weekly every single time. It's part of what I say, 6 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: and at this point, if I changed it, I would 7 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 2: probably get confused and end up rambling, which I'm certainly 8 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 2: not doing. I am your host, Margaret Kiljoy. My guest 9 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,319 Speaker 2: is Mango, who's the host of Part Time Genius. And 10 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 2: this is part two of a two parter that is 11 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: not really a two parter. It's two separate one parters, 12 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 2: but that's the way that I always introduce the show. 13 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 2: So here I am Wait. 14 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,599 Speaker 1: Wait, if you didn't listen to part one, you can 15 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: actually still start with part two, which is very different 16 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: than normal. 17 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 2: Oh that's true, Sick, It's true. It's your time to 18 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: shine backwards a week people. How are you doing today 19 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 2: on this day that is obviously the same day as 20 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 2: last time you're. 21 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 3: I'm having a great time. It's so nice to be 22 00:00:58,240 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 3: hang out with you and Sophie. 23 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I am excited. It's nice to have weeks where 24 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 2: it's just talking to people who are nice to talk to. 25 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 2: But I actually have a very nice job. I complain 26 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 2: about working a lot because it takes a lot of 27 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: work to make this thing, but it's a nice job. 28 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 2: It's just like I like talk to people who are 29 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 2: cool about shit that matters, and it's nice. 30 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: One day, I want to do this with both you 31 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: and Will if he ever ever has a free minute, 32 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: I want to do that. I think it would be 33 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: really fun. 34 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 3: That'd be super fun. Yeah, and he's really funny. 35 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: I know. 36 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: Well, i'd be like, hello, my boss's boss, how are you. Well, 37 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 2: I don't have a boss. I'm a freelancer, but so 38 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 2: if he's my boss. 39 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: Anyway, he's a really fun guy to get. Is it 40 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: a diet mountain dew? 41 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 2: Is that what he likes? 42 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: Is it regular mountain dew? 43 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 3: I forget diet montain. 44 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: I got it right, I get a diet mountain dew with. 45 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 2: Probably better. It's one of those things where like, I 46 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 2: don't know whatever, I'm not sureing to pine on sugar 47 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: soever this non sugar. 48 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 3: So that that's the problem. 49 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: A without having a podcast, as You're like, I want 50 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 2: to just like talk about random shit, and I'm like, no, 51 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 2: people are listening, and I don't have an opinion here 52 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 2: That anyone should care about. There's people who actually know 53 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,239 Speaker 2: about these things. But you know, I don't know. Whatever, drunk, 54 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: whatever you want, I don't care. So funny, So this 55 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 2: week we were talking about inventions made by people who 56 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 2: are participating in social struggles because I find it interesting. 57 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 2: The second invention I want to talk about instead of 58 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: talking about all of the other things that I could 59 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: talk about that people involved in social struggles have invented 60 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 2: that are complicated, is one that I think is probably good. 61 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 2: Air Mail seems like good, right, It seems neutral to me. 62 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: But I like the post office even more right now 63 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 2: now that I'm realizing they might get destroyed. 64 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, me too. Getting things in the mail is really wonderful. 65 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, And. 66 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 4: It would be really nice to get mail from people 67 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 4: who are in a city that is besieged by Prussians. 68 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 4: Don't you think like if you were like, oh, my 69 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 4: friends are in a city that's besieged by Prussians and 70 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 4: you're like, oh, I got a nice letter, you know, yeah, 71 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 4: what have you got like broken up with by someone 72 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 4: who's been in the city that's besieged by Prussians, I 73 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 4: feel like I'd be like, you could have waited. 74 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 2: I'm gonna sit that later. 75 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 76 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 2: So the second invention I want to talk about this 77 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 2: week is the result of another siege on a city, 78 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 2: but it is sixty years earlier, about eight hundred miles 79 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 2: further north, when the people of Paris, which is a 80 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 2: city in France, was besieged by Prussian forces, and they 81 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: invented air mail by using hot air balloons. And its inventor, 82 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 2: or at least the person who gets credit for inventing it, 83 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 2: is a socialite, a socialist, a celebrity photographer, and his 84 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 2: name is Nadare you've ever heard of this guy? You big? 85 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 2: Like history of photography nerd by any is like the 86 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 2: only avenue by which anyone would know this man. 87 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 3: No, I don't. I don't think so. I mean, I 88 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 3: can't imagine that I do know, But I'm fascinating. I 89 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 3: feel like you've picked all these multi hyphenits. 90 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 2: Oh yeah for the show. This is our last character 91 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: was a jack of all trades. Yeah, this person hates 92 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 2: what he is famous for because he doesn't want to 93 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 2: do the same job. 94 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 3: Huh. 95 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: We learned about him an eight year at history in 96 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: high school. He took portraits of people, am I. 97 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like the first celebrity fortograph. 98 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: Okay, oh wow, I just remember like big mustache photography 99 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: for something ease. 100 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, really good mustache. And he did a lot of 101 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 2: like natural light photography and he like he actually was 102 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 2: a really good photographer for something that's like portrait photography. 103 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 3: Mhm. 104 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 2: Is interesting. He also goes by just one name most 105 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: of the time. He also goes by Felix and a Dare. 106 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 2: We've talked about the Siege of Paris on this show 107 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 2: before in a series we did about the Paris Commune, 108 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 2: but that was years ago, and I think it's worth revisiting. 109 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: And I like how neatly it ties into the story 110 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: of foosball, because it's a story of people whose primary 111 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: love was the arts being totally willing to turn their 112 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 2: skills towards invention in community defense, all in a backdrop 113 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 2: of autocracy versus the republic, a struggle that is on 114 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 2: people's minds. Again. So you've got a country called France. 115 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 2: It's in Europe. It's a relatively famous country. I feel 116 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 2: like most people have heard. It would be nice to 117 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: be like not everyone needs to know about the countries 118 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 2: in Western Europe, you know, like that would be nice 119 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 2: to imagine, but unfortunately everyone is either from one of 120 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 2: those countries or from a place that was destroyed and 121 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 2: colonized by those countries. So yeah, it is what it 122 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 2: is in France in the nineteenth century, and it has 123 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 2: spent a lot of time going back and forth about 124 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 2: whether it was an empire or a public This was 125 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 2: a game it liked to play with itself by killing 126 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 2: it a lot of people. In eighteen forty eight, left 127 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 2: nationalist revolutions broke out all across Europe, and nationalism had 128 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 2: a again. Speaking of words at had really different meanings 129 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: at different times in different places. It sure matters whether 130 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 2: you're like a colonized person or a colonizing person when 131 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 2: you use the word nationalist. Right, So revolutions are breaking 132 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 2: out all across Europe, people being like I don't want 133 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: to be part of the empire. I want to be 134 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 2: my own thing, and also I would like to all 135 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 2: take care of each other in a socialist y way, 136 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 2: and that is all happening in eighteen forty eight. Most 137 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 2: of these revolutions failed, some of them are sort of successful. 138 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 2: In eighteen forty eight, France got rid of its king 139 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 2: and declared the Second French Republic. This is like I 140 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: held off learning the ins and outs of French revolutions 141 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 2: for so long because I was so annoyed about how 142 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 2: it's the only revolutions that anyone talk about, and less 143 00:06:53,360 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 2: the American Revolution. But eventually you learn about these things 144 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 2: and you start trying to figure out which Napoleon is which, 145 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 2: which is a very frustrating game. They declared the Second 146 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 2: French Republic, but they made a critical mistake. They let 147 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:15,239 Speaker 2: a Napoleon be their president, Louis Napoleon Bonaparte, who became 148 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 2: Napoleon the third. Most of the time, I now said, 149 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 2: I hate when I have to learn about the French Revolution. 150 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 2: But don't worry. It's entertaining. Everyone's entertained most of the time. 151 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 2: When people say Napoleon, they mean Napoleon the first. Can 152 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 2: you keep the Napoleons apart? Is this an important part 153 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 2: of your life? Do you spend a lot of time 154 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 2: thinking about the Napoleon's. 155 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 3: The only Napoleon I think about a lot is one 156 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 3: of the Napoleons had a brother named Joseph Napoleon, like 157 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 3: Joey Napoleon. Oh shit, and he came to New Jersey. 158 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 3: I think No, he lived in Jersey Shore, Pennsylvania. 159 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 2: He's just his name, Joe. 160 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like Joey Napoleon. 161 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Joe Napoleon. 162 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 3: He's the one I think about a lot. 163 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know about Joey Napoleon the short Sophie. 164 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 3: Do you know Jason English? 165 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: Of course, what a wonderful person. 166 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 3: Jason's the one who told me about Joey Napoleon, and 167 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 3: so we were always trying to figure out how to 168 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 3: make a show about joe Napoleon. 169 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: Funny another like, really lovely human, such a nice guy. 170 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 2: Jason, Well, he should just claim to be descended from 171 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 2: Joey Napoleon. I agree, do like, you know, one of 172 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 2: those like I'm getting in touch with my roots and 173 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 2: learning about, you know, in the same way that like 174 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 2: everyone who's like dad is a cult leader a serial 175 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 2: killer will do a podcast. I'm actually not disparaging that. 176 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 2: If your dad is a cult leader, a serial killer 177 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 2: and you can somehow try and scrape together some way 178 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 2: of dealing with it, I'm not mad. So Napoleon the 179 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 2: first is the main Napoleon, right, got the hat, he 180 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 2: hides the arm. He wasn't actually short that guy the Waterloo. 181 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 2: Abba wrote a song about him. It is the only 182 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 2: reason anyone knows. It's a very good song. And who 183 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 2: started off the leader of the first French Republic after 184 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 2: the French Revolution, which again, if people save the French Revolution, 185 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 2: they usually mean the first one of seventeen eighty nine. 186 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 2: Eventually he became emperor within a few years, by eighteen 187 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 2: oh four, and then he marched around conquering Europe and 188 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 2: eventually lost it in Waterloo. That's the first Napoleon. Napoleon 189 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 2: the second, Napoleon's kid doesn't really matter. He would never 190 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 2: actually ruled. He was like technically in charge, but not, 191 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 2: and then he wished he was in charge, and then 192 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,359 Speaker 2: he died of tuberculosis when he was twenty one years old. 193 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 2: Napoleon the Third is Napoleon's nephew. I hope he's the 194 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 2: one who's brothers with Joey. I just feel like it 195 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 2: could be a good story that way. Napoleon the third, 196 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 2: he's the one who matters to our story today. He 197 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 2: was elected president eighteen forty eight, and he's the first 198 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: ever president of France. And then in eighteen fifty one, 199 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 2: when the constitution said he couldn't be president again. He 200 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 2: was like, well, actually, I don't care what the constitution says, 201 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 2: I have an army. And he cooed himself and stayed 202 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: in power and became Emperor of the Second French Empire. 203 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 2: That's who's in charge. He's kind of a be nvolent 204 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 2: dictator to the French, and he's absolutely a shitty colonizing 205 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 2: monster to the overseas colonies. He is absolutely the kind 206 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 2: of guy to get his country dragged into wars that 207 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 2: can't handle Prussia. Later, Germany was getting too big for 208 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 2: its breeches, and France was like, actually, we like being 209 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 2: in charge of Europe, so let's have a dick measuring contest, 210 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 2: which we'll call the Franco Prussian War. Prussia under Auto 211 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 2: von Bismarck was like, yeah, fuck it, sure, I'm going 212 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 2: to win, and Auto von Bismarck was right. On July sixteenth, 213 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 2: eighteen seventy, France declared war. Within a couple of weeks, 214 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 2: they invented Prussia. Prussia was like, we actually have railroads 215 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 2: that go in both directions, and you all have railroads 216 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 2: that go in one direction, so we're going to win, 217 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 2: and they did. They steamrolled France and literally The railroad 218 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 2: thing was a big part of it. They also had 219 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 2: better guns and stuff, but the ability to send rail 220 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 2: roads in both directions instead of one direction is really important. Yeah, 221 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 2: they just had double tracks. Napoleon captured at the Battle 222 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 2: of Sedan, and without its emperor, the empire falls. The 223 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 2: Third French Republic is declared and elections are called for, 224 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 2: but they can't happen because the Prussian army marches on 225 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 2: Paris and lays siege to the capital of actually Versailles 226 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 2: might have been I don't remember. I think Versaill was 227 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 2: the capital at this point. Whatever, they lay siege to 228 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 2: the important city. They figured they'd storm the place, but 229 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 2: then they realized that the city had half a million 230 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: people defending it, and they were like, you know what, 231 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 2: let's wait outside. Let's just let's just hang out. The 232 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 2: National Guard is good in this story. 233 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: Interesting. 234 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, the national Guard was all of the working Again, 235 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 2: one lesson about stopping fascism is you arm the working class. Anyway. 236 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 2: Oh my god. It was even literally like you know, 237 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 2: have you seen that like Texas like come and take it, 238 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 2: cannon flag. Unfortunately, there's this like thing where like Texas 239 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 2: Second Amendment people are like come and take it, and 240 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: it's a picture of a cannon. 241 00:11:58,480 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 3: Huh. 242 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 2: One of the most import or like socialist radical things 243 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 2: in history was the Paris Commune. And it started with 244 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 2: the government trying to take the people's canons away, like 245 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 2: literal canons, and the people were like, nah, we're the 246 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 2: National Guard and we have the canons and you can't 247 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 2: take them. And then they took over their own city 248 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 2: and had a Paris Commune, and that's a different story 249 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 2: that I've already told a different time. Anyway, the Prussian 250 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 2: army marches on Paris, and the rich flee to their 251 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 2: estates outside the city, and the poor flood into the 252 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 2: city because they're looking for some modicum of safety. And 253 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: so the class composition of the city shifts dramatically. And 254 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 2: it matters because every adult male is conscripted into the 255 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 2: National Guard, and this means that the National Guard becomes 256 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 2: incredibly far left, which means the government is like, all right, 257 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 2: let's surrender the Prussians. We're surrounded. This isn't gonna work. 258 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 2: The National Guard was like, nah, fuck it, let's keep fighting. 259 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 2: And it's kind of wild that the people of the 260 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,319 Speaker 2: country were like, no, we want to hold out and 261 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 2: starve rather than give into the Prussians. 262 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 3: That's pretty incredible, yeah, I know. 263 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 2: And so a supplies cut off to the outside world, 264 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 2: everyone started running around and panicking and murdering each other, 265 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 2: just like every apocalypse movie you've ever seen, except actually 266 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 2: that didn't happen at all. When Paris was cut off 267 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 2: from the outside world, mutual aid centers popped up all 268 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 2: over the city, feeding everyone they could. There's soup kitchens everywhere. 269 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 2: Rents are suspended, people pitchin together to avoid starving. People 270 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 2: eat every animal in the city, including everything in the zoo. 271 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 2: That part's a little dark, yeah, but I'd probably eat 272 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 2: an elephant before dying. And I'm a vegan. And there 273 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 2: was a guy there and he was like, you know what, 274 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 2: I love hot air balloons. We should use hot air balloons. 275 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 2: And his name was Felix Nadir And he is really 276 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 2: interesting and he did a lot of shit first, like 277 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,719 Speaker 2: the first air photograph, the first underground photograph. He did 278 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 2: a lot of the developing in use of artificial light 279 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 2: for photography. He was one of the early political cartoonists. 280 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 2: He changed some of the way that political cartooning is done. 281 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 2: He actually political cartooning goes like eighty years prior to him, 282 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 2: but he worked at a humor magazine, which is part 283 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 2: of why I picked him for you. And he invented airmail, 284 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 2: and I'm grateful he went by just Nadair or Felix 285 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 2: Nadair rather than his birth name Gaspar Felix Torna Scholan 286 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 2: because I do not like pronouncing French because I am 287 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 2: bad at it, and now I feel bad making fun 288 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 2: of But I used to just be totally like whatever 289 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 2: them French. They can't pronounce the words just because it's funny, 290 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 2: they're not, I don't know whatever. But then I learned 291 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: recently that the reason that French has pronounced so differently 292 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 2: than all the other Romance languages. Have you heard this? 293 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 2: This is just I like random facts. It's probably because 294 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 2: of the indigenous Celtic pronunciation in Brittany. 295 00:14:58,280 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: Interesting. 296 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 2: So they were like, all right, we'll use your words, 297 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 2: but we use our pronunciation, and so now I feel 298 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 2: bad making fun of it, but I still can't pronounce 299 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 2: it correctly, So I'm glad he went by Nadair. And 300 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 2: much like Monday's Hero, the first thing that happened in 301 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 2: Nadair's life, inundated with advertising, just washed over it, baptized 302 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 2: in advertising, much like we are about to be baptized 303 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 2: by these ads. Yeah, these ads are really important. We 304 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 2: handpicked them for spiritual value. Oh anyway, here's ads and 305 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 2: we're back. Felix Nadair was born in eighteen twenty in 306 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 2: Paris into a fairly wealthy family, ninety nine years before 307 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 2: our last hero. He's born into a fairly wealthy family. 308 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 2: His dad was a printer and a publisher who could 309 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 2: read eight languages and had fought in the First French Revolution. 310 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 2: He's like where the word liberal comes from. You know. 311 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 2: He is like this, like progressive, I want a republic, 312 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 2: I'm willing to fight. I'm an upper middle class white 313 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 2: man guy, you know. 314 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 3: Uh. 315 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 2: His dad loved liberty more than he loved being good 316 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 2: at business, and his publisher that he ran went under 317 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 2: in eighteen thirty three. Young Felix did well in school 318 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 2: most of the time, and he was always trying to 319 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 2: impress his dad. All of the people who psychoanalyze this 320 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 2: man are like daddy issues because he loved his dad. 321 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 2: I dislike the way that people analyze people about that. 322 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 2: I think he had a nice family and he liked 323 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 2: his dad. His dad was pretty warm to him. He 324 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 2: was also though constantly getting in trouble. His dad probably 325 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 2: wouldn't have fucking snitched him out for stealing a gold bracelet, 326 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 2: but he absolutely would have stolen a gold bracelet. He 327 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 2: was kicked out of school because he blew up the 328 00:16:58,480 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 2: stove with fireworks. 329 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 3: Oh wow. 330 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,239 Speaker 2: Nada is like, I'm kind of annoyed by how much 331 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 2: I see myself and this guy who died like a 332 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 2: long time ago, who was like this has some ups 333 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 2: and downs. He was super in love with Romanticism and art, 334 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 2: like the Romantics as like an art movement, and his 335 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 2: hero was future friend of the Pod the Black author 336 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 2: Alexandre Duma, who wrote The Three Musketeers, which I read 337 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 2: in middle school and then apparently went around telling I 338 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 2: was talking to one of my old middle school friends 339 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 2: and she was like, yeah, you came up to me 340 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 2: and were like, I read an eight hundred and thirty 341 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 2: page book last weeks, so you I know. And all 342 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 2: I remember about that book is that they ride the 343 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 2: horses to death, and I'm like that seems bad. 344 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 345 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: Anyway, Nadair's dad died in eighteen thirty seven, when young 346 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:56,959 Speaker 2: Felix was about seventeen or so and Nadair he's been 347 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 2: kicked out of school and he's like, you know what, 348 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go to med school. So he goes to 349 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 2: med school for a while, he studied mental illness and 350 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 2: eventually they were like, but you didn't actually finish your 351 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 2: bachelor's you can't actually be here, and he was like, ah, fuck, 352 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 2: I don't want to go back to undergrad. So he 353 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 2: just became a college dropout bohemian guy. Like the original 354 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 2: bohemian era was like I think eighteen thirties forties France. Well, 355 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 2: actually the original bohemia is a part of what I 356 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 2: believe now the Czech Republic, but the Western Europeans like 357 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 2: taking something that seems exotic and calling it their name 358 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 2: of their lifestyle, so they were the Bohemians at this point. 359 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 2: He's like a cool, subcultural homeless guy, right, and he 360 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 2: starts talking in like basically thieves can't. That was popular 361 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 2: at the time where the people who like hated authority 362 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,959 Speaker 2: had this way of talking in a fake medieval French 363 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 2: what yeah, yeah, no. I was always like, how did 364 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 2: this guy get this name? And almost every source is like, ah, 365 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 2: you know, he just added the nonsense syllable dar to 366 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 2: the end of his name, like no. He was speaking 367 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 2: a subcultural lingo where everyone adds were like dared or 368 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 2: dar to the end of all of their words. 369 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 3: Huh. 370 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 2: And he was also embarrassed because he had a bougie 371 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 2: last name, so he started going by first Tornidar, and 372 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,719 Speaker 2: then he shortened it to just Nadar. And he bummed 373 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 2: around for ten years. This is literally what I did, 374 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 2: is I dropped out of college and bummed around of 375 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 2: being involved in protest movements and living in squads and 376 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 2: like sleeping out rough and not using money and whatever. 377 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 2: And so he did this like one hundred and seventy 378 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 2: years before me. From eighteen to twenty eight, he would 379 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: go from house to house. He would shack up with 380 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 2: whoever caught his fancy. He would make his tiny living 381 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 2: writing and drawing cartoons. And later he would write about 382 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 2: how people saw the bohem in life and romanticized it, 383 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 2: but he was like, actually it sucked. It was just hard, 384 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 2: like huh. And the deprivation that he suffered became sufferable 385 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 2: when he did it with friends and with art and 386 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 2: they would all rent some cheap room together for a 387 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 2: while until the landlord figured out they weren't paying rent, 388 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 2: and then you get thrown out. And he would like 389 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 2: make pipes out of wood he found in the parks 390 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 2: in the city and sell the pipes. And all of 391 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 2: these bohemians they're all socialists of a proto socialist type, 392 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 2: like modern socialism would get defined later in the century. 393 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 2: And at some point during all this he gets to 394 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 2: meet his hero Duma, and he starts getting slowly more work. 395 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 2: He's writing theater reviews. He does paste up layout basically 396 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 2: for various newspapers, which was literally my career. I made 397 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 2: my tiny living while living in a van doing layout 398 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 2: for books and magazines. 399 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 3: Huh. 400 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 2: It's unnerving, yeah, anyway, and he makes a little bit 401 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 2: of money here and there. He's actually despite king of 402 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 2: revolutionized photography, to the point where people study him centuries 403 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 2: after he died. He was successful, but he was never rich. 404 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 2: Soon enough, he's editing newspapers, he's doing journalism, he's drawing caricatures, 405 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 2: and he's doing whatever's necessary for publication. How old does 406 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 2: he know, he's like in his early twenties, mid twenties. Okay, Yeah, 407 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 2: the cops are after him a lot. By the time 408 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 2: he's twenty three. The police wrote about him as quote 409 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,719 Speaker 2: one of those dangerous sorts who spreads the most subversive 410 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 2: doctrines throughout the Latin Quarter. And I had to do 411 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 2: digging to find his political affiliations because people just want 412 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 2: to talk about his use of natural light and the 413 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 2: way he posed people. Every political artist has their political 414 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 2: views stripped from them by history. This man was not 415 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 2: subtle in what he believed in, but it took the 416 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 2: deep dive to find any of it. He believed in 417 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 2: a humanist socialism and a morality of the heart. He 418 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 2: believed in socialist democracy over capitalist monarchy. He hated the 419 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 2: rich politicians, even as he like celebrated. He got really 420 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 2: into like celebrity culture and being kind of a socialite 421 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 2: a little bit, I think, although kind of always just 422 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 2: like as a weird guy, you'd rather like fly hot 423 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 2: air balloons. But whenever he had to like photograph politicians 424 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 2: and the rich, he was just like real unhappy about it. 425 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 2: And he was a romantic. He's at the tail end 426 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 2: of the romantic movement, but he was writing short fiction 427 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 2: and like books and stuff for a long time. As 428 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 2: wasn't what he's remembered for but he always wanted to 429 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 2: write in ways that would offer hope to the reader. 430 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 2: That was like a specific thing that he was trying 431 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 2: to do, which annoys me because that's what I do. 432 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 2: Get your own shtick. In an air, one friend referred 433 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 2: to his invincible good humor and that he was quote 434 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 2: like the cheerful music of our misery. He made friends 435 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 2: for life, and he was fiercely loyal. I honestly like, 436 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 2: this is another man where I was expecting him to 437 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 2: kind of turn. He is going to I'll talk about 438 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 2: his marriage in a little bit. 439 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 3: Mac. 440 00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: Parent just wanted you to let you know that you're 441 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: like the truthful music of our misery. 442 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 3: Oh thanks. 443 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 2: I always want to be like, hey, it's actually miserable 444 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 2: right now, but what can we do about it? You know? 445 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,479 Speaker 1: I mean that would just be your invincible good humor. 446 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, fair enough, thank you. It took a long 447 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 2: time to find. So he gets arthritis young, he's plagued 448 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 2: with his whole life, but he aggressively keeps up a 449 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 2: lust for life. At some point when he was like 450 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 2: twenty five, he was in a duel and I wish 451 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 2: I knew more than that sentence it might have been 452 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 2: about money, my conjecture, because he aggressively avoided pain rent 453 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 2: and eventually he's going to go to debtors prison, which 454 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 2: I'm very glad it's not a thing anymore. His time 455 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 2: in prison in eighteen fifty is going to turn him 456 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 2: into an aggressive advocate for prison reform. And when the 457 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 2: revolution broke out in eighteen forty eight and people of 458 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 2: France went to the barricades and ended the monarchy, he 459 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 2: didn't fight on the barricades, and he is mad at 460 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 2: him himself about that. He is like, why didn't I 461 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:05,719 Speaker 2: do it? And he kind of talks about being like 462 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,239 Speaker 2: I was kind of caught up doing my own like 463 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 2: young dumb shit, you know. Like So for a brief moment, 464 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 2: this new government seems revolutionary and socialist. It's going to 465 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 2: go right wing very quickly. But when this ostensibly revolutionary 466 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 2: government puts together a force of Polish exiles to go 467 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 2: fight for Polish freedom, two hundred frenchmen volunteered to go 468 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 2: with them, and a Dare goes with them. So he 469 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 2: marches off to war with the like socialist polls to 470 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 2: go free Poland from Austria Hungary. I have covered this 471 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 2: before on the show, and I couldn't tell you. I 472 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 2: think it's Austrian and Hungarian empire. And he writes to 473 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 2: his friend he says he wanted to join quote I 474 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 2: thought I could be good for something. And so he 475 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 2: kind of knows that he's just like, this is a 476 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 2: fuck up artist guy, you know. And his father had 477 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,239 Speaker 2: fought in a re and he had sat out his 478 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 2: own generation's revolution, and then he wrote, quote, it is 479 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 2: very difficult to get killed usefully. 480 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 3: And that is the. 481 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 2: Most like twenty five year old leftist thing I've ever 482 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 2: read in my life. 483 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 3: An amazing quote. 484 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all the polls and the French folks get 485 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 2: arrested and the French volunteers are freed and send back 486 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 2: to Paris on foot. Nadir became a spy in Germany 487 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 2: for the French Revolutionary Army for a while, and then 488 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 2: he returned to France and it was going right wing 489 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 2: and fast, and so he was like, I don't like 490 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 2: this Napoleon guy. I don't think we should elect him. 491 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 2: And he joined a paper that was basically just trying 492 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 2: to make sure that Napoleon the Third wouldn't get elected 493 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 2: because that dude was right wing. As fuck, and Nadir 494 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 2: drew political cartoons against the right wing, which meant that 495 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 2: the paper he worked for got censored by the new government, 496 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 2: by the new president when Napoleon gets elect did and 497 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 2: so at this point, Nadair's like, I guess I'm gonna 498 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 2: be a characterature artist for a living. He's not great 499 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 2: at his job because he's too headed in the clouds, 500 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 2: he's too political, and he's not always great at the 501 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 2: business side of art. But he's still a freelance artist. 502 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: You know. 503 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 2: He takes on too many jobs. He's late for all 504 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 2: of them. Meanwhile, he's caring for his mother the whole time. 505 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 2: He apparently lives with a large number of animals, like 506 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 2: it's called a menagerie, and I don't know what they 507 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 2: are or were, and I'm also sad about that. I 508 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 2: also am frustrated at my own desire to learn foreign languages, 509 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 2: primarily so I can do research about obscure figures in 510 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 2: history instead of communicate with the people who live in 511 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 2: the world around me. But I'm like, if I had 512 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 2: enough time, I would learn enough French just to read 513 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 2: more and find out what animals this man lived with. 514 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 2: The Republic becomes the Empire Alla Star Wars. Yeah, like 515 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 2: to the point where I kind of think that might 516 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 2: be what they were drawing from with Star Wars, that 517 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 2: this is not the first time that the French Republic 518 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 2: is going to become an empire. So political caricature becomes 519 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 2: an impossible business under the empire, and so he decides 520 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 2: He's like, I'm going to do this grand art project 521 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 2: where I'm going to draw one thousand artists. The pantheon 522 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 2: of artists is called the Pantheon. He's going to have 523 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 2: them all come sit for caricatures, which is really funny 524 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 2: because the characatures are like this like mocking thing, right, Yeah, 525 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 2: but he was drawing them of people he loved and respected, 526 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: and he wasn't afraid to draw himself in the same 527 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 2: mocking way. He didn't ever finish this work, and the 528 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,239 Speaker 2: loans he took out for it were running out. He 529 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 2: takes the rest of the loan and he sets up 530 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 2: a photography studio kind of for his younger brother, but 531 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 2: then his starts doing it with his brother, and his 532 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 2: brother starts going by Nadair, which doesn't make him happy. Sure, 533 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 2: and basically the two are going to sue each other 534 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 2: like tried constantly to be like, could you just stop 535 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 2: stealing my name? And he's like, no, I'm different. I'm 536 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 2: the Dare young Like I'm the Dare the younger or whatever. 537 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 3: But two Gallaghers? 538 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 2: Is there more than one Gallagher? Yeah? 539 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 3: I think there are two people that toured as Gallagher and. 540 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 2: They're both just smashing watermelons and somehow that's funny. Did 541 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 2: one of them find a way to make it funny? Sorry, 542 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 2: I Gallagher might be funny. I don't know. All I 543 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 2: know is he smashes watermelons. 544 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 3: They they smash watermelons, and. 545 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 2: Not in a non binary way but in a double. 546 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so funny. 547 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 2: Goddamn eventually, and it's it's funny because like, this chunk 548 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 2: of his life is like what half of the shit 549 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 2: I can find is about his lawsuits of this brother, 550 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 2: which I kind of don't care about the important part 551 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 2: from my point of view. Nd Air wins in court. 552 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 2: He tries to not go to court, but his brother's 553 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 2: like nah, and the Air wins in court and wins 554 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 2: the right to be the sole person publishing isn't a 555 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 2: Dare And one of his first subjects is an eighteen 556 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 2: year old he is going to marry named Ernestine when 557 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 2: he's thirty four years old, and it's just the style 558 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 2: at the time. I don't know what to say about that. 559 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 2: Whenever that should happen. She's an adult and she's religious 560 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 2: and she's Protestant, and he doesn't invite his friends to 561 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 2: the wedding. This is seen as like his break with 562 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 2: his youth. But he loves her. As far as I 563 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 2: can tell, they are going to grow old together. He 564 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 2: is going to outlive her. He is going to like 565 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 2: caretake her when she's paralyzed. He photographs her entire life 566 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 2: in like the most loving ways. Long after he hates photography, 567 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 2: and so I'm kind of like, yeah, he fell in love. 568 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 2: The age gap of people in the past is a 569 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 2: thing that comes up a lot anytime you cover any 570 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 2: people in history. Yeah, he becomes famous as a photographer 571 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 2: now that he is this studio set up, and his 572 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 2: thing is is that he only uses natural Eventually he's 573 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 2: going to have to use our official lights sometimes, but 574 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 2: during his peak years he only us natural light I 575 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 2: think coming in through the window. And he has none 576 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 2: of the weird props that other studios have where they're 577 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 2: like propped up on a Greco Roman column and whatever, 578 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 2: you know, and he he chats and connects with each 579 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 2: subject to photograph them honestly, and it comes across like, 580 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 2: you know, people talk about I kind of hate the 581 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 2: line between craft and art, like I don't really care 582 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 2: where that line is, and I think that people elevate 583 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 2: art too highly and look down on craft. But I 584 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 2: see it that his portraitures his art. And a lot 585 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 2: of if you look at photos of like old celebrities, 586 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 2: and also like half of the socialists or whatever that 587 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 2: I cover on the show, they're all photographed by this guy, 588 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 2: and he photographs women more naturally than other men do. 589 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 2: And then there's this whole thing and I can't source 590 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 2: this because it happened the last time I looked him up, 591 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 2: and I couldn't find it this time. There's this whole thing. 592 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 2: He always is photographing men with their hand and their 593 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 2: pants pocket, and apparently that's like a sexy thing. And 594 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 2: so he's photographing men sexy because their hands near their dick, 595 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 2: and so there's kind of a like Isnader gay vibe 596 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 2: going on too, you know, But he photographs women a 597 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 2: lot more naturally than other male photographers do. And he 598 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 2: also started doing gender analysis about beauty standards out of 599 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 2: his photography. This man is so fucking cool. Basically, like 600 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 2: people kept saying that it's now is that like women 601 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 2: are so obsessed with how they look and blah blah blah, right, 602 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 2: and he's basically able to be like well, quote nine 603 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 2: times out of ten, I would say eleven times out 604 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 2: of ten, you will see that the wife is absorbed 605 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 2: by the portraits of her husband, while the husband no 606 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 2: less hypnotized, but by his own image, seems miles away 607 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 2: from even thinking of the image of his other half, 608 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 2: and like he's doing fucking gender nosts whatever. And he's 609 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 2: obsessed with ballooning. This is the other, completely, the other 610 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 2: random part of his life. He is obsessed with hot 611 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 2: air balloons. But he knows the real trick is that 612 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 2: eventually we have to invent heavier than aircraft, and he 613 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 2: tries to help people invent it. It doesn't succeed. He thinks 614 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 2: that the helicopter is the way to go. In eighteen 615 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 2: fifty eight, he takes the first successful aerial photograph because 616 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 2: he has to figure out there's like the problem where 617 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 2: like the gases being off gas from the balloons. We're 618 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 2: fucking up all of the photos, and he like solves 619 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 2: all this shit. He's tethered two hundred and sixty two 620 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 2: feet in the air outside of Paris. That photo has 621 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 2: been lost, so the oldest surviving aerial photograph is from 622 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 2: two years later, a guy taking a picture in Boston. 623 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 2: His love affair for ballooning ate up all of the 624 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 2: money he made at the studio. He was obsessed. His 625 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 2: friend Victor Hugo supporting his efforts about air travel and 626 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,959 Speaker 2: about hot air balloons, and wrote, quote, it is the 627 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 2: abolition of all boundaries. It is the destruction of separation. 628 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 2: It is the prodigious, peaceful revolution. And like, I love 629 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 2: how I enteenth century people were like, oh, we're going 630 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 2: to invent this thing, and finally humanity will be united. 631 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 2: You know. 632 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there is romance and the idea of 633 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 3: like you know, not having boundaries and being able to 634 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 3: like escape the earth, you know, yeah, pretty wonderful, and. 635 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 2: You can like meet people from all over the world 636 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 2: so much more easily, and you can like you know, 637 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 2: like nothing destroys bigotry, like just actually meeting people. 638 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 3: There's like an effect that people in space feel right, 639 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 3: like when they look on Earth and they suddenly feel 640 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 3: like more appreciative of the world when they see it 641 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 3: from a distance. Yeah, yeah, and of humanity, And like 642 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 3: I wonder if like there's an early aspect of that 643 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 3: as well. 644 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 2: That makes sense. But do you know what I find 645 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 2: really helps me see the best in humanity? 646 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 3: What is that? 647 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 2: It's the products and services that support this show. All 648 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 2: of them bring joy to my heart. 649 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 3: How can I learn more about them? 650 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 2: Well, you're in luck because here they are. And Rebeck 651 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 2: so Nadair lives in Paris, does not leave when the 652 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 2: Prussians are coming and is under siege. When Paris is 653 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 2: under siege, Nadir is like, all right, we're going to 654 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 2: use hot air balloons to get mail out of the city. 655 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 2: They can't get mail into the city this way, so 656 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 2: it is one way letters. So you know, someone writes 657 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 2: you from besieged Paris and says they're breaking up with you. 658 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,879 Speaker 2: It's the final word. You don't get to write them back. 659 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 2: To use hot air balloons to get mail out of 660 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 2: the city past the Prussian guns. Also, they use balloons 661 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 2: to spy on enemy movements, although that would happen more 662 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 2: during the Paris Commune, which happened shortly thereafter. Sixty six 663 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 2: flights made it out carrying millions of letters. Nine balloons 664 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 2: didn't make it out, and we're taken down and I 665 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 2: believe by the enemy. And this is how air mail 666 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 2: is invented. Wow, is I want to get letters out? 667 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 3: That's incredible. 668 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 2: And after the siege of Paris and then later the 669 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 2: Paris Commune, which I've covered at length, which kind of 670 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 2: sets up a lot of the distinctions between types of 671 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 2: leftists in the modern world, and also that people can 672 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 2: try and take care of themselves and control their city. 673 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 2: After that, Nadair helps organize the first Impressionist exhibition, which 674 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 2: takes place at his studio. His wife, Ernestine, was bed 675 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 2: ridden with partial paralysis starting in eighteen eighty seven. She 676 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 2: lives for about another ten years or so, and he 677 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 2: takes really sweet photographs of her, the last studies he 678 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 2: ever took. There's like these photos of her holding violets 679 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 2: against her mouth, and they're my favorite of his photos. 680 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 2: They're just showing it's like love of people who've been 681 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 2: together for decades, and like, if you look really closely, 682 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 2: you can figure out that these are probably photos of 683 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,359 Speaker 2: her in bed and they don't look like it, and 684 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 2: like it's all done with the lighting. Like I don't know. 685 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 2: He just he lived this kind of amazing life where 686 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,439 Speaker 2: he lived this like wild youth and he settles down, 687 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 2: but he doesn't change as a person fundamentally, you know. 688 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:19,399 Speaker 2: And he's like participating in like the politics of the era. 689 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 2: He's participating in the art world. Oh and the whole 690 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 2: thing that I barely covered is that all of the 691 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 2: shit he's famous for is about six years. That's how 692 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 2: long he ran this studio. He was like, I hate this, 693 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 2: I hate doing this. He wants to just balloon and 694 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 2: do weird shit. He also took the first photographs of 695 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 2: the Catacombs. It's like the first underground photos were taken 696 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 2: by him. He photographs the catacombs by using artificial light. 697 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 2: Wildly important in art history of a photographic history. But 698 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 2: he wrote constantly being like by doing the same thing 699 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 2: every day, I am destroying my soul. And he called 700 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 2: himself a jack of all trades. He was like, this 701 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 2: is the death of a jack of all trades. But 702 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 2: he's also really good at it. 703 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 3: It's so funny because like he's so clearly like wants 704 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 3: his life to have meaning, right, Like he talks about 705 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:08,319 Speaker 3: that like as a you know, wanting to die for 706 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 3: how hard it is to die for a cause or whatever. 707 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 2: Die usefully? 708 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 3: Uh huh yeah, And yet like so much of what 709 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 3: he wants to do is like be in a hot 710 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,360 Speaker 3: air balloon and like like you know, and yeah, you 711 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 3: can see how like maybe the photography just feels too 712 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 3: simple for him or something, even though he's good at it. 713 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 2: Totally, I think that's it. And like his son takes 714 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 2: over the studio after he retires from it, and he 715 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 2: outlives most of his friends as well as his wife, 716 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,439 Speaker 2: and he dies in nineteen ten at ninety years old. 717 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 2: And it's like, I'm glad he didn't find a way 718 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 2: to die usefully when he was twenty eight years old, 719 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 2: you know, even though it's like going to go try 720 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,879 Speaker 2: and fight in a war of liberation as a noble cause, right, 721 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 2: But like, I'm glad he survived and got to do 722 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,399 Speaker 2: so many other things, and you know, maybe all get 723 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 2: so lucky and live to be ninety after are reinventing 724 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 2: so many things and trying to participate in making the 725 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 2: world a better place by whatever means. 726 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 3: We know how I feel really excited that, like I 727 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 3: get to go discover his photography now, you know, like 728 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 3: that wasn't something I knew about before. 729 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 2: If this was more of a visual thing, I would 730 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 2: just screen share it. But it's worth looking up. It's 731 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 2: just na da r and some of us like, yeah, 732 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 2: that's a portrait. That's a guy, you know, but once 733 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 2: you like looking into the eyes of the subjects. And 734 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,360 Speaker 2: then also yeah, like looking up the photos of Ernestine. 735 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,839 Speaker 2: Any Like, I don't know, I get excited about wife 736 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,800 Speaker 2: guys in history. It's like a thing because like often 737 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,360 Speaker 2: you cover historical men and they are not great to 738 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,800 Speaker 2: the people who are like supporting them and helping them 739 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 2: live their lives, and you know, ye should be their 740 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 2: partner an equal in their life. And so I get 741 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 2: it's kind of awful because then I end up being 742 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,760 Speaker 2: like really excited about like wife guys. But then I'm 743 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 2: very rarely like, ah, here's a husband lady, you know, 744 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,040 Speaker 2: but I still I get excited. And who knows, I 745 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 2: don't know. I haven't read her journals. I don't fucking know. 746 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 2: But anyway, that's an air that's the invention of airmail, 747 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,440 Speaker 2: and like half of the photographic shit in history and 748 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 2: why hot air balloons are kind of cool even though 749 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 2: I will probably never go in one. That sounds terrifying, 750 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 2: the idea of like I'm gonna go flying and I 751 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,920 Speaker 2: don't know where it's gonna go, Like what a chaos 752 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 2: method of travel. 753 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 3: Also the landing seem rough, like, yeah, he looks so 754 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:28,879 Speaker 3: gorgeous in the air, and then like the way they 755 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 3: like bounce around on the ground in places that you 756 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 3: don't know where you're gonna land, like it just feels yeah. 757 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 2: Oh, both him and his I didn't cover, like because 758 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,240 Speaker 2: most of the things about him cover his photography really extensively, 759 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,359 Speaker 2: and his hot air balloons really extensively, and those are cool. 760 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,320 Speaker 2: But he built one called the Giant, this hot air balloon, 761 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 2: and he would like take people up on like tourists 762 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 2: and where he would like bring cold chicken and tea 763 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,320 Speaker 2: or something I can't remember. But then during one of 764 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 2: the landings of the Giant, both him and Ernestine I 765 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 2: believe were injured. 766 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,839 Speaker 3: No, yeah, I. 767 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,880 Speaker 2: Probably won't end up in a hot air balloon. Maybe 768 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 2: I'll never say never that one. Either of you ever 769 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 2: been in a hot air balloon? 770 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: No, absolutely not. 771 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:11,240 Speaker 2: It sounds horrible. 772 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 3: I think. I think my parents took us to like 773 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 3: a festival. I feel like, either in North Carolina or 774 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,799 Speaker 3: like New Mexico or something, and I remember seeing like 775 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 3: a whole bunch of hot air balloons like together, but 776 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 3: I've never been in one. 777 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 2: It's no for me, dog. Yeah, fair enough. Well, here 778 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 2: we are at the end. Anything you want to. 779 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,319 Speaker 3: Plug, Yeah, totally. We just brought this new show onto 780 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,319 Speaker 3: our network. It's called No Such Thing, and it's three 781 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 3: really sweet friends who ask a question and argue and 782 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 3: then go out and do the research for it. So 783 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,800 Speaker 3: like one of the questions they asked, was our city 784 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 3: dogs happier than suburban dogs or which way? 785 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:50,880 Speaker 2: What's the answer? 786 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,280 Speaker 3: Well, you should listen because it's a crop. 787 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,360 Speaker 2: I think country dogs are the happiest. Just that's my guess. 788 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,879 Speaker 3: Well, but also like why tosani tastes so different from 789 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:02,920 Speaker 3: other water and. 790 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,719 Speaker 1: It was deep in pandemic times the only water that 791 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 1: was always available because nobody wanted it. 792 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't it like slightly salted or something? It's aid. 793 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, they did like water testing and it came back 794 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,840 Speaker 1: like really acidic, and everybody was like, wait a second. 795 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 2: Well, hopefully that wasn't our main sponsor today, and if 796 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 2: it was, acid is good. What do I got to plug? 797 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,719 Speaker 2: I have a substack. Everyone knows that I talk about 798 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 2: it all the time, but I post almost every week 799 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 2: and I try to do the hopeful misery or however 800 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 2: it was phrased. That's a thing. You can google my name. 801 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,840 Speaker 2: We'll find it, Sophie. 802 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 1: Cool Zonemedia dot com. 803 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:53,800 Speaker 3: Hell yeah, awesome. 804 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,680 Speaker 2: Oh and Coolzone Media book Club has its own feed now, 805 00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,520 Speaker 2: and you probably heard that because there's a little thing 806 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 2: interjected into it. But I I'll run another podcast called 807 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 2: cool Zone Media book Club Every Sunday comes out on 808 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,040 Speaker 2: this feed. But you're like, I don't want to learn history. 809 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,400 Speaker 2: I just want to hear Margaret read me bedtime stories, 810 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 2: which aren't planned as bedtime stories. 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