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Speaker 1: before the New Year because one, I really like sarahcu

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Speaker 1: to im breaking through barriers right. Um, there have been

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429
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Speaker 1: the play person? Yes, it was Dave Kaplan. It was

430
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Speaker 1: Dave Kaplan. I also called some. It's funny we UM

431
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 1: did some. I did some high school games as well

432
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: with Eric Collins, who is the play by play voice

433
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,919
Speaker 1: UM play by play voice of the Charlotte Hornets. And

434
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 1: he always jokes about that because he used to call

435
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 1: some of my high school and college games. And then

436
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: one of my first high school games I did was

437
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:27,959
Speaker 1: also with him. My first two UR I was still playing.

438
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: I did a guy named Pete Jerseys who used to

439
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:36,919
Speaker 1: run ESPN Regional. Uh. He and Sean Murphy gave me

440
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 1: to TCU games. My first game was TCU Butler at Hinkle.

441
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: That's a good games. Sad was the coach of Yes,

442
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: his dad's your but in his first run Yeah, and uh,

443
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 1: Hinkle had not been redone. It was before the kind

444
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 1: of Butler thing really took off. Um. Scott Robisch, who

445
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: had been my teammate and close friend of Oaklham State,

446
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,479
Speaker 1: was playing it. But like that's the weird one. Was

447
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 1: calling the game of a guy who you played with

448
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 1: right at Oaklahoma State. Like You're like, yeah, this is

449
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 1: my friend. I could tell you a lot of little

450
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: details about him that no one would ever want to

451
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 1: share on television, right, Um, so I did. I did

452
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Speaker 1: the Paul Butler and then I did I mean see

453
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 1: me at TCU Butler and then I did TCU Texas

454
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: Tech in Port Worth and um Estri was my my

455
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 1: host both times. He's a huge he's the TCU guy.

456
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 1: And then I was having beer a beer with Peters

457
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: invite me up to his hotel room with a couple

458
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: other guys. It was like a suite and Fort Worth

459
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 1: was an event, and you know, he was like, you

460
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: know you should do this, blah blah blah. I mean

461
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 1: when I got back to my hotel room and the

462
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: red light in my phone was blinking and I got

463
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: offered to play with the Salina Rattlers and the I

464
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Speaker 1: B A and but I had to leave the next

465
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Speaker 1: morning and then play two nights in Des Moines and

466
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,719
Speaker 1: then travel and so I did that. So I I

467
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: left the chance to do games, then came back. My

468
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: first ESPN game was with I know, you know him

469
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: what you know him as Dave reston the Big Ten Network.

470
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: And this is the part that I'm interested in for you.

471
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: We did our first game. We did a little tournament deal.

472
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: It was Colorado and u n C Charlotte back when

473
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Speaker 1: you UNC Charlotte was very good, and we did we

474
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: did a double header. We get in the car and

475
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: are the guy who hired me is getting Dan Steer

476
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 1: And Dan was really good with feedback. But it was

477
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: really honest with feedback. And you know, I've done like

478
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: two games before, and I've done an audition for ESPN.

479
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 1: I've gotten off for these games. And Rever is the

480
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: most prepared human being I've ever been around. But it

481
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: was his first ESPN games as well. And I never

482
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,719
Speaker 1: forget this. We're driving around, were in Charlotte. We're going

483
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: to have a bite to eat after which we did.

484
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,479
Speaker 1: The games were like I feel like conquering heroes and

485
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 1: he's like, what do you think? So Steer calls us

486
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: and put him on speaker. He's like, what do you think? Right? Man?

487
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 1: We be killed it. It It was great. He's like, now

488
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: you guys are fucking terrible. You know, Doug, You Doug,

489
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: you talked too much. You talk at the wrong times

490
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: and never like too much information lessons more. Anyway, when

491
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 1: you did your games, did you get feedback? Yeah, I

492
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: got honest feedback. I also think to doing it. So

493
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: the things that I did or one it was the

494
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: very very first thing I did was in that analyst

495
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: role because you just played, Hey, you're gonna call a game.

496
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: You're gonna call women's basketball game. But then as I

497
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: started to do more and try and piece things together,

498
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: it was, oh, we think you could be a sideline

499
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: reporter on you know, I do college football games, which

500
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: that I knew real well or you know, different than

501
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 1: it became the MLS games, and it became indoor lacrosse,

502
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: and it became NHL stuff, And it always different processes

503
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: of where I was at in terms of understanding won

504
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: the game, the sport, and to the actual TV mechanics

505
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: behind it. And so I feel like I but I

506
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 1: say that to say I was also in the Chicago

507
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: market and like, in some ways it was amazing because

508
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: I was in a place where people had known me.

509
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: So I got some opportunities, um, which I'm super grateful

510
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: and thankful for. But it's also I would get crushed

511
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 1: on the radio or people would say, you know, when

512
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: I started to do more things that were of of

513
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: higher attention or bigger you know, bigger type games or

514
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: or events. Um But I also think the people I

515
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: work for were always which I'm thankful for. I would

516
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,719
Speaker 1: always be the first to say, I'm like, I played

517
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: like I I had coaches that would cuss me out

518
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 1: and yell at me. I'm like, I need you to

519
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 1: be honest because I want to get better and I

520
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: want to improve. Um So I do think that throughout

521
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: the course of my and I could drop many names

522
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: but career at all different junctures people like yeah that

523
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: was that wasn't good or and then begin to point

524
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: out specifics of things I also think, and I'm is

525
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 1: your thoughts on this? I mean, the first thing someone

526
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: told me is like, you gotta you gotta watch yourself,

527
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: like you gotta watch back. And there's nothing I hate

528
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: more to this day, there's nothing I date more. And

529
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: but that was something I um early on was it

530
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: was for ESPN regional. Um so it would be on

531
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: different different parts of ESPN, whether it was plus you

532
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: you know sometimes we're in ESPN two. But it was

533
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: a big East college football pack and I was doing

534
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: sideline reporting, and so I struggled so much. And this

535
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: was early on watching myself that I think I went

536
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: three weekends, let's say three weekends and games and hadn't

537
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: watched anything back um, and my producer was asking something.

538
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: And then I finally went back and I was whatever,

539
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: I whatever the the things I was saying or doing

540
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: what I was like, man, girl, if you would have

541
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: just watched this after the first weekend, this is correct.

542
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: This is all correctable things. And it's one thing I

543
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: want to have someone tell you or pointed out, but

544
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: two it's the same as playing, like watching film. You

545
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: could have a coach tell you something till he's blue

546
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: in the face. But if you sit down I watched

547
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: the film, you're like, oh, I, oh, I get it now.

548
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: I thought I did this and um, so that was

549
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,719
Speaker 1: really important. But I do think that, um throughout the

550
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: course of my career and still just like a lot

551
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: of people with tough love or honest critique, and I

552
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: love that that. That's that's the area in all in

553
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: in life that I oh, I want the feedback. I

554
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: want the feedback because I want to improve. I want

555
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: to be better at whether it's professionally personally you name it. Um,

556
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: so I eat that stuff up. And and so I

557
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: thankfully have had a lot of people that that were

558
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: good about that. I think that's the difference in the

559
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: former athletes and non former athletes, right is that? And

560
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: and like some former athletes are super sensitive towards they

561
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: don't really want feedback. They want out of boys, right,

562
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: but most most really we've you've been coached, you want

563
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: to be coached. And what's interesting is that. And maybe

564
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: as you've climbed to now where you're at an elite

565
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: level in the broadcasting space, I would guess that people

566
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: you know, there's lots of executives if they would never

567
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: give you feedback now, like I need it more than everyone,

568
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: right because because now it's just like everybody just thinks, well,

569
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: she's star, she knows what she's doing, which you do,

570
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,239
Speaker 1: but you, yeah, you can use it like, hey, did

571
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: you know you had like a little crutch word like

572
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: really like yeah, you always say such and such like

573
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: well it's really helpful, But nobody says that when you

574
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: actually get a couple of jobs, because they think that

575
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: you're either your ego or that's not their place. It's

576
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: a weird thing. I also think it's such a fascinating

577
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: as you continue to you know, being this business longer. Uh,

578
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: it's such a subjective business. So that's where I find

579
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: it interesting. Of it's one, it's it's great and especially

580
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: to you think about individual so are younger getting into this.

581
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: It's great to get feedback, it's great to get criticism.

582
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: It's it's great to want that. But also being um,

583
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if if smart enough for intelligence, but

584
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: figuring out, okay, how do I make sure I'm picking

585
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: and choosing, Like I appreciate this, but I actually don't

586
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: agree with you, and I'm still the face doing this.

587
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: I'm still the one saying this. So your opinion on

588
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: this and especially too, and like that's where there's a

589
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: balance of it. Um. I think that's where as I

590
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: got I had individuals say, oh you should I think

591
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: if you do it this way or these you know,

592
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: how you frame these questions. And then at some point

593
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: I was like, wait a second, I actually I don't

594
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: think I agree with that, and I'd rather I'd rather

595
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: go down with with what I think or what I

596
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: think is um the approach in perspective, I want to

597
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: take as opposed to another. So that's why I think this, um,

598
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: this really is an interesting business in that in that regard,

599
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: because there are parts of it that it's not just

600
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: cut and dry of what's this is good, this is bad?

601
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: And so that's where I think there's a balance of

602
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: how you continue to prove figure that out, but also

603
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: do your style or what's best for you. What was

604
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: your what was your big break right because you had

605
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: done a lot of regional games, You've done sideline, you know,

606
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: but what was your big break in in in broadcasting?

607
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: I would say getting hired full time um by it's

608
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: now NBC Sports but Comcast Sports Net, and I had

609
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: been doing a ton of freelance work for them, a

610
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: lot of it. I did a show called high School Lights,

611
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: and so I'd go out. It was you know, high

612
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: school sports really big in Chicago, Chicago area football, basketball,

613
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: So go out do a story. It's it was a

614
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: show every Friday. Um I'd fill in and do some

615
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: freelance stuff, bulls games, um some bare stuff. As I

616
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: told you, I was doing some things for five But

617
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: that was where it was a compilation of doing some

618
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: work here for ESPN and doing some games, doing some

619
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: stuff for Fox, doing this or that, and got hired

620
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: full time to be there, you know, one of one

621
00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: of their anchor reporter whatever it is. We got feature reporter. Uh.

622
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: It was everything. And so I'll say for multiple reasons.

623
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: One the consistency of it, as you know, and I

624
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: ended up wanting to give me the double shifts, uh,

625
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: you know on the weekends. This is where life life.

626
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: When you talk to people of the compromises you make,

627
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: you know, working every every weekend, every night, um, but

628
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: getting a chance to anchor getting a chance to host,

629
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: getting chances sideline report, um do all these different figure

630
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: out how to write an actual feature and put together

631
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: a story and go through clips and um, every aspect

632
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: of TV. I one had amazing people that helped helped

633
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: me grow and learn there. But too, you're on the

634
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: stage of I was covering the Bulls of Bears, the Cubs,

635
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: the black Hawks, and the White Sox, and I got

636
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: put on early which I knew nothing about hockey, and

637
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: it was it was rough early on. And that's where

638
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: I talk of getting crushed in some of the you know,

639
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: in some of the Chicago m Chicago media critique because

640
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: I was covering this black Hawks team that it was.

641
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: It was up and coming, so as in taves And

642
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,479
Speaker 1: and Caine were young, seabrook Keith like they were, they

643
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: were just getting going. Is when Derrick Rose my first

644
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: year was Derek Rose's rookie year, um, so covering the

645
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: Bulls team as well, cover them through the playoffs. So

646
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: it was a very big stage when I one was

647
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: learning hockey, um new basketball, but still learning the mechanics

648
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: of TV. But I had to have a quick learning curve.

649
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: And when I was able to do those things and

650
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: excel at some of those, I think that's what then.

651
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: You know, that's where I felt like, Okay, I've established

652
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: myself enough that I'm just gonna do everything I can

653
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: to soak up all of this knowledge, keep getting better

654
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: and um that that was it and that was the place.

655
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 1: And while I was there, I was still able then

656
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: still called some um some women's college games as an

657
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: analyst for ESPN. Still was able to do some other

658
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: a few other different things, uh staying in terms of

659
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: actually calling games. But the rest of it that that

660
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: to me is what what made me in many ways

661
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: is what I am in the TV business. How did

662
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 1: you get the yes job. Um, that's a great question.

663
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: I did my my agent. It's sent in. I mean,

664
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: I was excited about the Nets move into Brooklyn. Um.

665
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: I think my agents sent in a real I was

666
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: covering the bulls at the time, obviously, but also some

667
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 1: of those who who's your agent? Who was my agent

668
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: was Mark lep Selter. Um. Okay, so does he tell you?

669
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: Did he tell you hey the Nets? Nets? Uh? Net's

670
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: got a gig? Or do you just do it? You know?

671
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: Like I don't remember. To be honest, I don't really

672
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: I don't really remember. But I remember go out there

673
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 1: for an interview in the the idea of um, the

674
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 1: idea of fully entrenching myself after covering which I looked,

675
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 1: you know, covering the NFL, the NBA, uh, the NHL, MLB,

676
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: all that stuff in a team that was making the

677
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: move to Brooklyn. Like that, that's the year it was

678
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: making a move to Brooklyn. I would go as a

679
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: sideline reporter, UM, travel with the team, be entirely immersed

680
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: and entirely immersed in the NBA. UM, And to me,

681
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: that was you know, I was always uh born and

682
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: raised in Chicago. Love Chicago, Chicago's home but always love

683
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: New York. I traveled out there a bunch for work

684
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: and I'm a city I'm a city girl and I

685
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: love city, and so the idea of being there and

686
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: then I met, you know, a phone call with our

687
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 1: producer and still coordinating producer now game producer now Frank

688
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: to Grace and he was amazing, John Philippelli. Uh, just

689
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: every everyone in you know in the network. Uh. I

690
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: was just so impressed by And so it was. It

691
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: was challenging too, because there was there was opportunities in Chicago,

692
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 1: and I think just having you know, grew up there

693
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: been there work there. Um. But yeah, it was the

694
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: right timing and the timing of the team and the

695
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 1: excitement around that. I think it's something I'll never forget

696
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: just how special that felt opening up Barkley Center. Um,

697
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: I just moved out there. You know, jay Z is

698
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: having his whatever eight days of concerts, and it just

699
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: the the idea around, as I said, like my love

700
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: for the game, I love for the NBA. Being able

701
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: to to really just pour myself into that with something

702
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: that that I thought it was so cool and I'm

703
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: so so grateful for the hardest thing. And this is

704
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: again this is my commentary, not yours? Do you tell

705
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong? The hardest thing when you're doing sideline,

706
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: for you is you actually really know the game right,

707
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: played coach, cover it, really know it again? And and

708
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: I'm not here to disparage any silent reporters that didn't

709
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: play or coach, but there's a difference, right like you,

710
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: as you've shown, you can very easily slide into analysts

711
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: here do that job. Most sideline reporters cannot. But with

712
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: that comes the it's powerful but the challenge of asking

713
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: questions but not trying to prove yourself, right. The hardest

714
00:37:55,239 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: thing in being a side on reporter is when you

715
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: want to you want the person to kind of respect

716
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: you and understand that you know, you understand what's going

717
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: on in the game, But really it's about their answer,

718
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: not about your question. So there's these competing things, right,

719
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: and people get themselves and how did you do that?

720
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: How did it? Because you're very very good at being

721
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: concise and asking quick questions and not trying to prove yourself.

722
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: How did you? How did you do that? Especially in

723
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: the world in the NBA where you hadn't like these

724
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: dudes didn't know you and uh, I think I think

725
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: I'm someone if you know me as a person, Uh,

726
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: two fold on that, I come on I'm easy and

727
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: I come on slow. So I always I always hope

728
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: and assume, and especially it's the team year around a

729
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,959
Speaker 1: lot or whoever, that at some point eventually you're gonna

730
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,479
Speaker 1: you're gonna get to know me. And I'm not gonna

731
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: come on strong at first, but you're gonna eventually get

732
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: to know that I know the game, where I played

733
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: the game, and it takes a while. Sometimes people don't

734
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: realize that, but I think that was a a process

735
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: of even when I was in Chicago or covering, like

736
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 1: at some point it'll hopefully, hopefully about the questions I asked,

737
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: the way I present myself, the conversations we have um

738
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: that will come across, and what you'll respect me for

739
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: those reasons. And too, I think from the time I

740
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: was a kid, like, my personality is not ever to

741
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: make anyone think that you know, I'm the smartest person

742
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: in the room, and so it didn't matter to me.

743
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: I was always very much of a UM. I even

744
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: think about this is that when you're asking what type

745
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: of player was I like, what what type of teammate,

746
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: am I, I know that what matters is we want

747
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: to get an amazing bite from this guy who just

748
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: had a killer game or a really tough game, or

749
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: in the locker room. And I think you know, understanding

750
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: what it feels like to be the highest of highs

751
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: or lowest of lows as a player, um is something

752
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: that I valued and I thought was important with how

753
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: you hopefully resonate with guys after those moments. And so

754
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: you know, to me and I even think to me

755
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: to like, at the end of the day, that's what

756
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: it's about. But it's also about just your preparation. You

757
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 1: can be at your best when you are so prepared

758
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: that you have that one percent of information that you wasted.

759
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: You know, I even think about that my boards now

760
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: or how you prepare. There's of stuff on here that

761
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: I will never look at, I will never use. That

762
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, but there is something on here that does matter.

763
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: And I think that was just all of that. And

764
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: so getting to the point of you knows how I

765
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: even got the opportunity that my producers and boss it

766
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: felt comfortable enough to give me the opportunity to call

767
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: a game because of a scheduling quirk with our analysts

768
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: is because I prepared every game like I would call

769
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: the game. That was just my approach to it because

770
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: I wanted to have that information. I wanted to know everything.

771
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: I never knew what was going to come up in

772
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 1: a game to be like, oh man, this is this

773
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: is very useful. And for those reasons, I was always

774
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: comfortable with that. And that's not to say like that.

775
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: I think it's also the understanding of you're gonna have

776
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: bad games, You're gonna have bad interviews, You're gonna mess

777
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: up like that. There's gonna be things that happened that

778
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: are whatever you say it was either wrong or how

779
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: you phrased it, or you you know, it was way

780
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: too long and you you did say too much. And

781
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: I think it's just how can you, okay, learn from

782
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: this experience, learn from this and continue then moving on?

783
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: Uh how did they tell you you got your first

784
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: chance to do the color of the analyst role? And

785
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: they my um John Philippelli, who I brought up, Flip

786
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: Um and Frank to Grace. I can't remember who called

787
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: first that they called, but they quite frankly they asked

788
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: if I would want I still at the time had

789
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: been calling a good amount of um with Fox Sports

790
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 1: women's college games, and so they would steal when I'd

791
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: have a free, free day or free time was steal.

792
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: So I was still in some ways in that analysts

793
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: chair of that mindset, but doing it on the women's

794
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 1: side of things. And I, um, I can't even remember

795
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: how they call or what called, but they it was.

796
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: You know, during March, our guys were all doing some

797
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: n C double A stuff, had some you know, turner obligations,

798
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: and they said, we don't not not one of our

799
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: three can can call it. But we think that you

800
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: know the game and know the team well enough to

801
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: do it. And and now the thing I love is

802
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: now that doesn't seem like that big of a deal.

803
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: That happens now and in a lot of cases, but um,

804
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: I was doing interviews for NBA TV. I was doing

805
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: it was the first time that a female was as

806
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: an analyst for the NETS, you know, for the NETS broadcast,

807
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: and I think just across the league that was such

808
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: a big deal. And you brought up I mean, I

809
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: think about Doris Burke, I think about Ann Myers, Drysdale,

810
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: like the individuals doing that and doing that with such

811
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: a consistency, and it felt like such a novelty for

812
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: me to call one game, and I was excited about it.

813
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 1: I appreciated they gave me that opportunity, but it was

814
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: wild that once I didn't once got to set sit

815
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: next to the great the greatest, greatest there is, Iron Eagle.

816
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 1: UM made it so easy. We were at Philadelphia, which, um,

817
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: their broadcast position is not a great one, but it's

818
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: it's like it's up and it's off to the side

819
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: and your high and uh. But but it was amazing

820
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 1: and I did that and I was like, oh my goodness.

821
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: It was the same type of thing as when I

822
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: sat in a production truck of like, whoa like doing

823
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: this on a daily basis, This is a drain. But

824
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: but circling back to your you know, original original statement.

825
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: Early on, it didn't even cross my mind that I

826
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: was like, oh, maybe you know in what had happened?

827
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: It was it was one year, I think it was.

828
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: They're like that that went pretty well. Maybe next year.

829
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: And the next year I got a couple of couple

830
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: of games, we did a couple more three man booth um,

831
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: but that that was my hope. I was like, man

832
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: if I could do a couple of games a season.

833
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: This is awesome, and then still supplement it with you know,

834
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: calling calling the w NBA games in college college games, um,

835
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: and then it just it progressed from there. You call

836
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: a game off the monitor or you callee, just stop

837
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: your eyes off my eye. I mean I would say,

838
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: off my eyes. I'll check a monitor for a replay,

839
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: like if you're obviously looking at But no, I I

840
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: can't say that's why it was. It was really wild

841
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: during you think about the pandemic or COVID or when

842
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: we're doing games remotely calling off a monitor just because No,

843
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 1: I would say, I barely. The only time I really

844
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: look at a monitor is if I'm looking at a replay. Now,

845
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: how loquacious are you with your producer when you're calling

846
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: a game? In terms of like like i'd say, one

847
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: of my things is I talk all the time, but

848
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 1: I usually have to talk back button going. Sometimes I don't.

849
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm just laying out, checking out. But you know

850
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: I'm clipped that. But I've been told I talk a

851
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: lot to the producer. Well, I'll say that my more

852
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: so for Brooklyn Nets games. UM, Frank to Grace, I

853
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: brought him up a lot. He's our game producer, he's

854
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: our coordinating producer. He's been doing it for ever along

855
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: with Eyn Eagle. Um, we're like, we're all best of friends,

856
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: and so our conversation. I mean, I think he is

857
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: the best of the best. Um, he's extraordinary at what

858
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: he does. He's an amazing human being. But we will

859
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 1: we will talk all game and in many cases, hey

860
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: did you see this? Whatever? You're talking about games stuff

861
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 1: that we're also like ragging on each other. We're making jokes,

862
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: we're cracking on this, we're talking about It's a constant dialogue.

863
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 1: That's why I think we too have so much fun.

864
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: It's it's as though you're watching a game with your

865
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: best friends and calling the game. And it's the communication,

866
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: even the communication. I mean, our truck is amazing and

867
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: so we're you know, I'm saying stuff to our director

868
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: and uh, you know just is to our tape like everyone.

869
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: I think that's that's the fun of it for us.

870
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: It's amazing when a team is winning and doing well. Um,

871
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: But regardless, our job is to be the best we

872
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: can be, and I think when we do it, it's

873
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: obviously very professional it's we're approaching it in we take

874
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: every game. It doesn't matter if it's a second of

875
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: a back to back and the team is good or

876
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: bad or whatever. But we take it with the same

877
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: seriousness and the same preparation. But we also have fun

878
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: because we're like, we we enjoy one another and this

879
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: is what we get to do, So we're gonna have

880
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: fun while we're doing it. Um so yeah, But but

881
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: I do think it's different. I don't think it's the same.

882
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: Me and you were not the same before. If I'm

883
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: doing a college with a producer, I only work with

884
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,439
Speaker 1: you know, a handful of times a year, a little

885
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: more off and on. I think that's where, you know,

886
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: I'll definitely be hidden and talk back about things I

887
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: see or hey, if we could, that'd be a good

888
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: good thing to run again, let's see replay of that.

889
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: But but otherwise I try not to be uh too chatty.

890
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: I know they got a lot of coming on in

891
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,720
Speaker 1: the truck. Yeah, you have spend spend one one quarter

892
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: in the truck and be like, oh my god. Um

893
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: when you got to the nets and they were in

894
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: rebuild mode and they had Kenny Atkinson, Um, that was

895
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: a team that I had only been told by people

896
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: in the NBA, like, man, they've got great chemistry, like

897
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: they those dudes, they have figured it out right, No

898
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: name guys. They played analytics basketball, you know, getting to

899
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: the rim, shooting threes. They cheered for each other like

900
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 1: that was and it was like aam but it was.

901
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: It seemed really fun to be around UM. And then

902
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: they add these two stars. But you know k D

903
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: was hurt, like, what what has that been like in

904
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: terms of the temperature around the team? To go ahead,

905
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, No, I was going to take you back

906
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: and not to UM. Like when I came, as I said,

907
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: the NIXT had just moved to Brooklyn, so Avery Johnson

908
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: was still the head coach, and that's when they had

909
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: signed Joe Johnson, signed Darren Darren Williams. Um ends up

910
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: every ends up getting letting go. PJ takes over as

911
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: the interim head coach. That second gear was when they

912
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: hired Jason Kidd as the head coach, made the big

913
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: trade with Boston guard it and Pierce come. The team

914
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 1: has expectations to win a championship. UM and then everything,

915
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: you know, I don't need to go through the entire Uh,

916
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: because but when people even when you know you go

917
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: through the would work. Yeah, I I didn't know, Like

918
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: I was just excited, like there was a ton of

919
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: buzz attention. I was interested to see, you know, how

920
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: these guys would come together. But all the different I

921
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: guess my point is all the different iteration there is

922
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: to me, I had such an appreciation, enjoy and fun

923
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: of all the different iterations of the team because you're

924
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: seeing some all time grades. And then to your point,

925
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: the the years of Kenny watching the development, You've got

926
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: guys that were either cut or waived or didn't know

927
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: if they were going to make it in the league.

928
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: Those who were dealt with injuries, so that's maybe why

929
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: they dropped in terms of their their draft status or

930
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 1: where they were with their career. And so the beauty

931
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: of watching so just again so many different iterations of

932
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: what guys were and at their careers, and that's where

933
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: I think they're you know, I just have so much

934
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: appreciation respect for you look at different teams and how

935
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: they jelled together, the chemistry they had, um how much

936
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: fun even the timeline and then not having any picks

937
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: in the first time when they made it back to

938
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: the playoffs, we were at Indiana, the D'Angelo Russell, you know,

939
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: Spencer Dinwittie Carreris LeVert, those group with Joe Harris, you

940
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 1: know all of that. There There was um every single

941
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: season and within the course of the season, there was

942
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: so much joy for me because of how much I

943
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: love the game and just seeing how things played out

944
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: and even if it didn't work out. And then um,

945
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: the signing of you know, Kevin and Kyrie, that was

946
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: equally as just thrilling and exciting because you're like, wow,

947
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 1: all the foundation laid about what this organization had gotten

948
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: itself back to drew in these super super elite talents

949
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: UM and it obviously, you know that's why you just

950
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: you roll with it. And no one anticipated the pandemic.

951
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: No one anticipated all the challenges of COVID, No one

952
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: anticipates different injuries, UM, the way lineup shake out, And

953
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: that's where I think you ebb and flow with it,

954
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: you know. To me, that's why I'm like, there's nothing

955
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: I could see that could surprise me anymore in the league.

956
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: But that's why like now this cur Win Street, watching

957
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: the vibe of this group right now and how they're

958
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: coming together the way Kevin has been playing, Like his

959
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: ability not only to perform at this level but do

960
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: it in a way that um is something to me

961
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: that I find so much joy in every night of

962
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 1: not just getting to call his games, but watching how

963
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: he is and connected with his teammates and saying goes

964
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: for Kyrie Saint all of the stuff across the board,

965
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: and you never know how long things will last. And

966
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: to me, that's that's the fun of what we get

967
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: to do, Like it's this is all live, live games.

968
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: Ball gets tipped and you never know you know what

969
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: things are going to pan out like and things can

970
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: look away in November and be entirely different in January

971
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: and saying goes for April, um, And that's the that's

972
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: the fun of basketball seasons. Do you know things? And

973
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure I like when when Steve let go or

974
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: quit or however went down, like Avery, Like, do you

975
00:50:54,960 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: know those things before they happen? Everything depends. I'm there's

976
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: obviously being around a team, traveling with a team, there's

977
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: a lot of things you know or don't know. There's

978
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,240
Speaker 1: fields you get. I mean to be honest, most times

979
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: I don't know things, but there's stuff that you, um,

980
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 1: that will surprise you, and then there's things that maybe

981
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: don't surprise you as much. And I also think sometimes

982
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: it's just the timing of things or how um how

983
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: it all works out. But that's why you know, I

984
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: think even to just with this business or even all

985
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 1: coaches or those that make decisions, like I think everyone

986
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: understands what they're signing up for and what they're getting into. Um,

987
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: but yeah, sometimes sometimes we do sometimes. And that's the

988
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,919
Speaker 1: same as there's things that you may know or those

989
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: who are you know, on the phone all the time.

990
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: Their job is to break news, and you know, there

991
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: are a head of things about you know, the nets

992
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: or whatever teams, um. You know that I'm I'm not

993
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: as locked into because it's not my responsibility, uh to

994
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,240
Speaker 1: be breaking news. So sometimes there's things, you know, sometimes

995
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: there's things that like I'd rather I'd rather not you know,

996
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go about and I don't need to

997
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: try and dig into things. Um if it's stuff that's

998
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: not gonna matter, you know, not gonna matter on my end.

999
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,439
Speaker 1: I thought, listen, I've I grew up and I don't

1000
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: know if if you I'm sure you're pretty aware like

1001
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: Jock when he was a kid, when he was in

1002
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: high school, he was revered in southern California. Like he

1003
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: was the consummate point guard. He was the guy everybody

1004
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: wanted to play a you like, he was the dude

1005
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: and he had the personality for it and everything. Obviously

1006
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: this is his I guess you'd say third time around, right,

1007
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: he's a head coach that didn't work out. Then he

1008
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: was the interim coach with the nets in the bubble,

1009
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: and then now he's the head coach. But like to

1010
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: mid season to have this flip where they'll play for him.

1011
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of other aspects to it. What

1012
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:50,720
Speaker 1: what is different about Jock from what they were doing previously?

1013
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: What has what has is it just Kevin and Kyrie

1014
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: figuring out how to play with other guys? Like what

1015
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: what has changed? There's a lot of things. And then

1016
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: I'll get to Jock because I couldn't agree more. Um,

1017
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 1: he's a special, special individual. I'll say one, the team

1018
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: is finally healthy, and that did not exist in the

1019
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: early part. They're finally getting the full compliments of the

1020
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: roster um back, which makes a major difference. Uh, there's

1021
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: a lot of players that just had not spent a

1022
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: lot of time playing together, so want it's help. But

1023
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 1: to you even look at you know, Ben finally being healthy,

1024
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: t J. Warren being back, Joe Harrison Seth hadn't been healthy.

1025
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,959
Speaker 1: Like there there's a ton of players, um that even

1026
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: like the contributions of you to wat A Nabi was

1027
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: a guy that you know who would have even known

1028
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: if he would be in the rotation. And now he

1029
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: has been consistent. How Kevin and Kyrie have gotten used

1030
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 1: to how they're playing with one another, um, how they're

1031
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: playing with Ben Nick Klaxton has been a revelation of

1032
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: just his growth and his improvement. But all of those things,

1033
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: with those pieces of everyone playing together, I think naturally

1034
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 1: takes time. And this is a group that I think,

1035
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 1: you know, there was so much scrutiny early on and

1036
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: I think they had more of a patience. Um. But

1037
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 1: the biggest change with and Kevin is playing at a

1038
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: otherworldly level. UM. The biggest change with Jock has got

1039
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: you know, he's got an infectious energy. He shows up

1040
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: with this attitude, let's get it every single day, every

1041
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: moment of the day. But his communication with players in

1042
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: game adjustments preparation organization. You watch him during a game time,

1043
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: what he's demanding out of them, um and doing on

1044
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: the defensive side, how they're communicating rebounding aspects, pushing the

1045
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: right buttons with the lineup, lineup combinations, when he's calling timeouts. Uh,

1046
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: it's it's somewhat like you could see the amount of

1047
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,760
Speaker 1: time that he spent he got that job in Orlando.

1048
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: He was very young. Uh that when he was an

1049
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 1: interim when you mentioned in the babble, did a tremendous job.

1050
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 1: But he just continued to show. Even his decision to

1051
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: stay on, Uh, his associate head coach with Steve Nash,

1052
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: he's been when that's like you know they let him go. Yeah,

1053
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 1: and even like through the course of him you know

1054
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: he was he was then interim head coach before they

1055
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 1: named him the head coach, when there was a lot

1056
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: of discussion and rumors going around about the hiring of you,

1057
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: and he told the team, he said, I don't I

1058
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: was asked to coach today. I was asked to show

1059
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: up and coach you. That's what I'm gonna do. If

1060
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: they asked me to come back tomorrow, That's what I'm

1061
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: gonna do. And that's his attitude, Like it's real, it's genuine,

1062
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: it's who he is, and it's how he um has

1063
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 1: been able I think just to get a ultimate buying

1064
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: and now I think too it comes from, you know,

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00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: it's him, but also comes from how the leadership of

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00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: Kevin comes from, how Kyrie has been playing, comes from

1067
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: guys are just having fun and winning. You like, you

1068
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: know this winning is fun. So all of a sudden

1069
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: you get a taste of that. And it's not just winning,

1070
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: but it's the style they're playing. Everyone's getting touches, the

1071
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,479
Speaker 1: assist numbers are through the roof. Um, guys all feel

1072
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: like they're a part of it. It's not just you know,

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00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: it's not just the superstar players. And so I think

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00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: for all of those reasons, Um, it's just been a

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00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 1: good fit in chemistry. Chemistry matters in the league, and

1076
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: they've they've right now built a really nice chemistry. But

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00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 1: I think Jock is, Uh, you can't give enough credit

1078
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: to him just for for being who he is, and

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00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: this is who he is and this is what he's

1080
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 1: prepared for. You know, literally through the course of his

1081
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 1: entire career, you get to see Kevin every night and

1082
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 1: we are in a society where we have and I

1083
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: and you and I have been on these shows together.

1084
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,280
Speaker 1: Right where you're on these shows, you're commenting on guys.

1085
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: But the the idea that you're gonna watch these guys

1086
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: play every night like you just don't nobody you know

1087
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: it too. Honestly, it took up until this year that

1088
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: people figured out Russell Wilson Russell Westbrook wasn't a good

1089
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:44,959
Speaker 1: defensive player like y. I'men a good deal other player

1090
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: for half a decade, but people didn't pay attention. Right

1091
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: now they pay attention. Um what what? What impresses you

1092
00:56:53,800 --> 00:57:01,879
Speaker 1: about k D? Watching him every night? I don't even

1093
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: know where to begin, because he it. I think the

1094
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: thing you start with first is the skill, and the

1095
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 1: skill comes from his true love and adoration of the

1096
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: game and how much he's poured into it. Because I

1097
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: don't care that he's you know, seven foot and you

1098
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: know six like obviously that that makes it different. But

1099
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 1: his his handles, his decision making, his actual the pureeness

1100
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: of his shot and his jumper he's making shots with

1101
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: guys cloaked around, is a quickness of his first step

1102
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: in understanding angles of how to get to his spots. UM.

1103
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: Now watching what he's doing diving on the floor defensively

1104
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: his coverage, Like he's now so locked in on the

1105
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: defensive end. And that's what's changed with the whole group

1106
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: because he's doing it, so everyone's doing it. His passing

1107
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: ability starting to like make pinpot, but the refinement of

1108
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: his actual skills. But the more you watch, he's he's

1109
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: fun because he loves he trash talks and he does

1110
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: it in a way that he just loves it and

1111
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: he enjoys it. And he's chattering the whole game about

1112
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: you know, different things with different players. Um, because he

1113
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: just he lives he lives the game in a way

1114
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: that UM, I think I just think it's it's absolutely

1115
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: beautiful and he Um, he's an elite, elite level player.

1116
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: But I think just understanding you know, watching him in warmups,

1117
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: watching him and shoot arounds and practices like this is

1118
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: not a nowhere um. And you know he right now,

1119
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: the way that he's been playing and how he's figured out, um,

1120
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: how to bust up defensive coverage is how every every

1121
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: defense you know is game planned about how to stop him. Uh.

1122
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: And he continues only get his numbers, but get guys involved.

1123
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: I think that's the special stuff of just the brilliant

1124
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: studies shown and how he understands the game and then

1125
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: doing so it's such a a just crazy level of

1126
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: efficient see um all right, And then covering Kyrie, which

1127
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: is is hard because he's an unbelievable talent, right, I mean,

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00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: he is incredible with the basketball, but then he just

1129
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: all of the other stuff he just I don't know

1130
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: if he struggles with or he wants to make everything harder,

1131
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's media commentary or how his interaction

1132
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: with teammates when he first got there before Kevin was

1133
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: or coaches or whatever. But then again, you get to

1134
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: watch it every night, how is that it feels like

1135
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: that's changed and that's gotten better, whether it's buying how Yeah,

1136
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: because he similarly like he loves the game. He wouldn't

1137
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: be that talent and that skilled if it wasn't about

1138
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: how much time he poured into the game. And for me,

1139
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: he's he's wonderful to be around. He's always been great

1140
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: to all of us. UM. He appreciates and cares about

1141
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: his teammates, He cares about the game, he cares about winning.

1142
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: UM and the way he's been playing has been at

1143
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: an extraordinarily high level. His shot making, his handle like

1144
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: there's things you see that he does it so quickly

1145
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: and so smoothly and with such ease that you need

1146
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: to watch it in slow motion to even realize, UM,

1147
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: just how incredible it is of of the moves he's

1148
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: making and what he's doing. And so again it's like

1149
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: I in all every night of different things that happen,

1150
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: and that's throughout the course of every quarter, every game,

1151
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: every night. And that's something that I will never take

1152
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: for granted, UM, because not a lot of people get

1153
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: to do that and see that on a nightly basis

1154
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: for work. UM. Is this sustainable for the playoffs? I?

1155
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: I think so for a couple of reasons. I want

1156
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: to think health always matters, UM, But no one's doing

1157
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: things outside the realm of how they can play. And

1158
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: I think the contributions you're getting from other players UM

1159
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: are very much within the horse of their roles and

1160
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: how they play and what their strengths are. Uh. And defensively,

1161
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: they've continued to show that they could play like this

1162
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: in a sustained period of time, and the type of

1163
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: players they have the type of style is is styles

1164
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: that translate into the playoffs, possession, game shot makers, those

1165
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 1: that could close out, uh, switchability, versatility in the lineup

1166
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 1: of of who they're playing, and you know, so for

1167
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: those reasons, like I do think so, um, but it's

1168
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: still a very very long season. But I think they're

1169
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: wins and the way they want against Milwaukee, against Cleveland, um,

1170
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: some of these other teams when they're playing more um

1171
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: of the high level teams and doing it against those

1172
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: type of groups. Uh, that's I think what has continued

1173
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 1: to open up eyes a little bit more. I got

1174
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 1: one minute. In ten years, Zara cru Stock will be

1175
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: doing what happy and challenged, let's hope. So that's all

1176
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 1: I want. I want to I want to be filled

1177
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: with the same joy in peace I have today, um,

1178
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: and in appreciation for whatever it is I'm doing and challenged.

1179
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: Are you ever? Are you ever not happy? I've never

1180
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 1: come upon you when you're live. I'm here, I'm alive.

1181
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 1: I get to I get to be around some great people.

1182
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 1: So no, what what what I got? I got no complaints?

1183
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: I got no complaints. Well, you've been more than gracious

1184
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 1: with your time, and this was fine. This is fine.

1185
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: I'm around any time you're in hotel rooms exactly. We'll

1186
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: do it again. We'll do it again next time. What

1187
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: I need is, I need a list of the best

1188
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: hotels you stay at in the NBA, because I've heard

1189
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 1: their unbelievable. I could, I've got, I've got all the

1190
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 1: travel I've heard. The Peninsula, I've heard the Peninsula in

1191
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 1: Chicago is the king it is. That's that's what That's

1192
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: what I've heard. So we'll do that next time. You

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Speaker 1: gotta go. I appreciate you. Merry Christmas, Happy New Year,

1194
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: and thank you so much for joining to you as well.

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01:02:55,280 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: Thank you, Doug. I hope you enjoyed that, and I

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Speaker 1: hope you love this podcast. We've Got Great Things Upcoming

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Speaker 1: is a booked a good amount in the future of players,

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Speaker 1: current former coaches, current former storytellers, who are who are

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Speaker 1: going to make your drives from game to game, from

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Speaker 1: practice to practice or anyway in your life better that.

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Speaker 1: That's the idea, right, So this thing on, I got

1202
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Speaker 1: you guys do, you know. Um and uh, it's been

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Speaker 1: a it's been a really really good two two more

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