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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Coast to Coast AM. I am Lisagar

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Speaker 2: and my guest is Catherine Gerty's and we are talking

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Speaker 2: about astrology. She is a very detailed astrologer, and we're

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Speaker 2: trying to keep this on the higher level here because

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Speaker 2: I am not. She's written a book called Astrology and

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Speaker 2: shadow Work, and it bridges the gap between your astrological

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Speaker 2: sign and the opposite of that sign, the shadow, and

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Speaker 2: what you can really learn about that shadow, raising awareness

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Speaker 2: and thus empowering yourself more so, Catherine, before the break,

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Speaker 2: we were talking about Chiron in which is an asteroid.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about that and how that affects astrology.

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Speaker 3: Sure, so, Chirn is known as the wounded healer, and

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Speaker 3: Kirn is an asteroid that we all have somewhere in

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Speaker 3: our charts that speaks to some very early childhood wounds

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Speaker 3: and this points to a trauma that people carry. The

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Speaker 3: thing is the Chiron placement is a very sensitive thing

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Speaker 3: in the chart. Like let's say, for example, you have

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Speaker 3: Chiron and Gemini. There's likely something about speaking your truth

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Speaker 3: about communication with Chiron and Gemini feeling like it's safe

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Speaker 3: to share or safe to to just speak up in general.

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Speaker 3: And so the thing is, it's likely that whatever someone's

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Speaker 3: chiron placement is, there was something that did happen to

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Speaker 3: make someone feel as though, you know, their right to

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Speaker 3: have this as a wound. But later in life it's

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Speaker 3: something that we're constantly just working against because it's not

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Speaker 3: something we have to continue caring. It's it's based on

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Speaker 3: some lie go. To use that example with Chiron and Gemini,

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Speaker 3: of course, you know as an adult you're safe to

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Speaker 3: speak your truth and you can you know, continue sharing

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Speaker 3: and sharing their ideas with other people. But for someone

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Speaker 3: with Chiron in the sign of Gemini, they might still

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Speaker 3: hesitate based upon something earlier. So I think understanding the

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Speaker 3: Chiron placement that you can see that this is just

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Speaker 3: you know, more like a in adulthood. This is more

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Speaker 3: just like a boogeyman. This isn't a real thing to

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Speaker 3: consume carrying with us. I think that's important.

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Speaker 2: Ah, that makes sense, so you can have seniority over it,

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Speaker 2: but recognizing that it's there will help it not reac

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Speaker 2: havoc as much.

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Speaker 4: Exactly right, and exactly when.

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Speaker 2: You're saying that that chiron is in someone's chart. Is

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Speaker 2: that the same thing is does it transit like the others,

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Speaker 2: like Pluto is transitting.

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Speaker 3: It does transit. It does, And it's in the sign

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Speaker 3: of Aries right now. And so I had mentioned before

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Speaker 3: the break that you know, for anyone with any arid placement,

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Speaker 3: it is getting hit with this this tender energy of chiron,

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Speaker 3: and maybe that can make somebody a little bit more

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Speaker 3: reactive or a little bit more sensitive at this time,

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Speaker 3: especially since the north node has been in Aries.

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Speaker 5: This entire year since been in areas, the north node

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Speaker 5: has been in areas as well, and so that's been

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Speaker 5: highlighting that energy of wounding.

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Speaker 3: But also of healing. It's been a really opportune time

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Speaker 3: for healing around that that old wound as well.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not sure what I understood. North node A.

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Speaker 3: The north node nod. Sure, so the nodes of the moon,

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Speaker 3: and in Vedic astrology you might have heard of these,

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Speaker 3: the north node as rahoo. And then there's also this

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Speaker 3: south node always moving in opposition from the north node,

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Speaker 3: and that is a K two. And these are really

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Speaker 3: telling in a chart because in the nail chart the

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Speaker 3: north node is really pointing towards purpose. To put it

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Speaker 3: in a nutshell, this is an area if we're breaking

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Speaker 3: down the meaning of somebody's north note, it's really pointing

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Speaker 3: towards what brings a person deep fulfillment on a soul level.

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Speaker 3: We see people chasing things all the time in order

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Speaker 3: to bring a deeper level of fulfillment. And really, if

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Speaker 3: we just look in the chart at the message of

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Speaker 3: the north node there, we can typically see, ah, this

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Speaker 3: is the thing that will bring this person, you know,

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Speaker 3: a sense of accomplishment and joy. That's very genuine.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that makes sense. Now if that means if

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Speaker 2: somebody is in a positive state in their north node,

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Speaker 2: So say, for example, how would they know that? How

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Speaker 2: would somebody know that that was where they were?

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Speaker 3: So let's as an example, look at like the north

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Speaker 3: Let's say the north note is in a person's fifth

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Speaker 3: house in their chart. I think this will answer the question.

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Speaker 3: And I believe the north node in the fifth house

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Speaker 3: in a person's chart is really pulling towards the fifth

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Speaker 3: house themes of personal expression and creativity and really leaning

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Speaker 3: into like what one person can create within themselves, not

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Speaker 3: necessarily with a group of other people. And if that

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Speaker 3: north in a placement was in the sign of areas.

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Speaker 3: That's highlighting that even more. And maybe they're meant to,

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Speaker 3: you know, create something and then lead others into, you know,

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Speaker 3: into that process or guide people how to create for themselves.

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Speaker 2: Could you go through the signs of the the positive

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Speaker 2: sign and the shadow of each sign.

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Speaker 4: Is that something you want to do, Capricorn a little bit?

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Speaker 3: Sure? Yes, So with let's start with areas of course,

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Speaker 3: like you do with areas, areas as Mars world and

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Speaker 3: as the first sign of the zodiac. It is about

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Speaker 3: taking taking leadership. It's a sign about self actualization. And

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Speaker 3: so when it's in its most positive manifestation, the sign

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Speaker 3: of areas is very intentional. It says what it means

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Speaker 3: that it knows exactly where it's going and decides to

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Speaker 3: move in that direction, and it's very reliable. It's like

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Speaker 3: a leader. In its shadow, Areas is a little bit

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Speaker 3: more like a dictator. I mentioned it's ruled by Mars,

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Speaker 3: and Mars is connected to war, and so this can

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Speaker 3: be somebody who stays like my way or the highway

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Speaker 3: considerate of anyone else.

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Speaker 4: Got it, Okay? Yep, we all know aries.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, and just for anyone listening like, this isn't

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Speaker 3: uh you know, it's it's reading an archetype and we

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Speaker 3: are more than just a sun sign. So I hope

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Speaker 3: nobody just like gets too attached to the sun sign

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Speaker 3: nature of anything. I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it isn't written in stone, but this is you're

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Speaker 2: talking right, Okay, Yes.

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Speaker 3: So for the sign of Taurus, chorus is fixed earth,

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Speaker 3: meaning its element is earth, and it's modality, there are

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Speaker 3: a number of modalities.

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Speaker 4: Is fixed.

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Speaker 3: And so if you just take the phrase that I said,

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Speaker 3: fixed earth, it's very rigid. It's I translate this phrase

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Speaker 3: it's very solid. It's stable. You can build a foundation

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Speaker 3: on concrete. But that means that the shadow is that

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Speaker 3: it's a little bit immovable. It can be a little

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Speaker 3: you know, digs to heels in a little bit stubborn.

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Speaker 4: Ah.

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Speaker 2: Think about who you know that it has the sign,

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Speaker 2: or if it's you, and see if it makes sense

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Speaker 2: to you. Okay, sure Gemini.

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Speaker 3: Sure Gemini. So using the same method I did with Taurus,

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Speaker 3: Gemini is mutable. Air mutable is its modality. So just

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Speaker 3: like the words sounds very flexible and it moves and

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Speaker 3: air is the lightest of all the elements. So you know,

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Speaker 3: this is like wind and it's it can be challenging

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Speaker 3: greatest assets is their ability to move and shift and

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Speaker 3: be flexible. And actually you know from that transform but

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Speaker 3: this can leave you know, it's almost the opposite. It's

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Speaker 3: what I said about tourists, like the foundation might not

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Speaker 3: be super solid, maybe there's an inconsistency there, whereas the

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Speaker 3: tourist archetype is still reliable.

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Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: So that wraps up Jim and I think.

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Speaker 4: Can be immovable basically that's the shadow.

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Speaker 3: Side, right, can be too movable.

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Speaker 4: Too movable, Oh, I see it.

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Speaker 3: A little too movable. Needs a little of that grounding,

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Speaker 2: Right right, right, right, yeah, Okay.

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Speaker 3: Cancer. Cancer is the first water sign that we come to,

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Speaker 3: and so there's a lot of heightened emotion here. With

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Speaker 3: that comes the gift of intuition. There's really like high

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Speaker 3: sense of intuition, and I think, you know, allowing the

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Speaker 3: when sometimes you need to lean more into like our

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Speaker 3: other senses storry and how much trouble articulating that one.

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Speaker 4: Sense, they can be overwhelming the emotions can be yes.

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Speaker 3: And I think that that you know, depending on how

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Speaker 3: if it just you know, they become a little like

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Speaker 3: emotions is the challenge for cancer placements.

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Speaker 2: Always makes sense, okay.

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Speaker 3: Leo Leo. So Leo is a very expressive sign and

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Speaker 3: joy and pleasure. We use all these really fun words

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Speaker 3: It gets Leo gets a lot of it's kind of

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Speaker 3: a bad rap for making things about themselves. We connect

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Speaker 3: there's there's nothing wrong with that, but maybe recognizing again

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Speaker 4: Interesting? Okay, yes, all right?

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Speaker 3: Virgo is a very analytical sign. They're phrase as I

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Speaker 3: mentioned before, all the signs of phrases, and Virgo is

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Speaker 3: I analyze, and so they bring a level of critique

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Speaker 3: that I personally believe the world needs. I think it's

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Speaker 3: a tremendous asset to see the thing that might be

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Speaker 3: missing and other people might miss, and they have that

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Speaker 3: make this incriminally better. With that, you know, they are

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Speaker 3: just other people can perceive them as a little bit

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Speaker 3: like nitpicky about things.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, always needing to be right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah or yeah yeah, something like that exactly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, all right, let's see here was that ver libra.

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Speaker 3: Libra So Libra is the sign of the zodiac that

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Speaker 3: is connected to partnership, and this is why Libra is

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Speaker 3: forms of partnership, not just marriage alone. And it is

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Speaker 3: always thinking about the other person. It's the opposite. It's

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Speaker 3: sitting across from the sign of Ares, and so it's

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Speaker 3: kind of the inverse lesson of Ares. It needs to

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Speaker 3: communicating what its needs are so that it's not just

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Speaker 2: Very interesting, yes, so this is this is making so

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Speaker 2: much sense with your book the astrology and the shadow works.

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Speaker 2: So you're showing the positive of the sign and also

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Speaker 2: what can be in the shadow lurking underneath in order

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Speaker 2: work on it, because the shadows will be mostly the

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Speaker 2: things that are causing the pain.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yes, I think awareness is dis key.

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Speaker 2: H if you're not aware of them, right, they can

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Speaker 2: be just lurking. How about a scorpio.

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Speaker 3: Scorpio, So Scorpio is the investigator of the zodiac. Scorpio

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Speaker 3: I think there's something else here. I think we can

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Speaker 3: shadow work as a concept actually is associated with Scorpio,

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Speaker 3: and so it's the entire field of psychology and that

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Speaker 3: you know, it holds its cards close to its chest,

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Speaker 3: and I think working occasionally against that and allowing a

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Speaker 3: and deeper levels of emotional intimacy is tied to overcoming

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Speaker 4: Is key, yep.

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Speaker 2: And just allowing the truth to be okay, yes, or

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Speaker 2: whatever that truth might be.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, and being willing to share it and not

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Speaker 3: just like hold it, you know, tightly with him. Mm hmm.

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Speaker 4: That's good, yes. Sad Sagittarius, Sagittarius.

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Speaker 3: So this Sagittarius is the adventurer and the explorer of

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Speaker 3: you know, far away, and so that sense of adventure

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Speaker 3: think the shadow comes into play because they are mutable

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Speaker 3: that Jem and I across from it can move easily.

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Speaker 3: I think it's important for them to not go too

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Speaker 3: because internally, Sagittarius is meant to be an adventurer. Yes.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, So but are you saying to grow roots at

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think I think to grow roots, but to

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Speaker 3: still allow oneself to explore. So whether that's taking like

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Speaker 3: so the sense of adventure has to be cultivated. And

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Speaker 3: I just think it's yeah, like avoiding the extremes of

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Speaker 3: or there's just too much and there's no adventure.

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Speaker 4: Not feeling grounded to anything. Yeah, got it.

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Speaker 2: And then we did talk a little bit about Capricorn

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Speaker 2: but you could talk a little bit more there to

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Speaker 2: close that off.

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Speaker 3: Sure. Sure, So Capricorn is kind of like the CEO

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Speaker 3: It's the manager. And you know, we need I've said

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Speaker 3: like this ability to be analytical as a gift. Well,

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Speaker 3: Capricorn as well. That craving within to achieve that really

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Speaker 3: really see that with the Capricorn archetype, and that's a gift.

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Speaker 3: I think when the achievement becomes too important, or when

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Speaker 3: this is still the goal I want to achieve, and

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Speaker 3: maybe course corrects along the way and beside like oh,

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