1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: On the Bechdel Cast, the questions asked if movies have 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: or do they have individualism? The patriarchy zef invest start 4 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: changing it with the Bechdel Cast. Hello, and welcome to 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: the Bechtel Cast. My name is Caitlin Torante is Jamie Lofton, 6 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 1: and we talk about the representation of women in movies. Yes, 7 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: it's our job. It's our job. We're making millions of 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: dollars doing this. There's some I play. Sometimes people get 9 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: the wrong idea of how much podcasters make, which is 10 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: zero dollars. It's wild Anyways, those our show at the 11 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: role of the portrayal of women in movies. We use 12 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: the Bechdel test as a starting off point. Becktel test 13 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: being a media metric invented by cartoonist Alison Bechdel, sometimes 14 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: called the Bechtel Wallace test UH that requires that a 15 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: scene in a piece of media have two meal identifying 16 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: characters with names that talk to each other about something 17 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: other than man. Sounds simple enough, but most things don't pass. 18 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: It sees Daisy Let's demo it shall we Hey, Jamie, 19 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: what kitle do you you feel that the odds may 20 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: ever be in your favorite Um, you should have would 21 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: say no, I feel like I would have. I mean, 22 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: I know this is true of all survivalist movies. Wh 23 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I died forty five minutes ago. I 24 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: was like, oh, there's no fucking way. But I also 25 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: felt that way about uh many characters. And I won't 26 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: specify the gender so it passes the test. And conclusion 27 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: that passes the test, I'll how about a conversation that 28 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: won't pass the Bechdel test. I hate Josh Hotcherson's hair 29 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: in this movie fair fare um mine was going to 30 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: be Jamie. Did you know that the actor who plays 31 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 1: the game anchor in Hunger Games is neither Jim Cavizel 32 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: nor Milo Ventimiglia. I thought it was one or the 33 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: other of them. Turns out neither. It's vent Amelia. Shit, 34 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: we need to talk about men more. Uh No, we're 35 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: We're super excited to talk. We're talking about the Hunger 36 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: Games today. Higher games one. So Hunger Games stands slide 37 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: to our mentions asking why we didn't refer to Hunger Game. 38 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: How many were movies? Were? There are nine? Too many? 39 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: There don't ask us about the other three. I am 40 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: not prepared to answer this questions. So we're talking about 41 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: the first movie that came out in two thousand twelve today. Yes, 42 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: and here's to join us in our discussion. We've got 43 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: the hosts of teen Creeps podcasts. It's Kelly Nugent and 44 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: Lindsay Katie Hi. Hi here, sound of a cannon there 45 00:02:54,919 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: or hopefully not. I'm gonna kill all of you over. 46 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what if by the end of this there 47 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 1: can be only one Victor left? I wish I had 48 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: known that ahead of time. I don't think I would 49 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: have agreed to do the show. I volunteers tribute to 50 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: be killed first. They're like, that's not what you're like. 51 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: I wanted to make it happen. Yeah, I want to 52 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: be the girl in the crowd that raises her hand 53 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: is like, please kill me. I'm ready to die. That's 54 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: a fun fan fick version. And then that's like galaxy 55 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: brain because if you're like Elizabeth Banks, step on my 56 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: neck and kill me and then she's like no, you're 57 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: gonna live, and you're like, oh no, and then you 58 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: live forever. Dystopian people are so easily confused, So for 59 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: the two of you. What is your history relationship with 60 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: this movie the franchise? Have you read the books? All 61 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: that kind of good stuff. So I did not read 62 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: the books or the movie or read the movie to 63 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: be and I did watch the book. I put it 64 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: on a chair and stared at it for hours. I 65 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: wasn't great. Um. I didn't do the movies or books 66 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: until like later, after they had been out for a while, 67 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,559 Speaker 1: because I was very like and tie at the time. 68 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: I think I was just like, I only like adult fiction. 69 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,679 Speaker 1: This was obviously before Lindsay and I started our podcast, 70 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: because all you guys read stuff for y audience. But 71 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: then I finally gave in and I like watched the 72 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: first movie and I was like, oh dang, I like this. 73 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: And then I went and found the books and read 74 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: the books. But I don't really remember the books. So 75 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: that's kind of where I'm read the books. First. They 76 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: were recommended to me by a friend who thought that 77 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: I would like them, and I did like them. I 78 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: liked them fine, and then I liked them fine, very diplomatic. 79 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 1: I truly don't have a terribly negative opinion about them 80 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: or like, I'm not super ampt about them either. You 81 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: know solid, I feel like that's a common room towards 82 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: this franchise. Respectable, Yes, Jamie, how about you? This is 83 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: one of the many franchises that I just completely slept on. 84 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: I don't know what I was doing when these books 85 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: were coming out. I don't know. I mean maybe I 86 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: was taking yet another foray into being a guy's gal 87 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 1: and just missed the entire thing. I just started seeing 88 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: movie three years ago when we started this podcast, so 89 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: I remember the books were popular, and I also felt like, 90 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I'm too old for this, because I 91 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 1: feel like I was just like a teen and wanted 92 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: to be too old for something. Did you think that 93 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: they were similar to like Twilight? Kind of No, but 94 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: they can't. They were like the same era of right, 95 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: Like I think that Twilight might have been the last 96 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: y A fiction I read before I decided, like arbitrarily, 97 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: that I had aged out of it. But I don't know. 98 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: I think that maybe if I were a few years younger, 99 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: I would have read these books, but I didn't, and 100 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: then I don't. I just like had really no desire 101 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: to see the movie, even though I had a very 102 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: weird formative crush on Josh Hutcherson that I I no 103 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: longer stand by interesting, but he was in this movie 104 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: called Firehouse Dog, and I was there for Firehouse Dog 105 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: for some reason that's familiar, but I can't think what 106 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: it is. I couldn't tell you one thing that happens 107 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: in the movie Firehouse Dog. I was really there for 108 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: Josh Hutcherson and the rest of the people there were 109 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: like nine. Um, yeah, I have no history with this franchise, 110 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. What about you, cait I read 111 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: the books, I want to say, must have been like 112 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: twenty or maybe a little bit late. I think I 113 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: read them in preparation for the first movie coming out, 114 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: so that would have been probably a little bit sometime 115 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: in like twelve, I guess, I don't know in that 116 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: frame of time. And then I since then have seen 117 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: each of the movies in theaters. And that makes me 118 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: sound like I'm a big fan of this franchise, which 119 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: I again would not call myself. I just I just 120 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: tend to see most movies, especially ones that are big 121 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: and that you know people are going to talk about, 122 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: because you know, I like to be a part of 123 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: the conversation. Caitlin's addicted to the discourse. I sure am 124 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: so I love a cultural moment, but I think I've 125 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: only seen each movie once aside from the first one 126 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: to prep for the episode, And I remember thinking the 127 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: movies are better than the books in a rare case 128 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: of me thinking that because I feel like the movies 129 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: are just more streamlined story wise, especially the third one 130 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: gets really sloppy in the book, and I'm just like, 131 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: what is even happening? I heard that. I don't think 132 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: I actually read the third one, but I did hear 133 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: it. It It was very oppy, and the movie was better. Yes, 134 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:07,679 Speaker 1: wait what happens? Well, yeah, she becomes like Catness becomes 135 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: a symbol for like the revolution of like them trying 136 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: to overthrow this totalitarian government. And then but like she's 137 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: very moody for a lot of the time and doesn't 138 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: really do much. You know what? This is a classic 139 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: Harry Potter book. What is it for? Five? Is it 140 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,119 Speaker 1: the one where he gets really moody and like temper 141 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: in a teacake shop or something where I was I 142 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: remember getting to that part and being like, I don't 143 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: need any part of this, but I I don't think 144 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: I could be there for Katness being that moody. Yeah, 145 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: she is always that moody. She's a pretty moody She's 146 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: like mood zero percent personality. Interesting. She I do agree 147 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: that she does not have much of a personality, which 148 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: I don't like. I mean, and again, I haven't read 149 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 1: the books, and so I'm like, I don't know how 150 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: much of this is just Jennifer Lawrence. May I mean, 151 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: it's Jennifer Lawrence is weird. I feel like she's a 152 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: polarizing actor for many I always kind of like get 153 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: leary around conversations like that because I'm always because you know, 154 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: people are more critical of actresses one of actors, mediocre 155 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: actors flourish all the time. I don't love her performance 156 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: in this movie. I feel like she I don't know 157 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: if the character is written to be kind of like boring, 158 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: but I found Wortten to be boring. Unfortunately. Well, I 159 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: don't think she did a great job. I don't think 160 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 1: what's her face sat down and went, I'm going to 161 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: write a really boring character. Yeah, but that is what 162 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: ended up being on the page. Um. Yeah, her personality 163 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: is I'm hungry, Yeah, I'm scared. Oh no, what if 164 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: I gotten myself into this time? Like the part. I 165 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 1: definitely felt that feeling a lot, like right when Lenny 166 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: Kravitz is like thirty seconds and she's like, oh no, right, 167 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: I think this is this is high visibility for strong 168 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: female protagonists that are also boring as fuck. I will 169 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: say she's a little less boring than like the most 170 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 1: boring female protagonist, which is Bella Swan for sure, because 171 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: she at least like has opinions, which is like I 172 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 1: don't like that, and a skill like she has. She's 173 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: good at hunting and tracking, and she doesn't trip nearly 174 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: as much Swan. Yeah, yeah, she's not as clumsy, but 175 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 1: when she does trip, the stakes are high, that's true. 176 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: She falls down a freaking giant hill. Yeah, I was 177 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: like very high chat, but it's like right at the beginning, 178 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: so she falls for so long it felt like, what 179 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: is that movie that's supposed to be parodying uh Kung Pal? 180 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: Is that that like karate parody movie where there's like 181 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 1: there's a scene in that movie where a baby falls 182 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: down the same hill and it's clearly a puppet and 183 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:01,119 Speaker 1: it falls for like five seconds and it's really funny, 184 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: or it's like Princess Briane, so Catness is just like, 185 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: oh yeah, it's with yeah, a strong character that I 186 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: was not emotionally compelled by even for a moment, except 187 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 1: for the stuff with your sister. But we'll get to that. Sure, 188 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: I'll do the recap and then we'll dive into the 189 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: discuss and everyone feel free to talk over her. So 190 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: she gets stuffing out. Yeah, I'll just talk about my day, okay. 191 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: So we open with some like text information about the 192 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: Hunger Games, which Jamie, as you pointed out, is in 193 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: Helvetica font. Oh my gosh, okay, wait at least just 194 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: not Papyrus it miss Well. I was so shocked. I 195 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: was telling Caitlin and Aristotle upstairs and Sophie as well 196 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: that I made I had to stop and make sure 197 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: I was watching the right movie. I'm like, oh, maybe 198 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: this is like some weird, like off brand version of 199 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: The Hunger Games, but like they had a seventy eight 200 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: million dollar budget, and the movie opens with six sides 201 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: of Helvetica literally the same font. I was, let's not 202 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: worry about why. But I was looking for a video 203 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 1: of someone playing through the fire and flames on expert 204 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: mode on Story and I clicked on it and it 205 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: was like I think I got ric rolled because then 206 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: it was like a picture of a cat and then 207 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: like font over. I was like, thank you for coming 208 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: to my channel. But it was that fun, like that 209 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: is what's happening on Hunger Games. It's a thirteen year 210 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: old please like and subscribe slide. At the beginning, I 211 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: was shaken to my I feel like that is the 212 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: most emotion I felt in the entire movie was how 213 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: viscerally I responded to the hell vtic upon at the 214 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 1: beginning and the end, because the movie ends on it 215 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: and it fades out and says like directed by Gary Rouse, 216 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: and you're like the heal veticas bat Like it's so jarring, 217 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: true dystopia. Yeah, like this is not making commentary, like 218 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: how Vetical will sort of outlive us all. The last 219 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: I'll say about the font is like, if you've got 220 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: seventy eight million dollars, at least use a seraph like ridiculous, 221 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: kind of fair, unreal anyways, so I hear you. So 222 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: the content of the we learned that there are twelve 223 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: districts of pan Am, which sounds like an airline and 224 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: but it's it's it's the country that used to be 225 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: the United States of America, and each district will offer 226 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: up a male and female between the ages of eighteen, 227 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 1: twelve and eighteen at a lottery selection ceremony type thing 228 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: called the Reaping, and the children who are selected, also 229 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: called the Tributes, are sent to the capital and then 230 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: transferred to an arena where they will fight to the 231 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: death in what it's called the Hunger Game. And they're like, 232 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: what if The Bachelor plus Survivor plus Apocalypse plus A 233 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: is so so Elizabeth Banks performance This franchise answers that 234 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:14,719 Speaker 1: because the Hunger Games are televised as a like reality 235 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: TV show for everyone to see, and everyone fights to 236 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: the death until a single victor remains. And I don't 237 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: mean a person named victor, of course, because that would 238 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: not pass the higher games, but will he be the victor? 239 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: That'd be a great Like I kept trying to I 240 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: just got into the Bachelorette, which is my shame, but 241 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: I keep trying to. I kept trying to, like picture 242 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: the contestants doing like talking heads, because that's the only 243 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: element of reality TV they shared for this. It would 244 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: be so fun if Josh Hudgerson were like, yeah, I'm 245 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: kind of starting to catch fields for or if he's 246 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: like if he's like um, like, so we see him, 247 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: you know he's decided with the bad guys and he's like, 248 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: so I might have been on the wrong side of history. Okay, 249 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: So we meet Catness Eberdeen. That's Jennifer Lawrence's character. She 250 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: is from District twelve, which is like a poor coal 251 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: miner part of the of pan Am, and Catiness is 252 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: a skilled archer. She hunts for food for her and 253 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: her family, which is her mother and sister Prim, who 254 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: she loves dearly and who is stressed out about this 255 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: upcoming reaping. Can I can I just say Prim is fine, 256 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: but like, I just don't see Like from what I 257 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: saw Prim, I would not have volunteered distribute for her. 258 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: I would just let her. But I think you need 259 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: to keep in mind that the person who was like 260 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: I couldn't possibly let her go with Catiness, who's possibly 261 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: even more of a vacuum of personality. True, like Prim 262 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: showed emotion, so she had that going for her, but 263 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: that little I thought that the actress who played Prim 264 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: did a great job with being given nut too much. 265 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: Also the name, I'm wondering, like if Suzanne Collins had like, 266 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: if she's released any like insight into her naming conventions, 267 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: because naming a little girl prim seems weirdly pointed and 268 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: prim Rose it's a shortcut to get to Prim though 269 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: for sure. Yea. Anyways, so her best friend is Gail. 270 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:39,119 Speaker 1: That's Liam Hemsworth's characters. Fleming's kidding, I get it, um 271 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: and the two of them talked about how fucked up 272 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: the Hunger Games are and how they should just leave, 273 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: and then Catness and Prim go to the reaping and 274 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: Effie Trinkett is there. That's Elizabeth Banks character. Oh okay, 275 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: really quick, what Elizabeth? I possibly? I like Elizabeth Bank. 276 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: I do not like her in this part at all. 277 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: I think she's doing a terrible Helen A. Bottom Carter impression. 278 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: How many times did Helen and bottom Carter turn this 279 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: part down? And then how many times did Parker Posey 280 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: turn it down after before they arrived at letting Elsa 281 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: Banks do a terrible impression of both of them. It 282 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: bothers me. I So I was I was fine on 283 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: her performance. I thought she was like a seven out 284 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: of ten performance wise. Really you mentioned Helena bottom Carter 285 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, that's what it is. She 286 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: simply wasn't available because Helena would have killed it. That's 287 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: like a role she's born to play. Yeah, that's her 288 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: in her film career. Yes, I needed somebody who can 289 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: actually play like out of it. Yeah, because her character 290 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: is not that forever Elsa thanks isn't isn't really a 291 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: character actor in that way, she was trying something. I 292 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: appreciated the f Ultimately, it did make me just wonder 293 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: what if Parker Posey had gotten she seems to be available. 294 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: She was doing Parker Posey's character from Josie and the Post. 295 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: That is exactly what she was doing. Those are the 296 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: things we see girls. Oh god, great movie anyway. Anyways, 297 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: So Effie Trinkett is from the Capital. She represents the 298 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 1: Hunger Games essentially, or like she represents District twelve, for 299 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: she is the District twelve Hunger Games like read being 300 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: like representative. She's by far the most dystopian looking of 301 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: everyone besides Stanley Tucci and Stanley Tucci are the only 302 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: ones delivering looks quite that dystopian. And then you've got 303 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: Guy Fieri beard, and then everyone else kind of looks normal. 304 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but except for like the non speaking extras 305 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: that will like occasionally everyone in the capital, but people 306 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 1: who is yeah speaking right anyway? Sky. So for we're 307 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 1: at the reaping for the girls, prim gets selected to 308 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: participate in the games, but Ketness can't bear to see 309 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:23,719 Speaker 1: her little sister compete, so she volunteers as tribute and 310 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: an iconic scene and then it goes like this, I 311 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: vad I volatiers tribute and then like lots of shaky 312 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: camera which urgently scary. I actually I liked this part. 313 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: I thought that I was a little bit moved by it. Sure, 314 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: I like the parts with her and her family. I 315 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: wish there was more of that. And Peter Peter, speaking 316 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: of Peter gets selected for the boys, and that's Josh 317 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 1: Hutcherson's character. So Catness and Peter Hutcherson. I thought I 318 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: would have be ten Hutchinson. Did I say it? I 319 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: might have said, didn't know. I think you're right. I 320 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: think it is Hutcherson. I feel like Jamie would definitely 321 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: know actually had a sexual awakening as a former stand 322 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: it is Josh Hutcherson. And that is hound spelled in 323 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: firehouse dog. Okay, okay. So they go and meet their 324 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 1: mentor hay Mitch, which is Woody Harrelson and and his 325 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: four dollar wig feminist icono middle part most and least. Yeah, 326 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 1: I liked Woody Harrelson in this movie. The wig was wild. 327 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: I didn't see there's a lot of wigs in this 328 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: movie and this is it was like an anime causeplay wig. 329 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: I don't know what was happening, but it was very bad. 330 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,959 Speaker 1: It was like PC could not keep drycause it was why, like, 331 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: just blow some wind on him. I don't understand why 332 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: it was constantly wet and PC it was so bad. 333 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: I like that They're like, he's an alcoholic, therefore he 334 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 1: has a dirty wig on all the time. This leap 335 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: of logic doesn't quite make sense, but sure a visual language. Well, 336 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: the costume designer is like, look, I know it's kind 337 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 1: of cliche, but I'm just going to go with a 338 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 1: cheap wig because he's an alcoholic. It's just like a 339 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: short cut of storytelling, like you know, like that the 340 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: caller is undone and the wigs wet. Every alcoholic I've 341 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: ever known has a soaking wet wig, and that's a 342 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: dead it's a dead giveaway that you need help. So 343 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: he's a previous like victor of the games, which is 344 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: why he's helping them, but he doesn't really have much 345 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: interest in helping him. The main thing that he tells 346 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: Catans is that she needs to be more likable so 347 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: that she'll get sponsors who will send her stuff during 348 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: the games survive, which at least is framed as a 349 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 1: bad thing because you don't want to hear that from 350 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:52,239 Speaker 1: someone wearing a soaking wet wig like likable really, right? 351 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: I appreciate I appreciate that the movie went out of 352 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 1: its way to frame this is like, this is not 353 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: the right thing to be saying to this character. That's important. 354 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: So then they get to the Capitol and Catnist meets Sinna. 355 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: That's Lenny Kravitz hot, what a what an I didn't 356 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: I didn't know the cast of this movie outside of 357 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: Jennifer Lawrence and and the Hudge. I know that my like, 358 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: my best friend from high school, Lois listens to the 359 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: show and she went to Firehouse Dog with me and 360 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: she is losing her minder. I keep thinking it's like 361 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: fire House Dog. That's what I keep thinking too, because 362 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: of the emphasis of how you're saying, my fuse sorry, 363 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: I've been saying it for thirteen years since it was released. 364 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 1: I just can't step. I have it on DVD, the 365 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: only DVD I own anyway. I watched it every day. 366 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: I love it. I don't have a DVD player, but 367 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: if I ever get when I'm ready, Um there, what 368 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: were we even talking? Oh? I just had no idea 369 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: Lenny Kravitz was in this movie. And what a pleasant 370 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: surprise I know. Yeah. Something my boyfriend said was how 371 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: many steps did it take in the process to get 372 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: to casting Lenny Kravitz's first choice? No idea, but I 373 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: think he adds in this movie. I think casting Lenny 374 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: Kravitz a style icon as a dystopian stylist rules, and 375 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 1: that was real fun. Yeah. I like that too, and 376 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: I liked his relationship with Katness the same. He's one 377 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: of my favorite characters. Him and the Tooch and everyone 378 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 1: else touch don't really care anyways, A can and then 379 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: it's like whatever the rest of the baby. Um, so 380 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: he's her silas there's a tribute parade that he makes 381 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: her all fancy, and I mean, speaking of Firehouse Dog, 382 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: it's more like Firehouse were you freaking girl? When with 383 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: her fire? Yeah? I mean, I was like, this is 384 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: Josh the boy on Fire. You start calling her that weird? 385 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: So the girl Girl on Fire was that that that 386 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: has that had to have come out after this movie 387 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: came out, right, otherwise you're like a weird reference that 388 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: would have been really into. Josh Patterson isn't even on 389 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: the poster for a house dog. It's just a dog. 390 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: That's so it's really so embarrassing. He's the star of 391 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: the movie and he's not on the poster. That's funny. 392 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 1: It's just a dog in sunglasses. So there's the parade. 393 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:26,360 Speaker 1: Stanley Tucci is Caesar Flickerman, but he's Stanley Tucci and 394 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: he's the commentator of all things Hunger Games. Um, we 395 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: meet the GameMaker, there's President's no, who's Donald's Sutherland? And 396 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: who expected you to say Stoke? Oh because because of 397 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: Star Wars. Um, So they're all there. And then the 398 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 1: tributes they train a little bit. The tributes from District 399 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 1: one and two were always like really really good because 400 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: they like go to like training camp and there it's 401 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: a whole thing. There's like a whole class discussion we 402 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,719 Speaker 1: can have there. Um, and Peter is worried that he's 403 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: going to died because he sucks it everything except that 404 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 1: he's strong and he can throw heavy objects like John 405 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: Hafferson is not strong. How this movie are you trying? 406 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: He looks crazy. It is so weird that they're like 407 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 1: he's so strong. I'm like, stop gaslighting me. I'm looking 408 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: at And when she's like you should throw that big ball, 409 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: he like walks over to it. I was like, he 410 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: You're like his arm is going to fall up. He 411 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: don't show him throwing it, but like seen or Peter 412 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: tells his story about how like he's like, no, like 413 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: even my own mother knows that, like you're gonna win Catus. 414 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: And she goes, well, you're like really good at throwing flour. 415 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: She's like, I've seen you do it many times. It's 416 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: like a Baker's son superpower that he has. It's it's 417 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 1: two superpowers, both baking related. Yes, they're take decorating. And 418 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: does Susanne Collins understand bakeries? Has she ever met a 419 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,479 Speaker 1: poor person? I have a lot of questions based on 420 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: her portrayal. And I love, I mean, I love short men, 421 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: and I love when short men are cast in leading roles. 422 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: End and it's like or shorter. I don't know his 423 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: exact hide. I think it's a round five seven if 424 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: I remember correctly from my Firehouse Dog days. Oh boy 425 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: short a k a girl tall, right, yes, And but 426 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: I like when when they don't Tom cruise it and 427 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: the movie is like, no, he's shorter than her and 428 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: we're not going to call attention to it. That said, 429 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: he visibly could not be that strong. I mean, he 430 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 1: has some arms, arms, muscle, but his little T shirt 431 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 1: was No. I wasn't going to support I was very 432 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: worried about the about the ball throwing. And you do 433 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: notice too that they never they show a lot of 434 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: cut twos, the like flashbacks of like him throwing a 435 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: piece of bread air. Honestly, I believe that Josh Hudgerson 436 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 1: would have gotten two into cross fit to get ready 437 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: for this movie. He kind of has the resting face 438 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: of someone who is two into cross He does and 439 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: CrossFit resting, but they never show him throwing those hundred 440 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: pound bags of flower around. Jen's shooting the arrows, what 441 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: throw the iron ball? So like at this we are 442 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: maybe to believe that at the same time Catness is 443 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 1: hunting that deer that Gail totally sucks up. He is 444 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: somewhere just like lifting backs, like in his version of 445 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 1: the movie. That's what's taking place a lot of theorious 446 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 1: at Alright, we meet Rue. She is a younger kid 447 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: from District eleven. I think Catness. She's impressing the judges 448 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: with how good she is with the bone arrow. She 449 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: gets a score of eleven because they're like rating all 450 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: the tributes, and she gets the highest score because she 451 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 1: throws an arrow at them. And every time cat Is 452 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: gets a great score, Peter is extremely emasculated and retally. 453 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 1: It's and that's why he's the romantic lead of the movie. 454 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: So it's the night before the Hunger Games and all 455 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: the tributes to a TV interview, and Peter during his 456 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: interview says that he is in love with someone who 457 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: came to the Games with him. I hate this, yes, 458 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: so much. We'll talk all about this. It's like when 459 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: the people on the Bachelorette say they're in love with 460 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: her in the first episode. I like, you just want attention. 461 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, you're not falling stop or a few arts 462 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: because they've given you too much layer and not enough food. Yeah, 463 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: the Hunger Games of its own time, I mean we 464 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: know there was booze because Hayman is drinking a lot 465 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: of it, very demonst I mean, there's enough to dip 466 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: his wig in it. That's why. That's that's why from 467 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: always like liquor sweats, Yes, constants. You know, now it's 468 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: toime for the games. Let the game speak in both 469 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: of you. And right away, like half of the tributes 470 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: are killed. This is the part of the convenience where 471 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: everyone would have died. I was like I would as 472 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: they were standing around, I was like trying to put 473 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: myself in the position. I'm like, no, I think at 474 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,239 Speaker 1: this point I would have been like, well, I had 475 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: a good run. It's always nice. Set like this will 476 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: be on my IMDb page and it might kind of 477 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: be like the crow and I had. Yeah. So Catne 478 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: survives and runs into the woods, and then she learns 479 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: that Peter is alive too and pretending to be an 480 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: ally to the District one and two people, and they 481 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: are using him to try to find Catanus because they 482 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: want to kill her. She continues to survive. She escapes 483 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: a fire. The bad guys find her, They chase her 484 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: up a tree, and then she drops a wasps nest 485 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: on them. Um, which her and her friend Ru had 486 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: been the one to like alert her to the presence 487 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: of the nest, so Ru is her her. Ally, they're 488 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: also LSD wasps Yes, which which like Stanley Tucci kind 489 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: of pops in sometimes like over the loud speaker like 490 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: a vice principal and just like gives you exposition. You like, 491 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: by the way, there's LSD in the wasp. But you're 492 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: like right, because he's the host of the reality show 493 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: that everyone's watches, like Home. He's Jeff Crisp sting it. 494 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: He's like live narrating what is happening during the challenge. 495 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: It's also kind of like he's doing the post show 496 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: talk show while it is still happenings like the Talking 497 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: Days Talking that's where that show got into name yeah, 498 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: talking about who died so horrible. Also, Toby Jones is 499 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: there with him, very like how do you underutilize Toby Jones. 500 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: He's like he doesn't speak, like he responds like two sentences. 501 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: Maybe he's like blah blah blah. Tracker Jackers or whatever 502 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: they're called. Toby Jones is on the left, looking like 503 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: a weird Mozart and he's like yeah, he literally is 504 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: just like you got that right. That's it sounds like 505 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: a good part. I would ship out of that part 506 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: like he got that right. I would be like moving 507 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: a lot, got your online. I would be really just 508 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: like I got like two seconds on camera. I'm gonna 509 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: make it work and I'm getting my SAG card for this. 510 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: You're gonna see it. Yeah, okay. So then kas finally 511 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: gets her hands on a bone arrow and she and 512 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: Ru have like formed this alliance and they destroy the 513 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: supplies that like all the bad guys from District one 514 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: and two are hoarding. But then Ru gets killed prize. 515 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: Then there this incites some riots in District twelve or sorry, 516 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,959 Speaker 1: District eleven, and an announcement is then made that they 517 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: will crown two victors in the Hunger Games if they 518 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: originate from the same district. So then Catanis goes and 519 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: finds Peter, who has disguised himself as a rock. It 520 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: was so weird. What where did he get that stuff? 521 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. It happened to be in his pack. 522 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: He had a cake decorating kit. That was the moment 523 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: that shook me, like the second most after Helvetica. Front 524 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: was like she found him disguised as a rock, and 525 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: she's like, you know what, I think I am in 526 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: love with him. You're like in the next scene she 527 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: kisses him. I was like, what this is? What? That 528 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: was part of the act. He wandered onto set of 529 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: nailed it and was just like, I've got all the 530 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: stuff I'm gonna paint my face and they were like, actually, 531 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: you did you look like? He didn't really look like 532 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: Tenda ten rock painting looks like they're their mirrors, and 533 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: it's like, how didn't you know if? Also he has 534 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: like an infectious cut on it. Also, I laughed out 535 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: loud when he's like, hello, you know your man's is 536 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: disguised as a rock and has a critical wound. He's unwell. 537 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: He's like, am I winning? He at that point like 538 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,239 Speaker 1: he should have he should be dead, he should not 539 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: feel he's close. But she gets him to safety and 540 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: then they kiss. We'll talk all about this, uh, and 541 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: then everyone's rooting for them to make it so, and 542 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: then they're like, okay, we're the only team left with 543 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: just the two of us still alive from the same district. 544 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: We can win this together. And then at this point 545 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: there's only one other tribute left, which is kato colored hair. Yes, 546 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: oh yeah, he looks like a thumb guest. They fight him, 547 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: they kill him, and then just then there's another announcement 548 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: that says, just kidding, there can be only one winner. 549 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: So Peter is like, catn this killing me and she's 550 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: like no, let's both die. So they're about to eat 551 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: these poison berries and then the announcer comes back and 552 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,839 Speaker 1: it's like, wait, wait, wait, just to stop, don't do that. 553 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: You both win. So they're announced to be the victors 554 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: of the Hungry Games. And then they go back to 555 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 1: the Capitol. They have like post show interviews and they 556 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: have to make her dress belly interesting and just like 557 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: you piss them off by like doing this whole double 558 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: victory thing. So now you have to pretend like you're 559 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: really in love with Peter because everyone's just gonna gobble 560 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: that up. They do that, and then that's the end 561 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: of the movie. We'll take a quick break and then 562 00:34:55,080 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 1: we'll come back to discuss and we're bad gods. All right, 563 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,479 Speaker 1: Well we're a start. There's so much to to talk 564 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: about this. I feel like, okay, So this movie is 565 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: like often cited when people are talking about movies with 566 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 1: strong female protagonists because you do get to see, you know, 567 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: a young woman who has a lot of agency, she 568 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,879 Speaker 1: has skills, the stakes are high. The series becomes about 569 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: her being like a symbol for the revolution. Like it's 570 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: a whole and it's a female lead action franchise, which 571 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: is cool indeed, But there are some things that I 572 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: wish wouldn't have happened. The romantic subplot and its entirety 573 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 1: by any chance, Yes, that's the big thing. Hey. For me, 574 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: I was like, and I wonder how much of this 575 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: was supposed to inspire or like dread because for me, 576 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, she's like being told that 577 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: she has to fake this relationship with this guy. I 578 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: don't like that. She kind of seemed to like him back, Yeah, 579 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: because what I would have liked was for her to 580 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,320 Speaker 1: like not really know how much of it he's faking, 581 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: because he is more duplicitous than she thinks like he is. 582 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: She has seen that he knows how to play the game, 583 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 1: so I disagree. I don't think he is at all duplicitous. 584 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 1: I think he really going to the other side purely 585 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: to save her. No, not for that, I mean like 586 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,839 Speaker 1: he knows how to play this game, so he is 587 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: faking being in love with her. I mean, maybe he 588 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: likes her, but I think because we see from the 589 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 1: next movies that he he like fully is in love 590 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: with her. I think it's a little bit of both. 591 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,399 Speaker 1: I think it's so I don't know, yeah, but he's 592 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: like fully in love with her. But also I mean 593 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: I think you're right too, and that like you see 594 00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: in that moment in the parade when they're on the chariot, 595 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: like he goes to surprise, not kiss, but grab her 596 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,840 Speaker 1: hand and she pulls away and he's like, no, come on, 597 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: they'll love it. And then so she's like okay, but 598 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 1: then they hold hands and then people are like I 599 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 1: was a little confused about like the same debate of like, 600 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,240 Speaker 1: because at first it does seem like I was assuming 601 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: that he was very calculated in the ways, especially because 602 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,320 Speaker 1: of the whole like it felt like the first episode 603 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: of The Bachelor, where he goes on he doesn't tell 604 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: her that he likes her, he tells the entire world 605 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: in this very performative way, and I was like, that 606 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: seems calculated, Like that seems like some you know, something 607 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 1: that just to gain attention and good will, but then 608 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,399 Speaker 1: they sort of try to spin it later as if 609 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: it were actually totally sincere and not calculated at all, 610 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 1: And I just I don't know, like I don't hate 611 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,479 Speaker 1: that the TV show tries to push them together because 612 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 1: I feel like there's some commentary there of like the 613 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 1: way that's really like realistic. Yeah, like the way the 614 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 1: TV show treats Cat and is I think is meant 615 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,840 Speaker 1: to be like commentary of like when she goes up 616 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: for her first interview, like Stanley Tucci make sure she 617 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: has to show off her outfit and like she has 618 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: to and when what he Harrelson advises her and what 619 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,720 Speaker 1: to do, it's very like reality TV calculated. I'm like, Okay, 620 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 1: I'd like that works for me because there's commentary being 621 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 1: made and we believe at the time that she doesn't 622 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 1: care for this guy at all, so there's like some 623 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: interesting tension. But then I feel like they kind of 624 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 1: throw it away by it being like, no, they actually 625 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 1: do like each other, so because she initiates the kiss 626 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: when they're in the cave, right, so, but then even 627 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 1: then I was just like, is she doing this because 628 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: she knows there being on camera? I don't know which 629 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,800 Speaker 1: would be smart. That would be interesting to my interpretation 630 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 1: based on the book and the movie together, because I 631 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 1: think what it comes down to is it not working 632 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 1: in the movie is casting. They have no chemistry, They 633 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: not in chemistry whatsoever, and neither of them have very 634 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,840 Speaker 1: many shades to their performance either. So when he is 635 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 1: playing Sincere in love with Catanus, it reads exactly the 636 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 1: same as when you are supposed to kind of wonder 637 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: what his motives are because you were supposed to wonder 638 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: because she is wondering. But then as the book goes on, 639 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: it's like, no, he was a hundred percent since here. 640 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,759 Speaker 1: It is shitty how he announces it, which is not 641 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,879 Speaker 1: something I even thought about. Watching the movie last night, 642 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,359 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, like and also I think 643 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,360 Speaker 1: I think, deep down maybe he does love her, but 644 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,239 Speaker 1: he might be like one of those guys that's like 645 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 1: doesn't understand to love someone truly is to love them 646 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: how they want to be loved, and rather he's just like, 647 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 1: this is how we express it, and like that's why 648 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,319 Speaker 1: he announced it, because I think partially he's doing it 649 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 1: because he's like, oh, I feel love her, I should 650 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: just say it. And then like partially he's he knows 651 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,480 Speaker 1: the only thing he's got is knowing how to play 652 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 1: the game, because he from the beginning they get in there, 653 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,319 Speaker 1: she's like sulking, and he's like we should wave at them, 654 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 1: because like you've got to get people to like you. 655 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,960 Speaker 1: That was like an interesting moment for me at least, 656 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: because you're just like, Okay, this is like h Like 657 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 1: I almost like I wish that they if if the 658 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 1: tension were constantly from like them doubting, like oh is 659 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,799 Speaker 1: this not how do I actually feel about it? But 660 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:29,239 Speaker 1: it's like I don't know yet it is partially a 661 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:33,040 Speaker 1: performance thing. And then setting aside there like lack of chemistry. 662 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 1: If we just take it like the events of the 663 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,719 Speaker 1: story at face value, what happens is that the more 664 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 1: the movie progresses, the more this romantic storyline gets entangled 665 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 1: into the main story, which is their survival, which I 666 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 1: feel is really unnecessary, Like they made a conscious choice 667 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,400 Speaker 1: because there's like, all right, this is a y a book, 668 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: this is you know, a movie franchise for largely like 669 00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,840 Speaker 1: teen young adult audiences, So we've got a wedge this 670 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: not only a romantic storyline into here, but it's a 671 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 1: love triangle story because gayl otherwise care because in this 672 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 1: first movie, and I wonder if the book makes this 673 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:21,800 Speaker 1: more clear or not. I can't totally remember, but Gail 674 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 1: and Catness are framed as being best friends, and there's 675 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 1: no reason to assume that they have anything besides a 676 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 1: platonic friendship apart from being very attractive, apart from both 677 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,759 Speaker 1: being near each other and both hot time. But but 678 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,360 Speaker 1: then when you when Gail is watching the Hunger Games 679 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 1: from his TV or wherever, at the projected at the 680 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:51,240 Speaker 1: Hunger Um, he's seeing Catness and Peter Kiss on TV 681 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 1: and he's like visibly upset. So we're supposed to understand, like, 682 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,719 Speaker 1: oh no, he's also in love with Catness because in 683 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 1: a Why novel and movie, sure a woman gets to 684 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,799 Speaker 1: be the main character sometimes, but if she is, she's 685 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:11,359 Speaker 1: got to have not one but two boys who love her, 686 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,719 Speaker 1: which is like both adds nothing to well, I mean, 687 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 1: it's I feel like it's supposed to add stuff to 688 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,479 Speaker 1: the story. But there's just multiple elements of this movie, 689 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 1: and I think this is like the most sinister one. 690 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: Also introducing Daddy issues ninety minutes into the movie. I 691 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,920 Speaker 1: also found to be very unnecessary. I forgot that that 692 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 1: was part of her She's like hallucinating after getting bit 693 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,719 Speaker 1: stuff with the mom and the dad being dead and stuff. Right, 694 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,400 Speaker 1: I feel like it's like there's too many crutches involving 695 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,280 Speaker 1: male characters when it's like this movie does not want 696 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,800 Speaker 1: for steaks. The steaks are high enough the whole movie, 697 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,919 Speaker 1: and like adding in this like love story that doesn't 698 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,680 Speaker 1: work really and then throwing in some daddy issues on 699 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 1: top of it, it's like we are like catness is 700 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,120 Speaker 1: already in trouble and the daddy stuff doesn't really pay 701 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,719 Speaker 1: off at all except in like a passing comment to 702 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,799 Speaker 1: her mom. And I don't know, like there was just 703 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 1: most of the like adding a problem on top of 704 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,160 Speaker 1: a problem that was already life or death. It's like 705 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,280 Speaker 1: it's just like it's just not necessary. Also, it's also 706 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,480 Speaker 1: interesting and how they show like they introduced these like 707 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,400 Speaker 1: daddy issues is because what it actually comes down to 708 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,200 Speaker 1: is it becomes an issue she has with her mom. 709 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 1: She doesn't think about her dad that much. What happened 710 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,600 Speaker 1: is her dad died and the mom shut down emotionally 711 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,239 Speaker 1: and she had to take care of herself and she 712 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,600 Speaker 1: had to take care of prim so it's actually a 713 00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:37,560 Speaker 1: mommy issue, but it doesn't really present that way. It's weird. 714 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like it kind of glory like 715 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,359 Speaker 1: the way mothers are presented in this movie are is. 716 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,279 Speaker 1: I mean, it's very limited, but I feel like it 717 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 1: is telling where it seems like we're supposed to assume 718 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,959 Speaker 1: because Peter has a bad, possibly abusive relationship with his mom, 719 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 1: that that's why he treats Cat and is like shit 720 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,880 Speaker 1: at first, which is kind of like a one to 721 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,759 Speaker 1: one and I was like that it should If you're 722 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,600 Speaker 1: going to do that, then you have to explore it. 723 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 1: You can't just be like, that's why you shifty two 724 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,839 Speaker 1: women so you can like him. I thought he was 725 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:13,400 Speaker 1: like shitty to her because he was embarrassed about being 726 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,799 Speaker 1: like bonked on the head with a rolling pin. I'm 727 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,840 Speaker 1: not sure what happened, but he got bonked or whatever, 728 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,600 Speaker 1: and I think he just was just in a shitty 729 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 1: place and like, I didn't I don't want to keep 730 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 1: being the in the book person. But again, this is 731 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,239 Speaker 1: another weakness of the movie. So it's like, on the 732 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,000 Speaker 1: one hand, it seems like a really good adaptation, and 733 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,520 Speaker 1: on the other hand, it totally doesn't convey at all 734 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,520 Speaker 1: what the book version of this was, which is that 735 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,399 Speaker 1: he was like, really, you putting himself on the line 736 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,279 Speaker 1: by throwing her that. But you're not supposed to give 737 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,279 Speaker 1: food to other people in the Hunger games, right in 738 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:54,880 Speaker 1: those worlds, I mean, everyone's hungry. It was like he was, 739 00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:00,239 Speaker 1: everyone's so hungry, and so it's hard us to You're 740 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,160 Speaker 1: so you're allowed to bread at pigs, but not at people. 741 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,680 Speaker 1: It was like that bread was to feed their pigs 742 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,799 Speaker 1: that they need to survive, I think. And then so 743 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,160 Speaker 1: he's like really risking a beating by even throwing her 744 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 1: some bread, and she remembers this so when he steps 745 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,759 Speaker 1: up on stage, at least in the book, she's like, 746 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,719 Speaker 1: it's kind of the sense maybe I'm remembering this wrong. 747 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,600 Speaker 1: That would be amazing if I'm remembering this wrong. But 748 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,160 Speaker 1: but when he steps up on stage, she's like, oh, no, 749 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,080 Speaker 1: the only other person who's been nice to meet my 750 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:36,759 Speaker 1: whole life, Like, I don't want it to be him. 751 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,600 Speaker 1: He like, was he like gave me bread once? Oh 752 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,400 Speaker 1: I read it as she was like, you threw bread 753 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,799 Speaker 1: at me. She's like, you sad that it's Peter. Ah, 754 00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,520 Speaker 1: I did not see that in the movie. The movie, 755 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,520 Speaker 1: it seemed like she was like you threw bread at me, 756 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,400 Speaker 1: you think you're better than me, and like you saw 757 00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,000 Speaker 1: me at my worst when I was like hungry and 758 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,160 Speaker 1: leaning on a tree in the rain. So she does 759 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,680 Speaker 1: not seem bad off. It seems like she was like, yeah, 760 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,359 Speaker 1: I was just like having a nice day on the rain. 761 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:11,759 Speaker 1: Those flashbacks are badly done. It's like none of us. 762 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,560 Speaker 1: I feel like we all had different takeaways from them. 763 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,880 Speaker 1: I just I'm so disinterested in their romantic connection that 764 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:22,800 Speaker 1: I like, honestly wasn't even so is Catnets like she 765 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:27,440 Speaker 1: interested in him. She's not fish to fry, like not dying, 766 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,920 Speaker 1: she's too hungry to be in love. Also, this is 767 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,600 Speaker 1: what I think about a lot in these types of 768 00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,640 Speaker 1: love triangles stories where it's like, Okay, you've got her 769 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,319 Speaker 1: best friend Gayle is apparently in love with her. Um, 770 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,759 Speaker 1: this guy Peter is apparently in love with her. But like, 771 00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,520 Speaker 1: what if Kenness was a lesbian, like because she's just 772 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,160 Speaker 1: been like yeah, it's like she's not because of heteronormativity 773 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,400 Speaker 1: in media, But like, where's the story where she was 774 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:55,440 Speaker 1: like character, I would like if she was queer, But 775 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,120 Speaker 1: it's just like all the romantic stuff. I feel like 776 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,160 Speaker 1: it's just really over done and like not necessary, and 777 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,120 Speaker 1: I would love for the movie to have been fifteen 778 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,439 Speaker 1: minutes shorter. Um, So if they end so they could 779 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,920 Speaker 1: just cut it out, I'll be fine with it. I 780 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,680 Speaker 1: agree now as an adult. But if I was reading this, 781 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,160 Speaker 1: then I'd like all I wanted at was for two 782 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,200 Speaker 1: boys to be in love with me at the same time. 783 00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,920 Speaker 1: It would be like, oh my god, dream come true. 784 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,520 Speaker 1: And so if I was reading this books, I'd be like, yes, 785 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,480 Speaker 1: two boys are in love with her and I am her. Yeah, 786 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,600 Speaker 1: maybe that's why she's still born. Because we talked about 787 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,600 Speaker 1: this sometimes where there will be a boring I mean, 788 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,520 Speaker 1: this is not this can be applied to any gender, 789 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:38,080 Speaker 1: but there will be like a boring main character, especially 790 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,560 Speaker 1: in like y A and teen fiction, where it allows, 791 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,560 Speaker 1: you know, the young person who's reading it or consuming 792 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,960 Speaker 1: it in whatever way to plug themselves into that character. 793 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,439 Speaker 1: But like, yeah, which is you know and you don't. 794 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:53,959 Speaker 1: I guess maybe that was why I was a little 795 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:58,360 Speaker 1: thrown by, because normally they're not female protagonists that get 796 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,040 Speaker 1: this boring plug in treat man, because it's usually like 797 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,160 Speaker 1: you're getting a Harry Potter or you're getting a neo, 798 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,640 Speaker 1: or you're getting just like a Bland dude. But I guess, yeah, 799 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:13,279 Speaker 1: just getting this is progressive taking all that, like the 800 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,600 Speaker 1: pendulum has to swing. I like, I like romance both 801 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,120 Speaker 1: as a genre and as like a thing in other movies, 802 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,840 Speaker 1: and I like a love triangle. I did not like 803 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,239 Speaker 1: this one because I think it was poorly done, Like 804 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,239 Speaker 1: there weren't any seeds that the best friend in her 805 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,360 Speaker 1: were like a thing. And so when he was like, 806 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,360 Speaker 1: oh I can't watch you in the bar, I was 807 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,279 Speaker 1: like what why. I was like, oh, you like her, 808 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,480 Speaker 1: like okay. And then when that's another thing where it's like, oh, 809 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,800 Speaker 1: I guess deep down, I just like always assumed tweet 810 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,880 Speaker 1: end up together, which is like, yeah, like it's like 811 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,560 Speaker 1: what you guys don't even seem to like each other 812 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,680 Speaker 1: until you cosplayed as a rock and then all of 813 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,000 Speaker 1: a sudden she's in love seriously when he does that 814 00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,880 Speaker 1: cosplay as a rock and she's like, oh my god, 815 00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,400 Speaker 1: like let me drag you into this cave and like 816 00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,120 Speaker 1: and he's like, oh I have to paint myself as 817 00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,520 Speaker 1: this cave. Now She's like put it down, like relax 818 00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:14,640 Speaker 1: just to Pitai. I'm just can you imagine how many 819 00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,839 Speaker 1: Instagram followers Pete would have had though? If he could 820 00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,840 Speaker 1: have just painted himself like various surfaces like he been 821 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:26,600 Speaker 1: insanely popular, many sponsors, many parachute he would have got. Yeah, 822 00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,719 Speaker 1: he would have been an influencer. Um, that's we've got 823 00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,319 Speaker 1: to go to another break. But to to wrap up 824 00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,520 Speaker 1: on the relationship, I guess it makes sense in a 825 00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,239 Speaker 1: y A thing. I think it could have been more 826 00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,799 Speaker 1: thoughtfully adapted. And I think it's also like because the 827 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,960 Speaker 1: love triangle or just like a romantic storyline is so 828 00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,960 Speaker 1: pervasive and why fiction, it's just like, can we have 829 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,080 Speaker 1: one where there's not? And I'm sure there are And 830 00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's been several years over a decade since 831 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,719 Speaker 1: these books were published, so I'm sure I haven't read 832 00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:01,040 Speaker 1: much much why A fiction since then. But it's just like, 833 00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,080 Speaker 1: can't we just have a story about like a badass 834 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,840 Speaker 1: young woman like doing cool stuff. And I'm not kissing boys. 835 00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:13,960 Speaker 1: I'm mostly compelled by like Peanut and catness relationship as 836 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,680 Speaker 1: like them faking a relationship to please the masses and 837 00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:22,560 Speaker 1: then actually either not liking each other or like working 838 00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,960 Speaker 1: together and realizing like we have to fake this for 839 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,120 Speaker 1: reality TV, and then we then were full fucking burn 840 00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,200 Speaker 1: the world down, and then it turns into the America 841 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:36,040 Speaker 1: that that's what it is like, exploring that like expectation 842 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,480 Speaker 1: of why a fiction and faking it and having the 843 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,040 Speaker 1: reader know that, Like, I think that that much better story. 844 00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,239 Speaker 1: And the stakes are very high because each of them 845 00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,480 Speaker 1: could be holding that kind of as like both a 846 00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,000 Speaker 1: carrot and stick, as like because you better do what 847 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:52,640 Speaker 1: I need you to do, because otherwise I could just 848 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,920 Speaker 1: tell everyone that like we don't like or if like 849 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,520 Speaker 1: they the powers that be find out that they're faking it, 850 00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:01,480 Speaker 1: then they'll, you know, like be mad, don't we have 851 00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,480 Speaker 1: we have punch ups, Suzanne, uh. And with that, we're 852 00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:13,480 Speaker 1: gonna go to a break. We'll be right back. So 853 00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:18,560 Speaker 1: I think this might be a good transition into There's 854 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:23,120 Speaker 1: been a lot of discussion surrounding race in this movie. 855 00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,799 Speaker 1: Um and as always, we want to open everything up 856 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,000 Speaker 1: to our listeners who may have info and insights that 857 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:33,640 Speaker 1: we don't. But there were two main subjects that I 858 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,520 Speaker 1: found in the coverage of In two thousand twelve when 859 00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,560 Speaker 1: this movie was coming out, there was very upsetting. Yeah, 860 00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:44,719 Speaker 1: the first thing was catanis as being a whitewashed role 861 00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:49,200 Speaker 1: by Jennifer Lawrence having been cast um fans of the book. 862 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it's this is a little trickier to discuss, 863 00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,759 Speaker 1: but but it does seem like to an extent, there 864 00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,000 Speaker 1: is something to that because in the books, Um, she's 865 00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,799 Speaker 1: described as having all of skin and straight black hair, 866 00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:06,880 Speaker 1: which leaves it to open to interpretation. But Jennifer Lawrence 867 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,480 Speaker 1: is not. She does not have all of skin, nor 868 00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,520 Speaker 1: does she have straight black hair. No, and whatever whatever 869 00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,040 Speaker 1: raised Susanne Collins was trying to imply, it doesn't seem 870 00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,640 Speaker 1: like was was reflected in the casting at all, which 871 00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,120 Speaker 1: was sort of a discussion around then, but it didn't 872 00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:26,680 Speaker 1: seem to for fans at this time to disqualify her. 873 00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:28,839 Speaker 1: I know, it's so weird of the seven years ago 874 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:34,680 Speaker 1: and was a different time people barely so that's so 875 00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,640 Speaker 1: that's where that's worth discussing. And also the fact that 876 00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:41,600 Speaker 1: Susan Collins didn't overrule it because she was very integral 877 00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,520 Speaker 1: in the making of this movie and she had the power. 878 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,000 Speaker 1: She's one of the producers, she's one of the writers 879 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,520 Speaker 1: of the script. I can imagine because it's not like 880 00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:54,000 Speaker 1: she was coming off of another very successful franchise. I 881 00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,680 Speaker 1: can imagine a situation in which she fought for that 882 00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:01,400 Speaker 1: and just could not was overrule, get them to budge 883 00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:05,040 Speaker 1: on it. I could say, I mean, yeah, it's it's unfortunate. 884 00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,040 Speaker 1: And it seems like they were this was like a 885 00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:11,480 Speaker 1: very hot time for Jennifer Lawrence. I think she was 886 00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:15,560 Speaker 1: like coming off of Winter's Bone and so yeah, so 887 00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,520 Speaker 1: she was coming off of like it makes sense that 888 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,279 Speaker 1: this would be the time to cast her in a 889 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,040 Speaker 1: huge franchise. But that was a subject of discussion, and 890 00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,520 Speaker 1: it seems like, um, some fans were pretty upset that 891 00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,200 Speaker 1: she had been cast, because that happens all the time. 892 00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,840 Speaker 1: And then the other main subject of discussion that I 893 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,920 Speaker 1: think has changed quite a bit since the movie came 894 00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:39,200 Speaker 1: out is the discussion around the black characters in the movie, 895 00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:44,759 Speaker 1: particularly um there was a lot of to the point 896 00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,600 Speaker 1: where there is an in depth New Yorker essay written 897 00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:55,040 Speaker 1: about it, Yes, about fan backlash when black actors were 898 00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,480 Speaker 1: cast as these parts that it is worth saying they 899 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:03,080 Speaker 1: were written as black care Yeah, that was wild watching 900 00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,120 Speaker 1: that happen. I wasn't I wasn't aware of you. Yeah, 901 00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,759 Speaker 1: I remember, just like actually like just very dumb. So 902 00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:14,160 Speaker 1: you're reading this book and you're like, this character is white, right, 903 00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:18,840 Speaker 1: But yeah, So basically there was a bunch of racist 904 00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,480 Speaker 1: ship heads on mostly Twitter, I think, but kind of 905 00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:29,200 Speaker 1: just ve being so upset that ru was black. I 906 00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:33,759 Speaker 1: remember this, And yeah. So the article that we referenced 907 00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,200 Speaker 1: from The New Yorker is called white until Proven Black, 908 00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:41,400 Speaker 1: Imagining Race and Hunger Games by Anna Holmes. Um, at 909 00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,680 Speaker 1: least that's the one I read it. Okay, so check 910 00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:49,240 Speaker 1: that out, um, because it provides some good insight about that. Yeah, 911 00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,080 Speaker 1: it gives I mean it gives like the full like 912 00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:56,359 Speaker 1: a scope of fans, like someone who scouted out like 913 00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,359 Speaker 1: all the racist tweets made around it, there were, Um 914 00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,960 Speaker 1: let me let me read one directly, just to give 915 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:07,719 Speaker 1: you the idea of what, uh it was like. I mean, basically, 916 00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:11,040 Speaker 1: it was just tweets that said, first of all, that 917 00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,360 Speaker 1: they were surprised that they had cast a black actress 918 00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,960 Speaker 1: to play Rue, and second that they felt less bad 919 00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,840 Speaker 1: when a black woman was killed then if a white 920 00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,239 Speaker 1: woman was killed. So just a lot of really hideous 921 00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:29,200 Speaker 1: biases that have absolutely everything to do with the person 922 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,800 Speaker 1: making the comment because if they you know, and and 923 00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,839 Speaker 1: I think it's a lot of toxic fandom stuff of like, oh, 924 00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,480 Speaker 1: it should have stuck to the book. But it's like 925 00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,920 Speaker 1: Blenny didn't read the book because it was always written 926 00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,160 Speaker 1: as a black character, and and it's nuts that it 927 00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:47,000 Speaker 1: would be like you read the book and Catness is 928 00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:52,439 Speaker 1: like not white question mark, and everybody's like, how dare you? 929 00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,480 Speaker 1: And then you cast a very obviously black character to 930 00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,720 Speaker 1: be a black actress and people were like, oh, she's 931 00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,960 Speaker 1: not white, and it's really the red is white. And 932 00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,080 Speaker 1: then it's also really interesting to look at it in 933 00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,840 Speaker 1: the lens of today, which like I had actually forgotten 934 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,920 Speaker 1: about that whole controversy with the casting of the character room, 935 00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,439 Speaker 1: And when I was watching it just with the lens 936 00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:21,919 Speaker 1: of twenty nineteen, I was like, man, just as a whole, 937 00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,160 Speaker 1: it does kind of suck that like a character of 938 00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,839 Speaker 1: color helps this white protagonist and like points out all 939 00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,560 Speaker 1: the things that she should do to survive. She points 940 00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:36,279 Speaker 1: out the wast and she puts like medicinal leaves on her, 941 00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:40,440 Speaker 1: like wasp bite. Yeah, and then dies and then the 942 00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:44,640 Speaker 1: white character survives to two white characters survived, which is 943 00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:48,319 Speaker 1: not by any means malicious. It's not anything like that. 944 00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,680 Speaker 1: It just reveals an implicit bias that like people don't 945 00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:53,960 Speaker 1: know they have, which is like, oh, well, what's wrong 946 00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,840 Speaker 1: with that? They were? It shows that the black character 947 00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,680 Speaker 1: was smarter, and it's like, yeah, but the winner to 948 00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,040 Speaker 1: have the only girl who's a person of color and 949 00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:06,000 Speaker 1: the entire movie be killed. I mean, she's really only 950 00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,920 Speaker 1: involved in the movie in a meaningful way for maybe 951 00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,080 Speaker 1: twenty minutes and through the like the lens of how 952 00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,600 Speaker 1: does it affect our main character? Right, which I know 953 00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:19,000 Speaker 1: this is not an ensemble film, and that literally everyone 954 00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,480 Speaker 1: dies except for two people, but it's still there is 955 00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:29,040 Speaker 1: still I think that kind I mean, the cast is 956 00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:33,760 Speaker 1: still predominantly white when you consider Elizabeth Banks, Woody Harrelston, 957 00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,440 Speaker 1: for sure, Stanley Tucci, like the GameMaker, the President is 958 00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,400 Speaker 1: not like most of the people are white, with the 959 00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:44,840 Speaker 1: exception of Lenny Kravitz and some extras you see who 960 00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,800 Speaker 1: live in District eleven, which is apparently the only place 961 00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,400 Speaker 1: where the black people live. It's so because I mean, 962 00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,800 Speaker 1: it's and again it seems like that is uh all, 963 00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,480 Speaker 1: I mean, that seems like it obviously is a Hollywood problem, 964 00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,880 Speaker 1: but from what I could find about the book series 965 00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,600 Speaker 1: is that the books were written to be far more diverse. 966 00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,400 Speaker 1: It's like implied that they're like most people are mixed 967 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,479 Speaker 1: race at this point so far in the future, which 968 00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,720 Speaker 1: they would be. Yes, it makes sense, but it's still 969 00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,160 Speaker 1: casts as like an extremely white cast. And if they 970 00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,920 Speaker 1: hadn't done that, Ru's death would not have been so 971 00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,320 Speaker 1: rubbed us the wrong way exactly. But also we can 972 00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:26,560 Speaker 1: all agree that the relationship between ruined Catness is very compelling. 973 00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,600 Speaker 1: It's whereas she has like no chemistry with anyone else 974 00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:34,960 Speaker 1: my favoritely her sister, the actress who plays Rue a 975 00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,360 Speaker 1: man less Stenberg. I think I'm saying that right. I'm 976 00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:41,080 Speaker 1: not totally sure. I have I have some cool quotes 977 00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:45,000 Speaker 1: from her reflecting on this role. But um, my favorite 978 00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:48,240 Speaker 1: example of like how that is the most compelling relationship 979 00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,160 Speaker 1: in the movie is that a man Lestenberg and Jennifer 980 00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:54,840 Speaker 1: Lawrence won the Teen Choice Award for Best Chemistry that year, 981 00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:01,440 Speaker 1: just like fu J Hutcherson, Like apparently all of the 982 00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,520 Speaker 1: teams felt that way. Yeah, so just a few words 983 00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,640 Speaker 1: from a man Listenberg, who, um, if you're if you 984 00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:12,840 Speaker 1: I wasn't following her social media or her like activism 985 00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,800 Speaker 1: very closely before I stumbled across this, but she um, 986 00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,120 Speaker 1: and she's also a non binary. She goes by she 987 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,840 Speaker 1: her and they them, but predominantly she her came out 988 00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:27,160 Speaker 1: in like she's just she's a really really cool She's 989 00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,480 Speaker 1: really cool. And so she did this interview last year 990 00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,760 Speaker 1: when she was promoting uh movie that I don't think 991 00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:34,320 Speaker 1: it was super well received, but it was called The 992 00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,080 Speaker 1: Darkest Minds and it was a sci fi movie that 993 00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,919 Speaker 1: she was the lead of. So she was reflecting on 994 00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:44,560 Speaker 1: the Hunger Games and some of her thoughts quote, it 995 00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,080 Speaker 1: does feel really special to have begun my career with 996 00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:48,640 Speaker 1: The Hunger Games and to be in a place now 997 00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,080 Speaker 1: where I can be cast in the lead of this 998 00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,680 Speaker 1: sort of thing. I don't know that that would have 999 00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:54,840 Speaker 1: been possible. At the same time, in the same way, 1000 00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,280 Speaker 1: she continued, noting that it's only recently that Hollywood and 1001 00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,800 Speaker 1: audiences alike have begun to see the effects of big 1002 01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:05,240 Speaker 1: pushes for on screen diversity, and then she comments on 1003 01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:09,479 Speaker 1: how she viewed the racist backlash against her character because 1004 01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:13,040 Speaker 1: she's only like twelve or thirteen to have to deal 1005 01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:17,280 Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, Um, She reflects on it now and says, 1006 01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,840 Speaker 1: quote there was resistance to having black girls in films 1007 01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,120 Speaker 1: and that black women are dehumanized and their lives are 1008 01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:27,640 Speaker 1: seen as less valuable than white lives. Uh. She This 1009 01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:29,520 Speaker 1: is from a BuzzFeed interview. By the way, she she 1010 01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:31,560 Speaker 1: remembers that one of the main complaints was that Rue's 1011 01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,280 Speaker 1: death became less sad to some viewers when they saw 1012 01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,880 Speaker 1: her as a black girl. Quote. While it was hurt 1013 01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,000 Speaker 1: full when I was twelve, it wasn't shocking. The irony 1014 01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:41,760 Speaker 1: of the whole situation was that Rue was one of 1015 01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,880 Speaker 1: the only characters I could find in the content I 1016 01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:48,400 Speaker 1: loved that was literally written as black. So that is 1017 01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,560 Speaker 1: that her thoughts. She's really cool. She is like also 1018 01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:55,720 Speaker 1: a major She speaks out about colorism in Hollywood a lot. 1019 01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,160 Speaker 1: She turned down a role in Black Panther because she 1020 01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,120 Speaker 1: felt that the should have gone to a darker skinned actor. 1021 01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,960 Speaker 1: She's just she's really cool, so check her out and 1022 01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:10,800 Speaker 1: support all of her stuff. Amazing. Also, speaking of non binary, 1023 01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:14,400 Speaker 1: it made me wonders because, like they say, like a 1024 01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,680 Speaker 1: girl and a boy is selected from each district, and 1025 01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,400 Speaker 1: it's like, okay, does that mean like non binary gender 1026 01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,880 Speaker 1: queer and like intersect, people are off the hook, like 1027 01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:31,919 Speaker 1: maybe this could be spun as good. Absolutely mad, but yeah, 1028 01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:36,200 Speaker 1: just to to wrap up on the conversation about race, 1029 01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,040 Speaker 1: like there's black people in District eleven, there's some black 1030 01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:42,720 Speaker 1: people in the capital, but like in PanAm, there are 1031 01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,720 Speaker 1: no Asian people. There are no like Latin X people. 1032 01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:50,000 Speaker 1: I think there might be one, maybe two Asian tributes, 1033 01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,880 Speaker 1: but the movie could not care less about those characters, 1034 01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,360 Speaker 1: Like they die immediately, Like it's just such a weirdly 1035 01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:01,400 Speaker 1: predominantly white cast or a movie that takes place in 1036 01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:05,560 Speaker 1: a world where people would be much browner. I was 1037 01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:09,240 Speaker 1: going to say, um, perhaps I can provide some perspective 1038 01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:13,800 Speaker 1: having been alive in like what the world was like then. 1039 01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,080 Speaker 1: It's like we just didn't know, Like we were raised 1040 01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,920 Speaker 1: a certain way with certain ideas about race and gender. 1041 01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:25,600 Speaker 1: So like you guys might not understand. But in just 1042 01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:29,480 Speaker 1: six it was still six years old. Yeah, I don't know, 1043 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,360 Speaker 1: so just keep that in mind. It was a very 1044 01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,440 Speaker 1: long time. That's what this this director. I mean, I 1045 01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:40,400 Speaker 1: don't know how involved Gary Ross was in the creative 1046 01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:43,400 Speaker 1: writing decisions of this movie, but um, you know he 1047 01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,360 Speaker 1: doesn't have a great track record on race. He's also 1048 01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:52,400 Speaker 1: directed Pleasant Pills. So yeah, um much diversity and black 1049 01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:58,520 Speaker 1: and White was black and white, I take it back, 1050 01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,360 Speaker 1: and then it had a lot of color at the end. 1051 01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:08,080 Speaker 1: One of our most beloved episodes anyways. So, um, there 1052 01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:12,200 Speaker 1: was like a scene where Catanets is trying to impress 1053 01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:15,080 Speaker 1: the judges. It's at the end of the day. It's 1054 01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:19,520 Speaker 1: like mostly older white men who are like observing and 1055 01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:22,160 Speaker 1: like no one's paying attention to her at this point, 1056 01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,920 Speaker 1: so she like has to do this like drastic thing 1057 01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:28,480 Speaker 1: where she fires the arrow like right near them, and 1058 01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:31,720 Speaker 1: it just reminded me of an all too familiar situation 1059 01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:37,240 Speaker 1: where women are not taken as seriously as other people, 1060 01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:42,120 Speaker 1: namely straight white men, and she has to like work 1061 01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:45,120 Speaker 1: much harder to like garner the same respect that someone 1062 01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:49,680 Speaker 1: like the Cato character just like comes with that privilege 1063 01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:53,880 Speaker 1: of like being respected immediately. I feel like that at 1064 01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:57,120 Speaker 1: least is one of the things that was effectively commented 1065 01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:01,000 Speaker 1: on in the movie. At least, Yeah, I think. So 1066 01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,000 Speaker 1: there's a couple of the things that I um enjoyed 1067 01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:08,080 Speaker 1: too about the movie where this is a rare occurrence, 1068 01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:12,760 Speaker 1: but you get to see a woman using real weapons 1069 01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,480 Speaker 1: when the situation warrants it. Because we talk all the 1070 01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:18,600 Speaker 1: time about how in movies, if a woman has to fight, 1071 01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:22,080 Speaker 1: she's given a frying pan to bank on a guy's head. 1072 01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:27,760 Speaker 1: Just lady things, the kitchen appliances and you know, stuff 1073 01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:32,440 Speaker 1: like that. This is a pervasive trope. Um. So the 1074 01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,080 Speaker 1: fact that she we see, I mean we see lots 1075 01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:38,000 Speaker 1: of weapons, lots of weapons in this yes, and she 1076 01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:40,880 Speaker 1: makes them herself. She makes them herself. She's got a knife, 1077 01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:42,480 Speaker 1: she's got a bone arrow. We get to see a 1078 01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:44,600 Speaker 1: woman do things that we rarely get to see a 1079 01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:48,880 Speaker 1: woman doing movies, which is stuff like hunt, use tools, 1080 01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,760 Speaker 1: climb tree wrap, wrap a little rope around your legs 1081 01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,640 Speaker 1: so you can sleep on a tree, be better than 1082 01:04:55,720 --> 01:05:01,560 Speaker 1: her male counterpart at all of the except for decorates. 1083 01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:05,040 Speaker 1: He's given a traditionally what I would say is a 1084 01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:10,440 Speaker 1: feminine skill, which is like a decorating and really yeah, 1085 01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:17,360 Speaker 1: like cooking and really elaborate makeup and being weaker, yeah, 1086 01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,800 Speaker 1: and being shrill. Honestly, I find Peter to be shrill. 1087 01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:24,280 Speaker 1: He was shrill. I just wish he would calm down. 1088 01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:29,160 Speaker 1: He's hysterical because I didn't mention his hair at the 1089 01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:31,240 Speaker 1: top of the show. He also suffers from a wet 1090 01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:37,440 Speaker 1: hair issue. Yes, very bad hair. Bad hair. Sometimes sometimes 1091 01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:39,920 Speaker 1: I wonder. I'm just like, maybe it's just that Jennifer 1092 01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:44,160 Speaker 1: Lawrence has perfect hair, because that's how that's where all 1093 01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:48,160 Speaker 1: the hair budget, right. Yeah. Yeah, her wigs were too 1094 01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:50,960 Speaker 1: good and then everyone else's suffer. I mean, but like 1095 01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:55,280 Speaker 1: female protagonists need to look clean, she barely looks. I 1096 01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:59,480 Speaker 1: mean there is a makeovers too cute in District twelve. 1097 01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:03,480 Speaker 1: I was I would like blue bad dress. Yeah, her 1098 01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:06,920 Speaker 1: kicky boots, leather jacket, her leather jacket that she got 1099 01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,560 Speaker 1: from H and M. What was that? It was very 1100 01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:14,360 Speaker 1: I liked the jacket to cute. I have almost all 1101 01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:17,560 Speaker 1: of those articles of clothing I considered like showing up 1102 01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:21,840 Speaker 1: and caused playing as you do have that. I've seen 1103 01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:24,680 Speaker 1: that jab, I've got jets that are similar. I've got 1104 01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,000 Speaker 1: the jeans. I don't know, but anyways, I say I 1105 01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:30,000 Speaker 1: didn't buy that. They were poor. Her clothes were like 1106 01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:33,080 Speaker 1: I do not feel sorry for her. Where is she 1107 01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:37,960 Speaker 1: shopping you? You just mentioned the makeover. That was one 1108 01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:41,640 Speaker 1: of the things I actually did like because I feel like, 1109 01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:44,880 Speaker 1: again the movie frames the makeover as unnecessary and wrong. 1110 01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:48,120 Speaker 1: I feel like there was commentary there, right because again, 1111 01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:52,880 Speaker 1: there's like this whole ongoing theme throughout the movie where 1112 01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:55,880 Speaker 1: everyone's telling her catness, you need to be more likable. 1113 01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:58,800 Speaker 1: Oh by Peter saying that he has a crush on you, 1114 01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:02,240 Speaker 1: that makes you seem desirable, which is good. I feel 1115 01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:04,080 Speaker 1: like the movie maybe could have done a little bit 1116 01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:08,280 Speaker 1: more to suggest that that was a bad stance to take, 1117 01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:11,600 Speaker 1: But I think I would say it does enough. But 1118 01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:14,600 Speaker 1: I think that maybe for like younger viewers, it was 1119 01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:20,960 Speaker 1: perhaps too subtle for like pre teens, but it could 1120 01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:25,400 Speaker 1: all have been the author's intent maybe to comment on like, 1121 01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:31,120 Speaker 1: she is great at what she does, she isn't like likable, 1122 01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:33,680 Speaker 1: but she can win these games on her own. But 1123 01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:35,880 Speaker 1: the only way she's going to get outside help is 1124 01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:40,840 Speaker 1: if she seems like softened by somebody being in love 1125 01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,880 Speaker 1: with her. Right, Like, I think that that, like that 1126 01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,960 Speaker 1: was parts of the movie that I totally agree now 1127 01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:49,040 Speaker 1: that you mentioned it that it was if I was 1128 01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:51,880 Speaker 1: like thirteen seeing this movie, would I have picked up 1129 01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:56,040 Speaker 1: on that? Yeah? I don't think I wouldn't I fairly 1130 01:07:56,080 --> 01:08:00,600 Speaker 1: picked up on it yesterday. Well, and you guys have 1131 01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:03,720 Speaker 1: provided a lot of insights, like at the end to 1132 01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,320 Speaker 1: what I really liked at the end, at least for 1133 01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:10,680 Speaker 1: me as an adult woman, was how scary the end was, 1134 01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:14,480 Speaker 1: because like it was very like girl, what you get 1135 01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,360 Speaker 1: yourself into? Trap? And when he grabs her hand and 1136 01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:20,639 Speaker 1: pulls it out like that, and like the weird fakey 1137 01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,360 Speaker 1: like interview part where she's like, I just you know, 1138 01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:30,160 Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine that, like I think. Me now, I'm like, dang, okay, 1139 01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:34,200 Speaker 1: that's like I get it also commentary, But as a 1140 01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:39,000 Speaker 1: thirteen year old I would have been like, uh huh, yeah, 1141 01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:42,559 Speaker 1: like idiot. I wouldn't have picked up on like the 1142 01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:46,880 Speaker 1: whole like aesthetic thing like and how she's made to 1143 01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,880 Speaker 1: be cute and how and how Stanley tis like show 1144 01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,360 Speaker 1: us your dress. I would have been like, wow, awsome dress, 1145 01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:56,280 Speaker 1: Like it wasn't clear enough. You're right that like doing that. 1146 01:08:56,360 --> 01:09:00,120 Speaker 1: Even though it's like as an adult that watches movies exclusively, 1147 01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:03,360 Speaker 1: this way I picked up right. But that's you know, 1148 01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,320 Speaker 1: we're watching it through the lens that we've trained ourselves 1149 01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:09,960 Speaker 1: to watch looking for. Also, does Stanley Tucci play the 1150 01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:11,960 Speaker 1: same character in this movie as he does in The 1151 01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:17,760 Speaker 1: Devil Worst Product? Question answer, yes, yes, yes, yes, a 1152 01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:21,200 Speaker 1: thousand times. Yet I love the tuch but I do 1153 01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:23,519 Speaker 1: think that Alan Common could have played this just as well, 1154 01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:27,799 Speaker 1: and Alfred Molina could have played just as well. Alfred 1155 01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:33,320 Speaker 1: Molina interesting. Interesting for Melina is our best friend. I mean, 1156 01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:36,280 Speaker 1: he's great, but he just wouldn't have gone first. And 1157 01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:39,639 Speaker 1: it's real crime that I wouldn't. A lot of people 1158 01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,880 Speaker 1: make that mistake. A lot of people make the mistake 1159 01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,519 Speaker 1: of not going to Alfred Molina first. He's available to 1160 01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,280 Speaker 1: do podcasts, so he can be in your movie. I'm 1161 01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:51,639 Speaker 1: really growing as a person just talking to you, guys. 1162 01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:55,240 Speaker 1: You're welcome. It's amazing. That's the true mission of this 1163 01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:59,040 Speaker 1: podcast is to get Alfred Molina cast in more roles. 1164 01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:04,240 Speaker 1: Just to go back to the weapons discussion very quickly. Um. 1165 01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:10,840 Speaker 1: According to a study from the Gina Davis Institute, which 1166 01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:16,439 Speaker 1: does a lot of great work, Fell and Olympic archer, 1167 01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:20,439 Speaker 1: which is what this is about. UM, I forgot about they. 1168 01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:24,479 Speaker 1: The institute conducted a study that concluded that seven in 1169 01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:28,840 Speaker 1: ten girls who had taken up archery say that Catanets 1170 01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:32,280 Speaker 1: from The Hunger Games and Princess Meridith from Pixar's brave 1171 01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:38,439 Speaker 1: influenced their decision to take up archery. That's great and perfect. 1172 01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:40,320 Speaker 1: I buy it because I want to do it too, 1173 01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:43,800 Speaker 1: write I mean, and it shows something that we talk 1174 01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:48,240 Speaker 1: about a lot, which is that representation matters. And this 1175 01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:51,639 Speaker 1: studies specifically about archery, but similar studies have been done 1176 01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:54,880 Speaker 1: about like showing women in computer science and other like 1177 01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:59,280 Speaker 1: stem fields and showing those women in those roles in 1178 01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:03,120 Speaker 1: media and not influencing girls and young women to pursue 1179 01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:06,639 Speaker 1: careers in those fields and stuff like that. So, I mean, 1180 01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:09,800 Speaker 1: the more you're represented, or the more a specific thing 1181 01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:13,960 Speaker 1: is represented, the more people, especially young people will think, oh, 1182 01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,840 Speaker 1: I can do that too. Female ghostbusting has gone up 1183 01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:22,679 Speaker 1: nine um no, but that totally I mean, And that's 1184 01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:25,720 Speaker 1: why we're always like pushing for more movies about like 1185 01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:28,559 Speaker 1: women who are also athletes and stuff like that, because 1186 01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,760 Speaker 1: it does. It does make a difference. I think that 1187 01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:35,240 Speaker 1: one of the strengths of this movie is that so 1188 01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:38,040 Speaker 1: it is based on source material from a female author 1189 01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:41,360 Speaker 1: who also was allowed to adapt her own work for 1190 01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:45,280 Speaker 1: the screen. There's three credited writer Suzanne Collins, Gary Ross, 1191 01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:50,439 Speaker 1: and a man bafflingly named Billy Ray Cyrus it's not 1192 01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:53,479 Speaker 1: we do not have the cyrus on me was like, 1193 01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:58,720 Speaker 1: finish the sentence they're hanging, Um, who I mean? And 1194 01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:02,520 Speaker 1: but it seems as if because they're both prolific screenwriters, 1195 01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:04,960 Speaker 1: that they probably had more of a role in just 1196 01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:08,240 Speaker 1: helping uh Suzanne Collins adapt. But she also has a 1197 01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,960 Speaker 1: history of she was a TV writer. She wrote for 1198 01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:15,240 Speaker 1: Clarissa Explains It All and a number of other and 1199 01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:18,439 Speaker 1: the Mystery Files of Shelby woo, oh my god, so 1200 01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:22,280 Speaker 1: many female Yeah, so it is, and it is cool 1201 01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:25,200 Speaker 1: of like, I feel like it's not very common that, 1202 01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:28,759 Speaker 1: especially when there's like I think that this movie definitely 1203 01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:31,439 Speaker 1: benefited from her adapting it. Like, god knows what would 1204 01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:34,160 Speaker 1: have happened if three men had adapted this work, and 1205 01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:37,160 Speaker 1: it would have made her too sexy and it would 1206 01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:39,840 Speaker 1: have rosy, which is another thing that I wanted to 1207 01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:46,439 Speaker 1: real Grossy Josie Grossy. And there's also a legendary female 1208 01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:51,280 Speaker 1: producer involved in this, Nina Jacobsen, who was one of 1209 01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:56,200 Speaker 1: the only women to head a Hollywood film studio ever. Um, 1210 01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:58,559 Speaker 1: so it seems like there were like women in power 1211 01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:02,000 Speaker 1: who were steering this movie in the right direction. And 1212 01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:04,200 Speaker 1: then the last thing I wanted to mention was although 1213 01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:08,040 Speaker 1: there is a male cinematographer animal director, I felt like 1214 01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:12,640 Speaker 1: the way that Jennifer Lawrence, who is very often objectified 1215 01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:17,160 Speaker 1: and uh in movies like her body, is not made 1216 01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:21,400 Speaker 1: a feast of in this movie. Yea for a moment. Yeah, 1217 01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:25,800 Speaker 1: props to to movie for not you know, just making 1218 01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:27,880 Speaker 1: it about her body. Most of the time, she's in 1219 01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:33,120 Speaker 1: full like I mean he talked about mother exclamation point 1220 01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:36,680 Speaker 1: and that's just like out of your relationship, Aaronosky, I 1221 01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:38,559 Speaker 1: don't want anything to do, but yeah, I mean, well 1222 01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:42,080 Speaker 1: instead it's just like a million, like very very tight 1223 01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:48,880 Speaker 1: close up shots of her face and yeah, yeahs. I 1224 01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:51,680 Speaker 1: would just like to throw out there real quick that 1225 01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:54,760 Speaker 1: the album that came out that is not the soundtrack, 1226 01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:58,080 Speaker 1: but it's Hunger Games songs from District twelve, which are 1227 01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:01,200 Speaker 1: just like a lot of like kind of blue grassy 1228 01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:05,800 Speaker 1: and it's all that. It's just one that it's just 1229 01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:11,080 Speaker 1: that it's really good. That's so weird. Now there's this 1230 01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:14,920 Speaker 1: whole album where it's just like inspired by and it's 1231 01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:17,760 Speaker 1: really good, like Arcade Fires on their Nico Cases on 1232 01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:22,720 Speaker 1: their District Must Be. It's like Coleman in country. It's 1233 01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:25,760 Speaker 1: like Appalachia, which is like where I grew up. Brag 1234 01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:34,439 Speaker 1: damn um proud, brag, proud Appalachia. Just like a quick 1235 01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:38,360 Speaker 1: fire list of of last thoughts I had. Hamage calls 1236 01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:41,760 Speaker 1: Catness sweetheart no less than like six times in the 1237 01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:45,040 Speaker 1: movie very annoying. He is not a feminist icon, and 1238 01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:46,920 Speaker 1: I don't think he's framed as one. No, No, he's 1239 01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:50,200 Speaker 1: supposed to be a shout out to the I don't 1240 01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:52,479 Speaker 1: know if we ever learned her name or what district 1241 01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:56,200 Speaker 1: she's from, but the girl with red hair, oh double bun, 1242 01:14:56,439 --> 01:15:00,960 Speaker 1: double b that's a name. It is makes it almost 1243 01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:04,120 Speaker 1: all the way to the very end. Loved her and 1244 01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:07,559 Speaker 1: she's like another type who like doesn't want to kill anyone, 1245 01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:10,120 Speaker 1: but she's just trying to outlast. And that's another thing 1246 01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:11,920 Speaker 1: I want to say, is that, like I was kind 1247 01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:16,000 Speaker 1: of worried that because female characters are so often presented 1248 01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:20,120 Speaker 1: in movies, is like having to be this polite, nice, 1249 01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:24,000 Speaker 1: never would do anything wrong because women are high held 1250 01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:27,559 Speaker 1: to a higher standard than men of like just being 1251 01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,120 Speaker 1: perfect and polite all the time, that like Catnets wouldn't 1252 01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:33,679 Speaker 1: kill anybody, that she would, or just like maybe passively 1253 01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:38,000 Speaker 1: kill someone, but she like she kills different people, and 1254 01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:41,599 Speaker 1: I was like, does does does Peter kill anyone? I'm like, 1255 01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:44,479 Speaker 1: Peter does not kill anyone. I don't think it's too 1256 01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:50,000 Speaker 1: busy painting he is. He had took him six hours 1257 01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:53,240 Speaker 1: to paint himself like a rock, like he should have Realistically, 1258 01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,240 Speaker 1: he should have been killed in the time it took 1259 01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:57,960 Speaker 1: him like a paint And the only reason he got 1260 01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:01,760 Speaker 1: stabbed was because he wouldn't, like stop painting himself as 1261 01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:04,439 Speaker 1: a rock. When somebody attacked him. It was so he 1262 01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:06,479 Speaker 1: was fully painted as a rock. And that guy was 1263 01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:09,040 Speaker 1: like running and tripped and fells like but he's like, 1264 01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:16,800 Speaker 1: he's like keeping together, got me again, don't feel rocks 1265 01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:20,800 Speaker 1: to last things real quick? Um. On the train to 1266 01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:24,840 Speaker 1: the capital, Hey, Mitch asks Catnis if she will pass 1267 01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:30,240 Speaker 1: the marmalade. So, mich is basically Paddington. So I mean, 1268 01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:33,519 Speaker 1: but I mean, I know Paddington is a million times 1269 01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:39,040 Speaker 1: better Stare. But so let me rephrase um feminist icon. 1270 01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:42,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you're not wrong, he is a feminist icon. 1271 01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:45,519 Speaker 1: Mitch is trying to emulate Paddington in this scene, but 1272 01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:49,160 Speaker 1: he does not succeed because Hay Midge sucks and Paddington 1273 01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:52,080 Speaker 1: would give him a hard stare, and Paddington would never 1274 01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:56,680 Speaker 1: wear that wigton or be drunk. Paddington wears raincoat. I 1275 01:16:56,760 --> 01:17:00,760 Speaker 1: was gonna getting prepared to be wet there. Really he 1276 01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:04,519 Speaker 1: should have been in the Hungary game. He would have 1277 01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:10,320 Speaker 1: died immediate, almost instantly. And then finally there is a 1278 01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:13,600 Speaker 1: cat that belongs to I think prim that hisses a 1279 01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:17,280 Speaker 1: catnet at the very beginning, just reminder that cats do 1280 01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:23,800 Speaker 1: have eight nipples and cat and I actually wow, I 1281 01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,920 Speaker 1: was on how many nipples does a cat miss have? 1282 01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:28,960 Speaker 1: I was on the phone with my boyfriend and I 1283 01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:33,320 Speaker 1: accidentally called her cat call Everdeen three times. I was like, yeah, 1284 01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:37,719 Speaker 1: cat call and he was like no, no, no, any 1285 01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:42,000 Speaker 1: other final thoughts. That's all right, let's does the movie 1286 01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:47,160 Speaker 1: pass the Bechtel cats? It does, doesn't It never not 1287 01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:51,559 Speaker 1: pass the I mean when women are talking, it's rarely 1288 01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:55,639 Speaker 1: about a man kind of trying to say, like being hungry, 1289 01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:59,200 Speaker 1: what they should do if kind of dies, right, how 1290 01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:02,080 Speaker 1: they should not be Dystopia is going to be doing 1291 01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:04,000 Speaker 1: a lot for the Bechdel test. We just will not 1292 01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:07,360 Speaker 1: have time to talk about men. Yeah, talking about survival 1293 01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:10,599 Speaker 1: does that happen even once that that that it does 1294 01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:13,639 Speaker 1: not pass that, like two women talk about men. I 1295 01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:18,960 Speaker 1: feel like maybe the dad comes out that what's her name, 1296 01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:22,560 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Banks? I think is maybe talking to her about 1297 01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:27,200 Speaker 1: the peta fakery something. But most of the time between 1298 01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:30,479 Speaker 1: like Catinus and prim Catiness and her mom Catiness and 1299 01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:37,200 Speaker 1: Effie and Rue, it's passing is always passing, which is 1300 01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:39,960 Speaker 1: which is very impressive for a movie this popular to 1301 01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:44,080 Speaker 1: like more often than not be passing for sure. Movie, 1302 01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:47,600 Speaker 1: let's write the movie on our nipple scale zero to 1303 01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:53,280 Speaker 1: five nipples based on representation and treatment of women. I'm 1304 01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:58,760 Speaker 1: gonna go with the I suppose us three because on 1305 01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:00,920 Speaker 1: one hand, it's like, okay, it, you got this like 1306 01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:06,200 Speaker 1: kick ass young woman who the young people who this 1307 01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:09,840 Speaker 1: franchise is for can like plug themselves into and see 1308 01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:14,120 Speaker 1: an awesome, kick ass, strong female protagonists represented on screen. 1309 01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:19,439 Speaker 1: Really bugs me about the love triangle and the romantic 1310 01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:25,160 Speaker 1: relationship that feels very wedged in and unnecessary, the failure 1311 01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:27,840 Speaker 1: to be more inclusive when it comes to race and 1312 01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:31,120 Speaker 1: the casting choices, stuff like that. But it is cool 1313 01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:33,720 Speaker 1: that she gets to, you know, use a weapon to 1314 01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:38,640 Speaker 1: kill people with and not a frying pan, So points 1315 01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:43,639 Speaker 1: for that. Um, I'll give one nipple to Rue, I'll 1316 01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:49,240 Speaker 1: give one nipple to the tooch, and I'll give my 1317 01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:54,160 Speaker 1: last nipple to two buns, the girl with red hair 1318 01:19:54,240 --> 01:20:00,240 Speaker 1: who survives almost the entire time. Clever clever Bus, I 1319 01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:05,800 Speaker 1: would watch a cartoon called clever Buns. Clever Buns. I'll 1320 01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:08,240 Speaker 1: go three point five on this one. I liked it. 1321 01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:10,439 Speaker 1: I liked it just like in general, I enjoyed the 1322 01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:13,439 Speaker 1: movie way more than I was expecting to, and like 1323 01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:15,680 Speaker 1: I had a lot of fun watching it for the 1324 01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:18,840 Speaker 1: most part. And yeah, I mean I think that they're 1325 01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:23,639 Speaker 1: this movie. It makes some pretty egregious errors in regards 1326 01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:26,280 Speaker 1: to how race is depicted, when it seems like the 1327 01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:29,800 Speaker 1: source material was there for that to not happen. Um, 1328 01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:33,840 Speaker 1: so don't like that. I like Catness is character. I 1329 01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:36,320 Speaker 1: feel like she checks a lot of boxes, even though 1330 01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:39,880 Speaker 1: I found her to be boring personally. I guess the 1331 01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:43,360 Speaker 1: the thing I'm really deducting nipples for, if we're getting 1332 01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:47,080 Speaker 1: into the weeds on it is I just like I 1333 01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:51,519 Speaker 1: wish that Ru was not sacrificed to give Catness more, 1334 01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,680 Speaker 1: which again I think is sort of like if she 1335 01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:56,840 Speaker 1: were not the only woman of color. That would be 1336 01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,559 Speaker 1: a less egregious thing. But because of the way it's presented, 1337 01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:02,439 Speaker 1: it's it's like it just seems like you're sacrificing one 1338 01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:06,519 Speaker 1: of your only black characters to reinforce the white woman 1339 01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:10,559 Speaker 1: woman's mission, which is like I don't love that. Uh, 1340 01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:13,559 Speaker 1: and and just kind of what we were all talking 1341 01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:15,639 Speaker 1: about with I feel like there's a lot of stuff 1342 01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:17,800 Speaker 1: that we picked up on in this movie that the 1343 01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:21,840 Speaker 1: intended audience might not necessarily pick up on. So hitting 1344 01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:24,280 Speaker 1: I mean, in y A movies, you got you gotta 1345 01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:27,519 Speaker 1: really kind of hit the points rather hard for them 1346 01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:30,559 Speaker 1: to get across. Um, so I'll go I'll go three 1347 01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:33,640 Speaker 1: point five. Though I enjoyed it. I'll give one to 1348 01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:40,839 Speaker 1: prim because I liked her. I'll give one too clever Buns, 1349 01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:45,120 Speaker 1: give one to ru, and I'll give my happy to 1350 01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:51,040 Speaker 1: Mr Kravitz. Yes, very good, Kelly, I'm gonna do at 1351 01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:54,439 Speaker 1: three point seven five. Um love them when I gets 1352 01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:58,520 Speaker 1: the exact Yeah. Well, because I'm a little more okay 1353 01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:01,080 Speaker 1: with the romance, just because I do like romances. I 1354 01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:03,720 Speaker 1: wish it was done better. All of my deductions are 1355 01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:06,880 Speaker 1: going to be because of mostly because of how race 1356 01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:09,479 Speaker 1: is kind of handled. I just think you can't help 1357 01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:11,599 Speaker 1: but look at this and with the like the things 1358 01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:15,240 Speaker 1: that we know now, the wetness of the wig is 1359 01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:18,559 Speaker 1: I'm that's maybe a full nipple that I think, So 1360 01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:22,920 Speaker 1: the bulk of it is the wet wig. But like 1361 01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:26,639 Speaker 1: you know, I think because I actually I almost hate 1362 01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:29,880 Speaker 1: it more when things are too ham fisted and when 1363 01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:31,680 Speaker 1: things are too like bonking you on the head with 1364 01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:37,400 Speaker 1: like this is feminist, Like I am okay with it 1365 01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:40,760 Speaker 1: just because I'm being selfish and just purely rating this 1366 01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:42,840 Speaker 1: on how I'm liking it rather than like how I 1367 01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:45,439 Speaker 1: would have liked it at thirteen. To me, I think 1368 01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:48,840 Speaker 1: it did handle like, hey, this is kind of how 1369 01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:52,439 Speaker 1: the patriarchy is treating women and like kind of parading 1370 01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:54,720 Speaker 1: them around and that kind of thing. So for me, 1371 01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:57,400 Speaker 1: that's that's why it sits at a pretty three point seven. 1372 01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:01,439 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna do one one for ever Buns because 1373 01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:03,439 Speaker 1: they did like her. She really ended up being the 1374 01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:06,080 Speaker 1: hero of this unsung hero. I was going to say 1375 01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:10,400 Speaker 1: she's the MVP of Hunger Games. She was. She was. 1376 01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:19,120 Speaker 1: She was really hustling, hustling. Um one for oh Catness's 1377 01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:25,320 Speaker 1: leather jacket at the beginning, UM one for Rue because 1378 01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:27,400 Speaker 1: I did really love Rue and I wished I also 1379 01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:30,760 Speaker 1: wished she didn't die. And then point seven five to 1380 01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:36,640 Speaker 1: the touches teeth, they were so good. Thank you for 1381 01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:39,400 Speaker 1: not letting that drop off. Irresponsible of me as a 1382 01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:42,680 Speaker 1: Vineers scholar to not point out, yes, I mean just 1383 01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:47,639 Speaker 1: very like chick Lidy, Veneers really hold on. It's amazing 1384 01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:50,479 Speaker 1: you can understand a word. He says, yes, But he's 1385 01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:54,160 Speaker 1: a professional, professional, always a professional. What if he, like 1386 01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:56,680 Speaker 1: had to train ten hours a day. Tod talked with 1387 01:23:56,720 --> 01:24:02,800 Speaker 1: those Veneers, I went to Veneer training, filming began. Um 1388 01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:08,559 Speaker 1: I so as far as like just full on movie review, 1389 01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:12,960 Speaker 1: I would do three nips as far as ethnic diversity, 1390 01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:18,400 Speaker 1: a mere one nip as far as female representation. And 1391 01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:24,519 Speaker 1: this is mostly based on the actual content and intention less. 1392 01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:29,160 Speaker 1: So on direction. I think direction is where the messaging 1393 01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:33,360 Speaker 1: fell short, perhaps and where things got muddy. I don't 1394 01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:35,760 Speaker 1: think it was the writing. I think the writing was 1395 01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:38,160 Speaker 1: very solid. So I'm gonna give it four. I'm gonna 1396 01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:42,040 Speaker 1: give it four nips for just female representation. And that's 1397 01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:44,559 Speaker 1: one of the things where the Hunger Games fall short, 1398 01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:47,680 Speaker 1: where the Twilight franchise does not because the first installment 1399 01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:51,280 Speaker 1: of the Twilight franchise was directed by a woman, where 1400 01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:53,760 Speaker 1: you would think that the Hunger Games would benefit from 1401 01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:57,080 Speaker 1: a female director, because it would, and they did not 1402 01:24:57,240 --> 01:25:01,719 Speaker 1: make the right choice. We gotta do more Twilight movies 1403 01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:03,800 Speaker 1: on the podcast, I think, but well, but then I 1404 01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:06,880 Speaker 1: don't think Katherine Hardwick ever directs a Twilight movie again, 1405 01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:11,839 Speaker 1: because sexism. Right, it's true, but it's true alright. Anyway, 1406 01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:19,120 Speaker 1: two to clever Buns, thank you, One to rue and 1407 01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:23,400 Speaker 1: one to Ruise. Really artfully done funeral bed. Oh, beautiful 1408 01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:27,599 Speaker 1: funeral bed. It's a suitiful funeral bed. Found a lot 1409 01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:33,080 Speaker 1: of good fan arts surrounding that honorable mention to Peter 1410 01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:40,639 Speaker 1: as a rock. He doesn't, No one gave, but it's 1411 01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:43,880 Speaker 1: just it's just because rocks. He was in disguise so well, 1412 01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:47,000 Speaker 1: and rocks don't have nipples, so that is always concealed, 1413 01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:54,360 Speaker 1: that is covered in nipples. We're clever buns, buns just nipples, 1414 01:25:54,640 --> 01:26:01,880 Speaker 1: I mean a deep feminist reading desert real clever nips. Uh. Well, 1415 01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:04,560 Speaker 1: thanks to the both of you for coming on the podcast. 1416 01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:06,960 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having us. This is very fun. 1417 01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:10,240 Speaker 1: What would you like to plug? Where can people follow 1418 01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:15,280 Speaker 1: you online individually as a podcast you name it? I 1419 01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:18,840 Speaker 1: am Kelly Nugent. You can find me on Twitter and 1420 01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:21,519 Speaker 1: Instagram at Kelly nugi k E l l y n 1421 01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:25,040 Speaker 1: U g e E. If you have l Ray Network 1422 01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:28,320 Speaker 1: on your cable package, you can watch me on l 1423 01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:34,680 Speaker 1: Ray Nation that is Thursday nights, seven thirty pm Pacific, 1424 01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:38,800 Speaker 1: where I talk about all things pop culture. UM. 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I think 1435 01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:22,560 Speaker 1: everybody who watches it will like it. Hell yeah, incredible. 1436 01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:25,160 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming, Thanks for having and 1437 01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:28,280 Speaker 1: may the odds ever be in your favorite Oh we 1438 01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:30,960 Speaker 1: off the plug stuff to u you can follow us, 1439 01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:35,200 Speaker 1: but it was like, um, are we going to keep going? 1440 01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:39,599 Speaker 1: You can catch us on all the social needs at 1441 01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:43,840 Speaker 1: back dol cast. You can uh sign up for our 1442 01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:47,880 Speaker 1: Patreon at Patreon a k Matreon at patreon dot com, 1443 01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:51,240 Speaker 1: slash batel Cast, where we're serving you two extra episodes 1444 01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:55,200 Speaker 1: a month four five dollars. What a bargain. 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