WEBVTT - Linguistic Programming 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:06.640 It's to forty seven am in the Southern Reach and 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:18.720 you're listening to Night Cole Hi. I'm Test Lynch in 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:22.000 Los Angeles, and with me are Lolly Lambard. And in 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:26.520 New York, I'm Emily Oshita. Welcome back tonight, Call you guys. Um. 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:29.920 We have a very exciting podcast for you today. But 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:32.240 we're going to kick off with the most important topic, 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:39.640 which is Kim Kardashian Always Otaku Kim Kardashian and Taku 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:44.919 notice me sent pie. Kim Kardashian has been doing a 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:48.800 lot of Instagram posting recently since having her baby Chicago, 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.680 and people have been noticing that they're sort of increasingly 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:56.680 thirst trappy with what she's been doing, where it's just 0:00:56.760 --> 0:01:00.480 like something more crazy each time, or more trying to 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:04.520 get attention. E people are surmising that she feels insecure 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:08.480 about Kylie surpassing her. That's the number one Kardassian and 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:12.760 now also the number one Kardashian mom. So well, actually 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:14.959 there's only one number one Kardashian mom, and you know 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:20.200 it's Chris Theo is not a Kardashian. It's true, but 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:22.560 let's be real. She's the ultimate. She's the Queen. I 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:26.200 thought you're gonna say Courtney, but I do love Courtney's 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:28.000 Like Courtney is the only one who seems like maybe 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:31.839 Chill and mom Secretly Chill. I feel a little disconnected 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:36.080 from things because I can't understand how anybody, especially somebody 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:42.280 within her own family, would find Kylie's circumstances and motherhood 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:45.640 right now to be in any way enviable. But that's 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:50.200 just me. It's sexy to have a baby when you're 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:55.680 a billionaire, billionaire babies just to prove you can do 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:59.080 it exactly. I mean, you know, I'm trying to be 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:02.760 open minded, but she did put a Snapchat filter on 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:04.640 the first picture of the baby, and I was like, 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:07.840 this baby is doomed. Don't you say that about all 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:10.120 the babies at various points, like didn't we probably say 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:12.160 that about Kendall and Kylie? And like the first season 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:15.960 of Me Again, Like now, I'm like, that's so like 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:19.519 they didn't have a Snapchat filter on their infant photos. 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:24.400 That really made me go, huh or a new world now. 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:28.280 I saw a story the other day that was about 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:32.040 people bringing in Snapchat filter selfies to plastic surgeons. It's 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:35.040 apparently really common now and they come out with roses 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:38.639 growing on their forehead. Yes, sparkles and spangles on their 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:41.760 weird dilated pupils. Yeah. Yeah, they're like, I want to 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:45.760 look at like, make me look like this, dear filter, 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:49.480 I want to be a deer. Um. So, Kim Kardashian 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:52.200 posted on her Instagram she now has pink hair. That's 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:54.760 her new her new uh Instagram stunt is that she 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.640 got pink hair. And she posted a picture of an 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:02.560 anime babe with pink hair, and so this was my inspiration. Yeah, 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:06.840 and uh, Emily, I'll defer to you as the expert 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:10.919 um anime podcaster. Yeah, what do you think it means? 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:13.720 What do I think it means? Well, I mean I 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:16.400 think we discussed this maybe on a group chat that 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:19.560 obviously well, I mean, I won't rule out the fact 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:23.119 that that Kim enjoys herself some automy on her own, 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:26.119 but I feel like, definitely Kanye has made her watch 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:29.480 a Kira at some point. That has definitely happened at 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:32.120 some point in their relationship. Um, and where she chose 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:36.280 to go with her fandom and interest in the medium 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:39.920 from there is uh, you know, anyone's guests. But I 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:42.800 do think that right now there is I would be 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:47.640 more shocked about Kim embracing on me or even taking 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:50.560 style cues from Automy at any other time, but right 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:53.480 now I feel like it is. Uh there's a wave 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:56.720 right now of celebrities coming out of their otaku closets. 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:59.200 But aren't you glad about it? Because at least it's 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:02.320 like reclaiming it back from the alt right, who we 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:05.480 were concerned had sort of taken over anime avatars. Yes, 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:09.120 they try to take over everything, but they're not taking anime. Yes, 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:11.360 I mean I am I am a d percent for that. 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:14.640 I'm a hundred percent for Michael B. Jordan's um talking 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:18.599 about Naruto UM in an interview. I mean, it's it's 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:22.120 it's very it's very endearing. Or are you such a 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:25.080 snob that you're like it devalues my Naruto fandom now 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:29.599 that you're going to funk about Naruto like, uh, he 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:32.640 can have it, But it's it's still very sweet, like 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:35.800 and I've I like to like just I mean, it 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:39.000 could be Fraser, you know. I like to imagine beautiful 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:46.080 celebrities at home watching Netflix, watching you know, Pokemon or 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:48.800 whatever in their free time. That's very that makes me 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.479 feel like, I, you know, they're one of us. You 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:54.839 have a generous spirit. Well, I mean I don't. Yeah, 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:56.960 it's hard for me to be snobby about on me 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:59.159 because I'm like, you know, I've I've explained this. I 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:00.960 used to explain this on the podcast that I used 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:03.720 to have it. I'm not like a like expert by 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:05.880 any means. I don't know what that character is that 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:08.920 Kim posted and I didn't look it up actually in 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:10.960 time for this podcast, which I probably should have done. 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:16.120 But uh, you know, it's it's cool, like I I 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:18.520 don't know, I'm not mad at it. Uh, And I 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:21.479 feel like it's just about growth of the fact that 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:23.560 all these shows are so much easier to watch now 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:28.080 than they were like when we were when we were teen. Yeah, 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:30.520 so you know, it's accessible and it just couldn like, 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:33.440 you know, absorb itself into the culture a little more 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:36.279 easily than it could have a while ago. It's just 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:39.159 fright and cool. Like well, last week we talked about 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:42.080 Phantom Thread, but not in time for the podcast. Molly 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:46.480 got a text from her friend illuminating a theory that 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:48.520 we all thought was really interesting. So we wanted to 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:51.280 just jump back so that we could kind of explore 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:56.960 this theory. So, uh, Phantom of the Theory time UM. 0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:01.719 Friend of the podcast, Gil Keenan, who is also a 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:05.200 director from the San Fernando Valley UM, told me that 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:06.880 he had to fandom throwd theory. He would let me 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:09.280 in on after I saw the movie. So when I 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:11.680 asked him what it was, I will read it. He 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:14.520 texted it to me. He said, oh, just that Alma 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:17.359 is a camp survivor. Her parents were killed there. She 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:19.560 made it to England after the war, and the recent 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:22.240 memory of the loss is what makes her so strangely numb, 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:27.320 but also equipped to handle Woodcock and whose gestapo sister. Also, 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.159 she becomes weirdly animated by the disrespect that the old 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:32.679 rich lady shows to the dress. After the press conference 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:35.000 scene where the fit press asked the fiance about his 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:42.680 family's involvement in his scandal involving Jewish visas, m and 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:47.240 I wrote back, Oh, it's the night Porter, which is 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:50.880 my answer to everything. It was interesting to kind of. 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:53.599 I think Molly dived deep, as did I into the 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:58.240 into finding ways to justify this theory. But I'll let 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:00.640 Molly go first. And Emily, I bet you of your 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:03.080 own thoughts, but it was it was thought provoking because 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:05.760 that the Jewish visas thing really stood out in the 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:10.040 movie as being like very specific information that was kind 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:13.880 of dropped and then not really revisited. So I think 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:15.560 it's stuck out to all of us as being kind 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:18.360 of strange. Yeah. I mean, also if Paul Thomas Anderson 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:20.160 wants to call us and be like, you know nothing 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:24.240 of my work, like we just give us anything we 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:28.440 like to theorize. But you know, I'm also willing to 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:31.760 accept that this might not be true at all. But um, Emily, 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:34.960 what did you think? Um? Well, I mean, I I 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:37.520 really like the theory. I think I think it would 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:42.840 explain I think I would explain her resistance to Reynolds 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:46.000 and Cyril if she was forced into the situation, like 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:48.480 if she was hired as a maid or something like that. 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:51.800 But she's you know, she's drawn to her herself. It's 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:54.080 not just a resisting of a thing. It's like she's 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:59.920 actually attracted to there. They're just stop at ways. Well 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:03.200 to the night Porter comes in. Yeah, well, yeah, so 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:06.440 I feel like I don't know, I would I would 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:11.200 need a little more psychological back up there. As far 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:14.680 as I said she could stand forever. Yeah, because she 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:19.440 has the resilience. Did as the Robert gray Smith did 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:22.920 a lot of real research and came back with much 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:26.240 information that I don't know if it supports the theory, 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:28.400 but there's there's some interest. I kind of went down 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:31.880 a rabbit hole and found like some weird some weird threads, 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:34.640 if you will. So one thing that I found, um 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:39.440 that was interesting from Nylon. It doesn't address the you know, 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:44.560 Holocaust in particular, but it is interesting visa VI that scene. 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:48.680 So it The article says one of Woodcock's most important 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:52.160 clients is the heiress Barbara Rose. Anderson gives hair is 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:54.320 only four scenes in the Phantom Thread, and they're not 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:56.760 long in terms of length, but it seems that Barbara 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.280 Rose is like a message stitched into the fabric of 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:02.800 the narrative, and her appearance feels crucial to understanding the 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:06.640 rather obscure meanings of the movie. Oh yes, it does so. 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:11.040 Basically though her first name is Barbara, you know, it 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:13.160 didn't occur to me that Harris was playing a role 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:17.000 based on the Woolworth heiress Barbara Hutton until her second scene. 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:19.200 This is all quoted from Nylon by the way where 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:23.000 Anderson stages, Barbara Rosa is humiliating press conference announcing her 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:25.520 marriage to a noted playboy who is clearly meant to 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:29.480 be the infamous Porferrio ruber Rosa. So then there's a 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:33.000 Vanity Fair profile and ruber Rosa. It says um that 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:36.480 he was unable to return to his country because he 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:40.000 was basically, you know, he would he had been selling 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:43.000 Dominican visas to Jews wishing to flee Europe and had 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:45.840 been kind of found out. And Barbara Hutton was the 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:49.079 poor little rich girl that would you know, for every 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:52.160 poor little rich girl movie and book has been based 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:54.959 on Um. So she was kind of like a sad sack. 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:57.320 She I think she got married six times or something 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:00.680 and at one point was married to a grant Like 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:04.000 she was a really kind of bizarre and like sad 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:06.880 person who squandered her fortune. Yeah, this is the thing 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:08.880 I was talking about last week, but I couldn't remember 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:10.920 the names of them. So yeah, there's a lot of 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:16.120 further reading on Barbara Hutton and Porfirio Um on the 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:18.719 internet to be found. I think several people. I think 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:22.560 there's a piece on Vanity Fair about it. As well. Yes, 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:24.680 that was there was a vanity there's a nylon piece 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:27.520 in the Vanity Fair piece about Barbara Hutton too. I 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:32.760 also found some interesting things about people who were sewing 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:38.560 secret messages into needlework while they were in Nazi camps. Um. 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:43.280 There was a guy named Alexis Castalli and he was 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:46.120 he would add secret messages to the stuff that he 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:50.200 was sewing. Um in morse code around you know, some 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:53.600 piece of needlework. He wrote, funk Hitler. And then there 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.520 was also um the case there were like all of 0:10:56.520 --> 0:11:01.520 these women who were working under Hedwig Pois, who was 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:05.000 the wife of a concentration camp commander, and she had 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:08.959 a dressmaking workshop where they would do hoach culture um 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:12.720 and kind of like make these gowns for for you know, 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:16.760 Nazi events. Um. And there was a book about it 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:18.880 that I guess then was adapted into a young adult 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:22.160 novel by a woman named Lucy ad Linton. But had 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:25.160 said that there's a I pulled a quote from an 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:28.680 article in the Express about this, but it says the 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:32.280 clients even came to the concentration camp camp workshops for 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:35.360 fittings and consultations, all part of what ad Linton calls 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:38.560 the repulsive mock civilization of the Nazi regime. One of 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:42.959 the Auschwitz seamstresses, a Slovakian dressmaker named Lulu Gruenberg, could 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:45.680 barely control her resentment at the indifference and arrogance of 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:49.480 the women for whom she was making clothes to survive. Okay, 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:52.280 that's just super interesting. I went away down the hole 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:55.120 on this. That also sounds like like that does sound 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:57.920 like made for a novel. Also, I believe that there 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:01.000 is a novel based on that. That's fascinating. Someone like 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.160 make a movie about that. Yeah, I know somewhere in 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:05.400 the article they said they were sewing for their lives, 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:07.520 like they were trying to prove their talent and like, 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:10.000 you know, worth to be kept around, and all the 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:13.240 Nazi things where they made people like do creative stuff 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:15.679 to like prove that they should survive, like the musicians. 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:19.400 You know. It's that's the scariest. It is the scariest thing. 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:21.280 I don't know why, I mean, I do know why. 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:24.240 It's strange that all. I mean, it's it's interesting that 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:28.000 you can kind of find these weird, you know, articles 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:30.760 that that seemed to relate to the phantoms I mean 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:33.480 it's definitely about a certain time, and then you get 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:36.160 into like the seamstresses and the hidden messages being sewed 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:40.440 into things. But it's it was interesting the passports or 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:44.440 the visa line being like this weird clue and you 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.520 think you're going to follow it and find something concrete, 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:52.040 but you but it is a phantom threat. It's merely 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:55.920 a phantom thread. So let's take a night call. And 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:58.439 as always, if you want to leave us a night call, 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:00.440 you can give us a call at one two four 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:04.040 oh four six night that's one two four oh four 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.520 six night. Or you can email us at Night Call 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:10.800 Podcast at gmail dot com. Which other whichever method do 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:13.520 you prefer, is a okay with us, and just leave 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:17.839 us your questions, theories, comments, just your thoughts and we 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:21.360 will will address them on air. So we have a 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:26.400 call today about a little movie that I think we've 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:31.120 all seen. Let's see. Hey, this is Charlie in Texas. 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:36.280 It is twelve oh five am, true night call hours. 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:40.800 I just got out of the screening of Annihilation, which 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:45.400 fucking ruled everyone should go see it. Um, But I 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:47.760 notice this is like the third time in a row 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:52.600 where I've seen a movie and Jennifer Jason Lee randomly 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:56.160 popped up and it made the movie a lot better. 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:59.920 So I was wondering if there's any actors or act 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.000 is that you, guys, you rarely pop up in movies 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.880 that you never will bring a good time? All right, thanks, 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:11.160 So I really appreciate Charlie's p s a to go 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:16.760 see Annihilation, a movie that I quite like spoiler alert, 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:20.040 But um, I fear that it might be a little 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:22.560 too late for it, seeing as I think it's like 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:25.440 maybe still in five theaters in the United States by 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:29.280 the time you're hearing this podcast. Um. But yes, Jennifer 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:33.560 Jason Lee is in it, and she's very scary and 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:36.600 weird in it, and uh, I'm I'm a fan of 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:39.240 Jennifer Jason Lee, and I feel like it isn't I 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:41.800 feel like she rarely pops up, though I'm usually very 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:43.800 aware that Jennifer dationally is going to be a movie 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.000 before I see it. I had a spooky experience because 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.080 I had no idea she was in this movie, and 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:51.360 my mind was wandering and I was for some reason 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:55.360 thinking about, like, hey, it's so weird that No bom 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:58.280 Bach was married to Jennifer Jason Lee and it is 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:01.600 now Date's greta girl right And then like as I 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:05.760 was thinking it was like, then she appeared on willed 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:07.880 Her and I like was so weird it out because 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:10.680 I was like, I don't normally just think about Jennifer 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:14.200 ducing Lee. But I was also I was so happy 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:18.000 to see her, um, and she really brought me back 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:20.240 into the movie. She was fantastic in that. But wait, 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:23.400 what what actors are you guys always happy to see 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:27.880 um Luise Gusman. Yeah, that's a great one. Um. I 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:30.440 kept trying to think of people and I just ended 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:34.160 up coming back to everybody in the Paddington movies. Jim 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:36.480 Broadbent is a big one for me. Um. I love 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:40.360 a Jim Broadbent cameo slash appearance. You know who used 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:41.720 to be one for me or like, I mean he 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:44.040 is no longer with us our I p but um, 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:47.440 when he appears in kind of if I'm watching an 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:50.680 oldie or some you know, kind of b list thing 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:52.840 I've never seen before, if Pete postal Weight shows up 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:55.960 in something, I'm always really into that. Oh yeah, well 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:59.320 that also leads us into this this Danny Boyle Yes 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:03.440 conversation tonight can I say mine because I have too, Sorry, 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:09.920 Danny Boyle, affiliated Yes, mine are Martin Maull because he 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.480 was in an episode of Taxi and he was also 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:15.640 in an episode of The Golden Girls, and like, I 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:17.720 remember both of them, and then I was I was looking. 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:20.760 I was like, oh, you know what's his wikipedia And 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:23.080 it's just like full of those things. And then also 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:27.680 Richard Maser, we've ever seen Fernwood Tonight. No, that is 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:31.120 the best show in the world. Uh, and kind of 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:33.200 what I want night called to be, like what it's 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:38.360 like a spinoff of Mary Hartman. Mary Hartman. Oh, yeah, 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:41.120 that's all I'll say. Fernwood Tonight, That's what I calls 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:45.920 very Friendwood Tonight inspired. Let's talk Annihilation. Let's talk about Annihilation. 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:48.960 I wish Martin Maull had been in an He should have. 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:52.000 Maybe he was maybe he was double Emily. I'm going 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:54.840 to break your heart right now. Okay, go for it. 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:58.320 Test and I did not love Annihilation as much as 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:02.280 you did. I think, well, you test actively disliked it. 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:06.399 I was more more kind. I think I liked a 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:08.040 lot of things about it, and I thought about it 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.959 a lot afterwards. Um, we also sell it at eleven 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:13.720 in the morning. That's the best time to see any movie. 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:15.960 I'm a huge fan of watching movies in the morning. 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:18.920 Your mind is open, you're not all tired and jaded yet. 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:21.280 So you know, I feel like this was more of 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:25.040 a nightcall movie, movie you might want to watch at night. 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:30.440 Well yeah, I mean, for sure spoiler alert about the 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:36.200 swirling guts and seen in this movie twenty in the morning. 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:38.440 But you know, we had meet us appreciate it more. 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:41.520 I think it's our guts were still swirling with breakfast, 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:43.560 and then we're like, oh, look at look at that. 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:45.240 That's when I turned to Tests and I went, I'm 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:50.520 in yeah. Um. Test is also not swayed by the 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:53.440 charms of Oscar Isaac like some of us might be. Look, 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:57.320 I appreciate his acting. It's purely it's a sexual preference, 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:00.760 like right now, oh my god, I know you're not 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.600 sexually attracted to young al Pacino. He's just not well. 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:08.600 I didn't say that specifically, there's just something I guess 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:11.680 because I know everyone else feels that way. I'm like, well, 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:14.520 let them have him. But I appreciate his acting. Although 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:18.320 he didn't do much in Annihilation, it was which was great. 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:21.359 It was a female dominated sci fi movie, which is fantastic. 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:24.160 Everybody was really excited before the movie came out because 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:27.119 he was only billed as being the husband and I 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:30.879 am DV and everybody was like, yes, Oscar Isaac is 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:36.640 the husband. Um, yeah, it was weird how much. I mean, 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:38.320 first of all, I'm glad test and I both saw 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.719 it because there's no way you could possibly explain this 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:42.480 movie and the amount of time we have on a 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:46.639 podcast to each other and also to the audience, So 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:49.040 we should probably decide how what level of spoiler we 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:50.960 want to go with it, because I actually, I mean, 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:54.040 my favorite aspect of it is the end, and that's 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:55.960 the part that I could talk about the most. Well, 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:58.680 that's how we'll get there. So Annihilation is a sci 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:03.320 fi uh movie about a team of scientists going to 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:07.040 a area you're not supposed to go to, some sort 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:10.640 of contaminated area, Area X. I feel like the distinction 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:13.560 is sort of weird in the movie. In the book, 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:16.639 it's all called Area X. They also call it the 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:18.840 Shimmer in the movie, but they also refer to Area 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:21.879 X as like maybe a reason that contains the ship shimmer. 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:25.360 It's very strange. It's like a weird southern swamp. Yeah, 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:27.960 it's it's supposed to be in Florida somewhere. It's based 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:30.119 on a book by Jeff Vandermere. There's three. There's a 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:32.359 trilogy of books that's based on the first one. But 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:35.080 it's very much meant to just be a self contained movie. 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:37.360 I think. Yeah, And it's different. It's very different from 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:40.439 the book supposably, Um, but there are some things that 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:44.280 are the same. Test and I both brought notes right, 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:48.280 can't wait. I it made me want to go home 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:52.119 and watch Tarkovsky's Stalker, which I did. Oh yeah. And 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:54.800 then my friend gave me a hard time about watching 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:58.919 Stalker on a laptop. I was like, but I was 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:03.879 really close to the screw going on. You have a 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:07.480 projector at home. Yeah, but I was like, like, I 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:11.000 was watching it by myself, like you know, I was. 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:15.360 It was great. It wasn't super enjoyable for me. Um. 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:17.680 And then I was reading about Soviet sci fi all 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:21.800 night long? Ye, which is the best. Well. Stalker is 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:24.960 the only movie that Alex Garland, the director, has owned 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:27.600 up to being inspired by because he I think like 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:31.840 I think understandably bristles at like the thing of like, 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:34.520 what things were you looking for for your movie, because 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:36.159 I think especially people who are trying to do like 0:20:36.440 --> 0:20:38.680 newish sci fi, you want to feel like you're trying 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:41.440 to Yeah, it's a it's a tribute slash rip off 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:45.560 of Stalker. But that's the one thing he was like, Yeah, Tarkovsky, definitely, 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:50.879 it's a trip off. Um. And yeah, and also Solaris, 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:53.359 which is the other Tarkovsky movie which I saw recently. 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:57.280 I saw like a beautiful new Stalker. There's also like 0:20:57.359 --> 0:20:59.920 a new Criterion print of it that's yeah, sucking all 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:04.040 so um. But Solaris, which is based on a novel 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:08.000 by the Polish writer Lim Standis law. Uh, it's sort 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:10.280 of invented the sci fi concept of like the aliens 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:13.240 being like instead of being little gray men or tall 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:15.840 grays or little green men, they it's like a planet 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:18.960 or like a gas. It's like a consciousness. It's like 0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:21.560 a consciousness and you like can't communicate with it at 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:25.800 all because so for it, Yeah, um, the Solaris is 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:29.440 a planet that watches you the state of mind. So yeah, 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:31.840 Test and I both really like a lot of the 0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:34.919 ideas that are in Annihilation. Um. I just felt like 0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:38.880 the characterization and dialogue was like felt really flat. Yeah, yeah, 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:41.520 I mean I definitely think that it was. It's hard 0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:44.040 because you kind of place all your hopes on when 0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:47.520 you see five women who are scientists or I mean, 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:49.000 I guess one is an e M T. But I 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:51.560 mean they're there are five strong women who are not 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:55.119 like being shepherded by a man, or being sent on 0:21:55.119 --> 0:21:57.399 this mission by a man. In fact, like you know, 0:21:57.560 --> 0:22:01.639 venturous dr Ventrous, who's Jennifer Jason Lee. She's kind of 0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:05.440 portrayed like you would. It's a shame that you would 0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:08.520 normally see men playing these roles, but I felt as 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:12.440 though they could have intellectualized them more. And I was 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:16.240 telling Molly that it made me really nostalgic for the 0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:19.920 original Jurassic Park and Ian Malcolm because I remember reading 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:22.240 the book and seeing the movie the explanation of the 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:25.160 science and his you know, drive to kind of wrap 0:22:25.200 --> 0:22:27.640