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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast sleeps in the soft fur

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Speaker 1: of Andy Reid Stash. Welcome back to another edition of

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Speaker 1: the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansis,

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Speaker 1: and I am joined by room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler,

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Speaker 1: Chris Westling, and Greg Rosatal. What's up boys? Hey? Dan?

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Speaker 1: Hi also joined by the Queen of NFL. Now a

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Speaker 1: lot of people are calling you that now. I don't know, really,

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Speaker 1: that's a thing. I haven't heard it yet, Dan, that's weird.

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Speaker 1: And also, um, you know a great friend of the show,

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Speaker 1: a regular hero herself, Colleen Wolf, the Wolf Woman. What's up?

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Speaker 1: What's Colleen gonna do to get into that little intro?

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I know what you mean,

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Speaker 1: Connie Fox? What does that mean? We like, you know

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Speaker 1: the Sissler, Marc Scesslor Chris Wesley, you know, just right

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Speaker 1: at the end of the credits where they you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a big are. How about this, We'll use this show, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, looking ahead to next show. Whoever out of

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Speaker 1: west Mark and Greg has the worst performance gets replaced

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Speaker 1: by colleague. Well wait, why aren't you eligible to be replaced?

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Speaker 1: She's actually because well that gives me the way you

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Speaker 1: don't think I'm a host, No, I'm saying she especially, Well,

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Speaker 1: that's outrageous. If you think I'm showing up to work

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Speaker 1: on that day, that's good luck to you. The best

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Speaker 1: thing about Mark and why I love Mark, is that

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Speaker 1: that was a real reaction right there. Yeah, even though

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Speaker 1: he brought up the total nonte No, Mark, You'll be

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Speaker 1: in the intro next week. Don't worry. That was all

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Speaker 1: a joke. Uh. This is the Tuesday edition of the

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Speaker 1: Around the NFL podcast. We are back as we start

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Speaker 1: looking ahead toward a Week fourteen with one last glance

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Speaker 1: at Week thirteen, which will be uh that Monday night

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Speaker 1: football classic. I'm just throwing around classic a lot, but

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Speaker 1: this one I don't believe when I say that the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys and Redskins played um at UH in land Over

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Speaker 1: on Monday night game that was one of the worst

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get into talking about that. Do not agree

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Speaker 1: from front to back. Castle light over here though. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you are and this is a this is a compliment, right.

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Speaker 1: You love football to the point that you know you

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Speaker 1: just the NFL. But you're right to a point. Well,

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Speaker 1: it was close the whole time, and it was tense,

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Speaker 1: is really exciting. Yeah, and uh, Connie Fox with your

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Speaker 1: into that. I got some news to talk about. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Greg and the pace he did, but then it landed

426
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Speaker 1: right next to you very and I picked it up

427
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 1: because I still need the paper actually for other things

428
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,880
Speaker 1: in the podcast. So he turns in his gun and badge. Uh,

429
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,159
Speaker 1: but and it played. He's got something else going on,

430
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 1: I think, so another another person for Jeff Fisher to

431
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,679
Speaker 1: blame exactly. We talked about that on Sunday. By the way, hey,

432
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 1: it's that Jeff Fisher's fault. He hasn't been a top

433
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 1: twenty offense and points or yards for six seasons. That

434
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,879
Speaker 1: he hasn't had a top ten offense since two thousand

435
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Speaker 1: and three. That he plays has nothing to do with

436
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher. It's all Signetti, the guy he hired. Racing

437
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: to the podium on Sunday at the benches quarterback. You know,

438
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,719
Speaker 1: you heard Jeff Fisher say, you can't blame anyone, right,

439
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 1: he's out of answers and he and he said something

440
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 1: like twelve touchdowns in twelve weeks or sixteen touch on

441
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 1: twelve weeks. You can't just win. You can't win like that.

442
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: And if it's and that's Jeff been Jeff Fisher football

443
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 1: for a decade plus. So good. Other news quarterback news

444
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 1: Johnny Manziel. Uh. He was grounded, of course, by his

445
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 1: parents or the Cleveland Browns organization for a couple of

446
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 1: weeks after his Austin nightlife experience went public. Uh, that

447
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 1: punishment is now over. He will start for the Cleveland

448
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: Browns in week fourteen. Rap sheet reported Monday, uh that

449
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: he will be the starter against the Niners. Mike Petton

450
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 1: or the team then confirmed it on Tuesday after kind

451
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: of playing coy throughout Monday after the news had gotten out. So, uh,

452
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 1: you know, here we are, guys, Johnny Manziel. He gets

453
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 1: unless he messes up again or gets hurt, four games

454
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,400
Speaker 1: now to show us if he could play a little

455
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: bit a little too late, too late, if you ask me, Colleen.

456
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 1: But you know now he's gonna start. He should be starting.

457
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: There's nothing else to play for in Cleveland. Well, I mean,

458
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 1: from the beginning, they shouldn't have started Austin Davis in

459
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: that second game. I mean, what what's the point at

460
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: this At this point, really you're trying to see what

461
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 1: you have in Johnny Manziel. But it's been so on

462
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 1: and off and up and down. How can you really

463
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: tell anything. I think Mark will tell you it's dysfunction

464
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 1: in that organization, and I think it's it's a clear

465
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 1: sign that Petton has lost one of many power struggles

466
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: in that building, and this is the latest one. And

467
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: you know, I think this was Petton. This is Patton

468
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: wanting to go out, probably going to be gone after

469
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 1: the season on his own terms. And he can't do

470
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 1: that because it's an organization that seems to be run

471
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: on a committee based in a committee way, you know,

472
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: with a bunch of people and too many voices, and

473
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: you hear stuff that even the team president is involved

474
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Speaker 1: in football decisions with no football pass and he's sitting

475
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 1: in and watching game tape with coaches, and it's ridiculous.

476
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: I mean, there are some talent people in the building,

477
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 1: but when you're not on the same page, this is

478
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 1: what you get. This is exactly what happens when you

479
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: have too many cooks in the kitchen, when you have

480
00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:01,640
Speaker 1: people looking in and making decisions that shouldn't be making decisions. Well,

481
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 1: his quote on Monday when they asked him, is the

482
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: building unified? And I don't have it right in front

483
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 1: of me, but he said not a hundred percent. When

484
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 1: when losses like this happened. Uh, you know, people start

485
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 1: having their own interests. I mean to just say that

486
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: and put that out there, and and I respect him

487
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 1: for being honest. He's just telling it like it is.

488
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 1: You don't hear that from an NFL coach too often,

489
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: not at all, and especially when you hear that the

490
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: problem has been going on for a lot longer than

491
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: the past month. And Farmer and Petton both always at

492
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: least vocally talked about a unified front. And that is

493
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: the first big crack in the armor where I think Petton,

494
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 1: his demeanor and eldies press conferences, is a defeated individual.

495
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: I just think he can't. He has no power. Uh.

496
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: And finally, uh, some move, some moves of people getting

497
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: let go by their teams. The Seattle Seahawks have cut

498
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: cornerback Carrie Williams, who signed a three year, eighteen million

499
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Speaker 1: dollar contract that included three and a half billion dollar

500
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: bonus in the offseason, lost his starting job in week

501
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: eleven after getting picked on relentlessly across from Richard Sherman.

502
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: So the Seahawks cut their losses there and the Eagles

503
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: part ways with Miles Austin, the veteran receiver who, obviously,

504
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: despite being a good locker room guy, from what everyone says,

505
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 1: there wasn't much left in the tank at all. I

506
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 1: can't believe he lasted that long. Yeah, I mean every

507
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: time they tried to throw him the ball, he couldn't

508
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: make the catch. Ever, it's like the number one part

509
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: of the job description pretty much. I don't want to

510
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: give this too much credit for having a bad signing,

511
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: and they've had there their equal share of of any

512
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,719
Speaker 1: other teams. But they do a great job of moving

513
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: on from bad signings. They make a mistake and they

514
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: just cut the guy. They don't, they don't try to

515
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 1: keep making it work. They bring into Sean said and

516
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: Jeremy Lane is now playing, and they develop young guys

517
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: and they just say, what we messed up, let's move on.

518
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: They should have known, though all of these problems, the

519
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: same exact thing happened with the Eagles, and that's why

520
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 1: they let him go. I mean, it's not like this

521
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: was anything new Wisconsin's I wonder if I wonder if

522
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: it's like a little bit of hubrist to think, well,

523
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: we can fix what another team couldn't. But the Seahawks

524
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 1: don't really strike me that way for the reason you

525
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: just gave that they're willing to admit their own mistakes.

526
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: Did it with Harvin? Did it with Frank Clark? You

527
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: could argue soon to do it with Jimmy Graham. Yeah. Uh,

528
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: that's what's happening in the NFL. One thing I wanted

529
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: to touch on with you guys, just because it caught

530
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: my eye this morning. One of my favorite annual things

531
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: to read on the internet is the A V Club.

532
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: One of my favorite websites releases its least essential albums

533
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: of the year, uh this time of year every year.

534
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: And uh Creed my favorite much maligned rock band. Well

535
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: I hate them actually, but they recently released a three

536
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: c D forty song release retrospective with three different versions

537
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: of with Arms Wide Open. Uh, There're two thousand one

538
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: hit feels completely unnecessary because we need more Creed in

539
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: our lives, right, So is it who listens to create? Uh?

540
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: There there was this this really or ugly time. And

541
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: I was in college at the time, so I could

542
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: tell you where there wasn't a lot of good like

543
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: rock music at all. You could say that today too,

544
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: but uh there was either you know, there's limp biscuit

545
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: and stained in that type of stuff. And then Creed

546
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: emerged as I guess you know this like uh generic

547
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: rock that some people like. It was watered down pearl

548
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: jam and some people got into it. But then he

549
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: quickly and Scott steppid lead singer, revealed himself as a

550
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: total bozoh and they their music is not aged. I

551
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: thought they were just like a more religious Nickelback, right,

552
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: It's like if Nickelback was a little too cool for you.

553
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: Here here's some guy. So they got me thinking I

554
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: wanted to go everybody that's at all. The Detroit Lions

555
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: fan said, I'm Thanksgiving to let's go around the horn

556
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: real quick before we get into our Dalton scale uh

557
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: discussion and uh listen, check check your ego at the

558
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: door here. Just be real with us. This is a

559
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: safe space. Your most embarrassing purchase of an album. Um,

560
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: I will I'll start just to just show that I'm

561
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: for real. Uh. I had some to choose from. I

562
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: have to be honest. After a breakup, I purpose I

563
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: purchased the two thousand three John Mayer album Heavier Things.

564
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: That was a weird move, especially because you're pretty old

565
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: at that point. Yeah, I was like twenty three. Uh,

566
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: there was no excuse for that. I was going through

567
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: some things in my life. Um, Billy Corgan's post Smashing

568
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: Pumpkins Bands is one that's not that embarrassed butt that album.

569
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: I own the entire live discography from three two thousand

570
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: one That's to Keep Going six records, and the Garden

571
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: State soundtrack. I also I had that embarrassing, so I'll

572
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: go with live, uh, you know, and that will be

573
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,959
Speaker 1: my pick. Uh, let's go around the horn now, Mark Sessler, Well,

574
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: when you asked me this, you know, it's like the

575
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: first thing that came to mind. I was like a

576
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: huge Well number one, I was an embarrassing person in

577
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: high school on a lot of levels. But I whenever

578
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: I liked a girl instead of actually talking to her,

579
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: because I grew up with just a brother and didn't

580
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: really see women as anything but aliens at that age.

581
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: Like I would go to town and make like gigantic

582
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: mix tapes and just drop it unsuspecting on this port

583
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: areas women like like like a girl that you didn't

584
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: even talk to it all of a sudden have this life.

585
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: But there was like there was like a vague interaction

586
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: and then suddenly like a three tape compendium and you

587
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: were creep out and it was weird. Yeah, it's weird.

588
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: It was weird. I mean, you know, in some cases

589
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: it went really well, in other cases it went really terrible.

590
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: In this case, I was massively in love with this

591
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: girl named Sarah, and I went out and bought The

592
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: Pretty Woman's soundtrack because there were like two cuts off

593
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: that album that I felt needed to be on this

594
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: like three tape, two hundred and seventy minute long, uh

595
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: release that I was putting together. What was the song

596
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: that you put on the mix? Well, two of them,

597
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: but the one that is notable was the King of

598
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: Wishful Thinking? Oh I remember that song? Is that? But

599
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: Roland somewhere it's not. It's just a collection of God.

600
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: That's the look on YouTube. Could not be more desperate

601
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: putting that song on there. I will say this went

602
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: to senior prom with her, went to senior prom with her,

603
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: worked out by go West. Wait, how old are you?

604
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: When he gave her the mix? I was in high school?

605
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: Was embarrassing? This was earlier, This was earlier in high school.

606
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: Would have been seen. I Again, I kicked this off

607
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: by saying I was an embarrassing individual on many levels.

608
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: So all right, Wesrop Amazingly enough, the same year and

609
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: the same soundtrack. Really, Yes, my brother had just got

610
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: his license, my older brothers driver's license, and he was

611
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: like sixteen or seventeen. He would drive us to school

612
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: in his like nineteen seventy nine Mustang and pop in

613
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: rocks that it must have been loved. That's so funny

614
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: because it's the other song that I put on this mix,

615
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: and we would jam out to rock Set on the

616
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: way to school every single morning. I'm like, put in

617
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: rock set. That song always made me uncomfortable if I'd

618
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: be like riding in the car with my aunt because

619
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: it's like a song about like cheating on your husband,

620
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, Wow, these adults are messed up people. Yeah,

621
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: well you're right. Yeah, Pretty Woman sort of a messed

622
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: up storyline if you think about it. Yeah, that's true, Colleen,

623
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: go ahead, so um, you told me that jagged Little

624
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: Pill didn't work Atlantis Morrisett because it's not really embarrassing.

625
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: Um So Papa Roach. I definitely had a roach. Papa

626
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: Roach was in that Creed era. They were like almost

627
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: a bridge between them was a song. So I would like,

628
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: I had this terrible old volvo and I would be like,

629
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: if I had a bad day at school, I would

630
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: get in my volvo and then I would blast, this

631
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: is my last resort. And I went out and bought

632
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: this at a store I did. I'm not one to

633
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: point fingers. How about how about the idea that you

634
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: get together and you crowdsource and you come up with

635
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:12,479
Speaker 1: the name Papa Roach. Greg, I've offended that you listed

636
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: gardens State. I went to go look. I mean, it's

637
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: the Shin's Nick Drake, Diamond and Iron and Wines cover

638
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Speaker 1: of such great heights. Well, right now I've seen them.

639
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Speaker 1: I'm conflating the movie and the soundtrack. It's hard not

640
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Speaker 1: to do because the movie, if we were talking to

641
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Speaker 1: this conversation was about movies. I would say that when

642
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Speaker 1: I saw that when I was twenty four, I thought

643
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Speaker 1: it was profound, and then I watched it again six

644
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,239
Speaker 1: or seven years later, and I hated myself. That's the thing.

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Speaker 1: You can't detach the soundtrack from what the movie was.

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Speaker 1: And I couldn't agree with I stop dodging the question.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the well. I had a couple

648
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Speaker 1: of options come undone the like kind of when Duran

649
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: Durant made a comeback ish in the mid nineties. I

650
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Speaker 1: got that. I like that Duran Durant comeback out. It's

651
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Speaker 1: a guilty pleasure. And then I'm gonna go newer. I

652
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Speaker 1: bought Miley Cyrus is Bangers whoa I'm not embarrassed about that?

653
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: Is that the one with wing Ball? It does have that.

654
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: I really got it. What wrecking Ball is a good song?

655
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Speaker 1: I got it. I got it really for we Don't Stop.

656
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Speaker 1: You know, so you went out recently and bought an

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Speaker 1: actual what Well on I Tunes? Okay, I like the

658
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: idea of jogging in Santa Monica with Cyrus just ripping through.

659
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Speaker 1: How could you not like that? Would be more embarrassing?

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Speaker 1: Good talk, Sidney. Do you have anything? Um? I did

661
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Speaker 1: have an album that by eighteens, which is like they

662
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: just did covers of Abbess. Oh yeah, Dancing Queen. I

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00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: remember that. Also, I owned I was a huge American

664
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Speaker 1: idol fan, and so I did have his first album.

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Speaker 1: I hope you didn't have a crush on Cleaning because

666
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Speaker 1: that would be unrequitted. Well yes, um, okay, that's pretty

667
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Speaker 1: bad and good. Alright, good talk guys. Let's uh, let's

668
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: head back to a ball now. And yeah, so let's

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Speaker 1: talk about the Dalton scale and his west side of

670
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: the top of the show. Uh, this is an exercise

671
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: where we attempt to find out who is the the quarterback.

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00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: I think, correct me if I'm wrong, because I don't

673
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: understand the Dalton scale. This is the quarterback, the basically

674
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: the worst quarterback you can have that you could still

675
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: build around and have a tangible success in the NFL.

676
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 1: Is that is that fair? I wouldn't even say that's fair,

677
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: because by definition, if you're in purgatory, you're not building

678
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 1: towards anything. You're stuck. Oh so you're that's the first

679
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: guy on the other side. Now, he's the prime meridian.

680
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 1: He is the equator, and all the quarterbacks above him

681
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: are franchise quarterbacks. If if you're below him, you need

682
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: anything like the mythological river sticks that you have to cross.

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00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: All right, there we go okay, I'm starting to get

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Speaker 1: a little bit. The one thing that we all know

685
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: is that it is not fair and probably not accurate

686
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: to call Andy Dalton that guy anymore. Even with that,

687
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: you know where not to the playoffs yet. It would

688
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: be good to see him do in the playoffs. But

689
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: he has shown enough, he's put enough tape out there

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00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: that we need to move him out of that he

691
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 1: slides up the scale. Right, do you agree with that? West?

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Speaker 1: By the way, I think when a guy's name is

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Speaker 1: in the m v P conversation, he can no longer

694
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 1: be the primarydian Right I like that? So it begs

695
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: the question maybe we could have a little bit of

696
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Speaker 1: a discussion here go around who might be a better

697
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: guy to say? You are purgatory for NFL quarterbacks college?

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00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: Why don't I start with you? Is there anybody that

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Speaker 1: So I was a little unclear on um the Dalton scale?

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Speaker 1: How about this I start? So you're not alone on that.

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00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: By the way, I went with Ryan Tannehilly. They are

702
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: sort of stuck with him, and based on what we've

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Speaker 1: seen from him, I mean, he had the year last

704
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: year that he got better and his numbers went up,

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00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: and it seemed like him and Bill Lazer were a

706
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,439
Speaker 1: good fit. But now we see that that's not the case.

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Speaker 1: So maybe he is the news that was gonna be mine.

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00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: So with you, I'm glad. I'm like like Dalton. He

709
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: goes up and down a little bit. Dalton used to

710
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: so the line, that's what's always confused, and that the

711
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: line can move. Well, that's one of the things that too.

712
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: But yes, I think, but what if I think about

713
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: Tannehill like somebody who can't quite make sense of and

714
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Speaker 1: you wouldn't be ready tell me if this is what

715
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: the Dalton skill is. It's somebody that you're you can't

716
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: throw back into the sea because you don't want to

717
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: potentially get banged down the road. But at the same

718
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Speaker 1: time you have serious doubts that he his upside will

719
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: take you to a higher place. Well, I think one

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00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: of the things with Dalton was that he until this year,

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Speaker 1: it seemed like he never developed from his rookie year.

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00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: And I feel the same way about Tanning. Alright, so

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Speaker 1: let's put Ryan Tannhill as a nominee. West Why don't

724
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: you throw one out there. I'll go with the original

725
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: Steelers Wheel of Quarterbacks stuck in the middle with you,

726
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: Jay Cutler, He's always stuck in the middle. This feels

727
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 1: kind by West a little bit. It gets he gets

728
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: normal managers and coaches fired. We know who he is.

729
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: The Bears begged people to take him off their hands

730
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,959
Speaker 1: last year. Nobody wanted him because he can't get paid

731
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: like a franchise quarterback. He's not good enough for that

732
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: and he's not the answer. He's shown that in two

733
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: different stops with several different coaching staffs. I agree with

734
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: all that he's too flashy for me, for for the

735
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: Dalton scale, although all of that makes sense. He really

736
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: is that sort of because that's what goads, that's what

737
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: pulls everyone in and believes in him, and then he

738
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: just lets you down. So it's kind of like a

739
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: different sort of Dalton scale. Now it's getting and I'm

740
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Speaker 1: not saying a different storty. It's like when you choose

741
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: an actor that's a totally different type of Batman, but

742
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: it still makes sense. Like people have a lot of

743
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: opinions on Cutler, I feel like you need somebody who's

744
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: just sort of like middling, Like, yeah, Greg, how about you,

745
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: I've got the obvious choice. It's Alex Smith. I mean,

746
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: what what what defines middle of the road? Not gonna

747
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: beat you? Like, this is what Andy Reid said about

748
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: Alex Smith when they brought him to kim the City

749
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: quarterback is not going to be the position that is

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00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,919
Speaker 1: the reason we're not good that in which is that's

751
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: Alex Smith. It's like, Okay, he's just gonna be there.

752
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: It's not gonna kill us. But there's very little upside,

753
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: you know. That's that's almost like if you go to

754
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: karaoke and you just you flashed by the page that

755
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: has white Snake on it. Here I go, and you're like, well,

756
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: that's kind of like played out, But I know if

757
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: if I do it, everyone will love it and sing

758
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 1: along to the song. You almost don't want to. Alex

759
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: Smith is so obvious and he's such the middle guy

760
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: that you overlook him in a way. Is that what

761
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: the Salton scale thin white Snake? I think it's just

762
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: being in the middle. I just went to look at

763
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Speaker 1: my quarterback in decks from last week. He happens to

764
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Speaker 1: be number sixteen right now, right in the middle. All right,

765
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 1: So we got Ryan Tannehill, which is Colleen and I

766
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 1: both agree, Jay Cutler nominated by Chris Wesley, Alex Smith

767
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: by Greg Rosenthal. Now I throw it to Mark Sessler.

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00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: I was thinking Alex Smith too. I think it's the

769
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Speaker 1: perfect I think he's the original Dalton scale, even more

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Speaker 1: so than dal to be honest, because what the reason.

771
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 1: I would just blow the whole thing up. I think

772
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: it was a very creative concept and idea and it worked.

773
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: But I would blow it up because I think it

774
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: can't be applied. Alex Smith. We know who he is,

775
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 1: and and yes he statistically has done some unusually good stuff,

776
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: so that's fine, but he's safe. He's just a safe

777
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: but unspectacular quarterback. I don't ever want to tag a

778
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: young quarterback with it ever again, because although Dalton looked

779
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: like a guy that is ceiling the minute he came

780
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: in the league, we were wrong. He changed, and so

781
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: you got to pick someone that's not gonna suddenly a

782
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 1: year later change. So it has to be an older

783
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: quarterback if you're gonna do this at all. But I

784
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: would I would deep six it because I think Dalton

785
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 1: blew it up and he's stuck it in our face.

786
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: You're saying Andy Dalton, by his his rise from relative

787
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: mediocrity to being a top level quarterback renders the entire

788
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: exercise meaningless. In and uh and in honor of Andy Dalton,

789
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 1: I would say it is over. I think if you fear,

790
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: if you fear change, or fear getting something wrong because

791
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 1: of change, you're probably covering the wrong sport because happens

792
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: getting it wrong. I just don't think that it was

793
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: especially It's a creative idea, but even in this own room,

794
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: we were especially confused about what it meant. Now you weren't,

795
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: but I think there was confusion about what it meant.

796
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: And so you've got to go with a quarterback that

797
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: makes it so simple and so clear, and Alex Smith

798
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 1: is the only guy I can come up with it

799
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: fits that that definition. At this point, we should put

800
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: this to a vote. I think Twitter recently installed this

801
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: thing that allows you to have a poll. We should

802
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 1: do a Twitter poll in the around the NFL page

803
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: with Tannehill, Cutler and Alex Smith's the listeners think. I

804
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: like that. I also thought Kirk Cousins could someday be scale,

805
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: but I think it's too early, partly because of what

806
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: Mark said. Let's give him a little time to see

807
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: what he develops into and he's just he We just

808
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: haven't seen enough, but I could see six years from now.

809
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins is still he's on his third team, but

810
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: he's starting. He's kind of like in an Alex Smith

811
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: type of career. Yeah, we'll see. How about Let's just

812
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: I don't I don't like all this. Let's wait a

813
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: few years till it's obvious to everyone and then we'll

814
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: make it. No I I I think Alex Smith is perfect.

815
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: So that's why. How about my boy Ryan Fitzpatrick? No,

816
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: he's Well I was gonna ask Fitzpatrick because can it

817
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: be a journeyman who goes from team to team and

818
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: he's the absolute definition of he's a patch and he's

819
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: safe and he gets you. Or is he he's more

820
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: like the river sticks of backup versus a starter? He

821
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 1: should he's one of the thirty two best quarterbacks, but

822
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: he's he would be if you had a team and

823
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: you were building a team, he would be the perfect

824
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: backup and you wouldn't build. I think you know you're

825
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: not building your team around him. Where's Matt Ryan on

826
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: the list. Well, he's getting closer towards it. It's sad

827
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: because I would still take my line over Andy Dalton

828
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: if I'm building a team, I I think he's well

829
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: above the line. I think he almost had to see

830
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: almost not throw this season out, but give him see

831
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 1: if they can do some things, put some better play

832
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 1: is around him, and see if he's still struggles. But

833
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: because I I can write this off as just that

834
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: I'm having an off year, but let me ask you

835
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: question West and everywhere else, Like, let's say Andy Dalton

836
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 1: next year duplicated to a high degree what he's done

837
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: this year, would you say that about Matt Ryan. I

838
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: would still like Matt Ryan because I'm taking all the

839
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: data available to me, and I know what Matt Ryan

840
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: has put on tape for five years. And I also

841
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: know that Andy Dalton has far superior weapons. Alright, So

842
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: there we go. There's the nominees for the new UH

843
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: Dalton Scale. Congratulations Andy, it is Ryan, Tannehill, Jay Cutler,

844
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: and Alex Smith. We'll we'll put it to vote on

845
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: the old Twitter handle at around the NFL UH and

846
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: you guys can let us know what you think that

847
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: takes us. Finally, two Thursday Night Preview, Colleen, I know

848
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: you need to do some NFL now stuff. Do you

849
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: want to stick around or do you want to we

850
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: get you know, we've got a few minutes left in

851
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 1: the show. Um, I think I have to go. Okay, yeah,

852
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: I would love to say, but I can't. Colleen Wolf.

853
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: NFL now out NFL Network. The Fantasy Live Show does

854
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: great work there and a weekly guest thank you for

855
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: next time. I'll make it into the intro and you know,

856
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: well listen that. Like I said, I'm going to examine

857
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: the tape and make a decision. I'm gonna be fair

858
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: about it, but you will be in the show just

859
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: a matter of what yeah, I mean, gut reaction. Who

860
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: are you thinking? You acts right now? I need to,

861
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: like I said, study the tape tape, don't lie. I

862
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: don't like that answer. All right, all right, Colleen Wolf

863
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: like the Wolf woman calling Connie Fox many nicknames, uh

864
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: real icon. Anyway, we move on now to Thursday Night football.

865
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: Let's start talking week fourteen. Mark, Listen, this thing a're

866
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: rolling forward now, buddy, seasons almost over, not at all?

867
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: What do you mean It's going into like early February

868
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: and then you know you got to go to the

869
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: combine and the owner's meetings it's a it's a ball

870
00:44:58,360 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: of fun. It can't you can't. I don't want it to.

871
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: When I saved myself there, it was pretty good Week fourteen.

872
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: Only three more Thursday night games, although we got a

873
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: couple of Saturday night games that was a big either way.

874
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: I totally forgot about that when making the schedule. So

875
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: watch out what the two Saturday night games? Heavens does

876
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: it help me that, um Saturday at six am, I

877
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: will be pumping out content for around the NFL that's

878
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: not this Saturday. So I know, I'm just like that.

879
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: It feels like I'll be okay with this question for you.

880
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: If you are married to uh a wife who's annoyed

881
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: by football at this stage in the season, is it

882
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: a big selling point? And I've used this only three

883
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: more Monday night games. Listen, it's almost over. These weeknights

884
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: are gonna start to don't even cover Monday night games.

885
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 1: I watched them. I mean West is getting very West,

886
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: getting little aggressive it. But you did say you were

887
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: out last night, right, I mean you count You don't

888
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: have to be locked in. You can certainly you can

889
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: watch it later or whatever kind of half half watch it.

890
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 1: Who are these people. Let's talk to be happy, that's all.

891
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: And the only one that's had this conversation apparently, Okay,

892
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: we've all had the conversation. It doesn't stop in mind.

893
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: She just hates football in general. Season no season. Yeah,

894
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: that's kind of where my wife is. The University of

895
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 1: Phoenix UH Stadium strange name will play host the Thursday

896
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 1: night football the Vikings at Cardinals. And this is uh,

897
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: you know, a big game for the Vikings, a big

898
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: test for the Vikings because they two of the last

899
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: three weeks they had NFC contenders come into their building

900
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: and handed to them, uh, the Seahawks and Packers. The

901
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: Seahawks embarrassed the Vikings, so you would think this is

902
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: a fired up team on a short week. Now they

903
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: have to go to Arizona face the Cardinals, who have

904
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: won uh six straight games. They are tenant two, they

905
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 1: are the team of around the NFL, and they look

906
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: like they're playing as good as anybody in football. So

907
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 1: I ask you West, I'll get you going on this. Uh.

908
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: The Vikings seem to be in a very tough spot.

909
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: But at the same time, this cit team with talent.

910
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: They got Adrian Peterson, uh, Teddy Bridgewater not playing great,

911
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: but he's he's a young quarterback with potential. Uh, they're

912
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: going to give the Cardinals some trouble here on the

913
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: road outside of the Thursday night factor, which you know

914
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: a lot of strange things tend to happen on Thursday

915
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: nights when you have a short week. I don't see

916
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: this as a matchup with two even teams at all.

917
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 1: The Cardinals allow eighty nine rushing yards per game, which

918
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: is one more than Seahawks allow one more yard more.

919
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: It's a It's another brutal matchup for a Vikings offense

920
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: that is all Adrian Peterson, and it looks to me

921
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: like Teddy Bridgewater starting to see ghosts in the pocket

922
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: because of bad pass protection all season long. The protection

923
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: has been terrible. This, in theory, is one area where

924
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have to worry about the Cardinals as much

925
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 1: as other teams because the Cardinals, if they have a weakness,

926
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,720
Speaker 1: it's in their front seven. They don't really have natural

927
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: pass ushers. But last week, I mean they sent some

928
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: blitz is at the Vikings that they had no idea

929
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,760
Speaker 1: how to handle. And I think Arizona can get creative

930
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: upfront because they know the guys in the back end,

931
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: they're gonna have no problem covering Mike Wallace and Stefon

932
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: Diggs one on one. I mean, you throw Patrick Peterson

933
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 1: on one of them, you got honey Badger out there.

934
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: I mean it's a tough matchup. If you look at

935
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: the points allowed this season, these are two very even offenses.

936
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: They have both given up exactly two hundred and thirty

937
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: two points, But the Cardinals have scored a hundred and

938
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: forty four more points this season. So that's the difference.

939
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a massive difference. It's not just that

940
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: we kind of like the Cardinals. It's like, that's a

941
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,479
Speaker 1: massive difference. Yeah. I mean the Vikings also are coming

942
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: into this at the wrong time with what the challenge

943
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: is trying to slow down an offensive outside of that

944
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: Niners game has been scoring at an epic pace. You're

945
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 1: banged up on defense and you don't have the offense

946
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: to keep up with it. And I picked the I

947
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,439
Speaker 1: picked the Vikings to beat the Packers, and I picked

948
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: them to be the Seahawks. I am not making this

949
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: mistake again because this looks like a team that is

950
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: the reverse of the Cardinals. To me, you put them

951
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: in a big matchup. They don't add up. They can

952
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: they can beat these other teams and get the record

953
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: they have. But the Cardinals have showed up to every

954
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,919
Speaker 1: single game all season. They're gonna They're gonna wax this team.

955
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: They It seems what we've seen in the last three

956
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: weeks is that, yes, the Vikings are one step below

957
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: those top teams. And I'll take a look at the

958
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: schedule here, because you know, they're eight and three after

959
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: the win over the Falcons in week twelve, they failed

960
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: eight and four. They can't take care business against the Cardinals.

961
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: They're eight and five, and then they have home Bears,

962
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 1: Home Giants at Packers Um. Are the Vikings in a

963
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: little bit of trouble if they lose on Thursday? I

964
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: think they are. And they're banged up. I don't know

965
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: what the status is of Lin Vaal, Joseph Harrison, Smith

966
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: and Anthony Barr. That's that's the key to the game

967
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: for them being competitive. And look at the other side,

968
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: the Cardinals are healthy now. A couple of weeks ago,

969
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: John Brown and Michael Floyd were battling hamstring injuries. Now

970
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: they get those guys back. J J. Nelson emerges as

971
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: a real deep threat. Cardinals are just loaded and the

972
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: Vikings that's their three best defensive players, three Pro Bowl

973
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 1: caliber players. And if those guys can't play, what chance

974
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 1: do you him? And I think Palmer will really start

975
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: the m v P for Palmer talk in this game

976
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: because he should just watch watching, watch that performance against

977
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: the Rams, and he has seven or eight throws that

978
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: are just terrific throws and he should be right there

979
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: with Brady and Cam. I personally think that it's just

980
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: about even. That it's a three team rate, three guy race,

981
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: and the final month matters. This is the best m

982
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: v P race I think since Peyton and ap Uh

983
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: in two thousand twelve. But the fact that there's three

984
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: guys and there's really no leader. With Brady coming back

985
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: to the pack a little bit with all these injuries,

986
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: it could really go anyway. I've seen a lot of

987
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 1: people on Twitter football analysts say Cam Newton is the

988
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 1: m v P. Deal with it. That's a fact. And

989
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: to me, sit back and enjoy it. It's a good

990
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: three man race. Don't write it off in early December

991
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,240
Speaker 1: like it's over. Vote voters always remember the last month anyway,

992
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: so it's really about which the which of those three

993
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: guys has the best last month, and if the Panthers

994
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 1: go undefeated, he'll probably win. Well, if the vote was today,

995
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: I think Cam would win it, would win it. I mean,

996
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: the Cardinals still have two prime time games. They flexed

997
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: one of their games in yesterday, so there's a lot

998
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 1: of chances for Palmer on the big stage to make

999
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: a statement. I think you guys are right. But yeah,

1000
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: if the Panthers go sixteen or no and Newton plays well,

1001
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: there's no way he doesn't get it. It's just hard

1002
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: think that's just what's gonna happen. I don't know if

1003
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: it would be my personal takement. We'll talk. Their schedule

1004
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: is not hard. Yeah, Um, all right, let's go around.

1005
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: Pick a winner and a score. By the way, the

1006
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: Zeuster bottomed out at three and eleven a few weeks ago.

1007
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: Four straight or a three straight first place finishes in

1008
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,720
Speaker 1: the PIS, it's getting a little tight. West get Noiva's,

1009
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: they get no Little Noiva's likes. Um, I think I'm

1010
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: still closer to first place to you. Uh, yes, you

1011
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: are what I'm saying, But this is really not even

1012
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: between you and I there's a sandwich way drop the

1013
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: line between you and Mark. This is a little confusing

1014
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: about who will finish ahead in the standings. You are right.

1015
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: I think it's about five game disference is just still

1016
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: in good shape, and I'm charging is all I'm saying.

1017
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Mark. I picked the Vikings to lose by

1018
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 1: twenty five points. Look at you. Thirty five to ten,

1019
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: nice good good math there. I like that West. I'll

1020
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: go thirty eight. Another blowouts there too. You know, I

1021
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: still think the Cardinals, you know, they left teams hang around,

1022
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: and the Vikings aren't bad even though they're not playing

1023
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: too well. So I think this game will be a

1024
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: little closer. But I think this is an Arizona victory.

1025
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be twenty seven to seventeen. Yeah,

1026
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be hopeful that Joseph Smith and bar do

1027
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: play because maybe they even you know, we're conservative, knowing

1028
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,479
Speaker 1: they had a short week last week, who who knows,

1029
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: and so that they keep it somewhat interesting. Thirty to sixteen,

1030
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: let's see Adrian Peter. Unless this becomes a blowout, Peterson's

1031
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: getting thirty touches in this game. They're just gonna hand

1032
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 1: it to him to keep him happy. So I think

1033
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: that may get sidetrack though. If you're down by you know,

1034
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: fourteen points at the end of you know, halfway to

1035
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: the first quarter. Absolutely all things that could happen. That

1036
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: is Uh, that is the Tuesday Show. Good work everybody. Uh,

1037
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: Colleen doing great work, and uh, you know, Sydney doing

1038
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: great work, and the Boss everybody. I even did some

1039
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 1: great work. Brandon did his Jimmy has Him laugh earlier

1040
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: in the show. I don't know if anybody ever knows

1041
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about besides Mark, do you guys remember

1042
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: Jimmy Hasn't laughed like skeletor Yeah. It was one of

1043
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: my favorite things that have ever happened. I believe it

1044
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: was like week three of the two thousand fourteen season,

1045
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: after a game winning touchdown throw by Brian Hoyer. I

1046
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: believe they cut to the Brown's owner's booth and there's

1047
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: Jimmy has Them the owner and Joe Banner, who's I

1048
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: guess the president of football operations or something that he

1049
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: was in charge of many things. Yeah, and uh has

1050
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: Him threw his head back and cackled well, and in

1051
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: true Brown's fashion, it wasn't where because he had torn

1052
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,439
Speaker 1: his a c L earlier in his brand and weed

1053
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: and back at quarterback. So what were you laughing about? Anyway?

1054
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: So there we go. That's Tuesday's edition of the Around

1055
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast. We will be back late Thursday, as

1056
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Speaker 1: we always are. We will recap that Thursday night football

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Speaker 1: game Wes and Greg and then we the whole team

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Speaker 1: will then preview all the week four teen games as

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Speaker 1: we keep moving on and on and on until then.

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Speaker 1: This is Dan Hansas signing off for a Quiet Storm,

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Speaker 1: The Mailman, County Fox, the Boss, and Lacid behind the

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Speaker 1: Glass Thursday m