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Speaker 2: Miles.
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Speaker 3: This is Blake Wexler AKA. We're going to get to
Speaker 3: know you a little bit better, but first we're going
Speaker 3: to tell our listeners a couple of things we're going
Speaker 3: to be talking about today. Guys, thank you for having me.
Speaker 3: Hey man, that's fucked up. Yeah's aka that's how people
Speaker 3: refer through Jack.
Speaker 1: Nobody.
Speaker 4: Nobody refers to as constantly. You're talking to me right now, No,
Speaker 4: like you always are, you always are. Yeah, I am
Speaker 4: the stuff of my mouth.
Speaker 2: What were you thinking? Are you just came?
Speaker 5: Were you like like tossing and turning in your bed
Speaker 5: this morning in your head?
Speaker 1: Weird weird time change. Yeah, you know, there's a there's
Speaker 1: an alarm at my house, like somebody opened our garage
Speaker 1: in the middle.
Speaker 2: Of the night, freaking my wife.
Speaker 1: My wife out, So we're, uh, you know, we're going
Speaker 1: on a little bit of sleep. And that's what bubbled
Speaker 1: the surface of my brain.
Speaker 5: And then you're talking about how you're philating the whole
Speaker 5: town of.
Speaker 6: Late in the whole town of Austin Man the of
Speaker 6: your tongue and the back of your throat. Oh but
Speaker 6: did you ever go garaging when you were younger? Was
Speaker 6: that a term that you were aware of? When I'm
Speaker 6: not would go to I guess like parents or I
Speaker 6: guess people now our age grown ups would keep beer
Speaker 6: in their garage and you would break into a garage.
Speaker 1: I do know about this from Sea Isle City.
Speaker 3: And yes, yeah, yeah, that was the.
Speaker 1: Shilly suburb of Sea Isle City.
Speaker 5: Yeah wait, wait, wait, so that it was a good
Speaker 5: thing where it's like, yo, they have a garage fridge
Speaker 5: with beer, let's fucking bust in there and take the
Speaker 5: fucking beer.
Speaker 3: It's it's interesting. I think you're even taking it a
Speaker 3: step further of research. Where there was no surveillance, it
Speaker 3: was assumed there's a garage. Yes, there must be beer
Speaker 3: kept in it, because the garage is generally cooler. I think,
Speaker 3: like before you refrigerate it, people would just keep beer
Speaker 3: in the garage. But I guess they don't have a garage.
Speaker 3: But if I did, I probably wouldn't keep I would
Speaker 3: keep it in my basement, keep it in my gun
Speaker 3: safe and my gun we went gun safing as well. Yeah,
Speaker 3: with their firearms to be white. They have a bad
Speaker 3: time like just whimsically breaking the garage for beers. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's a quick part of a domicile, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: When I was a you know, seventeen year old in
Speaker 1: Kentucky who just wanted nothing more than to drink at
Speaker 1: all times, I can't believe it didn't occur to me.
Speaker 1: Like I'm actually disappointed in myself that we.
Speaker 2: Didn't do that.
Speaker 1: We just like went to the liquor stores and played
Speaker 1: hey buddy, which is so humiliating. Yeah, like, hey man,
Speaker 1: hey many, I'll suck you, dick man, come on call
Speaker 1: to the south by Mouth guy, Get the fuck away.
Speaker 2: You know my nickname bro? All right? Whatever? Wait man?
Speaker 5: Like, Yeah, if you had a time machine and you
Speaker 5: can right one wrong or change decision in your life, Yeah,
Speaker 5: get back in time and tell my teenage self.
Speaker 1: And there's this thing called garaging you're gonna learn about
Speaker 1: in a few years because your cousins in Sew City
Speaker 1: do it. Were actually more likely your aunt and uncle
Speaker 1: like tell us that it's out of control in Sel City.
Speaker 1: The youths are out of control, fully out of control anyway,
Speaker 1: shout out to Sea City man, what a town? What
Speaker 1: is something from your search history that's revealing about.
Speaker 2: Who you are?
Speaker 7: Right now?
Speaker 8: My Google search history is filled with me searching for
Speaker 8: all Mary Kay Nashley books that I have to buy
Speaker 8: used because for whatever reason, they're not selling them new anymore.
Speaker 8: And you know what's crazy, I keep trying to Google
Speaker 8: answers like why has no one else explored why Mary
Speaker 8: Kay nashally don't.
Speaker 9: Have those available? Like you could buy the damn federalist.
Speaker 8: Papers, books that happened before you like, but I can't
Speaker 8: get Mary Kay Nashally books new.
Speaker 7: That's right, that's what I'm searching.
Speaker 1: Were you raised on Mary Kay Naturally?
Speaker 10: Like?
Speaker 1: Are those nostalgic?
Speaker 9: C you understand that if Mary Kay Nashley was on it,
Speaker 9: I bought it?
Speaker 7: Okay, I wow? All in books? Okay, I love you.
Speaker 7: I love them.
Speaker 2: You got the first edition Brother for sale?
Speaker 7: Listen.
Speaker 8: I had when I had a bookcase in my room
Speaker 8: as a kid, and it was completely just filled all
Speaker 8: in books.
Speaker 9: Every time it would be like a book sale at
Speaker 9: my school.
Speaker 7: And you know what I liked. It was before the
Speaker 7: internet was what it was.
Speaker 8: It wasn't like you could just google, oh, here are
Speaker 8: all the Mary Kay Nationally books. It was just like
Speaker 8: it would be random new like, oh, they're on this one.
Speaker 7: It's the Adventures of something Else. I'm getting that. I
Speaker 7: loved Urrigay Nationally. I went up for them. Those were
Speaker 7: my favorite two white girls in the world.
Speaker 5: They were in the grade below me in grade school,
Speaker 5: at the same school, and they were never at school.
Speaker 5: But I look, I'm like one of my point at pride.
Speaker 5: You know, Mary Kate had you know, shattery on me,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So, okay, look at why were they out of school?
Speaker 1: They were too busy typing out all those novels.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean because they were just like you know,
Speaker 5: like in La like a lot of times you go
Speaker 5: to squick their kids who just are in the business.
Speaker 5: They're just they're fucking working all the time. And then
Speaker 5: they also just have set teachers, so like when they
Speaker 5: even even when they come to school, they're like, I
Speaker 5: don't know what the fuck's going on, man, Like I
Speaker 5: just came here to just like see just to let
Speaker 5: y'all know how balling we are, and then we'll maybe
Speaker 5: see you in like another couple of months.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the brand was real, though, you know. The thing
Speaker 1: that I always heard was that they had like become
Speaker 1: billionaires by the time I think we were like in
Speaker 1: our early twenties.
Speaker 7: Were I definitely gave them a billion dollars. I'm telling
Speaker 7: you me alone.
Speaker 1: But like I didn't know the publishing side of their empire.
Speaker 1: I knew that they had movies, Like.
Speaker 8: It's such an underrated part of the empire because it
Speaker 8: was huge every for fuck the movies, Like the movies
Speaker 8: they would go and make the books up. They had
Speaker 8: like a little show when they were young called like
Speaker 8: the Adventures of American Nashley, and they turned that into a
Speaker 8: book bag every time they had and anytime they did
Speaker 8: have a show, they would turn every episode of their
Speaker 8: shows into one of those books.
Speaker 7: It would be the Adventures of America and that. So listen.
Speaker 8: I I grew up in Obahama, so understand if I'm
Speaker 8: telling you giving them all my money in the Bahamas,
Speaker 8: and there were a.
Speaker 3: Community of other little girls giving them all the money
Speaker 3: to buy the globe.
Speaker 8: Around the globe they had, they had it in the bag.
Speaker 8: I had them all every series they had me locked into.
Speaker 8: They we like nineteen and they just decided they didn't
Speaker 8: want to run an empire.
Speaker 1: No more, right is boring? I'm bored with this. What
Speaker 1: was your introduction to them like in the Bahamas? I'm curious,
Speaker 1: liked it? Was it full house or after them?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 8: My mummy so my household, my daddy is Nigerian and
Speaker 8: my mummy is this partner.
Speaker 7: So there was no fun and joy in my household.
Speaker 8: All I was allowed, all I was allowed to do
Speaker 8: was school and read and so the only thing that
Speaker 8: made Bye she'd never buy like video games and let
Speaker 8: me go do anything, but she would spend a bag
Speaker 8: in the bookstore. So I'd go in the bookstore, sit
Speaker 8: on the floor and just pick things. And I liked,
Speaker 8: you know, it was appeal was marketed to you as
Speaker 8: a girl. So I think I got the first one,
Speaker 8: and then I got all them, all those and lemony snickets,
Speaker 8: the series of unfortunate events.
Speaker 2: I had it all. Do you like?
Speaker 5: Do you have like a book you're chasing right now,
Speaker 5: like Ail Mary Kate Nashley booked, You're like, man, I
Speaker 5: got to get my hands on this.
Speaker 8: I have like one hundred Mary Kay and Nashley used
Speaker 8: books sitting in my Amazon card right now.
Speaker 7: It's ridiculous.
Speaker 9: Like I'm like, I've told myself.
Speaker 8: I told my boyfriend I'm buying them for our future
Speaker 8: children as the investment.
Speaker 7: That's what I'm justifying it.
Speaker 9: I would be so upset if my children tell me
Speaker 9: they don't like it.
Speaker 1: Right, and it's gonna rise up like the after the Apocalypse,
Speaker 1: Like it's gonna be the Book of Eli type thing
Speaker 1: that everybody like uses as the gospel.
Speaker 7: Right, I'm waiting for them to make a bounce back.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 8: I want them to sell new books, but Mary Kay Nashley, like,
Speaker 8: I don't even think there's a place to put pressure
Speaker 8: on them.
Speaker 7: They just off the grid somewhere.
Speaker 1: They just quit us. They were like, yeah, we could
Speaker 1: continue to like build an empire and at this point
Speaker 1: be challenging Bezos's fortune, but we're just like it's boring
Speaker 1: to us. We're gonna go.
Speaker 8: And that's the thing, right, because that's obviously an executive choice,
Speaker 8: because it's one thing if they don't make new things,
Speaker 8: but they won't even sell the old things, Like how
Speaker 8: is a book just out?
Speaker 9: Everybody? Y'all have fun a lot of print?
Speaker 7: Why are you doing this.
Speaker 5: Is one of them still with the brother of Jacques Sharrock.
Speaker 1: I have no idea.
Speaker 8: I remember, yeah, okay was not the old guy, but
Speaker 8: I don't remember like what came of that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, Oh no, it's Nicholas Sarkozsi's brother,
Speaker 5: That's who it was. And I was like, what French
Speaker 5: president was it? Yeah, the brother of Sarcozes money?
Speaker 1: I had, Yeah, I feel like those books, like I
Speaker 1: read every Hardy Boys book that came out. I read
Speaker 1: like the Red Wall series of books, and I feel
Speaker 1: like if I went back and revisited them and read
Speaker 1: them now, I'd be like, oh, this is like what
Speaker 1: my entire imagination is built out of it, like fabric
Speaker 1: of these and hardy boys talking about.
Speaker 8: My mommy loved the hardy boys. My mommy is also
Speaker 8: a copaganda establishment democrat.
Speaker 7: Now people.
Speaker 1: They were, I feel like their story was that their
Speaker 1: dad was a cop, and then they were like, but
Speaker 1: that's not enough cop for one family, and so they
Speaker 1: kind of like moonlight as they were high school students
Speaker 1: by day and then crime fighters by night.
Speaker 7: Yeah, riddled in copaganda every boy's dream.
Speaker 9: I love that.
Speaker 8: I find out childhood me didn't like coppaganda before she
Speaker 8: knew it was copaganda because my mummy.
Speaker 7: Loved those books.
Speaker 8: She bought me that and Nancy drew to collections and
Speaker 8: I wasn't fucking with it. Something about me new the
Speaker 8: ops was around, right.
Speaker 1: But Mary Kate Nashley solved mysteries, didn't.
Speaker 5: They, you know, not like you cut yours against the cars.
Speaker 8: And they started moving with that. Times they would make
Speaker 8: little like new new collections would come out as they ate.
Speaker 8: So they had they they had the Mary Kate Nashley
Speaker 8: Adventures American Nashley. Then they had the Starring in series,
Speaker 8: then they had the So Little Time, and then they
Speaker 8: had the My Sweet Sixteens.
Speaker 7: You see, I know too much? Yeah, I felt. I felt.
Speaker 5: If you have any extra copies laying around, hit up
Speaker 5: a line me, you know, slide it for a way
Speaker 5: they will go. They will be appreciated.
Speaker 7: I would love that.
Speaker 10: Jason, what's something you think is underrated third party presidential
Speaker 10: candidates this year? Not that they're going to win that
Speaker 10: Robert Kennedy Junior. Not that he's going to He's not
Speaker 10: going to be president.
Speaker 1: But you think they should win, you're saying.
Speaker 10: But for example, I hit Twitter yesterday that one of
Speaker 10: his short lists for VP candidates is quarterback Aaron Rodgers, Wow,
Speaker 10: of the New York Jets.
Speaker 2: That is not a joke.
Speaker 10: That was a story that came about that he is
Speaker 10: one of the people he's considering adding as a running mate.
Speaker 10: And right now he's pulling between like nine and twelve
Speaker 10: percent at Robert Kennedy Jr. That is not Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 10: That's super high for a third party candidate in the
Speaker 10: United States. Now, traditionally, by election day, most of that
Speaker 10: support melts away because people don't want to throw away
Speaker 10: their vote because our system is specifically set up so
Speaker 10: that only two people can run and anyone else there
Speaker 10: just wasting their time. But if he gets only let's say,
Speaker 10: four percent, that is more than enough to throw the
Speaker 10: election one way or the other. Because if you say,
Speaker 10: of whatever, however many million votes, that is, if maybe
Speaker 10: twenty percent of those people would not otherwise have voted,
Speaker 10: of that remaining eighty percent, if they break, say forty
Speaker 10: seven to fifty three toward Trump, as in that's who
Speaker 10: they would have voted for otherwise, that flips the election.
Speaker 10: Because again, all of our presidential elections come down to
Speaker 10: like twenty thousand votes in three swing states, right, you
Speaker 10: don't have to flip that many votes. So there's not
Speaker 10: a ton of coverage of Robert Kennedy Junior, though he's
Speaker 10: very popular on social media because it is mostly just
Speaker 10: a side show and he's big into the anti vax
Speaker 10: stuff and conspiracy stuff. But I think people are badly
Speaker 10: underrating how much this election is going to come down to,
Speaker 10: how much those third parties peel away because these are
Speaker 10: two historically unpopular candidates, were pool of disgusted voters is
Speaker 10: probably literally all time high.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I guess it's just we don't know which
Speaker 1: way it will go. So it's just this kind of
Speaker 1: free radical kind of variable that's out there that we're like, man,
Speaker 1: that's gonna fuck shit up, and we don't know exactly
Speaker 1: how at all.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean he's like,
Speaker 5: he's like, I'm not going to be a spoiler or whatever.
Speaker 5: I mean like that, but maybe if you're intent is
Speaker 5: that or not? The fact remains, like to Jason's point,
Speaker 5: there are a lot of people who are like, man,
Speaker 5: fucking neither of these two guys, And yeah, how will
Speaker 5: that break down? Because already you're seeing people already begin
Speaker 5: to like protest vote, whether that's to vote uncommitted like
Speaker 5: in a primary, and what that appeal looks like again
Speaker 5: in November.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this would not be unprecedented, Like a lot
Speaker 1: of people think that. Bill Clinton, the reason that he
Speaker 1: ever became president of the first place was because Ross
Speaker 1: Perrot was a third party candidate who took a bunch
Speaker 1: of the report can vote away from George Bush one.
Speaker 10: So Clinton won with forty three percent of the vote. Yeah,
Speaker 10: like that changed the course of American history. He won
Speaker 10: with forty three percent. But of the three, you know,
Speaker 10: obviously the three candidates, that was the most because Ross
Speaker 10: Perot peeled off. It was a bunch, but it was
Speaker 10: like fifteen percent or something. And it is it is
Speaker 10: extremely difficult to pull where that that support is coming from,
Speaker 10: because if you do a poll, that's just it's just
Speaker 10: it's just between the two candidates. You don't let people pick,
Speaker 10: you know, a third party. You get a decent chunk
Speaker 10: of I think it's like twelve percent saying either neither
Speaker 10: or undecided. It's a very high number, sure, but it's
Speaker 10: extremely difficult to discern of those people who would come
Speaker 10: out for a third party. Again, how many of them
Speaker 10: if if like if RFK dropped out, how many of
Speaker 10: them just wouldn't vote versus okay, well I'll go with
Speaker 10: Trump or okay, I'll go with Biden. It is extremely
Speaker 10: difficult to pull. It's difficult to know this, and I
Speaker 10: suspect that on a election night in November, we are
Speaker 10: not even then, we are honestly not going to know
Speaker 10: who's going to win. And this will be a big
Speaker 10: reason why because of the high number of voters who
Speaker 10: just hate vote Canadates and trying to figure out how
Speaker 10: they're going to behave Will they stay home or vote
Speaker 10: for somebody else, or hold their nose and vote for
Speaker 10: whatever Canada if they think is leakes bad.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it'll be yeah.
Speaker 5: Because the other thing too is like you see, with
Speaker 5: a lot of people who even they pull about RFK,
Speaker 5: not many people know all of his positions. But then again,
Speaker 5: people even like that, we're not even sure how much
Speaker 5: that's gonna affect things once they learn of what his
Speaker 5: positions are, because like in some polls it's like sixteen
Speaker 5: percent of Republicans will vote RFK, eighteen percent of Democrats
Speaker 5: would do it. Others it's kind of like inverted. So yeah,
Speaker 5: it's a truly we just don't know.
Speaker 1: So RFK junior junior, Oh shit, that changes. It was
Speaker 1: way off.
Speaker 5: I thought RFK came back because that would be fucking
Speaker 5: that would that guy had some riz as the kids
Speaker 5: call it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny. And even into the future, if this
Speaker 1: ends up swinging things to a pretty drastic degree, it
Speaker 1: will probably be written out of it. The way that
Speaker 1: the ross pro thing, you know, it's the way that
Speaker 1: we like to think about history is with a single
Speaker 1: protagonist and it's like, well, they won because they were
Speaker 1: the talented politician and you just kind of write out
Speaker 1: the third place person who you know, So even even
Speaker 1: if he swings it and as the spoiler, I feel
Speaker 1: like that that won't be the story that we all get.
Speaker 1: Aaron Ross, It's just is the truth is. You're about
Speaker 1: to say it's just my favorite politician quarterback. No, it's
Speaker 1: just so funny to me. Like I was reminded recently
Speaker 1: how hard he was lobbying to take over for Alex
Speaker 1: Trebek after Alex Trebek like announced that he'd be stepping
Speaker 1: down from Jeff and it just like hit me a
Speaker 1: second time, how weird that is? Like what like what
Speaker 1: did he think? How does he think we view him?
Speaker 1: And again this is this is interesting. Like he's not
Speaker 1: gonna be the one who says no to being the
Speaker 1: vice presidential candidate, right He's he's like, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I should, I should probably be running for president, but
Speaker 1: I guess I'll I'll be your v yeah yeah.
Speaker 10: Like for the listeners who are not sports fans, Aaron
Speaker 10: Rodgers is currently the starting quarterback for the New York Jets.
Speaker 10: He's not retired athlete under contract the Jets are very
Speaker 10: much depending on him to be their starter on opening
Speaker 10: day when the football season comes around in September. So
Speaker 10: the question of could he serve that role while also
Speaker 10: being on the presidential ticket knowing that if if, if
Speaker 10: you know, his team were to win as in his
Speaker 10: you know, if RFK were to somehow win the election,
Speaker 10: that Aaron Rodgers would miss the player because he would
Speaker 10: have to assume the he would be out that that
Speaker 10: week when the Jets are in the you know, the
Speaker 10: AFC Championship game or whatever, like their started quarterback would
Speaker 10: be out for the inauguration.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and and then his O line is all secret service.
Speaker 5: It could be all very interesting, very interesting.
Speaker 1: They he would have to be forced to recuse himself
Speaker 1: from one of the roles, Like I feel like he'd
Speaker 1: be like, no, dude, I could I could do both.
Speaker 2: Be so funny. He just fucked.
Speaker 5: He's like he's like, oh yeah, dude, I'm not gonna
Speaker 5: be VP. Dude, I gotta play football man.
Speaker 1: People who are really successful in one place just gain
Speaker 1: this outsized confidence that they're good at this, like everything,
Speaker 1: everything because they're surrounded by people, especially in this country,
Speaker 1: who will tell them repeatedly that they're good at everything,
Speaker 1: and this might he might be on the verge of
Speaker 1: being like the greatest textbook case of that ever. Like
Speaker 1: guy throws a beautiful bamb But don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: guy throws one of the beautiful balls I've ever seen
Speaker 1: that last time. I don't think that was one of
Speaker 1: the things that I mentioned a lot in the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty election. Who threw a more beautiful ball?
Speaker 2: Who could throw a tighter spiral?
Speaker 1: Tighter spiral?
Speaker 5: God, Although I feel like we're fucking that. I feel
Speaker 5: like we're headed there, like the White House is going
Speaker 5: to be Like just so you guys know, should like
Speaker 5: shout out at Joe Biden on TikTok for fucking launching
Speaker 5: this pig skin through a fucking tire the tightest spiral.
Speaker 2: Folks, he's doing it. You don't trust as America.
Speaker 1: I mean they have like talked about doing like push
Speaker 1: up contests or like fighting each other, so we're not
Speaker 1: that far off. What is something you think is overrated?
Speaker 7: Period? Tracker apps M Now, I just want people to
Speaker 7: stop using him because you.
Speaker 1: Know it's weird, because I have my reason.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well you know it's weird. It's weird to put
Speaker 7: your blood day in a machine, and two like, is
Speaker 7: the government using it to track who is fertile enough
Speaker 7: for us to go full handmaiden stale? You know, overrated?
Speaker 7: We should subscribe.
Speaker 5: No, I remember that was like an actual people were
Speaker 5: many people were talking about that in terms of privacy.
Speaker 5: It's like, as we shift towards a weirder version of
Speaker 5: the Handmaid's Tale, that it's like, that's also data that
Speaker 5: nobody should have access to except you, and damn sure,
Speaker 5: And I'm like and maybe Apple and a few other
Speaker 5: maybe Google, So you know, we'll just stop there.
Speaker 7: The more advanced my phone gets, the more I know
Speaker 7: it's time for me to take my uterus out. So like, no,
Speaker 7: you guys are gonna have to go.
Speaker 5: Don't need this, You do not need this information.
Speaker 7: Don't need this anymore. Just throw you just I'm just
Speaker 7: gonna throw my us away.
Speaker 1: You're going to like a Google News updates. That's like
Speaker 1: why scientist think it's a bad idea to throw.
Speaker 2: I never googled that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, it's true though, like the
Speaker 5: things that were, like the information that we give our phones,
Speaker 5: it's like becoming. It's like it's truly becoming like a
Speaker 5: like a miniature medical clinic. It's like because you can
Speaker 5: be like I get your blood sugar in there, your
Speaker 5: blood pressure, and I get that. It's convenient, especially if
Speaker 5: those are things that you have to track. But it
Speaker 5: does feel like there was a point where I'm like,
Speaker 5: the phones are doing just enough for what they need
Speaker 5: to do, you know, without.
Speaker 7: It getting.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because because now your apples like why are you
Speaker 5: so stressed out ful?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, yo, what.
Speaker 1: You stand up?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Once you stand up lazy as.
Speaker 7: Your AI is trying to pretend to be dumber than you,
Speaker 7: you know.
Speaker 5: Scar, Yeah exactly, They're like, oh, why you had some
Speaker 5: party right now?
Speaker 11: It sounds real loud man. Yeah, yeah, volumes up too
Speaker 11: high just in general around. Yeah, you need to go
Speaker 11: somewhere quiet and stand, not sit. Wake you up in
Speaker 11: the middle of the night.
Speaker 2: Get up.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we found you a nice suburban home in Kansas City.
Speaker 1: Gwyneth, have you have you tried her products?
Speaker 2: They're really great?
Speaker 5: Really what I never asked, Well, you just seem like
Speaker 5: you'd use it based on all these biometric readings you've
Speaker 5: given us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a wild how far we've come, not in
Speaker 1: a good way. But as mentioned recently, I just watched
Speaker 1: the movie BlackBerry that's about the rise and fall the
Speaker 1: email phone thing, and uh like one of the big
Speaker 1: scenes is them realizing they're about to be destroyed by
Speaker 1: the iPhone, and they show the the press conference where
Speaker 1: Steve Job announced iPhone and he's just like, it's a phone,
Speaker 1: it's an iPod and it's in the same device, and
Speaker 1: like that's it, Like right, you know, it's just like
Speaker 1: such a simple thing. And from there we've gone to
Speaker 1: like it knows you are insides.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it's given you an alert.
Speaker 1: It knows who you have a crush on because it
Speaker 1: can read your body meter.
Speaker 5: Right, it's like maybe you should think about who you're
Speaker 5: voting for for president. Also, it's time to move your
Speaker 5: bowels and you're.
Speaker 2: Like, hell, how right?
Speaker 1: How we just seems like you might be lying. Your
Speaker 1: blood pressure just spike.
Speaker 5: Yeah, don't need that, don't need that, don't need like
Speaker 5: cop pseudoscience built into a phone, right.
Speaker 1: Right, all right, let's take a let's take a quick break.
Speaker 1: We'll come back and talk about the future. AI We'll
Speaker 1: be right back, and we're back. We're and I mean,
Speaker 1: we we've talked about copaganda. It's kind of it's like
Speaker 1: describing water to a fish a little bit. In the
Speaker 1: United States, especially if you grew up in like the
Speaker 1: eighties and nineties, just so many TV shows, so many
Speaker 1: movies are fucking copaghanda like the cop like that is
Speaker 1: like a default that oh yeah, well, the protagonist of
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a cop. But Miles, he found
Speaker 1: a study from twenty twenty.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of analysis because you know, I think
Speaker 5: in twenty twenties when people started to being like, what
Speaker 5: the what the fuck are our shows saying about the police?
Speaker 5: And at that time, you know, the study show that
Speaker 5: like almost nearly twenty percent of scripted TV was about cops,
Speaker 5: and that didn't even include shit like live PD or
Speaker 5: cops and not like the reality end of the spectrum.
Speaker 5: And then another subsequent study took like study nine of
Speaker 5: these scripted police shows. They found wow, this and this
Speaker 5: will blow you away. Those writers' rooms zero black people
Speaker 5: show runners, zero black show runners, and the kinds of
Speaker 5: people that were in those writers' room were like posting
Speaker 5: shit on Twitter about lighting up protesters. And then even
Speaker 5: Dick Wolf or I think it was Dick Wolf had
Speaker 5: to be like, hey man, I'm sorry, bro, you're gonna
Speaker 5: you're gonna have to fucking bounce on this show because
Speaker 5: you kind of too out there with your opinion about
Speaker 5: how you see people in the streets. But hey man,
Speaker 5: thank you so much for your work completely obscuring what
Speaker 5: police do in our society. So yeah, I mean, like you,
Speaker 5: just the menu of shows is staggering, like the number
Speaker 5: of ways you can sort of interact or intersect with
Speaker 5: some kind of narrative where it's like and the police,
Speaker 5: you know, they're just complicated folks doing their best, you know,
Speaker 5: so let's not go too hard on them. Let's not
Speaker 5: go too hard.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and it don't even be just the police show.
Speaker 8: The police shows, to me, the ones that are more
Speaker 8: blatantly obvious like this is a police show are actually
Speaker 8: easier to deal with because at least I don't have
Speaker 8: to try to convince you why that's coropaganda. You could
Speaker 8: see that, but it's baked into all the other things.
Speaker 8: Like I was watching the Chippendale, the Chippendale Rescue Rangers movie,
Speaker 8: which if you first of all, I'd never even really
Speaker 8: dawned on me. The Chipendales themselves, right, like they're little
Speaker 8: police of their woodland, of their woodland world. But in
Speaker 8: the Chipendale live action movie, the whole thing is that
Speaker 8: they're working with their taking on the mission for the
Speaker 8: police because the police are being held up by all
Speaker 8: these Fourth Amendment protections. They're like, oh, the police can't
Speaker 8: do the jobs that the police go to the chipmunks
Speaker 8: that have the chipmunks do it because all of these
Speaker 8: constitential protections and rights he's supposed to have in the way.
Speaker 8: That's the whole I'm like sitting there watching it, like,
Speaker 8: ain't that the pitch look at this?
Speaker 1: Or I was watching a new one, the one, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the new one.
Speaker 9: The live action, Go watch it.
Speaker 7: It's crazy.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's what happens in the live action or even
Speaker 8: if you look at me and my boyfriend talk about
Speaker 8: this a lot because he's a he loves Spider Man
Speaker 8: and the Spider Verse. And I went on and watched
Speaker 8: the second one and I was I went with my
Speaker 8: friend alex Elo all overruled on TikTok who's also a
Speaker 8: PD and he he we were just.
Speaker 7: Both like, what is this?
Speaker 8: So Spider Man is like they have it and specifically
Speaker 8: Spider Man would otherwise stringing all Over the place, but
Speaker 8: suddenly he needs to take the subway just so he
Speaker 8: could stop and you could see the subway station stops
Speaker 8: for which areas in Brooklyn, which black dabuds they would
Speaker 8: choose in, and just having him fight crime there and
Speaker 8: then leave.
Speaker 9: Go back on me. I'm like, look at this ship,
Speaker 9: look at it.
Speaker 2: Look at it? Is that?
Speaker 1: That's the second one, the Tom Hollands. Yeah, the second
Speaker 1: Holland one.
Speaker 8: No, no, the Spider Verse. No Black Spider Man.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8: Relentless NYPD promo. The amount of NYPD cars in that
Speaker 8: in that Spider Verse is crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was watching Zootopia with my kids recently, Like that
Speaker 1: is wild copaganda. Just yeah, Like the protagonist just all
Speaker 1: she wants to do for her whole life is be
Speaker 1: a cop, even though people don't think she can be
Speaker 1: because she's too small, and then she Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it's just like every eighties crime movie, like partners with
Speaker 1: like a wily criminal and then they like kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, figures it out. But like Zootopia, I would
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have even really thought about it that much
Speaker 1: until you watch it. Paw Patrol we've talked about on
Speaker 1: the show. Absolutely cop again the worst.
Speaker 8: Those those to me, those kinds of shows and stuff
Speaker 8: are the worst because especially when people like the like
Speaker 8: people will think it's not copaganda if they like a
Speaker 8: character or something, or if they if they like it right.
Speaker 8: That's the thing with Spider Man. I'm like, that's what
Speaker 8: makes it bad. Like all the other things bad copaganda,
Speaker 8: is that it's effective that all the other things you
Speaker 8: like about it. This animation is amazing that they gave
Speaker 8: you a black kid. You know, it's not lost upon
Speaker 8: me that they gave you a black Spider Man. And
Speaker 8: they said his dog, his daddy's gonna be NYBD, his
Speaker 8: best friend's daddy gonna be NYBD. We gonna have invite,
Speaker 8: Like that's what it is. And so yeah, those men
Speaker 8: are more harmful than even the cop shows. It's when
Speaker 8: you think you're not watching copaganda, because at least you
Speaker 8: could go into a cop show, which you're like, Antenna's up.
Speaker 8: But if you think you're gonna go watch your cartoon,
Speaker 8: you're gonna go watch Lucifer and all these things, and
Speaker 8: they find a way to be cops, shoots, even charmed.
Speaker 8: Why are the witches? Why are fucking witches and wizards
Speaker 8: working with the police. Why do they need the police assistance?
Speaker 8: They are working with the police. They had they had
Speaker 8: what's her name, pru was in a relationship with a cop.
Speaker 5: Wow, you know, just for her safety, I guess, or
Speaker 5: not safety.
Speaker 2: It's very hard to tell you.
Speaker 5: The one thing too, about Miles Morales, that character his
Speaker 5: dad's name is Jefferson Davis. You're like the President of
Speaker 5: the Confederacy. It's just a coincidence, man, his dad Davis.
Speaker 5: Like this is also throw that in there for our history, buffs.
Speaker 5: But like I think also too, like I think about
Speaker 5: like New York Undercover. I think that's when a Dick
Speaker 5: Wolfe's most underrated contributions to copaganda, like the and for
Speaker 5: the entire genre, because he took two detectives of color
Speaker 5: and put it's like, hey, for the hip hop generation,
Speaker 5: look at this, we got we got the we got
Speaker 5: it like a Latino detective, a black detective. And we
Speaker 5: will even cast rappers in the show, you know. And
Speaker 5: I remember that disarmed. That was so disarming for me
Speaker 5: because I was like, oh shit, like this rappers and
Speaker 5: they're okay, cool, this is cool. Oh what are they
Speaker 5: trying to do?
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 5: You know? Because like now, kids that were like raised
Speaker 5: on here in NWA and fuck the police or public
Speaker 5: enemy are like, well, you know, Detective Williams and Detective
Speaker 5: Torre is like they are right.
Speaker 8: Though, Yeah, that's how it works in real life, right,
Speaker 8: Like that media media is replicating a strategy that they
Speaker 8: use in our politics in real life. That's why Eric
Speaker 8: Adams is a cop, right. The mayor in New York
Speaker 8: City is a cop, the biggest cop, the lover of NYPD.
Speaker 8: But that's what makes him so dangerous is because they're
Speaker 8: able to advertise. And he calls himself Memory, calls himself
Speaker 8: the hip hop mayor. He brings a bunch of rappers around,
Speaker 8: even though he actively criminalizes hip hop music like Declaire
Speaker 8: the war, Declaire war on drill music and rap music
Speaker 8: like days after he took office.
Speaker 9: But people aren't That's not what they're hearing.
Speaker 8: What they're getting presented to them is a black guy
Speaker 8: putting on airings telling them you know yeah, and that's
Speaker 8: why it's.
Speaker 5: Bad, right, And he's like, Hey, I'm at the after parties,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. You see me in the
Speaker 5: background celebrating to launch the new Chase credit card.
Speaker 7: You're like one percent.
Speaker 8: Because it allows people, it affords people of protection, right,
Speaker 8: because then people get to say, oh, it can't be racist,
Speaker 8: or it can't be a problematic or whatever has to
Speaker 8: you because we have this diverse, this marginalized persons as
Speaker 8: the avatar for it, when in reality, that's the whole
Speaker 8: thing with systemic systemic institution. Once you put you diversify
Speaker 8: a systemically racist institution, what happens is those diverse members
Speaker 8: have to go even harder about punishing their when people
Speaker 8: to prove themselves to that system.
Speaker 7: And then ah, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1: That that point about hit like Dick Wolf taking like
Speaker 1: putting rappers in his show Iced Tea, who was like
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, was at the center of
Speaker 1: a controversy about like having a song about killing cops
Speaker 1: and then the thing he's mainly known for now is
Speaker 1: playing a cop on TV.
Speaker 9: And as politics have moved that way too, right.
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, it's just capitalism is so insidious like that.
Speaker 1: You know, we talked about capitalism being the singularity that
Speaker 1: everybody was afraid of, where it's like it gets smarter
Speaker 1: and more advanced than any single human mind can conceive of.
Speaker 1: Like that's just if you if you had a million
Speaker 1: years to map out. Okay, So how are we going
Speaker 1: to deal with this swelling from like actual people who
Speaker 1: are struggling, who don't have enough to eat, and who
Speaker 1: are living victimized by police, and they're creating this music
Speaker 1: that really connects with people. Like the idea of like
Speaker 1: taking them and putting them in the most powerful copaganda
Speaker 1: like is so insidious, But it's not. It's not a
Speaker 1: thing that like any one mastermind had to come up with.
Speaker 1: It's just like the forces of capitalism and the media
Speaker 1: just like kind of put that shit together.
Speaker 7: You know exactly.
Speaker 8: And it's funny should bring up Iced Tea because it
Speaker 8: was Iced Tea that actually declared Eric Adams the hip
Speaker 8: hop mayor of New York City.
Speaker 7: I mean, it's my first episode on my show.
Speaker 5: I think a lot of people like because we've talked
Speaker 5: about on the show, we've had you, while, we've had
Speaker 5: we've you know, had Alec Rrick Sanas on and talking
Speaker 5: about these issues, I think a lot of people are
Speaker 5: pretty well like they they're able to recognize like the
Speaker 5: cop of the copaganda element pretty well. But another thing
Speaker 5: that I hear you talk about in many others is
Speaker 5: it's not just the cop part, it's.
Speaker 2: Also the praganda as well.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Like coropaganda isn't just about when people hear it,
Speaker 8: they think of it as just police, but it's what
Speaker 8: it is. Coropaganda refers to anyway like the media tries
Speaker 8: to feed you or indocrinate you into supporting policing or
Speaker 8: or prisons in policing.
Speaker 7: That's what it is.
Speaker 8: Anything that essentially essentially reiterates a cops narrative, what a
Speaker 8: cop would want you to think about of a situation.
Speaker 8: So it's like they want People will say, they're like,
Speaker 8: you'll tell them lawn artists copaganda, and they'll act like
Speaker 8: it's not because it shows Stabler doing legal things. And
Speaker 8: it's like, that's the fucking point. You love Stabler, It
Speaker 8: shouldn't you you it gives it feeds you a show
Speaker 8: where you love him.
Speaker 9: You watch him, you you.
Speaker 8: Recognize why this character does this, and you see it
Speaker 8: as necessary or you come to to see it as normal.
Speaker 8: There's a reason why if you watch if you watch
Speaker 8: shows all the time, you're you're and law and order
Speaker 8: is is the influences, uh cannot be understated. But so
Speaker 8: if you take a law and order if you watch
Speaker 8: for for years, it become a normal part of policing
Speaker 8: that the.
Speaker 7: Police you love, who you believe are justin.
Speaker 8: Are trying, they want to do the right thing, and
Speaker 8: their intentions are so good, and you watch them regularly
Speaker 8: be aggressive or beat up people. As a reason why
Speaker 8: police brutality is the narrative of police brutality is only
Speaker 8: ever when someone dies, but never just the regular aggression
Speaker 8: and abuse that we see as a regular part of policing,
Speaker 8: no one thinks anything about you. You see police roughing
Speaker 8: people up, and you don't think of that as brutality
Speaker 8: or illicit.
Speaker 9: You think of that as that's policing, and that's normal
Speaker 9: to you.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, can you talk to just a little bit too,
Speaker 5: because I think the one part that I wasn't always
Speaker 5: wrapping my head around was how like the prosecution element
Speaker 5: of it works because while the police are the people
Speaker 5: on the street, this harmful system, it continues through the
Speaker 5: actual like judicial system and things like that. And I
Speaker 5: think that's another part that like when you watch a
Speaker 5: law and order you're like, oh, okay, so like they
Speaker 5: get mad when like they take a plea deal. They're like, oh,
Speaker 5: he got away because like he pled out. It's like, oh,
Speaker 5: it's a loophole that these people are like, you know,
Speaker 5: acting being able to abuse or whatever.
Speaker 1: But came ohout.
Speaker 8: Prosecutors love plea deals more than anybody else. Like they're
Speaker 8: the ones, like they they want plea deal. They're the
Speaker 8: ones they weaponize plea deals and cash bail in order
Speaker 8: to get convictions that they otherwise wouldn't get.
Speaker 7: They're the ones that do that.
Speaker 8: So whatever, what often happens in the criminal system is
Speaker 8: police someone someone will be arrested, take for example, like
Speaker 8: a homeless person or someone with mental health issues who
Speaker 8: has a long rap sheet, because that's what the media
Speaker 8: likes to sensationalize. What happens how they end up with
Speaker 8: that long rap sheet is say, they'll arrest somebody for something,
Speaker 8: something petty that shouldn't even be criminal or whatever. They'll
Speaker 8: arrest a homeless person because they can. And then what
Speaker 8: will happen Even though this case would if this, if
Speaker 8: this were a case against me or you, the case
Speaker 8: would end up being thrown out or resolve some other way,
Speaker 8: would not end in a criminal conviction under any circumstances.
Speaker 8: But what they'll say to the homeless person or the
Speaker 8: person with mental health issues or someone who they know
Speaker 8: don't have any resources. They'll say, plead to the charge.
Speaker 8: You can plead to the charge and be released now,
Speaker 8: or you'll set cash bail on you and you have
Speaker 8: to go to Rikers while this case is open. You know,
Speaker 8: so someone wanting to go to Rikers for e period
Speaker 8: of time, they will plead to the charge, so they'll
Speaker 8: take the and then that keeps happening, and now they
Speaker 8: have this long criminal sheet that could be weapon against them.
Speaker 8: But what happens what coppaganda when it comes to prosecutors is,
Speaker 8: first of all, a thing America loves to do in
Speaker 8: general is America likes to discard parts so it can.
Speaker 7: Preserve the whole.
Speaker 8: It will curtis America will allow you to criticize police,
Speaker 8: or it will feed you a narrative about private prison
Speaker 8: so that you don't criticize prisons in general overall, or
Speaker 8: you don't criticize the criminal system overall. So police are
Speaker 8: who the narrative gets rested on. You know, they never
Speaker 8: let it get past police, so people go, oh, police
Speaker 8: are bad. Police do this, Police do these things, but
Speaker 8: they never recognize that it's the prosecutors who have to
Speaker 8: carry that out right. So, and also how copaganda I
Speaker 8: think really is really really probably one of the most
Speaker 8: harmful things it does is it encourages people to talk
Speaker 8: to the police throughout across all mediums of copaganda, all
Speaker 8: the different top shows or shows that are not even
Speaker 8: about cops, and they just happen to have that kind
Speaker 8: of scene it they always have where people are faced
Speaker 8: with the stillm of talking to the police. Talking to
Speaker 8: the police, they're negotiating with the police about their case.
Speaker 8: In real life, the police don't have shit to do
Speaker 8: but your case. Police make the arrest, and then you're
Speaker 8: dealing with a prosecutor and a criminal system. The police
Speaker 8: will just be witnesses at most in the case. They
Speaker 8: have nothing to do with what would deal you end
Speaker 8: up with or what you even get charged with.
Speaker 5: But the shows are always like, hey man, you talk
Speaker 5: to me, you know, you come you come clean to me.
Speaker 5: I'll make sure, I'll make sure this isn't messy for you,
Speaker 5: just for.
Speaker 12: A lawyer and pa right well, and also you also
Speaker 12: fed this thing too, Like if you watch shows like
Speaker 12: Dateline and stuff that are about like you know, like
Speaker 12: murder cases and things like that, the detectives will always
Speaker 12: be like the second they asked for a lawyer, I
Speaker 12: knew they were guilty, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And it also feeds this thing to to sort of
Speaker 5: like you know, create the subtext and like actually exercising
Speaker 5: your rights makes you more suspicious and maybe you are
Speaker 5: actually because why wouldn't all the or all the.
Speaker 9: True crime And you know what I think is so funny.
Speaker 8: Every every true crime you go and watch is about
Speaker 8: some case where the police fail to do ship right,
Speaker 8: like every single one, and that's somehow, yes, but they
Speaker 8: will still somehow and what is very obviously policing failure.
Speaker 9: The whole thing is about policing failure. The argument will
Speaker 9: be how the.
Speaker 8: Police like they their arms were tied by some bullshit
Speaker 8: that their arms were not tied by by Oh they
Speaker 8: didn't have this, they didn't have that, and it will
Speaker 8: become this like indictment of the defense. So people have
Speaker 8: been rights so or blah blah blah, rather than the
Speaker 8: fact that the fucking police don't do shit right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the law and order thing is so insidious, like
Speaker 1: you just you don't get to follow a single criminal
Speaker 1: prosecution anywhere else, like from arrest through trial and like
Speaker 1: it really feels like, you know, the thing we know
Speaker 1: about Hollywood is like they they like an underdog story.
Speaker 1: There's this massive like machine that is swallowing up innocent
Speaker 1: people and just making them disappear from their everyday lives.
Speaker 1: And we never really see like how that machine actually works.
Speaker 8: It's just Yeah, A big, a big aspect of corpaganda
Speaker 8: that got talked about in all these shows is the investigation,
Speaker 8: because in real life there is none, Like, there is none.
Speaker 7: There is no fucking investigation.
Speaker 8: All these shows show you police just fucking beating their
Speaker 8: heads in trying to get to the bottom of something.
Speaker 9: Police don't solve no fucking crime. What happens in real life.
Speaker 8: Is someone accused of something of something, the police arrests
Speaker 8: them and what they knew at arrangments is the case
Speaker 8: with the information you got, Like, they don't go trying
Speaker 8: to figure something out. No one is on a quest
Speaker 8: to get to the bottom of it. Also, another thing
Speaker 8: klapaganda does is it makes defense. It reinforces this idea
Speaker 8: that the only people who are deserving of representation or
Speaker 8: can be victims in a criminal system, or who are
Speaker 8: innocent or what have you, right because they'll always have
Speaker 8: defense attorneys. They'll paint defense attorneys. Is these people who
Speaker 8: believe their clients are innocent or who are either stum
Speaker 8: who know that they're representing these bad, terrible, evil people
Speaker 8: they're getting out and they're rich for doing it, or
Speaker 8: they're naive and think that they're innocent and they're on
Speaker 8: a quest to find out that their client is innocent,
Speaker 8: to confirm that their client is innocent, or otherwise they
Speaker 8: can represent them. I just watched Tyler Perry a movie.
Speaker 8: Oh Jesus, Tyler Perry. I just watched the Tyler Perry
Speaker 8: movie just the other night where he had it where
Speaker 8: this defense attorney is supposed to be representing this guy
Speaker 8: accused the murder, and all she's spending her time trying
Speaker 8: to do is trying to like undermine the story, trying
Speaker 8: to find out whether or not he's he's innocent, And
Speaker 8: then once she thinks he's guilty, she quits, what the fuck?
Speaker 8: That don't have nothing to do with the praise of
Speaker 8: Tea in China, Like you have to represent him?
Speaker 9: Like what are we doing?
Speaker 7: Like that?
Speaker 9: That has nothing to do with nothing, But that's how
Speaker 9: it paints it to you.
Speaker 8: So the defense are automatically made up to be bad
Speaker 8: people on the side of bad or otherwise, if they
Speaker 8: weren't on the side of bad, if they would, if
Speaker 8: these were people who deserved, they would be washing their
Speaker 8: hands in this case, or they would what they love
Speaker 8: to do in copaganda's have a defense attorney quit and
Speaker 8: become a prosecutor.
Speaker 2: They love that.
Speaker 5: But that's gonna say the light light after this.
Speaker 9: They did that in Lucifer.
Speaker 8: They actually had They and Lucifer a show about the devil,
Speaker 8: about Satan Satan. They have Satan himself come to earth
Speaker 8: and the only way for Satan to reconcile him himself
Speaker 8: with God is to work with la PD and the
Speaker 8: worst person he comes into contact with, they say, is
Speaker 8: the defense attorney, who in order for her to make
Speaker 8: it to heaven, she had to become a prosecutor.
Speaker 1: Is that real?
Speaker 9: That's what the fuck happened in that show.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 8: Imagine you're me thinking you're gonna go and watch a nice,
Speaker 8: wholesome show about the devil and you get nothing but copaganda.
Speaker 1: It's like wow.
Speaker 5: Even here, it's like, well, why are the LAPD the
Speaker 5: arbiters of who gets into okay whatever.
Speaker 8: Get all the fucking lapd In the show of Corrupt,
Speaker 8: they have like really like corrupt, but somehow that's not
Speaker 8: the problem they had like the wife of the man
Speaker 8: cop that he works with, the husband of the man
Speaker 8: cop that.
Speaker 7: He works with.
Speaker 8: Ex husband is a whole crooked cop doing all kinds
Speaker 8: of shit and they have his real moral dilemma to
Speaker 8: be like when he's dating the prosecutor, I say, ain't
Speaker 8: this about a bitch?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: It's it's just wild, like how the effects of the
Speaker 5: the you know, obviously copaganda helps is like pr for
Speaker 5: the legal system and police and things like that, and
Speaker 5: helps support like the biggest myths we have, Like so
Speaker 5: you know, it's completely just dead's our ability to think
Speaker 5: critically because if you go like like I wonder, man,
Speaker 5: are police are they a threat to marginalize communities? You're like, no, no, no, man,
Speaker 5: because I've seen TV and most of them are just good,
Speaker 5: and you know, some of them are just going through
Speaker 5: stuff like the characters on the on the shows, or
Speaker 5: what if can they do like more with less money?
Speaker 5: It's like, well, no, absolutely not, because they're the only
Speaker 5: thing that keeps us in our society from fully devolving
Speaker 5: into the purge and then on the other side too,
Speaker 5: it completely we have no idea actually how the legal
Speaker 5: system works, So if you actually begin to interact with it,
Speaker 5: you're like, well, based on what I've seen, I don't
Speaker 5: I don't know if I have rights or maybe I
Speaker 5: should talk to the police, or do I go to trial?
Speaker 5: Because you don't you also don't see the part about
Speaker 5: how coercive, like the whole plea deal thing is in
Speaker 5: real life, where they're like, hey, man, if you actually
Speaker 5: look if you go to trial, like you're looking at
Speaker 5: twenty five to life, but or they make.
Speaker 8: It feel like that's what good aggressive policing is, right,
Speaker 8: like when Stabler and these people are blowing down on
Speaker 8: these people and being real aggressive and confrontationalless to those
Speaker 8: on the shows, they act like that's what's needed. That's
Speaker 8: that's what tough on crime is, right, Like tough on
Speaker 8: crime as a whole concept. Law and order, which Republicans
Speaker 8: speak all the time long art is an actual term
Speaker 8: they use twenty four to seven. So it's like a
Speaker 8: coincidence like what law and order is and what that is,
Speaker 8: like it's it's a direct correlation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And just going back to the true crime point,
Speaker 1: like we find you find out these staggering lapses and
Speaker 1: police werek Like we talked about that serial killer in
Speaker 1: Long Island who was on the loose for like a decade,
Speaker 1: and they had a description of his like extremely rare
Speaker 1: car from like one of his first crimes, and it
Speaker 1: was like he lived like blocks away from it. And
Speaker 1: they knew this the whole time. They just like didn't
Speaker 1: chase it down. Like it's just they don't because it
Speaker 1: was a while. Yeah, they don't give a fuck and.
Speaker 8: They don't, like they literally don't give a fuck, Like
Speaker 8: it's funny, Like people who so believe in policing and
Speaker 8: believe police solve crime don't be the people who have
Speaker 8: experienced having to try to you ask the police to
Speaker 8: solve a fucking crime, like you've obviously never called the
Speaker 8: police if you believe the day solved shit, Like you.
Speaker 9: Know what happened.
Speaker 8: So when I when I like a year ago, my
Speaker 8: TV got stolen, right, I ordered a new TV and
Speaker 8: I left it in the hallway, right, And I left
Speaker 8: it in the hallway because I was like, oh, I
Speaker 8: my guys come in and mounted in the morning. I don't
Speaker 8: feel like carrying it up the stairs, wrong decision the
Speaker 8: minute I left to go to the gym. Clearly some
Speaker 8: girl who live in my building told her boyfriend to
Speaker 8: come jack this TV. It's very clear to me that
Speaker 8: this was happened. And I know this because I have proof.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 8: Anyhow, I'm not the ops and I'm a defense attorney,
Speaker 8: so I have no interest whatever. You lost a TV
Speaker 8: like they took to TV Amazon and replaced that for me,
Speaker 8: I have no interest in getting I don't care nothing
Speaker 8: about nothing. But what I think is interesting is that
Speaker 8: even if I did want them to go to jail,
Speaker 8: let me take you out.
Speaker 9: The police don't give a fuck about nothing.
Speaker 8: Right Because Amazon, I go to Amazon to put in
Speaker 8: that I need a new TV because my TV was shacked.
Speaker 8: Amazon goes, Oh, you'd have to you have watch out
Speaker 8: the police state works, right. Amazon goes, you have to
Speaker 8: file a police report in order to get the for
Speaker 8: us to give you a replacement. Right, so you gotta
Speaker 8: call the police. My I ain't laning lord. I tell
Speaker 8: my landlord my TV was stolen. My landlord goes and
Speaker 8: gets the security footage and shows me the guys stealing
Speaker 8: my TV. Like, oh, seamless too. It was excellent. I
Speaker 8: couldn't even mean I was excellent.
Speaker 9: It was very clear.
Speaker 8: They had their eyes on that TV all day. The
Speaker 8: minute I left that building, someone texted them.
Speaker 9: They buzzed. They came in but their face masks COVID protection.
Speaker 8: They came in with their face masks, and they literally
Speaker 8: they picked up the TV like walk right out the door.
Speaker 9: You can see them.
Speaker 8: You can fully see the people. The Beliics ain't even ask.
Speaker 8: They don't give a fuck. They were like, they know
Speaker 8: I have a video. They were like, yeah, so anyway,
Speaker 8: that's what you needed, right something, didn't ask, didn't didn't
Speaker 8: get the video. They were like, real, right that you
Speaker 8: had a video, didn't look at it, didn't look at it.
Speaker 8: Didn't ask me to be sent nothing. The other day,
Speaker 8: there were two little girls. I was walking in my
Speaker 8: neighborhood and there were two little girls running, a seven
Speaker 8: year old and a four year old running through the street,
Speaker 8: and I'm like, what the fuck, where are their parents
Speaker 8: and stuff? So and then I see them run to
Speaker 8: this white lady, and me and this white lady end
Speaker 8: up going on and spending the quest the rest of
Speaker 8: the evening trying to where these little girls came from.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 8: One is seven and one is four. The seven year
Speaker 8: old's badass was in on it. The seven year old
Speaker 8: snuck them out of the like when the people at
Speaker 8: the day care, and I'd figured her out at the daycare,
Speaker 8: turned their back. She took the little four year old
Speaker 8: and she went running. She wanted to go to her
Speaker 8: little friend's house. And she don't know where she's going.
Speaker 8: She is seven, but she's not trying to go back,
Speaker 8: so she won't help us. So she's like actively leading
Speaker 8: us in the wrong direction. Spend hours a little four
Speaker 8: year olds who did it? Anyway? When I finally get
Speaker 8: these little girls back to the house as the police
Speaker 8: are coming outside to us, they're fen police inside the
Speaker 8: house just looking at these people for hours, like I
Speaker 8: don't know where the kids is or whatever.
Speaker 9: Hadn't gone searching around the neighborhood. Nothing right. I returned
Speaker 9: to kids.
Speaker 8: They did not even They didn't take my name, they
Speaker 8: didn't talk to me. They didn't make it not a statement,
Speaker 8: not a check for how the fuck did they know?
Speaker 9: I didn't snap the I didn't like take those little girls.
Speaker 8: They didn't know that anywhere they'd come from, if something
Speaker 8: had happened to them, how they know.
Speaker 9: They don't know that, but they ain't checked because they ship.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it could be a lot of work if we
Speaker 5: have to look into this.
Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna say, all right, cool, thanks.
Speaker 9: Uh literally, I promise you. Literally.
Speaker 8: I had to like volunteer, like like trying to tell them, like, hey,
Speaker 8: this is what happened.
Speaker 7: Is weird.
Speaker 9: This one was that I did not give them.
Speaker 7: It was just looking.
Speaker 9: They had been in the house for hours, just looking
Speaker 9: at them brothers cry like just like this.
Speaker 8: They weren't even like outside, like they weren't controlling the
Speaker 8: neighborhood or anything.
Speaker 9: They were just more and I'm coming just looking house
Speaker 9: like I don't know where the.
Speaker 2: Kids are, got some more of this food.
Speaker 8: Like we were walking around the same neighborhood in broad
Speaker 8: day like to like falling.
Speaker 1: Look all right, let's uh, let's take a quick break.
Speaker 1: We'll come back and talk about some more of how
Speaker 1: this ship works. We'll be right back, and we're back
Speaker 1: and justin Timberlake making a comeback. That that's a phrase
Speaker 1: that we've never heard befo right, just every five years.
Speaker 1: I feel like I was just I wanted to, you know,
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring this to everybody today on the show,
Speaker 1: because so like a few nights ago, right, he performed
Speaker 1: at the Wiltern in LA to roll out his new album,
Speaker 1: and it gets it turned into like a mini and
Speaker 1: Sync reunion, and some people were like, Wow, that is
Speaker 1: so cool. That is really smart. That is how to
Speaker 1: get people interested in the album. But part of me
Speaker 1: is like, I wonder if the reunion is a way
Speaker 1: to get people to remember the Justin Timberlake that people
Speaker 1: were like less annoyed by, because in the last few years, right,
Speaker 1: I feel like his reputation has like faded, like as
Speaker 1: he like more people were talking critically about like he's like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: you threw Janet Jackson straight under the bus, Like what
Speaker 1: the fuck was that about, Justin?
Speaker 2: Or what was going on?
Speaker 5: Like you and Britney Spears like you kind of you
Speaker 5: kind of come off as like an asshole and his
Speaker 5: like response wasn't that great? Or other times you being
Speaker 5: like you sure love black culture, but you didn't really
Speaker 5: say much. In twenty twenty, Justin are are you there?
Speaker 5: And like I think he's recent SNL performance with the
Speaker 5: Gospel choir like that definitely also got mixed attention. So
Speaker 5: I'm like I liked the Justified album of two thousand
Speaker 5: and two, sure the subsequent records not so much. But
Speaker 5: I'm also not his target audience. But like after a
Speaker 5: future sex Love Sounds, the twenty twenty experience and then
Speaker 5: Man in the In the in the Wooded Plane or
Speaker 5: whatever that album was, where he's wearing a faster shit
Speaker 5: in jeans, people just like started to care less and less.
Speaker 5: So like personally, I'm wondering for Justin. Timberlake is like
Speaker 5: the n SYNC reunion, his version of smashing the button
Speaker 5: that says do not break glass unless in case of
Speaker 5: emergency to be like shit, bro, like I need to
Speaker 5: fucking get a like a jet fuel injection into my relevance.
Speaker 5: Let me bring like, let me bring and sync back
Speaker 5: because it's something he was very reluctant to do in
Speaker 5: the past. But I think maybe deep down he knew
Speaker 5: was something that could be potent. So then I'm like
Speaker 5: wondering if by embracing his clean cut ramen hair past,
Speaker 5: he can try and get people to remember why they
Speaker 5: liked him when they were thirteen. And that's that's what
Speaker 5: I bring to the two of you, is what it like,
Speaker 5: Because I don't I just don't. I don't think that
Speaker 5: he has the same amount of pull that he used
Speaker 5: to when people are like, oh my god, Justin Temple
Speaker 5: Lake's back, just like like every subsequent Justin Temple Lakes.
Speaker 2: Back has just been met with Yeah right, yeah, I guess.
Speaker 5: And is it more a function that like he peaked
Speaker 5: during a time where we weren't having like really honest
Speaker 5: conversations about like sexism, racism, appropriation and he's just a
Speaker 5: weird fit in like how we view all these topics
Speaker 5: now in this current era. Or is he just washed
Speaker 5: and I'm thinking too much.
Speaker 1: It feels like if they're like this one could go
Speaker 1: either way. If there's like a bunch of great songs
Speaker 1: on the album that people respond to, then they'll find
Speaker 1: a way to get over all that other stuff. Maybe,
Speaker 1: But maybe all that other stuff and like that there
Speaker 1: just might not be like maybe all that combined to
Speaker 1: make to make whatever he's putting out there just not
Speaker 1: not resonate with people, you know, right, I don't know
Speaker 1: the Man of the Woods, Like I'll just say that
Speaker 1: Man of the Woods was not an album that no
Speaker 1: thought was put into. I'm sure like an entire you know,
Speaker 1: Ivy League universities, graduating class worth of like marketing minds
Speaker 1: and like songwriters and all that shit. Like put We're
Speaker 1: working around the clock on that shit, you know, to
Speaker 1: try and make it as successful as humanly possible, and
Speaker 1: it just fucking flatlined. You know, just belly flopped into
Speaker 1: that pond in the middle of the woods that he
Speaker 1: was standing in for some reason on the album cover.
Speaker 5: Because it felt like like his like right word turn.
Speaker 5: But I don't know, Shila Way, what what are your
Speaker 5: thoughts on the the psych that the Timberlake cycles that
Speaker 5: we experience in popular culture.
Speaker 7: I think it's back to it goes back to taste.
Speaker 7: Does Justin Timberlake and his team have their pulse on
Speaker 7: the the you know, their thumb on the pulse of
Speaker 7: anything that people are interested in or believe in. At
Speaker 7: the moment, I can't remember the last time that a
Speaker 7: Justin Timberlake song hit me and I'm like, yeah, this
Speaker 7: is a banger in a way that I will forget
Speaker 7: all of his past defenses. You know, I'm still waiting
Speaker 7: for the recovery of Janet Jackson's career. I feel that
Speaker 7: that is owed the world, and I feel very much
Speaker 7: like the you know, the scorched earth of his continued
Speaker 7: Sissphician role back up the Hill is you know what's
Speaker 7: what's due to him for the fact that he destroyed,
Speaker 7: you know, an actual icon. So I you know, I
Speaker 7: justin I need to be married to a dutch Man.
Speaker 7: And what Justin Timberlake reminds me of each time he
Speaker 7: rolls himself back out is how how hard my ex
Speaker 7: would try every time we went to a family barbecue
Speaker 7: to pick up the steps to the electric slide. And
Speaker 7: when he he felt like he was getting it, you know,
Speaker 7: it would show all over his face like he really
Speaker 7: he felt like he was in this time. And each
Speaker 7: time we were just you know, doing our best to
Speaker 7: just like you know, clap him, clap our hands and
Speaker 7: and parade him out and you know, like and make
Speaker 7: you feel good about himself.
Speaker 2: We love that for you.
Speaker 1: That's just like a child their first like pedal baby steps.
Speaker 13: You know you're still like, yeah, you know, but if
Speaker 13: we don't live there anymore like that, you know, that
Speaker 13: was that was something that we were all doing in
Speaker 13: our twenties that just we've all gotten over.
Speaker 5: Like yeah right, yeah, I mean that is the thing,
Speaker 5: like I just feel like over the years that just
Speaker 5: like the not like every time people look back, you're like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, you fucking did. Janet's so fucking.
Speaker 5: Dirty like that, you're like that, Like I just remember
Speaker 5: that was like early on in our show, and I
Speaker 5: remember we're talking about that because I think it was
Speaker 5: when talking about Les Moonvez and like when his all
Speaker 5: his allegations came out, how central he was also to
Speaker 5: being like I'm going to punish the black woman in
Speaker 5: this instance, and and we're riding with Timberlake here and
Speaker 5: then yeah, and even like as like all of the
Speaker 5: attention was came around like Brittany and like all of
Speaker 5: her hardships throughout her career and how justin Timberlake wasn't
Speaker 5: the best partner. Like again, you're like huh. And then again,
Speaker 5: like I said, in twenty twenty, a lot of people
Speaker 5: are like, this fool isn't saying shit about anything. And
Speaker 5: you are out here doing collaborations with black artists, black producers,
Speaker 5: you do it. Your whole R and B style is
Speaker 5: very black culture centered. Yet you're just you're really showing
Speaker 5: yourself as one of these vulture type people who's like YEA,
Speaker 5: all right, well I got what I wanted, and the
Speaker 5: second it's about like having a stance. I'm just gonna
Speaker 5: do my Kirkland signature moonwalk.
Speaker 1: I was just trying to like get the timeline on
Speaker 1: in Sink's original like rise. So they came out in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven in Germany and then nineteen ninety eight internationally,
Speaker 1: that first album, which just like that takes me back
Speaker 1: to it time when like that sort of shit only
Speaker 1: flew in Germany, Like that was that was the thing
Speaker 1: that was like popular that we were like, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's like corny shit the German people are into. And
Speaker 1: then they're like our resistances were down, you know, towards
Speaker 1: the end of the Clinton administration, and they're finally let
Speaker 1: it in. And now we've been moving towards German history
Speaker 1: in a lot of different ways.
Speaker 5: Every Yeah, I wish we could go to Germany in
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety seven rather than Germany nineteen thirty seven.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll see, we'll see how it
Speaker 5: all pans out. But I do like, I like Sheila
Speaker 5: your observation that maybe more than washed or not washed,
Speaker 5: it seems more karmic than anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a look, I.
Speaker 7: Mean, I'm all for a J. C. Schawse comeback. I
Speaker 7: am all for putting things together to put lamps on
Speaker 7: a spaceship, you know, but it's it's the Justin Timberlake
Speaker 7: comeback for me. Then I'm like, well, this is what
Speaker 7: you get?
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, Justin Well he's doing what he can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right for real.
Speaker 1: I just feel like I should launch in Women's History month,
Speaker 1: don't you guys think?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, remember, but I'll do with him sync though,
Speaker 5: so they remember that guy, not the the other dude
Speaker 5: with the murky ship. Just remember me when I wore
Speaker 5: that that matching denim outfit with Brittany. Please, that's me.
Speaker 5: That little boy.
Speaker 1: Ramen hair is really like truly what what a what
Speaker 1: a look so evocative.
Speaker 7: I can still hear it, you know, I can still
Speaker 7: hear it crunching underneath. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he puts a hat on it, like, bro, just
Speaker 5: step on a.
Speaker 2: Bag of chips. No, man, it's my jail. My la
Speaker 2: looks gel that I've been putting in here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And finally, Bernie Sanders just introduced a bill proposing that
Speaker 1: the country adopt a four day work week with that
Speaker 1: loss of pay. That last quote is important. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I'm assuming something that will immediately be ignored in the
Speaker 1: context of him proposing his bill and presumably in the
Speaker 1: execution of the bill if if it ever picks up
Speaker 1: any sort of traction. But the four day work week
Speaker 1: is something we've been talking about for a while on
Speaker 1: this show. It is both in line with, you know,
Speaker 1: better quality of life and also, when it has been
Speaker 1: tried out, companies do better, their employees are healthier. That
Speaker 1: it's just more in line with what a company driven
Speaker 1: by human workers should be doing.
Speaker 14: It turns out, and well, it's like it's one of
Speaker 14: those things too where any ask any person who works
Speaker 14: five days a week, they're like, yeah, would you rather
Speaker 14: work four days a week? I'd imagine conservatively polling on
Speaker 14: that is, I would just say conservative, right, because they're
Speaker 14: two percent people who are.
Speaker 5: Probably just like no, no, no, there's no way I
Speaker 5: can get it all done, because, like, you know, the
Speaker 5: boss was like, hold on, would your life be better
Speaker 5: if you only worked four days a week? The worker money, yeah,
Speaker 5: The workers say oh hell yeah absolutely. But the people
Speaker 5: who are the ones in the c suites, the you know,
Speaker 5: the owners of the businesses, are gonna then seed headlines
Speaker 5: like this in Fox Business that say, Bernie Sanders moves
Speaker 5: to reduce work hours for millions of Americans get the
Speaker 5: fuck out of here. Yeah, I mean, yeah, sure, while
Speaker 5: also giving you way more time to do things that
Speaker 5: maybe will help you have a like more like life
Speaker 5: work balance. That's it's a very it's it's so misleading.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I just I'm curious how long it would
Speaker 5: take for something like that to really catch like momentum here,
Speaker 5: because you see it being trialed in Europe in Asia,
Speaker 5: and the results, like we've said in past episodes, they
Speaker 5: always it's never like and then that company crashed and burned.
Speaker 1: More often than not, the companies come out and say,
Speaker 1: let's keep doing that. That worked out really well for
Speaker 1: us and our employees. And yeah, I mean, Sanders pointed out,
Speaker 1: it is like not a radical idea. It just makes
Speaker 1: more sense. People are more productive, happier, don't have to
Speaker 1: operate within a system literally created by evil, old timey
Speaker 1: car factory owners.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: H Like, it's just a system that we've been going
Speaker 1: with forever because that's where we started, you know, right,
Speaker 1: It's a win win, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, And like when you think about like, well what
Speaker 5: about efficiency, it's like, people today work at a tick
Speaker 5: that has never been seen in human history. We are
Speaker 5: four American workers are four hundred percent more productive than
Speaker 5: they were in the nineteen forties, when a lot of
Speaker 5: people would say, you know, back at my day, I
Speaker 5: used to go here in the factory and then we
Speaker 5: would you know, do a couple of hate crimes and
Speaker 5: go home or something like that. Now we're we're talking
Speaker 5: about now, we're talking about people doing four hundred percent
Speaker 5: more than that. And it's just like, I don't know, man,
Speaker 5: four days sounds risky, sounds risky, Yeah, hardly.
Speaker 1: Anybody who works these days is drunk the whole day.
Speaker 1: That's a huge improvement over a place as recently as
Speaker 1: like thirty years ago. And if they are drunk the
Speaker 1: whole day, like that is viewed as a problem that
Speaker 1: they should deal with and not just like the standard
Speaker 1: order of doing business.
Speaker 5: You know, Sheila, what's your what's your like work life
Speaker 5: balance as a as a writer? You know, intellect like,
Speaker 5: do you do you have do you give yourself a
Speaker 5: certain amount of time that you like to be productive?
Speaker 2: How do you sort of use your time to be productive?
Speaker 7: I've really unsubscribed from the capitalist framework of working. So
Speaker 7: much of my work is catered around my dream like
Speaker 7: my my literal dreams, trying to figure, you know, trying
Speaker 7: to decipher how to turn my dreams into story that
Speaker 7: are prophecies of future of our nation. You know, the
Speaker 7: last time that I worked at an office, what I
Speaker 7: would really love to see is a poll, really that
Speaker 7: a totally anonymous pole in which we looked at how
Speaker 7: much people are actually working within the frame of their
Speaker 7: work day, if they were supposed to, if they were
Speaker 7: going to sit down and say, because I just remember
Speaker 7: how much of the time I was a cat jift,
Speaker 7: just trying to look busy, just tapping away at a
Speaker 7: computer for no reason, like I was really working a
Speaker 7: solid three and a half days out of the week
Speaker 7: if I was totally honest with how I was spending
Speaker 7: that time. So if we actually let people have that
Speaker 7: extra day so that they regained a sense of mental
Speaker 7: health and agency, they too could go about their world's
Speaker 7: you know, looking at flowers and you know, coming up
Speaker 7: with the next great idea. You know, there's just so
Speaker 7: much more creatively that would come out of us if
Speaker 7: we had that option.
Speaker 5: There was there was a super producer Anahosys. She shared
Speaker 5: a clip with me of James McAvoy on a talk
Speaker 5: show and he was talking about how there's something about
Speaker 5: like how fifty percent of like the UK's award recipients
Speaker 5: went to private schools, like for when it comes to
Speaker 5: the arts, and he was saying about how the way
Speaker 5: that the arts are being pulled out of public instruction
Speaker 5: are is like this very insidious way to keep people
Speaker 5: like sort of trapped in this mindset that the toil
Speaker 5: or the turn of capitalism. Now he wasn't using those
Speaker 5: words exactly, but that that's the only way to live.
Speaker 5: And without exposure to the arts, you're fundamentally cutting people
Speaker 5: off from the ability to look at things in a
Speaker 5: broader context in a way to interpret things with like
Speaker 5: with deeper meaning. And that is just one way, because
Speaker 5: we see this, especially in the United States, how the
Speaker 5: arts are constantly being attacked when it comes to public instruction,
Speaker 5: and like how important it is for people like I
Speaker 5: look at my own life, like if my my father
Speaker 5: is a photographer, so I was just by like just
Speaker 5: osmosis around more artistic things. And luckily my school had
Speaker 5: a music program, so I got really into playing music
Speaker 5: and I feel like so I really do credit so
Speaker 5: much of that to like me thinking just in general
Speaker 5: that there's so many other things out there aside from like, well,
Speaker 5: do you want to be an accountant, do you want
Speaker 5: to work in a trade? And not that those things
Speaker 5: are less than but like that, I've merely had the
Speaker 5: perspective to see many other possibilities, And I thought was
Speaker 5: a really interesting point about how that sort of affects
Speaker 5: the youth and sort of what the outcomes are later
Speaker 5: in life.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, the possibility of us being allowed to have ideas
Speaker 7: is destabilizing, and I think that's more frightening than anything
Speaker 7: to these big companies.
Speaker 15: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we saw that when people had more
Speaker 1: time during the pandemic.
Speaker 2: Everybody looked around and was like.
Speaker 1: This is fucking bullshit. But I think it's interesting because
Speaker 1: your point that we're already working three and a half
Speaker 1: days a week, Like they have that data at this point, right,
Speaker 1: like your work laptop, your work computer is loaded with
Speaker 1: spyware at this point, Like Amazon is tracking their like
Speaker 1: their employees' bathroom breaks. They know what people are averaging
Speaker 1: out to. So that actually makes this whole movement and
Speaker 1: the fact that companies are willing to try out. The
Speaker 1: four day work week make a little bit more sense
Speaker 1: to me now because in the past I've been like, wait,
Speaker 1: why are companies willing to like even entertain this. It's
Speaker 1: probably because they're like, oh, yeah, well, people don't only
Speaker 1: work like three and a half days anyways, and so
Speaker 1: in this way, we actually get four full days out
Speaker 1: of them, and then they actually think we're being nice
Speaker 1: to them. The fact that it's not being adopted more
Speaker 1: widely is it is a little wild that they're just
Speaker 1: like yeah, but still that's given them too much power,
Speaker 1: given them too much time to dream and come up
Speaker 1: with ideas for something better.
Speaker 2: So right, we're going to keep.
Speaker 1: Them in the cubicle just uh we we want our
Speaker 1: employees to spend at least ten hours a week pretending
Speaker 1: to be busy, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what's writing your Victor?
Speaker 1: But Victor was saying, oh yeah, yeah right, super producer
Speaker 1: Victor was saying that basically every company that did this
Speaker 1: in a UK study said productivity either maintained or increased.
Speaker 1: So but Sheer innership.
Speaker 2: Data is right there.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, oh, I mean I can I can totally
Speaker 5: see how it's the kind of momentum that business owners
Speaker 5: do not want to like contribute to, you know, because
Speaker 5: then they're like, what's next, They're going to start unionizing
Speaker 5: in mass Then what are we going to do? Then
Speaker 5: they're really gonna then they're going to ask for us
Speaker 5: to share in the profits that that we're extracting from
Speaker 5: their labor.
Speaker 2: No, No, let's just let's slowly.
Speaker 5: Maybe what if we do, like rather than forty hours,
Speaker 5: we start off with like thirty six, you know, and
Speaker 5: then and we'll go down like maybe a half day
Speaker 5: Friday now, and then maybe we can get rid of
Speaker 5: Friday completely. But yeah, it's just look, the proof is
Speaker 5: there in the pudding. Just just it's right there. People
Speaker 5: are more productive and happier.
Speaker 1: Don't They usually just say like forty hours over the
Speaker 1: course of four days. Like I feel like that is oftentimes.
Speaker 5: That's another version of it too, But like, you know,
Speaker 5: to what we're saying here, most people do not need
Speaker 5: forty hours depending obviously this is this is occupationally dependent,
Speaker 5: but like do not need the forty hours to achieve
Speaker 5: whatever their company's goals are. Yeah, obviously you can't do
Speaker 5: that if you're doing something like working as a like
Speaker 5: the health services or something like that. But yeah, many Sandway.
Speaker 1: Bill specific specifies forty two, making the national standard from
Speaker 1: forty to thirty two hours. So no, no loopholes, sorry,
Speaker 1: big corporations.
Speaker 5: I mean shit, do fucking you know, like do three
Speaker 5: eleven hour days?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Work three days a week if you've probably got to
Speaker 5: thirty two because I'm only going to work you know
Speaker 5: that quarter of those.
Speaker 2: Anyway, there you go.
Speaker 1: Well, Sheila, what a pleasure having you on the daily zeitgeist.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's been a joy.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you and follow you and all
Speaker 1: that good stuff?
Speaker 7: You can follow me at Shila Lawson on Instagram and
Speaker 7: you can find me in my latest book, How to
Speaker 7: Live Free in a Dangerous World, in which I say
Speaker 7: fuck capitalism and the patriarchy.
Speaker 1: Wait a second, now, now hold on, just to god,
Speaker 1: damn second. Now, I'm just joking.
Speaker 5: I thought you were cool.
Speaker 7: I wait until the end book to stick it to
Speaker 7: the man.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, no's do cool the whole.
Speaker 7: Time, and so we throw out what I actually do
Speaker 7: with my life.
Speaker 1: Amazing. Yeah, please everybody go buy the book. And is
Speaker 1: there a work of media that you've been enjoying?
Speaker 7: Fuck? I don't have one. I mean, that's the kind
Speaker 7: of hole that I had to stay in to write
Speaker 7: a travel book about trying to traverse the world in
Speaker 7: most decolonial ways as possible. I can't stay on the
Speaker 7: internet like you know, the bots can do that for me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 2: I was as good. People should go read your book.
Speaker 7: Yeah, let's let's go back to reading people.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I got through about the first forty pages and I'm
Speaker 5: around the party you're in Zimbabwe, uh, And it's very
Speaker 5: very eye opening as someone who's half black and trying
Speaker 5: to like have introspection around blackness and what that means.
Speaker 5: And I found that just this one passage was reading
Speaker 5: about you in the car was very like eye opening.
Speaker 7: But yeah, when I went to Zimbabwe right after Trump
Speaker 7: got elected, and I was still afraid of getting arrested
Speaker 7: as a black person in a fully black country, you know.
Speaker 5: And they're like, oh, that's not oh see yeah yeah
Speaker 5: you're yeah, so you're black from America. This is right different.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah yeah, no, I'm yeah. And man, your writing
Speaker 5: style is really it's it's like art, it's like pro
Speaker 5: So yeah, I really encourage people to to definitely check
Speaker 5: the book out because it's gone through the whole thing,
Speaker 5: so maybe it might might have it might take a
Speaker 5: weird turn about being anthy tablist or something.
Speaker 16: Suddenly it's on the front, you know, colonial dangerous. I'm
Speaker 16: not you know, I'm not shiitting anybody.
Speaker 7: I'm geographing.
Speaker 1: Being. At least one review being like now wait, just
Speaker 1: to goddamn second tier. Someone said this was like, E
Speaker 1: pray love, keep your politics out of my memoir reading. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, that's gonna do it. For this week's weekly Zeitgeist.
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