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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of the

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from

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Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza. Yeah, So,

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Speaker 1: without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist.

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Speaker 2: Miles.

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Speaker 1: We're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by

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Speaker 1: a real dried up piece of shits you as you

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Speaker 1: said to him when he joined the zoom this morning

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Speaker 1: for some reason. Brilliant comedian, writer, actor who's brought you

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Speaker 1: comedy albums such as the Blake album, The Stuffed Boy

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Speaker 1: Live from the Pandemic, twelve years of voicemails from Todd

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Speaker 1: Glass to Blake Wexler and his new special Daddy lung Legs.

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Speaker 1: Very funny. You can go watch it right now on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: You must go watch it right now. Please welcome. Be hilarious,

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Speaker 1: the chaotic, the riding a coming bike in short shorts.

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Speaker 3: This is Blake Wexler AKA. We're going to get to

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Speaker 3: know you a little bit better, but first we're going

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Speaker 3: to tell our listeners a couple of things we're going

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Speaker 3: to be talking about today. Guys, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: Hey man, that's fucked up. Yeah's aka that's how people

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Speaker 3: refer through Jack.

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Speaker 1: Nobody.

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Speaker 4: Nobody refers to as constantly. You're talking to me right now, No,

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Speaker 4: like you always are, you always are. Yeah, I am

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Speaker 4: the stuff of my mouth.

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Speaker 2: What were you thinking? Are you just came?

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Speaker 5: Were you like like tossing and turning in your bed

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Speaker 5: this morning in your head?

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Speaker 1: Weird weird time change. Yeah, you know, there's a there's

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Speaker 1: an alarm at my house, like somebody opened our garage

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Speaker 1: in the middle.

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Speaker 2: Of the night, freaking my wife.

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Speaker 1: My wife out, So we're, uh, you know, we're going

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Speaker 1: on a little bit of sleep. And that's what bubbled

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Speaker 1: the surface of my brain.

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Speaker 5: And then you're talking about how you're philating the whole

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Speaker 5: town of.

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Speaker 6: Late in the whole town of Austin Man the of

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Speaker 6: your tongue and the back of your throat. Oh but

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Speaker 6: did you ever go garaging when you were younger? Was

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Speaker 6: that a term that you were aware of? When I'm

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Speaker 6: not would go to I guess like parents or I

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Speaker 6: guess people now our age grown ups would keep beer

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Speaker 6: in their garage and you would break into a garage.

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Speaker 1: I do know about this from Sea Isle City.

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Speaker 3: And yes, yeah, yeah, that was the.

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Speaker 1: Shilly suburb of Sea Isle City.

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Speaker 5: Yeah wait, wait, wait, so that it was a good

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Speaker 5: thing where it's like, yo, they have a garage fridge

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Speaker 5: with beer, let's fucking bust in there and take the

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Speaker 5: fucking beer.

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Speaker 3: It's it's interesting. I think you're even taking it a

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Speaker 3: step further of research. Where there was no surveillance, it

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Speaker 3: was assumed there's a garage. Yes, there must be beer

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Speaker 3: kept in it, because the garage is generally cooler. I think,

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Speaker 3: like before you refrigerate it, people would just keep beer

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Speaker 3: in the garage. But I guess they don't have a garage.

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Speaker 3: But if I did, I probably wouldn't keep I would

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Speaker 3: keep it in my basement, keep it in my gun

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Speaker 3: safe and my gun we went gun safing as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: with their firearms to be white. They have a bad

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Speaker 3: time like just whimsically breaking the garage for beers. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's a quick part of a domicile, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: When I was a you know, seventeen year old in

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Speaker 1: Kentucky who just wanted nothing more than to drink at

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Speaker 1: all times, I can't believe it didn't occur to me.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm actually disappointed in myself that we.

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Speaker 2: Didn't do that.

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Speaker 1: We just like went to the liquor stores and played

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Speaker 1: hey buddy, which is so humiliating. Yeah, like, hey man,

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Speaker 1: hey many, I'll suck you, dick man, come on call

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Speaker 1: to the south by Mouth guy, Get the fuck away.

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Speaker 2: You know my nickname bro? All right? Whatever? Wait man?

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Speaker 5: Like, Yeah, if you had a time machine and you

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Speaker 5: can right one wrong or change decision in your life, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: get back in time and tell my teenage self.

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Speaker 1: And there's this thing called garaging you're gonna learn about

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Speaker 1: in a few years because your cousins in Sew City

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Speaker 1: do it. Were actually more likely your aunt and uncle

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Speaker 1: like tell us that it's out of control in Sel City.

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Speaker 1: The youths are out of control, fully out of control anyway,

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Speaker 1: shout out to Sea City man, what a town? What

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Speaker 1: is something from your search history that's revealing about.

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Speaker 2: Who you are?

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Speaker 7: Right now?

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Speaker 8: My Google search history is filled with me searching for

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Speaker 8: all Mary Kay Nashley books that I have to buy

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Speaker 8: used because for whatever reason, they're not selling them new anymore.

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Speaker 8: And you know what's crazy, I keep trying to Google

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Speaker 8: answers like why has no one else explored why Mary

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Speaker 8: Kay nashally don't.

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Speaker 9: Have those available? Like you could buy the damn federalist.

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Speaker 8: Papers, books that happened before you like, but I can't

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Speaker 8: get Mary Kay Nashally books new.

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Speaker 7: That's right, that's what I'm searching.

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Speaker 1: Were you raised on Mary Kay Naturally?

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Speaker 10: Like?

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Speaker 1: Are those nostalgic?

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Speaker 9: C you understand that if Mary Kay Nashley was on it,

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Speaker 9: I bought it?

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Speaker 7: Okay, I wow? All in books? Okay, I love you.

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Speaker 7: I love them.

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Speaker 2: You got the first edition Brother for sale?

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Speaker 7: Listen.

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Speaker 8: I had when I had a bookcase in my room

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Speaker 8: as a kid, and it was completely just filled all

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Speaker 8: in books.

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Speaker 9: Every time it would be like a book sale at

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Speaker 9: my school.

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Speaker 7: And you know what I liked. It was before the

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Speaker 7: internet was what it was.

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Speaker 8: It wasn't like you could just google, oh, here are

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Speaker 8: all the Mary Kay Nationally books. It was just like

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Speaker 8: it would be random new like, oh, they're on this one.

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Speaker 7: It's the Adventures of something Else. I'm getting that. I

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Speaker 7: loved Urrigay Nationally. I went up for them. Those were

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Speaker 7: my favorite two white girls in the world.

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Speaker 5: They were in the grade below me in grade school,

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Speaker 5: at the same school, and they were never at school.

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Speaker 5: But I look, I'm like one of my point at pride.

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Speaker 5: You know, Mary Kate had you know, shattery on me,

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Speaker 5: you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: So, okay, look at why were they out of school?

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Speaker 1: They were too busy typing out all those novels.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean because they were just like you know,

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Speaker 5: like in La like a lot of times you go

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Speaker 5: to squick their kids who just are in the business.

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Speaker 5: They're just they're fucking working all the time. And then

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Speaker 5: they also just have set teachers, so like when they

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Speaker 5: even even when they come to school, they're like, I

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Speaker 5: don't know what the fuck's going on, man, Like I

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Speaker 5: just came here to just like see just to let

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Speaker 5: y'all know how balling we are, and then we'll maybe

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Speaker 5: see you in like another couple of months.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the brand was real, though, you know. The thing

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Speaker 1: that I always heard was that they had like become

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Speaker 1: billionaires by the time I think we were like in

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Speaker 1: our early twenties.

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Speaker 7: Were I definitely gave them a billion dollars. I'm telling

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Speaker 7: you me alone.

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Speaker 1: But like I didn't know the publishing side of their empire.

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Speaker 1: I knew that they had movies, Like.

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Speaker 8: It's such an underrated part of the empire because it

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Speaker 8: was huge every for fuck the movies, Like the movies

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Speaker 8: they would go and make the books up. They had

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Speaker 8: like a little show when they were young called like

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Speaker 8: the Adventures of American Nashley, and they turned that into a

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Speaker 8: book bag every time they had and anytime they did

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Speaker 8: have a show, they would turn every episode of their

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Speaker 8: shows into one of those books.

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Speaker 7: It would be the Adventures of America and that. So listen.

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Speaker 8: I I grew up in Obahama, so understand if I'm

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Speaker 8: telling you giving them all my money in the Bahamas,

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Speaker 8: and there were a.

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Speaker 3: Community of other little girls giving them all the money

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Speaker 3: to buy the globe.

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Speaker 8: Around the globe they had, they had it in the bag.

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Speaker 8: I had them all every series they had me locked into.

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Speaker 8: They we like nineteen and they just decided they didn't

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Speaker 8: want to run an empire.

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Speaker 1: No more, right is boring? I'm bored with this. What

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Speaker 1: was your introduction to them like in the Bahamas? I'm curious,

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Speaker 1: liked it? Was it full house or after them?

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 8: My mummy so my household, my daddy is Nigerian and

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Speaker 8: my mummy is this partner.

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Speaker 7: So there was no fun and joy in my household.

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Speaker 8: All I was allowed, all I was allowed to do

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Speaker 8: was school and read and so the only thing that

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Speaker 8: made Bye she'd never buy like video games and let

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Speaker 8: me go do anything, but she would spend a bag

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Speaker 8: in the bookstore. So I'd go in the bookstore, sit

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Speaker 8: on the floor and just pick things. And I liked,

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Speaker 8: you know, it was appeal was marketed to you as

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Speaker 8: a girl. So I think I got the first one,

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Speaker 8: and then I got all them, all those and lemony snickets,

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Speaker 8: the series of unfortunate events.

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Speaker 2: I had it all. Do you like?

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Speaker 5: Do you have like a book you're chasing right now,

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Speaker 5: like Ail Mary Kate Nashley booked, You're like, man, I

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Speaker 5: got to get my hands on this.

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Speaker 8: I have like one hundred Mary Kay and Nashley used

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Speaker 8: books sitting in my Amazon card right now.

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Speaker 7: It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 9: Like I'm like, I've told myself.

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Speaker 8: I told my boyfriend I'm buying them for our future

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Speaker 8: children as the investment.

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Speaker 7: That's what I'm justifying it.

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Speaker 9: I would be so upset if my children tell me

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Speaker 9: they don't like it.

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Speaker 1: Right, and it's gonna rise up like the after the Apocalypse,

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Speaker 1: Like it's gonna be the Book of Eli type thing

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Speaker 1: that everybody like uses as the gospel.

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Speaker 7: Right, I'm waiting for them to make a bounce back.

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 8: I want them to sell new books, but Mary Kay Nashley, like,

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Speaker 8: I don't even think there's a place to put pressure

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Speaker 7: They just off the grid somewhere.

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Speaker 1: They just quit us. They were like, yeah, we could

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Speaker 1: continue to like build an empire and at this point

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Speaker 1: be challenging Bezos's fortune, but we're just like it's boring

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Speaker 1: to us. We're gonna go.

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Speaker 8: And that's the thing, right, because that's obviously an executive choice,

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Speaker 8: because it's one thing if they don't make new things,

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Speaker 8: but they won't even sell the old things, Like how

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Speaker 8: is a book just out?

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Speaker 9: Everybody? Y'all have fun a lot of print?

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Speaker 7: Why are you doing this.

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Speaker 5: Is one of them still with the brother of Jacques Sharrock.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea.

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Speaker 8: I remember, yeah, okay was not the old guy, but

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Speaker 8: I don't remember like what came of that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, Oh no, it's Nicholas Sarkozsi's brother,

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Speaker 5: That's who it was. And I was like, what French

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Speaker 5: president was it? Yeah, the brother of Sarcozes money?

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Speaker 1: I had, Yeah, I feel like those books, like I

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Speaker 1: read every Hardy Boys book that came out. I read

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Speaker 1: like the Red Wall series of books, and I feel

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Speaker 1: like if I went back and revisited them and read

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Speaker 1: them now, I'd be like, oh, this is like what

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Speaker 1: my entire imagination is built out of it, like fabric

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Speaker 5: They, you know, not like you cut yours against the cars.

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Speaker 8: And they started moving with that. Times they would make

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Speaker 7: You see, I know too much? Yeah, I felt. I felt.

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Speaker 10: Because again, all of our presidential elections come down to

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Speaker 10: underrating how much this election is going to come down to,

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Speaker 10: how much those third parties peel away because these are

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I guess it's just we don't know which

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Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean he's like,

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Speaker 5: that break down? Because already you're seeing people already begin

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Speaker 1: But yeah, this would not be unprecedented, Like a lot

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Speaker 1: of people think that. Bill Clinton, the reason that he

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Speaker 10: So Clinton won with forty three percent of the vote. Yeah,

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Speaker 10: like that changed the course of American history. He won

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Speaker 10: with forty three percent. But of the three, you know,

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Speaker 1: So RFK junior junior, Oh shit, that changes. It was

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Speaker 5: I thought RFK came back because that would be fucking

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Speaker 10: Like for the listeners who are not sports fans, Aaron

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and and then his O line is all secret service.

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Speaker 1: They he would have to be forced to recuse himself

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Speaker 5: He's like he's like, oh yeah, dude, I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: People who are really successful in one place just gain

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Speaker 2: Who could throw a tighter spiral?

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Speaker 1: Tighter spiral?

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Speaker 5: God, Although I feel like we're fucking that. I feel

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Speaker 5: like we're headed there, like the White House is going

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Speaker 5: to be Like just so you guys know, should like

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Speaker 5: shout out at Joe Biden on TikTok for fucking launching

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Speaker 2: Folks, he's doing it. You don't trust as America.

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Speaker 1: I mean they have like talked about doing like push

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Speaker 1: that far off. What is something you think is overrated?

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Speaker 7: Period? Tracker apps M Now, I just want people to

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Speaker 1: Know it's weird, because I have my reason.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well you know it's weird. It's weird to put

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Speaker 7: your blood day in a machine, and two like, is

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Speaker 5: No, I remember that was like an actual people were

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Speaker 5: And I'm like and maybe Apple and a few other

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Speaker 7: The more advanced my phone gets, the more I know

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Speaker 7: you guys are gonna have to go.

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Speaker 5: Don't need this, You do not need this information.

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Speaker 7: Don't need this anymore. Just throw you just I'm just

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Speaker 2: I never googled that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, it's true though, like the

443
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Speaker 5: things that were, like the information that we give our phones,

444
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 5: it's like becoming. It's like it's truly becoming like a

445
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,639
Speaker 5: like a miniature medical clinic. It's like because you can

446
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Speaker 5: be like I get your blood sugar in there, your

447
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,359
Speaker 5: blood pressure, and I get that. It's convenient, especially if

448
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,399
Speaker 5: those are things that you have to track. But it

449
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Speaker 5: does feel like there was a point where I'm like,

450
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Speaker 5: the phones are doing just enough for what they need

451
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Speaker 5: to do, you know, without.

452
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Speaker 7: It getting.

453
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

454
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Speaker 5: Yeah, because because now your apples like why are you

455
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Speaker 5: so stressed out ful?

456
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Speaker 2: And I'm like, yo, what.

457
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Speaker 1: You stand up?

458
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 2: Yeah? Once you stand up lazy as.

459
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Speaker 7: Your AI is trying to pretend to be dumber than you,

460
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Speaker 7: you know.

461
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Speaker 5: Scar, Yeah exactly, They're like, oh, why you had some

462
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Speaker 5: party right now?

463
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Speaker 11: It sounds real loud man. Yeah, yeah, volumes up too

464
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Speaker 11: high just in general around. Yeah, you need to go

465
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Speaker 11: somewhere quiet and stand, not sit. Wake you up in

466
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Speaker 11: the middle of the night.

467
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Speaker 2: Get up.

468
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Speaker 7: Yeah, we found you a nice suburban home in Kansas City.

469
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Speaker 1: Gwyneth, have you have you tried her products?

470
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Speaker 2: They're really great?

471
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Speaker 5: Really what I never asked, Well, you just seem like

472
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Speaker 5: you'd use it based on all these biometric readings you've

473
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Speaker 5: given us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a wild how far we've come, not in

475
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Speaker 1: a good way. But as mentioned recently, I just watched

476
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Speaker 1: the movie BlackBerry that's about the rise and fall the

477
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Speaker 1: email phone thing, and uh like one of the big

478
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Speaker 1: scenes is them realizing they're about to be destroyed by

479
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Speaker 1: the iPhone, and they show the the press conference where

480
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Speaker 1: Steve Job announced iPhone and he's just like, it's a phone,

481
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Speaker 1: it's an iPod and it's in the same device, and

482
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Speaker 1: like that's it, Like right, you know, it's just like

483
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Speaker 1: such a simple thing. And from there we've gone to

484
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Speaker 1: like it knows you are insides.

485
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it's given you an alert.

486
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Speaker 1: It knows who you have a crush on because it

487
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Speaker 1: can read your body meter.

488
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Speaker 5: Right, it's like maybe you should think about who you're

489
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Speaker 5: voting for for president. Also, it's time to move your

490
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Speaker 5: bowels and you're.

491
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Speaker 2: Like, hell, how right?

492
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Speaker 1: How we just seems like you might be lying. Your

493
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Speaker 1: blood pressure just spike.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, don't need that, don't need that, don't need like

495
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Speaker 5: cop pseudoscience built into a phone, right.

496
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Speaker 1: Right, all right, let's take a let's take a quick break.

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Speaker 1: We'll come back and talk about the future. AI We'll

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Speaker 1: be right back, and we're back. We're and I mean,

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Speaker 1: we we've talked about copaganda. It's kind of it's like

500
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Speaker 1: describing water to a fish a little bit. In the

501
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Speaker 1: United States, especially if you grew up in like the

502
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Speaker 1: eighties and nineties, just so many TV shows, so many

503
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Speaker 1: movies are fucking copaghanda like the cop like that is

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Speaker 1: like a default that oh yeah, well, the protagonist of

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Speaker 1: this is gonna be a cop. But Miles, he found

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Speaker 1: a study from twenty twenty.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of analysis because you know, I think

508
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Speaker 5: in twenty twenties when people started to being like, what

509
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Speaker 5: the what the fuck are our shows saying about the police?

510
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Speaker 5: And at that time, you know, the study show that

511
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Speaker 5: like almost nearly twenty percent of scripted TV was about cops,

512
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Speaker 5: and that didn't even include shit like live PD or

513
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Speaker 5: cops and not like the reality end of the spectrum.

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Speaker 5: And then another subsequent study took like study nine of

515
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Speaker 5: these scripted police shows. They found wow, this and this

516
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Speaker 5: will blow you away. Those writers' rooms zero black people

517
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Speaker 5: show runners, zero black show runners, and the kinds of

518
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Speaker 5: people that were in those writers' room were like posting

519
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Speaker 5: shit on Twitter about lighting up protesters. And then even

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Speaker 5: Dick Wolf or I think it was Dick Wolf had

521
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Speaker 5: to be like, hey man, I'm sorry, bro, you're gonna

522
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Speaker 5: you're gonna have to fucking bounce on this show because

523
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 5: you kind of too out there with your opinion about

524
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Speaker 5: how you see people in the streets. But hey man,

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Speaker 5: thank you so much for your work completely obscuring what

526
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Speaker 5: police do in our society. So yeah, I mean, like you,

527
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Speaker 5: just the menu of shows is staggering, like the number

528
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Speaker 5: of ways you can sort of interact or intersect with

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Speaker 5: some kind of narrative where it's like and the police,

530
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Speaker 5: you know, they're just complicated folks doing their best, you know,

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Speaker 5: so let's not go too hard on them. Let's not

532
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Speaker 5: go too hard.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and it don't even be just the police show.

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Speaker 8: The police shows, to me, the ones that are more

535
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Speaker 8: blatantly obvious like this is a police show are actually

536
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Speaker 8: easier to deal with because at least I don't have

537
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Speaker 8: to try to convince you why that's coropaganda. You could

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Speaker 8: see that, but it's baked into all the other things.

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Speaker 8: Like I was watching the Chippendale, the Chippendale Rescue Rangers movie,

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Speaker 8: which if you first of all, I'd never even really

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Speaker 8: dawned on me. The Chipendales themselves, right, like they're little

542
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Speaker 8: police of their woodland, of their woodland world. But in

543
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Speaker 8: the Chipendale live action movie, the whole thing is that

544
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Speaker 8: they're working with their taking on the mission for the

545
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Speaker 8: police because the police are being held up by all

546
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Speaker 8: these Fourth Amendment protections. They're like, oh, the police can't

547
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Speaker 8: do the jobs that the police go to the chipmunks

548
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Speaker 8: that have the chipmunks do it because all of these

549
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Speaker 8: constitential protections and rights he's supposed to have in the way.

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Speaker 8: That's the whole I'm like sitting there watching it, like,

551
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Speaker 8: ain't that the pitch look at this?

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Speaker 1: Or I was watching a new one, the one, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the new one.

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Speaker 9: The live action, Go watch it.

555
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Speaker 7: It's crazy.

556
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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's what happens in the live action or even

557
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Speaker 8: if you look at me and my boyfriend talk about

558
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Speaker 8: this a lot because he's a he loves Spider Man

559
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Speaker 8: and the Spider Verse. And I went on and watched

560
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Speaker 8: the second one and I was I went with my

561
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Speaker 8: friend alex Elo all overruled on TikTok who's also a

562
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Speaker 8: PD and he he we were just.

563
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Speaker 7: Both like, what is this?

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Speaker 8: So Spider Man is like they have it and specifically

565
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Speaker 8: Spider Man would otherwise stringing all Over the place, but

566
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Speaker 8: suddenly he needs to take the subway just so he

567
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Speaker 8: could stop and you could see the subway station stops

568
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Speaker 8: for which areas in Brooklyn, which black dabuds they would

569
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Speaker 8: choose in, and just having him fight crime there and

570
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Speaker 8: then leave.

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Speaker 9: Go back on me. I'm like, look at this ship,

572
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 9: look at it.

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Speaker 2: Look at it? Is that?

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Speaker 1: That's the second one, the Tom Hollands. Yeah, the second

575
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Speaker 1: Holland one.

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Speaker 8: No, no, the Spider Verse. No Black Spider Man.

577
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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 8: Relentless NYPD promo. The amount of NYPD cars in that

579
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Speaker 8: in that Spider Verse is crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was watching Zootopia with my kids recently, Like that

582
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Speaker 1: is wild copaganda. Just yeah, Like the protagonist just all

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Speaker 1: she wants to do for her whole life is be

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Speaker 1: a cop, even though people don't think she can be

585
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Speaker 1: because she's too small, and then she Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: it's just like every eighties crime movie, like partners with

587
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Speaker 1: like a wily criminal and then they like kind of,

588
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Speaker 1: you know, figures it out. But like Zootopia, I would

589
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have even really thought about it that much

590
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: until you watch it. Paw Patrol we've talked about on

591
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Speaker 1: the show. Absolutely cop again the worst.

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Speaker 8: Those those to me, those kinds of shows and stuff

593
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Speaker 8: are the worst because especially when people like the like

594
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 8: people will think it's not copaganda if they like a

595
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 8: character or something, or if they if they like it right.

596
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 8: That's the thing with Spider Man. I'm like, that's what

597
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 8: makes it bad. Like all the other things bad copaganda,

598
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 8: is that it's effective that all the other things you

599
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Speaker 8: like about it. This animation is amazing that they gave

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Speaker 8: you a black kid. You know, it's not lost upon

601
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Speaker 8: me that they gave you a black Spider Man. And

602
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 8: they said his dog, his daddy's gonna be NYBD, his

603
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 8: best friend's daddy gonna be NYBD. We gonna have invite,

604
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 8: Like that's what it is. And so yeah, those men

605
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 8: are more harmful than even the cop shows. It's when

606
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Speaker 8: you think you're not watching copaganda, because at least you

607
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 8: could go into a cop show, which you're like, Antenna's up.

608
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 8: But if you think you're gonna go watch your cartoon,

609
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 8: you're gonna go watch Lucifer and all these things, and

610
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 8: they find a way to be cops, shoots, even charmed.

611
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 8: Why are the witches? Why are fucking witches and wizards

612
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 8: working with the police. Why do they need the police assistance?

613
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 8: They are working with the police. They had they had

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Speaker 8: what's her name, pru was in a relationship with a cop.

615
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 5: Wow, you know, just for her safety, I guess, or

616
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Speaker 5: not safety.

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Speaker 2: It's very hard to tell you.

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Speaker 5: The one thing too, about Miles Morales, that character his

619
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Speaker 5: dad's name is Jefferson Davis. You're like the President of

620
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 5: the Confederacy. It's just a coincidence, man, his dad Davis.

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Speaker 5: Like this is also throw that in there for our history, buffs.

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Speaker 5: But like I think also too, like I think about

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Speaker 5: like New York Undercover. I think that's when a Dick

624
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Speaker 5: Wolfe's most underrated contributions to copaganda, like the and for

625
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 5: the entire genre, because he took two detectives of color

626
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Speaker 5: and put it's like, hey, for the hip hop generation,

627
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 5: look at this, we got we got the we got

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Speaker 5: it like a Latino detective, a black detective. And we

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Speaker 5: will even cast rappers in the show, you know. And

630
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 5: I remember that disarmed. That was so disarming for me

631
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 5: because I was like, oh shit, like this rappers and

632
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 5: they're okay, cool, this is cool. Oh what are they

633
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 5: trying to do?

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Speaker 2: You know what?

635
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Speaker 5: You know? Because like now, kids that were like raised

636
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 5: on here in NWA and fuck the police or public

637
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 5: enemy are like, well, you know, Detective Williams and Detective

638
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 5: Torre is like they are right.

639
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 8: Though, Yeah, that's how it works in real life, right,

640
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 8: Like that media media is replicating a strategy that they

641
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 8: use in our politics in real life. That's why Eric

642
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 8: Adams is a cop, right. The mayor in New York

643
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 8: City is a cop, the biggest cop, the lover of NYPD.

644
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 8: But that's what makes him so dangerous is because they're

645
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 8: able to advertise. And he calls himself Memory, calls himself

646
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 8: the hip hop mayor. He brings a bunch of rappers around,

647
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Speaker 8: even though he actively criminalizes hip hop music like Declaire

648
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 8: the war, Declaire war on drill music and rap music

649
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 8: like days after he took office.

650
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Speaker 9: But people aren't That's not what they're hearing.

651
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Speaker 8: What they're getting presented to them is a black guy

652
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Speaker 8: putting on airings telling them you know yeah, and that's

653
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Speaker 8: why it's.

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Speaker 5: Bad, right, And he's like, Hey, I'm at the after parties,

655
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Speaker 5: you know what I mean. You see me in the

656
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 5: background celebrating to launch the new Chase credit card.

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Speaker 7: You're like one percent.

658
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Speaker 8: Because it allows people, it affords people of protection, right,

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Speaker 8: because then people get to say, oh, it can't be racist,

660
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Speaker 8: or it can't be a problematic or whatever has to

661
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Speaker 8: you because we have this diverse, this marginalized persons as

662
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 8: the avatar for it, when in reality, that's the whole

663
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 8: thing with systemic systemic institution. Once you put you diversify

664
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Speaker 8: a systemically racist institution, what happens is those diverse members

665
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Speaker 8: have to go even harder about punishing their when people

666
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 8: to prove themselves to that system.

667
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 7: And then ah, yeah, I mean.

668
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Speaker 1: That that point about hit like Dick Wolf taking like

669
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Speaker 1: putting rappers in his show Iced Tea, who was like

670
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Speaker 1: when I was a kid, was at the center of

671
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: a controversy about like having a song about killing cops

672
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: and then the thing he's mainly known for now is

673
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:26,959
Speaker 1: playing a cop on TV.

674
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Speaker 9: And as politics have moved that way too, right.

675
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, it's just capitalism is so insidious like that.

676
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: You know, we talked about capitalism being the singularity that

677
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: everybody was afraid of, where it's like it gets smarter

678
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: and more advanced than any single human mind can conceive of.

679
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: Like that's just if you if you had a million

680
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: years to map out. Okay, So how are we going

681
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: to deal with this swelling from like actual people who

682
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: are struggling, who don't have enough to eat, and who

683
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: are living victimized by police, and they're creating this music

684
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: that really connects with people. Like the idea of like

685
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: taking them and putting them in the most powerful copaganda

686
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: like is so insidious, But it's not. It's not a

687
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: thing that like any one mastermind had to come up with.

688
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,479
Speaker 1: It's just like the forces of capitalism and the media

689
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: just like kind of put that shit together.

690
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 7: You know exactly.

691
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 8: And it's funny should bring up Iced Tea because it

692
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 8: was Iced Tea that actually declared Eric Adams the hip

693
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Speaker 8: hop mayor of New York City.

694
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Speaker 7: I mean, it's my first episode on my show.

695
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Speaker 5: I think a lot of people like because we've talked

696
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 5: about on the show, we've had you, while, we've had

697
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 5: we've you know, had Alec Rrick Sanas on and talking

698
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 5: about these issues, I think a lot of people are

699
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 5: pretty well like they they're able to recognize like the

700
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:55,239
Speaker 5: cop of the copaganda element pretty well. But another thing

701
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 5: that I hear you talk about in many others is

702
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 5: it's not just the cop part, it's.

703
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 2: Also the praganda as well.

704
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, Like coropaganda isn't just about when people hear it,

705
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 8: they think of it as just police, but it's what

706
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 8: it is. Coropaganda refers to anyway like the media tries

707
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 8: to feed you or indocrinate you into supporting policing or

708
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 8: or prisons in policing.

709
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 7: That's what it is.

710
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 8: Anything that essentially essentially reiterates a cops narrative, what a

711
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 8: cop would want you to think about of a situation.

712
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 8: So it's like they want People will say, they're like,

713
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 8: you'll tell them lawn artists copaganda, and they'll act like

714
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 8: it's not because it shows Stabler doing legal things. And

715
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 8: it's like, that's the fucking point. You love Stabler, It

716
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 8: shouldn't you you it gives it feeds you a show

717
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 8: where you love him.

718
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 9: You watch him, you you.

719
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 8: Recognize why this character does this, and you see it

720
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 8: as necessary or you come to to see it as normal.

721
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 8: There's a reason why if you watch if you watch

722
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 8: shows all the time, you're you're and law and order

723
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 8: is is the influences, uh cannot be understated. But so

724
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 8: if you take a law and order if you watch

725
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 8: for for years, it become a normal part of policing

726
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 8: that the.

727
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 7: Police you love, who you believe are justin.

728
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 8: Are trying, they want to do the right thing, and

729
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 8: their intentions are so good, and you watch them regularly

730
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 8: be aggressive or beat up people. As a reason why

731
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 8: police brutality is the narrative of police brutality is only

732
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 8: ever when someone dies, but never just the regular aggression

733
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 8: and abuse that we see as a regular part of policing,

734
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 8: no one thinks anything about you. You see police roughing

735
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 8: people up, and you don't think of that as brutality

736
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 8: or illicit.

737
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 9: You think of that as that's policing, and that's normal

738
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 9: to you.

739
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, can you talk to just a little bit too,

740
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 5: because I think the one part that I wasn't always

741
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 5: wrapping my head around was how like the prosecution element

742
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 5: of it works because while the police are the people

743
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 5: on the street, this harmful system, it continues through the

744
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 5: actual like judicial system and things like that. And I

745
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 5: think that's another part that like when you watch a

746
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 5: law and order you're like, oh, okay, so like they

747
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 5: get mad when like they take a plea deal. They're like, oh,

748
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 5: he got away because like he pled out. It's like, oh,

749
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 5: it's a loophole that these people are like, you know,

750
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 5: acting being able to abuse or whatever.

751
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:53,919
Speaker 1: But came ohout.

752
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 8: Prosecutors love plea deals more than anybody else. Like they're

753
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 8: the ones, like they they want plea deal. They're the

754
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 8: ones they weaponize plea deals and cash bail in order

755
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 8: to get convictions that they otherwise wouldn't get.

756
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 7: They're the ones that do that.

757
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 8: So whatever, what often happens in the criminal system is

758
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 8: police someone someone will be arrested, take for example, like

759
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 8: a homeless person or someone with mental health issues who

760
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 8: has a long rap sheet, because that's what the media

761
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 8: likes to sensationalize. What happens how they end up with

762
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 8: that long rap sheet is say, they'll arrest somebody for something,

763
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 8: something petty that shouldn't even be criminal or whatever. They'll

764
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 8: arrest a homeless person because they can. And then what

765
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 8: will happen Even though this case would if this, if

766
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 8: this were a case against me or you, the case

767
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 8: would end up being thrown out or resolve some other way,

768
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 8: would not end in a criminal conviction under any circumstances.

769
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 8: But what they'll say to the homeless person or the

770
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 8: person with mental health issues or someone who they know

771
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 8: don't have any resources. They'll say, plead to the charge.

772
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 8: You can plead to the charge and be released now,

773
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 8: or you'll set cash bail on you and you have

774
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 8: to go to Rikers while this case is open. You know,

775
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 8: so someone wanting to go to Rikers for e period

776
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 8: of time, they will plead to the charge, so they'll

777
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 8: take the and then that keeps happening, and now they

778
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 8: have this long criminal sheet that could be weapon against them.

779
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 8: But what happens what coppaganda when it comes to prosecutors is,

780
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 8: first of all, a thing America loves to do in

781
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 8: general is America likes to discard parts so it can.

782
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 7: Preserve the whole.

783
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 8: It will curtis America will allow you to criticize police,

784
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 8: or it will feed you a narrative about private prison

785
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 8: so that you don't criticize prisons in general overall, or

786
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 8: you don't criticize the criminal system overall. So police are

787
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 8: who the narrative gets rested on. You know, they never

788
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 8: let it get past police, so people go, oh, police

789
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 8: are bad. Police do this, Police do these things, but

790
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 8: they never recognize that it's the prosecutors who have to

791
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 8: carry that out right. So, and also how copaganda I

792
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 8: think really is really really probably one of the most

793
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 8: harmful things it does is it encourages people to talk

794
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 8: to the police throughout across all mediums of copaganda, all

795
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 8: the different top shows or shows that are not even

796
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 8: about cops, and they just happen to have that kind

797
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 8: of scene it they always have where people are faced

798
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 8: with the stillm of talking to the police. Talking to

799
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 8: the police, they're negotiating with the police about their case.

800
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 8: In real life, the police don't have shit to do

801
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 8: but your case. Police make the arrest, and then you're

802
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 8: dealing with a prosecutor and a criminal system. The police

803
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 8: will just be witnesses at most in the case. They

804
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 8: have nothing to do with what would deal you end

805
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 8: up with or what you even get charged with.

806
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 5: But the shows are always like, hey man, you talk

807
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 5: to me, you know, you come you come clean to me.

808
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 5: I'll make sure, I'll make sure this isn't messy for you,

809
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 5: just for.

810
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 12: A lawyer and pa right well, and also you also

811
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 12: fed this thing too, Like if you watch shows like

812
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 12: Dateline and stuff that are about like you know, like

813
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 12: murder cases and things like that, the detectives will always

814
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 12: be like the second they asked for a lawyer, I

815
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 12: knew they were guilty, you know what I mean.

816
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 5: And it also feeds this thing to to sort of

817
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 5: like you know, create the subtext and like actually exercising

818
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 5: your rights makes you more suspicious and maybe you are

819
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 5: actually because why wouldn't all the or all the.

820
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 9: True crime And you know what I think is so funny.

821
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 8: Every every true crime you go and watch is about

822
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 8: some case where the police fail to do ship right,

823
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 8: like every single one, and that's somehow, yes, but they

824
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 8: will still somehow and what is very obviously policing failure.

825
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 9: The whole thing is about policing failure. The argument will

826
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 9: be how the.

827
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 8: Police like they their arms were tied by some bullshit

828
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 8: that their arms were not tied by by Oh they

829
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 8: didn't have this, they didn't have that, and it will

830
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 8: become this like indictment of the defense. So people have

831
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 8: been rights so or blah blah blah, rather than the

832
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 8: fact that the fucking police don't do shit right.

833
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

834
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, the law and order thing is so insidious, like

835
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: you just you don't get to follow a single criminal

836
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: prosecution anywhere else, like from arrest through trial and like

837
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: it really feels like, you know, the thing we know

838
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: about Hollywood is like they they like an underdog story.

839
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: There's this massive like machine that is swallowing up innocent

840
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: people and just making them disappear from their everyday lives.

841
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 1: And we never really see like how that machine actually works.

842
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 8: It's just Yeah, A big, a big aspect of corpaganda

843
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 8: that got talked about in all these shows is the investigation,

844
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 8: because in real life there is none, Like, there is none.

845
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 7: There is no fucking investigation.

846
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 8: All these shows show you police just fucking beating their

847
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 8: heads in trying to get to the bottom of something.

848
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 9: Police don't solve no fucking crime. What happens in real life.

849
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 8: Is someone accused of something of something, the police arrests

850
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 8: them and what they knew at arrangments is the case

851
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 8: with the information you got, Like, they don't go trying

852
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 8: to figure something out. No one is on a quest

853
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 8: to get to the bottom of it. Also, another thing

854
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 8: klapaganda does is it makes defense. It reinforces this idea

855
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 8: that the only people who are deserving of representation or

856
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 8: can be victims in a criminal system, or who are

857
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 8: innocent or what have you, right because they'll always have

858
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 8: defense attorneys. They'll paint defense attorneys. Is these people who

859
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,959
Speaker 8: believe their clients are innocent or who are either stum

860
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 8: who know that they're representing these bad, terrible, evil people

861
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 8: they're getting out and they're rich for doing it, or

862
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 8: they're naive and think that they're innocent and they're on

863
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 8: a quest to find out that their client is innocent,

864
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 8: to confirm that their client is innocent, or otherwise they

865
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 8: can represent them. I just watched Tyler Perry a movie.

866
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 8: Oh Jesus, Tyler Perry. I just watched the Tyler Perry

867
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 8: movie just the other night where he had it where

868
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 8: this defense attorney is supposed to be representing this guy

869
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 8: accused the murder, and all she's spending her time trying

870
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 8: to do is trying to like undermine the story, trying

871
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 8: to find out whether or not he's he's innocent, And

872
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 8: then once she thinks he's guilty, she quits, what the fuck?

873
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 8: That don't have nothing to do with the praise of

874
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 8: Tea in China, Like you have to represent him?

875
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 9: Like what are we doing?

876
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 7: Like that?

877
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 9: That has nothing to do with nothing, But that's how

878
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 9: it paints it to you.

879
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 8: So the defense are automatically made up to be bad

880
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 8: people on the side of bad or otherwise, if they

881
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 8: weren't on the side of bad, if they would, if

882
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 8: these were people who deserved, they would be washing their

883
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 8: hands in this case, or they would what they love

884
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 8: to do in copaganda's have a defense attorney quit and

885
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 8: become a prosecutor.

886
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 2: They love that.

887
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 5: But that's gonna say the light light after this.

888
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 9: They did that in Lucifer.

889
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 8: They actually had They and Lucifer a show about the devil,

890
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 8: about Satan Satan. They have Satan himself come to earth

891
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 8: and the only way for Satan to reconcile him himself

892
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 8: with God is to work with la PD and the

893
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 8: worst person he comes into contact with, they say, is

894
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 8: the defense attorney, who in order for her to make

895
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 8: it to heaven, she had to become a prosecutor.

896
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: Is that real?

897
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 9: That's what the fuck happened in that show.

898
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 2: Wow.

899
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 8: Imagine you're me thinking you're gonna go and watch a nice,

900
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 8: wholesome show about the devil and you get nothing but copaganda.

901
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 1: It's like wow.

902
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 5: Even here, it's like, well, why are the LAPD the

903
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 5: arbiters of who gets into okay whatever.

904
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 8: Get all the fucking lapd In the show of Corrupt,

905
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 8: they have like really like corrupt, but somehow that's not

906
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 8: the problem they had like the wife of the man

907
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 8: cop that he works with, the husband of the man

908
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 8: cop that.

909
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 7: He works with.

910
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 8: Ex husband is a whole crooked cop doing all kinds

911
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 8: of shit and they have his real moral dilemma to

912
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 8: be like when he's dating the prosecutor, I say, ain't

913
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 8: this about a bitch?

914
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: Right?

915
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 5: It's it's just wild, like how the effects of the

916
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 5: the you know, obviously copaganda helps is like pr for

917
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 5: the legal system and police and things like that, and

918
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 5: helps support like the biggest myths we have, Like so

919
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 5: you know, it's completely just dead's our ability to think

920
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 5: critically because if you go like like I wonder, man,

921
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 5: are police are they a threat to marginalize communities? You're like, no, no, no, man,

922
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 5: because I've seen TV and most of them are just good,

923
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 5: and you know, some of them are just going through

924
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 5: stuff like the characters on the on the shows, or

925
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 5: what if can they do like more with less money?

926
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 5: It's like, well, no, absolutely not, because they're the only

927
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 5: thing that keeps us in our society from fully devolving

928
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 5: into the purge and then on the other side too,

929
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 5: it completely we have no idea actually how the legal

930
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 5: system works, So if you actually begin to interact with it,

931
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 5: you're like, well, based on what I've seen, I don't

932
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 5: I don't know if I have rights or maybe I

933
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 5: should talk to the police, or do I go to trial?

934
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 5: Because you don't you also don't see the part about

935
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 5: how coercive, like the whole plea deal thing is in

936
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 5: real life, where they're like, hey, man, if you actually

937
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 5: look if you go to trial, like you're looking at

938
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,919
Speaker 5: twenty five to life, but or they make.

939
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 8: It feel like that's what good aggressive policing is, right,

940
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 8: like when Stabler and these people are blowing down on

941
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 8: these people and being real aggressive and confrontationalless to those

942
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 8: on the shows, they act like that's what's needed. That's

943
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 8: that's what tough on crime is, right, Like tough on

944
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 8: crime as a whole concept. Law and order, which Republicans

945
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 8: speak all the time long art is an actual term

946
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 8: they use twenty four to seven. So it's like a

947
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 8: coincidence like what law and order is and what that is,

948
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 8: like it's it's a direct correlation.

949
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, And just going back to the true crime point,

950
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: like we find you find out these staggering lapses and

951
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: police werek Like we talked about that serial killer in

952
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: Long Island who was on the loose for like a decade,

953
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,919
Speaker 1: and they had a description of his like extremely rare

954
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: car from like one of his first crimes, and it

955
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: was like he lived like blocks away from it. And

956
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 1: they knew this the whole time. They just like didn't

957
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: chase it down. Like it's just they don't because it

958
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: was a while. Yeah, they don't give a fuck and.

959
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 8: They don't, like they literally don't give a fuck, Like

960
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 8: it's funny, Like people who so believe in policing and

961
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 8: believe police solve crime don't be the people who have

962
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 8: experienced having to try to you ask the police to

963
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 8: solve a fucking crime, like you've obviously never called the

964
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 8: police if you believe the day solved shit, Like you.

965
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 9: Know what happened.

966
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 8: So when I when I like a year ago, my

967
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 8: TV got stolen, right, I ordered a new TV and

968
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 8: I left it in the hallway, right, And I left

969
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 8: it in the hallway because I was like, oh, I

970
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 8: my guys come in and mounted in the morning. I don't

971
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 8: feel like carrying it up the stairs, wrong decision the

972
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 8: minute I left to go to the gym. Clearly some

973
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 8: girl who live in my building told her boyfriend to

974
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 8: come jack this TV. It's very clear to me that

975
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 8: this was happened. And I know this because I have proof.

976
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 9: Now.

977
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 8: Anyhow, I'm not the ops and I'm a defense attorney,

978
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,479
Speaker 8: so I have no interest whatever. You lost a TV

979
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 8: like they took to TV Amazon and replaced that for me,

980
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,479
Speaker 8: I have no interest in getting I don't care nothing

981
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 8: about nothing. But what I think is interesting is that

982
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 8: even if I did want them to go to jail,

983
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 8: let me take you out.

984
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 9: The police don't give a fuck about nothing.

985
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 8: Right Because Amazon, I go to Amazon to put in

986
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 8: that I need a new TV because my TV was shacked.

987
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 8: Amazon goes, Oh, you'd have to you have watch out

988
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 8: the police state works, right. Amazon goes, you have to

989
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 8: file a police report in order to get the for

990
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 8: us to give you a replacement. Right, so you gotta

991
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 8: call the police. My I ain't laning lord. I tell

992
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 8: my landlord my TV was stolen. My landlord goes and

993
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 8: gets the security footage and shows me the guys stealing

994
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 8: my TV. Like, oh, seamless too. It was excellent. I

995
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 8: couldn't even mean I was excellent.

996
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:12,919
Speaker 9: It was very clear.

997
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 8: They had their eyes on that TV all day. The

998
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 8: minute I left that building, someone texted them.

999
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 9: They buzzed. They came in but their face masks COVID protection.

1000
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 8: They came in with their face masks, and they literally

1001
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 8: they picked up the TV like walk right out the door.

1002
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 9: You can see them.

1003
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 8: You can fully see the people. The Beliics ain't even ask.

1004
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 8: They don't give a fuck. They were like, they know

1005
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 8: I have a video. They were like, yeah, so anyway,

1006
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 8: that's what you needed, right something, didn't ask, didn't didn't

1007
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 8: get the video. They were like, real, right that you

1008
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 8: had a video, didn't look at it, didn't look at it.

1009
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 8: Didn't ask me to be sent nothing. The other day,

1010
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 8: there were two little girls. I was walking in my

1011
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 8: neighborhood and there were two little girls running, a seven

1012
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 8: year old and a four year old running through the street,

1013
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 8: and I'm like, what the fuck, where are their parents

1014
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 8: and stuff? So and then I see them run to

1015
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 8: this white lady, and me and this white lady end

1016
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 8: up going on and spending the quest the rest of

1017
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 8: the evening trying to where these little girls came from.

1018
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 7: Right.

1019
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 8: One is seven and one is four. The seven year

1020
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 8: old's badass was in on it. The seven year old

1021
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 8: snuck them out of the like when the people at

1022
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 8: the day care, and I'd figured her out at the daycare,

1023
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 8: turned their back. She took the little four year old

1024
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 8: and she went running. She wanted to go to her

1025
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 8: little friend's house. And she don't know where she's going.

1026
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 8: She is seven, but she's not trying to go back,

1027
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 8: so she won't help us. So she's like actively leading

1028
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 8: us in the wrong direction. Spend hours a little four

1029
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 8: year olds who did it? Anyway? When I finally get

1030
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 8: these little girls back to the house as the police

1031
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 8: are coming outside to us, they're fen police inside the

1032
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 8: house just looking at these people for hours, like I

1033
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 8: don't know where the kids is or whatever.

1034
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 9: Hadn't gone searching around the neighborhood. Nothing right. I returned

1035
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 9: to kids.

1036
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 8: They did not even They didn't take my name, they

1037
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 8: didn't talk to me. They didn't make it not a statement,

1038
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 8: not a check for how the fuck did they know?

1039
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 9: I didn't snap the I didn't like take those little girls.

1040
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 8: They didn't know that anywhere they'd come from, if something

1041
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 8: had happened to them, how they know.

1042
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 9: They don't know that, but they ain't checked because they ship.

1043
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, it could be a lot of work if we

1044
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 5: have to look into this.

1045
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna say, all right, cool, thanks.

1046
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,720
Speaker 9: Uh literally, I promise you. Literally.

1047
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 8: I had to like volunteer, like like trying to tell them, like, hey,

1048
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 8: this is what happened.

1049
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 7: Is weird.

1050
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 9: This one was that I did not give them.

1051
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 7: It was just looking.

1052
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 9: They had been in the house for hours, just looking

1053
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 9: at them brothers cry like just like this.

1054
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 8: They weren't even like outside, like they weren't controlling the

1055
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 8: neighborhood or anything.

1056
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 9: They were just more and I'm coming just looking house

1057
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 9: like I don't know where the.

1058
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: Kids are, got some more of this food.

1059
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 8: Like we were walking around the same neighborhood in broad

1060
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 8: day like to like falling.

1061
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: Look all right, let's uh, let's take a quick break.

1062
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: We'll come back and talk about some more of how

1063
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: this ship works. We'll be right back, and we're back

1064
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: and justin Timberlake making a comeback. That that's a phrase

1065
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: that we've never heard befo right, just every five years.

1066
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: I feel like I was just I wanted to, you know,

1067
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring this to everybody today on the show,

1068
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: because so like a few nights ago, right, he performed

1069
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: at the Wiltern in LA to roll out his new album,

1070
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: and it gets it turned into like a mini and

1071
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: Sync reunion, and some people were like, Wow, that is

1072
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: so cool. That is really smart. That is how to

1073
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: get people interested in the album. But part of me

1074
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: is like, I wonder if the reunion is a way

1075
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: to get people to remember the Justin Timberlake that people

1076
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: were like less annoyed by, because in the last few years, right,

1077
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: I feel like his reputation has like faded, like as

1078
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: he like more people were talking critically about like he's like, yeah, man,

1079
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: you threw Janet Jackson straight under the bus, Like what

1080
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: the fuck was that about, Justin?

1081
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: Or what was going on?

1082
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 5: Like you and Britney Spears like you kind of you

1083
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 5: kind of come off as like an asshole and his

1084
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 5: like response wasn't that great? Or other times you being

1085
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 5: like you sure love black culture, but you didn't really

1086
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 5: say much. In twenty twenty, Justin are are you there?

1087
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 5: And like I think he's recent SNL performance with the

1088
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 5: Gospel choir like that definitely also got mixed attention. So

1089
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 5: I'm like I liked the Justified album of two thousand

1090
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 5: and two, sure the subsequent records not so much. But

1091
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 5: I'm also not his target audience. But like after a

1092
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 5: future sex Love Sounds, the twenty twenty experience and then

1093
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 5: Man in the In the in the Wooded Plane or

1094
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 5: whatever that album was, where he's wearing a faster shit

1095
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 5: in jeans, people just like started to care less and less.

1096
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 5: So like personally, I'm wondering for Justin. Timberlake is like

1097
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 5: the n SYNC reunion, his version of smashing the button

1098
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 5: that says do not break glass unless in case of

1099
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 5: emergency to be like shit, bro, like I need to

1100
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 5: fucking get a like a jet fuel injection into my relevance.

1101
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 5: Let me bring like, let me bring and sync back

1102
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 5: because it's something he was very reluctant to do in

1103
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 5: the past. But I think maybe deep down he knew

1104
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 5: was something that could be potent. So then I'm like

1105
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 5: wondering if by embracing his clean cut ramen hair past,

1106
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 5: he can try and get people to remember why they

1107
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 5: liked him when they were thirteen. And that's that's what

1108
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 5: I bring to the two of you, is what it like,

1109
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 5: Because I don't I just don't. I don't think that

1110
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 5: he has the same amount of pull that he used

1111
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 5: to when people are like, oh my god, Justin Temple

1112
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 5: Lake's back, just like like every subsequent Justin Temple Lakes.

1113
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 2: Back has just been met with Yeah right, yeah, I guess.

1114
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 5: And is it more a function that like he peaked

1115
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 5: during a time where we weren't having like really honest

1116
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 5: conversations about like sexism, racism, appropriation and he's just a

1117
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 5: weird fit in like how we view all these topics

1118
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 5: now in this current era. Or is he just washed

1119
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 5: and I'm thinking too much.

1120
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: It feels like if they're like this one could go

1121
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: either way. If there's like a bunch of great songs

1122
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 1: on the album that people respond to, then they'll find

1123
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,919
Speaker 1: a way to get over all that other stuff. Maybe,

1124
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: But maybe all that other stuff and like that there

1125
00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: just might not be like maybe all that combined to

1126
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: make to make whatever he's putting out there just not

1127
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: not resonate with people, you know, right, I don't know

1128
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: the Man of the Woods, Like I'll just say that

1129
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 1: Man of the Woods was not an album that no

1130
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: thought was put into. I'm sure like an entire you know,

1131
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: Ivy League universities, graduating class worth of like marketing minds

1132
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: and like songwriters and all that shit. Like put We're

1133
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: working around the clock on that shit, you know, to

1134
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: try and make it as successful as humanly possible, and

1135
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: it just fucking flatlined. You know, just belly flopped into

1136
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: that pond in the middle of the woods that he

1137
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: was standing in for some reason on the album cover.

1138
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,959
Speaker 5: Because it felt like like his like right word turn.

1139
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 5: But I don't know, Shila Way, what what are your

1140
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 5: thoughts on the the psych that the Timberlake cycles that

1141
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 5: we experience in popular culture.

1142
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 7: I think it's back to it goes back to taste.

1143
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 7: Does Justin Timberlake and his team have their pulse on

1144
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 7: the the you know, their thumb on the pulse of

1145
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 7: anything that people are interested in or believe in. At

1146
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 7: the moment, I can't remember the last time that a

1147
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 7: Justin Timberlake song hit me and I'm like, yeah, this

1148
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,240
Speaker 7: is a banger in a way that I will forget

1149
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 7: all of his past defenses. You know, I'm still waiting

1150
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 7: for the recovery of Janet Jackson's career. I feel that

1151
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 7: that is owed the world, and I feel very much

1152
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 7: like the you know, the scorched earth of his continued

1153
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 7: Sissphician role back up the Hill is you know what's

1154
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 7: what's due to him for the fact that he destroyed,

1155
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 7: you know, an actual icon. So I you know, I

1156
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 7: justin I need to be married to a dutch Man.

1157
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 7: And what Justin Timberlake reminds me of each time he

1158
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 7: rolls himself back out is how how hard my ex

1159
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 7: would try every time we went to a family barbecue

1160
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 7: to pick up the steps to the electric slide. And

1161
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 7: when he he felt like he was getting it, you know,

1162
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 7: it would show all over his face like he really

1163
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 7: he felt like he was in this time. And each

1164
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 7: time we were just you know, doing our best to

1165
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,760
Speaker 7: just like you know, clap him, clap our hands and

1166
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 7: and parade him out and you know, like and make

1167
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 7: you feel good about himself.

1168
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 2: We love that for you.

1169
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: That's just like a child their first like pedal baby steps.

1170
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 13: You know you're still like, yeah, you know, but if

1171
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 13: we don't live there anymore like that, you know, that

1172
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 13: was that was something that we were all doing in

1173
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 13: our twenties that just we've all gotten over.

1174
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 5: Like yeah right, yeah, I mean that is the thing,

1175
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 5: like I just feel like over the years that just

1176
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 5: like the not like every time people look back, you're like.

1177
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, you fucking did. Janet's so fucking.

1178
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 5: Dirty like that, you're like that, Like I just remember

1179
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 5: that was like early on in our show, and I

1180
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 5: remember we're talking about that because I think it was

1181
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 5: when talking about Les Moonvez and like when his all

1182
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 5: his allegations came out, how central he was also to

1183
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 5: being like I'm going to punish the black woman in

1184
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 5: this instance, and and we're riding with Timberlake here and

1185
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 5: then yeah, and even like as like all of the

1186
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 5: attention was came around like Brittany and like all of

1187
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 5: her hardships throughout her career and how justin Timberlake wasn't

1188
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 5: the best partner. Like again, you're like huh. And then again,

1189
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 5: like I said, in twenty twenty, a lot of people

1190
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 5: are like, this fool isn't saying shit about anything. And

1191
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 5: you are out here doing collaborations with black artists, black producers,

1192
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 5: you do it. Your whole R and B style is

1193
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:31,760
Speaker 5: very black culture centered. Yet you're just you're really showing

1194
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 5: yourself as one of these vulture type people who's like YEA,

1195
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 5: all right, well I got what I wanted, and the

1196
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 5: second it's about like having a stance. I'm just gonna

1197
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 5: do my Kirkland signature moonwalk.

1198
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: I was just trying to like get the timeline on

1199
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: in Sink's original like rise. So they came out in

1200
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven in Germany and then nineteen ninety eight internationally,

1201
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: that first album, which just like that takes me back

1202
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: to it time when like that sort of shit only

1203
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: flew in Germany, Like that was that was the thing

1204
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: that was like popular that we were like, yeah, no,

1205
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: that's like corny shit the German people are into. And

1206
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: then they're like our resistances were down, you know, towards

1207
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 1: the end of the Clinton administration, and they're finally let

1208
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 1: it in. And now we've been moving towards German history

1209
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: in a lot of different ways.

1210
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 5: Every Yeah, I wish we could go to Germany in

1211
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety seven rather than Germany nineteen thirty seven.

1212
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 2: I know.

1213
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll see, we'll see how it

1214
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 5: all pans out. But I do like, I like Sheila

1215
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 5: your observation that maybe more than washed or not washed,

1216
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 5: it seems more karmic than anything.

1217
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a look, I.

1218
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 7: Mean, I'm all for a J. C. Schawse comeback. I

1219
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 7: am all for putting things together to put lamps on

1220
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 7: a spaceship, you know, but it's it's the Justin Timberlake

1221
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 7: comeback for me. Then I'm like, well, this is what

1222
00:55:59,000 --> 00:55:59,399
Speaker 7: you get?

1223
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, Justin Well he's doing what he can.

1224
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, right for real.

1225
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: I just feel like I should launch in Women's History month,

1226
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 1: don't you guys think?

1227
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, remember, but I'll do with him sync though,

1228
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 5: so they remember that guy, not the the other dude

1229
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 5: with the murky ship. Just remember me when I wore

1230
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 5: that that matching denim outfit with Brittany. Please, that's me.

1231
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 5: That little boy.

1232
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: Ramen hair is really like truly what what a what

1233
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: a look so evocative.

1234
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 7: I can still hear it, you know, I can still

1235
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 7: hear it crunching underneath. Yeah.

1236
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, he puts a hat on it, like, bro, just

1237
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 5: step on a.

1238
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 2: Bag of chips. No, man, it's my jail. My la

1239
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:54,280
Speaker 2: looks gel that I've been putting in here. Yeah.

1240
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: And finally, Bernie Sanders just introduced a bill proposing that

1241
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: the country adopt a four day work week with that

1242
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 1: loss of pay. That last quote is important. Yeah, And

1243
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 1: I'm assuming something that will immediately be ignored in the

1244
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 1: context of him proposing his bill and presumably in the

1245
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: execution of the bill if if it ever picks up

1246
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: any sort of traction. But the four day work week

1247
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: is something we've been talking about for a while on

1248
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: this show. It is both in line with, you know,

1249
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: better quality of life and also, when it has been

1250
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: tried out, companies do better, their employees are healthier. That

1251
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: it's just more in line with what a company driven

1252
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: by human workers should be doing.

1253
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 14: It turns out, and well, it's like it's one of

1254
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 14: those things too where any ask any person who works

1255
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 14: five days a week, they're like, yeah, would you rather

1256
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 14: work four days a week? I'd imagine conservatively polling on

1257
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 14: that is, I would just say conservative, right, because they're

1258
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 14: two percent people who are.

1259
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 5: Probably just like no, no, no, there's no way I

1260
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 5: can get it all done, because, like, you know, the

1261
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 5: boss was like, hold on, would your life be better

1262
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 5: if you only worked four days a week? The worker money, yeah,

1263
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 5: The workers say oh hell yeah absolutely. But the people

1264
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 5: who are the ones in the c suites, the you know,

1265
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 5: the owners of the businesses, are gonna then seed headlines

1266
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 5: like this in Fox Business that say, Bernie Sanders moves

1267
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 5: to reduce work hours for millions of Americans get the

1268
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 5: fuck out of here. Yeah, I mean, yeah, sure, while

1269
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 5: also giving you way more time to do things that

1270
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 5: maybe will help you have a like more like life

1271
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 5: work balance. That's it's a very it's it's so misleading.

1272
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,439
Speaker 5: But yeah, I just I'm curious how long it would

1273
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 5: take for something like that to really catch like momentum here,

1274
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 5: because you see it being trialed in Europe in Asia,

1275
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 5: and the results, like we've said in past episodes, they

1276
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 5: always it's never like and then that company crashed and burned.

1277
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: More often than not, the companies come out and say,

1278
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: let's keep doing that. That worked out really well for

1279
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: us and our employees. And yeah, I mean, Sanders pointed out,

1280
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: it is like not a radical idea. It just makes

1281
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 1: more sense. People are more productive, happier, don't have to

1282
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: operate within a system literally created by evil, old timey

1283
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: car factory owners.

1284
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1285
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: H Like, it's just a system that we've been going

1286
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 1: with forever because that's where we started, you know, right,

1287
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: It's a win win, right, Yeah.

1288
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 5: No, And like when you think about like, well what

1289
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 5: about efficiency, it's like, people today work at a tick

1290
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 5: that has never been seen in human history. We are

1291
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 5: four American workers are four hundred percent more productive than

1292
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 5: they were in the nineteen forties, when a lot of

1293
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 5: people would say, you know, back at my day, I

1294
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 5: used to go here in the factory and then we

1295
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 5: would you know, do a couple of hate crimes and

1296
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 5: go home or something like that. Now we're we're talking

1297
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 5: about now, we're talking about people doing four hundred percent

1298
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 5: more than that. And it's just like, I don't know, man,

1299
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 5: four days sounds risky, sounds risky, Yeah, hardly.

1300
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: Anybody who works these days is drunk the whole day.

1301
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: That's a huge improvement over a place as recently as

1302
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: like thirty years ago. And if they are drunk the

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Speaker 1: whole day, like that is viewed as a problem that

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Speaker 1: they should deal with and not just like the standard

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Speaker 1: order of doing business.

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Speaker 5: You know, Sheila, what's your what's your like work life

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Speaker 5: balance as a as a writer? You know, intellect like,

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Speaker 5: do you do you have do you give yourself a

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Speaker 5: certain amount of time that you like to be productive?

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Speaker 2: How do you sort of use your time to be productive?

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Speaker 7: I've really unsubscribed from the capitalist framework of working. So

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Speaker 7: much of my work is catered around my dream like

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Speaker 7: my my literal dreams, trying to figure, you know, trying

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Speaker 7: to decipher how to turn my dreams into story that

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Speaker 7: are prophecies of future of our nation. You know, the

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Speaker 7: last time that I worked at an office, what I

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Speaker 7: would really love to see is a poll, really that

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Speaker 7: a totally anonymous pole in which we looked at how

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Speaker 7: much people are actually working within the frame of their

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Speaker 7: work day, if they were supposed to, if they were

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Speaker 7: going to sit down and say, because I just remember

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Speaker 7: how much of the time I was a cat jift,

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Speaker 7: just trying to look busy, just tapping away at a

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Speaker 7: computer for no reason, like I was really working a

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Speaker 7: solid three and a half days out of the week

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Speaker 7: if I was totally honest with how I was spending

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Speaker 7: that time. So if we actually let people have that

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Speaker 7: extra day so that they regained a sense of mental

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Speaker 7: health and agency, they too could go about their world's

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Speaker 7: you know, looking at flowers and you know, coming up

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Speaker 7: with the next great idea. You know, there's just so

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Speaker 7: much more creatively that would come out of us if

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Speaker 7: we had that option.

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Speaker 5: There was there was a super producer Anahosys. She shared

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Speaker 5: a clip with me of James McAvoy on a talk

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Speaker 5: show and he was talking about how there's something about

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Speaker 5: like how fifty percent of like the UK's award recipients

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Speaker 5: went to private schools, like for when it comes to

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Speaker 5: the arts, and he was saying about how the way

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Speaker 5: that the arts are being pulled out of public instruction

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Speaker 5: are is like this very insidious way to keep people

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Speaker 5: like sort of trapped in this mindset that the toil

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Speaker 5: or the turn of capitalism. Now he wasn't using those

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Speaker 5: words exactly, but that that's the only way to live.

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Speaker 5: And without exposure to the arts, you're fundamentally cutting people

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Speaker 5: off from the ability to look at things in a

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Speaker 5: broader context in a way to interpret things with like

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Speaker 5: with deeper meaning. And that is just one way, because

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Speaker 5: we see this, especially in the United States, how the

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Speaker 5: arts are constantly being attacked when it comes to public instruction,

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Speaker 5: and like how important it is for people like I

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Speaker 5: look at my own life, like if my my father

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Speaker 5: is a photographer, so I was just by like just

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Speaker 5: osmosis around more artistic things. And luckily my school had

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Speaker 5: a music program, so I got really into playing music

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Speaker 5: and I feel like so I really do credit so

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Speaker 5: much of that to like me thinking just in general

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Speaker 5: that there's so many other things out there aside from like, well,

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Speaker 5: do you want to be an accountant, do you want

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Speaker 5: to work in a trade? And not that those things

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Speaker 5: are less than but like that, I've merely had the

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Speaker 5: perspective to see many other possibilities, And I thought was

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Speaker 5: a really interesting point about how that sort of affects

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Speaker 5: the youth and sort of what the outcomes are later

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Speaker 5: in life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, the possibility of us being allowed to have ideas

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Speaker 7: is destabilizing, and I think that's more frightening than anything

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Speaker 7: to these big companies.

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Speaker 15: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we saw that when people had more

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Speaker 1: time during the pandemic.

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Speaker 2: Everybody looked around and was like.

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Speaker 1: This is fucking bullshit. But I think it's interesting because

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Speaker 1: your point that we're already working three and a half

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Speaker 1: days a week, Like they have that data at this point, right,

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Speaker 1: like your work laptop, your work computer is loaded with

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Speaker 1: spyware at this point, Like Amazon is tracking their like

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Speaker 1: their employees' bathroom breaks. They know what people are averaging

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Speaker 1: out to. So that actually makes this whole movement and

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Speaker 1: the fact that companies are willing to try out. The

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Speaker 1: four day work week make a little bit more sense

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Speaker 1: to me now because in the past I've been like, wait,

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Speaker 1: why are companies willing to like even entertain this. It's

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Speaker 1: probably because they're like, oh, yeah, well, people don't only

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Speaker 1: work like three and a half days anyways, and so

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Speaker 1: in this way, we actually get four full days out

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Speaker 1: of them, and then they actually think we're being nice

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Speaker 1: to them. The fact that it's not being adopted more

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Speaker 1: widely is it is a little wild that they're just

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Speaker 1: like yeah, but still that's given them too much power,

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Speaker 1: given them too much time to dream and come up

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Speaker 1: with ideas for something better.

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Speaker 2: So right, we're going to keep.

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Speaker 1: Them in the cubicle just uh we we want our

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Speaker 1: employees to spend at least ten hours a week pretending

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Speaker 1: to be busy, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what's writing your Victor?

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Speaker 1: But Victor was saying, oh yeah, yeah right, super producer

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Speaker 1: Victor was saying that basically every company that did this

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Speaker 1: in a UK study said productivity either maintained or increased.

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Speaker 1: So but Sheer innership.

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Speaker 2: Data is right there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, oh, I mean I can I can totally

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Speaker 5: see how it's the kind of momentum that business owners

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Speaker 5: do not want to like contribute to, you know, because

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Speaker 5: then they're like, what's next, They're going to start unionizing

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Speaker 5: in mass Then what are we going to do? Then

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Speaker 5: they're really gonna then they're going to ask for us

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Speaker 5: to share in the profits that that we're extracting from

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Speaker 5: their labor.

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Speaker 2: No, No, let's just let's slowly.

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Speaker 5: Maybe what if we do, like rather than forty hours,

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Speaker 5: we start off with like thirty six, you know, and

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Speaker 5: then and we'll go down like maybe a half day

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Speaker 5: Friday now, and then maybe we can get rid of

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Speaker 5: Friday completely. But yeah, it's just look, the proof is

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Speaker 5: there in the pudding. Just just it's right there. People

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Speaker 5: are more productive and happier.

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Speaker 1: Don't They usually just say like forty hours over the

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Speaker 1: course of four days. Like I feel like that is oftentimes.

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Speaker 5: That's another version of it too, But like, you know,

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Speaker 5: to what we're saying here, most people do not need

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Speaker 5: forty hours depending obviously this is this is occupationally dependent,

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Speaker 5: but like do not need the forty hours to achieve

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Speaker 5: whatever their company's goals are. Yeah, obviously you can't do

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Speaker 5: that if you're doing something like working as a like

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Speaker 5: the health services or something like that. But yeah, many Sandway.

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Speaker 1: Bill specific specifies forty two, making the national standard from

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Speaker 1: forty to thirty two hours. So no, no loopholes, sorry,

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Speaker 1: big corporations.

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Speaker 5: I mean shit, do fucking you know, like do three

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Speaker 5: eleven hour days?

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: Work three days a week if you've probably got to

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Speaker 5: thirty two because I'm only going to work you know

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Speaker 5: that quarter of those.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, there you go.

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Speaker 1: Well, Sheila, what a pleasure having you on the daily zeitgeist.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's been a joy.

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Speaker 1: Where can people find you and follow you and all

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Speaker 1: that good stuff?

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01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 7: You can follow me at Shila Lawson on Instagram and

1444
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 7: you can find me in my latest book, How to

1445
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Speaker 7: Live Free in a Dangerous World, in which I say

1446
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 7: fuck capitalism and the patriarchy.

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Speaker 1: Wait a second, now, now hold on, just to god,

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01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 1: damn second. Now, I'm just joking.

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01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 5: I thought you were cool.

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Speaker 7: I wait until the end book to stick it to

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Speaker 7: the man.

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, no's do cool the whole.

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Speaker 7: Time, and so we throw out what I actually do

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Speaker 7: with my life.

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Speaker 1: Amazing. Yeah, please everybody go buy the book. And is

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Speaker 1: there a work of media that you've been enjoying?

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Speaker 7: Fuck? I don't have one. I mean, that's the kind

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01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 7: of hole that I had to stay in to write

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01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 7: a travel book about trying to traverse the world in

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Speaker 7: most decolonial ways as possible. I can't stay on the

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Speaker 7: internet like you know, the bots can do that for me.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's true.

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Speaker 2: I was as good. People should go read your book.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, let's let's go back to reading people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I got through about the first forty pages and I'm

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Speaker 5: around the party you're in Zimbabwe, uh, And it's very

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Speaker 5: very eye opening as someone who's half black and trying

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Speaker 5: to like have introspection around blackness and what that means.

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Speaker 5: And I found that just this one passage was reading

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Speaker 5: about you in the car was very like eye opening.

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Speaker 7: But yeah, when I went to Zimbabwe right after Trump

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Speaker 7: got elected, and I was still afraid of getting arrested

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Speaker 7: as a black person in a fully black country, you know.

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Speaker 5: And they're like, oh, that's not oh see yeah yeah

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Speaker 5: you're yeah, so you're black from America. This is right different.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah yeah, no, I'm yeah. And man, your writing

1478
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 5: style is really it's it's like art, it's like pro

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Speaker 5: So yeah, I really encourage people to to definitely check

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Speaker 5: the book out because it's gone through the whole thing,

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01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 5: so maybe it might might have it might take a

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Speaker 5: weird turn about being anthy tablist or something.

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Speaker 16: Suddenly it's on the front, you know, colonial dangerous. I'm

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Speaker 16: not you know, I'm not shiitting anybody.

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Speaker 7: I'm geographing.

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Speaker 1: Being. At least one review being like now wait, just

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Speaker 1: to goddamn second tier. Someone said this was like, E

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Speaker 1: pray love, keep your politics out of my memoir reading. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, that's gonna do it. For this week's weekly Zeitgeist.

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Speaker 1: Please like and review the show if you like, the

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Speaker 1: show means the world the miles he he needs your validation. Folks.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're having a great weekend and I will

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Speaker 1: talk to you Monday.

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Speaker 15: By sting

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Speaker 12: Nothing st