Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. Writer who's here today?
Speaker 2: Today we're joined by none other than my brother Shilah Strong.
Speaker 1: Yeahs so good to see you.
Speaker 3: You always every time I see you, I go. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he lives by the beach. You've got the perfect amount
Speaker 3: of like you get a little bit of vitamin D
Speaker 3: every day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have behind him.
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly, yes, yes.
Speaker 3: Aside from the wave, but just his skin has a
Speaker 3: nice like I've spent the perfect amount of time in
Speaker 3: the sun's.
Speaker 4: Right amount of pre cancerous.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, it's a healthy glow till you're
Speaker 5: about sixty.
Speaker 6: It's a problem.
Speaker 4: I feel.
Speaker 7: I'm super grateful because I have a little backyard I
Speaker 7: can go and tinker around under the beach.
Speaker 4: It's yeah, it's great, love it nice.
Speaker 2: So I wanted to bring Shiloh on because, well, for
Speaker 2: our listeners that'll actually know that. You know, the first
Speaker 2: time we had Shiloh on, I think we mentioned the
Speaker 2: fact that Shiloh lost his house gosh, twelve years ago. Shiloh,
Speaker 2: it was fifteen years ago in a fire, one of
Speaker 2: them really California fires. I mean, now it seems like
Speaker 2: it's kind of a regular thing. But yeah, so we
Speaker 2: talked about that, and then we did an episode the
Speaker 2: week of the fires, if I remember, and we were
Speaker 2: talking about how it was affecting the city and our
Speaker 2: lives and everybody we knew, and of course, like one
Speaker 2: of the biggest areas that it affected is the entertainment industry.
Speaker 2: And you know, I just have was having so many
Speaker 2: conversations with so many people, like a friend who is
Speaker 2: a production designer and she was working the week or
Speaker 2: she was working the day of the fires that canceled
Speaker 2: the shoot and then took the shoot to Atlanta. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because it was like things have to get shot things,
Speaker 2: you know, And it wasn't really anybody's fault, but it's
Speaker 2: just the fact of the matter is we lost a
Speaker 2: lot of jobs. We lost a lot of.
Speaker 5: The industry, and so that was just piling on after
Speaker 5: losing a ton of jobs and everything else your school.
Speaker 2: So anyway, I just kept having these conversations and Chilo
Speaker 2: kept having these conversations, and like everybody we knew was
Speaker 2: affected or had lost or you know, I did the jobs,
Speaker 2: and Chilo actually did something about it, as opposed to
Speaker 2: everybody else that I know and myself included. So Hilo
Speaker 2: tell us. What you what you've started?
Speaker 4: Please you did help?
Speaker 7: Like this has been Yeah, it's it's been a wild
Speaker 7: experience because I, you know, when when the fires were
Speaker 7: happening in La, like we all were trying to figure
Speaker 7: out how to help and running around and it was
Speaker 7: just so traumatic for everybody who was so very and terrifying,
Speaker 7: you know. And I was running around and donating and
Speaker 7: doing all the immediate needs stuff and that's when I
Speaker 7: was looking back to my experience when I had lost
Speaker 7: my home and the fire, and you know, there's that
Speaker 7: period where you're dealing with all that immediate need of
Speaker 7: getting a house, dealing with the insurance, like it's just
Speaker 7: so overwhelming, you know. But then there's the period after
Speaker 7: that where you almost miss that because that's when you
Speaker 7: start really questioning what you want to do with your life,
Speaker 7: because it takes three months or so and that's where
Speaker 7: you're completely lost and you have I keep using the
Speaker 7: word opportunity, but it's not the right word, but you
Speaker 7: have the option to get up on your life because
Speaker 7: it's a before and after moment, especially for people in
Speaker 7: the creative arts or in the entertainment industry. Like you
Speaker 7: were saying, well, it's like it's been so difficult with
Speaker 7: COVID and back to back strikes and now yeah, house
Speaker 7: burns down. You know, yes, of course you're going to
Speaker 7: move to Atlanta or New Mexico.
Speaker 1: You know what's keeping you here?
Speaker 7: And why fight for dream of trying to live this
Speaker 7: creative life which everybody feels like the world's telling you,
Speaker 7: you know, get a real job, right. Yeah, So I said, okay, wow,
Speaker 7: I remember looking back at my period fifteen years ago,
Speaker 7: and I was lucky enough to have Rider and you
Speaker 7: know you guys too, I mean, will I remember I
Speaker 7: stayed with you a month, I think when I was
Speaker 7: homeless and having that support of people in the entertainment
Speaker 7: industry and filmmaking world was really helpful. And that's when
Speaker 7: Ryder and I started making our short films and we
Speaker 7: started really going out.
Speaker 4: And I was able to really.
Speaker 7: Trace back to that moment when it really helped me,
Speaker 7: you know, to pursue a creative life. And I wouldn't
Speaker 7: have done that if I didn't have you guys in
Speaker 7: that supportive community. And I said, okay, well, that's something
Speaker 7: I know is going to happen to a lot of
Speaker 7: people that are going to be in that same situation
Speaker 7: at this moment we're in right now, right a few
Speaker 7: months after the fires, and I said, okay, well, I
Speaker 7: know I could be there for those people. So I
Speaker 7: had some money set aside because I was going to
Speaker 7: do a short film that I was going to write
Speaker 7: and direct in January. And I was like, I'm going
Speaker 7: to hire people who've been affected by the fires to
Speaker 7: work on my short film. And I was like, Yeah,
Speaker 7: that's going to feel good. And then I said, Okay,
Speaker 7: that's a better idea than my short film. So I
Speaker 7: took that money and I've built out a nonprofit because
Speaker 7: I didn't know how to do that, but I hired
Speaker 7: nonprofit consultants and they came on and gave me the
Speaker 7: whole path of how to do this. And been getting
Speaker 7: volunteers and people jumping on board and donations and building
Speaker 7: out the website and learning so much and it's just
Speaker 7: been so rewarding and exciting. But the goal is to
Speaker 7: raise money to fund We're going for ten short film
Speaker 7: projects and these would be by filmmakers or people who
Speaker 7: want to make films who were affected by the fires,
Speaker 7: and we'll be able to give them grants and the
Speaker 7: support and then ultimately have a festival showcase in January
Speaker 7: of next year where we could all scream them. And
Speaker 7: so it's all about, you know, reviving the creative spirit
Speaker 7: and coming together as a community and trying to help
Speaker 7: creative people and saying you know that, you know, the
Speaker 7: arts really are important for you know, recovery, just as
Speaker 7: much as getting a roof over your head, you know, especially,
Speaker 7: you know, it's so much about Los Angeles and the world. Yeah,
Speaker 7: so that's been my life since then. It's been super
Speaker 7: rewarding and amazing and yeah, and it's just a lot,
Speaker 7: but it's super super fun.
Speaker 3: We hear a lot on the internet the word triggered,
Speaker 3: and it's always it's most of the time said in
Speaker 3: a real negative sense.
Speaker 1: Oh were you triggered? Or I'm really feeling triggered.
Speaker 3: This is such a perfect example, like, there's no way
Speaker 3: those fires or every major fire we have in Los
Speaker 3: Angeles or in California isn't triggering for you who lost
Speaker 3: everything fifteen years ago. And to take that triggering and
Speaker 3: go ooh, it's bringing me right back to my experience.
Speaker 3: How can I use this experience that you know, only
Speaker 3: a certain number of people know what it feels like
Speaker 3: to make a difference for every person in our community
Speaker 3: moving forward, and what you've done with it is just
Speaker 3: so incredible, Like it's so inspiring.
Speaker 1: How can how can everybody help? What?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 1: Where's? Where can people go? What can people? What can
Speaker 1: people do?
Speaker 4: That's great? Thanks? Yes?
Speaker 7: Uh yeah, I mean we have a website ashestefilms dot org.
Speaker 8: And the interest of that name now, thanks, Yeah, that's
Speaker 8: the that's the name of the festival and the whole
Speaker 8: grant program. Yeah, if you go to the website and
Speaker 8: so sign up to our our email list. But I mean,
Speaker 8: really we're just trying to get followers and trying to
Speaker 8: get people out there to know about it. That's why
Speaker 8: you guys having me on to to be able to
Speaker 8: talk about it, because you know, we're just I feel
Speaker 8: like this could be something really amazing for you know,
Speaker 8: not just the entertainment community, but for our in general
Speaker 8: and recognizing how important you know, I know, art is
Speaker 8: such a major part of my life and I'm so
Speaker 8: grateful that I've been able to live a life of
Speaker 8: being an artist, and I want to support people to
Speaker 8: keep pursuing that dream, you know, because I feel like
Speaker 8: that is the first thing that gets lost when we
Speaker 8: talk about recovery or you know, needs or immediate necessities,
Speaker 8: and you know, that is the core what it means
Speaker 8: to be a human being, you know, is to explore
Speaker 8: artistic endeavors and embrace that.
Speaker 4: And so yeah, so yeah, the Instagram.
Speaker 7: If anybody can follow us on our Instagram, that would
Speaker 7: just be amazing and spread the word.
Speaker 4: And I'm trying to find and finding filmmakers.
Speaker 8: That's what's been so amazing about this is, you know,
Speaker 8: hearing from people that have applied online.
Speaker 4: So if there's a filmmaker who wants to make.
Speaker 7: A film or is affected by these fires, or knows
Speaker 7: somebody who wants to make a film, like you know,
Speaker 7: just grab somebody who lost their house and say like,
Speaker 7: let's go make.
Speaker 4: A movie like there.
Speaker 7: Like it's all about building the community of people together
Speaker 7: so that they can come together, because that's part of
Speaker 7: the healing process.
Speaker 2: You know, if I remember correctly, one of your inspirations
Speaker 2: is Tribeca too, right, the Tribeca Film Festival, which.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's how Tribeca started, right.
Speaker 2: Response to nine to eleven. Right, it was a good
Speaker 2: way to revive the city of New York and the
Speaker 2: filmmaker community in New York, and it was de Niro
Speaker 2: started it, and it's turned into one of the mainstay festivals.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like, it's an amazing festival. It launched
Speaker 2: Shiloh and Me with our first short film, and it
Speaker 2: was the greatest festival, so much fun.
Speaker 7: So yeah, yeah, yeah, that would be the.
Speaker 5: I mean, the fires we were awful, obviously, and it
Speaker 5: was just kind of the cherry on top of the
Speaker 5: sandwich that has become the entertainment industry out in Los Angeles.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's people don't realize because you know, you
Speaker 5: sit down and you stream your stuff, you watch your stuff,
Speaker 5: and that's great.
Speaker 9: But what people don't realize.
Speaker 5: Is that none of that, like almost literally none of
Speaker 5: that is done in Los Angeles anymore. It's all done
Speaker 5: around the country or around the world, which again is
Speaker 5: great for those states. But you see, you don't realize
Speaker 5: the number of people that are out of work here,
Speaker 5: from makeup artists to caterers to set decorators, to artists
Speaker 5: to directors.
Speaker 9: It's not just like, wow, the actors aren't working.
Speaker 5: There's thousands of people out of work, and then the
Speaker 5: fires hit and people are just going why are we
Speaker 5: even here anymore trying to create in this city. And
Speaker 5: then there's people like you Shadow WHI You're amazing, which
Speaker 5: is like, nope, we can come back, let's go, let's
Speaker 5: start again. And it's really really as amazing and just
Speaker 5: the perfect name good its.
Speaker 9: Right, just the perfect name for or it. So yeah,
Speaker 9: this is this is really incredible.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 3: So the Instagram is also ashes to films, Yes, exactly, Okay, great,
Speaker 3: and so you can join the Instagram and I love that.
Speaker 1: Like you said, there's really.
Speaker 3: No one that's excluded from this because you don't have
Speaker 3: to be a filmmaker, you don't have to be an
Speaker 3: artist to still follow along. You're going to eventually want
Speaker 3: to see the projects that come out of this. You're
Speaker 3: going to want to know about the film festival.
Speaker 1: And then of.
Speaker 3: Course, if you've ever had a dream of making a
Speaker 3: movie but have never done it, but have been impacted
Speaker 3: by the fire, it what a fun idea for people
Speaker 3: to go, well, yeah, I'd love to make a movie,
Speaker 3: but I would have zero idea where to start. But
Speaker 3: I'm in this community and I have a lot of
Speaker 3: friends and we all have the same dream do something new.
Speaker 3: Like you said, it's a before and an after moment
Speaker 3: in your life.
Speaker 4: Totally.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: The most yeah, the most exciting thing, which we just
Speaker 7: literally found out two days ago.
Speaker 4: We're teaming up with the New York Film.
Speaker 8: Academy, which I haven't had a chance, yes about this writer,
Speaker 8: but through the Young Storytellers, which is an amazing program
Speaker 8: where they do mentorships for young kids and then teach
Speaker 8: them how to like do screenwriting and writers. Been a
Speaker 8: mentor and yes, it's a fantastic program. But we're doing
Speaker 8: a similar thing for young filmmakers. So these are kids
Speaker 8: that are under eighteen who've been affected by the fires,
Speaker 8: and we're going to be able to give them micro
Speaker 8: grants and they'll have an entire intensive course where they're
Speaker 8: going to get mentors with cameras, with locations. Like my
Speaker 8: goal is going to build up like a roster of actors.
Speaker 4: Like so if you guys want to be.
Speaker 7: In a short film, donate a day because like I
Speaker 7: would love to be able to see some young filmmakers
Speaker 7: get to direct some actors and put there and then
Speaker 7: we get a moment where they get to screen their films.
Speaker 4: You know that's cool.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So that and that's super exciting, like because that's
Speaker 7: just pure you know, wonderful, wonderfulness happening so amazing.
Speaker 3: Well, Shiloh, I didn't think there'd be a day where
Speaker 3: I'd say, Shiloh Strong the next Robert de Niro, But
Speaker 3: here it is. Here's the moment, and I love that you,
Speaker 3: like you just said to the fostering the next generation
Speaker 3: of filmmakers, and yeah, so really wonderful ashes of films.
Speaker 3: Check out the website, join the Instagram, we at pond
Speaker 3: Meats World are friends of ashes to films. I'm happy
Speaker 3: to donate a day to one of those short films.
Speaker 3: I don't even act anymore. I'm terrible, but you know,
Speaker 3: how how good do I need to be?
Speaker 6: Really?
Speaker 5: You know I used to say that every day on myself,
Speaker 5: like how good I actually have enough?
Speaker 4: Actor? I think, right exactly. You guys are wonderful.
Speaker 1: Thank you for being here.
Speaker 3: Is there anything else before we let you go? Is
Speaker 3: there anything else you want everyone to know? Or anywhere else?
Speaker 3: Any other way people can support?
Speaker 7: No, I mean, honestly, just follow us if you can
Speaker 7: and spread it. I mean we're really just trying to
Speaker 7: get get it out there because I feel like if
Speaker 7: we can just get the momentum going.
Speaker 4: If we can get past that tipping.
Speaker 7: Point, I think there's something really beautiful and meaningful and
Speaker 7: something that I think the world needs.
Speaker 6: Right now.
Speaker 3: We're pushing that. We're pushing that heavy ball up the
Speaker 3: hill right now. We need to get it to the
Speaker 3: top and roll it on to the other side.
Speaker 4: Exactly. Thank you guys, so much, so good.
Speaker 1: Thank you Albert De Niro Junior. Thank you Shiloh, It's
Speaker 1: always good to see you. By Wow, that's so cool.
Speaker 1: I mean, you writer, you and your brother.
Speaker 3: Have a real community driven like spirit and ship in you.
Speaker 2: Which is a little funny considering my parents like took
Speaker 2: us off into the woods to directly I know.
Speaker 1: They're like, live in this, live on this property, and
Speaker 1: don't leave.
Speaker 9: You said it nicer than I did, Danielle.
Speaker 5: I was going to say, you and your brother, Shiloh
Speaker 5: can really make the rest of us look like Yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean that is.
Speaker 1: Where I'm going with this.
Speaker 6: It's like.
Speaker 3: There you really you guys think really outside the box
Speaker 3: in ways that just I would. I might have the idea,
Speaker 3: like I might go, you know what I'd love to do,
Speaker 3: and I say it, but the actual figuring it out
Speaker 3: how to start a nonprofit? How like all of that
Speaker 3: and the fact that your brother had money set aside
Speaker 3: to make a short film like his own dream like,
Speaker 3: this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to
Speaker 3: make a short film. And then was like, you know, actually,
Speaker 3: I think this idea is better than that idea and
Speaker 3: can help more people.
Speaker 1: I'm going to take that money and I'm going to
Speaker 1: do this instead. It's just so great.
Speaker 5: So it's amazing, it really is really so are you
Speaker 5: Are we all going to be in a short film
Speaker 5: of some young student short film?
Speaker 6: I think that'd be fair man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that'd be fine.
Speaker 1: We'll get writer back on camera as ashes to films.
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Speaker 3: Pod Meets World. I'm Daniel Fishel, I'm.
Speaker 9: Right strong, and I'm Wilfredell.
Speaker 3: As we roll through our small mid season six break,
Speaker 3: we are excited to bring back some of our favorite
Speaker 3: past interviewees to pick a specific episode and talk about
Speaker 3: both their memories of filming it and their perspective on it.
Speaker 1: Decades later, we're still calling it.
Speaker 3: Be kind rewind, just accept it, and to be honest,
Speaker 3: some of it is a self serving undertaking and know
Speaker 3: not to stretch out the podcast because we're almost done
Speaker 3: with recaps, but thanks for reminding us about that. But
Speaker 3: in actuality, it's an opportunity to reunite with people we
Speaker 3: love because until the podcast, maybe we were fine only
Speaker 3: seeing these people thirty years ago and calling it a day.
Speaker 1: But now we're selfish.
Speaker 3: We want to see our old pals more, and so
Speaker 3: this week we'll be rejoined by a superstar Pod Meets
Speaker 3: worlder to revisit season two, Episode one, back to School,
Speaker 3: the invention of shock Drop, and his first ever job
Speaker 3: in Hollywood. He was our beloved bully with a Heart,
Speaker 3: Frankie Stacchino, but has gone on to appear on shows
Speaker 3: like My Name Is Earl, Raising Hope and The Ranch,
Speaker 3: and movies like Maul Rats, American History, X, Remember the Titans,
Speaker 3: and Wolf of Wall Street. He's also become an inspiration
Speaker 3: for thousands of people looking to create a more healthy lifestyle,
Speaker 3: encouraging weight loss and fitness, a journey he's been on
Speaker 3: since childhood. Welcome back to Pod Meets World. The One
Speaker 3: the Only Ethan Sipple.
Speaker 6: Hello, Hello, Hello guys. Sorry I'm just exing out of
Speaker 6: my mail because it just made a ding, which is
Speaker 6: super embarrassing, especially since they came on and recording and
Speaker 6: it's like, what a.
Speaker 1: Nightmare?
Speaker 6: Guys. Yeah, the thing is, the thing is bad now.
Speaker 1: You know what?
Speaker 3: It's not as bad as the battery on a fire alarm.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I can't guarantee that won't happen. I don't know.
Speaker 6: I see the Sorry, you can curse, you can curse.
Speaker 6: What do you just bleep?
Speaker 4: It?
Speaker 1: We silent and believe I feel like.
Speaker 6: Where it could go off, that's a landmine. Guys, who knows.
Speaker 3: I always know they're not going to go off during
Speaker 3: recording because mine have never gone off unless it was
Speaker 3: two o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 6: Danielle, you just said, wow, there's no traffic on the freeway.
Speaker 6: You know what you've done to yourself?
Speaker 3: You know it's you believe then maybe I'm jinx myself,
Speaker 3: but I don't really believe.
Speaker 5: In to all the batteries, you actually haven't had smoke
Speaker 5: detectors in years.
Speaker 3: That's the thing, right, perfect, Ethan, thank you so much
Speaker 3: for doing this.
Speaker 1: We are thrilled to see you again.
Speaker 6: Thanks for having me back. Guys. It means I didn't
Speaker 6: blow it the last time.
Speaker 1: You definitely did not. You definitely did not.
Speaker 3: So you chose season two, episode one, back to School,
Speaker 3: an episode that during our it's so funny that I
Speaker 3: was going to call it our original rewatch, as if
Speaker 3: we've started.
Speaker 1: The podcast over again.
Speaker 3: But in our first rewatch was very startling to the
Speaker 3: three of us. We had the young, super naive childlike
Speaker 3: quality of Season one had really been stripped away at
Speaker 3: the beginning of this.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was high school. It was hardcore. There were
Speaker 6: bullies with switchblades. It was like a lot.
Speaker 1: There was making out, there was talks of body changes.
Speaker 1: It was it was like we.
Speaker 3: Went from the warm blanket of childhood to like a
Speaker 3: cold plunge, and so it really felt very shocking to us.
Speaker 3: But I think now I'm gonna maybe it's just me,
Speaker 3: but it's really grown on me.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 2: I love it late episode.
Speaker 6: It's a great episode. I loved it so much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so much going on, and the fact that
Speaker 2: it all kind of works is crazy. It's like a
Speaker 2: great episode and it's the I mean, it's what the
Speaker 2: show was for the next like three years.
Speaker 6: It was this show.
Speaker 2: It's amazing. Yeah, it did so much.
Speaker 6: We let me ask you a question, why do you
Speaker 6: think they kind of changed Lane so much because it
Speaker 6: was a big departure from season one.
Speaker 1: Big departure.
Speaker 9: Well, we heard, We've heard different things.
Speaker 5: I mean, one of the things we heard was just
Speaker 5: a straight up network note, we want to age the
Speaker 5: show up. We've also heard they brought in different you know,
Speaker 5: this is when they brought in Bututman and bus Gang
Speaker 5: and so they brought in different producers who also wanted
Speaker 5: to age the show up.
Speaker 9: So yeah, we've heard a bunch of different versions. That's
Speaker 9: what Lee Norris wasn't brought back.
Speaker 5: But then we watched the episode in the first thing
Speaker 5: you see essentially when they walk into the hallway as
Speaker 5: two other nerds who look just like Lee. So where
Speaker 5: we got kind of conflicting stories sometimes as to why
Speaker 5: they they did what they did.
Speaker 2: But we think it was smart, I mean funny because
Speaker 2: I love the first season. But this is more sustainable,
Speaker 2: right because we are going to grow, We are going
Speaker 2: to be changing what seemed, you know, faster than they
Speaker 2: kind of want us to. And as characters. Once we're
Speaker 2: in this high school, you've got us there for five years.
Speaker 2: You've got more, You've got way more, they say, they
Speaker 2: say six or seven in.
Speaker 6: The thing.
Speaker 2: In elementary school or grades or middle school even which
Speaker 2: is you know what kind of makes more sense as
Speaker 2: far as like what's common in the rest of America, right,
Speaker 2: like you go through middle school and then you enter
Speaker 2: high school ninth grade. They threw us in there in
Speaker 2: sixth grade and made it a big deal, like we're
Speaker 2: in high school now, kept calling it high school. But
Speaker 2: it's smart because then you have more time to like
Speaker 2: develop these characters, let them live. It's it's a big move,
Speaker 2: but it worked out.
Speaker 1: Ethan, What are your overall thoughts on the episode?
Speaker 6: You know, I remember that was my first job.
Speaker 1: It's job, so you look so comfortable.
Speaker 6: Which, by the way, guys, you know, like okay, like
Speaker 6: that's my first job and all, like you know, it's
Speaker 6: thirty years ago. Is thirty years ago? I think initially
Speaker 6: now thirty years right, we thought you.
Speaker 2: Were so experienced because you were older than us. You
Speaker 2: were like, oh, the guy who knows everything.
Speaker 6: I mean and and and I felt like, don't mess
Speaker 6: up because you have no idea really what you're doing.
Speaker 6: You were in one high school play and you're kind
Speaker 6: of attracted to this idea of acting and you went
Speaker 6: to an acting class for a minute, but I don't
Speaker 6: know what the hell right television, Like, I don't know
Speaker 6: how to do anything, and I think, so I'm looking
Speaker 6: at it entirely through that lens of like, look at
Speaker 6: this guy who has no idea what's going on. I remember,
Speaker 6: you know, hearing about tape night and how we're gonna
Speaker 6: get maybe two shots at doing something, so really know
Speaker 6: your stuff, hit your marks, and then trainer reshot me saying, well,
Speaker 6: what do you call me? Gay? Like seventeen times we
Speaker 6: did that over and over and over again, and I
Speaker 6: thought like, I thought, like I'm ruining this because I
Speaker 6: was getting notes every time, and I was like the
Speaker 6: I could feel the audience's energy dissipating.
Speaker 3: Really wow, in front of the audience, you did it
Speaker 3: that many times over and it.
Speaker 4: Was just your section.
Speaker 2: They just wanted to keep doing that or.
Speaker 6: I don't know if it. I mean, listen, this.
Speaker 2: Is a big scene. We could have done the scene
Speaker 2: a million times because yes.
Speaker 6: But through the narcissistic glasses that it exists on my head.
Speaker 5: It was all me everything, which all the other lights
Speaker 5: it was just one.
Speaker 1: We could go take a nap, get out.
Speaker 6: Yes, and in fact, you nobody was in the scene.
Speaker 6: It was just me and trainer and trainers the nicest
Speaker 6: guy but in the nicest way. He was like saying,
Speaker 6: like stop up.
Speaker 2: He wasn't at all.
Speaker 6: He was such a sweetheart, but like, yeah, I thought so, no,
Speaker 6: no he did not know.
Speaker 2: He knows that I know, but I don't remember having
Speaker 2: to do this. But like, all I remember is you
Speaker 2: being a completely professional and everybody knowing it and everybody being.
Speaker 6: Like wow ethan actor, Like yeah, I really. I remember
Speaker 6: going like we're gonna do this twice at the most,
Speaker 6: like so don't mess up, and then on like this
Speaker 6: fifteenth time, I was like I'm finished.
Speaker 4: Like I don't coming back.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: Act, you're just so insecure to hear just how insecure
Speaker 5: we all are all the time.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it's the worst, dude, it's the worst. Every
Speaker 6: job ob is my last job. That was my first
Speaker 6: and last job, and I can't believe I survived it.
Speaker 2: Actually, have you been fired before? Like, have you lost
Speaker 2: a job?
Speaker 6: Like I've never been fired. There was one pretty good
Speaker 6: There was a pilot that I came in to replace
Speaker 6: somebody on Okay, and they shot the pilot screened the
Speaker 6: test of the pilot and were like, we need to
Speaker 6: replace this guy.
Speaker 9: And then they replaced you.
Speaker 6: Well, they didn't. They offered, they offered to replace me,
Speaker 6: They offered my role. They were like, let's reshoot it
Speaker 6: again for the third time, and let's get Rob Riggle
Speaker 6: to play Ethan's role. And then he ultimately turned it
Speaker 6: down and then the whole show went away. Oh geez,
Speaker 6: So I mean like kind of almost fired.
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like most actors, especially ones at
Speaker 2: work for thirty years, you know, get fired at some
Speaker 2: point because it's like it's so often not about you,
Speaker 2: you know, and listen to sometimes.
Speaker 6: I had Blake, who was the seasoned pro veteran that
Speaker 6: that I like felt comfortable talking to because we were
Speaker 6: like kind of on the same level and we had
Speaker 6: seen so many scenes together, and he was like, oh,
Speaker 6: people get fired all the time. He told me. He
Speaker 6: was like, you know, I don't want to say names,
Speaker 6: but so and so this kid who's around our age,
Speaker 6: who you know, was like well thought of, was like
Speaker 6: walked after a after a network run through one day,
Speaker 6: he walked into his trailer, had a stack of thirteen
Speaker 6: checks and was gone, yeah, and I was like, that
Speaker 6: doesn't sound so bad. It's not the worst, but yeh,
Speaker 6: being tired sucks. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I I've now as a director, I've had to be
Speaker 3: on the other side of it.
Speaker 9: She had to fire somebody.
Speaker 3: I have never fired anybody, because it's not as a
Speaker 3: director of TV.
Speaker 1: It's the producer's job.
Speaker 3: But I have had to be involved in the conversations
Speaker 3: where they're like, wasn't a great table read?
Speaker 1: What are we going to do? And it's like, let
Speaker 1: me have a day, let me take you know, let
Speaker 1: me have this day, let me see.
Speaker 3: Tell me what you're looking for, you know, show me
Speaker 3: what you liked about the audition tape. Show tell me
Speaker 3: what it is that you're looking because you know, when
Speaker 3: as the director, when I sit down at a table
Speaker 3: read and somebody's like really big and broad and super
Speaker 3: over the top, I think, oh, that's why they cast them.
Speaker 1: They must have loved that. And then afterward they're like,
Speaker 1: what was that? And I'm like, oh, wait, well.
Speaker 3: How is this different? So I need you to tell
Speaker 3: me then what are you looking for? If that wasn't it,
Speaker 3: what are you looking for? And then still, sometimes you know,
Speaker 3: you get you get a day of rehearsal and the
Speaker 3: producer see it and they go, Nope, it's not what
Speaker 3: I want or was.
Speaker 2: So interesting because like the example that you just gave,
Speaker 2: like you know, is one of those things that I
Speaker 2: feel like if an inexperienced producer might just see a
Speaker 2: bad performance be like, oh my god, it's over, it's over.
Speaker 2: We can't. But a director, a good producer, a good
Speaker 2: director can see a performance and like an the example
Speaker 2: you gave, if somebody's too big, that's actually a good problem,
Speaker 2: that's get it back. If somebody is too small, that's
Speaker 2: a scarier problem because then you're like they might not commit,
Speaker 2: they might not have it in them to even show,
Speaker 2: you know, go for it. And that's what like, so
Speaker 2: it's like different problems that you have to gauge and
Speaker 2: be like this person's never going to get there, maybe
Speaker 2: whereas this person we can probably get them there, you know,
Speaker 2: and like you have to figure out what that what that.
Speaker 5: We were also conditioned after season one that nobody's job
Speaker 5: was safe.
Speaker 9: I mean we just saw people fired every week.
Speaker 3: I was there having replaced somebody to replace somebody fired.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we were just we we there was a
Speaker 5: third best friend for five episodes in a row. They
Speaker 5: kept trying it and trying, and the kid would make
Speaker 5: it as far as like, wow, they almost made it
Speaker 5: to the second run.
Speaker 2: Through, and then the fact that Lee didn't come back,
Speaker 2: and then starting the season with somebody who we considered
Speaker 2: part of our cohort, and it was like, oh, it's
Speaker 2: just as easily happened to anyone of them.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's what a business to get into.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, in all fairness, if you can't handle being
Speaker 5: fired by eleven, what good are you?
Speaker 6: Right, that's the lesson we all know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what we're taking away from this. Ethan.
Speaker 3: You have since, of course, gone on to have a
Speaker 3: very successful career.
Speaker 1: You've worked with some of the best directors.
Speaker 3: You are as you mentioned, the greenest green you could
Speaker 3: possibly be in this episode, did you like what do
Speaker 3: you remember any specific notes you were given, either by
Speaker 3: David Trainer or by Michael, Like, was there any specific
Speaker 3: performance thing you felt like they were trying to get
Speaker 3: out of you?
Speaker 6: Well, I remember at the first run through, and I'm
Speaker 6: trying to think back on how it worked that first episode,
Speaker 6: but because at some point there was like a table
Speaker 6: read and then no run through and then everybody went home.
Speaker 6: Rights later the.
Speaker 3: First day of the week, Friday, we got there, do
Speaker 3: a table read, have a light little rehearsal during the day,
Speaker 3: and then go home and on Monday come back in
Speaker 3: for another full rehearsal and then a producer run through.
Speaker 2: But actually, I think what you've been saying is that
Speaker 2: by like season three, we didn't even do Friday rehearsal.
Speaker 6: It was later.
Speaker 9: We went as a team and Friday, yet.
Speaker 6: There was rehearsal after the table reader. Correct, yes, okay,
Speaker 6: So I remember the line that I had that got
Speaker 6: the biggest laugh was what are you saying I'm gay?
Speaker 6: It's so non sequitur, it's so ridiculous, and it's so
Speaker 6: spoke to what I thought Frankie was dealing with internally
Speaker 6: that he then is like, that's his jab, like you know,
Speaker 6: because this is before we know about poetry or anything
Speaker 6: like that, which became very interesting. But like I got
Speaker 6: to play with all of this internal stuff because of
Speaker 6: that line. And in the very first rehearsal, David Traynor
Speaker 6: was like, that'll be gone. That line's going to be gone,
Speaker 6: and I was like, wait why, and he was like,
Speaker 6: somebody will take offense to that line, that line is
Speaker 6: going to be gone, and I was like, I was
Speaker 6: like kind of devastated because that line I felt communicated
Speaker 6: the most pathos about this character. Yeah, and and then
Speaker 6: I just kept waiting, you know, I didn't know again,
Speaker 6: I didn't know how anything worked. So, uh, Friday night
Speaker 6: or Saturday, when I woke up to a Manila envelope
Speaker 6: with rewrites, I was like, Oh, stuff is gonna change.
Speaker 6: And I looked through it and that was the line
Speaker 6: and that line hadn't been gone. But I kept kind
Speaker 6: of waiting, like somebody's gonna be bummed out about this
Speaker 6: and take this line out, and I then have to
Speaker 6: figure out how to communicate what I thought that line
Speaker 6: was communicating without those words. So I was really stressed.
Speaker 6: And then even during the uh, the the taping, they
Speaker 6: were changing stuff and I was like, Oh, these guys
Speaker 6: are not quitting. Like what we've we've done. This is
Speaker 6: like the eighth iteration of tweaks and changes and whole
Speaker 6: new speeches and monologues, and like jokes are gone and
Speaker 6: stuff isn't and that line is still there. And I
Speaker 6: felt unsafe. And then on the seventeenth time of doing
Speaker 6: that scene, I was like, just okay, kill the line.
Speaker 6: Is it that line that's ruining it? Is that bringing
Speaker 6: everybody down, Like I just was so antsy about everything.
Speaker 2: So amazing that because it's actually that line and your
Speaker 2: delivery that is your job security. Because it's a joke.
Speaker 2: The way it's written is like I think they meant
Speaker 2: it as like just a big joke turn like the
Speaker 2: big scary guy is actually worried that he's gay. Aha,
Speaker 2: But because you played it with such cathos and such
Speaker 2: confusion and such commitment, it was like, oh, there's something
Speaker 2: actually going on with that was the most meaningful. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's so it's you see like such honest fragility and
Speaker 2: like openness in your character that you're like, there's more
Speaker 2: going on there and I want to know everything. So
Speaker 2: the joke became why Frankie stuck around because of your delivery.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no way they could cut that line.
Speaker 2: It's amazing that you had any any insecurity about.
Speaker 6: It, because it's like, well, I just again I didn't
Speaker 6: know how anything. So when line started coming and going,
Speaker 6: I was like, nothing is safe. My job is not safe.
Speaker 6: I can be fired, they can take wasn't wrong?
Speaker 2: That line could have been cut just just using the
Speaker 2: word gay was on a kids show, like you know
Speaker 2: at that time was like WHOA, well you don't want
Speaker 2: to go there, so.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think you can do it today, Like
Speaker 6: now you can't. You can't sell that line, not as
Speaker 6: a joke. No on on My name is Earl. We
Speaker 6: had a line that that uh one of the UH
Speaker 6: producers like fought with the network about and then ultimately
Speaker 6: it got to stay. Also couldn't stay, but it it
Speaker 6: went to like again my character's naivete and sweetness, where
Speaker 6: We're going to a carnival and Earle says like, like
Speaker 6: that carnival, it's a bunch of like criminals and I'm like,
Speaker 6: I don't know. They've got the world's tallest midget at
Speaker 6: that carnival. And Earl says like, Earl's like that's just
Speaker 6: the short guy. And I'm like, I don't know, Earl,
Speaker 6: he's pretty tall, you know. Like I'm not doing the
Speaker 6: joke justice, but it's not demeaning to that just the
Speaker 6: concept says more about what I'm thinking about myself than
Speaker 6: trying to demean somebody. And I felt that way about
Speaker 6: the what do you what do you call me Galen Like.
Speaker 6: It's not putting a negative flare on anybody else, it's
Speaker 6: literally my own insecurity of like, I've got a lot
Speaker 6: going on inside and are you are you seeing it? Yeah?
Speaker 6: Did you?
Speaker 3: Did you spot it?
Speaker 2: I exposed something?
Speaker 9: Yeah, that just reminds me of that.
Speaker 5: That's the same with the Simpsons line where he calls
Speaker 5: most Tavaris his most tavern home of the world's smallest
Speaker 5: large screen TV.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's that same kind of joke.
Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of notes, we never I don't think we've
Speaker 3: ever directly asked somebody this, But do you remember your
Speaker 3: first post run through note session with Michael?
Speaker 6: I mean, I feel like they're a little bit of
Speaker 6: a blur, but I do remember Michael talking to me
Speaker 6: and and I remember just, you know, like whoa, the
Speaker 6: attention is on me, and he's such like a funny, nice,
Speaker 6: yet severe kind of guy all at the same time,
Speaker 6: like amiable and yet like would hit you with something,
Speaker 6: not in a mean way, but like powerful, you know.
Speaker 6: So I don't remember. That's one of the.
Speaker 3: Best, the best descriptions of Michael I've ever heard.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, he was, I mean, he was, he was.
Speaker 5: He certainly commanded respect and so there was that moment
Speaker 5: we talked about the actor. All the other lights being
Speaker 5: shut off on the stage and the spotlights on you.
Speaker 6: That's what it was like.
Speaker 5: In a note session, you'd hear your name or you'd
Speaker 5: see The thing I remember was you would come to
Speaker 5: a scene you were in and you'd look down at
Speaker 5: the page during a note session and be like, all right,
Speaker 5: I have a line seven lines from now. I wonder
Speaker 5: if Michael's going to say my name and call out
Speaker 5: whatever the line was, and you'd start to feel that anxiety.
Speaker 5: It would kid, it would and then if he went
Speaker 5: past it and it's like oh okay, like he didn't
Speaker 5: say my name, he didn't you have him.
Speaker 6: You'd have a pause and you'd know like, well, three
Speaker 6: pages from now, it's going to happen again, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 9: It was, man, you were on your toes the entire time.
Speaker 5: And I was always amazed at the number of guest stars,
Speaker 5: you know, one shot actors that would come up to
Speaker 5: us after the note session.
Speaker 9: And go is it like that? After every run through?
Speaker 5: It was something they had never experienced before on any
Speaker 5: other show, Like wait, do you really sit there for
Speaker 5: an hour?
Speaker 9: An hour and a half and he goes through every line.
Speaker 9: It's like yep, every day And.
Speaker 1: It was like he was my first job too.
Speaker 3: Other than you know, I had done some guest spots
Speaker 3: on Full House, but it was certainly my and I.
Speaker 1: So I just thought, Wow, this is how they do
Speaker 1: this is how every show does it. I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't know any different.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, it's it amazes me because the imagine
Speaker 6: the amount of like care that everybody had. Who was
Speaker 6: the stage manager it was at gal Lynn McCracken was
Speaker 6: so awesome, yeah, and so maternal and like caring and
Speaker 6: loving and like so I never there was never a
Speaker 6: point where I felt like I didn't know where to
Speaker 6: go because she'd always give me the heads up and
Speaker 6: I was like, thank God for her. And I really
Speaker 6: felt like she's doing this because she knows I don't.
Speaker 6: I have no idea what's going on. And then cut
Speaker 6: to you know, thirty years later, where they're still treating
Speaker 6: me the exact same way as though, you know, like
Speaker 6: here's where the is and.
Speaker 9: Yes, exactly, this is your dressing actors.
Speaker 6: Right, And I really thought it was her recognizing looking
Speaker 6: out for you and so and and you know, it
Speaker 6: definitely waned once i'd been there for a while, it
Speaker 6: wasn't as hardcore. But then on my very next job,
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, wait, are you guys gonna always
Speaker 6: treat me like a child, Like you don't really need
Speaker 6: this anymore? You know?
Speaker 3: My gosh, it's so true. You debut here as Frankie Stacchino,
Speaker 3: the muscle of the John Adams High School system of bullies,
Speaker 3: and you're paired with your mouthpiece, Blake Senate as Joey
Speaker 3: the Rat. Do you remember feeling chemistry with Blake right away?
Speaker 6: Yes, we kind of bonded, but it was like you know,
Speaker 6: two guys who are in prison and assigned to the
Speaker 6: same cell, you know what I mean. Like it was
Speaker 6: just kind of like, well, you and I are in
Speaker 6: scenes together, Huh, I'm brand new. You've got like I'm
Speaker 6: just going to leach on to you and follow your
Speaker 6: lead and whatever you do. And you know, it got
Speaker 6: a little dangerous because I've feel like his sense of
Speaker 6: humor was was riskier than mine, and so I kind
Speaker 6: of fell into like, Okay, that's the tone, that's what
Speaker 6: you do, and you know, which is fine for a
Speaker 6: guy who knows what he's doing and has been doing
Speaker 6: it for years, but for a guy who was brand new.
Speaker 6: I was also a little bit scared and trepidaceous, like
Speaker 6: are we allowed to make that joke? Is that too crass?
Speaker 6: There's kids, weird kids, like what are we doing here?
Speaker 6: You know? But yeah, that he was really my kind
Speaker 6: of touch point. Yeah, most of my experience first.
Speaker 1: Week so funny.
Speaker 3: And when we talked to him about it, you know,
Speaker 3: finding out that so much of his stuff was literally
Speaker 3: just like I need I'm gonna do anything I can
Speaker 3: to book this job.
Speaker 1: I don't care.
Speaker 3: I don't care about the job, I don't care about
Speaker 3: any I'm just and I'm gonna so I'm just gonna
Speaker 3: try something.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw something out there.
Speaker 3: And and it was sticking often enough that he was
Speaker 3: working regularly early and I think, yeah, he just got
Speaker 3: to a point where like, the more risks I take,
Speaker 3: the better things turn out. So yeah, his sense of
Speaker 3: humor really cracks me up. Was the dry, sarcastic delivery
Speaker 3: something that reflected you in real life or is that
Speaker 3: just something that came up for this character and has
Speaker 3: kind of stuck around with you ever since?
Speaker 6: No, No, that felt very natural to me. Okay, I
Speaker 6: like that, you know. Like talking earlier, Rider was saying,
Speaker 6: like the big you can turn it down, but the
Speaker 6: small it's hard to turn up. And I think that
Speaker 6: I relate to that so much because a lot of
Speaker 6: my life is spent in fear, and I am so
Speaker 6: unwilling sometimes to like go bold, So I will play
Speaker 6: to subtlety more because it feels safer, which is not
Speaker 6: a great thing to admit, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 6: I recognize this is a flaw of mine that I
Speaker 6: work on, but but I think that that's a big
Speaker 6: part of it is that, like I, you know, I
Speaker 6: have a bunch of stuff I'm working through mentally, and
Speaker 6: so if I can find a way to do it small,
Speaker 6: I would much rather do it small.
Speaker 3: Okay, looking at this episode now, with all the experience
Speaker 3: that you have thirty years, thirty plus years of experience,
Speaker 3: did you have any notes for young Ethan?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 6: Wow, I mean no, I watched it with grace. I'm
Speaker 6: trying very hard to give myself grace, you know, I do.
Speaker 9: Danielle have several Danielle has several notes.
Speaker 6: I would love I would love you, you know, I went.
Speaker 6: I don't tend to watch stuff that I'm in and
Speaker 6: you know, like even like now, the whole routine is
Speaker 6: like if there's like a really good movie you want
Speaker 6: to do that, they're not calling you to say, like
Speaker 6: be be in our movie. You have to send them
Speaker 6: a tape like yeah, that's kind of the landscape of
Speaker 6: acting right now. I can't even bring myself to watch those,
Speaker 6: so I wind up sending in ten versions of something,
Speaker 6: which is which is not great for my agents who
Speaker 6: have to then they pass on. Yeah, right, But so
Speaker 6: like watching it, I kind of wanted to go like,
Speaker 6: this is from a long time ago. There there is
Speaker 6: no saving the car wreck. If I watch it and
Speaker 6: perceive this to be a trained derailment and decapitations of
Speaker 6: human beings, like they're dead, there is no saving them.
Speaker 6: I just have to be I have to bear witness
Speaker 6: and I have to give grace to the to what
Speaker 6: I'm watching because, you know, beyond everything, it means something
Speaker 6: to people, Like so many people love this show. It
Speaker 6: astonishes me to this day how many people watch this
Speaker 6: show how and it and it meant something profound to them?
Speaker 6: You know what I mean? This is not like this
Speaker 6: is not lightlifting, This is like, this is an impact
Speaker 6: on many people's lives, so I have to give grace
Speaker 6: to those people too because it's meaningful for them. So
Speaker 6: I'm not watching it critically, right.
Speaker 5: That's one of the things we, you know, struggle with
Speaker 5: week by week is because we do the same thing
Speaker 5: where it's kind of like, Okay, we have to balance
Speaker 5: this idea that it was important to people, it mattered,
Speaker 5: it was thirty years ago. Some of the jokes, some
Speaker 5: of the stuff is going to be outdated. It's just
Speaker 5: the way it is. But it's also as actors, we
Speaker 5: look back and we're critical of ourselves and that's what
Speaker 5: we do, and that tends to then be you know,
Speaker 5: we take what we do in our regular lives and
Speaker 5: we then apply it to the past as if it's
Speaker 5: going to help. So, you know, Danielle's a director, She's
Speaker 5: going to watch the show now maybe through the eyes
Speaker 5: of a director. Writer's a writer, he's going to say,
Speaker 5: why did they do this with the story and that.
Speaker 9: So we're constantly going.
Speaker 5: Well, we have to watch it as the people we are,
Speaker 5: but at the same time, we also have to remember
Speaker 5: what it was, what the time was, and that could
Speaker 5: be a struggle. I mean, there's times where I will
Speaker 5: listen back to a podcast we've done that even the show.
Speaker 9: I'll listen back to a podcast we've done and be like, damn,
Speaker 9: we tore that apart and maybe we shouldn't.
Speaker 5: And the episode you picked is kind of a perfect
Speaker 5: example because straight from the end of season one right
Speaker 5: into season two, we didn't take a break. We called
Speaker 5: it dropshock. It was just watching two different shows. But
Speaker 5: now going back and looking at this episode again, this
Speaker 5: was a great episode of Boy Meets World. I mean,
Speaker 5: I mean, no, I was terrible, but but again I
Speaker 5: go back, though you're god.
Speaker 2: Like, by season three, you were just a completely different actor. Wells,
Speaker 2: here's one of the reasons why young will like trying
Speaker 2: to figuring it out, figuring it out, and it's like
Speaker 2: you're trying so many different things, but it's like you're
Speaker 2: just not comfortable in a way, like well by season
Speaker 2: I guess maybe it was halfway through this season through
Speaker 2: season two somewhere starting.
Speaker 5: But it's also exactly what Ethan said before, where he's
Speaker 5: like this one line in the script was the pathos
Speaker 5: for the.
Speaker 9: Care None of that never came into my head.
Speaker 5: I was sitting there going like, oh, if I go
Speaker 5: if I say, Cory this loud, maybe someone will laugh
Speaker 5: and my hair look good.
Speaker 9: Like That's as far as I took it.
Speaker 1: It was also a literal.
Speaker 3: You know, we've learned a lot about young Will over
Speaker 3: the years of knowing him and certainly of doing this podcast.
Speaker 3: This was Will's every day was Will's dream coming true. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and we all had that underlying fear that at any
Speaker 3: second this could get taken away for any number of reasons.
Speaker 3: We get replaced, we get fired, the show gets canceled,
Speaker 3: and an episode doesn't go well, Michael doesn't like us,
Speaker 3: the director has a hard time, whatever the reason is.
Speaker 3: And every day Will was just like, how do I
Speaker 3: how do I make sure that my every day I
Speaker 3: get to come back tomorrow?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 1: Can I get Yes?
Speaker 6: I have to do to make sure.
Speaker 5: I mean, my brother's the joke my brothers would say
Speaker 5: to me when I would go home first season was
Speaker 5: they're gonna be Chucky Cunningham. You.
Speaker 9: They're going to Chucky Cunningham.
Speaker 5: You.
Speaker 9: And it's like again for people that you don't know
Speaker 9: what that is.
Speaker 5: Richie Cunningham on Happy Days had an older brother who
Speaker 5: one day he grabbed a basketball, walked upstairs and you
Speaker 5: never saw him again, so that was their joke for me,
Speaker 5: and in my head.
Speaker 9: It was like this is there, this could go, this
Speaker 9: could go, and I had already replaced another Eric.
Speaker 5: And then it was the you guys come in, and
Speaker 5: the three of you were so good and so just
Speaker 5: natural and it worked. And the dynamic between Corey and
Speaker 5: then the bullies because also when they cast Danny, who's
Speaker 5: still to this day, you turn it on, you go,
Speaker 5: that guy's thirty five, so he might not have been,
Speaker 5: but the idea that you put him next to Corey
Speaker 5: and they're both in the same school is so dynamic.
Speaker 5: And then you put you and Joey next to the
Speaker 5: and you kind of can start going like, yeah, you
Speaker 5: could phase Eric out, it wouldn't might not.
Speaker 2: Be that big if you didn't have ye Honestly, I
Speaker 2: think so you guys became the bet story because you
Speaker 2: and Bill had such chemistry as characters. If you didn't
Speaker 2: find that gone to dude. Yep, no, I agree, because
Speaker 2: it's yeah, but.
Speaker 6: You have kind of thing seems utterly insane to me
Speaker 6: to put children through, right, doesn't it not.
Speaker 2: It's like a show Russian Roulette sort of like yeah,
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 6: Yes, I was saying to somebody today, like, I just
Speaker 6: thank god every day none of my kids are interested
Speaker 6: in the otay because it's just it's just insane. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think about when we were in contract negotiations for Topanga,
Speaker 3: when I was like, Okay, the big excuse for why
Speaker 3: they could never pay me the same as any of
Speaker 3: the other characters on the show was well, we weren't
Speaker 3: intending on Topega being a regular character, And by the
Speaker 3: time we got to season four, it was like, well
Speaker 3: you should know by now, right, she's been involved since
Speaker 3: episode four. It's now season four, and I still remember
Speaker 3: my dad and Judy Savage doing my contract negotiations and
Speaker 3: me just looking at my dad and Judy and saying,
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: Care what they pay me.
Speaker 3: If you lose this job for me, I will never
Speaker 3: forgive you. And yet of course they need to do
Speaker 3: right by me, like they can't have me be taken
Speaker 3: advantage of. I just can't imagine. I truly like having
Speaker 3: kids now of my own. I cannot imagine.
Speaker 5: Well, I told you my dad, my dad turning down
Speaker 5: saved by the bell without telling me what the new
Speaker 5: class when I was fifteen, had he not done that,
Speaker 5: I never would have.
Speaker 9: Gotten boy Me's world. I'm still pissed my dad turning
Speaker 9: down Save without Unforgivable, Still like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 6: What are you doing?
Speaker 5: So it's a crazy Lord of the Flies world that
Speaker 5: you love when you're in, but when you do step
Speaker 5: back and you kind of look at it, you get
Speaker 5: out of the bubble and you look at it, it's insane.
Speaker 1: I mean it's crazy.
Speaker 6: It's a real crazy life to live.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it is, man, wow.
Speaker 6: But the highs are very high, oh yeah, when it's
Speaker 6: working the lows.
Speaker 2: I'm also just I'm looking at my son, who's he's
Speaker 2: just such an actor.
Speaker 9: Yeah, he's ten.
Speaker 2: Years old and he sings like crazy. He's so talented
Speaker 2: and he loves it. It's like what am I supposed to?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, you're not going to go on camera, dude?
Speaker 2: But he's like why not? And I'm like, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know how long I can hold him if
Speaker 2: he's doing theater, you know he's doing.
Speaker 6: Have you even have you watched what Ethan Hawk talks
Speaker 6: about his kids wanting to It's it's incredible. He sat
Speaker 6: them down and he said, if if this is what
Speaker 6: you want to do, and you can't visualize yourself happily
Speaker 6: teaching theater at a high school in when you're thirty five.
Speaker 6: Don't do it. It's the only act. If you can't
Speaker 6: not act, not exactly and in any context, in any context. God,
Speaker 6: And he's so right. It's such a great thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it is weird. I mean, like because I
Speaker 2: think that's like what my parents saw in me and
Speaker 2: my brother. You know, it's just like we had We
Speaker 2: just loved it. We just had this passion and it
Speaker 2: was so natural to us. And I'm seeing it in
Speaker 2: my son. And it's like, I don't want to crush that, right,
Speaker 2: So I can't be too negative, but I also want
Speaker 2: to be realistic. It's very difficult, it is well, so Ethan,
Speaker 2: I have a question then, going back to what we
Speaker 2: were talking about, when when you start as a young actor,
Speaker 2: can you remember some of the best advice you ever
Speaker 2: got when you were first really starting out in the industry, Show.
Speaker 6: Up on time, know your lines. Those are the two
Speaker 6: like you know, and Tom Hanks said something that I
Speaker 6: really appreciated, where it was that plus have an idea
Speaker 6: which I really like, and I think it's so much
Speaker 6: bolder than what but for forever. Somebody just said to me,
Speaker 6: you can't go wrong if you show up on time
Speaker 6: and know your lines. And like I will say, when
Speaker 6: I think of the rockiest moments in my career, and
Speaker 6: I don't mean rocky as in, like Mike, there's a
Speaker 6: precariousness about my career, but like about my behavior. I
Speaker 6: was letting those things slip. I was like, you know,
Speaker 6: running lines with a script supervisor right before shooting something,
Speaker 6: right which I think, like, that's not who I want
Speaker 6: to be as a person.
Speaker 1: You know, why was that happening at that time?
Speaker 6: Just through sheer laziness, you know, and interrationalization, Like I
Speaker 6: got to learn eight pages a day and then I'm shooting,
Speaker 6: and then I go home and I'm learning eight more pages,
Speaker 6: and like at some point it's like, well, I can
Speaker 6: learn this in five minutes with the script supervisor while
Speaker 6: they're setting up after we rehearsed, and I'm rehearsing with sides,
Speaker 6: and I just you know, later through some recovery stuff,
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, I spotted that that was just
Speaker 6: I should That's not healthy for me to do, you know,
Speaker 6: because I suddenly other stuff is slipping in my life.
Speaker 6: That otherwise I would be more responsible for and like
Speaker 6: tighten it up. But I like Tom Hanks's advice where
Speaker 6: it's like do those things and then have some idea
Speaker 6: look at the scene and bring something to it. You know, Yeah,
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 3: I love when you said if that line got cut,
Speaker 3: you were going to have to figure out another way
Speaker 3: to show internal struggle, and like as well mentioned, uh,
Speaker 3: I didn't know any of that.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 6: Well, I literally was looking at beats because one of
Speaker 6: the things I noticed, Look, this might that week might
Speaker 6: have been the most attention I ever paid to the
Speaker 6: process of how something worked. And so something I noticed
Speaker 6: was lines were changing, but broadly beats were not changing.
Speaker 6: There was the rhythm and a pace, and the the
Speaker 6: arcs of scenes were not transforming all that much. And
Speaker 6: so I was literally like, Okay, I have no idea
Speaker 6: if this goes what will come in its place? So
Speaker 6: I can't depend on the words to bring this emotion
Speaker 6: that I'm feeling is necessary for me that completes the
Speaker 6: character in the way I see him. So it was
Speaker 6: very important to me, and I was trying to find
Speaker 6: where in here, minus the words, I can put that
Speaker 6: just so that I get it out. You know it
Speaker 6: was a tricky it was a tricky first one.
Speaker 5: But the idea that you're doing that on your first
Speaker 5: job ever, I think I figured that out.
Speaker 9: Like a month ago, and so it's just to me,
Speaker 9: but it just it does.
Speaker 5: It shows I mean not to sound like I'm kissing
Speaker 5: your ass, but it just shows people are working on
Speaker 5: different levels, you know, when it comes to this industry,
Speaker 5: and you know, this was my fortieth job. I've been
Speaker 5: working since I was ten, and I was nowhere near
Speaker 5: that cognizant of the craft as you were in your
Speaker 5: first week.
Speaker 6: And it's just it's just shows some.
Speaker 9: People are just working on a different level. It's really amazing.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean I.
Speaker 2: Look back and you know, because you know, my wife
Speaker 2: is an actor and when we started dating, like I
Speaker 2: was twenty six or twenty seven, and it was so
Speaker 2: it was such a revelation for me to engage with
Speaker 2: her about acting because I was like, oh, you take
Speaker 2: this seriously in a way that I've always rejected. And
Speaker 2: what I realized is like I had this young actor
Speaker 2: sort of thing of like, well, I just show up
Speaker 2: and do It's so easy. I don't even think about it.
Speaker 2: I don't have to I don't have to work on this,
Speaker 2: And it was like such a defense mechanism, you know.
Speaker 2: And I feel like there was a culture, you know,
Speaker 2: back then, like on the set of Boy Meets World especially,
Speaker 2: there was a culture of like, don't take acting too seriously,
Speaker 2: don't take yourself too seriously, which is healthy in its
Speaker 2: own way, right, Like there are actors who get obsessive
Speaker 2: and to you know, but I think for me, like
Speaker 2: I totally just threw my arms up and was like, well,
Speaker 2: I just show up and do this thing so I
Speaker 2: don't have to think about it, and like, no, I
Speaker 2: actually you know. And when I dove into it, I
Speaker 2: started doing the work of like taking acting classes again,
Speaker 2: and like thinking about it, I was like, wow, this
Speaker 2: is a lot of work. I don't I'm not you know,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm not built for this lifestyle. I could not
Speaker 2: act and be happy, you know. So it was like, great,
Speaker 2: then I have to go do it, you know. I
Speaker 2: want to be around actors. But man, yeah, Like but
Speaker 2: it's so interesting that that back then, I feel like
Speaker 2: we had a culture like if we had taken ourselves
Speaker 2: too seriously, we would have teased one another, don't you think,
Speaker 2: will Like there was a level of.
Speaker 6: Like, yes, so listen this stuff I was thinking about
Speaker 6: and the notes I was keeping in the script that
Speaker 6: I never took out of my trailer by the way,
Speaker 6: Like you know, I would never I would never have
Speaker 6: talked to Blake about this for the reasons you're talking about,
Speaker 6: and not that I'm sure he would have made fun
Speaker 6: of me, but I felt very much that the amount
Speaker 6: of thought I was putting into it was embarrassing, so
Speaker 6: I would not. I would never have said interesting to somebody.
Speaker 6: I think that I think you're spot on. I don't
Speaker 6: think it was just the set of Boy Meets World,
Speaker 6: you know, because I think there's also like you know,
Speaker 6: like you think about Brando, or you think about even
Speaker 6: like Daniel day Lewis, or like a method actor, and
Speaker 6: it's like, okay, yeah, for my left foot, you gotta
Speaker 6: do X, Y and Z. But for Boy meets World,
Speaker 6: doing X, Y and Z is embarrassing, Like you just
Speaker 6: hit the joke. That job was my left foot. It
Speaker 6: was as important to me as any anything else. But
Speaker 6: I think that I wouldn't have openly said that, right.
Speaker 5: That's why when you talk about people like Daniel d
Speaker 5: Lewis or things you you see to give to give
Speaker 5: some flowers to sitcom and how difficult it can be.
Speaker 5: You see shows like Friends or Seinfeld or any of
Speaker 5: these big shows that will bring big movie stars on
Speaker 5: that can't.
Speaker 9: Do the three camera.
Speaker 5: It's just it's a different rhythm and and so you'll
Speaker 5: get huge actors where it's like, Okay, yeah, man, you're
Speaker 5: you're gonna win five Academy Awards, But in front of
Speaker 5: an audience sitcom, it's a totally different beast and you
Speaker 5: just you didn't figure it out.
Speaker 6: So there's a lyricism to it, there is. It's a music.
Speaker 6: If you cannot find that harmony, it's gonna suck.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, speaking of not wanting to share things
Speaker 3: out of embarrassment, you had much cooler friends than any
Speaker 3: of us had in the nineties, and we.
Speaker 9: Only have each other. You're already winning.
Speaker 3: Do you remember did any of your friends at the
Speaker 3: time think Boy Meets World was corny or like that?
Speaker 1: The fact that you were even doing that job was corny.
Speaker 6: No, just having a job was cool. Okay, just having
Speaker 6: just being gamefully employed was cool. On every single level.
Speaker 6: There was no you know, there's still no like you know,
Speaker 6: you got a friend who's going to get nominated for
Speaker 6: an Academy Award and I have a show on Amazon,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. Like, they're only like, that's
Speaker 6: great that you're working, you know, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, exactly. It's crazy that even I mean now
Speaker 1: more so than ever. Oh you have a job.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 6: Yeah, thank god you have a job. You have a
Speaker 6: story about you. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh good, you're working. That's great. I know, no matter what,
Speaker 3: it is so great. Wanted to get your opinion on
Speaker 3: the line. We talked about it a lot when we
Speaker 3: watched the episode the first time around. Wanted to get
Speaker 3: when Sean says to Tapanga, summer was very good to you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, awkward. That's another one that they could have lost.
Speaker 2: Yes, just checking you out as you walk ahead of us.
Speaker 1: It's like, uh so it was cringey for you too.
Speaker 3: I thought maybe it was just because we were too inside,
Speaker 3: but even for you, it was a little They kind
Speaker 3: of saved.
Speaker 5: It a little bit this time when I saw it
Speaker 5: with with you grabbing his mutton chops and saying, well,
Speaker 5: at least what I grew was real.
Speaker 9: Yeah, so they kind of give it back to.
Speaker 5: You a little bit, but it's still is a little
Speaker 5: ae yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: I don't know, if you know, my just particular tastes
Speaker 6: are that uh you know, and I don't like, I
Speaker 6: don't dislike lude comedy, but I don't need to see
Speaker 6: kids interacting that way. It's just not Yeah, you know,
Speaker 6: there is something And I don't know that I ever
Speaker 6: considered it at the time the only but I was
Speaker 6: also stuck in my own world. If I could have
Speaker 6: been just an observer, maybe I would have gone like,
Speaker 6: that's odd, you know. But like as a parent to
Speaker 6: girls today, I'm I'm like, you know, come on, guys,
Speaker 6: that's yeah, Like you know, I see, especially with development,
Speaker 6: just commenting on it can be so introverting to a
Speaker 6: totally or a girl. And and like, you know, I
Speaker 6: don't know, I'm not like mad that they did that joke,
Speaker 6: but I certainly it was a record a little record
Speaker 6: scratch in my mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean, when you're a kid, you're so
Speaker 3: the same way we talked about that. For you, it
Speaker 3: felt like there was all the other lights were often
Speaker 3: there was a spotlight.
Speaker 1: On you when we did that eighteen times.
Speaker 3: That's what you think people are, that's in your mind,
Speaker 3: what's happening about everything? So you're like, everyone's gonna notice,
Speaker 3: everyone's thinking about it, everyone's talking about it, and then
Speaker 3: when they actually do it just confirms.
Speaker 6: And then at twelve, what does that even mean to you?
Speaker 6: Like those words? What do those words even mean to you?
Speaker 6: Because I highly doubt that, But that's your intention, walking
Speaker 6: like you're not getting dressed, going like I gotta look
Speaker 6: sexy today, you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean?
Speaker 3: No, definitely not. Do you remember working with Lily Nixy
Speaker 3: at all? But she played Morgan, the little sister.
Speaker 6: I don't know that I ever had scenes with her.
Speaker 6: Was she okay in the house?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Mostly?
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was never in the school, so I didn't
Speaker 3: know if you remembered any experience.
Speaker 9: That's a good question. Was Lily ever not in the
Speaker 9: house ever?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: Wowyard backyard.
Speaker 6: And I also think, like, you know, you guys had
Speaker 6: parents there, but you were at an age where your
Speaker 6: parents could be like sitting up in the bleachers or
Speaker 6: at craft services. Sure parents were standing five feet away,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, Like there was no and
Speaker 6: what am I going to say to a little little
Speaker 6: kid like that? You know what I mean? There's no
Speaker 6: joking around to be done. I don't think I had
Speaker 6: any interaction with her. I don't think I ever had
Speaker 6: any interaction with her parents or anyone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, So final question for you looking back
Speaker 3: now on this episode, is there anything when you watch
Speaker 3: this episode your first job ever, that you think to yourself? Yep,
Speaker 3: I can pinpoint this week right here is where I
Speaker 3: learned blank, and I've carried it with me for the
Speaker 3: rest of my career.
Speaker 6: I learned how to be a professional actor that way.
Speaker 6: That was you know, for me prior to that, acting
Speaker 6: was spending as much time as I wanted with some material,
Speaker 6: making as many changes as I felt were necessary, trying it,
Speaker 6: feeling if that iteration felt best to me. It was
Speaker 6: really a solo pursuit or you know, in acting class
Speaker 6: where you then get critiqued by an acting teacher. But
Speaker 6: it was it was the first time that I got
Speaker 6: to experience the collaborative name nature of what it is
Speaker 6: to be a professional actor on any level. And and really,
Speaker 6: if we think about it, our jobs are always collaborative,
Speaker 6: unless we're writing our own one man show and then
Speaker 6: wearing all the hats and putting it up, or just
Speaker 6: performing it for ourselves in the mirror, which is interesting
Speaker 6: but like the in what we do, there are writers, directors.
Speaker 2: There's you know, it's a social art form.
Speaker 6: It's a social art form. It is the most collaborative
Speaker 6: art form there is because it isn't just one thing.
Speaker 6: It is everybody has a point of view on a scene,
Speaker 6: and you have to come together to make this cohesive
Speaker 6: thing that's going to communicate to people. And it was
Speaker 6: like such a powerful and transformative week where it proved
Speaker 6: that like not only could I do it, but like
Speaker 6: I could enjoy it and I could be a part
Speaker 6: of that collaboration.
Speaker 5: That's amazing because you even said before that you felt
Speaker 5: the audience's energy draining. Yeah, And that's one of the
Speaker 5: things where even the audience is part of the collaboration.
Speaker 9: They're they're part of your team.
Speaker 5: So it's you you at one point when you get
Speaker 5: this thing on its feet, You've got hundreds of people
Speaker 5: involved in making it happen, and it really is unique
Speaker 5: in that aspect.
Speaker 6: This maybe I mean you rely on their laugh. Yeah,
Speaker 6: If you're not getting that from them, you're not doing
Speaker 6: it right because you know, I know, there's a lot
Speaker 6: to say, there's applause signs and all of that which
Speaker 6: can bolster them a little bit and the warm up
Speaker 6: guy who gets them ready for it. But if they
Speaker 6: start to fade on you, there's no getting them back,
Speaker 6: and you know you got to like to make a
Speaker 6: broad left turn to try to recapture them.
Speaker 2: This might be too broad of a hypothetical, But what
Speaker 2: do you think would have happened if you hadn't come
Speaker 2: back after this week?
Speaker 6: Jesus, I don't know, you know, I if that was,
Speaker 6: if that was one and done, I have no idea.
Speaker 2: Do you think you'd feel as good about the experience
Speaker 2: like or would you feel Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, there was no expectation that I was coming back
Speaker 6: when I didn't. I didn't. There was no like you
Speaker 6: know now, when people talk to me about a TV show,
Speaker 6: that's not like you're being offered a season regular job.
Speaker 6: It's like, there's five episodes we want you to do,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. I'm not really talking to
Speaker 6: people about one episode of a television show and so like.
Speaker 6: But that back then was all I thought. It was,
Speaker 6: this is going to be five days of work, and
Speaker 6: this is my first job, and what am I going
Speaker 6: to do to prepare? And like it's all new and
Speaker 6: fascinating and I would have come away from it going like,
Speaker 6: I hope I did a good job, but coming back
Speaker 6: was icing.
Speaker 3: Ethan, where can people find you? Where can we listen
Speaker 3: to you? How can we best support you?
Speaker 6: And now I write a sub stack, which I'm having
Speaker 6: so much fun writing. You know, for a long time
Speaker 6: I did. I've been on Instagram, which limits you to
Speaker 6: like two thousand or twenty five hundred words or twenty
Speaker 6: some some. Yeah it's not twenty five hundred words. I'd
Speaker 6: be a lot. I think it's two thousand characters, okay.
Speaker 6: And I found myself writing for Instagram and always having
Speaker 6: to edit it down. So I've started just putting up
Speaker 6: essays on substack, which.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry as somebody who doesn't know anything about computers
Speaker 5: or or what that is.
Speaker 9: What is what is a substack?
Speaker 6: What is that? Substack is literally like social media for writing?
Speaker 2: Oh okay, cool, It's like basically where journalists go. Now
Speaker 2: where you can you can publish your own like your
Speaker 2: own articles and your own soft and share it.
Speaker 9: Is it substack dot com? Is that how you find that?
Speaker 6: If you wanted to find me, it would be ethansplea
Speaker 6: dot substack dot cool. But you could go to substack
Speaker 6: and search for my name, and uh, I'm having so
Speaker 6: much fun writing essays. I write an essay every week
Speaker 6: and it's all you know about my terrible mental health
Speaker 6: and my struggles with weight and addiction. And it's such
Speaker 6: a cathartic place to put ideas out into the world.
Speaker 1: Jesus so wonderful. Are you still doing your podcast?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, and American Glutton, Yeah that continues. That's like
Speaker 6: my version of a recovery meeting for obesity.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Everything that was I was on and it was awesome.
Speaker 5: It was a great experience, really cool. Thank you will Yeah,
Speaker 5: it was amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ethan, thank you so much for spending some more
Speaker 3: time with us. It's always such a joy to see you.
Speaker 3: I hope to get to see you in person again
Speaker 3: soon too. Thank you for being here with us.
Speaker 6: You later.
Speaker 5: I could talk to him for hours. I seriously could
Speaker 5: talk to him for hours. But it also just shows
Speaker 5: when he again, when he's talking about getting that first
Speaker 5: script in the past, he was just on a different.
Speaker 9: Level and I'll just speak myself, on a different level.
Speaker 5: Than me, and it showed, I mean, you could tell
Speaker 5: he was just a deeper actor who appreciated the craft
Speaker 5: right from the jump, which is something that I didn't
Speaker 5: find for twenty years in my career.
Speaker 9: It's really incredible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to join a substack. I gotta I.
Speaker 9: Gotta know what that was to me.
Speaker 5: That's just the small pancakes.
Speaker 9: So yeah, that's a short stack.
Speaker 6: That's the show. Short stack.
Speaker 9: That's what it is, right damn it.
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Speaker 5: Wait, so you're saying I need to buy some merch.
Speaker 5: I gotta think.
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