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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. Writer who's here today?

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Speaker 2: Today we're joined by none other than my brother Shilah Strong.

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Speaker 1: Yeahs so good to see you.

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Speaker 3: You always every time I see you, I go. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he lives by the beach. You've got the perfect amount

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Speaker 3: of like you get a little bit of vitamin D

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Speaker 3: every day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have behind him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah exactly, yes, yes.

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Speaker 3: Aside from the wave, but just his skin has a

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Speaker 3: nice like I've spent the perfect amount of time in

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Speaker 3: the sun's.

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Speaker 4: Right amount of pre cancerous.

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Speaker 5: I was gonna say, it's a healthy glow till you're

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Speaker 5: about sixty.

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Speaker 6: It's a problem.

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Speaker 4: I feel.

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Speaker 7: I'm super grateful because I have a little backyard I

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Speaker 7: can go and tinker around under the beach.

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Speaker 4: It's yeah, it's great, love it nice.

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Speaker 2: So I wanted to bring Shiloh on because, well, for

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Speaker 2: our listeners that'll actually know that. You know, the first

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Speaker 2: time we had Shiloh on, I think we mentioned the

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Speaker 2: fact that Shiloh lost his house gosh, twelve years ago. Shiloh,

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Speaker 2: it was fifteen years ago in a fire, one of

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Speaker 2: them really California fires. I mean, now it seems like

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Speaker 2: it's kind of a regular thing. But yeah, so we

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Speaker 2: talked about that, and then we did an episode the

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Speaker 2: week of the fires, if I remember, and we were

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Speaker 2: talking about how it was affecting the city and our

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Speaker 2: of the biggest areas that it affected is the entertainment industry.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I just have was having so many

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Speaker 2: conversations with so many people, like a friend who is

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Speaker 2: a production designer and she was working the week or

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Speaker 2: she was working the day of the fires that canceled

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Speaker 2: the shoot and then took the shoot to Atlanta. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because it was like things have to get shot things,

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Speaker 2: you know, And it wasn't really anybody's fault, but it's

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Speaker 2: just the fact of the matter is we lost a

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Speaker 2: lot of jobs. We lost a lot of.

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Speaker 5: The industry, and so that was just piling on after

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Speaker 5: losing a ton of jobs and everything else your school.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, I just kept having these conversations and Chilo

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Speaker 2: kept having these conversations, and like everybody we knew was

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Speaker 2: and Chilo actually did something about it, as opposed to

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Speaker 2: everybody else that I know and myself included. So Hilo

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Speaker 2: tell us. What you what you've started?

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Speaker 4: Please you did help?

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Speaker 7: Like this has been Yeah, it's it's been a wild

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Speaker 7: experience because I, you know, when when the fires were

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Speaker 7: just so traumatic for everybody who was so very and terrifying,

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Speaker 7: you know. And I was running around and donating and

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Speaker 7: doing all the immediate needs stuff and that's when I

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Speaker 7: was looking back to my experience when I had lost

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Speaker 7: period where you're dealing with all that immediate need of

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Speaker 7: that where you almost miss that because that's when you

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Speaker 7: start really questioning what you want to do with your life,

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Speaker 7: because it takes three months or so and that's where

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Speaker 7: you're completely lost and you have I keep using the

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Speaker 7: word opportunity, but it's not the right word, but you

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Speaker 7: have the option to get up on your life because

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Speaker 7: it's a before and after moment, especially for people in

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Speaker 7: the creative arts or in the entertainment industry. Like you

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Speaker 7: were saying, well, it's like it's been so difficult with

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Speaker 7: burns down. You know, yes, of course you're going to

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Speaker 7: move to Atlanta or New Mexico.

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Speaker 1: You know what's keeping you here?

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Speaker 7: And why fight for dream of trying to live this

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Speaker 7: creative life which everybody feels like the world's telling you,

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Speaker 7: you know, get a real job, right. Yeah, So I said, okay, wow,

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Speaker 7: I remember looking back at my period fifteen years ago,

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Speaker 7: and I was lucky enough to have Rider and you

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Speaker 7: stayed with you a month, I think when I was

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Speaker 7: industry and filmmaking world was really helpful. And that's when

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Speaker 7: Ryder and I started making our short films and we

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Speaker 7: Trace back to that moment when it really helped me,

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Speaker 7: that supportive community. And I said, okay, well, that's something

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Speaker 7: I know is going to happen to a lot of

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Speaker 7: at this moment we're in right now, right a few

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Speaker 7: had some money set aside because I was going to

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Speaker 7: work on my short film. And I was like, Yeah,

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Speaker 7: that's going to feel good. And then I said, Okay,

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Speaker 7: that's a better idea than my short film. So I

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Speaker 7: took that money and I've built out a nonprofit because

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Speaker 7: I didn't know how to do that, but I hired

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Speaker 7: whole path of how to do this. And been getting

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Speaker 7: out the website and learning so much and it's just

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Speaker 7: raise money to fund We're going for ten short film

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Speaker 7: projects and these would be by filmmakers or people who

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Speaker 7: want to make films who were affected by the fires,

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Speaker 7: and we'll be able to give them grants and the

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Speaker 7: support and then ultimately have a festival showcase in January

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Speaker 7: of next year where we could all scream them. And

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Speaker 7: so it's all about, you know, reviving the creative spirit

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Speaker 7: creative people and saying you know that, you know, the

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Speaker 7: arts really are important for you know, recovery, just as

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Speaker 7: much as getting a roof over your head, you know, especially,

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Speaker 7: you know, it's so much about Los Angeles and the world. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: so that's been my life since then. It's been super

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Speaker 3: We hear a lot on the internet the word triggered,

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Speaker 3: and it's always it's most of the time said in

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Speaker 1: Oh were you triggered? Or I'm really feeling triggered.

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Speaker 3: This is such a perfect example, like, there's no way

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Speaker 3: those fires or every major fire we have in Los

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Speaker 3: Angeles or in California isn't triggering for you who lost

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Speaker 3: everything fifteen years ago. And to take that triggering and

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Speaker 3: go ooh, it's bringing me right back to my experience.

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Speaker 3: How can I use this experience that you know, only

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Speaker 3: a certain number of people know what it feels like

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Speaker 3: to make a difference for every person in our community

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Speaker 3: moving forward, and what you've done with it is just

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Speaker 3: so incredible, Like it's so inspiring.

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Speaker 1: How can how can everybody help? What?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 1: Where's? Where can people go? What can people? What can

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Speaker 4: That's great? Thanks? Yes?

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Speaker 7: Uh yeah, I mean we have a website ashestefilms dot org.

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Speaker 8: And the interest of that name now, thanks, Yeah, that's

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Speaker 8: the that's the name of the festival and the whole

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Speaker 8: grant program. Yeah, if you go to the website and

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Speaker 8: so sign up to our our email list. But I mean,

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Speaker 8: really we're just trying to get followers and trying to

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Speaker 8: get people out there to know about it. That's why

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Speaker 8: you guys having me on to to be able to

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Speaker 8: talk about it, because you know, we're just I feel

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Speaker 8: like this could be something really amazing for you know,

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Speaker 8: not just the entertainment community, but for our in general

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Speaker 8: and recognizing how important you know, I know, art is

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Speaker 8: such a major part of my life and I'm so

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Speaker 8: grateful that I've been able to live a life of

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Speaker 8: keep pursuing that dream, you know, because I feel like

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Speaker 8: that is the first thing that gets lost when we

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Speaker 8: and you know, that is the core what it means

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Speaker 8: to be a human being, you know, is to explore

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Speaker 4: And so yeah, so yeah, the Instagram.

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Speaker 7: If anybody can follow us on our Instagram, that would

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Speaker 7: just be amazing and spread the word.

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Speaker 4: And I'm trying to find and finding filmmakers.

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Speaker 8: That's what's been so amazing about this is, you know,

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Speaker 8: hearing from people that have applied online.

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Speaker 4: So if there's a filmmaker who wants to make.

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Speaker 7: A film or is affected by these fires, or knows

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Speaker 7: somebody who wants to make a film, like you know,

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Speaker 7: just grab somebody who lost their house and say like,

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Speaker 4: A movie like there.

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Speaker 7: Like it's all about building the community of people together

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Speaker 2: You know, if I remember correctly, one of your inspirations

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Speaker 2: You know, it's like, it's an amazing festival. It launched

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Speaker 7: So yeah, yeah, yeah, that would be the.

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Speaker 5: I mean, the fires we were awful, obviously, and it

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's people don't realize because you know, you

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Speaker 9: But what people don't realize.

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Speaker 5: Is that none of that, like almost literally none of

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Speaker 5: around the country or around the world, which again is

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Speaker 5: great for those states. But you see, you don't realize

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Speaker 5: the number of people that are out of work here,

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Speaker 5: from makeup artists to caterers to set decorators, to artists

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Speaker 5: to directors.

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Speaker 9: It's not just like, wow, the actors aren't working.

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Speaker 5: There's thousands of people out of work, and then the

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Speaker 5: fires hit and people are just going why are we

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Speaker 5: even here anymore trying to create in this city. And

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Speaker 5: then there's people like you Shadow WHI You're amazing, which

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Speaker 5: is like, nope, we can come back, let's go, let's

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Speaker 5: start again. And it's really really as amazing and just

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Speaker 5: the perfect name good its.

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Speaker 9: Right, just the perfect name for or it. So yeah,

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Speaker 9: this is this is really incredible.

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Speaker 6: Okay.

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Speaker 3: So the Instagram is also ashes to films, Yes, exactly, Okay, great,

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Speaker 3: and so you can join the Instagram and I love that.

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Speaker 1: Like you said, there's really.

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Speaker 3: No one that's excluded from this because you don't have

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Speaker 3: We're pushing that. We're pushing that heavy ball up the

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Speaker 4: Exactly. Thank you guys, so much, so good.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Albert De Niro Junior. Thank you Shiloh, It's

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Speaker 1: always good to see you. By Wow, that's so cool.

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Speaker 9: You said it nicer than I did, Danielle.

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Speaker 5: So it's amazing, it really is really so are you

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Speaker 3: Please check it out, join the Instagram. Please welcome to

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Speaker 3: worlder to revisit season two, Episode one, back to School,

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Speaker 3: since childhood. Welcome back to Pod Meets World. The One

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Speaker 6: Hello, Hello, Hello guys. Sorry I'm just exing out of

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Speaker 3: It's not as bad as the battery on a fire alarm.

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Speaker 1: We silent and believe I feel like.

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Speaker 6: Danielle, you just said, wow, there's no traffic on the freeway.

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Speaker 6: You know what you've done to yourself?

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Speaker 3: You know it's you believe then maybe I'm jinx myself,

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Speaker 5: In to all the batteries, you actually haven't had smoke

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Speaker 3: That's the thing, right, perfect, Ethan, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: We are thrilled to see you again.

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Speaker 6: Thanks for having me back. Guys. It means I didn't

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Speaker 6: You know, I remember that was my first job.

445
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 1: It's job, so you look so comfortable.

446
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,959
Speaker 6: Which, by the way, guys, you know, like okay, like

447
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,160
Speaker 6: that's my first job and all, like you know, it's

448
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 6: thirty years ago. Is thirty years ago? I think initially

449
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 6: now thirty years right, we thought you.

450
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 2: Were so experienced because you were older than us. You

451
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 2: were like, oh, the guy who knows everything.

452
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 6: I mean and and and I felt like, don't mess

453
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,400
Speaker 6: up because you have no idea really what you're doing.

454
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 6: You were in one high school play and you're kind

455
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 6: of attracted to this idea of acting and you went

456
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,200
Speaker 6: to an acting class for a minute, but I don't

457
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 6: know what the hell right television, Like, I don't know

458
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,679
Speaker 6: how to do anything, and I think, so I'm looking

459
00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 6: at it entirely through that lens of like, look at

460
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 6: this guy who has no idea what's going on. I remember,

461
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 6: you know, hearing about tape night and how we're gonna

462
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 6: get maybe two shots at doing something, so really know

463
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 6: your stuff, hit your marks, and then trainer reshot me saying, well,

464
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 6: what do you call me? Gay? Like seventeen times we

465
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 6: did that over and over and over again, and I

466
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 6: thought like, I thought, like I'm ruining this because I

467
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 6: was getting notes every time, and I was like the

468
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,360
Speaker 6: I could feel the audience's energy dissipating.

469
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 3: Really wow, in front of the audience, you did it

470
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 3: that many times over and it.

471
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 4: Was just your section.

472
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 2: They just wanted to keep doing that or.

473
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 6: I don't know if it. I mean, listen, this.

474
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,880
Speaker 2: Is a big scene. We could have done the scene

475
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 2: a million times because yes.

476
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 6: But through the narcissistic glasses that it exists on my head.

477
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 5: It was all me everything, which all the other lights

478
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,400
Speaker 5: it was just one.

479
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: We could go take a nap, get out.

480
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 6: Yes, and in fact, you nobody was in the scene.

481
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 6: It was just me and trainer and trainers the nicest

482
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 6: guy but in the nicest way. He was like saying,

483
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:17,360
Speaker 6: like stop up.

484
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:18,360
Speaker 2: He wasn't at all.

485
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 6: He was such a sweetheart, but like, yeah, I thought so, no,

486
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 6: no he did not know.

487
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 2: He knows that I know, but I don't remember having

488
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 2: to do this. But like, all I remember is you

489
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 2: being a completely professional and everybody knowing it and everybody being.

490
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 6: Like wow ethan actor, Like yeah, I really. I remember

491
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 6: going like we're gonna do this twice at the most,

492
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 6: like so don't mess up, and then on like this

493
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 6: fifteenth time, I was like I'm finished.

494
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 4: Like I don't coming back.

495
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

496
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 5: Act, you're just so insecure to hear just how insecure

497
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 5: we all are all the time.

498
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it's the worst, dude, it's the worst. Every

499
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 6: job ob is my last job. That was my first

500
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 6: and last job, and I can't believe I survived it.

501
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 2: Actually, have you been fired before? Like, have you lost

502
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 2: a job?

503
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 6: Like I've never been fired. There was one pretty good

504
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 6: There was a pilot that I came in to replace

505
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 6: somebody on Okay, and they shot the pilot screened the

506
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 6: test of the pilot and were like, we need to

507
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 6: replace this guy.

508
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 9: And then they replaced you.

509
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 6: Well, they didn't. They offered, they offered to replace me,

510
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 6: They offered my role. They were like, let's reshoot it

511
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 6: again for the third time, and let's get Rob Riggle

512
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 6: to play Ethan's role. And then he ultimately turned it

513
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 6: down and then the whole show went away. Oh geez,

514
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 6: So I mean like kind of almost fired.

515
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like most actors, especially ones at

516
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 2: work for thirty years, you know, get fired at some

517
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 2: point because it's like it's so often not about you,

518
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 2: you know, and listen to sometimes.

519
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 6: I had Blake, who was the seasoned pro veteran that

520
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 6: that I like felt comfortable talking to because we were

521
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 6: like kind of on the same level and we had

522
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 6: seen so many scenes together, and he was like, oh,

523
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 6: people get fired all the time. He told me. He

524
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 6: was like, you know, I don't want to say names,

525
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 6: but so and so this kid who's around our age,

526
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 6: who you know, was like well thought of, was like

527
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 6: walked after a after a network run through one day,

528
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 6: he walked into his trailer, had a stack of thirteen

529
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 6: checks and was gone, yeah, and I was like, that

530
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 6: doesn't sound so bad. It's not the worst, but yeh,

531
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 6: being tired sucks. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

532
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 3: I I've now as a director, I've had to be

533
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 3: on the other side of it.

534
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 9: She had to fire somebody.

535
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 3: I have never fired anybody, because it's not as a

536
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 3: director of TV.

537
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 1: It's the producer's job.

538
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 3: But I have had to be involved in the conversations

539
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 3: where they're like, wasn't a great table read?

540
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: What are we going to do? And it's like, let

541
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: me have a day, let me take you know, let

542
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: me have this day, let me see.

543
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 3: Tell me what you're looking for, you know, show me

544
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 3: what you liked about the audition tape. Show tell me

545
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 3: what it is that you're looking because you know, when

546
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 3: as the director, when I sit down at a table

547
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 3: read and somebody's like really big and broad and super

548
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 3: over the top, I think, oh, that's why they cast them.

549
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: They must have loved that. And then afterward they're like,

550
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: what was that? And I'm like, oh, wait, well.

551
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 3: How is this different? So I need you to tell

552
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 3: me then what are you looking for? If that wasn't it,

553
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 3: what are you looking for? And then still, sometimes you know,

554
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 3: you get you get a day of rehearsal and the

555
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 3: producer see it and they go, Nope, it's not what

556
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 3: I want or was.

557
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: So interesting because like the example that you just gave,

558
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: like you know, is one of those things that I

559
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 2: feel like if an inexperienced producer might just see a

560
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 2: bad performance be like, oh my god, it's over, it's over.

561
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 2: We can't. But a director, a good producer, a good

562
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 2: director can see a performance and like an the example

563
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 2: you gave, if somebody's too big, that's actually a good problem,

564
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 2: that's get it back. If somebody is too small, that's

565
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 2: a scarier problem because then you're like they might not commit,

566
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 2: they might not have it in them to even show,

567
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 2: you know, go for it. And that's what like, so

568
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 2: it's like different problems that you have to gauge and

569
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: be like this person's never going to get there, maybe

570
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 2: whereas this person we can probably get them there, you know,

571
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 2: and like you have to figure out what that what that.

572
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 5: We were also conditioned after season one that nobody's job

573
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 5: was safe.

574
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 9: I mean we just saw people fired every week.

575
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 3: I was there having replaced somebody to replace somebody fired.

576
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we were just we we there was a

577
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 5: third best friend for five episodes in a row. They

578
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 5: kept trying it and trying, and the kid would make

579
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 5: it as far as like, wow, they almost made it

580
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 5: to the second run.

581
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 2: Through, and then the fact that Lee didn't come back,

582
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 2: and then starting the season with somebody who we considered

583
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 2: part of our cohort, and it was like, oh, it's

584
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:51,959
Speaker 2: just as easily happened to anyone of them.

585
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's what a business to get into.

586
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, in all fairness, if you can't handle being

587
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 5: fired by eleven, what good are you?

588
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 6: Right, that's the lesson we all know.

589
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what we're taking away from this. Ethan.

590
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 3: You have since, of course, gone on to have a

591
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 3: very successful career.

592
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: You've worked with some of the best directors.

593
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 3: You are as you mentioned, the greenest green you could

594
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 3: possibly be in this episode, did you like what do

595
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 3: you remember any specific notes you were given, either by

596
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 3: David Trainer or by Michael, Like, was there any specific

597
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 3: performance thing you felt like they were trying to get

598
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 3: out of you?

599
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 6: Well, I remember at the first run through, and I'm

600
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 6: trying to think back on how it worked that first episode,

601
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 6: but because at some point there was like a table

602
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 6: read and then no run through and then everybody went home.

603
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 6: Rights later the.

604
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 3: First day of the week, Friday, we got there, do

605
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 3: a table read, have a light little rehearsal during the day,

606
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 3: and then go home and on Monday come back in

607
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 3: for another full rehearsal and then a producer run through.

608
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 2: But actually, I think what you've been saying is that

609
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 2: by like season three, we didn't even do Friday rehearsal.

610
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 6: It was later.

611
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 9: We went as a team and Friday, yet.

612
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 6: There was rehearsal after the table reader. Correct, yes, okay,

613
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 6: So I remember the line that I had that got

614
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 6: the biggest laugh was what are you saying I'm gay?

615
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,479
Speaker 6: It's so non sequitur, it's so ridiculous, and it's so

616
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 6: spoke to what I thought Frankie was dealing with internally

617
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 6: that he then is like, that's his jab, like you know,

618
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 6: because this is before we know about poetry or anything

619
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 6: like that, which became very interesting. But like I got

620
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 6: to play with all of this internal stuff because of

621
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 6: that line. And in the very first rehearsal, David Traynor

622
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 6: was like, that'll be gone. That line's going to be gone,

623
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 6: and I was like, wait why, and he was like,

624
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 6: somebody will take offense to that line, that line is

625
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,239
Speaker 6: going to be gone, and I was like, I was

626
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 6: like kind of devastated because that line I felt communicated

627
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 6: the most pathos about this character. Yeah, and and then

628
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 6: I just kept waiting, you know, I didn't know again,

629
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 6: I didn't know how anything worked. So, uh, Friday night

630
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 6: or Saturday, when I woke up to a Manila envelope

631
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 6: with rewrites, I was like, Oh, stuff is gonna change.

632
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 6: And I looked through it and that was the line

633
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 6: and that line hadn't been gone. But I kept kind

634
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 6: of waiting, like somebody's gonna be bummed out about this

635
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 6: and take this line out, and I then have to

636
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 6: figure out how to communicate what I thought that line

637
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 6: was communicating without those words. So I was really stressed.

638
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 6: And then even during the uh, the the taping, they

639
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 6: were changing stuff and I was like, Oh, these guys

640
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 6: are not quitting. Like what we've we've done. This is

641
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 6: like the eighth iteration of tweaks and changes and whole

642
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,959
Speaker 6: new speeches and monologues, and like jokes are gone and

643
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 6: stuff isn't and that line is still there. And I

644
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 6: felt unsafe. And then on the seventeenth time of doing

645
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 6: that scene, I was like, just okay, kill the line.

646
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 6: Is it that line that's ruining it? Is that bringing

647
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 6: everybody down, Like I just was so antsy about everything.

648
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 2: So amazing that because it's actually that line and your

649
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 2: delivery that is your job security. Because it's a joke.

650
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: The way it's written is like I think they meant

651
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: it as like just a big joke turn like the

652
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 2: big scary guy is actually worried that he's gay. Aha,

653
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: But because you played it with such cathos and such

654
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: confusion and such commitment, it was like, oh, there's something

655
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 2: actually going on with that was the most meaningful. Yeah,

656
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 2: it's so it's you see like such honest fragility and

657
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: like openness in your character that you're like, there's more

658
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: going on there and I want to know everything. So

659
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: the joke became why Frankie stuck around because of your delivery.

660
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no way they could cut that line.

661
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: It's amazing that you had any any insecurity about.

662
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,719
Speaker 6: It, because it's like, well, I just again I didn't

663
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 6: know how anything. So when line started coming and going,

664
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,959
Speaker 6: I was like, nothing is safe. My job is not safe.

665
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 6: I can be fired, they can take wasn't wrong?

666
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: That line could have been cut just just using the

667
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 2: word gay was on a kids show, like you know

668
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 2: at that time was like WHOA, well you don't want

669
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 2: to go there, so.

670
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think you can do it today, Like

671
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 6: now you can't. You can't sell that line, not as

672
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 6: a joke. No on on My name is Earl. We

673
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 6: had a line that that uh one of the UH

674
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 6: producers like fought with the network about and then ultimately

675
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 6: it got to stay. Also couldn't stay, but it it

676
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 6: went to like again my character's naivete and sweetness, where

677
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 6: We're going to a carnival and Earle says like, like

678
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 6: that carnival, it's a bunch of like criminals and I'm like,

679
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 6: I don't know. They've got the world's tallest midget at

680
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 6: that carnival. And Earl says like, Earl's like that's just

681
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 6: the short guy. And I'm like, I don't know, Earl,

682
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 6: he's pretty tall, you know. Like I'm not doing the

683
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 6: joke justice, but it's not demeaning to that just the

684
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 6: concept says more about what I'm thinking about myself than

685
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 6: trying to demean somebody. And I felt that way about

686
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 6: the what do you what do you call me Galen Like.

687
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 6: It's not putting a negative flare on anybody else, it's

688
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 6: literally my own insecurity of like, I've got a lot

689
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 6: going on inside and are you are you seeing it? Yeah?

690
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 6: Did you?

691
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 3: Did you spot it?

692
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: I exposed something?

693
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, that just reminds me of that.

694
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 5: That's the same with the Simpsons line where he calls

695
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 5: most Tavaris his most tavern home of the world's smallest

696
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 5: large screen TV.

697
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's that same kind of joke.

698
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of notes, we never I don't think we've

699
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 3: ever directly asked somebody this, But do you remember your

700
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 3: first post run through note session with Michael?

701
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 6: I mean, I feel like they're a little bit of

702
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 6: a blur, but I do remember Michael talking to me

703
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 6: and and I remember just, you know, like whoa, the

704
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 6: attention is on me, and he's such like a funny, nice,

705
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 6: yet severe kind of guy all at the same time,

706
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 6: like amiable and yet like would hit you with something,

707
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 6: not in a mean way, but like powerful, you know.

708
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 6: So I don't remember. That's one of the.

709
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 3: Best, the best descriptions of Michael I've ever heard.

710
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, he was, I mean, he was, he was.

711
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 5: He certainly commanded respect and so there was that moment

712
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 5: we talked about the actor. All the other lights being

713
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 5: shut off on the stage and the spotlights on you.

714
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 6: That's what it was like.

715
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 5: In a note session, you'd hear your name or you'd

716
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 5: see The thing I remember was you would come to

717
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 5: a scene you were in and you'd look down at

718
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 5: the page during a note session and be like, all right,

719
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 5: I have a line seven lines from now. I wonder

720
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 5: if Michael's going to say my name and call out

721
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 5: whatever the line was, and you'd start to feel that anxiety.

722
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 5: It would kid, it would and then if he went

723
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 5: past it and it's like oh okay, like he didn't

724
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 5: say my name, he didn't you have him.

725
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 6: You'd have a pause and you'd know like, well, three

726
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 6: pages from now, it's going to happen again, exactly.

727
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

728
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 9: It was, man, you were on your toes the entire time.

729
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 5: And I was always amazed at the number of guest stars,

730
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 5: you know, one shot actors that would come up to

731
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 5: us after the note session.

732
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 9: And go is it like that? After every run through?

733
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 5: It was something they had never experienced before on any

734
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 5: other show, Like wait, do you really sit there for

735
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 5: an hour?

736
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 9: An hour and a half and he goes through every line.

737
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 9: It's like yep, every day And.

738
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: It was like he was my first job too.

739
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 3: Other than you know, I had done some guest spots

740
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 3: on Full House, but it was certainly my and I.

741
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: So I just thought, Wow, this is how they do

742
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: this is how every show does it. I didn't know.

743
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 1: I didn't know any different.

744
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, it's it amazes me because the imagine

745
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 6: the amount of like care that everybody had. Who was

746
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 6: the stage manager it was at gal Lynn McCracken was

747
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 6: so awesome, yeah, and so maternal and like caring and

748
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 6: loving and like so I never there was never a

749
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 6: point where I felt like I didn't know where to

750
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 6: go because she'd always give me the heads up and

751
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 6: I was like, thank God for her. And I really

752
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 6: felt like she's doing this because she knows I don't.

753
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 6: I have no idea what's going on. And then cut

754
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 6: to you know, thirty years later, where they're still treating

755
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 6: me the exact same way as though, you know, like

756
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 6: here's where the is and.

757
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 9: Yes, exactly, this is your dressing actors.

758
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 6: Right, And I really thought it was her recognizing looking

759
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 6: out for you and so and and you know, it

760
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 6: definitely waned once i'd been there for a while, it

761
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 6: wasn't as hardcore. But then on my very next job,

762
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, wait, are you guys gonna always

763
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 6: treat me like a child, Like you don't really need

764
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 6: this anymore? You know?

765
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 3: My gosh, it's so true. You debut here as Frankie Stacchino,

766
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 3: the muscle of the John Adams High School system of bullies,

767
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 3: and you're paired with your mouthpiece, Blake Senate as Joey

768
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 3: the Rat. Do you remember feeling chemistry with Blake right away?

769
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 6: Yes, we kind of bonded, but it was like you know,

770
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 6: two guys who are in prison and assigned to the

771
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 6: same cell, you know what I mean. Like it was

772
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 6: just kind of like, well, you and I are in

773
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 6: scenes together, Huh, I'm brand new. You've got like I'm

774
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 6: just going to leach on to you and follow your

775
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 6: lead and whatever you do. And you know, it got

776
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 6: a little dangerous because I've feel like his sense of

777
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,439
Speaker 6: humor was was riskier than mine, and so I kind

778
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 6: of fell into like, Okay, that's the tone, that's what

779
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 6: you do, and you know, which is fine for a

780
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 6: guy who knows what he's doing and has been doing

781
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 6: it for years, but for a guy who was brand new.

782
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 6: I was also a little bit scared and trepidaceous, like

783
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 6: are we allowed to make that joke? Is that too crass?

784
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 6: There's kids, weird kids, like what are we doing here?

785
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 6: You know? But yeah, that he was really my kind

786
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 6: of touch point. Yeah, most of my experience first.

787
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: Week so funny.

788
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 3: And when we talked to him about it, you know,

789
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 3: finding out that so much of his stuff was literally

790
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 3: just like I need I'm gonna do anything I can

791
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 3: to book this job.

792
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: I don't care.

793
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 3: I don't care about the job, I don't care about

794
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 3: any I'm just and I'm gonna so I'm just gonna

795
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 3: try something.

796
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw something out there.

797
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 3: And and it was sticking often enough that he was

798
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 3: working regularly early and I think, yeah, he just got

799
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,919
Speaker 3: to a point where like, the more risks I take,

800
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 3: the better things turn out. So yeah, his sense of

801
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 3: humor really cracks me up. Was the dry, sarcastic delivery

802
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 3: something that reflected you in real life or is that

803
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 3: just something that came up for this character and has

804
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 3: kind of stuck around with you ever since?

805
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 6: No, No, that felt very natural to me. Okay, I

806
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 6: like that, you know. Like talking earlier, Rider was saying,

807
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 6: like the big you can turn it down, but the

808
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 6: small it's hard to turn up. And I think that

809
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 6: I relate to that so much because a lot of

810
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 6: my life is spent in fear, and I am so

811
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 6: unwilling sometimes to like go bold, So I will play

812
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 6: to subtlety more because it feels safer, which is not

813
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 6: a great thing to admit, you know what I mean. Like,

814
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 6: I recognize this is a flaw of mine that I

815
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 6: work on, but but I think that that's a big

816
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 6: part of it is that, like I, you know, I

817
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 6: have a bunch of stuff I'm working through mentally, and

818
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 6: so if I can find a way to do it small,

819
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 6: I would much rather do it small.

820
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 3: Okay, looking at this episode now, with all the experience

821
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 3: that you have thirty years, thirty plus years of experience,

822
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 3: did you have any notes for young Ethan?

823
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: Oh?

824
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 6: Wow, I mean no, I watched it with grace. I'm

825
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 6: trying very hard to give myself grace, you know, I do.

826
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 9: Danielle have several Danielle has several notes.

827
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 6: I would love I would love you, you know, I went.

828
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 6: I don't tend to watch stuff that I'm in and

829
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 6: you know, like even like now, the whole routine is

830
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 6: like if there's like a really good movie you want

831
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 6: to do that, they're not calling you to say, like

832
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 6: be be in our movie. You have to send them

833
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 6: a tape like yeah, that's kind of the landscape of

834
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 6: acting right now. I can't even bring myself to watch those,

835
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 6: so I wind up sending in ten versions of something,

836
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 6: which is which is not great for my agents who

837
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 6: have to then they pass on. Yeah, right, But so

838
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 6: like watching it, I kind of wanted to go like,

839
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 6: this is from a long time ago. There there is

840
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 6: no saving the car wreck. If I watch it and

841
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 6: perceive this to be a trained derailment and decapitations of

842
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 6: human beings, like they're dead, there is no saving them.

843
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 6: I just have to be I have to bear witness

844
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 6: and I have to give grace to the to what

845
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 6: I'm watching because, you know, beyond everything, it means something

846
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 6: to people, Like so many people love this show. It

847
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 6: astonishes me to this day how many people watch this

848
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 6: show how and it and it meant something profound to them?

849
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 6: You know what I mean? This is not like this

850
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 6: is not lightlifting, This is like, this is an impact

851
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 6: on many people's lives, so I have to give grace

852
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 6: to those people too because it's meaningful for them. So

853
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 6: I'm not watching it critically, right.

854
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 5: That's one of the things we, you know, struggle with

855
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 5: week by week is because we do the same thing

856
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 5: where it's kind of like, Okay, we have to balance

857
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 5: this idea that it was important to people, it mattered,

858
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 5: it was thirty years ago. Some of the jokes, some

859
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 5: of the stuff is going to be outdated. It's just

860
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 5: the way it is. But it's also as actors, we

861
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 5: look back and we're critical of ourselves and that's what

862
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 5: we do, and that tends to then be you know,

863
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 5: we take what we do in our regular lives and

864
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 5: we then apply it to the past as if it's

865
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 5: going to help. So, you know, Danielle's a director, She's

866
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 5: going to watch the show now maybe through the eyes

867
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 5: of a director. Writer's a writer, he's going to say,

868
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 5: why did they do this with the story and that.

869
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 9: So we're constantly going.

870
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 5: Well, we have to watch it as the people we are,

871
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 5: but at the same time, we also have to remember

872
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 5: what it was, what the time was, and that could

873
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,439
Speaker 5: be a struggle. I mean, there's times where I will

874
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 5: listen back to a podcast we've done that even the show.

875
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 9: I'll listen back to a podcast we've done and be like, damn,

876
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 9: we tore that apart and maybe we shouldn't.

877
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 5: And the episode you picked is kind of a perfect

878
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 5: example because straight from the end of season one right

879
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 5: into season two, we didn't take a break. We called

880
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 5: it dropshock. It was just watching two different shows. But

881
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 5: now going back and looking at this episode again, this

882
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 5: was a great episode of Boy Meets World. I mean,

883
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 5: I mean, no, I was terrible, but but again I

884
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 5: go back, though you're god.

885
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: Like, by season three, you were just a completely different actor. Wells,

886
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: here's one of the reasons why young will like trying

887
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 2: to figuring it out, figuring it out, and it's like

888
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 2: you're trying so many different things, but it's like you're

889
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: just not comfortable in a way, like well by season

890
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: I guess maybe it was halfway through this season through

891
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 2: season two somewhere starting.

892
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 5: But it's also exactly what Ethan said before, where he's

893
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 5: like this one line in the script was the pathos

894
00:43:59,440 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 5: for the.

895
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,959
Speaker 9: Care None of that never came into my head.

896
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 5: I was sitting there going like, oh, if I go

897
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 5: if I say, Cory this loud, maybe someone will laugh

898
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 5: and my hair look good.

899
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 9: Like That's as far as I took it.

900
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 1: It was also a literal.

901
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 3: You know, we've learned a lot about young Will over

902
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 3: the years of knowing him and certainly of doing this podcast.

903
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 3: This was Will's every day was Will's dream coming true. Yeah,

904
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 3: and we all had that underlying fear that at any

905
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 3: second this could get taken away for any number of reasons.

906
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 3: We get replaced, we get fired, the show gets canceled,

907
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 3: and an episode doesn't go well, Michael doesn't like us,

908
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 3: the director has a hard time, whatever the reason is.

909
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 3: And every day Will was just like, how do I

910
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 3: how do I make sure that my every day I

911
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 3: get to come back tomorrow?

912
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 5: Well?

913
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: Can I get Yes?

914
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 6: I have to do to make sure.

915
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 5: I mean, my brother's the joke my brothers would say

916
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 5: to me when I would go home first season was

917
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 5: they're gonna be Chucky Cunningham. You.

918
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 9: They're going to Chucky Cunningham.

919
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 5: You.

920
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 9: And it's like again for people that you don't know

921
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 9: what that is.

922
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 5: Richie Cunningham on Happy Days had an older brother who

923
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 5: one day he grabbed a basketball, walked upstairs and you

924
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 5: never saw him again, so that was their joke for me,

925
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 5: and in my head.

926
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 9: It was like this is there, this could go, this

927
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 9: could go, and I had already replaced another Eric.

928
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 5: And then it was the you guys come in, and

929
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 5: the three of you were so good and so just

930
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 5: natural and it worked. And the dynamic between Corey and

931
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 5: then the bullies because also when they cast Danny, who's

932
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 5: still to this day, you turn it on, you go,

933
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 5: that guy's thirty five, so he might not have been,

934
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 5: but the idea that you put him next to Corey

935
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 5: and they're both in the same school is so dynamic.

936
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 5: And then you put you and Joey next to the

937
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 5: and you kind of can start going like, yeah, you

938
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 5: could phase Eric out, it wouldn't might not.

939
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 2: Be that big if you didn't have ye Honestly, I

940
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 2: think so you guys became the bet story because you

941
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 2: and Bill had such chemistry as characters. If you didn't

942
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 2: find that gone to dude. Yep, no, I agree, because

943
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 2: it's yeah, but.

944
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 6: You have kind of thing seems utterly insane to me

945
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 6: to put children through, right, doesn't it not.

946
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 2: It's like a show Russian Roulette sort of like yeah,

947
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 2: I know.

948
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 6: Yes, I was saying to somebody today, like, I just

949
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 6: thank god every day none of my kids are interested

950
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 6: in the otay because it's just it's just insane. Yeah.

951
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 3: I think about when we were in contract negotiations for Topanga,

952
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 3: when I was like, Okay, the big excuse for why

953
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 3: they could never pay me the same as any of

954
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 3: the other characters on the show was well, we weren't

955
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 3: intending on Topega being a regular character, And by the

956
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 3: time we got to season four, it was like, well

957
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 3: you should know by now, right, she's been involved since

958
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 3: episode four. It's now season four, and I still remember

959
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 3: my dad and Judy Savage doing my contract negotiations and

960
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 3: me just looking at my dad and Judy and saying,

961
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 3: I don't.

962
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: Care what they pay me.

963
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 3: If you lose this job for me, I will never

964
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 3: forgive you. And yet of course they need to do

965
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 3: right by me, like they can't have me be taken

966
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 3: advantage of. I just can't imagine. I truly like having

967
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 3: kids now of my own. I cannot imagine.

968
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 5: Well, I told you my dad, my dad turning down

969
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 5: saved by the bell without telling me what the new

970
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 5: class when I was fifteen, had he not done that,

971
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 5: I never would have.

972
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 9: Gotten boy Me's world. I'm still pissed my dad turning

973
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 9: down Save without Unforgivable, Still like, are you kidding me?

974
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 6: What are you doing?

975
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 5: So it's a crazy Lord of the Flies world that

976
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 5: you love when you're in, but when you do step

977
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 5: back and you kind of look at it, you get

978
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 5: out of the bubble and you look at it, it's insane.

979
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: I mean it's crazy.

980
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 6: It's a real crazy life to live.

981
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 9: Yeah, it is, man, wow.

982
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 6: But the highs are very high, oh yeah, when it's

983
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 6: working the lows.

984
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 2: I'm also just I'm looking at my son, who's he's

985
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 2: just such an actor.

986
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 9: Yeah, he's ten.

987
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: Years old and he sings like crazy. He's so talented

988
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: and he loves it. It's like what am I supposed to?

989
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 5: You know?

990
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 2: And I'm like, you're not going to go on camera, dude?

991
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 2: But he's like why not? And I'm like, you know,

992
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 2: I don't know how long I can hold him if

993
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: he's doing theater, you know he's doing.

994
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 6: Have you even have you watched what Ethan Hawk talks

995
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 6: about his kids wanting to It's it's incredible. He sat

996
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 6: them down and he said, if if this is what

997
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 6: you want to do, and you can't visualize yourself happily

998
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 6: teaching theater at a high school in when you're thirty five.

999
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 6: Don't do it. It's the only act. If you can't

1000
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 6: not act, not exactly and in any context, in any context. God,

1001
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 6: And he's so right. It's such a great thing.

1002
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it is weird. I mean, like because I

1003
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 2: think that's like what my parents saw in me and

1004
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 2: my brother. You know, it's just like we had We

1005
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 2: just loved it. We just had this passion and it

1006
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: was so natural to us. And I'm seeing it in

1007
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 2: my son. And it's like, I don't want to crush that, right,

1008
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 2: So I can't be too negative, but I also want

1009
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 2: to be realistic. It's very difficult, it is well, so Ethan,

1010
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: I have a question then, going back to what we

1011
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 2: were talking about, when when you start as a young actor,

1012
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 2: can you remember some of the best advice you ever

1013
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 2: got when you were first really starting out in the industry, Show.

1014
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 6: Up on time, know your lines. Those are the two

1015
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 6: like you know, and Tom Hanks said something that I

1016
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 6: really appreciated, where it was that plus have an idea

1017
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 6: which I really like, and I think it's so much

1018
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 6: bolder than what but for forever. Somebody just said to me,

1019
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:29,919
Speaker 6: you can't go wrong if you show up on time

1020
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 6: and know your lines. And like I will say, when

1021
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 6: I think of the rockiest moments in my career, and

1022
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 6: I don't mean rocky as in, like Mike, there's a

1023
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 6: precariousness about my career, but like about my behavior. I

1024
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 6: was letting those things slip. I was like, you know,

1025
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 6: running lines with a script supervisor right before shooting something,

1026
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 6: right which I think, like, that's not who I want

1027
00:49:58,239 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 6: to be as a person.

1028
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,479
Speaker 1: You know, why was that happening at that time?

1029
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 6: Just through sheer laziness, you know, and interrationalization, Like I

1030
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 6: got to learn eight pages a day and then I'm shooting,

1031
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 6: and then I go home and I'm learning eight more pages,

1032
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 6: and like at some point it's like, well, I can

1033
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 6: learn this in five minutes with the script supervisor while

1034
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 6: they're setting up after we rehearsed, and I'm rehearsing with sides,

1035
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 6: and I just you know, later through some recovery stuff,

1036
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, I spotted that that was just

1037
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 6: I should That's not healthy for me to do, you know,

1038
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 6: because I suddenly other stuff is slipping in my life.

1039
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 6: That otherwise I would be more responsible for and like

1040
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,919
Speaker 6: tighten it up. But I like Tom Hanks's advice where

1041
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 6: it's like do those things and then have some idea

1042
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 6: look at the scene and bring something to it. You know, Yeah,

1043
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 6: I know.

1044
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,959
Speaker 3: I love when you said if that line got cut,

1045
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 3: you were going to have to figure out another way

1046
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 3: to show internal struggle, and like as well mentioned, uh,

1047
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 3: I didn't know any of that.

1048
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 4: No.

1049
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 6: Well, I literally was looking at beats because one of

1050
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 6: the things I noticed, Look, this might that week might

1051
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 6: have been the most attention I ever paid to the

1052
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 6: process of how something worked. And so something I noticed

1053
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:23,240
Speaker 6: was lines were changing, but broadly beats were not changing.

1054
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 6: There was the rhythm and a pace, and the the

1055
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 6: arcs of scenes were not transforming all that much. And

1056
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 6: so I was literally like, Okay, I have no idea

1057
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 6: if this goes what will come in its place? So

1058
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 6: I can't depend on the words to bring this emotion

1059
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 6: that I'm feeling is necessary for me that completes the

1060
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 6: character in the way I see him. So it was

1061
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 6: very important to me, and I was trying to find

1062
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 6: where in here, minus the words, I can put that

1063
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 6: just so that I get it out. You know it

1064
00:51:58,160 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 6: was a tricky it was a tricky first one.

1065
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 5: But the idea that you're doing that on your first

1066
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 5: job ever, I think I figured that out.

1067
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 9: Like a month ago, and so it's just to me,

1068
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 9: but it just it does.

1069
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 5: It shows I mean not to sound like I'm kissing

1070
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 5: your ass, but it just shows people are working on

1071
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 5: different levels, you know, when it comes to this industry,

1072
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 5: and you know, this was my fortieth job. I've been

1073
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 5: working since I was ten, and I was nowhere near

1074
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 5: that cognizant of the craft as you were in your

1075
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 5: first week.

1076
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:29,720
Speaker 6: And it's just it's just shows some.

1077
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,720
Speaker 9: People are just working on a different level. It's really amazing.

1078
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 6: Well, I mean I.

1079
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 2: Look back and you know, because you know, my wife

1080
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 2: is an actor and when we started dating, like I

1081
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,959
Speaker 2: was twenty six or twenty seven, and it was so

1082
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 2: it was such a revelation for me to engage with

1083
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 2: her about acting because I was like, oh, you take

1084
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 2: this seriously in a way that I've always rejected. And

1085
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,720
Speaker 2: what I realized is like I had this young actor

1086
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 2: sort of thing of like, well, I just show up

1087
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 2: and do It's so easy. I don't even think about it.

1088
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 2: I don't have to I don't have to work on this,

1089
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 2: And it was like such a defense mechanism, you know.

1090
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 2: And I feel like there was a culture, you know,

1091
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,280
Speaker 2: back then, like on the set of Boy Meets World especially,

1092
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 2: there was a culture of like, don't take acting too seriously,

1093
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 2: don't take yourself too seriously, which is healthy in its

1094
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 2: own way, right, Like there are actors who get obsessive

1095
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 2: and to you know, but I think for me, like

1096
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 2: I totally just threw my arms up and was like, well,

1097
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 2: I just show up and do this thing so I

1098
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 2: don't have to think about it, and like, no, I

1099
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 2: actually you know. And when I dove into it, I

1100
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 2: started doing the work of like taking acting classes again,

1101
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 2: and like thinking about it, I was like, wow, this

1102
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 2: is a lot of work. I don't I'm not you know,

1103
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 2: I'm I'm not built for this lifestyle. I could not

1104
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,439
Speaker 2: act and be happy, you know. So it was like, great,

1105
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 2: then I have to go do it, you know. I

1106
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 2: want to be around actors. But man, yeah, Like but

1107
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 2: it's so interesting that that back then, I feel like

1108
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 2: we had a culture like if we had taken ourselves

1109
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 2: too seriously, we would have teased one another, don't you think,

1110
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 2: will Like there was a level of.

1111
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 6: Like, yes, so listen this stuff I was thinking about

1112
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 6: and the notes I was keeping in the script that

1113
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 6: I never took out of my trailer by the way,

1114
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 6: Like you know, I would never I would never have

1115
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,720
Speaker 6: talked to Blake about this for the reasons you're talking about,

1116
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 6: and not that I'm sure he would have made fun

1117
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 6: of me, but I felt very much that the amount

1118
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 6: of thought I was putting into it was embarrassing, so

1119
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 6: I would not. I would never have said interesting to somebody.

1120
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 6: I think that I think you're spot on. I don't

1121
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 6: think it was just the set of Boy Meets World,

1122
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 6: you know, because I think there's also like you know,

1123
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 6: like you think about Brando, or you think about even

1124
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 6: like Daniel day Lewis, or like a method actor, and

1125
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 6: it's like, okay, yeah, for my left foot, you gotta

1126
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 6: do X, Y and Z. But for Boy meets World,

1127
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 6: doing X, Y and Z is embarrassing, Like you just

1128
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 6: hit the joke. That job was my left foot. It

1129
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 6: was as important to me as any anything else. But

1130
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 6: I think that I wouldn't have openly said that, right.

1131
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 5: That's why when you talk about people like Daniel d

1132
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 5: Lewis or things you you see to give to give

1133
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 5: some flowers to sitcom and how difficult it can be.

1134
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 5: You see shows like Friends or Seinfeld or any of

1135
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 5: these big shows that will bring big movie stars on

1136
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 5: that can't.

1137
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:13,240
Speaker 9: Do the three camera.

1138
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 5: It's just it's a different rhythm and and so you'll

1139
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 5: get huge actors where it's like, Okay, yeah, man, you're

1140
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 5: you're gonna win five Academy Awards, But in front of

1141
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 5: an audience sitcom, it's a totally different beast and you

1142
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 5: just you didn't figure it out.

1143
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 6: So there's a lyricism to it, there is. It's a music.

1144
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 6: If you cannot find that harmony, it's gonna suck.

1145
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:48,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, speaking of not wanting to share things

1146
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 3: out of embarrassment, you had much cooler friends than any

1147
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 3: of us had in the nineties, and we.

1148
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 9: Only have each other. You're already winning.

1149
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 3: Do you remember did any of your friends at the

1150
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 3: time think Boy Meets World was corny or like that?

1151
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 1: The fact that you were even doing that job was corny.

1152
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 6: No, just having a job was cool. Okay, just having

1153
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 6: just being gamefully employed was cool. On every single level.

1154
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 6: There was no you know, there's still no like you know,

1155
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 6: you got a friend who's going to get nominated for

1156
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 6: an Academy Award and I have a show on Amazon,

1157
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. Like, they're only like, that's

1158
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 6: great that you're working, you know, right.

1159
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, exactly. It's crazy that even I mean now

1160
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: more so than ever. Oh you have a job.

1161
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 2: Wow.

1162
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, thank god you have a job. You have a

1163
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 6: story about you. Yeah.

1164
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 3: Oh good, you're working. That's great. I know, no matter what,

1165
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 3: it is so great. Wanted to get your opinion on

1166
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 3: the line. We talked about it a lot when we

1167
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 3: watched the episode the first time around. Wanted to get

1168
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 3: when Sean says to Tapanga, summer was very good to you.

1169
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, awkward. That's another one that they could have lost.

1170
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 2: Yes, just checking you out as you walk ahead of us.

1171
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: It's like, uh so it was cringey for you too.

1172
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 3: I thought maybe it was just because we were too inside,

1173
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 3: but even for you, it was a little They kind

1174
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 3: of saved.

1175
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 5: It a little bit this time when I saw it

1176
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 5: with with you grabbing his mutton chops and saying, well,

1177
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 5: at least what I grew was real.

1178
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 9: Yeah, so they kind of give it back to.

1179
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 5: You a little bit, but it's still is a little

1180
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 5: ae yeah, yeah.

1181
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 6: I don't know, if you know, my just particular tastes

1182
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 6: are that uh you know, and I don't like, I

1183
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 6: don't dislike lude comedy, but I don't need to see

1184
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 6: kids interacting that way. It's just not Yeah, you know,

1185
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 6: there is something And I don't know that I ever

1186
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 6: considered it at the time the only but I was

1187
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 6: also stuck in my own world. If I could have

1188
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 6: been just an observer, maybe I would have gone like,

1189
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 6: that's odd, you know. But like as a parent to

1190
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 6: girls today, I'm I'm like, you know, come on, guys,

1191
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:16,439
Speaker 6: that's yeah, Like you know, I see, especially with development,

1192
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 6: just commenting on it can be so introverting to a

1193
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 6: totally or a girl. And and like, you know, I

1194
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 6: don't know, I'm not like mad that they did that joke,

1195
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 6: but I certainly it was a record a little record

1196
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:31,439
Speaker 6: scratch in my mind.

1197
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean, when you're a kid, you're so

1198
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 3: the same way we talked about that. For you, it

1199
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 3: felt like there was all the other lights were often

1200
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 3: there was a spotlight.

1201
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: On you when we did that eighteen times.

1202
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 3: That's what you think people are, that's in your mind,

1203
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 3: what's happening about everything? So you're like, everyone's gonna notice,

1204
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 3: everyone's thinking about it, everyone's talking about it, and then

1205
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 3: when they actually do it just confirms.

1206
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 6: And then at twelve, what does that even mean to you?

1207
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 6: Like those words? What do those words even mean to you?

1208
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 6: Because I highly doubt that, But that's your intention, walking

1209
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 6: like you're not getting dressed, going like I gotta look

1210
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 6: sexy today, you know.

1211
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 2: What I mean?

1212
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 3: No, definitely not. Do you remember working with Lily Nixy

1213
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 3: at all? But she played Morgan, the little sister.

1214
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 6: I don't know that I ever had scenes with her.

1215
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:18,439
Speaker 6: Was she okay in the house?

1216
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1217
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: Mostly?

1218
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was never in the school, so I didn't

1219
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 3: know if you remembered any experience.

1220
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 9: That's a good question. Was Lily ever not in the

1221
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 9: house ever?

1222
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 2: No?

1223
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 5: No?

1224
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 6: No?

1225
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 2: Wowyard backyard.

1226
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:37,439
Speaker 6: And I also think, like, you know, you guys had

1227
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 6: parents there, but you were at an age where your

1228
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 6: parents could be like sitting up in the bleachers or

1229
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 6: at craft services. Sure parents were standing five feet away,

1230
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, Like there was no and

1231
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 6: what am I going to say to a little little

1232
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 6: kid like that? You know what I mean? There's no

1233
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 6: joking around to be done. I don't think I had

1234
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 6: any interaction with her. I don't think I ever had

1235
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 6: any interaction with her parents or anyone.

1236
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, So final question for you looking back

1237
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 3: now on this episode, is there anything when you watch

1238
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 3: this episode your first job ever, that you think to yourself? Yep,

1239
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 3: I can pinpoint this week right here is where I

1240
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 3: learned blank, and I've carried it with me for the

1241
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 3: rest of my career.

1242
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 6: I learned how to be a professional actor that way.

1243
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 6: That was you know, for me prior to that, acting

1244
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 6: was spending as much time as I wanted with some material,

1245
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 6: making as many changes as I felt were necessary, trying it,

1246
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 6: feeling if that iteration felt best to me. It was

1247
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 6: really a solo pursuit or you know, in acting class

1248
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 6: where you then get critiqued by an acting teacher. But

1249
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 6: it was it was the first time that I got

1250
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 6: to experience the collaborative name nature of what it is

1251
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 6: to be a professional actor on any level. And and really,

1252
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 6: if we think about it, our jobs are always collaborative,

1253
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 6: unless we're writing our own one man show and then

1254
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 6: wearing all the hats and putting it up, or just

1255
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 6: performing it for ourselves in the mirror, which is interesting

1256
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 6: but like the in what we do, there are writers, directors.

1257
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 2: There's you know, it's a social art form.

1258
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 6: It's a social art form. It is the most collaborative

1259
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 6: art form there is because it isn't just one thing.

1260
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 6: It is everybody has a point of view on a scene,

1261
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 6: and you have to come together to make this cohesive

1262
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 6: thing that's going to communicate to people. And it was

1263
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 6: like such a powerful and transformative week where it proved

1264
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 6: that like not only could I do it, but like

1265
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 6: I could enjoy it and I could be a part

1266
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 6: of that collaboration.

1267
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 5: That's amazing because you even said before that you felt

1268
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 5: the audience's energy draining. Yeah, And that's one of the

1269
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 5: things where even the audience is part of the collaboration.

1270
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 9: They're they're part of your team.

1271
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 5: So it's you you at one point when you get

1272
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 5: this thing on its feet, You've got hundreds of people

1273
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 5: involved in making it happen, and it really is unique

1274
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 5: in that aspect.

1275
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 6: This maybe I mean you rely on their laugh. Yeah,

1276
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 6: If you're not getting that from them, you're not doing

1277
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 6: it right because you know, I know, there's a lot

1278
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 6: to say, there's applause signs and all of that which

1279
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 6: can bolster them a little bit and the warm up

1280
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,439
Speaker 6: guy who gets them ready for it. But if they

1281
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 6: start to fade on you, there's no getting them back,

1282
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 6: and you know you got to like to make a

1283
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 6: broad left turn to try to recapture them.

1284
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 2: This might be too broad of a hypothetical, But what

1285
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 2: do you think would have happened if you hadn't come

1286
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 2: back after this week?

1287
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 6: Jesus, I don't know, you know, I if that was,

1288
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 6: if that was one and done, I have no idea.

1289
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 2: Do you think you'd feel as good about the experience

1290
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 2: like or would you feel Yeah?

1291
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, there was no expectation that I was coming back

1292
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 6: when I didn't. I didn't. There was no like you

1293
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 6: know now, when people talk to me about a TV show,

1294
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 6: that's not like you're being offered a season regular job.

1295
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 6: It's like, there's five episodes we want you to do,

1296
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. I'm not really talking to

1297
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 6: people about one episode of a television show and so like.

1298
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 6: But that back then was all I thought. It was,

1299
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 6: this is going to be five days of work, and

1300
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 6: this is my first job, and what am I going

1301
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 6: to do to prepare? And like it's all new and

1302
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 6: fascinating and I would have come away from it going like,

1303
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 6: I hope I did a good job, but coming back

1304
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 6: was icing.

1305
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 3: Ethan, where can people find you? Where can we listen

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Speaker 3: to you? How can we best support you?

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Speaker 6: And now I write a sub stack, which I'm having

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Speaker 6: so much fun writing. You know, for a long time

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Speaker 6: I did. I've been on Instagram, which limits you to

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Speaker 6: like two thousand or twenty five hundred words or twenty

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Speaker 6: some some. Yeah it's not twenty five hundred words. I'd

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Speaker 6: be a lot. I think it's two thousand characters, okay.

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Speaker 6: And I found myself writing for Instagram and always having

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Speaker 6: to edit it down. So I've started just putting up

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Speaker 6: essays on substack, which.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry as somebody who doesn't know anything about computers

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Speaker 5: or or what that is.

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Speaker 9: What is what is a substack?

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Speaker 6: What is that? Substack is literally like social media for writing?

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, cool, It's like basically where journalists go. Now

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Speaker 2: where you can you can publish your own like your

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Speaker 2: own articles and your own soft and share it.

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Speaker 9: Is it substack dot com? Is that how you find that?

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Speaker 6: If you wanted to find me, it would be ethansplea

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Speaker 6: dot substack dot cool. But you could go to substack

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Speaker 6: and search for my name, and uh, I'm having so

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Speaker 6: much fun writing essays. I write an essay every week

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Speaker 6: and it's all you know about my terrible mental health

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Speaker 6: and my struggles with weight and addiction. And it's such

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Speaker 6: a cathartic place to put ideas out into the world.

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Speaker 1: Jesus so wonderful. Are you still doing your podcast?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, and American Glutton, Yeah that continues. That's like

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Speaker 6: my version of a recovery meeting for obesity.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Everything that was I was on and it was awesome.

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Speaker 5: It was a great experience, really cool. Thank you will Yeah,

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Speaker 5: it was amazing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Ethan, thank you so much for spending some more

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Speaker 3: time with us. It's always such a joy to see you.

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Speaker 3: I hope to get to see you in person again

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Speaker 3: soon too. Thank you for being here with us.

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Speaker 6: You later.

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Speaker 5: I could talk to him for hours. I seriously could

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Speaker 5: talk to him for hours. But it also just shows

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Speaker 5: when he again, when he's talking about getting that first

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Speaker 5: script in the past, he was just on a different.

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Speaker 9: Level and I'll just speak myself, on a different level.

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Speaker 5: Than me, and it showed, I mean, you could tell

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Speaker 5: he was just a deeper actor who appreciated the craft

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Speaker 5: right from the jump, which is something that I didn't

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Speaker 5: find for twenty years in my career.

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Speaker 9: It's really incredible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to join a substack. I gotta I.

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Speaker 9: Gotta know what that was to me.

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Speaker 5: That's just the small pancakes.

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Speaker 9: So yeah, that's a short stack.

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Speaker 6: That's the show. Short stack.

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Speaker 9: That's what it is, right damn it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you all for joining us for this episode of

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Speaker 3: Podmeets World. As always, you can follow us on Instagram

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Speaker 5: Wait, so you're saying I need to buy some merch.

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Speaker 5: I gotta think.

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Speaker 2: an iHeart podcast producer hosted by Danielle Fischel, Wilfredell and

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Speaker 2: Ryder Strong. Executive producers Jensen Karp and Amy Sugarman. Executive

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Speaker 2: in charge of production, Danielle Romo, producer and edit, Tititar

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Speaker 2: Subach producer, Maddie Moore engineer and Boy meets World Superman

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Speaker 6: Of Typhoon.

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