1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller and I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: hot pursuit. 3 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 2: You ever get a really good car and you don't 4 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 2: have a ton of good things to Actually, you drove 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 2: the Bentley Continental GT. 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: I did. 7 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 2: I spent last week with it and not in love. 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: What you are you saying? It's a really good car, 9 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: but you didn't love it? 10 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 2: I mean it's very expensive, and you know, it has 11 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 2: a ton of power, and it has a V eight 12 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: and I like that it has the hybrid system. 13 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: But what didn't you love? I saw your Instagram posts 14 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: about the Matt paint. 15 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 2: I know that's a horrible choice. 16 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: Questionable choice. Yeah, I've actually not seen that on a 17 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: press car. Yeah, that's a that's a bold move. 18 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 2: I just thought, for one thing, it's a four hundred 19 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 2: thousand dollars car, right, Yeah, and the power train setup 20 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: was a turbo V eight, as you know, with a 21 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 2: hybrid system. I think that's fantastic. It's almost eight hundred 22 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 2: horse power, not quite I think seven to seventy one, 23 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 2: which is wild. And Lamborghinis, Yeah, I know, but guess what. 24 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 2: The week before that, I was driving a Mercedes AMGS 25 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 2: sixty three half price two hundred thousand dollars. It also 26 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 2: has a turbocharged V eight hybrid system with over eight 27 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 2: hundred horse power and over one thousand newton meters of 28 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: I mean foot pound of torque. 29 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's not a Bentley no, I mean Bentley 30 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: has I think perhaps more of a posh aura about it. 31 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 2: For Sure's you say one ndred percent true? 32 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: What did you think of the new headlight design and 33 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: the new front grill. 34 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 2: I think it looks gorgeous. It's way better looking than 35 00:01:58,520 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: the than the Murk. 36 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: It's really pretty. 37 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 2: But here's the thing. Like it's a two door, obviously, 38 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 2: it feels a little cramped, like it's so plush. Yes, 39 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 2: I feel like there's so much car, there's so much seat, 40 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 2: and there's so much everything that there's not enough room 41 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 2: for little old me. You know. 42 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: It is one of those cars that looks pretty beefy 43 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 1: and big on the outside, which to me it's cool, 44 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: but then when you get inside it actually feels quite 45 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: a bit smaller as opposed to maybe like a nine 46 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: to eleven that looks pretty small comparatively, but on the 47 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: inside it's like, oh, this is really spacious. 48 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 2: Great comparison. 49 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: Verse. 50 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, total opposite. 51 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I totally get it. And obviously some of 52 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: those things I think are you know, just the feeling 53 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: of plushness and you're coseted and you're in you're in 54 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: your cabin and everything is like really lucks. Yeah, that 55 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: that does take up space, doesn't it? 56 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 2: It a lot? And doesn't leave enough space for me 57 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 2: the driver? And I mean I feel like I drove 58 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 2: a bunch of Continentals like around ten years ago, maybe 59 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: eight and twelve, so I've been in a lot of 60 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 2: different versions of that car, and I used to think 61 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 2: it felt roomy inside and this definitely does not. But 62 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 2: the Mercedes has the Mercedes AMGS sixty three as a 63 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: four door. 64 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: Yes, and so it's not really a fair comparison. 65 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 2: It's not really a fair comparison, but same power train, yes, 66 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: and the Merk does better. And the other thing about 67 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 2: the Bentley is like it kept flashing these electronic warnings 68 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 2: at me, like you're not logged in, you're not using 69 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 2: the app, you know your Wi Fi system isn't working, 70 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 2: or do you want it turned on or off? Or 71 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: do you know why this or that? You know? And 72 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 2: all these questions all the time, so that I could 73 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 2: hardly understand it. I couldn't really get car play to 74 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: work very well. It kept working and then not. And 75 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 2: with the Mercedes, it was just like get in everything 76 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: works perfectly. 77 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: I mean, we say this all the time, but Mercedes 78 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: has the best technology in the game right now. I like, 79 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: we say it all the time, but we keep getting 80 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: into cars that only prove that point. And I think 81 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: this is the next gen. 82 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the brand new one. 83 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: But here's the thing. Bentley has their new CEO, Frank Wallacer, 84 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: and this is sort of the last car that we're 85 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: going to see that he doesn't really have his hands on. 86 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: And I think he's brought in for a very specific reason, 87 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: which is to sort of take care of these little 88 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: points that you're describing. True, because nothing you said Bentley 89 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: doesn't know about their product. They know they need to 90 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: tighten it up a little bit, which is why they've 91 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: hired the head of Motorsports for a Porsche to come 92 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: over and like tighten it, you know, make it better, 93 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: make it better. It's a great car, but again, like 94 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: there are a couple little things that they need to 95 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: be better. 96 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 2: That's exactly what I was thinking when I was reading 97 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 2: your story. Yeah, right. You put out a story about 98 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 2: this like two weeks ago and Wallacer you interviewed him 99 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 2: as well as driving the car, and I was thinking, Man, 100 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: this guy is just coming in and it takes, you know, 101 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 2: four or five years to from start to finish to 102 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 2: build a new car. So obviously he had nothing to 103 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: do with him and nothing. 104 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: To do with this, and this is going to be 105 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: I think one of the last ones that we really 106 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: that come out that debut that I knew that he 107 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: doesn't have his hand on, and I know he's already 108 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: trying to do all he can to sort of ramp 109 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: up the product because the big thing with Bentley is 110 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: their product line is getting a little bit long in 111 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: the tooth and that's going to catch up with them 112 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: and hurt them if. 113 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 2: You don't still looks I mean, it looks looks fabulous. 114 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: I love what they did to the front. It's like 115 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: some combination of super strong but also sort of feeline, 116 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: maybe feminine even I think it's a really interesting, good 117 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: looking car, and I love I think I drove unlike 118 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,799 Speaker 1: your matte color. You're what was it a Matte red, 119 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: like it. 120 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 2: Was like a Cranberry red matt which okay. I don't 121 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 2: know who chose it, but I wouldn't have had I. 122 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: Drove one in gravity gray, which was super cool. It 123 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: was sort of like a shark, a dark shark gray color. 124 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 2: I like the acid green. I went on the website 125 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 2: to configure them, and there's an acid green that I love, 126 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 2: but that looks I did a little survey on Instagram, 127 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 2: not scientific, but half of the people said, no, go 128 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 2: for paying four hundred thousand dollars a car. I'm not 129 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 2: going to put a matte finish on it, which is 130 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 2: like a ten year old fashion to begin with. And 131 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 2: it's also it's a very like I don't know, yeah, no. 132 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: It's odd. We have so much to talk about today. 133 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:26,679 Speaker 1: I feel like, I don't know if you got my email, 134 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:31,559 Speaker 1: but we've got a lot. We've got a lot to cover. 135 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: You're one of the people, so I get probably two 136 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 2: thousand emails a day. What. Yeah, And there are a 137 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 2: handful of people starting with like Mike Bloomberg and John Mickelwaite. 138 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and. 139 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 2: You whose emails. I scan my screen and if I 140 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 2: see one from you or from Mike, like, I click 141 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 2: on that first. 142 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: I don't take it. I will take that company so 143 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: very much. 144 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 2: Obviously, I see all these emails and there's so much 145 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: to talk about that there were a few times over 146 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: the last week where I think I texted you and 147 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 2: I was like, Yo, we should jump into the studio. 148 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: Totally do this right now, I know, And then we didn't. 149 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, but we will. 150 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,239 Speaker 1: Also, Matt, do you realize that when this episode airs 151 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: on Friday, it's our exact one year anniversary of doing 152 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: this podcast? Wow? I did not realize that October twenty 153 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: fifth that was the first one that we did a 154 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: year ago, in twenty twenty three. 155 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 2: That's awesome. I keep thinking like, how long ago do 156 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 2: we do start doing this? Like three months ago? Four 157 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 2: months ago? I guess it's been twelve it's been twelve months. Amazing. Well, 158 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 2: every single time it's so much fun, So I know 159 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 2: I agree. All right, So what should we start with? 160 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 2: What are you writing about on the terminal right now? 161 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: Well, I just we're gonna have a story go live 162 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: about the car trends that we hate and true, this 163 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: really gets people going. I kind of thought, oh, it's 164 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's more of a fun story, but 165 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: this really got people upset, and it's everything from By 166 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: the way, I spoke with a couple of automotive analysts. 167 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: I also spoke with Keith Naughton Kyle Stock are some 168 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: of our autos reporters here, and of course surveyed my 169 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:24,239 Speaker 1: pursuits team and it's everything from fronks and touchscreens and 170 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: electric vehicles in general to somebody on Instagram said their 171 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: pet peeve is people driving alone in Portland wearing masks. 172 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually noticed this week somebody driving alone wearing 173 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 2: a mask. But you know what, Actually the Mercedes that 174 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: I was driving last week two hundred thousand dollars again 175 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 2: Mercedes AMGS sixty three, totally powerful, total sleeper. Absolutely loved 176 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 2: the car and some tech that was mind blowing, like 177 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 2: the digital dash was three D. So it looks like 178 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 2: it goes into that. You liked it. Oh my god, 179 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 2: it just knocked me off my seat, except for I was, 180 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 2: you know, very well bolstered. But one of the things 181 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 2: it has is the door handles are completely flush and 182 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,719 Speaker 2: they don't come out unless I guess you should be 183 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 2: able to have them come out when they approached, when 184 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 2: you approach the car, or when you push the unlock button. 185 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 2: These weren't coming out unless I pulled the key fob 186 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 2: out of my pocket and pushed the unlock button. And 187 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 2: one time I even had gotten out of the car, 188 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 2: closed the door and my four year old daughter was 189 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 2: in the back seat. Oh no, and I left the 190 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 2: keys in and I couldn't get them to pop out. 191 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: See the by the way, those flush door handles are 192 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: listed in the story. And the overriding idea is exactly 193 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: what you're pointing out, Matt, which is that sometimes technology 194 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: doesn't actually represent progress for cars. You know, all of 195 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: these automakers are really trying to grab consumers attention and 196 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: you know, potentially compete with these China, these automotive brands 197 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: that are sort of knocking at the door and every 198 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: you know, there's so much there's so many distractions, and 199 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: so automakers are trying to do whatever they can to 200 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: offer the latest and greatest, but a lot of these 201 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: things actually just end up distracting, annoying. These door handles, 202 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of a lot of people don't 203 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: really care for lane assist and sort of the preemptive 204 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: breaking some of even some of these. 205 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 2: Preemptive breaking gives me a heart attack every time it 206 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 2: comes off. 207 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: It's actually kind of scary because it feels like the 208 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: car is not under your control, the car is under 209 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: its own control, which is not a great feeling. I agree, 210 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like that feeling well. 211 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: And it also happens a lot when you don't need 212 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 2: it to. For example, backing out of my driveway, I 213 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 2: saw a car go by, and then I continue to 214 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 2: back out, but it slammed the brakes on anyway, because 215 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 2: I guess the car was still near enough in the vicinity, 216 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 2: and it just makes you feel like you've you know, 217 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 2: you've narrowly avoided a huge accident, so you get the 218 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 2: same heart pulsing. 219 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 1: But the surge of adrenaline through your wrists. 220 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 2: I would suggest, let's go through your list and what 221 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 2: was at the top of it. What was the number 222 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 2: one thing? 223 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: The number one thing that I heard time and again 224 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: from analysts, from automotive writers, and from social media and 225 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: friends was touch screens. That's the top thing that people said, 226 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: everything from the skateboard sized screens at Mercedes Benz down 227 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: to the little tiny screens in something like the Farah 228 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: Pro song with the suv where you like there's like 229 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: a touchpad on the steering wheel that you use to 230 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: control audio and things. Tony Sillerno, who works for Jdpower, 231 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 1: is one of the analysts I spoke with, and he 232 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: just said, studies continually show that most consumers, especially in 233 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: luxury segments, prefer an analog interface. They just do. It's easier, 234 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: it's intuitive. 235 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 2: But I'm guessing that the manufacturers you talk to know this. 236 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 2: And the problem is they started these designs five years ago. Yes, 237 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 2: So now aren't they turning that around a little bit? 238 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: You know? I think some are. I know I refer 239 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: to it consistently, but Bugatti's Turbion obviously that's a way 240 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 1: higher price point. But they I just remember them because 241 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: they made a very specific point of saying when they 242 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: launched that car that we have decided to keep our 243 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: inior interior analog because we feel that it will age 244 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: better and it's easier to use. That's That's the first 245 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 1: automaker that I've heard say just outright, we're purposely doing this. 246 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 2: I think PEGANI might be another one, as long as 247 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 2: we're reaching for those five million dollar cars, you know, 248 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 2: for sure. 249 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: One car collector I talked to, Chris Singh, basically says, 250 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: you know, he would buy, for instance, the new Porsche 251 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: supercar whenever it comes along, or some of these other supercars. 252 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 1: But he doesn't because they're electric, which is one thing. 253 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: But he just loves Pegani because they keep it analog, 254 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: they keep it old school, and obviously this is very 255 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: rarefied air. But I don't think that's lost on all 256 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 1: of us, you know, whether you're spending two million dollars 257 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: or twenty thousand dollars. We just want something that's easy, Yeah, 258 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: we want to have to struggle. 259 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 2: Well, and it's also much more classic, right, It's much 260 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 2: more elegant to have a button or a switch or 261 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 2: a knob. And really, I imagine that more car makers 262 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 2: are going to gravitate back towards that to the extent 263 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 2: that they can. 264 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: You know, it will be really interesting to see whether 265 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 1: Porscha does that, because of course, in their newest generations 266 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: of the nine to eleven, for instance, they have recreated 267 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: their traditional five gauge dash or behind the steering wheel 268 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: with a digital version of it. And I haven't been 269 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: hearing a lot of people who love that change, so 270 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: I'm very curious to hear whether they can and will 271 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: take it back. 272 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 2: I think it's a horrible idea as well. But what 273 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 2: they had before was great. They had five gauges and 274 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 2: one was a screen exactly. 275 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: I mean that's fine, Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, that we 276 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: can we can settle with that. 277 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 2: I think, all right, what else? I mean, I think 278 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 2: everyone agrees with you on that point. Yeah. 279 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. So you know another big thing where giant glass 280 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: roofs in vehicles like the i X from BMW, the 281 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: Lucid Air of course, they're they're kind of all over 282 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: and I, I don't know, this isn't a personal one 283 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: of mine. This this one came from Kyle Stock specifically, 284 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: and I did hear this from other people too, But 285 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: Kyle just said, look, when you have an EV and 286 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: then you put a glass roof over the top, it 287 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: actually just heats the cabin, takes up more battery power 288 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: and range the interior sweltering, and it actually works against you. Yeah, 289 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: because you're running the IC which runs the battery. So 290 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: I thought that was an interesting one. 291 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I personally, I have in the past loved giant 292 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 2: glass roofs because if the cabin feels so much roomier. 293 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 2: The first time I ever had that experience was on 294 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 2: the nine to nine to one that I bought in 295 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 2: twenty fourteen. 296 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: It does feel a lot room here, which is great. 297 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 2: I loved it. And also in a sports car, especially 298 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 2: so I'm pretty tall and you are too. When I 299 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 2: pull up to a traffic light, I often can't see 300 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 2: the light anymore out of my windshield, and so if 301 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 2: I have that glass roof like in the nine to eleven, 302 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 2: I could lean back and see the light and it's fantastic. 303 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 2: But this year I spent a week in the GMC 304 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 2: Hummer EV, which has of course an all glass you 305 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 2: know or whatever fake glass roof, and the cabin got 306 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 2: so hot it was unbelievably hot. I thought like my 307 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 2: baby was in danger. 308 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: You know, gosh, that is that is not good. I 309 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: had the same experience when I drove a Lucid Air 310 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: from San Francisco back down to LA and obviously, as 311 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: you can imagine, in driving in California, there's just no 312 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: there's no shelter. You feel like you are just out 313 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: on the road in a greenhouse, being boiled alive. 314 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 315 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: It's not a good feeling. 316 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 2: No, it's horrible. 317 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. 318 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 2: They should have some kind of technology. I think Rivian has. 319 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 2: You can push a button and it turned to some 320 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 2: electrons that change it toery papers does help. And by 321 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: the way, on the Hummer note, I see at the 322 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 2: beginning of the story you mentioned the crab walk, which 323 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 2: is so stupid, like there's no real world use for it. 324 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: Well, as I recall, I sort of mentioned that, and 325 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: you know, the new Mercedes g U I can can 326 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: spin in three hundred and sixty degrees. You know, as 327 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: ways that automakers are trying to offer fun, exciting things 328 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,359 Speaker 1: to consumers. But yes, I'm not sure how much practical 329 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: application these things do have. They just take up battery energy. However, 330 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: another thing that I did here, which was on this list, 331 00:16:56,120 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: is that oversize trucks and SUVs in general. You know, 332 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: some people just get so annoyed they feel like the 333 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: roads are being overrun by these SUVs. The size of tanks. 334 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: We mentioned the Hummer av. You know, the Cadillac Escalade 335 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: is almost twenty feet long and eight feet wide. It's 336 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: just huge. You know, it has twenty four inch wheels 337 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: that if you add the tires on to them, bulge 338 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: out to thirty five inches. It's huge. 339 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 2: I'm going to go ahead and disagree with that one 340 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 2: because I like this. I like them big. 341 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: Yes. I mean one that I actually mentioned in here 342 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: is the G sixty three four by four, the Mercedes 343 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: G Wagon that is like a four by four, which 344 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 1: I actually really loved. But it is also true it 345 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: did not even fit in the parking garage here at work. 346 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: I had to park it on this sit. 347 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:47,959 Speaker 2: But only because of the height, right, because that's not 348 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 2: a yes, no, it's huge in terms of length or 349 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 2: with it's just really just they're actually pretty compact. Yeah. 350 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 2: I like a big, giant truck and su I want 351 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 2: to be able to live with my whole family and 352 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 2: uh my family friends in my vehicle. And actually, almost 353 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 2: to spite the people who are against large vehicles, I 354 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 2: want it even bigger, you. 355 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, I mean. 356 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 2: Don't worry about how big my truck is. Get your 357 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 2: own car, you know you can. You can have a 358 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 2: smart if you like. Yeah, what do you call the 359 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 2: little Alfro the little Fiat that you yeah, exactly, get 360 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 2: one of those and leave me alone in my escalade. 361 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: Can you imagine? I think I wrote that the the 362 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: cyber truck is as long as two VW Beetles together. 363 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: Speaking of the little Fiat five hunder, I mean that's 364 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: even smaller. Yeah, yeah, very hard to die, you know, 365 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: viva ladiferol. What can we say. I'm kind of neutral. 366 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: I you know, I'm all about the right tool for 367 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: the job. 368 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 2: So crab walk aside, I loved the hummer ev it 369 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 2: was super fun too, to have that much power in 370 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 2: such a giant thing. 371 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, it's so great. But okay, soaring car 372 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: prices are another one I think we can all relate to. 373 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: I actually did read up on this. Kelly blow blue 374 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: Book reports that the average transaction price of a new 375 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 1: vehicle in the US was at almost forty nine thousand 376 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: dollars in September. That's up from forty thousand dollars in 377 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: twenty twenty and ten years ago, the average vehicle price 378 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: was thirty three thousand dollars. So it's not just you, 379 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 1: it's not just me. Like it is true, car prices 380 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 1: on average are going way up. But also according to 381 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: Aaron Keating, who was a COXS automotive analyst, she says 382 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: incentives are expected to be higher for the rest of 383 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: the year, so that should help offset some of these costs. 384 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, when you talk about a four 385 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars Bentley, It's it's wild how the expense 386 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: of some of these cars, and it's easy just to 387 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: throw around numbers and not really you know, that's that's 388 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: obviously more than I make on my journalist's salary a year. 389 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 1: It is a lot of money. 390 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a ton of money, yea. And I mean, 391 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 2: on the one hand, it makes me feel just like 392 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 2: an old fogie when I sit around complaining about inflation. 393 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 2: When I was in high school, you know, when I 394 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 2: was a kid, forty thousand dollars bought you an amazing 395 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 2: vehicle like that's a that was a luxury car, Oh, 396 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 2: for sure, And it's no longer the case. But I 397 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 2: guess as time goes on, you know, we choose to 398 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 2: live in a society that wants to overspend and inflate 399 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 2: its way out of that debt. So that's what we're doing. 400 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure. 401 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 2: Also, I think I wonder some part of me wonders, 402 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 2: if you're a Rolls Royce or a Bentley or a 403 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 2: Ferrari buyer, how much does it matter whether it's three 404 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 2: p fifty or four huntre. 405 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:41,719 Speaker 1: I don't think it might. 406 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 2: I don't care at all, not at all. 407 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: And we've seen the numbers that you know, the average 408 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: Rolls Royce and Bentley customer owns like two and a 409 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: half Rolls Royces and Bentley's. This is this is sort 410 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: of standard. Same with Bugatti. You know, their average customers 411 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: own multiple anyway, so you know, you know what that 412 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 1: reminds me of. And this this might transition us to 413 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: our next topic. But I just saw, you know, Ferrari 414 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: debuted their F eighty, their their new supercar, and that 415 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: car costs three point six million euros and they're making 416 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: seven hundred and ninety nine of them, all of which 417 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: have been spoken for, so it's expected that. 418 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 2: That they're sold out already. 419 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 1: They're sold out already anyways, and selling all of the 420 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: cars at three point six million each euros will earn 421 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: Ferrari a total of almost three billion euros. Wow, So 422 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: that is just it just shows how profitable these super 423 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: expensive cars are and also the fact that people are 424 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: buying them. You know, it's kind of wild. It's a 425 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: huge money maker for Ferrari. I know we've spoken about 426 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 1: profit per car before on this podcast, and we've had 427 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: some emails requesting I do have some numbers on that 428 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: not related to Ferrari more general, but it is wild 429 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 1: to your point that, yeah, car prices are way up, 430 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: and you know, the wealthy people seem to be able 431 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: to afford it. 432 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 2: I mean, but so are stock prices, right, I mean 433 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 2: we're looking at back to back years of more than 434 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 2: twenty percent gains. The well Ferrari shares have tripled in 435 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 2: the last five years. 436 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: Wild. 437 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 2: So if you wanted to buy a Ferrari five years 438 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 2: ago and instead you put that money in the stock today, 439 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 2: you could buy at least two. Barry Ridholts has a 440 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 2: whole rant about this, like, if you want to buy 441 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 2: the newest Apple MacBook, would it be smarter to buy 442 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 2: that much in Apple shares instead? And he's looked back 443 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 2: over history and found that the answer is usually yes. 444 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I mean it's not like you can drive 445 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: your shares. 446 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 2: True, or you can't obviously use them as a MacBook. 447 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 2: But I just think it's an interesting idea. By the way, 448 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 2: this Ferrari F eighty I haven't gone that deep into it. 449 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: Can we discuss this? 450 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 2: Yeah? So it's me think, well, there's the is this 451 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 2: supposed to be the continuation of like the F forty Yes, 452 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 2: and the FFC yes, so this is but it's a 453 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 2: V six. 454 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: Yes, is that twelve hundred horse power? But does that 455 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: you feel better? No? 456 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 2: Who cares? Like, honestly, who cares at this level? Who 457 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 2: cares about how much horsepower? 458 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: We are living in weird time. 459 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 2: I don't care if you have eight hundred horse power 460 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 2: or fifteen hundred, Like, you have enough horsepower, and it's 461 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 2: about the experience of driving it, the way you feel, 462 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 2: not about how fast you get from zero to sixty, 463 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 2: because it doesn't matter if it's two point five seconds 464 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 2: or two point seven seconds. And I feel like the 465 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 2: executives at Ferrari are like, hey, let's do the next 466 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 2: limited edition supercar with a pity V six, and they'll 467 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 2: still We'll still sell three billion euros worth of them, 468 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. 469 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: They've got quite a sense of humor. 470 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 2: Why I'm not gonna ever buy obviously, And one of 471 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 2: the complaints of you know, people get mad at the 472 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 2: naysayers on Reddit or on Instagram. They're like, well, you're 473 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 2: never gonna buy one anyway, Okay, fair, I'm not going to, yes, 474 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 2: but if I had the money, I still wouldn't buy one, 475 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 2: because why do I want a V six? Supercar. If 476 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 2: I want a V six, I will buy a Honda. 477 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 2: They do really good V six engines. 478 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: You know, I do agree horsepower is a diminishing return. 479 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: It just counts for less and less these days. And yeah, 480 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: I was speaking with the actually Tony Salerno about about 481 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: this from JD Power. You know, after you hit like 482 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: six or seven hundred horse power, there's not a lot more. I, 483 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: with my non professional driving skills, can get out of 484 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: any car, whether or not I'm on a track or whatever. 485 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: And I think that's probably the same for most people. 486 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: So it does sort of get into the area of 487 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: esoteric and hypothetical numbers, because twelve hundred horsepower, you know, 488 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: is not something that's realistic for us. 489 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 2: It's all about traction control. It's all about your computer 490 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 2: systems at that point, you. 491 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: Know, you know. But I love how it looks. I 492 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: love how it looks. I think it love I love 493 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: that the front carries over some of this Daytona styling 494 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: that we saw in the twelve cylinder called the twelve cylinder, 495 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 1: if you will recall the car that I drove a 496 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,239 Speaker 1: month ago, which I actually find very ironic that they 497 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: do still make twelve cylinders. They're just not putting them 498 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 1: in their hypercar. But I love the design. 499 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 2: There is a styling queue that I think they've taken 500 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 2: from the twelve cylinder somehow. They like to put a 501 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 2: strip on the hood. 502 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: That's the Daytona look. 503 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 2: Between the bumper and the hood, and they do that 504 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 2: on the F eighty as well. 505 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,239 Speaker 1: Yes they do. And then of course, like from the 506 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 1: rear view, if you look sort of from the top, 507 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: I definitely see elements of the F forty, which of 508 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: course is like to me, for anyone from our generation, 509 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 1: the most iconic Ferrari at the moment, it's it's it's 510 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: sort of squared off. 511 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 2: With like you're in a slightly younger generation, Hannah, because 512 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 2: for me, for my generation, it's Magnum p I's three. 513 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: To eighth, right, Well are you gen. 514 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 2: X Yeah, generation golf, as they say in Germany. 515 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: I'm an elder millennial, so I guess we are different generations. 516 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and millennials love the F forty. I obviously love 517 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 2: it too. I grew up in high school that it 518 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 2: came out for me, but Magnum will always have for 519 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 2: someone in my age group. Really, Yeah, that's why I 520 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 2: wear the Hawaiian shirts, the mustache, the whole thing it's 521 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 2: all about. 522 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so funny with that mustache. I remember when 523 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 1: I sort of it dawned on me that he was 524 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: considered a sex symbol. It was. It was quite a shock. 525 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 2: Short shorts, hairy chest. 526 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 1: What I thought he was a bit camp. 527 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 2: Wait, he was like Monica boyfriend in Friends. 528 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: Remember, Yeah, I do remember, And that was I think 529 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: that might have been when I sort of realized, oh 530 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: there is something there. 531 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. The dimples so cute. 532 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: Sure, I'm not into dimples. 533 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 2: Back to the car, yeah, yeah, So back to the 534 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 2: F eighty. You liked the styling. 535 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: I love it. 536 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 2: I didn't, to be honest, I didn't really pay much 537 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 2: attention anymore after I saw that it was a V six, 538 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 2: because I think they're really that is, I mean it is. 539 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 1: It's just wild to me that they are not putting 540 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: their biggest cylinder engine in their biggest, big boy car. 541 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: It's funny. It is kind of funny. 542 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, so maybe it'll be fun And like I mean, 543 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 2: the GTR is a great car. The Nissan GTR is 544 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 2: a V six, right, so. 545 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: We can't put Nissan GTR and Ferrari F eighty in 546 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 1: the same sentence that we can't we can't, I do. 547 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 1: I do think that. You know, Ferrari is still pushing 548 00:27:54,760 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: toward launching their first electric supercar in the fourth quarter 549 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 1: of next year, and they're sticking with it. So it's 550 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: I guess it comes as no surprise that they are 551 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 1: introducing things along that path, like a hybrid. 552 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 2: Yeah right, No, a hybrid makes perfect sense to me. 553 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 2: You can get so much more power, you can get 554 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 2: ridiculous torque. That's how the Mercedes AMG S sixty three 555 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 2: makes over one thousand pound feet of torque because of 556 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 2: the hybrid system. I mean, otherwise you don't find those 557 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 2: numbers in anything short of, you know, like a diesel truck. 558 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 2: So I love the hybrid idea, but I just don't 559 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 2: know why they want to do a V six when 560 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 2: you're talking about multimillion dollar car. You're not even going 561 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 2: to make a thousand, So it's not about the environment. 562 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 2: I guess you're making a statement that your F one 563 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 2: technology also carries over into your hypercars. That's my guess. 564 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,719 Speaker 1: I think so. And also, let's not forget the Ferrari. 565 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: La Ferrari is a hybrid. 566 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 2: Yeah no, hybrid's great. It's just yeah, of course I 567 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 2: got to drive Sergio Marcioni's La Ferraris. 568 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: That is major for like, I. 569 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 2: Don't know, forty five seconds maybe around That is a car. 570 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: I haven't driven. And what did you feel? Oh? 571 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think I exceeded like ten miles 572 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 2: an hour and it counts. I just was. I loved Sergio, 573 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 2: you know so, and it was exciting to obviously drive 574 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 2: the car, even very slowly. 575 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: That's cool. It still counts. Yeah, no, you're putting that 576 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: not true. 577 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 2: So wait then I've driven two Ferraris, because I've also 578 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 2: driven the ff Yes, which I adore. 579 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: Great, it's a great car. I saw one the other 580 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: day on the road. I was it was like, it 581 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: looks so different and unusual. 582 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 2: Those are fantastic. I mean, I know it's already it 583 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 2: was in last year's bowlmarket list and or two years ago. 584 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 2: But you can still find them for the cool one hundred, 585 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty grand, and you know they're going 586 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 2: to be worth a lot more. 587 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: They're they're so cool. They're so cool and very like again, 588 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,479 Speaker 1: very unusual. I mean driving to work through Beverly Hills 589 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: every day, is a very desensitizing thing because I see 590 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: so many, so many expensive cars, but the FF stands 591 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: out and it's very cool. 592 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 2: I also like the z BMW's Z three or Z 593 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 2: three as some would can shoe. Yes, the clown shoe version. 594 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: Of course you do, Matt, of course you do. 595 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 2: It's le kind of cool. And by the way, MG 596 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 2: also made there was an MG midget that also had 597 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 2: kind of the clown. 598 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: Shoe configuration company or the comparison you. I like the 599 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: bread Man, a man of your size and stature. 600 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 2: I'm just saying from the outside looking in, you know, purple, 601 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 2: I would be happily. Purple is one of my favorite 602 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 2: car colors. Honestly, I love a purple car. 603 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: One of your dad shirts in that car. That is 604 00:30:59,160 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: quite a sight. 605 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 2: It's a little sad when you put it all together 606 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 2: like that, but yeah, no, I'm a fan. By the way, 607 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 2: speaking of dad shirts and dad cars, I spent another 608 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 2: week with the outgoing Jaguar F type. 609 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: How long have you had that? 610 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 2: No, No, I got it for I don't know why 611 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 2: they gave it to me for another week. And rather 612 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 2: than saying I've already driven that three months ago, I 613 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 2: was like, okay, yes, thank you, because to me, okay, 614 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 2: they're not going to make that anymore. It's the end 615 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 2: of the line for the F type, at least with 616 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 2: the supercharged five leader in it, and that's a great 617 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 2: classic motor and it's just it reminded me how much 618 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 2: fun a simple sports car is. It's not like the 619 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 2: Aston Martin that I had a few weeks ago, the 620 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 2: vantage that you've also driven. It's fun, but you're always 621 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 2: kind of trying to push the limit because it's an 622 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 2: Aston Martin vantage yea and the but this was I 623 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 2: felt happy just motoring along, you know, wishing it had 624 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 2: a stick shift. It doesn't have that, but that's like 625 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 2: the only thing it doesn't have. It's British racing green. 626 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 2: It had tan leather interior, it's a rag top. It 627 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 2: sounds amazing when you get on the gas. And it 628 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 2: was just such a pleasure, such an elegant design. And 629 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 2: there's there's still in my opinion, like for a new car, 630 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 2: it's overpriced because you can buy a C eight Corvette 631 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 2: for the same price, and obviously I'm choosing the Cate 632 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 2: Corvette every single day of the week, ob but it 633 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 2: was it was fun, for a dad. 634 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: I remember loving the F Type when it came out 635 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: eleven years ago and thinking it was such a great car, 636 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: such a great value. And I agree with everything except 637 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: for it came out eleven years ago. True, and and 638 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: it's and maybe in the maybe it'll have a little 639 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: pop in the aftermarket because of all the things that 640 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: you've just described. 641 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 2: But it still won't go for the new MSR B. 642 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, they know it's at this point it's 643 00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: not competitive anymore. 644 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, true, especially at that price. I mean, you're just 645 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 2: paying for the motor. Really. But by the way, I 646 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 2: drive a twenty twenty three Dodge Challenger. They came out 647 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 2: in like two thousand and eight, so that should tell 648 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 2: you something about my taste. 649 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: Right, Well, the shirts did it? And then the clown 650 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: shoe did it? Tommy Bahama, Yeah yeah, all of the above. 651 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 2: All right, So do you have driven some I think 652 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 2: at least mildly interesting cars. Recently we talked about the 653 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 2: G Class a little bit. Did your spin by the way, yeah? 654 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: Did? 655 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 2: We'll have to at least big them up a little 656 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 2: for doing it right, for trying something creative and different, 657 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 2: even if it's useless. 658 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: Completely and again you know that car is so capable. 659 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: I think I went to a dinner the week I 660 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: had it and sat next to I'm not going to 661 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: blow him up, but he was the founder of the 662 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: founder of a very prominent social media company who only 663 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: drives EV's. 664 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 2: And okay, that does not limit it. 665 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: I think I think he's gonna he I think he 666 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: might get one. I think. I mean because I had 667 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,919 Speaker 1: it that night and I was raving about it. And 668 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,760 Speaker 1: you know, he had never considered a g wagon before 669 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: because he only drives EV's. But now that there's an 670 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: EV version, he seemed I was like, you gotta try it. 671 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: It's so capable and fun, and they did a good 672 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 1: job with it. 673 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 2: The only thing any listener is wondering right now is 674 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 2: who was it? Right? Did he have a spock haircut? 675 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. 676 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 2: Does he only eat what he kills? 677 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: Mark? No? No, no, no no. 678 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 2: Did he almost have a cage match with Elon Musk No? 679 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: No, no, is not not not Elon? 680 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 2: And I was thinking about Zuck, although I think he's 681 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,439 Speaker 2: thrown his hair out now and he wears like gold 682 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 2: medallions over a turtleneck. 683 00:34:56,120 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 1: It's not It's not Mark either, but anyway, great, great fun. 684 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: And then this week I had the GLC, the new 685 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: GLC hybrid from Mercedes, which weirdly is under embargo until 686 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,839 Speaker 1: next week, so I can't really talk about driving it. 687 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,399 Speaker 1: But that was a bit of a different Let's say 688 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 1: that was a bit of a less memorable. 689 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 2: Is it their macn Is it fair to say that's 690 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,919 Speaker 2: their Macon challenger because I think Maccon takes a bake 691 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 2: sure in that. 692 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: Segment, Yeah, you could, you could say that. I mean, yeah, 693 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: mccon actually is kind of distinctive. I really like, I 694 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,720 Speaker 1: feel like. So this was the gl C three fifty 695 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: in graphite gray metallic, and you know, I would just 696 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: say not as memorable. 697 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 2: But fantastic electronics. The end box system was amazing. 698 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: And and I drove that all the way to Palm Spring, 699 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,360 Speaker 1: all the way to Lakinta, which is forty five minutes 700 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: beyond Palm Springs, and back for a wedding this past 701 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: weekend and o it to working back all week and 702 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: only put gas in it once in all of that time, 703 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: which was awesome because I hate having to stop by 704 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: the gas station. Really that actually, yes. 705 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 2: You're like stopping in the gas station does anybody. I 706 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:17,399 Speaker 2: love it. 707 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: No, what are you one of those guys that gets 708 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: out and cleans the wind She is clean the wind shield. 709 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 2: You know you're you're filling up. You get the smell 710 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 2: of the gas. You're nodding at other dudes to her. 711 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: Other dads about their cars, saying, yo, you know what's 712 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 1: under the hood. Yeah, yeah, I recognize you. Okay, well 713 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 1: you can. You can gas up all my cars. Then 714 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 1: next time you come to la do. 715 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 2: You have a favorite Do you have a favorite gas 716 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 2: station in La is No? 717 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: No, no. 718 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 2: I figured there'd be some old timey, like super stylish 719 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 2: gas station that you go to. 720 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,800 Speaker 1: There is an old timey, super stylish gas station in 721 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills, and I think it's I'm forgetting it might 722 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 1: be on Santa Monica. It's like it looks like a 723 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: space it looks like something from the Jetsons. It's kind 724 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 1: of famous. But the thing about that station is and 725 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: it's really pretty and it makes for cool photographs. But 726 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: the gas there is like a dollar more per gallon 727 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: than everyone else, so I don't go there. Yeah, but 728 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: that's like the only one. No, I mean, no gas 729 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: stations around here are just like crummy they're just not. 730 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 2: No, we have some pretty nice ones in West chest that's. 731 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 1: Very lucky for you. And you know the thing is, 732 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: I when I was growing up in Oregon, Oregon, you 733 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 1: didn't pump your own gas, which is awesome. So just 734 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: roll up and have someone. 735 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 2: Else do it, full service rules. I totally love that. 736 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 2: So we have a gas station on the corner down 737 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 2: the street from me and they do full service, which 738 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,359 Speaker 2: is one benefit nice. But the other benefit is they 739 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,359 Speaker 2: have a garage with two lifts in it. And the 740 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 2: old guy who owns the place is always working on 741 00:37:55,560 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 2: classic cars. So he always has like sixties Camaros, Mustang 742 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 2: C two, C three corvettes, everything, Like I think he 743 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 2: has a Buick Riviera parked in front of his, like 744 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 2: a seventies rive in front of his. He always he 745 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 2: always parks the classic cars that he's working on around 746 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 2: the gas station like lot to make it look cooler. 747 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,359 Speaker 2: And it works. That's like really working. 748 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: And this is an independently owned gas station. Yep, yep, 749 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 1: that's I wish that there were those here. I don't 750 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: know any. 751 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,359 Speaker 2: It's quite cool. Currently about four dollars a gallon for. 752 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 1: Premium, Okay, not so bad. Great. 753 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,399 Speaker 2: If we're wrapping up the car portion of I'm driving 754 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,240 Speaker 2: a motorcycle that I kind of want to talk about. 755 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 2: Do it okay. So maybe a lot of people are 756 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 2: going to turn off right now because it's only two wheels. 757 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:47,399 Speaker 2: But I have a love for Indian because I think 758 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,799 Speaker 2: it's cool that someone is trying to put up some 759 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,400 Speaker 2: competition to Harley. Right there are European cruisers, I know, 760 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 2: and obviously Japanese cruisers, but there's no real Harley competitors. 761 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,760 Speaker 2: So I've always liked the Indian. I love the Chief, 762 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 2: and I think the build quality is fantastic. They haven't 763 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:12,279 Speaker 2: really met I think Harley's performance, and there's some drawbacks 764 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 2: to like the Thunderstroke versus the Milwaukee eight. Harley's can 765 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 2: keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and I think 766 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 2: this Thunderstroke is about as big as I can get 767 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 2: right now. So they're gonna have to make a new motor. 768 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,320 Speaker 2: But the Scout is their most popular line, the Indian Scout, 769 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 2: and I never really considered it because seems like more 770 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 2: of a beginner bike, and I know that's probably not fair. 771 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 2: It's like talking about the Porsche came in as like 772 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 2: the beginner nine to eleven. But now they have a 773 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 2: new scout out, a brand new, fully redesigned and there's 774 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 2: one called the one oh one, which is like the 775 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 2: top of the line. It has one hundred and I 776 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,760 Speaker 2: think one hundred and ten horsepower, but it's a feet 777 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:53,239 Speaker 2: forward cruiser and I think it's beautiful. But I so 778 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 2: Indian lent me one to test drive, and I sat 779 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 2: in my driveway for a while because I think it's beautiful, 780 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 2: but I didn't think it would be that fun to drive. 781 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 2: And last weekend I took it out for a couple 782 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 2: hours on Saturday, and then I took it out for 783 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,879 Speaker 2: a couple hours on Sunday, and now I've been riding 784 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 2: it every day after work. Wow, super fun to drive? Really, yes? 785 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 1: What about it makes it fun? 786 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 2: So it's kind of soft in the sense that I'm 787 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,240 Speaker 2: used to writing and do Cootti's normally quite a radical difference, 788 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,560 Speaker 2: and so you know, there's there's not that much of 789 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,360 Speaker 2: a friction point in the clutch and you have to 790 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 2: really spool it up before it gets going. It's not 791 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 2: a torque monster like an air cool big air cooled twin. 792 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 2: It's a liquid cool twelve fifty. But it's kind of 793 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 2: nice on a cruiser to have to take away a 794 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 2: little bit of that sharp, kick you in the butt 795 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 2: kind of thing. 796 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 1: Just easy, like easy. 797 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 2: When you're easy, when you want it easy, yes, and 798 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 2: then when you do spool it up, it can go 799 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 2: fast and the suspension is shockingly the geometry and suspension 800 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 2: are amazing, Like, im my feet are way on in 801 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 2: front of you. But I can easily throw it in 802 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,439 Speaker 2: the corners, I can weave between cars. It's got double 803 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 2: disc brendos, so I can really put a stop on it, 804 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 2: and so like when I want to get sporty, I can. 805 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 2: But for the most part I'm just up on Highway 806 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,600 Speaker 2: twenty two, cruising out to Bedford, taking it easy. And 807 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 2: it's such a good looking, well designed bike like Indian 808 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,480 Speaker 2: does these little touches like the triple tree top is 809 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,399 Speaker 2: engraved and they just go the extra step. I think 810 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 2: in design that Harley doesn't feel the need to because 811 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 2: Harley can command a premium anyway, and Harley's got it 812 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 2: down with the motor. 813 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,319 Speaker 1: So what's the price point on the one you drove? 814 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 2: They're expensive? 815 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 1: Are they over fifteen thousand? 816 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think just if you get the one oh 817 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 2: one version, right, so if you get the base model, 818 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,000 Speaker 2: it's probably like fourteen, and if you get the one 819 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:52,919 Speaker 2: oh one version, it's seventeen. But for that you get 820 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 2: the abs, which on the base model is an option, 821 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,360 Speaker 2: so you get some things that are optional. Okay, you 822 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,360 Speaker 2: don't end up spending much more money. And it is 823 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 2: has just provided me with, you know, this perfect mindset 824 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,239 Speaker 2: on weekends, like it's the best way to get rid 825 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,279 Speaker 2: of stress and you're focused on riding or else you're 826 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:15,839 Speaker 2: gonna die, you know. But anyway, Yeah, it's it's it's 827 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 2: really got to the point where I've been like looking 828 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 2: on the Indian forum, starting to look for starting to 829 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,319 Speaker 2: look for secondhand. It just came out. But I like 830 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,160 Speaker 2: the dealer near me, the kid who works there buys 831 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:27,960 Speaker 2: the new bike every year, so he's gonna sell this one, 832 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,000 Speaker 2: and I'm like, hmm, maybe I'll pick it up. You know. 833 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,240 Speaker 1: That's what's the seat configuration? Is it just the one? 834 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,960 Speaker 2: It's just one? You know, you can buy a two 835 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,759 Speaker 2: up seat. There might be a uh, you know, a 836 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,359 Speaker 2: way that you could put a passenger on the back. 837 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 2: I wouldn't subject to anyone to that, but does you 838 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,680 Speaker 2: at all, she will ride with me. On occasion, she 839 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,279 Speaker 2: rides herself, so she doesn't love to ride behind me 840 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,800 Speaker 2: unless there's like a sissy bar and it's totally custom. 841 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 2: But otherwise she has her own bike. So but yeah, 842 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:03,080 Speaker 2: it's it's just a fantastic product and it makes me, 843 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,719 Speaker 2: It gives me hope that we have more than a 844 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,880 Speaker 2: monopoly on big twin cruisers in this country. 845 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:13,399 Speaker 1: Do you feel in any way judged or less than 846 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,200 Speaker 1: when you're on an Indian versus being on a Harley? 847 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,280 Speaker 2: No, No, because this is great. Yeah, like I said, 848 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,879 Speaker 2: you know, Indian, I think they do a better job 849 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,200 Speaker 2: in terms of in terms of attention to detail. Yeah, 850 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:29,560 Speaker 2: you know, for example, Indian has this round digital dash 851 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,080 Speaker 2: that is super useful and works as a navigation system. 852 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,600 Speaker 2: So even if you don't have your phone with you, 853 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,319 Speaker 2: you don't have to pay a thousand extra bucks for 854 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,399 Speaker 2: like a Zoomo set up. You can just use that 855 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,560 Speaker 2: as the navigation. You know. With other more expensive bikes 856 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,560 Speaker 2: like Dukati will have an amazing digital dash with a 857 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,200 Speaker 2: tft screen, but you have to like have an app 858 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 2: and also have your phone, and it never connects. It 859 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 2: doesn't work. 860 00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,759 Speaker 1: You can never connect the apps they always tell me 861 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,240 Speaker 1: to and I'm just like now. 862 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm like, hey, why don't you just like 863 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 2: put a nap in there or put Apple CarPlay, Like 864 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,839 Speaker 2: stop trying to pretend you're gonna beat Apple at this game. 865 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,280 Speaker 1: The last thing I need is another app. 866 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. But so yeah, it's very cool. It's it's really 867 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:15,840 Speaker 2: it's really high quality. 868 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,640 Speaker 1: That's really cool. I hope you can get one. 869 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,280 Speaker 2: Maybe, Well, we'll see, fun, we'll see. 870 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,600 Speaker 1: I drove a Scout in twenty fifteen. I was just 871 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,279 Speaker 1: trying to think that might have been the last time 872 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:27,960 Speaker 1: I was on one. 873 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:29,800 Speaker 2: I remember you wrote a review for Pursuits. 874 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,440 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and I really liked it. Again, like not 875 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,840 Speaker 1: really my thing. You know. I learned on a Ducatti 876 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,879 Speaker 1: and I kind of like dirt bikes and that sort 877 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 1: of thing. But to your point, I had a lot 878 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:45,520 Speaker 1: of fun. It's just it was just like relaxing and nice, 879 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:46,640 Speaker 1: as I recall. 880 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty cool stuff. 881 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. I know that a couple of you had actually 882 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,719 Speaker 1: mentioned in some emails. It'd be great to know sort 883 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,840 Speaker 1: of in general, the profit per vehicle that we're talking 884 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,920 Speaker 1: about when we talk about these big automakers. And I 885 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,880 Speaker 1: can tell you that Bloomberg Intelligence does have that data, 886 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,760 Speaker 1: and actually Stilantis, according to Bloomberg Intelligence, has the highest 887 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,520 Speaker 1: profit per vehicle across all of its brands. It makes 888 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:18,440 Speaker 1: about four thousand dollars per vehicle. The next is Toyota, 889 00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,319 Speaker 1: which makes almost three thousand dollars per vehicle, and then 890 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,000 Speaker 1: after that it's Hyundai, which makes about the same. So 891 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,360 Speaker 1: I thought that was really interesting. VW as a brand 892 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,360 Speaker 1: makes it looks like around one thousand dollars a vehicle, 893 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,960 Speaker 1: which is these aren't to me. I was actually surprised 894 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,680 Speaker 1: it wasn't more, especially because VW has a lot of 895 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:39,960 Speaker 1: our favorite luxury brands. 896 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:44,279 Speaker 2: True. Wow, does that include Porsia, Bentley, Lamborghinis. 897 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,279 Speaker 1: That's just across all brands. That also includes you know, 898 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,280 Speaker 1: the brand Volkswagen. 899 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,800 Speaker 2: Which of course I wonder they're doing so poorly. 900 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:52,400 Speaker 1: Right there, you have all. 901 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,560 Speaker 2: Those luxury brands and you're only making a grand perr. 902 00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,640 Speaker 1: And that's also why Porsche, by far is there, you know, 903 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:00,920 Speaker 1: makes the most profit. 904 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. We used to say when I was a cub 905 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,200 Speaker 2: reporter and I just started a Bloomberg and Frankfurt in 906 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,680 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine, we always described Porscha as the most 907 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 2: profitable car maker in the world. 908 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know about that, but it certainly. 909 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,200 Speaker 2: It was then, is what I'm saying. I was gonna say, oh, 910 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,880 Speaker 2: it definitely was. That was vetted and we used that 911 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,000 Speaker 2: staff for years. 912 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,839 Speaker 1: I was going to say, after one week after its 913 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,319 Speaker 1: IPO in twenty twenty two, I just was reading it 914 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,480 Speaker 1: was it was indeed the most the most valuable automaker 915 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:31,240 Speaker 1: in Europe. 916 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:37,560 Speaker 2: Right, But I feel like in terms of profit, Ferrari 917 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,880 Speaker 2: may take the cake. They just have huge well, and 918 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,560 Speaker 2: Tesla also has has huge margins. I know they've been 919 00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:49,719 Speaker 2: shrinking substantially, but Tesla has very big margins. Ferrari has 920 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,080 Speaker 2: very big margins. And you know, Tesla is the biggest 921 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,520 Speaker 2: car maker of all time. And I think Ferrari's even 922 00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,880 Speaker 2: bigger than Porsha now right, because Porscha's worth about sixty 923 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:01,760 Speaker 2: billion euros. 924 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,040 Speaker 1: And you mean in terms of the valuation yeah, market cap? 925 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,160 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, not in terms of sales. 926 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,239 Speaker 2: No, No, in terms of their market cap. 927 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,839 Speaker 1: I will say I saw one more note from BI 928 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:17,960 Speaker 1: that was talking about Ford and their expected losses per EV. 929 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,799 Speaker 1: You mentioned Tesla of course being valued so high as 930 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:26,680 Speaker 1: an electric vehicle maker. Ford in twenty twenty four is 931 00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:32,280 Speaker 1: expected to lose fifty four thousand dollars per EV, which 932 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:36,880 Speaker 1: is wild, and next year in twenty twenty five, is 933 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:41,279 Speaker 1: expected to lose thirty six thousand dollars per EV. And 934 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,279 Speaker 1: I know Jim Farley, who we've had on this podcast, 935 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,520 Speaker 1: has has said that Ford will not launch any product 936 00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,719 Speaker 1: that can't make money in the first twelve months of 937 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:56,360 Speaker 1: the year. But according to Joel Levington, who wrote this report, 938 00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,760 Speaker 1: you know, he says that that goal is highly uncertain. 939 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,080 Speaker 1: Just seems like it's it's bad. 940 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,000 Speaker 2: And General Motors, to its credit, has done a much 941 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:09,480 Speaker 2: better job of dealing with EV losses. You know, they 942 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,680 Speaker 2: just put out a bang up earnings report speaking of 943 00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,600 Speaker 2: Bloomberg ye stuff. And I love to go through the 944 00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,640 Speaker 2: market caps of these companies. I just said, Porsche is 945 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,240 Speaker 2: a sixty billion euro company, so it's like seventy billion 946 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,759 Speaker 2: dollars if you look at the so Ferrari is an 947 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:32,040 Speaker 2: eighty six billion dollar company, bigger than Porsche and almost 948 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,319 Speaker 2: exactly twice as big as Ford. Right forward is a 949 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,080 Speaker 2: forty three billion dollar company, and Ferrari's worth eighty six billion. 950 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,320 Speaker 2: But Tesla blows away all of them at six hundred 951 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,680 Speaker 2: and eighty billion dollars in market cap. 952 00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,040 Speaker 1: That's insane, that is really and that's amazing. I mean, 953 00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,200 Speaker 1: you have to give Tesla credit because they don't They're 954 00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,200 Speaker 1: out there alone. They don't have a parent you know, 955 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,240 Speaker 1: there's no parent company behind Tesla. No, right, Tesla's Tesla. 956 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,919 Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean every car company plus like every 957 00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:08,080 Speaker 2: car company together globally is probably still worth less than Tesla. 958 00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,920 Speaker 2: By the way, they only have one like American I 959 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:16,319 Speaker 2: think competitor upstarts oh yes, which is Rivian. And we 960 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:22,280 Speaker 2: had a Bloomberg story out on the normal Indiana manufacturer today. 961 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,040 Speaker 1: You know, I thought this was so interesting and I 962 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,839 Speaker 1: liked it because it illustrates exactly what I mean when 963 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,719 Speaker 1: I say that making cars is hard. And the headline 964 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,400 Speaker 1: of the story is crack skull, fractured bones show danger 965 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:41,120 Speaker 1: for Rivian's factory workers. And the story is about workers 966 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:48,960 Speaker 1: at Rivian's factory reporting incidences and accidents and receiving and 967 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:54,840 Speaker 1: the company receiving citations and penalties for having a dangerous workplace. 968 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,680 Speaker 2: For instance, they've had sixteen serious violations in the past 969 00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,439 Speaker 2: twenty one months. They've had yes serious injuries than any 970 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,600 Speaker 2: other car maker so far in the last well since 971 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,880 Speaker 2: the start of last year. Let's say so twenty one months, 972 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,120 Speaker 2: that's you know, yeah, twenty three and so far in 973 00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:14,480 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. And one former employee interviewed by Bloomberg 974 00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,360 Speaker 2: said she complained to doctors last year of vomiting bile 975 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,120 Speaker 2: with a Rivian blue hues. 976 00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,439 Speaker 1: That sounds like a horror movie. 977 00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,239 Speaker 2: After painting automobiles with her out a respirator. And you 978 00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:29,080 Speaker 2: got to ask yourself, not only why would they let 979 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,319 Speaker 2: her paint automobiles without a respirator, but why would she 980 00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,640 Speaker 2: paint automobiles without a respirator. 981 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:35,520 Speaker 1: This is true. 982 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,200 Speaker 2: This is true even at a mom and pop shop, 983 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,720 Speaker 2: if you're painting cars, you need to put on a mask. 984 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:45,200 Speaker 1: This to me, it's just a clear indicator that there 985 00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:49,000 Speaker 1: are not This is not decades and decades of automaking 986 00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,960 Speaker 1: clearly here. This is. This is new. This is new 987 00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:56,279 Speaker 1: for this company. And I can't tell you how many 988 00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,600 Speaker 1: times people ask me about Rivian and I say, think 989 00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,560 Speaker 1: what you will about the product, But the company is 990 00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,839 Speaker 1: a startup mentality, and it's a Silicon Valley mentality that 991 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,600 Speaker 1: is now realizing and recognizing that it's a lot harder 992 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:15,880 Speaker 1: to make cars, not computers, but actual cars than they thought, 993 00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,560 Speaker 1: and this is a clear example, in my opinion, I 994 00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:20,799 Speaker 1: still will fascinating. 995 00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,080 Speaker 2: Do you really I've never driven one, I've never been 996 00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:28,759 Speaker 2: in one, but Mariu this week put together on the 997 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:34,080 Speaker 2: Volvo configurator her dream EX ninety, right, which is I'm. 998 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,120 Speaker 1: A big fan of Volvo. 999 00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,400 Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of the design. Yeah, I obviously 1000 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,960 Speaker 2: don't know. I haven't driven the Ex ninety, but it 1001 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,120 Speaker 2: was not like ninety three thousand dollars when she finished 1002 00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:45,719 Speaker 2: configuring it. 1003 00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,160 Speaker 1: It's expensive, I know, I can. 1004 00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,640 Speaker 2: Get a Rivian with with like the trimotor Arrivian with 1005 00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:54,000 Speaker 2: like eight hundred and fifty horsepower for the same price. 1006 00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,279 Speaker 2: So yeah, all right, that's probably all we have to 1007 00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:58,160 Speaker 2: talk about this week. 1008 00:51:58,200 --> 00:51:58,520 Speaker 1: That's it. 1009 00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,799 Speaker 2: That's it, Yes, that's all. 1010 00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,480 Speaker 1: This weekend, I am going to go to a very 1011 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,759 Speaker 1: cool auction in La the arms side of the BUSUS holding. 1012 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,600 Speaker 1: It's called the Junkyard. Have you heard about this? 1013 00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:10,839 Speaker 2: No, but I already love it because of the name. 1014 00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,120 Speaker 1: I got to Cindy the link. It's super cool. It's 1015 00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:18,919 Speaker 1: basically this hoarder named Rudy Klein who has hoarded cars 1016 00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,839 Speaker 1: and parts and machines and components since the sixties. 1017 00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,239 Speaker 2: Do they all look like barn finds, only worse because 1018 00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:25,760 Speaker 2: I think I've. 1019 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:26,960 Speaker 1: Seen Yeah, sure you have. 1020 00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:28,360 Speaker 2: I'm sure you seen pictures. 1021 00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,799 Speaker 1: I'm sure. I mean it's crazy, but there are a 1022 00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,560 Speaker 1: couple diamonds in the rough. There's like this nineteen fifty 1023 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,320 Speaker 1: seven three hundred sl that they think they're going to 1024 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,879 Speaker 1: get eight hundred thousand and two million dollars on. We'll see. 1025 00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,000 Speaker 1: And there are tons of Porschas and other things too. 1026 00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,360 Speaker 1: So I'm going to go to that. I'm super excited. 1027 00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,239 Speaker 2: Nice. Well, yeah, I look forward to hearing about it. 1028 00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,399 Speaker 2: I went to a suite like bring a Trailer car 1029 00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,920 Speaker 2: show at the Coker Farm in Bedford last weekend. It 1030 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,600 Speaker 2: was a blast, but mainly because the guy who owns 1031 00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:02,400 Speaker 2: the farm, Philip Richter, owed me and Edna, most importantly 1032 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,799 Speaker 2: my four year old daughter around his the horse barn 1033 00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,280 Speaker 2: and they have like Olympic level jumpers there. They actually 1034 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:14,040 Speaker 2: sent horses to the nineteen eighty eight Olympics and incredible. 1035 00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,799 Speaker 2: So Edna got to see the horses, and then I 1036 00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,400 Speaker 2: got to see his own private collection, including a packard 1037 00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,000 Speaker 2: that I can't wait to drive. We didn't have time. 1038 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:25,919 Speaker 1: Well, sounds like we need to have them on the show. 1039 00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:31,279 Speaker 2: Yes, we definitely should do that. So yeah, have a 1040 00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:32,640 Speaker 2: great time at the junk yard. 1041 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:34,200 Speaker 1: I'll send you pictures. 1042 00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,560 Speaker 2: Yes, I'm having a birthday party for Edna on Saturday, 1043 00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,040 Speaker 2: so she's actually turning for today. 1044 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,040 Speaker 1: This is a really big deal. Do you remember when 1045 00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:43,520 Speaker 1: you were four? 1046 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:50,000 Speaker 2: I remember bits and pieces of it. I remember getting 1047 00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:54,040 Speaker 2: some chewing gum stuck in the upholstery of my dad's 1048 00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:55,800 Speaker 2: blue sixty four Mustang. 1049 00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,720 Speaker 1: No way, which did you get in trouble? 1050 00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:00,880 Speaker 2: I think I got in trouble, which is why I remember. 1051 00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,640 Speaker 2: I also remember riding on the back of my grandmother's 1052 00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,200 Speaker 2: Cadillac Eldorado convertible. She had a black one with red leather, 1053 00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,680 Speaker 2: and if we went to church on Sunday, she would 1054 00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:16,160 Speaker 2: take us to Krispy Kreme Donuts in the Cadillac and 1055 00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,680 Speaker 2: we we would sit up on the top of the 1056 00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,160 Speaker 2: back seat. You know. Back back then, my parents would 1057 00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:24,680 Speaker 2: let me ride around the back of a pickup truck. 1058 00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,760 Speaker 2: Like now, we have to have rear facing car seats, 1059 00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:28,840 Speaker 2: so it's a different. 1060 00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:31,120 Speaker 1: That's who I love. 1061 00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,440 Speaker 2: That cool well, I'm Matt Miller, and 1062 00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,600 Speaker 1: I'm Anna Elliott and this is Bloomberg.