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Speaker 1: So Ray smit Barkley's back. Lets you go up. It's

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Speaker 2: Phenomenal talent, Lake Barkley, and he's filed down low.

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Speaker 3: You're talking about box office in Marquis Vanu. Barckley's a

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the second bonus episode of NBA DNA with me.

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Speaker 3: Hannah Storm, my guest today is a broadcast legend and

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Speaker 4: The eight rebound already Barkley, Nobody cut him off.

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Speaker 3: Barkley. Charles Barkley's journey is a testament to his exceptional talent,

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Speaker 3: self confidence, and ability to think outside the box.

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Speaker 2: Charl's just take it over now.

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Speaker 5: Oh that's the path of the year.

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Speaker 3: After being named SEC Player of the Year in nineteen

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Speaker 2: To fou foun it out Have.

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Speaker 3: Over his sixteen year NBA career, he averaged twenty two

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Speaker 6: Nickname, the brand through the Low Bowl food world, the

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Speaker 6: Crystal Kim put in myself a favorite, the wildload me

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Speaker 1: For now, my favorite is a round mound rebound.

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Speaker 3: He is a two time Olympic gold medalist, and at

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Speaker 3: the ninety two Games in Barcelona, he was the top

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Speaker 4: You led your team and assists, You let them in rebounds,

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Speaker 3: The very next season, he moved to the Phoenix Suns,

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Speaker 3: capturing the NBA's MVP award and led the team to

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Speaker 4: The fans here and around America.

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Speaker 1: Join me in congratulating you.

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Speaker 4: Charles Barclay, the nineteen ninety two three National Basketball Association Most.

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Speaker 3: Valuable Barkley spent four seasons in Phoenix, earning All Star

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Speaker 7: Hellow, ladies and gentlemen, but man.

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Speaker 8: We all know and love Charles Buckley.

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Speaker 3: That was just the first chapter for Sir Charles, as

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Speaker 6: God, you want us to win the world Championship.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I go that much, y'all. I'd

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Speaker 2: How much he winds up in the cheerleading section and

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Speaker 3: His TV colleagues call him the Chuckster, and as he

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Speaker 3: I give you, Sir Charles. So Charles, first of all,

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Speaker 8: Number one. Thank you for having me. We've come a

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Speaker 8: You know, we both had incredible, amazing lives. But every

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Speaker 1: The first thing that happened was Magic and Larry Bird,

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Speaker 1: We said that he and Larry Bird are more alike than.

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Speaker 1: What a pass by Magic Johnson?

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Speaker 8: Because it was two black, two thuggery, two minute drug

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Speaker 3: He put on a show with me. So your teammates,

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Speaker 1: They made as much so.

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Speaker 8: Michael and scott had talked before Togain like this guy

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Speaker 3: What was for you your proudest moment of those Olympics

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Speaker 4: Last week, we had your new coach, Doug Moe in

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Speaker 1: See eighty three found already Barklay.

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Speaker 3: Nobody cut him off. Barkley.

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Speaker 8: One day, my agent calls me. This is three years

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Speaker 8: I knew I smelt like if somebody a little match

438
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 8: around me, I might have exploded. But I was like

439
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,479
Speaker 8: and I to this day, I don't even remember. It

440
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 8: was so long ago, how bad or good I played.

441
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 8: But when I got traded to Phoenix, man, it was

442
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 8: it was, it was. It was a godsender.

443
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 3: Obviously you knew about the Suns, but did you know

444
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 3: anything about Phoenix at the time, Like, what were your

445
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 3: impressions before you got there of the city.

446
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,879
Speaker 8: I don't know. You know, when you play in the East.

447
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 8: When you play in the East, you go out west

448
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,639
Speaker 8: once a year. So when I went to Phoenix, it

449
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 8: was either just for the day before and then you

450
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 8: play the game, then you leave, or you don't spend

451
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 8: a lot of time there. I knew it was beautiful scenery, uh,

452
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,879
Speaker 8: and it was always great to get off the East

453
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:46,879
Speaker 8: Coast during the winter.

454
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you a funny starting.

455
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 8: So we played in Phoenix and I ordered some golf clubs,

456
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 8: and that was like five months before I got traded.

457
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 8: So I get arrested that summer for fighting Milwauke, and

458
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 8: I'm writing a letter to the Sixers. Me and my agent,

459
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,679
Speaker 8: my attorney. We worked on a letter all week. You know,

460
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 8: the Philadelphia fans have always been great to me. I

461
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 8: don't want to alienate them. Let's write a letter to

462
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 8: the Sixers. Well, give it to them when I get

463
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 8: back to Philly next Monday, because I was on trial

464
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 8: all week, and I said, hey, I want to thank

465
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 8: y'all for the draft of me and this opportunity, but

466
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 8: it's time for us to go our separate ways. I

467
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 8: don't want to piss the fans off, but They've been

468
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 8: great to me the entire time, but I want you

469
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 8: all to know I'm not coming back to training camp.

470
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 8: Y'all handle this how y'all want to. I would like

471
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 8: to keep it civil, but I just have had enough.

472
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 8: I've been on the trading block for three years. It's

473
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 8: driving me crazy. I'm wasting my talent blah blah blah.

474
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 8: So I get ac quitted rightfully.

475
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 3: So let the record show.

476
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: Let the record show. I get home.

477
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 8: This is a Friday night, get home late on my

478
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 8: doorstep are my pen golf clubs. Iously me and my

479
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 8: friends celebrate the weekend. I'm mail the letter Monday morning

480
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 8: to the Sixers. I get a call Sunday nights. You've

481
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 8: been traded to the Suns. I ordered the golf clubs

482
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 8: like three or four or five months ago. I actually

483
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 8: have forgotten that I order them. And they're like, I'm like,

484
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 8: what you got traded to the Suns. You got a

485
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 8: seven o'clock flight the Phoenix in the morning. But it

486
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 8: was so ironic that my golf clubs came and I

487
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 8: got traded to Phoenix. And I'll tell you another story.

488
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 8: Two summers before I flew to Portland to meet with

489
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 8: the Trail Blazers on my own dime. I flew out.

490
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 8: I did. I had had enough. They had lost to

491
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 8: the Bulls and the championship. They had, they had a

492
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 8: lot of talent. I felt that. I felt like they

493
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 8: were one of the few teams that could actually give

494
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 8: up the I think the sign traded four players for me.

495
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 8: So I flew to Portland and I said, can I

496
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 8: meet with the general manager?

497
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 3: And you weren't with your agent or anybody.

498
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 1: You just I didn't tell anybody.

499
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 8: I was going, okay, I said, this is your roster

500
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 8: right here. Y'all got the most talented roster in the NBA.

501
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 8: All y'all need is this guy who can score in

502
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 8: the post and demand the double team. He's like, you're right,

503
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 8: And I said, you guys are not going to win

504
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 8: the championship. Let y'all trade for me. You can give

505
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 8: up these guys. These guys, these guys. And I never

506
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 8: told anybody that story. And I flew back to Philly.

507
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 8: He called me and said, Chuck, we're gonna stick with

508
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 8: what we got. I said, well, thank you for taking

509
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 8: the meeting, but good luck to y'all. And that's so

510
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 8: that that happened. Two years before, I said, eventually got traded.

511
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 3: That's amazing when you think about had he had an

512
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 3: open mind and wow, I mean you with the Blazers

513
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 3: would have been unbelievable. I had no idea that that.

514
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 3: I had no idea that ever happened. That's crazy.

515
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 8: I didn't tell anybody about it. I didn't tell my agent. Wow,

516
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 8: Because you know what's so funny. I told that story

517
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 8: for the first time about three years ago, and I says,

518
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 8: y'all still owe me thirteen hundred and twenty nine dollars

519
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 8: for the flight back and forth. And three years ago

520
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 8: Dame Lillar bought me a check for thirteen hundred and

521
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 8: twenty nine dollars.

522
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: And I was never from the Trailblazer, I said, I'll

523
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: never cast a check.

524
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 3: That's so cool. I just love that. And that's so

525
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 3: you like you always, you know, do things your own

526
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 3: way right, and sometimes see what other people don't see.

527
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 3: And here you go to this team and they had

528
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 3: been the conference semifinals, they had lost of the Trailblazers

529
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 3: and five and you get there and you have kJ

530
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 3: and you have Dan Marley and you have actually have

531
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 3: Danny Ainge on that team too, and you bring the

532
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 3: ingredient they had been missing trying to be back.

533
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 8: You know, it was so good. So when I got

534
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 8: to Phoenix, I said, okay, guys, this is the deal.

535
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 8: I think I'm the best player in the world. Most

536
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 8: people think it's Michael Jordan. He's great, don't get me wrong,

537
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 8: but he just had more help than me. And they

538
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 8: looked at me like, I said, we're going to play

539
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 8: them in the finals. This is that training camp. I said,

540
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 8: We're going to the finals and we're gonna play the Bulls.

541
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 3: Well you knew that. Wow, that's amazing, Okay I did.

542
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 8: I said, I think I'm the best player in the world.

543
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 8: Y'all gonna figure it out too. Once we get started.

544
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 8: And then we got off to a decent start. And

545
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 8: I remember the turning point in our season. The Bulls

546
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 8: came to town and I know Michael really really well,

547
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 8: and he's like, we're gonna play these guys in the finals.

548
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,959
Speaker 8: Let's kick their ass. And they kicked our ass good.

549
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 8: And I remember sitting in the locker room, I said, guys,

550
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 8: they sent us a message tonight. I said, we got

551
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 8: to get better, we got to be all in, and

552
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 8: we got to get better and Hannah. That was a

553
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,719
Speaker 8: turning point in our season. I think we went on

554
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 8: like a for the thirteen game winning streak, and then

555
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 8: we finished with the best record in the NBA where

556
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 8: we got all the time. Obviously, we got to the

557
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 8: finals and lost to the Bulls, and that was actually,

558
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 8: to be honest with you, I remember that's the first

559
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 8: time in my life. I remember telling my daughter because

560
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 8: I'd always see to that y'all gonna win. I said

561
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 8: every time we played, to say that, yeah, we're gonna win.

562
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 8: Dad ain't gonna let you down. And I remember getting

563
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 8: home after Game two. First of all, I really regret

564
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 8: game one because that was my mistake because I wasn't

565
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 8: aggressive because normally at home I would try to get

566
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 8: other guys going because it was a different thing. Playing

567
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 8: in the finals. Finals were a different animal, and I

568
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 8: did not have us ready to play in game one

569
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 8: the lights were too bright. But in game too, I said, hey,

570
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 8: let's go, and I came out and I played great.

571
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 8: I had forty and fifteen something like that. I'll hardly

572
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 8: posted guy, but Michael had fifty.

573
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: And I remember getting home that night and my daughter

574
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: was upsets. He's dead. You told me y'all were gonna win.

575
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: I said, Christiana, let me tell you something. I've never

576
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: said this before. I think that guy is better at

577
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: basketball than me play. And I was like sitting there.

578
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 8: I was in my office, just sitting there, like looking

579
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 8: at game stuff, like what can I do different? What

580
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 8: can I do different? But the truth of the matter,

581
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 8: Michael was better. But I would that was the first

582
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 8: and that was to be honest with you. No matter

583
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 8: who I played against, I was like, no, I can

584
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 8: play as good as lab Ry. He just had Kevin

585
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 8: McHale and Robert Paris and Dennis Johnkanson.

586
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 3: But you were the MVP of the league that year.

587
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 8: Yes, But but I got a chance to prove it

588
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 8: against Michael and he beat me head up and I

589
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 8: was like, damn, that guy better at basketball than me.

590
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: And that was really beyond you. That the first time

591
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: in my life i'd said that.

592
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 3: The game that I remember vividly. First of all, it

593
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 3: was on my birthday. I had covered the Sun's all

594
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 3: season loone because I was a Western Conference reporter, a

595
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 3: mod was the Eastern Conference reporter. And the triple overtime

596
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 3: game at Chicago Stadium and the ball goes.

597
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: To Phoenix with twenty seconds romantic look. Sun's lead one

598
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: twenty nine, one twenty one there at Chicago Stadium is

599
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 2: filing out as bus stop handles and the Sun's just

600
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 2: looking to run the clock down and a remarkable comfort

601
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 2: behind victory. The Phoenix sucks a triple overtime after fetid

602
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 2: the Chicago Balls on twenty nine.

603
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 3: I mean, first, well, there were billboards in Chicago, right

604
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 3: like everyone in Chicago thought, all right, we won these

605
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 3: games and Phoenix, we're gonna come here. We're going to

606
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 3: come Chicago and wrap this thing up.

607
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: And it was not the case.

608
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 8: And you know what was frustrating. The two things pissed

609
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 8: me off about that. We're getting ready for Game five.

610
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 8: So I get a call from my agent. I don't

611
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 8: let people call me on game day because I once

612
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 8: I get back to my room, I want to get

613
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 8: mentally prepared and think about strategy and how they're going

614
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 8: to double me and where is double coming from? And

615
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 8: you know, where's my outlet pass and things like that,

616
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 8: So I don't like to be bothered on game day.

617
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 8: My agent calls me and says, hey, I know you

618
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 8: don't like to be bothered. But the guy in Disney

619
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 8: says they want to do something different. I said, what

620
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 8: they want to do? He says, they want to pick

621
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 8: somebody on the losing team. And say, I'm still going

622
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 8: to Disney World. And I says, excuse me, what I know?

623
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 8: I said, what did you just say? He says they

624
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 8: want to try something different, they want to get somebody

625
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 8: out to lose the team. And said, I'm still going

626
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 8: to Disneyland or World whatever. I said, Yo, man, you

627
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 8: tell that dude to kiss my And then the second thing, Hannah,

628
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 8: I'm watching the news. They boarding up their windows and

629
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 8: he says, guys, please don't destroy the city when we

630
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 8: win the championship tonight.

631
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 3: I remember, yep.

632
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, what up? And so we go, we go

633
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: to the game.

634
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 8: Everybody's quiet on the bus, and you know, you have

635
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 8: all your crap on the board.

636
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: I say, yo, man, put on there. We are not

637
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: going to lose a night and let these tolds celebrate.

638
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: That's all.

639
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 8: We're roll on the board because you know, we don't

640
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 8: play this team. We know them, forget the X and o's.

641
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 8: And at that point we knew we were not going

642
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 8: to lose Game five, and unfortunately we lost Game six.

643
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 8: But those were thing that really was crazy about that

644
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 8: those games in Chicago, they were crazy.

645
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: Three at two tons seconds riding of a second overtime bill.

646
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 3: What do you remember about that triple overtime game? I

647
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 3: still have a ticket stub. You know, the Phoenix Suns

648
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 3: used to put, like, you know, photos from the season before,

649
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 3: and so I have this ticket stub of me interviewing

650
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 3: you and kJ after the triple overtime win.

651
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 5: Hey, I'm here with Kevin Johnson and Charles Barkley. First

652
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 5: of all, Charles, a heroic effort on your part. How

653
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 5: much pain were you playing in tonight?

654
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 6: Well, I know I can't use pain excuse I can't

655
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 6: believe how I feel right now.

656
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 3: I know I'm the best one on the best and

657
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 3: you know the Sons used it the next season and

658
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 3: I got one of those. But that was I mean

659
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 3: to me, that that was That was one of the

660
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 3: most memorable games that I've ever been involved in. I'm

661
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 3: just wondering what your memories were of that night.

662
00:33:59,440 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: Those games.

663
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 8: I tell you what, those games was interesting. They're only

664
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 8: fun if you win them. It's probably, to be honest with you,

665
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 8: that's probably the most fun because not didn't want to

666
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 8: triple overtime. But the situation that went to triple over

667
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 8: time in and the Suns. I think we're the only

668
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 8: two teams we've done it twice because I remember that

669
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 8: first game in the Boston Garden with guard herd and

670
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 8: making shots and they want to triple overtime. Those are

671
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 8: only two games ever in the finals ever went to

672
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 8: triple overtime. You know, Hannah, when you win that first,

673
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 8: it's got to be the flating if you lose that game.

674
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 8: But when you win that game, you're kind of floating

675
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 8: on cloud nine. And then do it on the road,

676
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 8: You're not even tired, like you you just like, I

677
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 8: can't believe what I just witnessed. And it was so

678
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 8: much fun and surreal to be a part of that game.

679
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 8: It was it was great.

680
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 3: You were playing with an elbow injury and need It looks.

681
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 5: As if that injury may affect Charles barklay an idea

682
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 5: has not been able to shoot in two days and

683
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 5: suffering the injury to his right elbow. Keep in mind

684
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 5: that is the elbow of his shooting hand.

685
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 3: Lady, and I remember talking to you like that was

686
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 3: the pregame report. I was like Charles, how's your elbow?

687
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 3: And you smile at me and you're like, it's I'm fine,

688
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 3: But but you were, you know, playing with a pretty

689
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 3: significant injury.

690
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks worse than it is. That burst or sack.

691
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 1: It just I fell on the floor and it burst

692
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: and it just fills up and fluid. But man like,

693
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: there was nothing going to keep me out of that game,

694
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: because that was like when you get to the NBA Finals,

695
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: everybody who watches basketball is watching. It's a different animal.

696
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: You know.

697
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 8: I've heard guys talk about the Super Bowl, which is

698
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 8: only equivalent that I can compare it to. But like

699
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 8: I said, I've always felt bad that I did not

700
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 8: have my team ready for the bright lights in Game one,

701
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 8: because you know, I had been in Philly my entire career,

702
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 8: so there's nothing brighter than playing in Philly or New

703
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 8: York or Boston or playing for the Lakers, and always

704
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 8: tell people the pressure, the bright lines, the attention, that

705
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 8: there's always writer in those big cities. My philosophy, like

706
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 8: I said earlier, had always been like, hey, let these

707
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 8: other guys get going, try to get them going. But

708
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 8: we got off to such a bad start and we

709
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 8: could never recover. That's really the only game they outplayed us.

710
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 3: And I think you had to be in Phoenix. And again,

711
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 3: I spent about half my NBA sideline reporting life in

712
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 3: Phoenix because you guys were so so good and such

713
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 3: a TV draw, too so popular, you were so good,

714
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 3: and the city was so insane for you. I mean,

715
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 3: those crowds were among the very best in the NBA,

716
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 3: and so sure you extrapolate that into oh my god,

717
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 3: we're in the finals, and the expectations of just the community.

718
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 3: I mean, everything was, everything was crazy, Everything was magnified.

719
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 8: If you have to go back and understand, we don't

720
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 8: have all those other sports and penis at the time.

721
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: Exactly, it's just about the Phoenix Suns. Those people lived

722
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: and died.

723
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 8: That's why I said, that's my biggest regret, and I've

724
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 8: been able to get them a championship. It was such

725
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 8: an emotional ride because we're a number one seed. We

726
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 8: lost the first two games at home to the Lakers.

727
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 8: People forget that we would be we would have been

728
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 8: the first number one seed to lose to an eight seed.

729
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 8: So we lose the first two games at home and

730
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 8: we're like, damn, we are choking like dogs, we're gonna

731
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 8: be the first number one seed to lose. So I'm

732
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 8: sitting at my locker. I'm sitting there and I'm like,

733
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 8: how can I get my team back together? And I

734
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 8: know the reporters are coming for me because I just

735
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 8: got the MVP. I know they were coming for me.

736
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 8: So I'm sitting there on my head down. I'm like,

737
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 8: and I'm thinking to myself, Okay, we gotta win. We gotta,

738
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 8: we gotta. We're gonna be all right. I got to

739
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 8: make sure I don't do anything to say anything that

740
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 8: makes things worse. When we go to LA. I got

741
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 8: to get my team pumped up. And these guys started

742
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 8: running towards me, get ready to chuck. And one of

743
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,479
Speaker 8: the reports said, you hear what Paul Westfall just said.

744
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 8: I said, no, what do you just say? He says, guys, relaxed.

745
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 8: We're going to go to LA and win game three.

746
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 8: We're gonna go to La La and win game four.

747
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 8: We're gonna come back home and win game five. And

748
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 8: people gonna say, man, that was a hell of a series.

749
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 8: I said, he said that, huh love it? And I said,

750
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 8: coach is right. And from that point on, Hannah the room.

751
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 8: The locker room went from doom and gloom to sunshine

752
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 8: and butterflies. It was really a surreal feeling because we

753
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 8: were so down and depressed and Paul westfall rest in peace.

754
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 8: We lost him last year when he took all the

755
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 8: pressure all out locker room. When he said that, I

756
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 8: mean it was so like a Listen you look the

757
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 8: first two games at home and going on the road.

758
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 7: And going there to going there. Yeah, let me tell

759
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 7: you he got to La. It was one of the

760
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 7: coolest environments. They were going crazy before the game. They

761
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 7: had Randon number say I love La the career.

762
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 8: And we won the first game, but we still got

763
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 8: to go back again for game four, same rowdy thing.

764
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 8: But once we got back to Phoenix, man, the people,

765
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 8: what if we used to live in Phoenix? Those people

766
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 8: love the Suns.

767
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 3: The Western Conference was so much fun during those years.

768
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 3: But you go to the Western Conference Finals against the Sonics,

769
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 3: I mean, let's not forget that, and you dropped forty

770
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 3: four and you have twenty four rebounds and you close

771
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 3: out game seven in Phoenix. That had to be one

772
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 3: of the great performances of your entire career.

773
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 8: Easily the best and I'm gonna tell you how that

774
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 8: came about. Frank Johnson was my veteran guy. So I

775
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 8: cause it. Frank, let's go talk and everybody's nervous, excited,

776
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 8: whatever word you want to use. I said, Yo, what

777
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 8: can I do in the next forty eight hours to

778
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 8: get this team up and ready to go for Game seven?

779
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 8: He said, oh, I'm not worried. I said, what do

780
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 8: you mean, not worried? I said, I'm not worried, but

781
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 8: I need to get the team. I got to get

782
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 8: our spirits up, make sure we ready to go. He said, Chum,

783
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 8: you've never been to the finals, have you? I said no.

784
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: He says, you just want MVP, right.

785
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 8: He said, all you got to do is play the

786
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 8: best game you ever played, and we will follow. I said,

787
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 8: what he says, you told us we were going to

788
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 8: the finals. All you got to do is play your best.

789
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 8: We're going to follow you. And I said, wow, Okay,

790
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 8: and Hannah, that's the best game I've ever played in

791
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 8: my life.

792
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 3: How long did it take you to I don't know.

793
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 3: You probably never get over right, losing an NBA finals.

794
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: You know, you never get over it.

795
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 8: Because I think that when people don't understand, every year

796
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 8: you start basketball, you put seven eight months of your

797
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 8: life into it, and if you don't get the ultimate prize,

798
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 8: and very seldom you get that far. You know, you know,

799
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 8: Allen Iverson said something to me one time. Who won

800
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,919
Speaker 8: the all time great? He says, man, it's hard to win.

801
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 8: I thought I was gonna win two or three championship.

802
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 8: I said, dude, it's hard to win. Everything has to

803
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 8: go perfect. You have to have you know, you have

804
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 8: to have a good team first and foremost. You got

805
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 8: to have some young guys, some old guys, a good mixture.

806
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 8: Like a lot of times, by the time your team

807
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 8: get good, you're too old to carry them. Oh the

808
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 8: young guys ain't good enough to help you. But you

809
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 8: never get over it because after that our team changed.

810
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 8: You know. We had training camp the next year and

811
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 8: I remember talking with Jerry Cleangelo. He says, what do

812
00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 8: you think. I said, well, we're gonna have a good team.

813
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 8: I'm not sure we're going to get back to the finals.

814
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 8: He said, why do you say that. I said, well,

815
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 8: the priorities on the team have changed. This guy's complaining

816
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 8: about playing time. Now, this guy's still playing about who's

817
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 8: starting this guy's complaining about his contract.

818
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: I said, because if you win, you have to all

819
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: be on the same page. But with success, everybody agendas changed.

820
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 1: Like when we first get when I got to Phoenix,

821
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: We're like, let's get to the finals and let's win

822
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: the championship. But with success, a lot of people change. Yes, yeah,

823
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: And so we had good team.

824
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 8: And then the next two years we lost to the Rockets,

825
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 8: who won because we were we were the second, first

826
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 8: or second best team in the NBA, and we played

827
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 8: the Rockets in two gruel and seven game series. They

828
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 8: won back to back championship and.

829
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 2: Clark play gets around Houston reverst layout, path of real

830
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 2: about you.

831
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 8: Know, and all I really wanted. And I got three

832
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 8: shots at the championship and I went over three. I

833
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 8: can live with that.

834
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 3: You can live with that because you got there.

835
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, because you know, all you want is a chance.

836
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 8: Because things start going bad for me and Billy, so

837
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 8: I'm turning to a superstar. I am a superstar at

838
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 8: this point. We got the number one pick in the draft,

839
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 8: and I'm excited to play with Brad Dherty. I'm like,

840
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,439
Speaker 8: we're gonna be good for the next ten twelve years.

841
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 8: You know, I'm like twenty three, twenty four, I'm starting

842
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 8: to do my thing, and we don't we All we

843
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 8: need was a really good player or a great player

844
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 8: with it. And I said, man, when I get Brad Doherty,

845
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 8: I like my chances, right. So we go out drinking

846
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 8: to celebrate the night before the draft. I get a

847
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 8: call from Phil Jackson, a great writer in Philadelphia. It's

848
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,720
Speaker 8: like five thirty in the morning. I said, what happened?

849
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 8: He said, the sixth is traded the number one picking

850
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 8: the draft. I said, the sixths are not that stupid,

851
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 8: So how do we traded Brad Doughty and number trade

852
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 8: finished for Roy Hanson, who was a good, solid player

853
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 8: and not all that to make it think it feels

854
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 8: that now long is y'all stupid? And trade away the

855
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 8: number one pick? Y'all trade and made another stupid trade.

856
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 8: We traded Moses Malone, who was my mentor to the

857
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 8: to the Bullets at the time, but Jeff Ruhlin, who

858
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 8: never played with me. So I go to bed one

859
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 8: night thinking, man, Moses, because most is the most important

860
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 8: person in my basketball career. When I was a rookie.

861
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 8: You know, I played in college about three hundred pounds.

862
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 8: But you know, college shape ain't pro shaped. Right when

863
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 8: I get to Philly, I'm not playing a lot and unbelievably.

864
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: Great thing have.

865
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 8: Moses Malone lived in the same villain as me, and

866
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 8: I said, Moses, can I talk to you? I said,

867
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 8: can I come up tonight and talk to you? And

868
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 8: he says, sure, young fellow. I said, Moses, why am

869
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 8: I not getting to play? He's a son, You're fat

870
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 8: and you're lazy. I'm like what, I'm like, what, Charles?

871
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 8: You weighed two ninety five three hundred pounds, and you

872
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 8: got a lot of talents. You can't work hard enough.

873
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 8: You can't sustain you're working. And you know, it broke

874
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 8: me a little bit because I went and cried about it,

875
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 8: and he said he called me. He said, if you

876
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 8: want to be a great player, I'll help you lose weight.

877
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 8: And Hannah, this dude took me on his wing and

878
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 8: made me lose fifty pounds and the rest is history.

879
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 3: You ended up playing with the Rockets and actually had

880
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 3: a chance. This was a really good team. Do you

881
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 3: remember in nineteen ninety seven, So at that time I

882
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 3: was hosting the NB on NBC and it had kind

883
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 3: of gotten back to you. I was saying, you know,

884
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 3: Barkley calls it like he sees it. He mentions players

885
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 3: who've won titles with the Rockets, the three with the

886
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 3: most significant playing timer, Keem Clyde and Mary o Ellie,

887
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 3: and you were saying, at least one of them, we

888
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 3: didn't know which one was providing a lack of daysical effort. Right,

889
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 3: So I had said that on TV that got back

890
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 3: to you. Maybe not my exact quote, but somebody was like, oh, Charles,

891
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 3: did you hear she said this?

892
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 5: Right?

893
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 3: Do you remember this?

894
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: Oh?

895
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 8: I remember number one. I took a shot at you

896
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 8: and I was wrong. But it's so funny you had this.

897
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 8: I had this conversation with Ernie the other day about aging.

898
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 8: We're kind of talking about Klay Thompson. Man, when you

899
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 8: start to lose it as a player, it's tough, it's frustrating,

900
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 8: it's disappointing, it's heartbreaking.

901
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: Whatever said word you want to use.

902
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 8: It took me a while to grow up and accept

903
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 8: the fact, like, yo, man, you got to check your

904
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 8: ego at the door. And you still think you Charles

905
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 8: Barkley from Philidelph, You're from Phoenix and he's just an

906
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 8: Asian jock, and I said something about you that I

907
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 8: shouldn't have said. I was one hundred percent wrong, and

908
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 8: I actually, you know, actually that actually helped me, believe

909
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 8: it or not, our little disagreement, because I actually went

910
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 8: to the coach after that and said, hey, coach, do

911
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 8: me a favor and start Kevin Willis instead of me

912
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 8: and Rudy, who was great to me. He was great

913
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 8: to me, he says Charles. I said, Coach, I'm good

914
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 8: with it. I'm not the same guy. I'm not the

915
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 8: same guy. You did really helped me in that aspect,

916
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 8: being honest in your critique. I had to look in

917
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 8: the mirror, says, you know what, She's right, I'm not

918
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,919
Speaker 8: the same guy. So I did, and I went to Kevin.

919
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 8: I said, Kevin, I'm gonna go to the coach and

920
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 8: tell him to take me out the starting lineup, and

921
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 8: it's gonna help me two ways. Number one, I'm not

922
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 8: the same guy. But the best thing, and I had

923
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 8: a little success coming off the bench, because you know,

924
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 8: you plan against best players.

925
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: It's a lot.

926
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 8: I tell people there's them against starters against bench players,

927
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 8: Like even though I sucked, I'm not as bad as

928
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 8: these other suck bench players.

929
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 4: You know, you know.

930
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 8: But to get back to our original point, it was

931
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 8: a learning experience for me, and I get to use

932
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 8: it now more because because when you were in the fight, everything,

933
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 8: every every bullet hurts, every every critique hurts. Doctor J

934
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 8: gave me some great advice one time. He says, before

935
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 8: you overreact to criticism, the first thing you have to

936
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 8: ask yourself is it true?

937
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: And I said, what do you mean? He says, we

938
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 1: can get criticized.

939
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 8: You can't get mad at every time somebody says something

940
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 8: about you, because sometimes it's true.

941
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: So that was a really good learning experience for me.

942
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 3: The funny thing is I really wasn't criticizing you. I

943
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 3: was just speculating as to who you were talking about.

944
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 3: That was giving a lack of daisical effort. But but

945
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 3: whatever got back to you and what it felt like

946
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 3: in the moment. But then you're such a honest and

947
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 3: self aware and good person. And we ended up on

948
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 3: the set together, you know a few weeks later at

949
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 3: the NBA Finals and you actually apologize, which is like

950
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 3: on national TV at the you know, halftime of a

951
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 3: finals game, which is just you know, I'll just never

952
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 3: forget that.

953
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 5: Hi everyone, Hannah Storm back in Salt Lake City. I'm

954
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 5: joined by Charles Barkley of the Houston Rockets, and Charles,

955
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 5: let's rite off the bat here, clear something up and

956
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 5: address some sexist comments that you made during the course

957
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 5: of the Western Conference Finals, one of them being that

958
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 5: women should not announce men's sporting events.

959
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 6: You know, that was something that was number one, that

960
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 6: was seconds and stupid, but it was something that was

961
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 6: said and Jess and I want to a person, apologize

962
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 6: to you and all the other women out there who

963
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 6: do men's sports, and I want you to keep up

964
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 6: the good work. But it was just some set and

965
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 6: Jess that was taken away out of contact, but it

966
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 6: was still stupid.

967
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 5: Now, last night we both had the opportunity to attend

968
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 5: a pre season women's.

969
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:01,720
Speaker 3: NBA game in Houston.

970
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 5: Now, as a man, do you feel that you're qualified

971
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 5: a comment on the new laguer.

972
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: Well, you know what I tell you.

973
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 3: I played with and that speaks a lot too. Who

974
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 3: you are.

975
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 8: One of the biggest problems with celebrities. It's all right

976
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 8: to say I was wrong. You know, we got all

977
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 8: these foods who are famous, who got all these people

978
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 8: around them. Well, let's put out a statement. No, man,

979
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 8: just say you're sorry, Just say just say, just say, hey,

980
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 8: you know what, I was wrong.

981
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: It's my fault. And because I tell people I said.

982
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,959
Speaker 8: The public will forgive you. Now, the media, they gotta

983
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 8: jump on you when you screw up. That's part of

984
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 8: the gear I tell people like ye, man, if these

985
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 8: people would just say I was wrong, I was or

986
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, it would go away a lot quicker, and

987
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 8: then let's keep it nuver it's over. Yeah, there's so

988
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 8: many celebrities, and I watch it all the time. Yo, man,

989
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 8: just say I was wrong or I'm don't try to

990
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 8: massage it. Don't try to have somebody speak for you

991
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 8: as No, man, get on camera and say I was wrong.

992
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 8: Get on camera, don't put it in a tweet, don't

993
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 8: sit out a statement. Let people look at you and say,

994
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 8: you know what, he looks like he feels bad about that,

995
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 8: and then then that's all you can do.

996
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 3: Now you're on the other side, right, and you're so

997
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 3: famous to a whole generation for just being one of

998
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 3: the great broadcasters of all time and being part of

999
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 3: the single greatest sports studio show ever. And I'm just

1000
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 3: wondering your perspective on being able to have this second

1001
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 3: iteration of your life and your career.

1002
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: You know, number one has been a blessing.

1003
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 8: I don't want to give the shout out to the

1004
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 8: great dig Eversong, who's the first person who mentioned television

1005
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 8: to me.

1006
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: He's always been a great friend and a great mentor.

1007
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 3: Put me on TV too, on NBC. You know, I mean,

1008
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 3: it's just unbelievable.

1009
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 8: Yes, so he he He said, hey, meet me for drinks.

1010
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 8: I said, sure, we're at the same hotel. He said,

1011
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 8: when you think about television, I said, well, I haven't

1012
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 8: thought about anything. I said, I know it's coming to

1013
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 8: an end. Blah blah blah. He says, I think you'll

1014
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 8: be great on television. I said, well, thank you. He says, now,

1015
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 8: you're always gonna be in trouble. I said, well, what

1016
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 8: does that mean? He said, if you're honest on television,

1017
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 8: it's a double ed sord. People say they want you

1018
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 8: to be honest, They only want you to be honest

1019
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 8: if they agree with you. Fans want one thing. Tell

1020
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 8: me my favorite team is gonna be good, and tell

1021
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 8: me my favorite player is going to be great. That's

1022
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 8: all fans really want. If you say anything different, they

1023
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 8: hate you. So you're gonna You're gonna be great at it,

1024
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 8: but you're gonna be in trouble. My career is winding down.

1025
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 8: I say, hey, I'm gonna come.

1026
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: Let's do this.

1027
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 8: I told this story at the Hall of Fame when

1028
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 8: Dick went in last year. I got a kind of

1029
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 8: a verbal I have a verbal commitment to go to NBC.

1030
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 8: Remember yeah, And Michael Jackson says, hey, I need a favor.

1031
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: What you need.

1032
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 8: I need you to meet with these guys at T

1033
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 8: and T. It to make me look good, to get

1034
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 8: you in the in the building. I said, well, you know,

1035
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 8: I'm kind of going to NBC. I know, but do

1036
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 8: me a favor.

1037
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: Just meet with T and T.

1038
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 8: Just it helped me out, I said. He said, he's

1039
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 8: a good brother. I say, yeah, of course, dude, I

1040
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 8: do it. So I come down to Atlanta. I meet

1041
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 8: with T and T and they say, well, what's your goal?

1042
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 8: I said, well, I want to talk about basketball, but

1043
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 8: social issues mean a great deal to me. I want

1044
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 8: to be very selective on the social issues that I

1045
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 8: talk about. I said, because people don't want that all

1046
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 8: the time. They want they use for US as a

1047
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 8: getaway and they're like, well, you know, you probably got

1048
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 8: a better chance of doing it us at NBC because

1049
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 8: we're going to be on all night. You know, they

1050
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 8: gonna put you on the top halftime, then you're gonna

1051
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 8: be gone. And we keep talking and we spent about

1052
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 8: five hours together talking about things that is important. I said,

1053
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 8: you know, you know one of the reasons I made

1054
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 8: the road Model commercial, I says, I think too many

1055
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 8: black kids think they can only be successful through athletics

1056
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 8: entertain They're like, well, what do you mean. I said, Well,

1057
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 8: the reason I made the commercial. You know, we have

1058
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,439
Speaker 8: way too many segregated schools in this country. And I said,

1059
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 8: when I go speak at these white schools, they're like,

1060
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 8: I said, what do you want to do? And they say,

1061
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 8: want to be a doctor, a lawyer, an engineer, you know,

1062
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 8: a doctor, lawyer, engineer, fireman, teacher, policeman, things like that.

1063
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 8: I said, Wow, that's awesome. Then when I would go

1064
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 8: to the predominant black school, I said, what do y'all

1065
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:24,720
Speaker 8: want to do? I want to play in the NBA.

1066
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 8: I want to play in the NFL. I was like, like,

1067
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 8: ninety ninety five percent of the kids. So I kind

1068
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 8: of took like a survey in my brain for like

1069
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 8: three or four years, and I said, man, I think

1070
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 8: these black kids are brainwash. They think the only way

1071
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 8: they can be successful to athletics and entertainment. And so

1072
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 8: I called Nike and I said, hey, I got an idea.

1073
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 3: That was your idea.

1074
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, And you know what they said to me, charge

1075
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 8: you nuts? Yeah, I said, I said, said, you're going

1076
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 8: to get killed trying to make that commercial. The public negativity.

1077
00:54:58,200 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 8: They're going to be saying, you're trying to skirtch you

1078
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 8: issue as a role model. Dude, I'm not trying to

1079
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 8: discurte the issue. What I'm trying to do with all

1080
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 8: my conversations, Hannah, anytime I talk about socials, I just

1081
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 8: want to get the conversation out there and get to

1082
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 8: get the conversation started.

1083
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,280
Speaker 3: Make people think that's it. Just think or start the dialogue.

1084
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 8: Yes, And to Nike's credit, we made the commercial and

1085
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:21,879
Speaker 8: they came to back to me later and says, hey,

1086
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 8: you know, in fairness, ninety percent of our letters have

1087
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 8: been positive. What you're trying to say? I said, Hey,

1088
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 8: I was just trying to start a conversation because I

1089
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 8: want these young black kids. No, they can be doctors,

1090
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 8: they can be lawyers, they can be engineers. They ain't

1091
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 8: gonna be Michael Jordan. Yo, They're not gonna be pat

1092
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,399
Speaker 8: my home. They're gonna have to get a real job.

1093
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 8: And to this day, that's probably the most thing I'm

1094
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 8: proud of, that that I get got to start to

1095
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 8: start at the role model debate. And so I meet

1096
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 8: with TNT. They dropped me off about two somes in

1097
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 8: the morning. I called my agent. I said, yo, man,

1098
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 8: I might have a problem. I think I want to

1099
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 8: sign with T and T. So I get in bed,

1100
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 8: I can't sleep at all.

1101
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: I called him.

1102
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 8: I called him back about six in the morning. I said, hey,

1103
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 8: I'm ost change my mind and go to TNT. He said, well,

1104
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 8: I'll call Episode. I said, no, let me be man,

1105
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 8: let me man up and do it myself. So I

1106
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 8: waited a couple of hours. I didn't want to call

1107
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 8: him to earlier. I said, hey, mister Episode, I need

1108
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 8: to talk to you.

1109
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: What's up? Uh?

1110
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 8: And I was heartbroken because he's the guy, He's the

1111
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 8: guy who talked me into television. I said, I really

1112
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 8: want to tell you this. I don't know how to

1113
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 8: say it. He said, y'all just say it. I said,

1114
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 8: I really think I should sign with TNT. He says, okay,

1115
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 8: tell me what I said. Well, I think they're going

1116
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,760
Speaker 8: to give me more time to talk about social issues

1117
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 8: and things like that. You know, I looked at a

1118
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 8: couple of your shows, and you know, y'all don't really

1119
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 8: have a segment where we can do things like that,

1120
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:55,800
Speaker 8: and blah blah blah blah blah.

1121
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were quick. I hosted those shows right. It

1122
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 3: was like a couple of basketball points. Get in, get out,

1123
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 3: You're done.

1124
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 8: And I said, He said, I totally understand that. And

1125
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 8: I told his story when he got in the Hall

1126
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 8: of Fame last year because I'm introduced him. He said, Charles,

1127
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 8: you's gonna be great on television. Those guys are Turner

1128
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 8: are awesome. I'm here if you ever need me. And

1129
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 8: I hung up the phone and I was emotional wreck.

1130
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 8: But the way he handled that when he said that,

1131
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 8: he said, Hey, Chuck, You're gonna be great on television.

1132
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 8: Those guys that Turner are awesome. If you need any advice,

1133
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 8: called me, and I teared up. When I told that

1134
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 8: story at the Hall of Fame last year, and he

1135
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 8: means a lot to me. He's always been great. I

1136
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 8: just saw him last year, came in the studio and

1137
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 8: hung out the all night. But he means a great

1138
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 8: deal to me, and I owe him a lot of

1139
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 8: my success me too.

1140
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 3: He gave me a shot, put me on a No

1141
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 3: woman had ever done the kinds of things I was doing,

1142
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 3: you know, hosting the NBA on NBC. I mean, you know,

1143
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 3: changed my life. But you know, the same guy who

1144
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 3: paid first plane ticket and got on the plane and

1145
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:07,439
Speaker 3: flew to Portland as the same guy that went into

1146
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 3: T and T and thought, Okay, I'll just listen. Those

1147
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 3: ways of thinking, being open minded, thinking out of the box.

1148
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 3: I think it has served you so well.

1149
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 8: Well, you know, it's interesting you say that because when

1150
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 8: I was at the peak of my game, there was

1151
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 8: no women, and that's only one black guy in ninety

1152
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 8: nine percent of the city. And I'd be like, David Pree,

1153
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 8: what's your question. They're like, well, David's in the back.

1154
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 8: I said, yeah, I asked him a question. I want

1155
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 8: to know, or I leave boys and Jackie McMullen, Jackie

1156
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 8: always Jacket and Boston. Yeah, Jackie, who's a living legend,

1157
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 8: so I appreciate your compliment because you know, this thing

1158
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 8: has changed so much, and I'm so proud. You know,

1159
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 8: we got doors now, you know, doors that have a

1160
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 8: fantastic job. You know, I think it's great for the game.

1161
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 8: You know, I'm looking forward to the time when there's

1162
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 8: a woman. We got women referees now, which is awesome.

1163
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 8: I'm looking for the time, to be honest with you, Hannah,

1164
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 8: when we're gonna have a woman coaching in the NBA,

1165
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 8: like as a head coach, you know, and it should

1166
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 8: happen like that. The one thing I love about sports

1167
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 8: the most growing up in Alabama, obviously there's always been

1168
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 8: a racial tension going back to the church bombing in

1169
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 8: nineteen shixty three, what's the year I was born. But

1170
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 8: the one thing that I've always loved about sports man

1171
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 8: it really bring the racists together. I wish that more

1172
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 8: white people would treat Black America like they treat famous

1173
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 8: black jobs. It would really help to make the world

1174
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 8: a better place. And then that's the thing I love

1175
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 8: about sports the most. When I played with a white

1176
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 8: guy or a Jewish guy, I don't even care. Man

1177
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 8: were just trying to win. And I wish people would

1178
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 8: use sports more in that vein in their everyday life.

1179
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 3: But you're using your platform, uh to continue to inspire people.

1180
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 3: And I admire you so much, and I I appreciate

1181
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 3: your friendship so much. It's just always it's been a

1182
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 3: great blessing. You text me and Jay all the.

1183
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: Time, all the time. I love it. And Jay is

1184
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: such a You.

1185
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 3: Watch a lot of television.

1186
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: I think that.

1187
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 3: Do you text me a lot when we're doing sports?

1188
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: Ows? I love you, I love watching sports. But that's

1189
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: super fact.

1190
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 8: I earlier man, it's it should be a safe place, yes,

1191
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 8: because it's not reality.

1192
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: It's not it should be a safe space.