1 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: Hey, what welcome in. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is All 2 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: Ball part two of Lansleie pulled up coming if you 3 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: heard part one. If you didn't, it's amazing. But this 4 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: is you know, how he transitioned to Kansas football and 5 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: how you build something from nothing and now they've got 6 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: a stadium and how you sustain it. I think you'll 7 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: you'll love it. Uh, And that's our challenge, right, that's 8 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: our challenge at Green Bay. Obviously, our season finished record wise, 9 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: not the way we wanted. But I think everybody who 10 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: watches like, wow, you guys really got them playing hard 11 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: and you were onto something late in the year. And 12 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: there's lots of things we learned, and I think I'll 13 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: share them and I'll start to share them in the 14 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: next spot. But I will give you one, which is 15 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: players respond when there are players around them that all 16 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: want to be there, you know that all want to 17 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: be there. And it's one of the things we're going 18 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: through here in terms of, you know, the portal. Not 19 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: every kid that enters the portal wants to enter the portal, 20 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: and you know, you know, sometimes it is their choice 21 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: and you don't want them to. But I think that 22 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: the one commonality for teams that are still playing and 23 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: playing well in the NCA tournament, playing well in their 24 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: conference tournament is they have a high high percentage if 25 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: not all of the guys all in on the present, day, 26 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: the current and on. They want to be there, you know, 27 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: And it's a hard thing to determine, like do you 28 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: want to be here? 29 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 2: Do you not? 30 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: But you set standards, you hold them to them, and 31 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: the once you get a group and it could be 32 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: five guys, it could be seven guys, eight, it could 33 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: be hopefully twelve guys or whatever that all want to 34 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 1: be part of it, want to do it and do 35 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: it the right way, you end up getting more production 36 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: even with less talent than you ever thought possible. That 37 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: makes sense. Yes, do the most talented teams work, sure, 38 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: but they have to be teams and it's the most 39 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: talent did actual teams that work, not just the most 40 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: talented guys that work. I'm sure Lance Leopold knows that. 41 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,679 Speaker 1: So let's get to part two, our interview with the 42 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: Kansas head coach LANs. 43 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 3: Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb 44 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 3: Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox 45 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 3: Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio appen. 46 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,679 Speaker 1: When you're too intent. The great thing about you being 47 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: too intent was you had one big at Whitewater. So 48 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: it's not like you don't know what you're doing. You 49 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: don't know the template, you don't have the resume for it. 50 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: But you also have to evaluate, Okay, we got to 51 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: change some things. How do you How do you personally 52 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: do it? Do you do you take notes? Do you 53 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: do individual meetings? Do you like again, and I'm not 54 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: talking just coaching, I'm not talking just players, staff as well, 55 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: and yourself self evaluation? How did you how did you 56 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: kind of self scout in order to get the program 57 00:02:58,200 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: back in the right direction? 58 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 2: Well, a couple of different ways there. I think you know. 59 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 2: One of the things you know when things aren't going well. 60 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 2: You know, as head coaches, it's kind of like playing quarterback. 61 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 2: You get way too much credit when things are going well, 62 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,119 Speaker 2: and you probably get to take too much criticism when 63 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: things aren't because the buck stops with you. But a 64 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 2: lot of times I'll try to I'll put it in 65 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 2: a staff meeting. What can I do better for you guys? 66 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 2: What am I not doing enough? I'll put it out there. 67 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: Let the assistant coaches give you feedback of where we 68 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 2: can need. The one thing that I think we've done 69 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 2: a good job wherever we've been is I think our 70 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 2: structure and discipline has been solid wherever we've been. So 71 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 2: expectations and the standard is the standard for us, so 72 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: that we're not going to compromise. We're not going to 73 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 2: compromise on effort levels and timeliness and all the little 74 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,839 Speaker 2: things that we know that can be a difference down 75 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 2: the road. And as long as we're consistent in those ways, 76 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 2: the young men in the program are going to make 77 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 2: a decision if they're going to buy in or not, 78 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 2: and if not, they're you know, they then usually they 79 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 2: move on. But again there's you know, you get people 80 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: second guessing, whether it be yourself or the staff or 81 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 2: the scheme and everything that you're doing. But again, when 82 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 2: we looked at we're a pretty young football team, we 83 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 2: liked what we had coming back. We were playing hard 84 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. We knew where we were deficient, 85 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 2: and we found ways to try to improve upon it, 86 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 2: you know, through ourselves, scouting and a lot of different things. 87 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 2: Andy cold Nicky was our offensive coordinator, was now at 88 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 2: Penn State. I remember one of the things he went 89 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 2: through and did a study, and one of the things 90 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: was sometimes when you're a younger football team, you're trying 91 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 2: not to get beat and you're trying to keep games 92 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 2: close and get him in the fourth quarter, and you're 93 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 2: doing things. But one of the things that we found 94 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 2: out we didn't do was we didn't take enough shots 95 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 2: down field and to throw the ball down the field 96 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 2: and a lot of times instead of trying to drive 97 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 2: the ball for fifty yards, you need to try to 98 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 2: throw one and either get an interference call or come 99 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 2: down with a fifty to fifty ball and the next thing, 100 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 2: you know, and we made that a high point of 101 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 2: emphasis the next season and it started play dividends for us. 102 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 2: And again we've gone through I say this in our 103 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 2: I had three athletic directors in six years at Buffalo, 104 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: and I had five strength coaches in six years, and 105 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 2: we still ended up our last four years winning the 106 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 2: most games over a four year period than any other school. So, 107 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 2: as you know, it's got to be the continuity of 108 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 2: everybody who are some of the people that help you 109 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: you're athletic director in what you're doing anytime there's a 110 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 2: change in athletic director, there's always that pause because a 111 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: new person is going to survey the situation before they 112 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: jump in and do anything. Your strength coach, you're trying 113 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 2: to build consistency in your weight program. And again, but 114 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 2: the fortunate part is a lot of the guys that 115 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 2: were with me in Whitewater and other places, we're able 116 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: to keep a good nucleus of coaches and we didn't 117 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 2: have a lot of guys jump ship that way, and 118 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 2: I think that helped us. 119 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: Your last year there was the COVID year. 120 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,559 Speaker 2: Yes, well what was that like? It was crazy? Again, 121 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 2: you know, some of it gets to be a blur, 122 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,679 Speaker 2: but you know, you know, if you remember in COVID 123 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: and you remember the state of New York and what 124 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: it was like in that where there was daily press 125 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: conferences and from the governor and all these things of 126 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: everything being really shut down, and what you could do. 127 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 2: I thought our strength coach and our and our medical 128 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 2: people came up with a good way that we could. 129 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 2: We moved some weight room stuff to the open concourse 130 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 2: of the stadium, so we had open airlifting. We've tried 131 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 2: to find a way to keep going. We didn't get started. 132 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 2: We played a six game regular season and a five 133 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 2: game regular season and a conference championship game that we 134 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 2: came up short against Ball State, and then we won 135 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 2: a bowl game. But we found a game. We found 136 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 2: a way to win games. We played well. Probably the 137 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 2: benefit was we didn't we didn't play non conference games 138 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 2: were supposed to be Kansas State and Ohio State that year, 139 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 2: so that probably helped us a little bit. But I 140 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 2: remember that, you know, you're going through all the testing. 141 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 2: We're testing three times a week with our guys and waves, 142 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 2: and then you wait for the results and you're holding 143 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 2: your breath. You got enough guys, and we're going down 144 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 2: to play Coach Solizer's Ohio team, and we just got 145 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 2: done with with our meetings and walk through stuff and 146 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 2: we're gonna get on the bus. And they came up 147 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 2: to me and said, hey, you may want to have 148 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 2: to wait. Ohio's got some positive guys in the games 149 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 2: in Jeopardy, and I'm like, I can't tell the guys 150 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 2: that we may not play the game because mentally, then 151 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: guys are either gonna be disappointed or they're going to 152 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: check out. And then we've got to try to get 153 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,679 Speaker 2: them back mentally ready to play. I said, we're going, 154 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 2: and so we got on the bus and we started going, 155 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 2: and we're gonna stop at a rest stop and grab 156 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 2: sandwiches that we had ordered from someplace. And I got 157 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: a call about an hour before we even got to 158 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 2: the rest stop that the game was canceled. So we 159 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 2: had to start and go through it all, go give 160 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: them their sandwiches, and then call them up and call 161 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 2: them all up and say, hey, bring it in here. 162 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 2: A game got canceled. We're heading back home, and stuff 163 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 2: that you never even think about these days. And in 164 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 2: all all the all the ways that you would try 165 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 2: to find a way to play a game, they would 166 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 2: you know, contact tracing and stuff like that. They would 167 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 2: try to, uh, they would have a stop watch about 168 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 2: how many seconds each guy was lined up against a 169 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 2: guy that was that was possibly uh you know positive. Yeah, 170 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 2: just just the thing that you're trying to do just 171 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 2: to get the game played is it was crazy. Uh. 172 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 1: Is there any part of you that misses the bussing 173 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: to games because now you only bust the K State. 174 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 2: We bust the Kick State and Iowa State. But you know, honestly, 175 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 2: Doug and the fact that my body's getting old, and 176 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: I don't My back's a little more sore after riding 177 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 2: those buses. I do believe that there's something about bus 178 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 2: trips that I will miss. I I look at it 179 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: as you know, we would at Whitewater. We had ones 180 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 2: all the way out to New Jersey. We we we 181 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 2: played Buffalo State in Buffalo, we played Dickinson, North Dakota. 182 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 2: I think they're good team building. I think they they 183 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 2: it's a I don't know if it's a badge of 184 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 2: honor or what it is, but I do think there's 185 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 2: something about it that, as we said earlier, when people 186 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 2: want to get into coaching, I do think everyone needs 187 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 2: an extended bus trip once in their career. 188 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: No question. And to unload the bags. You're a little 189 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: man on the tone bowl. Yeah, unload the bags as well, 190 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: you know, right. 191 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 2: And we always say there's that, you know, as a 192 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 2: as a head coach or whatever, hopefully you don't ask 193 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 2: somebody to do something that you haven't done yourself somewhere 194 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 2: along the line and you're still not willing to do. 195 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: It's interesting. They the guys, my guys are always on me, 196 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: my assistant coach as so as I coach, you don't 197 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: have to get the bags. And I was like, I'll 198 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: be honest with you, I haven't necessary. I haven't been 199 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: doing this long enough to have somebody else get my back. 200 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: So I get the front seat. That's the only thing 201 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 1: I get, you know. And if I want to stop 202 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: for coffee, damn it, we stopped for coffee. Outside of that, 203 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: I'm just like any other any other smow you know, 204 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: only I'm not on my I can't tell them to 205 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: not be on their phones and be on my phone myself. 206 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 2: Okay. 207 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: So Kansas had won nine games in six years, nine 208 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: in six years, right, no facilities, And the m O was, 209 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: they don't care as long as basketball is winning championships, 210 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: and they won a gajillion big toll champions in row, 211 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: they don't care. Right, there's not enough in state players 212 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: at the time you got ou in Texas in the league. Heck, 213 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: even Oklahoma State in terms of funding, like just you 214 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: don't have a Boon Pickens to give a couple hundred 215 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: million dollars. Why why would you take on that challenge? 216 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 2: Well, you know, part of it was some of the 217 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 2: same things that you know, try to build something that 218 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 2: hadn't been done. I had. I had some opportunities that 219 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 2: I thought that we're going to play out earlier in 220 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 2: the job cycle. And it was kind of one of 221 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 2: those who were getting close my wife, who's a great 222 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 2: reader of of of me that year before, like when 223 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 2: that COVID year, we ended up ranked twenty fifth in 224 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 2: the country in the final AP poll, and we had 225 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 2: a really good nucleus of players coming back. But I 226 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 2: came home once in February because this job opened really 227 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 2: late in the cycle. And but she said to me, 228 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 2: she goes, I think next year should be your last 229 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 2: year here. We need you need to look And I said, why, 230 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 2: she goes, you seem bored. You know, we had gotten 231 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 2: some facilities done. We got an indoor, we redid the 232 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 2: locker room, we got some things going. We built a 233 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 2: new a feeling station, things like that, and we had 234 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 2: gone from some of the worst facilities in Buffalo to 235 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 2: some of the better ones. And it was like some 236 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 2: of the things that I really take out as challenges 237 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 2: and and and then we had become a player led program, 238 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 2: doug and the things that you really try to strive for. 239 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 2: And and I was like, you know, maybe she's right, 240 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 2: And and I thought, you know, you go to a 241 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 2: place like Kansas is you know, you can do something 242 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 2: that maybe others haven't done, you know. And I had 243 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 2: mentioned Barry Alvarez before, and Barry's one of the reasons 244 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 2: Barry said he never left Wisconsin was much like Hayden 245 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 2: Fry never left Iowa. You have a chance to do 246 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 2: something consistently that has never been done at that school. 247 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 2: And I was like, you know what, I'm at an 248 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 2: age and a point of my career. If I'm ever 249 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 2: going to get a Power five job, this may be 250 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 2: the one, and let's take a swing at it. And 251 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 2: if you don't, if it doesn't work out, you end 252 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 2: up being just like the four or five before you. 253 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 2: And if you have a chance to get it going, 254 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 2: you can do something special for a place. 255 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: Year one, you open up with South Dakota and you 256 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: get a win, and then you play Coastal Carolina. 257 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 2: By the way, Doug, they stormed in the field after 258 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 2: we beat South Dakota. 259 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: That's right, I forgot about that. What was that? 260 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 2: Like? Well, we had to come back to win, and 261 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 2: I was like, you know, I said, Unfortunately, God blessed 262 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 2: the kids that stuck around and worked hard. Here I said, 263 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 2: we were too and ten that year. I said, but 264 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 2: we might have been. We might have been oh to 265 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 2: twelve on the eyeball test in pregame warm ups. Just 266 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 2: that it was. It was tough, it was, but you know, 267 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 2: we missed springball here. We didn't really know what we 268 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 2: had were We're trying to get kids to build, you know, 269 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 2: buy into our way of doing it, but getting a win. 270 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: But he said, but I know you're going to talk 271 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 2: about Coastal Carolina and that was a good Coastal team 272 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 2: and they got after us on the road. 273 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: Well, I was just gonna the balance of that, and 274 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: all of a sudden's Coastal and You're like, oh uh 275 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: oh uh oh. 276 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 2: I questioned, why were we going to Coastal even play? 277 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 2: First of all, you know, what are you know, those 278 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 2: are things that you're. 279 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 1: You did you have the conversation because I had one 280 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: of these conversations like after you lose a game which 281 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: you knew you shouldn't have been scheduled, but it was 282 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: out of your control. You said, Okay, just so we're aware, 283 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:00,079 Speaker 1: I said, I didn't want to play this game. We 284 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: didn't play this game. So from this point forward, I 285 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: get the yeah, I'm taking the l's I get to 286 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 1: I get the schedule. 287 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like if you're going to play those 288 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 2: those need to just be home games and things. But 289 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 2: you know, it's it's what it is, and you learn that, 290 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 2: you learn from it and go. But yeah, there's there's 291 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 2: a lot more saying scheduling. 292 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: Now during the losing, because you lost I think seven 293 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: or eight in a row. 294 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 2: Mm hm. 295 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: But you had been through it before at Buffalo. But 296 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: what was it like at the Kansas level where you're 297 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: walking in the stadium's not right. You know, you're trying 298 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: to do something that hasn't been done. What are those 299 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: feelings like? 300 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can remember like the Baylor game and you 301 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 2: made something in front of you. I don't remember the score, 302 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 2: but I remember we were down like three scores at 303 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 2: halftime and and you walked into a locker room and 304 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 2: they were they were done. They are the confidence level 305 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 2: of our team and and and and not like blank, it. 306 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: Was only fourteen to seven at half. 307 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 2: Wasn't okay? But they're but they're but it was maybe 308 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 2: I'm missing another game there where it was like and. 309 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: Half No, I know, listen, I know exactly what you're talking. 310 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 2: About you know, they've gone through it so many times, 311 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 2: and you're like, Okay, how are we going to break 312 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 2: this cycle? And it's chipping away with confidence and finding 313 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 2: ways to work evic and and if you have unwavering 314 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 2: belief in the process, it's going to pay you back 315 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 2: and you keep working. But there were some times where 316 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 2: you looked at it and you could just see it 317 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 2: the the here we go again type things. One of 318 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 2: the things that we were able to start doing though, 319 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 2: is we we told it. We moved to a morning 320 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 2: practice philosophy from an afternoon. They had had really long 321 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 2: practices with the previous staff. We had shorter practices. We 322 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 2: moved faster, We got in, we did our work, We 323 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 2: did what we said we were going to do, and 324 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 2: we started to build trust with them by by acting 325 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 2: out and the kids started to trust us, and we 326 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 2: slowly got better. 327 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 4: But to be Texas and it was wild. What do 328 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 4: you remember about the game? Well, I remember we got 329 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 4: up big and it was like, okay, here we go. 330 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 4: Then all of a sudden you could feel in the 331 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 4: fourth quarter, here they're coming. They're getting it together. So 332 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 4: then they tie it up and it goes into overtime. 333 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 2: And and we won the toss and went on defense, 334 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 2: and I and I told, I told our offensive coordinator, 335 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 2: Andy cole Nikki. I said, Andy, if I said, if 336 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 2: they score, we're gonna if we score, we're going for 337 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 2: two right away. We're not going to keep playing this out. 338 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 2: And he goes, I have a play, so it's sure enough, 339 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 2: you know, it goes in there. And then a walk 340 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 2: on tight end who who the only reason why is 341 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 2: in a game because the third string walk on that 342 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 2: was ahead of them broke his broke his foot and 343 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 2: walked throughs on Thursday. So he jumps in and plays 344 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 2: and catches and catches the game winning two point conversion 345 00:16:55,920 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 2: and it and it really propelled us into some leaf 346 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 2: and confidence. We didn't win the last two games, but 347 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 2: we played a lot better. And and the way I 348 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 2: looked at that season after after it was done, Doug 349 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 2: was August. August was our spring ball because we didn't 350 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 2: get one. September was our fall camp. October was our 351 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 2: our beginning of the season, and and November ended up 352 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 2: being a kind of our mid year where we started 353 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 2: to improve. And when we left the field after losing 354 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 2: our last two even the TCU and West Virginia in 355 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 2: close games. We were at a we were at a 356 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 2: new confidence level of belief that this program could win games. 357 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 2: Heading into the twenty two sues. 358 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: In twenty three, you kind of started out it was, 359 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 1: I mean, that's obviously your signature year. You won your 360 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: first four did you know, I mean nine wins in 361 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: the Big twelve is Jake hint? Did you know going 362 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: into the year you had some pession. 363 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, we had enough coming back that we thought we 364 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 2: could be good. You know, we had lost Jalen Daniels, 365 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 2: our quarterback year before when we started five in all, 366 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 2: its kind of like what you're saying about looking at 367 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 2: looking at the crowd of share with our strength coach. 368 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 2: We played we played Duke there in twenty two and 369 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 2: it was sold out, and you know in football sometimes 370 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 2: in a month maybe like in basketball as well as that, 371 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 2: when you go in after warm ups and then you 372 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 2: come back out and it's full, you kind of get 373 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 2: a different feel. And the strength coach came up to me, 374 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 2: he goes, can you believe we got him here this quick? 375 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 2: And so the twenty two season went well. Twenty three, 376 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 2: we you know, Jalen had gotten hurt. He came back 377 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 2: and played. We we play ours on the bowl game, 378 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 2: but we had enough snaps of returning players going into 379 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 2: twenty three, we thought we could be a very competitive foot. 380 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: Let me pause for a second. How did you get 381 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 1: Jayleen'd begin? 382 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 2: He was committed here before we got here. He the 383 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 2: previous staff signed him and brought him in, and he 384 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 2: played as a true freshman in the COVID season and 385 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 2: got sacked ten times against Oklahoma. The young man is outstanding. 386 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 2: Is back to that Texas win. We were going to 387 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 2: red shirt him then, and I said, but our two 388 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 2: other quarterbacks had gotten hurt. I said, Jalen. I said, well, 389 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 2: here we are. We're two and eight at the time, 390 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 2: and I said, we said we're going to red shirt you. 391 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 2: What do you want to do? He said, I'll do 392 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 2: anything you want, coach, whatever's best for the team. Most 393 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 2: guys today are going to check out and and say 394 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 2: back their year. And he has been amazing. He's he 395 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 2: believes in us, he's he hasn't wavered about leaving, and 396 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 2: now he's back for a sixth year. We're excited about him. 397 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 2: But you know, in twenty two, kind of jumping between 398 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 2: years here for you. Twenty two we had college game 399 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 2: Day and in twenty three we had big Noon here 400 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 2: and you know those were those were big moments for 401 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 2: this for this program and really for this university. 402 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: Last year was did not go as expected. Now part 403 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: of it is I think it was good. It was good, 404 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,959 Speaker 1: but it's hard. Sometimes getting those guys back is hard, 405 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 1: you know, like a Jalen when everybody you get huge 406 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: expectations as opposed to previously where they were lower expectations. 407 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: If you could go back for this last year, what 408 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: would you do differently? 409 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 2: You know, I probably wasn't as hard as I as 410 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 2: I thought I was going to be on the details. 411 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 2: You know, I go, we got a good experience group. 412 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 2: They understand what we're doing, They're going to go through it, 413 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 2: they're doing it. I don't want to say we were complacent, 414 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 2: but I don't think we had the edge. And again 415 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 2: I kind of have references back to other parts of 416 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 2: my career, Doug Is. I remember after leaving Wisconsin after 417 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 2: my graduate assistant days and I came back and I 418 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 2: think they were like five and six the next year, 419 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 2: and I asked the strength coach, who was a friend 420 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 2: of mine, what's the difference. He goes, they don't understand 421 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 2: that they're now the hunted instead of the hunters. And 422 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 2: I think the same thing happened to us a little bit. 423 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 2: I think there were some times in twenty two and 424 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 2: twenty three I think it was it's still Kansas and 425 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 2: we're able to play to a level that sort now. 426 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 2: People you know, I know Illinois put a lot of 427 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 2: emphasis on after we've beaten them here, and they turned 428 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 2: out to be a very good football team. UNLB was 429 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 2: a good football team. We could not play our best 430 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 2: when our best was needed, and I don't think we 431 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 2: totally respected the fact how people were approaching us differently. 432 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 1: How do you handle the idea that, if you're honest 433 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: and you look at it, six wins at Kansas is 434 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: the hell of a year for you. It's not your 435 00:21:55,560 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: personal expectations. Your personal standard is much high than that. 436 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: But in totality, in comparison to Kansas football the last 437 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: fifty years, especially in the Big Twelve, with the financial disparity, 438 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: with the regional recruiting, all these different things, how do 439 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: you push through the idea that the common fan looks 440 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,959 Speaker 1: at or even the common coach just like, Hey, if 441 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: you can win six or seven year at KU. You're 442 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: doing a hell of a job. How do you handle that? 443 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, again, you can't compromise your expectations. I don't think 444 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 2: any of us, if we're competitors, go out there hoping 445 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 2: to play games close. There's no moral victories, you know. 446 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 2: I said that first year we played Oklahoma really close, 447 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 2: and they made an announcement on social media that at 448 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 2: halftime that everybody could come into the game free. And 449 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 2: I remember and Caleb Williams took the ball from the 450 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 2: running back on fourth down, I got the first down 451 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 2: to go in and score and beat us, and and 452 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 2: I went, I went to do the weekly radio show 453 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 2: in the local sports bar, and they gave a sustaining ovation. 454 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 2: My wife and I walked in and I said, I whispered, 455 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 2: he I go, can you believe they're clapping for us 456 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 2: playing close? And I said, we got to change this. 457 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 2: And and again the day we the day we settle 458 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 2: for being average, is the day we probably should step aside. 459 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 2: So again, you know, we and I think, as you mentioned, 460 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 2: for the highly competitiveness of this conference, especially if you 461 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 2: look at the twenty one season, Baylor was picked ninth 462 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 2: and won the league. You look at the twenty two 463 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 2: season where TCU made the College Football Playoff, okay, twenty three. 464 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 2: Whom I forgetting that well last year was Arizona, right yeah, 465 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 2: and they were they were going to be fourteenth or 466 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 2: sixteenth depending on who you looked at it, and they 467 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 2: end up in the College Football Playoff. You can look 468 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 2: at anybody in this new world of you know, between Rev. 469 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 2: Shaer and the portal, you have a chance if if 470 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 2: you if you make additions and I think the thing 471 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 2: and I don't know how it is in basketball, but 472 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 2: you can make it great additions to your program that 473 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 2: aren't flashy, ones that really get you over the hump. 474 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 2: You can add depth that you can add competition and 475 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 2: positions that people don't pay attention to, and you can 476 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 2: get yourself to be a really good football team. 477 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: The new stadium. It's interesting because I think most of 478 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: US coaches would say, like, forget the facilities, give us 479 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 1: the money for the players. But KU is a bit 480 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: of the exception, right because that facility was just our game. 481 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 1: It just it didn't it said the university doesn't care. 482 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: What does it mean to have facility that in all honesty, 483 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: if not for you, it does not exist. 484 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 2: It means a lot as far as stepp enough for commitment, 485 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 2: and really the timing isn't maybe the best as you're saying, 486 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 2: because we're stretching donors. Everybody stretching donors these days, we're 487 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 2: stretching them more than ever because we're trying to We're 488 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 2: four hundred and fifty million in Phase one and we 489 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 2: have a whole other side of the field to do 490 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 2: next season hopefully, and we're still trying to get the 491 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 2: rest of this done. So it but it goes to 492 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 2: what you said. It shows that we're going to be 493 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 2: We're going to be committed. It means we understand and 494 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 2: and no offense to you as a basketball but where 495 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 2: college football is in the TV revenue streams and what 496 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 2: we have to be. And it showed that our chancellor 497 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:45,199 Speaker 2: and our athletic director, you know, as we went through this, 498 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 2: and how quickly this came together, and how quickly they 499 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 2: decided that we were going to make this happen, and 500 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 2: how quickly they put a shovel in the ground has 501 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 2: really been remarkable and it's starting to pay its dividends. 502 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: Is there one thing about it that you specifically ask 503 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 1: for that you're getting. 504 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, there's a couple of bells and whistles, probably 505 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 2: a virtual walk through room. We've gotten some other things 506 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 2: kind of kind of done that. On virtual walk through room. Yeah, 507 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 2: you'll see. It's kind of a new thing where it's 508 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 2: their software where you can get mental reps and stuff. 509 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: But so so gone to the days and in basketball 510 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: you have the manager tape out the court in the room. 511 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, yeah, we have a little more different than that. 512 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 2: I probably probably the one probably I don't know if 513 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 2: I've shared you there was by the office that I 514 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 2: will occupy, will have a fireplace in it, which will 515 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 2: be and I said, and my thing is I jokingly say, 516 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 2: like a fireside chat, but it is. But you know, 517 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 2: in today's world, of making people feel comfortable in a 518 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 2: setting that makes it one that you want, that was 519 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 2: one thing that we kind of try to strive for. 520 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 2: The one thing I did that after the twenty two 521 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 2: season we announced the when we announced this project was 522 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 2: I had to put in into the contract that we 523 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 2: were going to renovate by August one and we're gonna 524 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 2: and we're gonna get some things done by December because 525 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 2: I wanted to make sure that the players who had 526 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 2: invested it had really helped us turn this around, would 527 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:26,239 Speaker 2: experience something in the renovation of this program before that, 528 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,719 Speaker 2: because I knew with building a whole stadium they wouldn't 529 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 2: get a chance to play in it. So we renovated 530 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 2: the locker room in the weight room, and it was 531 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 2: really the two areas where they spend most of their 532 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 2: time were able to do some really nice upgrades that 533 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,199 Speaker 2: the players that really were contributing to that had a 534 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 2: chance of experience. 535 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 3: So that was one of To be sure to catch 536 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 3: live editions of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three 537 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 3: pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the 538 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 3: iHeartRadio app. 539 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: I want to bring in a guy who helped set 540 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,479 Speaker 1: us up here today. Cowboy him keen Is is a 541 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: donor of ours and now he claims you guys are 542 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: like childhood friends. That is that accurate? 543 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 2: Yes, it is. It's he's, uh, you know, I don't 544 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 2: know who's the benefactor of that or not, but it's 545 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 2: he's Actually, we're probably each other's first friend in life, 546 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 2: and we lived a block block away from each other, 547 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 2: and you know, we're probably in pre school of some 548 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 2: sort and my mother made me walk up the street 549 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 2: and and uh and and kind of I don't know 550 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 2: what they call in today's world, playdate type at the end. 551 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: So go make a friend. 552 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, go make a friend and and run right, Yeah, 553 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 2: that's right, And the street light comes on. You're you 554 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 2: need to be home? But but what street did you 555 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 2: grow up on? Krantz Avenue? 556 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: Okay, Tim, what what what street did you grow up on? 557 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 2: Yeah? 558 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: I turn your mic on? But I mean, not tech 559 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: savvy at all, not tech savvy at all, makes more 560 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: money than all of us, not tex. 561 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 2: Sav You got a mute button? There? 562 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: Come on, do you have a microphone in your computer? 563 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: This is this is a this is a very minor detail, 564 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: but one in which apparently you've skipped over. Now we 565 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: can just talk bad about him and he can't do 566 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: anything about it. 567 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 2: That's the beauty to it. I grew up here. 568 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: Here's here's my so. I had a uh, A buddy 569 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: named Kurt Jensen, who I got Now I still can't hear. 570 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: You're on mute. You're on mute, cowboy, You figure that 571 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: thing out. And I just remember I moved to California 572 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: when I was six years old. My dad was an 573 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: assistant in Lombeach State, and uh I said, Hey, my 574 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: name is Doug. Do you want to be friends. I'm 575 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: just I'm picturing you and you and Cowboy way back 576 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: to the day. Tim. Listen, you have a mute button on. 577 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: You got to figure that thing out otherwise, I mean, 578 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: coach has got recruiting calls to make for crying out loud. 579 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: Here there you go. No, well there we go. You 580 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: got a make it up. We can hear you. But 581 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: it's very very very very faint, coach. 582 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 2: Can you hear faint? It's muffled. 583 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: Man, that's not gonna work. It's not gonna work working 584 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: to wrap it. 585 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 2: You know. But I'll say this and Ana, but you, Doug. 586 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 2: The thing about about about Tim is he's been a 587 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 2: loyal friend. He's came out to all our games this year. 588 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 2: You know, in life, you know sometimes is especially in 589 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 2: this coaching world. You move you all over the country. 590 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 2: But when you can go back and keep your childhood friends, 591 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 2: you're really fortunate. 592 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: No, that's amazing, that's really amazing. What Okay, So the 593 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: new world order you have rev share and that looks 594 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: like it should theoretically balance everything out for at least 595 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: in the big twelve. Right, your REV shares the same 596 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: as Case State, same as iow State, same as those state, 597 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: same as Houston, Texas Tech. All that reality is does 598 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: the REV share and then you also have your collectives? 599 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: So people are going to go above and beyond that? 600 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 2: Correct, That's that's some means the multimillion dollar question. How 601 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,959 Speaker 2: is that? How's that fully going to be regulated? They 602 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 2: feel like they have a good thing in a clearinghouse 603 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 2: type of set thing and for what is going to 604 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 2: be commercial nil things. But it's to me it's a 605 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 2: wait and see to see how that goes through. But 606 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 2: I do think that all in, all that you know 607 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 2: is completely balanced. I do think we're in the same 608 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 2: ball with people. 609 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: Okay, here's the question. How do you balance out continuity 610 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: with talent? In other words, you take on a kid 611 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: and everybody, everybody in the portal is better than the 612 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: guys that you have, right right, But if you keep 613 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: this kid, you've had them in your program for a 614 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: year or two years, as opposed to somebody else, it's 615 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: like somebody else's VCR you're trying to reprogram. How do 616 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: you balance that out when you're putting together rust. 617 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 2: One of the things that we talked about, Doug is 618 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 2: is a culture of competition is what we're trying to established. 619 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 2: And we still feel like Kansas we have to be 620 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 2: a developmental program now. Where there's gaps or there's unexpected 621 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 2: attrition or other things, that's where we want to hit 622 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 2: the portal. We want to hit some things if the 623 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 2: development isn't happening fast enough. But again, you're right, you've 624 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 2: got to try to find it because guys will hit 625 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 2: the e jet button really quick and that continuity is 626 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 2: so important for your team. In the twenty two year, 627 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 2: in the January twenty two we brought some guys in 628 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 2: and the portal and the interesting thing was what I 629 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 2: found out was the current younger players at that time 630 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 2: really stepped their game up and they hung on to 631 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,719 Speaker 2: their starting jobs and really it created better competition. And 632 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 2: you're talking about what Kansas was for many years. I 633 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 2: think we walked into a situation here where players thought 634 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 2: that they would inherit playing time if they just hung 635 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 2: around long enough. If I go through it long enough, 636 00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 2: I stay, I'll get the plan and I'll get my film. Yeah, 637 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 2: And and what happened was when with the with the portal. 638 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 2: Now you can go bring in somebody that's a little older, 639 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 2: might have might have played, made played somewhere else. And 640 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 2: and I'll never forget. We brought in a transfer and 641 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 2: I had a current starter who had a good friend 642 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 2: I was a younger player, and he said, what's the matter, coach? 643 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 2: He texted me one night, you don't believe in so 644 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 2: and so. I said, yeah, I believe in so and so. 645 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,719 Speaker 2: I just want more depth at the position and competition. 646 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 2: And the thing is with that that current player hung 647 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 2: on to his starting job. It made the team better though, 648 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 2: And I think that's one positive that the portal can give. 649 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: When you're in the portal, how do you handle the 650 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: like how do you try and find out what the kids' 651 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: priorities are? 652 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 2: You know, obviously you got to make your background calls. 653 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 2: You got to find those things. And again then through 654 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 2: the question you try to dig in what are you 655 00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 2: hoping for? Is it again? Why why are you leaving? Okay, 656 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 2: that's the other thing. If if you if you see 657 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 2: a lot of finger pointing and blaming, then you don't 658 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 2: know if that's a good fit. Again, a lot of them, 659 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 2: you know a lot of them as well. I want 660 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 2: to get to the league or I want to do this, 661 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 2: but how are you going to get there? What are 662 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,800 Speaker 2: you willing to do? Are you are? You know what's 663 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 2: like you said, the priority of you want to try 664 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 2: to help the help the team get better. Hey, I'm 665 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 2: just looking at try to get to play. I understand 666 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 2: I got to earn it. You know, when they start talking, 667 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 2: if it starts, if the conversation start financially first, and 668 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 2: the amount of snaps, we're probably not in the right 669 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 2: ballpark with that individual. If it gets more about program, 670 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 2: an opportunity and and and helping a program, then we 671 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,479 Speaker 2: found out that we got a good mix. 672 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a very interesting Obviously everybody knows 673 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 1: the lead with money. You're like, yeah, we're good. But 674 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: but my big one is when they don't talk about winning. 675 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 1: You know, if you'd have mentioned, you know, winning, then. 676 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 2: Uh. 677 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: And then I asked him. I usually asked him a 678 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: basketball like you question, just to see what I'm dealing 679 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: with and to see how how how deep it is. 680 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: My problem is now I have too many smart ones 681 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: and I need I need a little bit more, a 682 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: little bit of hits in there. Gidea if you will Yeah, yep, 683 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: what's the ceiling. What's the what's the realistic ceiling for 684 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: KA football? 685 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 2: Well, again, like I said earlier, I think in today's 686 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 2: world of college football, there's no reason why we can 687 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 2: actual be for Big twelve championships and with with multiple 688 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 2: opportunitunities to be a team that can be a playoff team. 689 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 2: I think that's I think that's legitimate for for ninety 690 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 2: percent of the power forward programs in the country. I 691 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 2: really do, and I think our conference as much as 692 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 2: any What was there ever a moment though, because it 693 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 2: is your name, when you guys pop up with nine 694 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 2: games and you flip it that quick, you know you're 695 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 2: the Taco College football and yet you stayed you stayed. 696 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,839 Speaker 1: Was there a moment last year when you're going through 697 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: all the injuries and you're going through a season that 698 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,399 Speaker 1: wasn't as good as your thought that you're like, why 699 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: did do this? 700 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 2: When I leave, I think there's more point of disappointment 701 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 2: that I was letting people down, that this team wasn't 702 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 2: reaching what its potential was. But I have not sit 703 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 2: there gone I should have done this or done this 704 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 2: and looked and taken this other opportunity you know, I'm 705 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 2: sure through your Oklahoma State days, you know, Lawrence, Kansas 706 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,240 Speaker 2: is a nice college town. It's really a good place people. 707 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 2: My wife and I and our son, we really enjoy 708 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 2: it here. And the thing is, Doug, I could say this, 709 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 2: there's not a time that we're probably not out somewhere 710 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,399 Speaker 2: or doing something where somebody doesn't come up and say 711 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,720 Speaker 2: thank you or something. I truly feel that our work 712 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,359 Speaker 2: and things here are appreciated and I want to continue that. 713 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 2: And with that is I do feel that I haven't 714 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,040 Speaker 2: when you looked a little bit about you talk a 715 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 2: little bit about my career through this talk is I'd 716 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 2: like to think that I'm on the lower end of 717 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 2: career moves. When you when you look at things, and 718 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 2: many times I repeated back where I was at before. 719 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,439 Speaker 2: I'm not a job hopper. I'm not one to take 720 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 2: a lot of risks and do those things. So once 721 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 2: I find the place and we're happy, I'm I'm good. 722 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 2: Your parents still lot, No, they're not. Unfortunately my father 723 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 2: my mother passed you know, over twenty five years ago 724 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 2: and from cancer, and then Dad passed about three months 725 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 2: before I took this job. 726 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,919 Speaker 1: So I wonder what he would say if he knew 727 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:41,759 Speaker 1: you made or five million dollars coaching football, he. 728 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:46,479 Speaker 2: Would he would He's probably turning over in his grave. 729 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: What would what would what would Lance say to Lance? Like, 730 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,919 Speaker 1: twenty three year old making five hundred dollars to coach 731 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: football and meanwhile, you're trying to be a cop. You 732 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,399 Speaker 1: know at other hours, if you were to tell yourself, Hey, 733 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: you're gonna be sixty and you're gonna make five and 734 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 1: that million dollars coach college football, what would you say? 735 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 2: No? Way, You're the luckiest man on earth. And and 736 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 2: you know there's days where you really embrace it and 737 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 2: you go through it and you're so fortunate, and sometimes 738 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 2: it's crazy, and but I don't pay attention. My wife 739 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 2: does that, and as she all tells me, I still 740 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 2: act like I make the five hundred bucks that I 741 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:28,280 Speaker 2: made before. 742 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 1: It's always funny though, you start making more money, and 743 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,720 Speaker 1: you know, like all you wear is your school clothing anyway, 744 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: so you say, have a ton of money. 745 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 2: All right. 746 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: Last thing, I've lived in Wisconsin now for I don't know, 747 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 1: eight nine months, and one thing I know is people 748 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 1: love their sports. And then in the summer or outside 749 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: of the sports season. They either hunt and fish or 750 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 1: they play golf, which are you neither? 751 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 2: I don't have hobbies. We go to the beach maybe 752 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 2: in Florida or something. But I thought you're gonna bring 753 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 2: up the one thing that would I would do if 754 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 2: in Wisconsin. If I was you, I'd go to Summerfest 755 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 2: in Milwaukee. 756 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 1: Oh, I mean I went last year, no question. 757 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:13,919 Speaker 2: That's that was definitely a staple. So Brewers brought worst Summerfest. 758 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 2: Those are those are some of my. 759 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: Hobbies I've done. I've done all three of those. And 760 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 1: I did seven Packer games last year. Yeah, I overloaded 761 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:22,840 Speaker 1: on Packers. It was awesome. 762 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 2: Now, if I may ask a good questions, did you 763 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:27,479 Speaker 2: at Milwaukee at one time? 764 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,359 Speaker 1: Yes, seventy five to eighty one. 765 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 2: Did he did he work for like A Did he 766 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,280 Speaker 2: do something with the recruiting service at one time later 767 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 2: in his career or something? Yeah, I remember talking to 768 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 2: him on the phone one time. Wave. I think I 769 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:42,879 Speaker 2: was working in Omaha at that time. 770 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 1: I guarantee you did. That's why you know, it's like 771 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,279 Speaker 1: there's not a gym I go into that. People don't 772 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 1: know my dad, especially at the lower levels. You know, 773 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,440 Speaker 1: he had a great relationship with coach Bennett back in 774 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 1: the day when you know and you name it versus 775 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,319 Speaker 1: Pearl when he was at Southern Indiana U. So what 776 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 1: he did was he went from being a high school 777 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,280 Speaker 1: coach to Division one assistant. He was a k State 778 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 1: and at Creighton with coach Sutton was Jack Hartman. At 779 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,759 Speaker 1: k State, he was head coach Jacksonville, head coaching Milwaukee, 780 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 1: and he was assistant with text Winner his assistant for 781 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 1: one year of Ralph Miller Oregon State. And then he 782 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: kind of tooled around minor leagues and so he started 783 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: coaching youth basketball, and then youth basketball became AU basketball 784 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 1: became like a basketball academy, and he used to have 785 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,920 Speaker 1: a goal that every kid in his top team gets 786 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 1: a Division one scholarship. So he's calling around, putting together 787 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 1: highlight tapes, and he knew everybody in the sport. And 788 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: so at some point somebody grip pulled him aside and said, hey, 789 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 1: you know, you can make money doing this. And it 790 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,600 Speaker 1: was about, you know, my senior year that he started 791 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,640 Speaker 1: going and evaluating kids. He'd fly over the country, pop 792 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 1: into a random high school game, evaluate a kid, go 793 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 1: meet the parents and say like who's the recruiting your son, 794 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 1: They'd say nobody. He say, all right, listen again him 795 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,879 Speaker 1: a Division one scholarship, be this much, two, this much three, 796 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 1: And because the access to college was valuable for these kids, 797 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: and so he would he called everybody. He was just 798 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,319 Speaker 1: had an amazing work ethic with calling people, and he 799 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 1: was his belief which he instilled in me, which is, 800 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 1: you know, getting a kid to a college campus is 801 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,240 Speaker 1: a life changing moment. Do whatever you can, just around 802 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 1: people at a college, chance of them being married, being successful, 803 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 1: being out of jail, breaking the cycle, whatever, always all 804 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,839 Speaker 1: gets better if you just get into college. And then 805 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 1: if you get into one where it fits, they can play. 806 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 1: Now you're cooking and and that's what he did. So 807 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,800 Speaker 1: you know, he did that literally up until just about 808 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,319 Speaker 1: the day he died. He was coaching AU basketball, trying 809 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:44,400 Speaker 1: to play kids in college. 810 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 2: Wow. Awesome, awesome. 811 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, well listen, I'm gonna make it to a 812 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,480 Speaker 1: game this year. I don't appreciate, but I do completely 813 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,360 Speaker 1: respect the fact that your first year you got smoked 814 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 1: by Oklahoma State, and then the next time they come 815 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 1: to Lawrence it's the complete opposite, Right, I'm really kind 816 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,520 Speaker 1: of remarkable, remarkable. But I'm coming to a Jayhawk game 817 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,319 Speaker 1: this year and maybe we'll play the Jayhawks and hoops. 818 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:09,799 Speaker 1: We'll see coach elf sif we're going to do it, 819 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 1: but I'll wait till I see that contract. 820 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 2: That'd be great. 821 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 1: But listen, it's an honor to talk to you because 822 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 1: you are a builder, you are a somebody who I 823 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,360 Speaker 1: think everybody in college football has an immense, immense amount 824 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,719 Speaker 1: of respect for how you do and what you do, 825 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,920 Speaker 1: not just at KU, but at Buffalo and at Whitewater previously. 826 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:31,759 Speaker 1: So I truly appreciate your time. 827 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,200 Speaker 2: Well I appreciate it too. Thanks for the opportunity. I 828 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 2: really enjoyed it, and let's do it begin, no doubt. 829 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 2: Thanks you much to the way, Thank you, thank you 830 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,040 Speaker 2: see a cowboy. 831 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 1: Wow, my thanks to coach Leopold for joining us, spending 832 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,800 Speaker 1: all that time. Pretty awesome stuff. I hope you enjoyed, 833 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 1: Coach in both of those those two editions of All Ball. 834 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,840 Speaker 1: Remember the Doug Gottlieb Show or airs daily three to 835 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,720 Speaker 1: five e's from twelve two Pacific Fox Sports Tradio. Iheartradiot Plus. 836 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 1: You download that in podcast form anytime you want. Just 837 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 1: type in Doug ot this podcast. In the meantime, I'm 838 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:07,799 Speaker 1: Doug Gottliebin. This is all ball.