Speaker 1: So what are we looking at here? It's is it
Speaker 1: a particularly gay desk? To you? I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what that means. I don't know
Speaker 1: what it does either. But wasn't that what you were
Speaker 1: checking out? Were you literally asking people to show you
Speaker 1: how queer their desk is? No, No, I promise there's
Speaker 1: a point. Stick with me. Hi. I'm Francesca Levi and
Speaker 1: I'm right back at Greenfield. This week we're talking about
Speaker 1: what it means to be gay at work. In the
Speaker 1: clip you just heard is from Nancy, a W and
Speaker 1: I C podcast about lgbt Q issues, and we're going
Speaker 1: to have more from that show and here from its
Speaker 1: hosts in a bit right now. We thought it was
Speaker 1: a particularly good time to ask the question of what
Speaker 1: it's like to be gay at work? Yeah, so, over
Speaker 1: last ten years, there have been more protections for gay people,
Speaker 1: both in and outside the workplace. Of course, we all
Speaker 1: know of the Supreme Court decision that legalized gay marriage
Speaker 1: and the shifting cultural norms that came with that, but
Speaker 1: there was also some legal changes that happened. Um the
Speaker 1: Obama administration issued executive orders that were meant to protect
Speaker 1: the LGBT community, and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission also
Speaker 1: issued guidance that was supposed to protect the same people.
Speaker 1: Of course, all that has changed in the last ten
Speaker 1: months with the new administration, which hasn't been as friendly
Speaker 1: and i'd say more hostile to that community. And in
Speaker 1: the past couple of weeks, this tension between the old
Speaker 1: administration's policies and the new administration's policy has kind of
Speaker 1: come to a head. There's a case that's moving through
Speaker 1: the courts right now that centers on a man who
Speaker 1: said he was fired for being gay. In the past.
Speaker 1: The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission had to argue that he
Speaker 1: was protected by Title seven of the Civil Rights Act,
Speaker 1: which protects against discrimination on the basis of several things,
Speaker 1: including sex, but not sexual orientation. But the e o
Speaker 1: C had argued that sexual orientation goes hand in hand
Speaker 1: with sex discrimination. Now, however, the Department of Justice, led
Speaker 1: by Jeff Sessions, is arguing against that position in the
Speaker 1: very same case. So the government is actually arguing with
Speaker 1: itself over whether or not you are protected from discrimination
Speaker 1: if you're gay. And this isn't the first time that
Speaker 1: in the short ten months of the administration that Trump
Speaker 1: has sent negative signals to that community. Over the summer,
Speaker 1: he issued a ban on transgender people serving in the
Speaker 1: military openly, and by some estimates, that is the largest
Speaker 1: employer of trans people. That's a huge number of people
Speaker 1: who suddenly have their employment status just thrown into doubt.
Speaker 1: And even if you're not a member of that group,
Speaker 1: even if you aren't actively being discriminated against. I think
Speaker 1: all of these big picture policy changes have a way
Speaker 1: of trickling down into everyday cultural and social norms, and
Speaker 1: so we wanted to use the rest of the episode
Speaker 1: to talk about what day to day life is really
Speaker 1: like at work if you're gay. One question is whether
Speaker 1: to be out at work at all. We asked a
Speaker 1: few people how they made that decision. So I've always
Speaker 1: been out at work, and I think part of that
Speaker 1: is because there's evidence of me being gay all over
Speaker 1: my resume, so I kind of haven't given myself much
Speaker 1: of a choice there um. But I think mostly it's
Speaker 1: because I work in a progressive university environment where there's
Speaker 1: really just not much of a downside to being open,
Speaker 1: and the way I usually handle it in a new
Speaker 1: work relationship is just by really casually men training in
Speaker 1: a conversation, you know, something that my husband and I
Speaker 1: were talking about the night before. UM. I also think
Speaker 1: that for my first job, being gay and talking about
Speaker 1: that in the interview was strangely a huge part of
Speaker 1: why I got that first job and ended up being
Speaker 1: a really queer team that I was joining. UM. So
Speaker 1: this whole being out at work thing has worked out
Speaker 1: pretty well for me so far. I am out at
Speaker 1: work because when I was younger, I didn't have many
Speaker 1: role models, and I was constantly looking for people who
Speaker 1: I thought were LGBT, and I'd have these fantasies about, Oh,
Speaker 1: maybe he's going to come out so I can just
Speaker 1: be myself, or she's going to tell me that she's
Speaker 1: a lesbian and I can say I am too. And
Speaker 1: I never found those people. And UM, I literally come
Speaker 1: out every day every time I meet somebody new, in
Speaker 1: every new situation, when I have a new employee, and UM,
Speaker 1: you know, my thought is that if I can uh
Speaker 1: impact one person who finds some strength or comfort in
Speaker 1: knowing that, um that I'm with them, then you know,
Speaker 1: it means the world to me. So that's why I'm
Speaker 1: out of work. In the first few jobs I had
Speaker 1: in my early twenties, I wasn't out. I think some
Speaker 1: of it was being young and not knowing if it
Speaker 1: was appropriate or safe. But at my current position, I've
Speaker 1: been out since day one. Part of it was actually
Speaker 1: just happenstance. A coworker to me into a conversation about
Speaker 1: the other gays in the office, and I just went
Speaker 1: with it because I was a gay in the office.
Speaker 1: But I feel like it's a luxury to be in
Speaker 1: an office where being out as something so accepted and
Speaker 1: undramatic that I never even really had to come out
Speaker 1: there at all. Deciding whether to come out is just
Speaker 1: one part of the equation. Our guests today are going
Speaker 1: to talk about the many other things LGBTQ people experience
Speaker 1: at work. Kathy Too and Tobin Low host w n
Speaker 1: y c's Nancy Podcast. They're in the middle of a
Speaker 1: series of episodes called Out at Work. So obviously you
Speaker 1: two are out at work now, um, in your current jobs.
Speaker 1: But has that always been the case that this is
Speaker 1: this something you've negotiated at previous jobs. For me, I
Speaker 1: would say I've always been in sort of let's say,
Speaker 1: crunchy fields. So I was a classical musician. For a while,
Speaker 1: it was a cellist, and and then I got into
Speaker 1: public radio. So it always has felt like I've been
Speaker 1: in very queer friendly kinds of fields. So for me,
Speaker 1: I would I feel like the ways it's manifested have
Speaker 1: been in the more subtle ways of trying to navigate
Speaker 1: somebody who asked about my girlfriend and then me having
Speaker 1: to politely navigate them towards no, I don't have a
Speaker 1: partner right now, or I don't have a boyfriend right now,
Speaker 1: or I do have a boyfriend, so that this sort
Speaker 1: of like everyday office politics, I guess, is what I
Speaker 1: would say. I've had to navigate. Yeah, and ever since
Speaker 1: I've been out, I haven't every job I've been in anyways,
Speaker 1: I've never hit it from anybody, except for one specific
Speaker 1: job in which I didn't feel safe, But other than that,
Speaker 1: I feel like i've been I've been pretty out right.
Speaker 1: And now of course we're professionally gay. Kathy, can you
Speaker 1: go into why you didn't feel safe being out at
Speaker 1: that job? Yeah? Well, now everybody's like, what is the job? Um?
Speaker 1: I've worked as an E M T for Ambience Company
Speaker 1: for about a year, like right out of college, and
Speaker 1: the people that I was working with on a daily basis,
Speaker 1: it just felt like, well, first of all, I heard
Speaker 1: comments that were fairly homophobic. And I don't want to
Speaker 1: say that this is true for like the entire health industry.
Speaker 1: This is very specific to my ambulance, I would say.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't like I made up a life for myself.
Speaker 1: I just didn't talk about it. And after that I decided,
Speaker 1: I was like, this is never gonna be a thing
Speaker 1: that I'm going to do again, because it just didn't
Speaker 1: feel even though it had nothing to do with my
Speaker 1: work at the time, it didn't feel like my coworkers
Speaker 1: knew me, and it didn't feel like I could really
Speaker 1: be myself at work. I was always a little bit
Speaker 1: on edge. I think, well, now you're in a role
Speaker 1: that's the complete opposite of that. At w hen y
Speaker 1: C's Nancy podcast, you um, as you just joked, you're
Speaker 1: sort of professionally gay. So what's it like to have
Speaker 1: a job that's that's so tied to that identity. It's
Speaker 1: it's weird to swing all the way to the other side,
Speaker 1: because again I started feeling uncomfortable and like uncomfortable on
Speaker 1: both ends of the spectrum. But it's the thing that
Speaker 1: I've gotten a lot more used to talking about queerness.
Speaker 1: For a while, I think I felt like I didn't
Speaker 1: have the credentials or the knowledge or the history, or
Speaker 1: didn't know about the history behind us. I couldn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't feel like I was qualified to talk about queerness generally.
Speaker 1: But then I realized, I'm just talking about myself and
Speaker 1: how I'm working through things every day, and at this
Speaker 1: workplace anyways, at this at this company, it's super accepted.
Speaker 1: I think for me. When we were developing the show,
Speaker 1: you know, neither Kathy nor I have had jobs where
Speaker 1: our queerness is defined in that job, and so navigating
Speaker 1: how the show would incorporate that, I think we were
Speaker 1: both afraid, like Kathy was saying, that we would be
Speaker 1: coming off as quote unquote experts. And that's the thing
Speaker 1: we really didn't want for the show, because the experiences
Speaker 1: in the LGBTQ community are so diverse that nobody is
Speaker 1: really like an expert. So I think the thing we
Speaker 1: pushed towards is what we love about radio is doing
Speaker 1: really story driven work and letting people speak from their
Speaker 1: personal experience um and that has I think enabled us
Speaker 1: to feel much more comfortable in these host roles as
Speaker 1: like professional gays, because really all anyone on the show
Speaker 1: is responsible for is telling their own story. Open. When
Speaker 1: you were talking about how you have all these other
Speaker 1: considerations with being out of work and not just being gay,
Speaker 1: can you guys go into that a little bit more
Speaker 1: and talk about how maybe being professionally gay has changed
Speaker 1: that dynamic. Sure. What I was sort of referencing is
Speaker 1: I think what we have found a lot in this
Speaker 1: project we're doing out at work, which is that I
Speaker 1: think people think about the concept being out at work
Speaker 1: as a yes or no question like are you out?
Speaker 1: Are you not out? Uh? And in truth, the answers
Speaker 1: are much more nuanced and much more complicated, and there's
Speaker 1: a lot to navigate and just aside from are you
Speaker 1: out or not in the everyday interactions. And so for me, like,
Speaker 1: I think the interactions that I've had around being gay
Speaker 1: in the workplace how have been a lot more subtle.
Speaker 1: They've been like I said before, you know, talking about
Speaker 1: partners or I've also experienced the thing where maybe female
Speaker 1: coworkers see me as the token ke coworker. So there's
Speaker 1: a lot of fashion advice and um uh maybe wanting
Speaker 1: to talk about sexual escapades because there's an assumption that
Speaker 1: like I maybe game to talk about that, which maybe
Speaker 1: I am, maybe I'm not. But it fair. You do
Speaker 1: give me passion advice, that's true. I do give you
Speaker 1: fashion advice. But you're a special exception. So you know
Speaker 1: you you do that subtle navigation every day. And I
Speaker 1: should say, like in the spectrum of the the LGBT
Speaker 1: experience at work, that is a very easy and subtle
Speaker 1: thing to have to deal with. We've heard from people
Speaker 1: who have to deal with you know, how do you
Speaker 1: navigate sharing your pronouns in the workplace, How do you
Speaker 1: navigate transition in the workplace? How do you navigate if
Speaker 1: you might get five aired for coming out? So those
Speaker 1: are sort of the big things that this project is
Speaker 1: asking um forgetting the second part of the question, Oh,
Speaker 1: how does being a professional k change that? It's funny
Speaker 1: because it's in my job title now, so anyone who's
Speaker 1: meaning me it's like part of the it's part you know,
Speaker 1: it might as well be on my business card like
Speaker 1: noted homosexual. Um, So that that has changed, and that
Speaker 1: in some ways it makes it way easier to navigate
Speaker 1: because it's it's just on its face what it is. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I used to signal that on my resume, that
Speaker 1: sort of thing, because I didn't want to work with
Speaker 1: people that weren't going to be okay with it, and
Speaker 1: now it is it is kind of I mean, I
Speaker 1: should put on my website, to be honest. So, as
Speaker 1: you say, it's it's a lot more complicated than just
Speaker 1: deciding whether to be out or not at work and
Speaker 1: then just being done with it. And you did an
Speaker 1: episode called does Your Boss Know You're Gay? What are
Speaker 1: some of the stories that you uncovered doing that episod
Speaker 1: owdn the things that you learned about navigating all that right,
Speaker 1: So we talked to a teacher who you know, you
Speaker 1: hear this phrase thrown around sometimes when you talk about
Speaker 1: being gay in the workplace, which is married on Sunday,
Speaker 1: fired on Monday. Um. And it's this idea that you
Speaker 1: can have the legal rights of marriage in this country,
Speaker 1: but if your employer is not okay with it, you
Speaker 1: could lose employment. Um. And we talked to a teacher
Speaker 1: who quite literally had that happened to him. Um. He
Speaker 1: got married. He had been working as a teacher and
Speaker 1: then a substitute teacher at this one school for many years. Um.
Speaker 1: And then when he shared on Facebook that he was
Speaker 1: planning to get married, he was let go from his job.
Speaker 1: It was a it was a Catholic high school. One
Speaker 1: of the things that struck me about it was that
Speaker 1: he was he was sort of out at work before that.
Speaker 1: His colleagues and his principle knew that he was gay
Speaker 1: and it and it goes to the confusion when you
Speaker 1: might have an employer who you know at the higher
Speaker 1: levels has different values than your immediate co workers. So
Speaker 1: it's like he was out in one way, but then
Speaker 1: he became two out for for his employer. And I
Speaker 1: that seems like one of the subtle, nuanced ways that
Speaker 1: it isn't just about, you know, it isn't just one
Speaker 1: decision whether to be out or not. It's who you
Speaker 1: come out to. Oh. Absolutely, And I mean we should
Speaker 1: say that that teacher's name is Lonnie Billard. Um. And
Speaker 1: I also want to shout out our producer Matt Collette,
Speaker 1: who handled the reporting on that story. Um. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right. Like the thing that we
Speaker 1: have heard from a lot of people who have responded
Speaker 1: to us in this project is We've heard from a
Speaker 1: lot of educators, especially like teachers and principles who I
Speaker 1: think I have to really think about this and really
Speaker 1: think about what it means to be out at work
Speaker 1: and what it means to be out to their students
Speaker 1: UM and there seems to be a lot of nuance
Speaker 1: there and how you figure that out as a teacher. YEA.
Speaker 1: After your episode, you asked people to send in their
Speaker 1: experiences of being lgbt Q at work. What are some
Speaker 1: of the other things that you've found from that Some
Speaker 1: examples that we've had come in through our survey. I've
Speaker 1: seen a couple of people at least who have chosen
Speaker 1: to wear like little buttons that have their pronouns on them,
Speaker 1: and that's like a very clever way of handling being
Speaker 1: out at the workplace. We've also seen people who have
Speaker 1: shared UH their transition with a boss and then that
Speaker 1: boss went to um HR and then it was shared
Speaker 1: with the entire company. So we've also seen people who
Speaker 1: try to control who they come out to and then
Speaker 1: sort of in the company, not knowing how to handle it,
Speaker 1: it ends up coming out to everyone UM and then
Speaker 1: also we see a lot of people who fall in
Speaker 1: this gray area category of sort of out to some people,
Speaker 1: not out to everyone, or maybe they are out about
Speaker 1: their gender identity but not out about their sexual identity. Um,
Speaker 1: so it takes all forms. It's like a thing that
Speaker 1: we we've seen a lot of in this survey. We
Speaker 1: found that a lot of especially people who identify as bisexual,
Speaker 1: feel conflicted in their responsibility to be out at work,
Speaker 1: especially if they're currently in an opposite sex partnership in
Speaker 1: which maybe their queerness is not obvious if they are
Speaker 1: talking about their partner. So we've had We've heard from
Speaker 1: a lot of bisexual people saying I'd like to be
Speaker 1: out or I'm not sure what my responsibility to share
Speaker 1: this with my coworkers is. Because there's also a lot
Speaker 1: of stigma against bisexual people, so sharing it comes with
Speaker 1: all of these unfortunate attachments where people assume promiscuity or
Speaker 1: people assume, um, you know, quote unquote greediness. So that
Speaker 1: we saw a lot of bisexual angst in responses. It's
Speaker 1: interesting you bring that up. I wrote a story about
Speaker 1: the bisexual pay gap, and I got so many responses
Speaker 1: of people not believing me that that was a thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is that is a very real thing that people
Speaker 1: I think for a long time have assumes that bisexuality
Speaker 1: is stop on the way to gay town is like
Speaker 1: a very popular saying, which you know, I think right
Speaker 1: now there's this real claiming of bisexuality as its own
Speaker 1: true thing and a lot of bisexual pride coming out,
Speaker 1: and it's unfortunate to hear that you've got that kind
Speaker 1: of pushed back. One thing I noticed about both your
Speaker 1: episode and what you're telling us now about what you're
Speaker 1: hearing from your listeners is that if you're LGBTQ, there's
Speaker 1: just so much more planning and and and deliberation and
Speaker 1: thought that has to go into things that you know,
Speaker 1: if you're straight and you work in an environment where
Speaker 1: that's kind of the accepted mainstream, you don't have to
Speaker 1: think about So you don't have to think about if
Speaker 1: I put a picture of my you know, spouse or
Speaker 1: partner up, is that going to make me have a
Speaker 1: conversation I don't want to have, or put my job
Speaker 1: at risk or all these things. You just you sort
Speaker 1: of do it, and then you know, if that isn't
Speaker 1: your situation, you're kind of stuck in this position where
Speaker 1: you like, do I want to politicize my identity, all
Speaker 1: of these questions that a lot of people at the
Speaker 1: luxury of not thinking about. Yeah, that's sort of like,
Speaker 1: that's sort of just the privilege of being in the majority,
Speaker 1: I think, and until um society shifts in a way
Speaker 1: where it's completely quote unquote normal, it's it's just like
Speaker 1: in the majority. For people to be queer at work,
Speaker 1: I think that's always going to be a thing that
Speaker 1: everybody has to negotiate. I mean, at this at this
Speaker 1: job UM at lecent Our, our team Nancy were majority queer,
Speaker 1: so I've never had to think about that. But I
Speaker 1: can see absolutely any other job that we've been in
Speaker 1: where I had to negotiate that without even thinking about it.
Speaker 1: Just you always just know that it's a thing that
Speaker 1: you have to negotiate. Right, Well, I think there's two
Speaker 1: interesting things here. I mean, like I remember UM for
Speaker 1: the first episode, I talked to a coworker who sort
Speaker 1: of throughout this challenge where he was like, just try
Speaker 1: to go a day and not mention your partner. Just
Speaker 1: try in casual conversation, you know, someone asks you what
Speaker 1: you're doing for the weekend, you know, you have to
Speaker 1: think about do I mention my partner that we're doing
Speaker 1: this thing together. So there's there's I think a camp
Speaker 1: of thinking that is like it just comes up all
Speaker 1: the time. I think one thing that surprised us in
Speaker 1: the results of this survey too, is people who came
Speaker 1: back and really said, it doesn't feel relevant to share
Speaker 1: my sexuality, to share my gender identity. It's a thing
Speaker 1: that I don't feel. It's not that I am ashamed,
Speaker 1: it's not that I am in the closet, it's that
Speaker 1: I just don't think it's something that I want to
Speaker 1: talk about at work. Um, So there's definitely that out
Speaker 1: there of people who feel like it doesn't have a
Speaker 1: place in the workplace, even if they are out in
Speaker 1: their own lives. Yeah, it seems like there are just
Speaker 1: so many subtle ways people can experience being gay at
Speaker 1: work that aren't necessarily outright discrimination exactly. Yeah. Well, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for coming on and talking to us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we look forward to the big reveal episode coming
Speaker 1: up where you share your the results of the all
Speaker 1: of the research you've been doing with with your listeners.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for that episode. Magic episode, throw the cape
Speaker 1: over and be like here it is with you. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for having us. Thank you guys. And
Speaker 1: Kathie and Tobin's current set up, they said they don't
Speaker 1: really have to even think about their sexual identities. They
Speaker 1: said that most of the people they work with are
Speaker 1: queer and they can come to work and just do work,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of the ideal. The former CEO of
Speaker 1: Goldman Sachs, Marty Schavaz, said that's exactly why he encouraged
Speaker 1: people to be out at work, because then they can
Speaker 1: bring their whole selves to work and therefore be happier, healthier,
Speaker 1: and more productive, which makes sense. There was another survey
Speaker 1: of lgbt Q business leaders that found that people who
Speaker 1: were in the closet said they were spending way too
Speaker 1: much energy pretending to be straight and as a result
Speaker 1: that they weren't working as hard for their company. I mean,
Speaker 1: it makes sense, like if you have to think about
Speaker 1: your sex life basically at work and how it could
Speaker 1: hurt your job, I don't know how you would be
Speaker 1: able to do your job to the best of your ability.
Speaker 1: It does seem like the ideal scenario that you'd be
Speaker 1: able to just be open and not have to think
Speaker 1: too much about sharing your identity with your colleagues or
Speaker 1: your boss, UM, and of course there's a productivity angle too,
Speaker 1: you know. Then again, the experiences on this as we're learning,
Speaker 1: are so varied that there are so many layers of
Speaker 1: things that you have to think about that everybody's experience
Speaker 1: is different. So that's why I'm really looking forward to
Speaker 1: opening Cathy's upcoming episode UM sharing all their listener feedback.
Speaker 1: And with that, let's move on to half bake takes
Speaker 1: half fake takes. If you have a half bake take,
Speaker 1: you can share it with us by calling two one
Speaker 1: to six one seven zero one six six and leaving
Speaker 1: us a voicemail. We might play it on the show.
Speaker 1: This week, we have a listener half baked take about
Speaker 1: breakfast at work. Hi, Hello, ladies, my name is Daniela.
Speaker 1: I'm calling you from Austin, Texas, and uh I guess
Speaker 1: my half baked take today is you know, if you
Speaker 1: have some type of power over you know, the organization
Speaker 1: spurs and you know you're in a position where you
Speaker 1: can actually bring you know, breakfast with the entire organization,
Speaker 1: just please let you know the workers know that you're
Speaker 1: doing that. Some of us try to wait a healthy Um,
Speaker 1: you know lifestyle, and you know, put a lot of
Speaker 1: work in the morning to get a healthy breakfast. And sometimes,
Speaker 1: you know, every once in a while, having breakfast at
Speaker 1: the company's a time saver. So I don't know, I
Speaker 1: just don't surprises with a bunch of a lot of
Speaker 1: yummy food. Uh. And you know we can do even
Speaker 1: need it because we would already have breakfast. So I
Speaker 1: don't know. So anyway, thanks so much, keep probably good work.
Speaker 1: I love it, and uh feel next time. By Becca,
Speaker 1: I feel like this just happened to you. Recently, there
Speaker 1: was a a sort of impromptu big meeting at work
Speaker 1: where donuts were served, and everybody was talking about the
Speaker 1: donuts afterwards, and you were like, well, I didn't know
Speaker 1: there was gonna be breakfast, so I ate breakfast at home.
Speaker 1: And you were disappointed. You're right, that did happen. I
Speaker 1: completely forgot. Also, I was disappointed. And then also I
Speaker 1: felt like people were judging me for not eating the
Speaker 1: dough Yeah, they thought you you were too good, too
Speaker 1: good for you delicious doughnut. I'm not too good, I'm
Speaker 1: too full. He's absolutely right. Let people know if breakfast
Speaker 1: or a lunch for that matter, will be served at
Speaker 1: a meeting, because people do plan their plan their meals
Speaker 1: around these things. Becca, what's your hat big take this week?
Speaker 1: This take is about my Instagram feed and how basically
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with my niece and all I want to
Speaker 1: do is post pictures of her. But I've understand what
Speaker 1: she's extremely she's extremely cute, and how my Instagram feed
Speaker 1: is basically just ways that I can post enough pictures
Speaker 1: in between the nice pictures. It's like I try to
Speaker 1: post pictures of other things just so I can get
Speaker 1: to another picture of her. What is the correct number
Speaker 1: of pictures to buffer the nice pictures? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Like I posted like two or three
Speaker 1: of her in a row, and I felt like that
Speaker 1: was far too many, um, and then I was like,
Speaker 1: I'll post some other jokes and like scenery. And then
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I can't. It's time I did it.
Speaker 1: I sort of do the same thing UM with my son,
Speaker 1: where I'm like, okay, it's been four pictures of him
Speaker 1: in a row. Let me post a picture of something
Speaker 1: funny on the sidewalk to make it look like I
Speaker 1: think about anything else exactly. I think someone needs I
Speaker 1: would love if someone took this take up a notch
Speaker 1: and told us the right ratio the take is two
Speaker 1: half right now, we don't know that. Somebody needs to
Speaker 1: do the mass. Maybe like a physicist or a scientist. Yeah,
Speaker 1: someone with a PhD. Yeah, tweet at us, Francesca, what's
Speaker 1: your half? Big take? Mine is also a picture themed.
Speaker 1: This is a very nice thing you can do for
Speaker 1: the people in your life. If you have, let's say,
Speaker 1: been to a party and you have picture is of
Speaker 1: your friends in your phone that are flattering, where your
Speaker 1: friends look good, just send it to them. You might
Speaker 1: not want to post the picture yourself. It may not
Speaker 1: be that important to you to put on your social media.
Speaker 1: But you know people have a hard time finding picture
Speaker 1: good pictures of themselves to post on social media. So
Speaker 1: just just send a picture to somebody and they'll totally
Speaker 1: appreciate it. I think you do run the risk of
Speaker 1: them thinking it's a bad picture of themselves. This just
Speaker 1: happened to me, But then it's up to them to
Speaker 1: post it, right. So it's like you have basically, if
Speaker 1: you have a if I have a picture of you
Speaker 1: where you look good, I have this and I don't
Speaker 1: do anything with it. Then I just have this like
Speaker 1: little pot of gold that I'm keeping stashed away in
Speaker 1: my phone and I'm not doing anything with it. I
Speaker 1: could just give it to you. Side conversation, what is
Speaker 1: up with pictures that other people think look good where
Speaker 1: you think you look bad? I hate that. Well, there's
Speaker 1: always the thing of like one person in the picture
Speaker 1: looks good and like I know, I scan pictures for
Speaker 1: like they look it, and then I'll show it to
Speaker 1: somebody and be like, oh, isn't this a great picture
Speaker 1: of us? And what I really mean is like, this
Speaker 1: is a good picture of me. I don't really care
Speaker 1: how you look. Many half big takes once then yeah,
Speaker 1: and this has been half big takes, half baked takes.
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