1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media. Hello Molly here. If you're a longtime 2 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: Weird Little Guys listener, you might recognize this episode as 3 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: one you've heard before. But don't panic, it's not a 4 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: rerun week. There is a regular episode today. Two This 5 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: one is back at the top of your feed today 6 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: for your convenience, because if you haven't heard this one, 7 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: you might want to give it a listen alongside today's 8 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: regular episode. I write a lot of multi part stories, 9 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: but usually part two comes out the week after part one. 10 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: That's really the only way to do it. And there 11 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: are episodes I would love to write right now that 12 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: I'm putting off because I know the ending will change 13 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: if I just wait a little longer. But when I 14 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: wrote this episode in October of twenty twenty four, the 15 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,279 Speaker 1: subject of the story was just a few days into 16 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: a nearly five year term in federal prison. I figured, 17 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: even if he did have a second act, it wouldn't 18 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: be for another few years. At least. This part of 19 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: the story was definitely over. But that five year prison 20 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: sentence ended three months later. On January twentieth, twenty twenty five, 21 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: within hours of being sworn into office for his second term, 22 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: Donald Trump pardoned more than fifteen hundred people who'd been 23 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: charged with federal crimes related to their participation in the 24 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: January sixth insurrection. With the stroke of a pen, he 25 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: erased the legal consequences of those actions, whether that consequence 26 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: had been a slap on the wrist for a misdemeanor 27 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: trespassing conviction or two decades in prison for seditious conspiracy. 28 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: Whatever they'd done, they were free to go. Technically, most 29 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: of them already were free. Four years into the investigation 30 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,959 Speaker 1: and prosecution of the events of January sixth, there were 31 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: hundreds of defendants who'd already resolved their cases and completed 32 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: whatever sentence they'd been given. If they got any sentence 33 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: at all, Hundreds of those convicted weren't sentenced to any 34 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: period of incarceration. Most of the January sixth defendants still 35 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: in custody by twenty twenty five were outliers. They'd been 36 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:48,119 Speaker 1: leaders or planners where they'd committed crimes of violence, they'd 37 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: used weapons, they were convicted of multiple felonies, and they 38 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: were going to be in there for a while. Within 39 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: twelve hours of the president's pardon, the Bureau of Prisons 40 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: released two hundred and eleven January sixth defendants who were 41 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: still in custody. Tyler Bradley Dykes was one of those 42 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: two hundred eleven. This episode from October of twenty twenty 43 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: four is about how he ended up in prison. Now 44 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, he's running for Congress. Last week, 45 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: a jury in Alpamarole County, Virginia found Augustus Sole Invictus 46 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: guilty on the felony charge of burning an object with 47 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: the intent to intimidate for his participation in the Nazi 48 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: torch march at the University of Virginia on August eleventh, 49 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. This was not only the first trial conviction 50 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: for this charge, it was the first ever jury verdict 51 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: reached on a charge under Section eighteen point two dashed 52 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: four twenty three point oh one of the Virginia Code. 53 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: That law passed in two thousand and two in response 54 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:10,279 Speaker 1: to the legal challenge to Virginia's crossburning statute by Pennsylvania 55 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: clansman Berry black I spent the last two episodes talking 56 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: about the history of cross burning in Virginia and the 57 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: life and legal battles of the man who brought about 58 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: this change to the law, and I told you that 59 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: until last year, that law had been sitting on the books, 60 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: all but untouched for two decades. I left you last 61 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: week with a terrifying image, a small group of students 62 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: surrounded by a sea of flames one summer night seven 63 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: years ago. I told you a few weeks ago that 64 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: this is a story I've been writing and rewriting for years. 65 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: I could fill six months worth of episodes with just 66 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: the stories of the men who carried those torches. The 67 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 1: years I've spent watching the same few minutes of history, 68 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: frame by frame from different angles, placing individual men within 69 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: that seething mass of violent intent taught me a lot 70 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: about the kinds of weird little guys that make up 71 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: a crowd like this. There are cops and criminals, soldiers 72 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 1: and soldiers of fortune, students and fathers, domestic abusers, realtors 73 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: and lawyers and small business owners, social media personalities, and 74 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: wanted fugitives. They're your neighbors, your weird cousin, that guy 75 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: at work you don't want to talk about politics with. 76 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: They're all just some guy. There were hundreds of them 77 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: there that night in August of twenty seventeen. But we'll 78 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: just start with one today. I'm Molly Conger. This is weird, 79 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: Little guys under You might think this episode is going 80 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: to be about Augustus and Victus. It isn't. There will 81 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: one day probably be a multi episode arc about the 82 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: man who calls himself the Attorney for the Damned. A 83 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: man whose name literally appears in the Miriam Webster Dictionary 84 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 1: in the example sentence for the term white nationalist. A 85 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: man who has been both a proud boy and a 86 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: presidential candidate, both a goat slaughtering, blood drinking wizard and 87 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: a traditionalist Catholic. A father of seven with two ex 88 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: wives and a string of police reports filed by wives, girlfriends, 89 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: and mistresses. An attorney who's list includes white supremacist paramilitaries, 90 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: Nazi street gangs, and antisemitic trolls. A man who once 91 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: renounced all of his worldly possessions and wandered off into 92 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: the desert, proclaiming himself to be a god and a prophet, 93 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: before quietly returning to Orlando to work at his father's 94 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: law office. But that day isn't today. His conviction last 95 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: week won't be the end of his story. I'm sure 96 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: of that, So I'll bide my time, because while Augustus 97 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: Invictus was the first person ever found guilty by a 98 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: jury of the crime of burning an object with the 99 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: intent to intimidate, he wasn't the first to be convicted. 100 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: Before his trial last week, there had already been five 101 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: guilty pleas by other members of that march. You see, 102 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: there is no statute of limitations on a felony in 103 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: the Commonwealth of Virginia. Whether or not that's wise or 104 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: really in the over all best interests of justice more 105 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: generally is a discussion for another day, and maybe for 106 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: another person, but it is the current state of affairs, 107 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: and Virginia is a southern state, the one time capital 108 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: of the Confederacy. Few states without a bloody history of 109 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: clan violence even have a law on the books that 110 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: makes it a crime to use a burning object as 111 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: a tool of intimidation. But we did have such a history, 112 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:33,719 Speaker 1: and we do have the resulting law. So even though 113 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: that march in twenty seventeen feels like it was almost 114 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: a lifetime ago, it's not too late under Virginia law 115 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: to hold those men accountable. To date, twelve men who 116 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: marched that night have been charged under a Virginia law 117 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: that makes it a felony to burn an object with 118 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: the intent to intimidate. Five have pleaded guilty to it, 119 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: three have entered into pleagre reamons to the lesser charge 120 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: of disorderly conduct, one went to trial and got a 121 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: hung jury, and two cases remained pending. The first sentence 122 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: handed down in one of these cases was for Tyler 123 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: Bradley Dikes. His story touches on quite a few of 124 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: the recurring themes of this show. He was a US 125 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: Marine who was discharged for his involvement in extremist groups. 126 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: He attended this Nazi rally where he's on video, throwing 127 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: punches and Hitler salutes, and when he wasn't held accountable 128 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: for his actions, he went on to engage an even 129 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: more serious conduct, and now he's in federal prison. The 130 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: entire arc of his story can be summed up in 131 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: a single pair of images, I think like a pair 132 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: of Nazi bookends. First, there's Tyler Dikes on August eleventh, 133 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, standing at the base of the statue of 134 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson, holding a torch in his left hand, with 135 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 1: his right arm extended in a Nazi salute. And then 136 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: there's Tyler Dykes again on January sixth, twenty twenty one, 137 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 1: on the steps of the Capitol Building, turning to face 138 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: the mob below after fighting his way up to the doors, 139 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: giving the same salute. A few months ago, Tyler Dykes 140 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 1: was handed a fifty seven month federal sentence for assaulting 141 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: police officers during the January sixth riot at the Capitol 142 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. If you're trying to do some 143 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: math in your head right now, I'll tell you fifty 144 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: seven months is just shy of five years. But a 145 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: federal prison sentence is kind of like a baby in 146 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: that you always measure it in months, not years, and 147 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: only the people who have to deal with the time 148 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: in question feel like that makes any sense at all. 149 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 1: In the sentencing memorandum written by his defense attorney, he's 150 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: just decribed as an impressionable young man. He was just 151 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: twenty one years old when he traveled to Washington, d C. 152 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: With his friends from church. They said he'd been influenced 153 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: by the NonStop media coverage and President Trump's social media 154 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: posts into believing that the election had been stolen. He 155 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: made incredibly poor decisions. His attorney conceded, but he never 156 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: planned to engage in any violence. He was just young 157 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: and impetuous, and he got caught up in the crowd. 158 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: He was a United States Marine. He was a boy scout, 159 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: quite literally. The defense sentencing memo cites his accomplishments as 160 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: an Eagle Scout. He was just a nice young man 161 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: who goes to church every Sunday and runs a small 162 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: IT services company and takes care of his elderly parents. 163 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: How could he possibly be the kind of person who 164 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 1: deserves to go to federal prison for making a little mistake. 165 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: But that wasn't quite the whole picture. Not that those 166 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: things aren't mostly true. They are, but it's a spit 167 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: shined image of a much darker situation. Tyler Dykes was 168 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: indeed a member of the United States Marine Corps. On 169 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 1: January sixth, twenty twenty one, he was a US Marine 170 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,599 Speaker 1: when he wrenched the riot shield from the hands of 171 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 1: a US Capitol police officer and then used that shield 172 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: to force his way through the police line and into 173 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: the Capitol building. And he remained a United States Marine 174 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: until he was given an other than honorable discharge in 175 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. The revelations that unraveled his life came 176 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: out of order. He wasn't identified as a Unite the 177 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 1: Right attendee until twenty twenty two, after he'd already participated 178 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: in the January sixth riot in twenty twenty one. He 179 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: wasn't identified as the man putting swastika stickers around town 180 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty until he was discharged from the Marines 181 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: for it in twenty twenty two, and he wasn't identified 182 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: as a participant in the January sixth riot until July 183 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty three, after he'd been convicted for his 184 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: conduct at Unite the Right. The consequences of his actions 185 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: always seemed to come a little too late, after he'd 186 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: already been emboldened by an apparent lack thereof. At his 187 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: federal sentencing hearing a few months ago, he told the 188 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: judge that he was high on adrenaline during the Capitol 189 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: riot and said, I falsely believed that I would be 190 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: free of consequences. But maybe we should start at the 191 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: beginning rather than the end. In August of twenty seventeen, 192 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: Tyler Dykes was nineteen years old. He'd taken a year 193 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: off after high school and was living at home home 194 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: with his parents in North Carolina that summer after spending 195 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: his gap year abroad in Romania. He'd been accepted to 196 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: Cornell University and would be moving into his dorm at 197 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 1: the end of the month. Just a week before new 198 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: student orientation at Cornell, he took one last trip before 199 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: starting college. He came here to Charlottesville on the evening 200 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: of August eleventh, twenty seventeen. Tyler Dyke stood among the 201 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: hundreds of men who gathered at Nameless Field. It's a 202 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: confusing name, Nameless Field. It isn't nameless. It has a name. 203 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: The name is nameless Field. I wonder what kind of 204 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: who's on first type conversations happened over text message that 205 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: night as the crowd assembled. But there he was in 206 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: the field, down by the tennis courts behind the library, 207 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: and he was handed a torch, and he found a 208 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: place in line, and he marched. He chanted with the 209 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: crowd as this river of flames wound its way through 210 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: the university grounds. Blood and soil, Blood and soil. You 211 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: will not replace us, Jews will not replace us. Fuck off, 212 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: commis this is our town now, they shouted on the 213 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: empty streets as they passed empty buildings. Blood and soil, 214 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: blood and soil, blood and soil. They chanted until they 215 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: could taste the blood in their own mouths from shouting 216 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: themselves hoarse, blood and soil, until they saw blood red. 217 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: When the small group of students at the base of 218 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: the Thomas Jefferson Statue came into view, the streets had 219 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: been empty until the march filled them. The libraries were empty, 220 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: the dorms were empty. The academic and administrative buildings were empty. 221 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: But as the march reached the top of the rotunda steps, 222 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: looking down into the brick plaza below, they knew they 223 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: weren't alone anymore. They knew what they were doing. As 224 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: they came down those steps, each man, torch in hand, 225 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: had a moment. At the top of those stairs, each 226 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: marcher could see from that vantage point the tiny group 227 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: in the plaza below, students, many of them still just teenagers, 228 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: holding a home made banner that read UVA Students Against 229 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: White Supremacy, And in that moment on those steps, each 230 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: of them made the choice to follow the man in 231 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: front of him. As the march wound its way around 232 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:17,959 Speaker 1: the statue, around the students, circling around, arching wide and 233 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: then tightening up, encircling them and closing them in. As 234 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: the ring of fire closed around the statue around those students, 235 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: the violence began almost immediately. Verbal altercations gave way to 236 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: fists shouted epithets were chased through the air by streams 237 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: of pepper spray. A lit torch was swung, making contact 238 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: with a counter protester trying to shield those terrified young people. 239 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 1: I've watched this video a hundred times, a thousand, maybe, 240 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: and I still flinch as the flame arcs towards someone 241 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: that I count among my closest friends. I tell you 242 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: that not to pull at your heart strings. You don't 243 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: need to know that that video still makes my chest 244 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: feel tight. I'm telling you because I want you to know. 245 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: I'm not objective about this. I don't pretend to be. 246 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: I don't want to be. I don't believe in this 247 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: myth of journalistic objectivity. Everybody has a thumb on the 248 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: scale somewhere. Most people just lie about it to you 249 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: or even to themselves. Of course, I have a bias here. 250 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: I live here. I've sat in courtrooms and in coffee shops, 251 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: and on long car rides and on living room couches 252 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 1: with people who are hurt that night. But even if 253 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: I had no connection to these people or to this place, 254 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: no secret that as a researcher of white supremacist violence 255 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: in America, my starting position is always against fascism, against Nazism, 256 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: against violence done in the name of white supremacy. And 257 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: I don't think that's anything to be ashamed of. As 258 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: sociologist and expert on political violence, doctor Peter Seemi, once 259 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: set on the stand, no one is ever surprised to 260 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: find out that a cancer researcher is interested in preventing cancer. 261 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:38,959 Speaker 1: So yes, I have a stake in this, But you 262 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: do too. Maybe you don't know it yet, you don't 263 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: know these people. But I choose to betray my own 264 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: lack of objectivity here to get you to think about yours, 265 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: because I don't think you should be objective about this. 266 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: There is no special prize to be won by being 267 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: the most diligently neutral observer of fascist violence. You and I, listener, 268 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: We are not jurors. We are not ruling on the law. 269 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: We are people who have to live in this world. 270 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: You should feel something you can't shove down when you 271 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: see a man who proudly calls himself a Nazi. Swing 272 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: a flaming torch at someone who is trapped, someone whose 273 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 1: only crime is not wanting hate to go unchallenged in 274 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 1: a public square. And that's where Tyler Diykes was that night, 275 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: right at the center of this melee. As the air 276 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: filled with screams and the burning scent of pepper spray, 277 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: Tyler Diykes was fist fighting anyone he could reach. Videos 278 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 1: showed Dikes was the last one still fighting. He threw 279 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 1: the last punch of the night, even as everyone else 280 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 1: seemed to be coming to their senses. When the counter 281 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: protesters were finally able to escape from the mob, the 282 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: torch marchers took the statue. Several of them climbed the 283 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: plinth and cheered for the victory they'd won. Seeg Kile 284 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: Hail victory they shouted. Video shows Tyler Dikes pacing back 285 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: and forth in front of the statue, right arm extended 286 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: in a Nazi salute. After the deadly rally, the next morning, 287 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: Tyler Diykes went home. He started at Cornell a few 288 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 1: weeks later, but they didn't go well. He dropped out 289 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: after a few months and enlisted in the Marines instead, 290 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: and it seems like that may not have gone well either. 291 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: After a few months of training, he was discharged to 292 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: the Reserves and returned home, which was now South Carolina. 293 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: He started an IT company, calling himself the Technology King 294 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: of the Low Country, and made house calls to help 295 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 1: suburban grandparents set up their Wi Fi routers. And when 296 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: he wasn't troubleshooting a customer's computer or going to church, 297 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: he was hanging Swastika banners from highway overpasses with his 298 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 1: friends in the Southern Sons Active Club, a white supremacist 299 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: organization operating in Georgia and the Carolinas. A regional cell 300 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: of the larger international network of Active Clubs. These Active 301 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: clubs are, to put it succinctly, Nazi fight clubs. They 302 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: were inspired by Robert Rundo's Rise Above movement, the Southern 303 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: California based Nazi street fighting outfit that brawled their way 304 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 1: across the country at right wing political rallies throughout twenty seventeen. 305 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: There's no centralized leadership or organizational structure. Active clubs operate 306 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: regionally and are operationally independent from one another. They share 307 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 1: a love of mixed martial arts. Both as a hobby 308 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: and as training for a coming race war, and engage 309 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: in the kind of propaganda campaigns common among groups like 310 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: Patriot Front, so hanging banners with racist slogans from bridges 311 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: and plastering stickers on street signs and mailboxes around town. 312 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: There are active clubs all over the United States, Canada, 313 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: and Europe, as well as a faltering effort led by 314 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: Thomas Seole to get them going in Australia. Each club 315 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: operates independently, but they network and meet up even across 316 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: national borders, and there is quite a bit of cross 317 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: pollination between the active clubs and other violent white supremacist organizations. 318 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: They tend to be on good terms with groups like 319 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: Patriot Front, and several notable active club members have ties 320 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: to Adam Waffen and Terogram. Andrew Takstov, the New Jersey 321 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: teenager and Terogram collective chat member arrested this summer, was 322 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: a member of an active club cell in New Jersey. 323 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: Active clubs in Finland are involved in paramilitary training of 324 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: Karelian separatist groups that fight alongside the Russian Volunteer Corps, 325 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: the same Nazi paramilitary group in Ukraine that Andrew Takestov 326 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: was on his way to join when he was arrested. 327 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: All that to say, this isn't just guys lifting weights 328 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: together and talking about their love of the white race. 329 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: Active Club members on multiple continents have been arrested for 330 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: acts of violence and for planning acts of terrorism. And 331 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 1: the reason I can tell you with an unusually high 332 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: degree of certainty that Tyler Dykes was a member of 333 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: the Southern Suns Active Club is because of one particular, 334 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: no good, very bad day that he had on March seventeenth, 335 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. You see, Tyler Dykes was indicted by 336 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: a grand jury in Virginia in February of twenty twenty three, 337 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: but he didn't know that nobody did. Grand juries are 338 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: secret things, and his indictment stayed sealed until he was 339 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: taken into custody. And with an out of state warrant, 340 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: you don't just send a local cop down to get him. 341 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: You could, I suppose, but they didn't. The local prosecutor 342 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: where the charge is filed can ask cops in the 343 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: city where they think he lives to go look for him, 344 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 1: but they aren't always super interested in doing. Some out 345 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: of town courts work for them. So oftentimes an out 346 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: of state warrant just sort of sits open, waiting for 347 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: you to step on it, like a rake on the ground. 348 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 1: If you've ever been pulled over, you've seen a cop 349 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: take your license and walk back to his car. He's 350 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: putting your name into a computer, and if you have 351 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: an open warrant, he's going to find it. If you 352 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: cross a border, or go through TSA, or get a 353 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: speeding ticket, or have really almost any kind of interaction 354 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: with a cop, they're going to run your name. And 355 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: in Tyler Dyke's case, he was sitting in an emergency 356 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: room in South Carolina making a police report about a 357 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 1: dog bite. Saint Patrick's Day is a big deal in Savannah, Georgia. 358 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 1: I'm not entirely sure why, and that wasn't a rabbit 359 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: hole I let myself pursue this week, but it is. 360 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,199 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's some particular moment in history where the 361 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: city had an unusually high concentration of irishmen, and the 362 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: only lasting legacy is the nation's second most debaucherous green 363 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: beer soaked parade. I was in Savannah for Saint Patrick's 364 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: Day in two thousand and eight, but there was a 365 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: tornado that weekend and the blackout closed most of the bar, 366 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: so I don't think I got the full experience. And 367 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, the Southern Sun's Active Club had 368 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 1: the brilliant idea that Saint Patrick's Day in Savannah would 369 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 1: be the perfect time and the perfect place to hang 370 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: a Nazi banner from a highway overpass, because all the 371 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: extra traffic in town meant more people would see their message. 372 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 1: Thanks to an Atlanta based anti fascist research collective, we 373 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: have an inside look at the private conversations Dykes and 374 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: his friends had that day as they were going about 375 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: trying to get that banner up. The day didn't start 376 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: off well. The group had some trouble locating a good 377 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: spot for their banner. They weren't the only ones who 378 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: anticipated heavy traffic from tourists heading into town for the holiday. 379 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 1: There were cops nearby several of the locations they'd hoped 380 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: to hit. When they finally found a suitable spot, Tyler 381 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 1: Dikes walked back to his car to get the tools 382 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: they would need to hang the banner, but before he 383 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 1: got back to his car, he encountered someone walking their dogs. 384 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: Diykes claims that he was mauled by three pit bulls, 385 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: but that seems like a bit of an over statement. 386 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: In the infiltrated group chat, he posted a photo of 387 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: a small, but unpleasant looking wound on his left pinky finger. 388 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: I feel like you'd come away with more than a 389 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,479 Speaker 1: two inch cut on your little finger if you were 390 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: truly attacked by even one dog, let alone three pit bulls. 391 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: But we only have Tyler's word on this one. A 392 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: little before six pm, he texted the Southern Son's group 393 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: chat that he was headed to the hospital to have 394 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: his hand looked at. While he was waiting to be 395 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: seen at the hospital, he texted the group chat again 396 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: to let them know that the plan had gone awry 397 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: and unfortunately they hadn't been able to hang any of 398 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: the banners that day, writing quite literally, everything that could 399 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: possibly have gone wrong all happened at exactly the same time. 400 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: Half an hour later, though, something else went very wrong 401 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: for Tyler Dikes, and he texted the group again, I'm 402 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: being arrested by Virginia nuke my account. Dog bites like 403 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: gunshot wounds are something that hospital staff are required to 404 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: report to the authorities. While Tyler Diykes was waiting for 405 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: a doctor to look at his hand. An officer arrived 406 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: to take a police report. And when you talk to 407 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: a cop in some official capacity, he's going to run 408 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: your name. I can't even imagine his surprise when the 409 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: officer informed him that he was a wanted fugitive in 410 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: a state he hadn't visited in years. His hand was fine, 411 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,479 Speaker 1: it seems, and he was taken directly into custody from 412 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: the emergency room that night. It took nearly a month 413 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: to arrange for his extradition back to Virginia, during which 414 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: time he remained in custody. When Tyler Diykes was finally 415 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: transported up to Virginia, his attorney asked for a bond hearing. 416 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: Makes sense. He'd been in custody for a month, and 417 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: it was at that April twenty twenty three bond hearing 418 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: that I first saw Tyler Dikes. At that hearing, Tyler 419 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: Dykes's father, Scott, took the stand to tell the judge 420 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: that if his son was allowed to return home with him, 421 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: he would ensure that his son stayed out of trouble, 422 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: would return for all of his court hearings. And then 423 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: the prosecutor handed Scott Dykes, A few pieces of paper? 424 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: Is that your son? He asked. Scott Dykes was still 425 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: staring down at the paper in his hands when he said, softly, reluctantly, 426 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: it looks like it could be. The pages in his 427 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: hands were printed out stills from security camera footage showing 428 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: a tall, dark haired young man putting up flyers with 429 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: swastikas on them in Sumter, South Carolina. In November of 430 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: twenty twenty. The prosecutor asked Scott Dikes if he knew 431 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: why his son had been discharged from the Marines. He 432 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: didn't know. Tyler had apparently not even told his parents 433 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: that he'd been given an other than honorable discharge. He 434 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: didn't tell his parents that he'd been interviewed by an 435 00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: FBI agent from the Joint Terrorism Task Force in twenty nineteen, 436 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: or that he was a suspect in the case of 437 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: the Sumpter County swastika stickers in twenty twenty. The prosecutor 438 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: didn't ask Scott Dikes where his son was on January sixth, 439 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. Maybe he didn't know. He should have. 440 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: We know now that the FBI had been investigating Dikes's 441 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: involvement in the insurrection since December of twenty twenty one, 442 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: but they may not have shared that information with a 443 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: county prosecutor. It was Dikes's own messages in the chat 444 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: on the day of his arrest that left him in 445 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: jail without bond. After that hearing mere hours before his 446 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: arrest on Saint Patrick's day, he was demonstrating what they 447 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: call consciousness of guilt. That is, behavior that shows you 448 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: knew what you were doing was wrong. His messages show 449 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: that he had attempted to evade police in order to 450 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: find an overpass, which he planned to use tools to 451 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: damage for the purpose of unfurling a racist banner. Then, 452 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: upon learning of his arrest, he demonstrated a willingness to 453 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: destroy evidence, asking other members of the white supremacist group 454 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: to erase his participation, to nuke his account and delete 455 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: the chat so police couldn't read it on his phone 456 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: once it was checked into evidence. In his ruling denying bond, 457 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: the judge told Dikes that day, this court can't believe 458 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: you'll be on good behavior if released from custody. It 459 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: was barely a month later that Tyler Diykes decided to 460 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: plead guilty to the charge of burning an object with 461 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: the intent to intimidate. The judge handed down a sentence 462 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: of five years, the maximum under the statute, but suspended 463 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: all but six months of it. I don't know if 464 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: this is a common practice everywhere, but I see it 465 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: almost all the time here in Virginia. The judge gives 466 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: you a much longer sentence then he actually expects you 467 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: to serve, and you just serve that little bit of 468 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: your sentence, but that suspended portion hangs over you like 469 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: a sort of damocles that will fall if you get 470 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: into any trouble during some set period of good behavior. 471 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: With the time he'd already served before his extradition and 472 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: credit for good behavior, he was scheduled to be released 473 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: in July of twenty twenty three, just four months after 474 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: that terrible day in March. And here's where I wasted 475 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: a whole day of my life. I was curious to 476 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: see Tyler Diyke's walk out of the album Rall Charlesville 477 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 1: Regional Jail. I can't explain now why I felt like 478 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: that might be an interesting or important thing to see, 479 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: and in retrospect it really wouldn't have been. But I 480 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 1: knew his scheduled release date, and I live nearby. I 481 00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: wasn't busy that day, so I thought i'd try. I 482 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: got up early and drove to the jail. I packed 483 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 1: snacks and drinks, and I was prepared to wait around 484 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: for a couple of hours. I talked to a few 485 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: people who'd been booked into ACRJ, and typically you get 486 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:19,879 Speaker 1: released sometime before lunch. But the hours passed and they 487 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:26,280 Speaker 1: kept passing. I finished all the snacks I brought got bored. 488 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 1: It was hot as hell, and I didn't want to 489 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: run my car all day just for the AC so 490 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: I just sat there, sweating, waiting. I watched that damn 491 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: door like a hawk as the hours passed, and then 492 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 1: I got an email. I have all sorts of automated 493 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 1: email alerts set up related to court cases and custody 494 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 1: status of weird little guys all over the country, some 495 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: guys i'd just like to keep track of, or my 496 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 1: right about one day, or I don't know, just nosy. 497 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: So not a day goes by that I don't get 498 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: some notification that somebody's filed emotion, or they're appealing something, 499 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 1: or they've been transferred to another facility. It's always something, 500 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:22,839 Speaker 1: and there it was a custody status change notification. I'd 501 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: been sitting in the jail barking lot for seven hours 502 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,840 Speaker 1: waiting for a man who never did walk out the 503 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: front door. This email is to inform you that Tyler 504 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: Diykes with a fender number one zero six five one six' three, 505 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: three was released from custody On july, seventeenth twenty twenty. 506 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: Three the release reason is other law enforcement, agency other 507 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:58,240 Speaker 1: law enforcement. Agency usually the email says bonded out or sentence, 508 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: served but this one said other law enforcement. Agency that 509 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: means he wasn't released at. All that means some kind 510 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: of cop from somewhere else picked him. Up he never 511 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 1: walked out the front door because he'd been driven out 512 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 1: the side entrance in a nondescript LOOKING suv with A 513 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: Us marshal at the. WHEEL i had to wait until 514 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: the following morning for the federal charging documents to show 515 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 1: up in the, System so it wasn't Until july of 516 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,280 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three THAT i finally knew what THE fbi 517 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: had known for a year and a. Half Tyler dikes 518 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 1: fought his way into The capitol On january, sixth twenty twenty, 519 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:48,879 Speaker 1: one he was charged in a ten count indictment with, 520 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 1: robbery civil, disorder two counts of, assaulting resisting or impeding 521 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 1: an officer with a dangerous, weapon entering or remaining in 522 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,840 Speaker 1: a restricted, building disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted, 523 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: building engaging in physical violence in a restricted, building disorderly 524 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 1: conduct and a capitol, building engaging in physical violence in 525 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 1: a capitol, building and picketing in a capitol. Building he 526 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 1: was released on bond shortly after being transferred into federal, 527 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 1: custody and in addition to the standard rules of pre trial, 528 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 1: release the judge specifically mandated that he have no contact 529 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,839 Speaker 1: with members of The Southern Sons Active club or any 530 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 1: related group while out on, bond and he was ordered 531 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 1: to live at his parents' home and keep to a strict. 532 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 1: Curfew In april of twenty twenty, four he accepted a 533 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 1: plea agreement that dropped eight of the ten charges of the, 534 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: indictment pleading guilty only to the two counts of, assaulting, 535 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:50,360 Speaker 1: resisting or impeding certain, officers and with the dangerous weapon 536 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:57,320 Speaker 1: element dropped with no. Trial some questions about this case 537 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:02,320 Speaker 1: will probably never get. Answered In december of twenty twenty, 538 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 1: one THE fbi received an anonymous tip from someone who 539 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 1: Said dikes told them he had entered the capitol On january. 540 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: Sixth the full text of the tip is printed in 541 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 1: a filing by the. Government the suspect Is Tyler diykes 542 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 1: lives In, Bluffton South. CAROLINA i was With dikes and 543 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 1: we started talking about The january sixth. Attack we had 544 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 1: differing opinions about, it but was. Respectful he then told 545 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 1: me about how he went into the capitol with a 546 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,800 Speaker 1: mask on with the other rioters and started beating up police. 547 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 1: Officers he states he was still in the military at the. 548 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 1: Time he said he has video evidence of him being, 549 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 1: there but he did not show me since we were 550 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 1: in a public. Setting he was there for fund and 551 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 1: wanting to make a. Statement he was there with other 552 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,800 Speaker 1: group of, people but would not state. WHO i believe 553 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,240 Speaker 1: he was telling the truth about, it AND i believe 554 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 1: he needs to be. Investigated the agent assigned to investigate 555 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: the tip confirmed the sources identification Of dikes through typical 556 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: investigative means things like issuing a subpoena to his cell phone, 557 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:16,280 Speaker 1: provider comparing footage from the capitol to the, SUSPECTS dmv 558 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 1: photo and so. On but he had an extra source this, 559 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: time something AN fbi agent doesn't usually have at his 560 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 1: disposal when he investigates an anonymous tip like. This he 561 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 1: already knew What Tyler dikes looked. Like he had Met 562 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:42,120 Speaker 1: Tyler dikes. Before the agent assigned to follow up on 563 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 1: this tip was the one who had Interviewed dikes In 564 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 1: january of twenty nineteen regarding his potential ties to domestic extremist. 565 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:56,760 Speaker 1: Groups no additional information was offered in this affidavit about 566 00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:01,479 Speaker 1: the circumstances that prompted their first, meeting whether any follow 567 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,279 Speaker 1: up investigation was, done or if that investigation was at 568 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,920 Speaker 1: the request of or reported to The Marine, corps or 569 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,880 Speaker 1: even which extremist group THE fbi believed he was involved 570 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 1: in in twenty, nineteen because it couldn't have been The 571 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:22,880 Speaker 1: Southern Sun's Active. Club The Active club network didn't really 572 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,600 Speaker 1: exist that early, on back In january of twenty, nineteen 573 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:31,880 Speaker 1: and The Southern suns chapter certainly. Didn't the agent doesn't 574 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,400 Speaker 1: give me even a crumb to work with, here SO 575 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:41,360 Speaker 1: i don't, know and whatever it was about that wasn't 576 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 1: what led To dykes's discharge from The. Marines the military 577 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 1: records filed in this case are, sealed but references made 578 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,760 Speaker 1: to them specifically cite Those november twenty twenty swastika flyers 579 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,400 Speaker 1: In Sumter, County South carolina as the reason for his. 580 00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:01,839 Speaker 1: Discharge and that's as much creed information as we're likely 581 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,400 Speaker 1: ever going to get about the reason for his removal 582 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 1: from the. Military in a text found on his phone 583 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,359 Speaker 1: after his, Arrest dykes had sent a photo of his 584 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:16,879 Speaker 1: discharged letter to Someone he claimed he was being discharged 585 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:22,640 Speaker 1: quote for being incredibly political with my Fellow marines after 586 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:29,240 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty, election incredibly. Political when he was interviewed 587 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 1: by the probation office for the pre sentenced investigation report 588 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,520 Speaker 1: in his federal criminal, case he. Lied he told the 589 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,759 Speaker 1: probation office that he was asked to leave the military 590 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:45,359 Speaker 1: after not reporting for, drill and that wasn't the only 591 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:50,799 Speaker 1: time he. Lied the government sentencing memorandum also indicates that 592 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,279 Speaker 1: despite his willingness to plead guilty to the charges to 593 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,400 Speaker 1: be honest about his conduct on that, day he was 594 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,280 Speaker 1: not tr truthful in his final interview with federal. Agents 595 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,880 Speaker 1: the terms of his plea agreement required his cooperation with 596 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:11,319 Speaker 1: the ongoing investigation into the events Of january. Sixth part 597 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,440 Speaker 1: of that agreement was a final debrief interview with federal, 598 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 1: agents which was conducted On june twenty, eighth twenty twenty. 599 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:22,719 Speaker 1: Four in that, Interview dykes again told agents that he 600 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,840 Speaker 1: left his home In South carolina mid morning On january 601 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:32,200 Speaker 1: fifth and arrived IN dc that evening sometime after, dark 602 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,320 Speaker 1: but early enough to have dinner with his friends before 603 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,239 Speaker 1: checking into his hotel for the. Night and that's not 604 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,800 Speaker 1: true because his cell phone tells a very different. Story 605 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 1: records obtained From verizon show that his phone was In, Marathon, 606 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:56,000 Speaker 1: florida at three twenty pm On january. Fifth a little 607 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 1: before eight, pm he took a photo with his cell 608 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,440 Speaker 1: phone of a slip printed by An American airlines kiosk 609 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,560 Speaker 1: at The Miami, airport indicating that he would need to 610 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,719 Speaker 1: see a ticket agent for. Assistance his phone pinged again 611 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,920 Speaker 1: an hour outside his home In South carolina at twelve 612 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:20,000 Speaker 1: thirty a. M On january. Sixth no clear conclusion is 613 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:24,640 Speaker 1: drawn in the. Memo the prosecutor doesn't ride out exactly 614 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 1: what he thinks this, means but it appears That dykes 615 00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:34,920 Speaker 1: drove thirteen hundred miles from The Florida keys To, washington D. 616 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:39,480 Speaker 1: C overnight after unsuccessfully trying to board a flight In. 617 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:45,440 Speaker 1: Miami it would be very hard to forget driving for 618 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,840 Speaker 1: twenty hours and then immediately fighting your way inside The 619 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:54,880 Speaker 1: United States capitol even three years after the. Fact that's 620 00:44:55,440 --> 00:45:00,680 Speaker 1: not something you'd, forget is. It it seems far more 621 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,360 Speaker 1: likely that he chose to conceal his activities in the 622 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:10,600 Speaker 1: lead up To january, Sixth but why it seems unlikely 623 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:15,280 Speaker 1: now that THE doj would choose to pursue additional, Charges although, 624 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,080 Speaker 1: remember it is a federal crime to lie to AN fbi, 625 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:23,920 Speaker 1: agent and it obviously wasn't something they cared enough about 626 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,200 Speaker 1: to ask the judge to reject the plea, agreement which 627 00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:31,520 Speaker 1: they could. Have whatever he was hiding about his trip 628 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,000 Speaker 1: To florida the day before the, insurrection he must have 629 00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,479 Speaker 1: felt like it was worth the possibility of a lot 630 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:43,600 Speaker 1: of extra prison time to keep it to. Himself the 631 00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,359 Speaker 1: government sentencing memo also details some of what was found 632 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,400 Speaker 1: On dike's. Phone in The Southern suns group, chat he 633 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:55,840 Speaker 1: used the Name Nocturnal. Wolf the prosecutor who prepared the 634 00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,920 Speaker 1: memo included several examples of materials found on the phone 635 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:04,560 Speaker 1: related to the pseudonym things About. Wolves one of those 636 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,680 Speaker 1: little odds and ends about wolves was the front cover 637 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,600 Speaker 1: of A terogram collective publication called Do it for The, 638 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:20,360 Speaker 1: gram which bears the phrase faceless Lone. Wolf the prosecutor 639 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,440 Speaker 1: makes no mention of the contents of the document or 640 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,520 Speaker 1: the fact that it is a three hundred page manual 641 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:32,320 Speaker 1: on how to commit varying acts of. Terrorism it seems 642 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,640 Speaker 1: he was perhaps unaware that he'd stumbled across a piece 643 00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 1: of Neo nazi terrorist. Propaganda there's no transcript of his 644 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,440 Speaker 1: sentencing filed in the, case but NBC's RYAN. J riley 645 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:50,960 Speaker 1: reported that Quote dykes did not distance himself from extremist, 646 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,160 Speaker 1: ideologies nor did he say he no longer believes the 647 00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:58,319 Speaker 1: former president's lies about the. Election his biggest expression of 648 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,720 Speaker 1: regret seemed to be for his elderly, parents who adopted 649 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,879 Speaker 1: him as a child and who are still providing him 650 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:08,280 Speaker 1: with a monthly. Allowance diykes was given a few months 651 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,400 Speaker 1: to get his affairs in order after being sentenced to 652 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,120 Speaker 1: fifty seven months back In. July the day before he 653 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,560 Speaker 1: was scheduled to turn himself in to begin serving his. 654 00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,719 Speaker 1: Sentence he filed a last minute motion asking for just 655 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,680 Speaker 1: one more. Month the reasons he gave were a series 656 00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,160 Speaker 1: of doctor's appointments that he needed to drive his eighty 657 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:31,319 Speaker 1: six year old father. To the judge was unimpressed By 658 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,440 Speaker 1: dikes's desire to drive his dad to the gastro enrologist 659 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:40,000 Speaker 1: and denied the. Motion he reported to prison last week 660 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,799 Speaker 1: On october, ninth twenty twenty. Four if you don't have 661 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,840 Speaker 1: any disciplinary, issues you typically serve eighty five percent of federal, 662 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,120 Speaker 1: time so he could be released as early As october 663 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:56,520 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty, eight just in time for the next presidential. 664 00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:08,040 Speaker 1: Election Weird Little guys is a production Of Cool Zone 665 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:12,520 Speaker 1: media And. iHeartRadio it's, researched written and recorded by, Me Molly. 666 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,600 Speaker 1: Conger our executive producers Are Sophie lichterman And Robert. Evans 667 00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,080 Speaker 1: the show is edited by the wildly Talented Rory. Gagan 668 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,680 Speaker 1: the theme music was composed By Brad. 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