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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I'm Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist,

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Speaker 2: and speaker.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Sarah hart Hunger, a mother of three, practicing physician,

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Speaker 3: writer and course creator. We are two working parents who

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Speaker 3: love our careers and our families.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about

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Speaker 2: how real women manage work, family, and time for fun.

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Speaker 2: From figuring out childcare to mapping out long.

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Speaker 1: Term career goals.

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Speaker 2: We want you to get the most out of life.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura.

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Speaker 2: This episode is airing toward the end of December twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four. This is going to be our annual year

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Speaker 2: and review episode. Sarah and I are going to be

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Speaker 2: reviewing twenty twenty four. It's been quite a year, of course, Sarah.

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Speaker 2: Where do you as.

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Speaker 1: Your review all this?

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Speaker 2: Like, what were you looking back on to think about

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Speaker 2: how twenty twenty four went for you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So, Actually, I mean the thing that helped me

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Speaker 3: the most was looking at our show notes from last

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Speaker 3: year as well as listening to our episode, which I

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Speaker 3: did on my run this morning. So that helped me

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Speaker 3: to kind of know what I set out to do

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Speaker 3: in terms of goals, and then I also went ahead

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Speaker 3: and went to my photos on my phone and scrolled

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Speaker 3: through to see the various travel and kind of highlights. Interestingly,

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Speaker 3: the Apple Photos app now pulls up trips and like

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Speaker 3: gives you these cute little vignette photos and like shows

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Speaker 3: where you've been. It's not perfect, like it did not

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Speaker 3: somehow know that I went to Philadelphia and that that

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Speaker 3: was a trip. I mean, that was like, that was legit.

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Speaker 1: It was a trip.

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Speaker 3: Just because I saw Laura and had to record an

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Speaker 3: episode doesn't mean that it was you know, work or

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Speaker 3: something anyway. So it's not one hundred percent, but that

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Speaker 3: was a fun way to just kind of scroll through.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was really awesome in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly looking through photo highlights people put on Instagram obviously,

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Speaker 2: and look back through your recent posts there, just sort

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Speaker 2: of thinking back, looking at the calendar. I listen to

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Speaker 2: old episodes as well, look through our show notes for that.

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Speaker 2: But it's good to spend a little bit of time reflecting.

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Speaker 1: On the end of the year, right.

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Speaker 2: I Mean we can sometimes we obviously get excited about

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Speaker 2: setting our goals for the new year, but you know,

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Speaker 2: we want to take a little bit of time to

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Speaker 2: pause and reflect on what happened, what didn't happen, or

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Speaker 2: what went right what went wrong. I mean, that's the

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Speaker 2: whole thing with reflection.

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Speaker 3: Season, right, And when do you do that, Laura.

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Speaker 1: I mean basically to do this episode.

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Speaker 2: Although you know, in the course of the year, I've

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Speaker 2: certainly as I had set goals and then check them

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Speaker 2: the back of my mind that, oh, yes, this is

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Speaker 2: something I'm doing, And you know, you try to savor

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Speaker 2: things as they're happening too. I mean, some things that

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Speaker 2: happen in the course of the year aren't things that

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Speaker 2: those as well as they're happening and leave space in

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I will say during Best Laid Plans Live was

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Speaker 3: But at the same time, I do think, just some

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Speaker 2: And the upside though of doing it in early November

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Speaker 3: Yes, and we won't give any spoilers, but some of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly. But that's we'll get there. We will

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Speaker 2: get there. So highlights, let's start with our highlights of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there were a lot of highlights, and a lot

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Speaker 3: We had one fantastic family trip and one okay family trip.

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Speaker 3: The wonderful one was in Montana going skiing, which I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well certainly if I'm thinking of experiences in

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Speaker 2: I mean, Sarah, we don't want to be our all

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Speaker 3: I added this category because I don't think we included

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Speaker 2: so who knows, Like it doesn't necessarily stop anything, but

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Speaker 2: I've continued to do regular strength training for another year.

441
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 2: I work out with a trainer once a week, and

442
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 2: I now am generally doing at least one more session

443
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 2: a week of repeating the exercises my trainer gave me,

444
00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 2: maybe not quite as intense as he would have done,

445
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,120
Speaker 2: but I at least do most of them.

446
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, yes, I did both of those.

447
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 3: Awesome. Well, it's been fun to see how much fun

448
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,119
Speaker 3: that you have had with bach, Like who knew but

449
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:12,880
Speaker 3: I love it for you. It was great.

450
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was great. It was a great project, all right.

451
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 1: So how about work?

452
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 3: Yeah's work, which, by the way, fun fact, I forgot

453
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Speaker 3: that category when I made the notes for last year

454
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 3: and you were like, what about work anyway? Okay, So

455
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 3: I wanted to work on office efficiency and like the

456
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:35,679
Speaker 3: patient checkout for progress process process, thank you, and I

457
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 3: kind of did in that. I went a step further

458
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 3: worked with my front desk people, and now I don't

459
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 3: do anything. I just put in my instructions and count

460
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 3: on them to do everything. And so far there have

461
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 3: been no catastrophes, so that's it's wonderful. I have streamlined

462
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,439
Speaker 3: the end of my visits quite a bit from the

463
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 3: old days of like printing everything out and running around,

464
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Speaker 3: and that's wonderful. I had Friday lunches on my goals

465
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Speaker 3: list because we were still kind of establishing the habit

466
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Speaker 3: of going out together with work colleagues, not out, but

467
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 3: to the cafetia in the hospital on Fridays, and definitely

468
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 3: that was like a regular thing. Wasn't every Friday, but

469
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 3: it was certainly most Fridays. At least someone sent a

470
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 3: tax saying lunch and then we would go I did

471
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 3: not plan any work social events. That was a fun

472
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:21,439
Speaker 3: idea did not happen. And then for my kind of

473
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,360
Speaker 3: creative work, I wanted to set up a new seasonal

474
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 3: planning series that I called Planning by Season. And yes,

475
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 3: I did that in twenty twenty four. It was really

476
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Speaker 3: really fun actually, in some ways like my favorite program

477
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 3: to do, because I actually get another participants really really

478
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,199
Speaker 3: well because you see them all year long and you

479
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 3: get to be like, Okay, how is that work goal

480
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 3: going that you talked about two months ago? So that's

481
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 3: been a lot of fun and I would call that

482
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Speaker 3: a success. I wanted to reach out to podcasts that

483
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,439
Speaker 3: do interviews where i'd be able to contribute. I may

484
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 3: have pitched like two podcasts in twenty twenty four. That's

485
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 3: not nearly enough. But it's hard. And I even mentioned

486
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 3: it my thing. It's like, h you can get rejected

487
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 3: or it's not even responded to. That's the most common,

488
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 3: by the way. I'm like, come on, just throw me up.

489
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 3: Oh we're so busy, thank you so much, blah blah blah. No,

490
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 3: So maybe I just need to get a thicker skin

491
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 3: and work on that. And I wanted to ruthlessly block

492
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 3: some non clinical days to do my own planning. I

493
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 3: fit in my planning. I did my seasonal planning. I

494
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 3: really need it, like I but it was more like, Okay,

495
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 3: I'm going to do it on Thursday on these two hours,

496
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 3: rather than having like a whole expansive block of time.

497
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Speaker 3: And I just I did a lot of work in

498
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,199
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, like a lot of creative work, a

499
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 3: lot of content, a lot of writing, a lot of stuff.

500
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Speaker 3: We'll talk about it and yeah, oh, I guess wait,

501
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 3: can I are we talking about like what we did? Yeah,

502
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 3: yess we are.

503
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

504
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 3: But I didn't set it as a goalar That's why it's.

505
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: Like, oh no, but that's okay.

506
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,959
Speaker 3: I mean it happened, so I ended up I think

507
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 3: I actually did set it as a goal in our

508
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 3: midyear check in because I was like, I know, I've

509
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 3: talked about this on the podcast, but I wanted to

510
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 3: write a book proposal, and I wanted to write a

511
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 3: best laid plans book essentially, And it did end up happening.

512
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 3: I wrote my proposal, it got accepted. I am still

513
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 3: in the process of finalizing my contract, but I mean,

514
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 3: I'm planning on going forward with it, and I have

515
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 3: working with an editor already finished two thirds of the book,

516
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 3: I mean draft draft, so we're not like done done here,

517
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 3: and the tentative plan is it should be released in

518
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 3: early twenty twenty six and you'll hear more details on that.

519
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 3: But that is a really really big work thing that

520
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 3: came up, and therefore my plans to have lots of

521
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 3: blank space for rumination just didn't work out.

522
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 1: But it's okay.

523
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 2: Well, exactly when great opportunities come, it's it's good to

524
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 2: seize them. So that was a definite highlight for you

525
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 2: because this is something you'd wanted to do for a

526
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 2: long time.

527
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Speaker 3: Yes, many many years. It was on my one hundred

528
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 3: dreams list. It's been kind of percolating around. It's been

529
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,479
Speaker 3: one of those goals that I've wanted to move forward

530
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 3: but then kind of stalled out on many times. So

531
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Speaker 3: it's been incredibly exciting to see it actually come to fruition.

532
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 3: So yeah, I guess that was a very low key

533
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 3: little announcement, but that's not the official announcement because again

534
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 3: have to finalize some stuff. That's the pre announcement, So yay, yay, No.

535
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 2: I love that I love. I can't wait to read

536
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 2: the book. Very excited, very excited about that. Yeah, my well,

537
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 2: I also had book related goals for my year. I

538
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: said I wanted to finish my proposal, get a contract,

539
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 2: and mostly write.

540
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Speaker 1: A new book.

541
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Speaker 2: And I did my new agent and I sold, We

542
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 2: got a it's great to put the announcement as a

543
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 2: two book deal at auction.

544
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: In April, so that was exciting.

545
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 2: I've written five out of eight chapters of my book,

546
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Speaker 2: which will also be out in early twenty twenty six,

547
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 2: so I guess I'll say that I've mostly written at

548
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 2: this point.

549
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: So yay. I had put that I wanted to speak.

550
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 2: Somewhere internationally that did not wind up happening, and I,

551
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 2: you know, put this that I turned down actually a

552
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 2: few things, because it's not that can I go speak

553
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 2: to some group somewhere, is that I wanted to do

554
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 2: it as part of my commercial corporate speaking business. I

555
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 2: still think I will wind up doing this fairly soon,

556
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 2: but a lot of international speaking is also being done virtually,

557
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: like I will speak to the entire global group of

558
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: corporation because they can do that via zoom or by

559
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 2: broadcasting from their American headquarters.

560
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: So it's an interesting time.

561
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: I like to travel internationally, and so I thought that,

562
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 2: you know, this will be a way to do it,

563
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 2: and I will. But it's interesting to see how the

564
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 2: speaking business is sort of evolving over time. So we'll

565
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 2: keep stay tuned on that one. I wanted to keep

566
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 2: writing my sonnets. I guess I put this in my

567
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 2: work category, even though nobody is paying me for my poetry,

568
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 2: so maybe this is more of a personal one. But

569
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: I was writing in twenty twenty three. I also wrote

570
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 2: a sonnet a week at a pace of two lines

571
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 2: a day, so that comes out to fourteen lines a week,

572
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: yam pentameter with a certain rhyming scheme. I enjoyed doing

573
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 2: that in twenty twenty three, so I re upped for

574
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. I wrote fifty two more sonnets by

575
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Speaker 2: the end of the year. I guess when we're recording this,

576
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: I've probably written forty nine or something. But yeah, it's

577
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 2: been a lot of fun, and some are terrible, the

578
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 2: vast majority are middling, And then in the course of

579
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 2: a year of writing them, I get somewhere between five

580
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 2: and ten that I really like. But if you keep

581
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 2: cranking out five to ten poems you really like every year.

582
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 2: In a couple of years you will have a full

583
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: collection of poems that you really like. So hopefully I'll

584
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: do something with that eventually.

585
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 3: Oh, another book of poetry.

586
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: Another Well again, I doubt anyone's going.

587
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 2: To commercially publish my experimental poetry. But the good news

588
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 2: of having built my platform writing about other things is

589
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: I can simply distribute it to a large variety of people,

590
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: possibly get more readers for my poetry than the vast

591
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: majority poetry books. But anyway, so the last one was

592
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 2: vander Hacks that I was saying, I wanted to start

593
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 2: my newsletter through substack. This was the cool thing all

594
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 2: the kids were doing in twenty twenty three is starting

595
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,479
Speaker 2: a substack newsletter, And I figure, what why not? So

596
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 2: I started a daily short tip. It's come to a

597
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 2: system where I have three free posts a week and

598
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: two behind the paywall. I have about four hundred paying

599
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 2: subscribers right now, a little over four thousand total subscribers now.

600
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Speaker 2: So I've built that up and posted every day, and

601
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Speaker 2: you probably we will keep doing that over the course

602
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 2: of the ear It's been a lot of fun.

603
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 3: I have enjoyed lots of them. I'm a paying subscriber.

604
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Speaker 3: I just renewed, by the way, excellent. They're great. I

605
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 3: mean I get inspiration from them, and I know you

606
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 3: really well, so I highly recommend vander Hacks excellent.

607
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: Well, we're going to take one more quick ad break

608
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 2: and then we'll be back with the last part of

609
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Speaker 2: our year in review. Well, we are back with our

610
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four year interview episode. Something of an annual

611
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 2: tradition around here. In seven years of podcasting, you wind

612
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: up with a fair number of annual traditions, kind of

613
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 2: like going to see the Nutcracker or something like that. So, Sarah,

614
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 2: let's talk about your relationship goals and what happened there.

615
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 3: I think I met a lot of them, but I

616
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 3: was not terribly specific about the amount of time I

617
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 3: wanted to spend, so it's a little bit hard to

618
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 3: gauge success. But I did want to carve out more

619
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Speaker 3: one and one time with each family member, and I

620
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 3: feel like I did with Annabelle, I think I did

621
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 3: with Genevieve Cameron somewhat. I mean, the kids' activities sometimes

622
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 3: do lend themselves to having one on one time because

623
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 3: as we split them up and two of them go

624
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 3: to gymnastics and one of them goes to soccer. Somebody's

625
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 3: getting to spend that time without one kid. So I

626
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 3: feel like maybe more last year than prior years, but

627
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 3: still could be a little bit more. I wanted to

628
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 3: do at least one date night a month with Josh.

629
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Speaker 3: I think we did hit that milestone. I wanted to

630
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 3: do two couples trips with him, and I did admit

631
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 3: they might both be marathons, and that did end up happening,

632
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 3: but turns out you can have lots of quality time

633
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 3: even when you're preparing to run a lot of miles.

634
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 3: And then I wanted to see my family in Philadelphia

635
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 3: at least three times, but after the episode aired, I

636
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 3: remember taking a last minute pivot and instead of going

637
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 3: to visit them in January because our January was getting

638
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 3: very full, I ended up going in late December. So

639
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 3: that was kind of like my I only visited in

640
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 3: the two times in twenty twenty four, but that last

641
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 3: trip was supposed to be January, so kind of counts.

642
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 3: Came in November, came in July, and then had come

643
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 3: at the end of twenty twenty three. Yeah, that was it.

644
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 3: From my relationship goals, they were kind of minimal compared

645
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 3: to the others, but I think I did pretty well.

646
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 3: Would give myself a B plus on the one on

647
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Speaker 3: one time.

648
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm always glad that you are resolving to come

649
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 2: to Philadelphia because that means I get to see So

650
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 2: we definitely saw Sarah several times in the course of

651
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 2: her coming to Philadelphia, which is always great. Yeah, So

652
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: my relationship goals for the years, I wanted to prioritize

653
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: teen time, I mean in older kids in general, and

654
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 2: putting that into my schedule. And I'd say that, yes,

655
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: I got a lot of good time with my older kids.

656
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: Obviously.

657
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: I took the older two boys to Spain, as mentioned

658
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: in a highlight in Paris with Ruth also a highlight.

659
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 2: Great to do those things. I took Jasper to New

660
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: York City in June. That was one of his Christmas presents.

661
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 2: Michael took Sam diving on a trip that they went

662
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,239
Speaker 2: for a couple of days in the spring, so they

663
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: got some time together. We did a lot of Starbucks runs,

664
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 2: a lot of driving kids around. I mean, I do

665
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,479
Speaker 2: look for opportunities to sort of linger over dinner when

666
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: we are having family dinner or something close to family dinner.

667
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 2: Often the little boys run off at some point. They

668
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 2: are very difficult to get to stay and the older

669
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 2: kids are pretty good dinner companions at this point, so

670
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 2: we often sit around and chatting, and I enjoy that.

671
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 2: I like to think my relationships with them are reasonably strong,

672
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 2: and I do not take that.

673
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: For granted at all. I'm very glad for that.

674
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: Another goal was to celebrate my twentieth anniversary with Michael.

675
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 2: We celebrated our twentieth wedding anniversary in September, so what

676
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 2: we actually did is we took a trip together to

677
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: Bar Harbor, Maine and Acadia in October, sort of peak

678
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: leaf season. We ran the half marathon together then. It

679
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: was pretty good trip. I mean, the race itself was

680
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: not my favorite. I do not believe I will be

681
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: setting any running goals for twenty twenty five, but we did,

682
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: in fact take that trip to celebrate our anniversary, so

683
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,719
Speaker 2: I guess I would count that as having done that.

684
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 2: I also wanted to just do more regular friends stuff,

685
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: which I guess is a pretty vague goal. Also that

686
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: I could travel to see people, and I think I

687
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 2: did pretty well on this most weeks I do something

688
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 2: friend related. I definitely saw some folks in person that

689
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 2: I enjoyed that I don't live near. I was glad

690
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 2: to see a handful of folks in the course of

691
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 2: the year and various trips. So yeah, I would say

692
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 2: that was a positive. I'd give myself a fairly good

693
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 2: grade on that one. And some of that was just

694
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 2: like things come up, like other people suggest trips, and

695
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 2: it was one reason to leave some space as you're

696
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 2: planning the year. Like a friend from college suggested the

697
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 2: Paris trip, and you know, then I got to spend

698
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: time with her, and you know, also spend time with

699
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 2: Ruth while I was there.

700
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: Some of our.

701
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,919
Speaker 2: Listeners had to get together in New York City in

702
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 2: April that I went to and really enjoyed seeing them

703
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 2: and going to the Botanical Garden there and going out

704
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 2: to eat and all that good stuff.

705
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: You know.

706
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 2: I got together with some friends and work friends in Portland,

707
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 2: Maine and October and enjoyed that, you know.

708
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was a good year.

709
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 3: We did our Philadelphia meetup that year. This year, didn't

710
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 3: we In July twenty twenty three, Oh no, we just

711
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 3: went on a date together.

712
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, okay, we enjoyed that as well. We went

713
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: to a relationships one.

714
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 3: No. I had a flashback to the photo that we

715
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 3: took all together, and I'm like, wasn't that from a

716
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 3: big party? You know, the party was a year before,

717
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 3: but that was the same restaurant. Yes, I like relationship highlight.

718
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, we go to this Mexican place. And I'm always

719
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 2: up for going to this Mexican place with friends. So

720
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: glad we were able to do that too. That was

721
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: a definite highlight this summer of seeing you and Josh

722
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,720
Speaker 2: and getting to do that. All right, Sarah, household goals.

723
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: Let's hear what you have there.

724
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 3: I forced in there against your will, but that's okay,

725
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 3: all right. I wanted to establish a family reading routine. Nope,

726
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 3: didn't at all. I'm sad about that. Actually, that was

727
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 3: such a great goal. I may have to try it again.

728
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 3: I wanted to do more formal family meetings, and I

729
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 3: would say we did get like into a better root

730
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 3: of really reviewing what's coming in the week most Sundays

731
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 3: because I'd complete the board, the board on our the

732
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 3: bullet the like white board in our hallway and it's

733
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 3: right near the dinner table, and it's just like it

734
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 3: was a natural thing. So it kind of evolved that

735
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 3: we would talk about what was coming. And I feel

736
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 3: like we got it to a functional place, so that's great.

737
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 3: I wanted to complete our estate planning, and I had

738
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 3: that on my list for a million years and we

739
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 3: did finish it. Yay, okay, to be fair, like, I

740
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 3: think there's some other like to do items associated with

741
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 3: the planning, but I was reassured by our lawyer. He

742
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 3: said if we did nothing else from here on out,

743
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 3: we would still have our kids dealt with. We would

744
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 3: have avoid probate. Like everything's good, Like everything else is bonus.

745
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 3: So I will call it a check, a big win,

746
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 3: a struggle. This was really on my list for a

747
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 3: lot of years, but I found it emotionally fraught. I

748
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 3: found it really vague, and I'm just glad we were

749
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 3: able to make it happen. And you know, I thought

750
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 3: I had resolved to organize my home, but that's just

751
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 3: every single other year. I must have given myself a

752
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 3: break in twenty twenty four from that.

753
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: So good because it's not yeah, that's I mean, not

754
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 2: setting goals is one way to achieve them, and I

755
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 2: set no household goals, and no goals are easy to hit.

756
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 2: Although I will say I've been enjoying my house this year.

757
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of the projects we did over

758
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 2: the past few years have finished come to fruition. It's

759
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: been fun to see, like the yard, you know, we

760
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 2: decorated for Christmas this year. We got professional decorating with

761
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 2: the lights out in the yard. It has been enjoyable

762
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 2: seeing that I now have five Christmas trees in the house,

763
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 2: only two big ones. The others are smaller, but they

764
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 2: are all decorated, so I get into things like that.

765
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: It wasn't a goal, but it's been a highlight of

766
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: the year real quickly. Another highlight for us has been

767
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 2: our Patreon community. We have really enjoyed getting to know

768
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 2: the people who are part of that. We have great

769
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 2: discussions over on our site. If you're looking for sort

770
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: of an alternative to social media. We often have long

771
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: discussion threads there. We have monthly meetups, our annual goal setting,

772
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: our goal setting workshops. We've had a book club this year.

773
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: We've done a lot of things talking about like meal

774
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: planning or organization. Really enjoyed that. We will be posting

775
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: our curriculum for the upcoming year soon. But two things

776
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 2: that Sarah's indulging me that we will be doing is

777
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 2: in lieu.

778
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: Of sort of a regular book club.

779
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: We were going to do a book club discussion of

780
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty eight Hours in May because that

781
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 2: will be the fifteen year anniversary of one hundred and

782
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 2: sixty eight Hours coming out. And we'll also do a

783
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 2: book club discussion of I Know How She Does It

784
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 2: in June because that will be the tenth anniversary of

785
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 2: that book coming out.

786
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: So if you.

787
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 2: Happen to have read either of those books or we'd

788
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 2: like to and want to discuss that with me and Sarah,

789
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 2: we would welcome that. And of course, you know, our

790
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 2: December Annual Goals Workshop is a great way to test

791
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: out Sarah's course offerings.

792
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 3: Yes, it's been really fun. I do feel like our

793
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 3: Patreon has like gelled a lot this year. Like a

794
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 3: lot of people, I've just seen them frequently comment. I'm

795
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 3: sure there's some people who comment less, but then they

796
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 3: join in the conversation when they feel like it. Our

797
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 3: threads have been a lot of times instigated by people

798
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 3: being like, hey can you crowdsource I need gift ideas

799
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 3: for an eight year old boy, and then we put

800
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 3: it up there and we get so many awesome ideas

801
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 3: in this group, and yet it really does lack the

802
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 3: addictive qualities of social media, at least for me. So

803
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 3: if that is something you're thinking about, like, I don't

804
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 3: want to be doing as much of that. What could

805
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 3: I do instead? That feels more enriching, feels positive. This

806
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 3: is a great place, So we would love to have you. Yeah,

807
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 3: and I'm very excited to finalize our curriculum.

808
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: I love the word parculum. All right.

809
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 3: The question the question all right, we and this one

810
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 3: I think does come from someone who was in Patreon

811
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 3: so amazing. This person asked, what exactly is a house

812
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 3: manager and what's the difference between that and a nanny?

813
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 3: How would you go about finding one?

814
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: Yeah?

815
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: Well, so this is if you think about what is

816
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 2: required to run a household, there are often a lot

817
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 2: of things like grocery shopping or organizing or taking returns back,

818
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 2: or meeting contractors, getting bids on things like especially if

819
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: you're doing any sort of home renovation projects, or you

820
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 2: have appliances that break, or you know, anything along those lines.

821
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: Are just general.

822
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: Upkeep of a space, and it takes a lot of time.

823
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: It takes a lot of work. And when people have

824
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 2: full time childcare, sometimes because that person is home during

825
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: the day, they may be able to handle some of it,

826
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 2: especially if you have kids who are in school for

827
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 2: any amount of hours. So a lot of times what

828
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: happens is like your youngest kid goes to preschool for

829
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: three days a week for four hours a day, and

830
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 2: so it's like you still need full time childcare because

831
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 2: that does not cover your work hours. But the person

832
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 2: has some time then that they could do various things,

833
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 2: and so often what people wind up doing is having

834
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 2: their nanny take on more of this house manager type role.

835
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: But if you are aging out of the time when

836
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 2: you even need childcare, along those lines, you could consider

837
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: hiring someone for a certain number of hours a week

838
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 2: to deal with these sorts of things. So maybe the

839
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 2: person works let's say Wednesdays and Fridays, and so you

840
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: always have them arranged to have contractors or deliveries or

841
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,240
Speaker 2: anything like that happen on Wednesdays and Fridays, and then

842
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: they can do various things like resetting the house or

843
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 2: you know, noticing what you're out of and say, oh,

844
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: well the light bulb up there is out, I will

845
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 2: go fix it. Things like that that you would do

846
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: if you were focused on your home full time, but

847
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: because you are not focused on your home full time.

848
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: You won't.

849
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: And I mean this is the sort of thing that like,

850
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: I mean, people who are like stay at home moms

851
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 2: wind up doing and then when they feel that they

852
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: are not, like people like, well, your kids are in school,

853
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: like what are you actually doing? Like, there's still a

854
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: lot of work to be done, especially you know, for

855
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 2: people who have bigger families or bigger houses even you know,

856
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 2: or things like that.

857
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's what they would do. I would.

858
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 2: As for finding people, I mean, I think it's just

859
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 2: a lot of networking, like anything else, asking other people.

860
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 2: You know, maybe somebody else has somebody who's working two

861
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: days a week and they'd like to work more, and

862
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 2: you know, then you could have them for two days

863
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 2: a week as well, or you know, you could post

864
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 2: on the various places like care dot com or anything

865
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 2: along those lines.

866
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 3: Probably a regular job board too, maybe like indeed or yeah.

867
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah cool, certainly. Or there are agencies, I mean,

868
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 2: there's household staffing agencies. If you wanted to go that

869
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 2: route as well, same as you know with finding a nanny.

870
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: Obviously you can post somewhere like care dot com. You

871
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 2: can go through a large number of agencies that will

872
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 2: help you find people, and so it'd be very similar.

873
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 3: I think one thing you mentioned that I didn't really

874
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Speaker 3: know about house managers with that you could have a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and can certainly make life a little bit

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Speaker 2: more calm when your light bulbs aren't all out so well,

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Speaker 2: I guess this is we're even thinking Love of the Week,

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Speaker 2: but kind of a lot. This has been all Love

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Speaker 2: of the Week again, our year and their VEO home.

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Speaker 2: We love twenty twenty four mostly.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we love twenty twenty four. We love our Patreon members,

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Speaker 3: we love our listeners. Thank you so much for anyone

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Speaker 3: this podcast, but also welcome anyone who joined us new

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four. We're grateful for all of you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we can see that our listenership has gone up

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Speaker 2: a bit in twenty twenty four, so we're excited about

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Speaker 2: that to welcome new peace people to the community.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, you are our love of the week.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, and we will be back next

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Speaker 2: week with more on making work and life fit together.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the

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Speaker 3: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: And you can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com.

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Speaker 2: This has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please

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