WEBVTT - 5. The Delivery

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<v Speaker 1>Murder on Songbird Road is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>Previously on Murder on Songbird Road. We're going to head

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<v Speaker 1>over to hucks now, but there are three hooks in

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<v Speaker 1>the general vicinity.

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<v Speaker 2>Which one did she go to?

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<v Speaker 3>It's going to be the one on the Young Street,

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<v Speaker 3>all right.

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<v Speaker 4>So took us nine minutes fifteen seconds to get here

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<v Speaker 4>catching that light, which we knew. She caught the light

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<v Speaker 4>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>The prosecution contends it would have taken Beverly six to

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<v Speaker 1>seven minutes to make the drive.

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<v Speaker 2>She would have known because.

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<v Speaker 1>You manage a gas station, that would probably be the

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<v Speaker 1>worst possible place if you wanted anonymity. Samples weren't collected

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<v Speaker 1>from Beverly's car until the evening of the murder, after

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<v Speaker 1>it had been moved by someone on the scene and

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<v Speaker 1>not Beverly. Then they go to the dump and find

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<v Speaker 1>three unrelated items.

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<v Speaker 4>When knives are in introduced of any kind an a juror's.

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<v Speaker 2>Mine, the damage is done. In the victim impact statement.

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<v Speaker 1>Darkness the light.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's what I wrote down.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, fucking witch.

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<v Speaker 4>It could be a motive as to why this girl

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<v Speaker 4>was railroaded.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean that kind of shit is frowned upon down here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Lauren Bright Pacheco, and this is murder on Songbird Road.

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<v Speaker 1>Within weeks of her arrest, while being held in Williamson

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<v Speaker 1>County custody awaiting trial, Julia Beverly made a shocking but

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<v Speaker 1>not entirely unexpected discovery. Here's Renee high Tower.

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<v Speaker 3>She found out she was pregnant in jail.

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<v Speaker 6>I was happy for her, but I was hurting for

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<v Speaker 6>her because I knew the situation.

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<v Speaker 3>I knew they wanted another child.

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<v Speaker 1>Beverly and her now estranged former fiancee Mike Beasley had

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<v Speaker 1>been trying for a third child together, hoping for a son.

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<v Speaker 6>Julie has issues with her cervix and she wanted a

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<v Speaker 6>boy with him, so they were trying one last time.

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<v Speaker 6>When all this happened.

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<v Speaker 1>For Beverly, the pregnancy was a light in a sea

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<v Speaker 1>of darkness.

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<v Speaker 3>She wanted to nurture this baby as best she could

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<v Speaker 3>in the situation she was in. But it was it

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<v Speaker 3>was rough.

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<v Speaker 1>It was rough, the best possible blessing at the worst

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<v Speaker 1>possible time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Upon learning her daughter was pregnant, high Tower immediately began

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<v Speaker 1>to petition the courts for a home based pregnancy. While

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<v Speaker 1>awaiting trial.

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<v Speaker 6>We went to get her a bond reduction so she

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<v Speaker 6>can come home with her pregnancy and be around people

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<v Speaker 6>that care about her, people that love her, and people she.

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<v Speaker 1>Loves, and see her children because her bond was set

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<v Speaker 1>for two million dollars.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, yes, two million dollar bond, and we went in

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<v Speaker 6>for a reduction and Judge Green denied it. So her

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<v Speaker 6>attorney said that she was going to try again at

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<v Speaker 6>a later time, and his response was, I know you will.

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<v Speaker 6>So we tried again when she was around eight months pregnant,

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<v Speaker 6>and he denied it again. She even suggested worrying an

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<v Speaker 6>ankle monitor. She wasn't going to go anywhere if she did,

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<v Speaker 6>they would immediately know about it, and he denied it again.

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<v Speaker 6>He gave two different reasons for each time we went.

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<v Speaker 6>One was he was afraid that she was a flight risk,

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<v Speaker 6>and the second one was my mother wouldn't be able

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<v Speaker 6>to defend herself if anything were to happen, because my

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<v Speaker 6>mother was living here as well. He said, my mother

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<v Speaker 6>was on an oxygen machine and she was not capable

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<v Speaker 6>of running away.

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<v Speaker 3>If Julie ever attacked her.

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<v Speaker 6>That my mother wouldn't be able to defend herself if

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<v Speaker 6>Julie got out of control.

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<v Speaker 1>Am I wrong in remembering that there was also some

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<v Speaker 1>issue that your house was too close to a school?

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<v Speaker 3>They brought it up in courts.

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<v Speaker 1>What was the implication that Julie was some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a threat to children in general?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, keep her away from children and elderly. We appealed it,

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<v Speaker 6>and then the appellate court denied.

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<v Speaker 3>It as well and upheld the judge's decision.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep in mind that Julia Beverly had no priors, and

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<v Speaker 1>this was while she was awaiting trial, when she was

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to have been given the presumption of innocence. Renee

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<v Speaker 1>high Tower had immediate concerns about how her daughter was

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<v Speaker 1>being treated after she was taken into custody in Williamson

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<v Speaker 1>County before she even knew she was pregnant.

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<v Speaker 6>I was trying to get a hold of her, and

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<v Speaker 6>the second or third day she was in there, I

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<v Speaker 6>was calling and calling. When I finally did talk to her,

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<v Speaker 6>she said that the correction officers were almost parading her

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<v Speaker 6>charges to everyone in there, saying that she.

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<v Speaker 3>Was child killer.

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<v Speaker 6>And not only that, they said that her father was

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<v Speaker 6>a police officer trying to rile up people in jail

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<v Speaker 6>to do things to her, to harm her.

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<v Speaker 3>MM.

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<v Speaker 1>What would you say were your major concerns after Julie

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<v Speaker 1>was arrested.

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<v Speaker 6>She had told me after she was in there three

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<v Speaker 6>weeks twenty one days, she hadn't taken a shower or

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<v Speaker 6>got the opportunity to brush her teeth at all since

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<v Speaker 6>the time she stepped in there, and for twenty one

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<v Speaker 6>days following. I called called the sheriff, spoke to him directly,

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<v Speaker 6>Benny Vick, and I voiced my complaints and he said, well,

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<v Speaker 6>inmates lie all the time. And I said, well, she

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<v Speaker 6>has no reason to lie about taking a shower or

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<v Speaker 6>brushing her teeth. So I said, do you keep this

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<v Speaker 6>things on record? And he said yeah, and he was

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<v Speaker 6>going to look into it, and he never called me back.

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<v Speaker 6>And then once I got off the phone with him,

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<v Speaker 6>I called her attorney and I told her the same thing,

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<v Speaker 6>and she was beside herself and she said she's going

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<v Speaker 6>to take care of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well. Julie called me the next day and said.

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<v Speaker 6>She finally got her shower and got a semi kind

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<v Speaker 6>of toothbrush to grocer.

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<v Speaker 1>Teeth under what precaution or protocol. Did they justify not

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<v Speaker 1>allowing her to brush her teeth or shower for twenty

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<v Speaker 1>one days, I've.

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<v Speaker 6>Never heard an answer yet, no one returned, and he

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<v Speaker 6>calls to me.

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<v Speaker 3>No one has answered that question, not one person.

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<v Speaker 1>Who do those officers report work directly to the sheriff

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<v Speaker 1>I believe who's now retired.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Beni Vic.

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<v Speaker 6>Your call has been forwarded to an automated voice messaging system.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Lauren Bright Piceco, and I am a

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<v Speaker 1>journalist trying to get in.

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<v Speaker 2>Touch with mister Vic.

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<v Speaker 1>I've reached out to former Williamson County Sheriff Benniveck to

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<v Speaker 1>no avail since March eighteenth, twenty twenty four. I've also

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<v Speaker 1>attempted to contact current Williamson County Sheriff Jeff Diedrich, making

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<v Speaker 1>Freedom of Information Act request for documentation of orders that

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<v Speaker 1>dictated Beverly's treatment while pregnant and during the delivery of

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<v Speaker 1>her son while she was in custody of Williamson County

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<v Speaker 1>awaiting trial. At the date of this recording, I had

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<v Speaker 1>yet to receive a response.

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<v Speaker 6>She wasn't treated like she was an innocent human being

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<v Speaker 6>at all. Is sickening right down to what they were

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<v Speaker 6>giving her to eat. It took her a while to

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<v Speaker 6>get the vitamins that she That was another reasoning.

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<v Speaker 3>For house releas because she had issues with iron, so

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<v Speaker 3>in case she needed an iron infusion.

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<v Speaker 6>She finally started taking the vitamins, but nutrition was not

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<v Speaker 6>there because a lot of the food that they were

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<v Speaker 6>giving her this was during COVID.

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<v Speaker 3>These are the excuses COVID. So a lot of the

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<v Speaker 3>meals were lunch meat.

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<v Speaker 6>This went on for at least three to four months.

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<v Speaker 3>Lunch meat for lunch and dinner.

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<v Speaker 1>That's filled with nitrates.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, eating too much of that and her being pregnant

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<v Speaker 6>can get lysteria. It's just like at every opportunity that

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<v Speaker 6>came to them to degrade her, or belittle her, or even.

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<v Speaker 3>Torture her, they did it.

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<v Speaker 6>It took that opportunity and did whatever they could. There

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<v Speaker 6>were no presumptions of innocence while they were awaiting trial.

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<v Speaker 3>It was none of that.

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<v Speaker 1>None of it especially would seem when it came to

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<v Speaker 1>Beverly's labor and delivery. We'll be right back with Murder

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<v Speaker 1>on Songbird Road. Now back to Murder on Songbird Road.

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<v Speaker 1>In a six page letter, Julie Beverly shared the circumstances

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<v Speaker 1>of her son's birth while in custody of Williamson County.

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<v Speaker 1>I've asked her cousin Niki to read excerpts of that letter.

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<v Speaker 7>July twenty eighth, twenty twenty one was one of the

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<v Speaker 7>best days of my life, and it turned into the

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<v Speaker 7>hardest days. I gave birth to my fourth child, Thomas.

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<v Speaker 7>It was hard birth because a few hours earlier I

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<v Speaker 7>was told for the first time.

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<v Speaker 5>That he would be taken.

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<v Speaker 1>Beverly goes on to explain that she was awoken in

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<v Speaker 1>her cell at ten pm by Williamson County jail nurse

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<v Speaker 1>Marilyn Reynolds, who was accompanied by a corrections officer and

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<v Speaker 1>a police lieutenant. Beverly was in four She was being

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<v Speaker 1>taken to the hospital to be induced.

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<v Speaker 7>When we arrived at the hospital, Marilyn and the corrections

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<v Speaker 7>officer Stocker, stayed in the room with me. Nurses started

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<v Speaker 7>my intake, and at that time they asked if I

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<v Speaker 7>had planned to bottle or breastfeed. I said I wanted

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<v Speaker 7>to breastfeed. While I stayed in the hospital room. Then

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<v Speaker 7>Marilyn Reynolds tells me that the judge ordered Thomas would

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<v Speaker 7>be taken as soon as the umbilical cord was cut.

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<v Speaker 7>I wanted to scream at that moment, I said, no

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<v Speaker 7>one told me this. Her reply was, well, your attorney

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<v Speaker 7>and the judge signed off on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only was Beverly not informed as to the plan

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<v Speaker 1>to immediately seize her son, she was denied access to

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<v Speaker 1>contacting her lawyers or family. Reynolds apparently ordered the phone

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<v Speaker 1>removed from Beverly's hospital room.

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<v Speaker 5>All I could think is I didn't want to be here.

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<v Speaker 7>I wanted to keep him inside until he was ready

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<v Speaker 7>to come out, and I'm ready for him. I didn't

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<v Speaker 7>want to hand him to anyone, and I wanted him

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<v Speaker 7>to stay until the case was resolved so that I

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<v Speaker 7>could take him home. I was not prepared, would never

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<v Speaker 7>be prepared to give Thomas to anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Beverly was forced to give birth with two Williamson County

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<v Speaker 1>Jail employees in her room.

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<v Speaker 7>My only support system was Marilyn and the corrections officer

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<v Speaker 7>stuck her two people I did not want with me.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a person who showed Beverly kindness and compassion

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<v Speaker 1>immediately after Thomas was born, her OBGYN, doctor Andrea Humphrey

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<v Speaker 1>By refusing to immediately cut the umbilical cord.

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<v Speaker 7>Hearing that first cry is always the most amazing feeling.

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<v Speaker 7>He only cried for a few seconds. Once he was

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<v Speaker 7>placed on my chest, he was calm. Then Doctor Humphrey

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<v Speaker 7>did for me the most heartfelt, amazing thing. I will

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<v Speaker 7>never be able to express how appreciative I am for her.

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<v Speaker 7>She gave me the golden hour. It's an hour where

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<v Speaker 7>the umbilical cord stays attached and the mother and child

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<v Speaker 7>are able to bond. She gave me an hour when

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<v Speaker 7>the courts and the corrections officers wanted to give me seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Humphrey also made sure that photos of that hour

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<v Speaker 1>were taken before Beverly's son was taken from her.

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<v Speaker 5>That hour was the best thing ever.

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<v Speaker 7>I got to hold him and kiss him, breastfed him,

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<v Speaker 7>and most important, tell him that I loved him and

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<v Speaker 7>I will forever love him.

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<v Speaker 1>The pictures are heartbreaking. In them, Beverly's face clearly shows

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<v Speaker 1>the strain of having just given birth and the emotional

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<v Speaker 1>weight of balancing her love for her newborn son with

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<v Speaker 1>their inevitable separation.

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<v Speaker 5>Then the dreaded moment came.

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<v Speaker 7>Doctor Humphrey said, it's time it was like Thomas knew

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<v Speaker 7>because he started crying, and of course I immediately started crying,

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<v Speaker 7>and I'm crying now just reliving the moment.

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<v Speaker 5>It broke my heart. I didn't want him to leave.

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<v Speaker 1>When a hospital staff member came in to discuss the

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<v Speaker 1>birth certificate, Julia Beverly endured additional heartbreak, and it involved

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<v Speaker 1>the man she had lived with for nearly eight years

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<v Speaker 1>and already had two other children with, Mike Beasley.

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<v Speaker 7>She said he didn't want to sign the birth certificate

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<v Speaker 7>without a DNA test. It felt like a slap in

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<v Speaker 7>the face. So he basically said he believed that I

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<v Speaker 7>had cheated on him. I had never given him reason

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<v Speaker 7>to believe that he was the love of my life

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<v Speaker 7>and the only person I was with, So my name

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<v Speaker 7>was the only one on the birth certificate.

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<v Speaker 1>Less than twenty four hours after giving birth and still

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<v Speaker 1>bleeding heavily, Beverly was shackled and returned to the Williamson

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<v Speaker 1>County Prison, her breasts painfully swollen with milk, meant for

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<v Speaker 1>the son she has not seen or held since. And

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<v Speaker 1>then came another blow to Beverly.

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<v Speaker 7>I found out later that day that Mike took Thomas

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<v Speaker 7>home before the DNA results came back. I don't know

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<v Speaker 7>why he was able to take him when he wouldn't

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<v Speaker 7>sign the birth certificate.

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<v Speaker 1>As we'll further discuss, the circumstances surrounding Beverly's birth and

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<v Speaker 1>the custody of her son are even more controversial than

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<v Speaker 1>they are cruel. But alone in her cell, Beverly, stripped

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<v Speaker 1>of her newborn, felt powerless and despondent.

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<v Speaker 7>I fell into a deep depression again. It was a

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<v Speaker 7>rough couple of weeks after that.

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<v Speaker 1>Julia Beverly ended her letter with this.

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<v Speaker 5>It's heart going back to these moments.

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<v Speaker 1>Even before reading the letter, the way in which Beverly

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<v Speaker 1>was forced to give birth and the way in which

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<v Speaker 1>her son was taken was hard for her cousin Nikki

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<v Speaker 1>to process.

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<v Speaker 7>It's horrific, it's inhuman. I can't even imagine.

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<v Speaker 3>I was.

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<v Speaker 7>So worried for her leading up to the birth, just

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<v Speaker 7>because I know, having had three kids, everything that takes

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<v Speaker 7>out of you and everything that you go through, it's

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<v Speaker 7>all worth it in the end, because they.

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<v Speaker 5>Are you and they're a part of you. And for

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<v Speaker 5>her to have to do that with.

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<v Speaker 7>Nobody that cared for her, really, to be alone and

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<v Speaker 7>have to do that and then have to leave without him.

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<v Speaker 5>I just can't. It's still it's extremely upsetting.

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<v Speaker 1>Especially if, as Nikki vehemently believes, Julia Beverly was wrongfully

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<v Speaker 1>accused and convicted. Back to Beverly's mother, Renee high Tower,

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<v Speaker 1>how did you find out that your grandson was born?

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<v Speaker 6>My friend? Actually she used to work at the hospital,

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<v Speaker 6>so she called saying that she needed to check on

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<v Speaker 6>Julia Beverly. She got through to the nurses station up

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<v Speaker 6>there and they told her what time she came in,

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<v Speaker 6>and she asked how she was doing, and then she

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<v Speaker 6>called me and told me that she was there. So

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<v Speaker 6>that's how I found out because I wasn't getting calls

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<v Speaker 6>from Julie at all, and I was worried about her.

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<v Speaker 6>And then when I called immediately after, they told me

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<v Speaker 6>she wasn't there.

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<v Speaker 3>And this was within ten fifteen minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>So she's put back in solitary confinement basically when she

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<v Speaker 1>gets back to the jail.

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty much.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and she's not reaching out to you, no, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're probably concerned again, very.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, because I knew this is going to be heart

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<v Speaker 6>wrenching for her not being able to be with her

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<v Speaker 6>baby and the whole situation in its entirety, and she

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<v Speaker 6>didn't call me. I sent a text and I didn't

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<v Speaker 6>get a response from that. So I called the jail

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<v Speaker 6>and I talked to an officer who was a woman,

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<v Speaker 6>and I said, I know she had the baby. I'm

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<v Speaker 6>just checking to see if she's all right. She's not

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<v Speaker 6>calling me, And they said, I guess she's okay. She's

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<v Speaker 6>not in a smock and what does that mean? Meaning

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<v Speaker 6>she's not in a suicidal outfit, So I guess she's

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<v Speaker 6>all right.

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<v Speaker 1>It is of interest to add that I've been given

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<v Speaker 1>portions of Beverly's DCFS case file by an anonymous source.

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<v Speaker 1>For some reason, Beverly, who is half white, is listed

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<v Speaker 1>as black on the reports, yet all four of her children,

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<v Speaker 1>whose fathers are white, are listed as white. Again, Mary

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<v Speaker 1>and Illinois is eighty six percent white. Here's Rene high

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<v Speaker 1>Tower's reaction.

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<v Speaker 2>I have the page.

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<v Speaker 1>It's on page two of fifteen. Julia Beverly adult female,

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<v Speaker 1>black African American, Jade Beasley child female white. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to use the kids' names, but Mike and Julia's

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<v Speaker 1>one year old child is listed as female and white,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jaden is listed as white. Wow, as is the

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<v Speaker 1>eldest daughter that Julia and Mike share white, All the

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<v Speaker 1>kids are white, and just Julie is black.

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<v Speaker 2>How does that happen?

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<v Speaker 3>Get me?

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<v Speaker 1>That view of Beverly as other seems to have also

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<v Speaker 1>impacted the way her entire family was treated even before

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<v Speaker 1>the trial, particularly when Hitower was petitioning to have Beverly

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<v Speaker 1>stay with her during the pregnancy.

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<v Speaker 6>The sad part about one of these things is when

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<v Speaker 6>she was up for that hearing to the appellate court

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<v Speaker 6>for her to be on the house arrest just for

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<v Speaker 6>the birth of her baby, and we were waiting on

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<v Speaker 6>the results for that, and when those results came back,

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<v Speaker 6>they were not given to thene They were not given

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<v Speaker 6>to me, they were not given to Julie. Yet Mike's

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<v Speaker 6>family made a huge post on their Facebook denied in

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<v Speaker 6>all capital.

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<v Speaker 3>Os with explanation points, and that's how we learned. That's

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<v Speaker 3>how we learned.

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<v Speaker 1>There seems to be huge lack of communication, but it

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<v Speaker 1>seems to just be in one direction.

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<v Speaker 8>YEP.

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<v Speaker 1>A quick aside. When this interview was taped in March

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty twenty four, Thomas was nearly three years and

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<v Speaker 1>so when did you first get the chance to meet Thomas.

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<v Speaker 3>I have yet to meet Thomas. I have not met

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<v Speaker 3>him yet.

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<v Speaker 6>I've seen the pictures that Julie got from the hospital,

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<v Speaker 6>and that's all I have.

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<v Speaker 1>Renee High Tower had been denied access to Beverly's three

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<v Speaker 1>youngest children her grandchildren since the arrest.

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<v Speaker 6>Mike is keeping three of Julie's children from me on

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<v Speaker 6>what grounds. He states that he's doing it for the

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<v Speaker 6>protection of his children, and I'm not sure what that means.

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<v Speaker 2>That's one half of their family.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, And this is not something that was done

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<v Speaker 6>later in this case. This was done immediately immediately upon

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<v Speaker 6>Julie's arrest. As soon as she was arrested. It was

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<v Speaker 6>completely cut off. Even when Thomas was born. I reached out,

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<v Speaker 6>you need to help with the baby, let me know.

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<v Speaker 6>I'll help any way I can. Everything goes unanswered.

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<v Speaker 2>That's got to be so painful.

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<v Speaker 3>It is.

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<v Speaker 6>It is very And then I have Jayden here, who

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<v Speaker 6>is missing out on three of his siblings, and he

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<v Speaker 6>comes to see me every other weekend, yet he can't

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<v Speaker 6>see his own siblings. And Mike has a direct line

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<v Speaker 6>to Jaden where he doesn't have to go through me

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<v Speaker 6>or anyone else.

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<v Speaker 3>And he still doesn't maintain contact.

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<v Speaker 6>With him, and Jaden sends text messages all the time

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<v Speaker 6>want to talk to the girls, and those go unanswered.

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<v Speaker 1>High Tower has had no choice but resort to petitioning

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<v Speaker 1>the courts for access to her grandchildren.

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<v Speaker 3>There was always an excuse, like clockwork.

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<v Speaker 6>Every two weeks, I would request to see them, and

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<v Speaker 6>my request would either go unanswered or it would be

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<v Speaker 6>it's not a good time, or I'll let you know.

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<v Speaker 6>And this went on for a year and a half

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<v Speaker 6>and I finally looked into getting a jorney.

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<v Speaker 3>I ended up filing for grandparent visitation.

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<v Speaker 6>Never did I think it would take years.

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<v Speaker 8>You have reached the non emergency line for Williamson County

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<v Speaker 8>Sheriff's Department.

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<v Speaker 3>Get this an emergency.

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<v Speaker 5>Please hang up in down nine to one one.

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<v Speaker 3>Please listen carefully.

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<v Speaker 1>By the fall of twenty twenty four, it's important to

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<v Speaker 1>stress just how unresponsive Williamson County had been to my

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<v Speaker 1>outreach for information pertinent to the case against Julie Beverly.

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<v Speaker 1>This occurred on multiple levels, across multiple branches.

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<v Speaker 8>For Williamson County Jail, Please press one WAYNAMS in King Jail, Hi.

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<v Speaker 1>I please speak with Marilyn Reynolds.

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<v Speaker 5>Just a minute.

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<v Speaker 8>Record your message.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi.

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<v Speaker 1>Ms Reynolds. My name is Lauren Bright pitch Ecko, and

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<v Speaker 1>I am a journalist who is looking into the Julia

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<v Speaker 1>Beverly case. I'm calling because I believe that you were

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<v Speaker 1>the attending on duty when she gave birth to her

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<v Speaker 1>son Thomas on seven twenty eight, twenty one, when she

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<v Speaker 1>was in custody of Williamson County awaiting trial. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>calling because I'm trying to find out where the order

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<v Speaker 1>to remove the infant immediately upon birth came from. Mss

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<v Speaker 1>Beverly contends that you gave the direction, but I cannot

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<v Speaker 1>find any official order, so I'm hoping you can clear

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<v Speaker 1>that up for me, and also who gave the order

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<v Speaker 1>for members of the Department of Correction to be in

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<v Speaker 1>the room while she was giving birth. Again, my name

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<v Speaker 1>is Lauren Bright PACHECKA. After many failed attempts, I finally

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<v Speaker 1>did manage to get Williamson County Jail nurse Marilyn Reynolds

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<v Speaker 1>on the phone. She refused to answer any of my

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<v Speaker 1>questions as to whose order she was working under and

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<v Speaker 1>directed me back to the Williamson County Sheriff's office for information.

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<v Speaker 1>Sheriff ignored more than a dozen of my requests via

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<v Speaker 1>phone and email for information and records pertaining to Julia

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<v Speaker 1>Beverly's case. If you could give me a holler back,

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<v Speaker 1>I am an thank you so much. Out of frustration,

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<v Speaker 1>I contacted the Williamson County State's Attorney, Ted Hampson, who

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<v Speaker 1>replaced the former Williamson County State's Attorney Brandon Zenati, Zanati

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<v Speaker 1>having resigned under somewhat dubious circumstances.

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<v Speaker 9>A former Southern Illinois state's attorney has pleaded guilty to

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<v Speaker 9>a federal fraud charge. Former Williamson County State's Attorney Brendan

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<v Speaker 9>Zanati pled guilty to a charge of false entry inv

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<v Speaker 9>bank records and involves Southern Trust Bank branches in Marion, Vienna,

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<v Speaker 9>and Goreville. That charge carries with it the possibility of

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<v Speaker 9>jail time and a fine.

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<v Speaker 1>In March of twenty twenty four, I started reaching out

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<v Speaker 1>to Justin Mays, the Williamson County Circuit Clerk. After several

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<v Speaker 1>unresponsive weeks, he linked me with an assistant state's attorney,

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry Adams. On thirtieth she forwarded as a quote courtesy

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<v Speaker 1>an amended temporary custody order signed by a judge, claiming

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<v Speaker 1>it provided the information I was seeking, even though there

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<v Speaker 1>was no mention of birthing protocol or the immediate removal

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<v Speaker 1>of Beverly's infant. When pressed as to who initiated those

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<v Speaker 1>specific orders, she responded that Sheriff Binnyvick had retired before

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<v Speaker 1>wishing me quote good luck. Months later, the Williamson County

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<v Speaker 1>circuit clerk who'd linked us justin Mays resigned after being

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<v Speaker 1>caught up in the same real estate and banking scandal

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<v Speaker 1>as former Williamson County State's Attorney Brandon Soanati. Here's Renee

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<v Speaker 1>high Tower's take.

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<v Speaker 6>For a long time, I've heard people complain about Williamson County,

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<v Speaker 6>and I just chalked it up as, oh, my god, Well,

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<v Speaker 6>if you do the right thing, you won't have nothing

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<v Speaker 6>to complain about. I've thought a lot about that, and

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<v Speaker 6>then when my ex husband became a police officer, I

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<v Speaker 6>learned the other side of the law from a police

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<v Speaker 6>officer's perspective, and I never thought about any of the

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<v Speaker 6>corruption or the poor judgment and the poor behavior of

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<v Speaker 6>some of these officers until this happened. To Julie, I

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<v Speaker 6>never seen this side until I was in it. I

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<v Speaker 6>have not ever seen this level of corruption anywhere in

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<v Speaker 6>my life anywhere, from the lying and the cover ups,

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<v Speaker 6>and it's just drip, drip, drip in the bucket. We've

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<v Speaker 6>got full bucket and it's still going. It's unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>Because of the ongoing lack of response to my Freedom

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<v Speaker 1>of Information Act requests, I eventually contacted the Attorney General's

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<v Speaker 1>Office of Illinois. But federal investigations, scandals, and retirements aside,

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<v Speaker 1>Why would Williamson County be so reluctant to provide transparency

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<v Speaker 1>regarding Beverly's pregnancy, delivery and the immediate removal of her

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<v Speaker 1>son while in their Custoday, my name is.

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<v Speaker 8>Emily Worth, and I am a senior staff attorney at

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<v Speaker 8>the ACLU of Illinois.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the American Civil Liberties Union, Illinois state law

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<v Speaker 1>is quite clear as to the reproductive rights of incarcerated individuals.

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<v Speaker 8>Reproductive rights in the context of incarceration should mean the

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<v Speaker 8>same things as reproductive rights in any context, which is

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<v Speaker 8>the right to make your own autonomous decisions about reproductive healthcare,

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<v Speaker 8>whether that's contraception, abortion, prenatal care care during labor and delivery.

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<v Speaker 8>It's really about having bodily autonomy when it comes to

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<v Speaker 8>making those decisions.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you give me just a general overview of reproductive

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<v Speaker 1>rights while incarcerated in Illinois.

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<v Speaker 8>Within Illinois, we have a state law called the Reproductive

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<v Speaker 8>Health Act that sets standards for everyone in the state

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<v Speaker 8>to have basic reproductive rights. And the Reproductive Health Act

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<v Speaker 8>does apply to anyone who's in the custody of a

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<v Speaker 8>county jail. So within the state of Illinois, the reproductive

0:27:20.600 --> 0:27:23.040
<v Speaker 8>rights that you have do not vary from county county.

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<v Speaker 8>Everyone in Illinois is guaranteed the same reproductive rights by

0:27:26.600 --> 0:27:29.359
<v Speaker 8>the Reproductive Health Act. We also have a number of

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<v Speaker 8>additional specific laws here in Illinois that deal with particular

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<v Speaker 8>issues related to pregnancy care while someone is incarcerated in

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<v Speaker 8>prison or jail, relating to things like the use of

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<v Speaker 8>solitary confinements, the use of restraints during pregnancy and postpartum,

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<v Speaker 8>and other issues unique to someone who is experiencing pregnancy

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<v Speaker 8>or has recently given birth.

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<v Speaker 1>What are those rights specifically in terms of prenatal care, So.

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<v Speaker 8>Someone who is pregnant while incarcerated in Illinois has a

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<v Speaker 8>right to receive adequate prenatal care that ensures that they

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<v Speaker 8>have healthy pregnancy. They have the right to make their

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<v Speaker 8>own decisions about whether to continue that pregnancy or to

0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:18.600
<v Speaker 8>obtain an abortion. If they do continue the pregnancy. They

0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:21.639
<v Speaker 8>have their right to make decisions about how they give birth,

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<v Speaker 8>for example, whether or not to have an epidural, whether

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<v Speaker 8>or not to have a c section, whether or not

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<v Speaker 8>to be induced. They have those rights to make those decisions.

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<v Speaker 1>In terms of the specific amount of time that an

0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:39.560
<v Speaker 1>incarcerated person is allowed to stay with their newborn in Illinois,

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<v Speaker 1>are their laws around that time frame or window.

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<v Speaker 8>The current law is that someone who's incarcerated has a

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<v Speaker 8>right to have their baby stay with them for seventy

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<v Speaker 8>two hours after giving birth, unless the doctor says that

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<v Speaker 8>that isn't safe. That became the law on July first

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<v Speaker 8>of twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>Got it, and so it's the doctor's call, basically, not

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<v Speaker 1>a judge or a correctional facility nurse.

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<v Speaker 8>That's correct. The law says that the determination is to

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<v Speaker 8>be made by a medical professional. The law became effective

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<v Speaker 8>July first, twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>A point of note, Julia Beverly's son Thomas was born

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<v Speaker 1>July twenty eighth, twenty twenty one, nearly a full month

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<v Speaker 1>after that law went into effect. We did talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the seventy two hour window that the incarcerated individual is

0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:43.320
<v Speaker 1>entitled to spend with their newborn, but we didn't talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the rights specifically during delivery and birth.

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<v Speaker 8>So during labor and delivery there should be no shackles

0:29:54.120 --> 0:30:01.040
<v Speaker 8>whatsoever used on an incarcerated person, and any correct staffs

0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:05.640
<v Speaker 8>that are at the hospital should be posted outside the

0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:06.440
<v Speaker 8>delivery room.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, was that a change that was made at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time that the seventy two hours was.

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<v Speaker 5>I believe that.

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<v Speaker 8>Change was made earlier. That was the law even prior

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<v Speaker 8>to twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>What recourse does an individual in Illinois specifically have if

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<v Speaker 1>they believe their reproductive rights were violated while they were incarcerated?

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<v Speaker 8>This Reproductive Health Act includes a right of action, include

0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:38.360
<v Speaker 8>the right to sue the government if you believe that

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<v Speaker 8>your reproductive rights have been violated.

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<v Speaker 1>Murder on Songbird Road will continue after this. Here again

0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 1>is Murder on Songbird Road. In April of twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 1>I visited Beverly in the Illinois facility she was transferred

0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:06.800
<v Speaker 1>to after her sentencing. I flew into Chicago and drove

0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:11.480
<v Speaker 1>a rental car two and a half hours south to Lincoln, Illinois. Afterwards,

0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:15.120
<v Speaker 1>I connected with Bob Mada. It was really interesting the

0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:21.640
<v Speaker 1>difference between the women's facility and the men's facilities that

0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:26.200
<v Speaker 1>I've been in. Yeah, I mean right away, it's sprawled

0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:30.960
<v Speaker 1>out so Originally it was built as a home for

0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:34.640
<v Speaker 1>women who didn't want to keep their children, and I

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:37.320
<v Speaker 1>guess they'd give birth and then give the children.

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<v Speaker 2>Up for adoption.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's nothing but just cornfields, basically just farmland, and

0:31:46.000 --> 0:31:51.120
<v Speaker 1>then this brick structure that's all sprawled out in little houses.

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<v Speaker 1>You almost get the feeling that it's a religious retreat

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<v Speaker 1>or some kind of school.

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<v Speaker 4>Even if that's the vibe, we know that what it is,

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:01.320
<v Speaker 4>that's for sure.

0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:06.280
<v Speaker 1>I was the only visitor who signed up for the

0:32:06.360 --> 0:32:09.360
<v Speaker 1>four thirty to eight thirty time slot.

0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:12.800
<v Speaker 2>Really, so once I went.

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<v Speaker 1>Through, and of course they pat you down and you

0:32:15.680 --> 0:32:20.920
<v Speaker 1>had to declare every piece of metal on your body,

0:32:21.640 --> 0:32:28.360
<v Speaker 1>and then they led me through to another building where

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<v Speaker 1>Julie was just sitting by herself. The first thing that

0:32:33.320 --> 0:32:37.000
<v Speaker 1>I was taken aback by was her size.

0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:38.080
<v Speaker 3>She is so.

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<v Speaker 2>Tiny, she's tiny, tiny.

0:32:43.280 --> 0:32:47.640
<v Speaker 1>And also she was so pale, and I mentioned that

0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:52.480
<v Speaker 1>because she doesn't look like her mugshot. That's the thing

0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:57.320
<v Speaker 1>that she hears most often people don't recognize her from

0:32:57.520 --> 0:33:02.200
<v Speaker 1>her mugshot because the mugshot really almost looks like it's

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<v Speaker 1>in black and white. It is a darker version of Julie,

0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:14.920
<v Speaker 1>which I find interesting because of the layers that race plays.

0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:18.400
<v Speaker 1>In this case particularly, it's almost as if they wanted

0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:24.040
<v Speaker 1>to magnify the half black side of her. So I

0:33:24.040 --> 0:33:26.840
<v Speaker 1>don't know if there was some tampering at work in

0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:31.560
<v Speaker 1>terms of that photo. But then I think about that

0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:37.160
<v Speaker 1>press conference that Zenati, the then state's attorney, when he

0:33:37.160 --> 0:33:41.080
<v Speaker 1>held up the photo of Julie, because he announced the

0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:44.480
<v Speaker 1>murder and her arrest during the same press conference, and

0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:46.719
<v Speaker 1>then he held up this picture of Jade that is

0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:52.520
<v Speaker 1>dated at this point, but very very vibrant, and you

0:33:52.560 --> 0:33:55.320
<v Speaker 1>see the blonde hair, and you see pink as her

0:33:55.400 --> 0:33:59.719
<v Speaker 1>favorite color everywhere in that photo, and the juxtaposition with

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:04.440
<v Speaker 1>a dark, grainy grayness of the black and white feel

0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Julie's mugshot is just jarring.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, I mean in terms of the picture of Jade,

0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:17.480
<v Speaker 4>it's completely a misrepresentation of what she looked like at

0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:19.400
<v Speaker 4>the time that the crime occurred.

0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:22.560
<v Speaker 5>I mean, she was a big kid.

0:34:23.000 --> 0:34:26.160
<v Speaker 4>When I first laid eyes on a photograph of Jade,

0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:28.960
<v Speaker 4>I never in a million years would have thought that

0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:30.120
<v Speaker 4>she was eleven years old.

0:34:30.760 --> 0:34:31.200
<v Speaker 3>No way.

0:34:32.040 --> 0:34:36.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she looked older in her physicality. Also the size difference.

0:34:37.320 --> 0:34:45.440
<v Speaker 1>I am closer to Jade's size almost exactly, and I

0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:51.799
<v Speaker 1>towered over Julie, towered over her. And if she and

0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:56.640
<v Speaker 1>I were to get into a physical interaction, my size

0:34:56.680 --> 0:34:58.320
<v Speaker 1>would be such an advantage.

0:34:58.719 --> 0:35:01.960
<v Speaker 2>I doubt Julie could pay me. I seriously doubt it.

0:35:02.480 --> 0:35:05.799
<v Speaker 1>And there was something else we'll return to later in

0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:10.400
<v Speaker 1>greater detail, that knife wielding masked man Beverly claims to

0:35:10.400 --> 0:35:14.440
<v Speaker 1>have encountered. She placed his height at only five six

0:35:14.719 --> 0:35:18.839
<v Speaker 1>or so. If he was an imaginary boogeyman Beverly had

0:35:18.880 --> 0:35:22.480
<v Speaker 1>concocted to feign innocence, why wouldn't she have claimed he

0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:25.640
<v Speaker 1>was more physically imposing. Why make up a man who's

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:30.239
<v Speaker 1>several inches shorter than the average American male. But back

0:35:30.280 --> 0:35:33.680
<v Speaker 1>to issues with Beverly's birth, which I discussed with Bob

0:35:33.880 --> 0:35:37.760
<v Speaker 1>and his wife, Alison, who is also a criminal defense attorney.

0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:44.400
<v Speaker 1>So Beverly was at the hospital when the jail nurse

0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:48.000
<v Speaker 1>informed her that she would not be able to keep

0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:51.120
<v Speaker 1>the baby at all. Right before that, give up her

0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:55.040
<v Speaker 1>parental rights. I mean no, no, no, there's a temporary order.

0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:59.000
<v Speaker 1>I have a copy of that. It was temporary for Mike.

0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:04.560
<v Speaker 1>But never did she waive her her parental rights or custody.

0:36:05.239 --> 0:36:06.400
<v Speaker 5>She's not getting visitation.

0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:11.080
<v Speaker 1>No, she's not seen any of her children since her arrest.

0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:14.680
<v Speaker 5>She didn't seen any of her kids since the arrest.

0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Mike's not bringing them Beverly's family, so her mother and

0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:23.399
<v Speaker 1>siblings have had no access.

0:36:23.760 --> 0:36:26.560
<v Speaker 4>Julie's mom, the grandmother, is not even seeing the kids

0:36:26.600 --> 0:36:26.920
<v Speaker 4>at all.

0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:29.800
<v Speaker 6>Now she can pick the kids up and bring onto

0:36:29.840 --> 0:36:30.280
<v Speaker 6>the mom.

0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:32.320
<v Speaker 5>But I guess dad's letting her.

0:36:32.200 --> 0:36:35.520
<v Speaker 1>Right, No, no, no, not letting her. They have no access.

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:39.400
<v Speaker 1>She's never met Thomas. Julia had lost all access to

0:36:39.440 --> 0:36:42.239
<v Speaker 1>the children she shares with Mike Beasley as well, even

0:36:42.280 --> 0:36:45.800
<v Speaker 1>as Mike's new girlfriend, a stranger to Beverly and her family,

0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:48.799
<v Speaker 1>was on social media posting about them as if they

0:36:48.840 --> 0:36:49.399
<v Speaker 1>were her own.

0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:50.720
<v Speaker 2>Even though I'm.

0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:54.359
<v Speaker 1>Waiting on more Freedom of Information Act requests, I don't

0:36:54.400 --> 0:36:58.640
<v Speaker 1>think that anyone involved had proper authority to remove Beverly's

0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:02.200
<v Speaker 1>infant or hand him off to someone who had refused

0:37:02.200 --> 0:37:05.600
<v Speaker 1>to sign the birth certificate. And I don't think that

0:37:05.680 --> 0:37:13.200
<v Speaker 1>Beverly's treatment in Williamson County is exactly an anomaly. A

0:37:13.440 --> 0:37:17.920
<v Speaker 1>simple Google search would reveal multiple suits brought by former

0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:23.120
<v Speaker 1>detainees naming Williamson County jail nurse Marilyn Reynolds as a defendant.

0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:26.640
<v Speaker 1>Whose authority was she acting upon when she removed that

0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:31.279
<v Speaker 1>baby immediately after birth? It would have had to have

0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:34.719
<v Speaker 1>been with the oversight of the then sheriff vic who

0:37:34.800 --> 0:37:38.880
<v Speaker 1>was also named in tons of these other lawsuits in

0:37:38.880 --> 0:37:40.320
<v Speaker 1>addition to the nurse.

0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:41.720
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that makes sense.

0:37:42.200 --> 0:37:45.759
<v Speaker 1>There are also multiple suits naming former Sheriff Benny Vick

0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:49.919
<v Speaker 1>as a defendant, many of which include Williamson County Jail

0:37:50.000 --> 0:37:54.440
<v Speaker 1>nurse Marilyn Reynolds. And then you've got the tons of

0:37:54.520 --> 0:37:58.960
<v Speaker 1>people who've retired or resigned since Beverly's arrest, the former sheriff,

0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:02.399
<v Speaker 1>the former lead investor stigator, the former state's attorney, And

0:38:03.040 --> 0:38:06.040
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of as if accountability left with them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for sure.

0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:11.040
<v Speaker 1>It was just another in the many troubling patterns that

0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:16.440
<v Speaker 1>our investigations seemed to be unearthing. It is this vilification

0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:20.480
<v Speaker 1>not only of Julie, but her entire family, because Julie's

0:38:20.680 --> 0:38:24.320
<v Speaker 1>entire family has been kept from the children, not just Julie,

0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:25.560
<v Speaker 1>which is crazy.

0:38:25.920 --> 0:38:28.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it played itself out in the way that the

0:38:28.920 --> 0:38:31.399
<v Speaker 4>trial was conducted. It played itself out in the way

0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:34.799
<v Speaker 4>that the investigation, or lack thereof, was conducted. I mean,

0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:37.440
<v Speaker 4>this was a classic case of tunnel vision.

0:38:37.880 --> 0:38:41.600
<v Speaker 1>And I mean Beverly and her supporters do claim that

0:38:42.120 --> 0:38:45.840
<v Speaker 1>only evidence that could incriminate her was presented or tested,

0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:49.640
<v Speaker 1>from DNA to things like cell phones and electronics found

0:38:49.680 --> 0:38:50.640
<v Speaker 1>at the crime scene.

0:38:51.080 --> 0:38:52.680
<v Speaker 3>There's no doubt about it.

0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:56.360
<v Speaker 4>I mean, as soon as we can get an appellet

0:38:56.400 --> 0:38:59.480
<v Speaker 4>lawyer that's going to dig into the investigation that didn't

0:38:59.480 --> 0:39:02.719
<v Speaker 4>take place with the things that they didn't do that

0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:07.520
<v Speaker 4>are inexplicable in terms of devices that weren't looked at DNA,

0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:11.240
<v Speaker 4>that wasn't tested. I still, as a figure today, cannot

0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:16.000
<v Speaker 4>believe that all of Jade's devices were not forensically examined.

0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:20.040
<v Speaker 4>If I cannot believe that that's true at.

0:39:19.880 --> 0:39:23.080
<v Speaker 1>This point, it was our understanding that while the phone

0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:26.000
<v Speaker 1>belonging to Julia Beverly was searched and tracked to build

0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:29.680
<v Speaker 1>a timeline of her movements. None of Jade's electronics, not

0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:34.919
<v Speaker 1>her cell phone, chromebook, laptop, or gaming device were subjected

0:39:35.040 --> 0:39:36.440
<v Speaker 1>to a forensic search.

0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:37.600
<v Speaker 5>Why is this.

0:39:37.600 --> 0:39:41.640
<v Speaker 1>Important because if there was any activity on any of

0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:44.960
<v Speaker 1>them after the forty five minute window during which the

0:39:45.000 --> 0:39:50.640
<v Speaker 1>prosecution contends Beverly brutally murdered Jade Beasley, Beverly's innocence would

0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:55.400
<v Speaker 1>be more than arguable. That could have been potentially exculpatory

0:39:55.560 --> 0:39:59.799
<v Speaker 1>evidence because if it showed that Julie was at the

0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:05.759
<v Speaker 1>station at the exact time Jade was texting. Agreed, but

0:40:06.280 --> 0:40:09.800
<v Speaker 1>we needed access to the investigation reports and the trial

0:40:09.880 --> 0:40:11.160
<v Speaker 1>transcripts to prove it.

0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:13.000
<v Speaker 5>I want to get the transcripts.

0:40:13.040 --> 0:40:16.120
<v Speaker 4>It's very frustrating not being able to get our.

0:40:15.960 --> 0:40:16.880
<v Speaker 5>Hands on things.

0:40:17.280 --> 0:40:21.480
<v Speaker 1>We can get the trial transcripts from Julie. I couldn't

0:40:21.480 --> 0:40:24.680
<v Speaker 1>because I wasn't there on a legal visit, but you could.

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<v Speaker 1>On the next Murder on Songbird Road, Mike Beasley's family

0:40:29.840 --> 0:40:31.880
<v Speaker 1>shares their take on Julia Beverly.

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<v Speaker 7>That is where we believe the jealousy came in and

0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:36.560
<v Speaker 7>where we believe she saved.

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<v Speaker 1>Allegations of witchcraft are made.

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<v Speaker 7>Going online and making us a faceless cope because of

0:40:43.760 --> 0:40:46.439
<v Speaker 7>the way that she was markeered in trying to make

0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:48.239
<v Speaker 7>that insinuation just to hear.

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<v Speaker 1>The plot, and I had to Salem, Massachusetts to confront

0:40:51.920 --> 0:40:55.440
<v Speaker 1>the root of the accusations. So people down there associate

0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:58.840
<v Speaker 1>witchcraft with something evil, so they're trying to associate evil

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