1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: Murder on Songbird Road is a production of iHeart Podcasts. 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: Previously on Murder on Songbird Road. We're going to head 3 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: over to hucks now, but there are three hooks in 4 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: the general vicinity. 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 2: Which one did she go to? 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 3: It's going to be the one on the Young Street, 7 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 3: all right. 8 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 4: So took us nine minutes fifteen seconds to get here 9 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 4: catching that light, which we knew. She caught the light 10 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 4: as well. 11 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: The prosecution contends it would have taken Beverly six to 12 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: seven minutes to make the drive. 13 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 2: She would have known because. 14 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: You manage a gas station, that would probably be the 15 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: worst possible place if you wanted anonymity. Samples weren't collected 16 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: from Beverly's car until the evening of the murder, after 17 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: it had been moved by someone on the scene and 18 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: not Beverly. Then they go to the dump and find 19 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,959 Speaker 1: three unrelated items. 20 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 4: When knives are in introduced of any kind an a juror's. 21 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,839 Speaker 2: Mine, the damage is done. In the victim impact statement. 22 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: Darkness the light. 23 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 2: Oh that's what I wrote down. 24 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, fucking witch. 25 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 4: It could be a motive as to why this girl 26 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 4: was railroaded. 27 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. 28 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 5: I mean that kind of shit is frowned upon down here. 29 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: I'm Lauren Bright Pacheco, and this is murder on Songbird Road. 30 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: Within weeks of her arrest, while being held in Williamson 31 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: County custody awaiting trial, Julia Beverly made a shocking but 32 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: not entirely unexpected discovery. Here's Renee high Tower. 33 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 3: She found out she was pregnant in jail. 34 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 6: I was happy for her, but I was hurting for 35 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 6: her because I knew the situation. 36 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 3: I knew they wanted another child. 37 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: Beverly and her now estranged former fiancee Mike Beasley had 38 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: been trying for a third child together, hoping for a son. 39 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 6: Julie has issues with her cervix and she wanted a 40 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 6: boy with him, so they were trying one last time. 41 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 6: When all this happened. 42 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: For Beverly, the pregnancy was a light in a sea 43 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: of darkness. 44 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 3: She wanted to nurture this baby as best she could 45 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 3: in the situation she was in. But it was it 46 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 3: was rough. 47 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: It was rough, the best possible blessing at the worst 48 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: possible time. 49 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. 50 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: Upon learning her daughter was pregnant, high Tower immediately began 51 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: to petition the courts for a home based pregnancy. While 52 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: awaiting trial. 53 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 6: We went to get her a bond reduction so she 54 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 6: can come home with her pregnancy and be around people 55 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 6: that care about her, people that love her, and people she. 56 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: Loves, and see her children because her bond was set 57 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: for two million dollars. 58 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 6: Yes, yes, two million dollar bond, and we went in 59 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 6: for a reduction and Judge Green denied it. So her 60 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 6: attorney said that she was going to try again at 61 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 6: a later time, and his response was, I know you will. 62 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:38,119 Speaker 6: So we tried again when she was around eight months pregnant, 63 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 6: and he denied it again. She even suggested worrying an 64 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 6: ankle monitor. She wasn't going to go anywhere if she did, 65 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 6: they would immediately know about it, and he denied it again. 66 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 6: He gave two different reasons for each time we went. 67 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 6: One was he was afraid that she was a flight risk, 68 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 6: and the second one was my mother wouldn't be able 69 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 6: to defend herself if anything were to happen, because my 70 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 6: mother was living here as well. He said, my mother 71 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 6: was on an oxygen machine and she was not capable 72 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 6: of running away. 73 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 3: If Julie ever attacked her. 74 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 6: That my mother wouldn't be able to defend herself if 75 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 6: Julie got out of control. 76 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: Am I wrong in remembering that there was also some 77 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: issue that your house was too close to a school? 78 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 3: They brought it up in courts. 79 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: What was the implication that Julie was some kind of 80 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: a threat to children in general? 81 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 6: Yes, keep her away from children and elderly. We appealed it, 82 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 6: and then the appellate court denied. 83 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 3: It as well and upheld the judge's decision. 84 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: Keep in mind that Julia Beverly had no priors, and 85 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: this was while she was awaiting trial, when she was 86 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: supposed to have been given the presumption of innocence. Renee 87 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: high Tower had immediate concerns about how her daughter was 88 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: being treated after she was taken into custody in Williamson 89 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: County before she even knew she was pregnant. 90 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 6: I was trying to get a hold of her, and 91 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 6: the second or third day she was in there, I 92 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 6: was calling and calling. When I finally did talk to her, 93 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 6: she said that the correction officers were almost parading her 94 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 6: charges to everyone in there, saying that she. 95 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 3: Was child killer. 96 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 6: And not only that, they said that her father was 97 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 6: a police officer trying to rile up people in jail 98 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 6: to do things to her, to harm her. 99 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 3: MM. 100 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: What would you say were your major concerns after Julie 101 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: was arrested. 102 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 6: She had told me after she was in there three 103 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 6: weeks twenty one days, she hadn't taken a shower or 104 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 6: got the opportunity to brush her teeth at all since 105 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 6: the time she stepped in there, and for twenty one 106 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 6: days following. I called called the sheriff, spoke to him directly, 107 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 6: Benny Vick, and I voiced my complaints and he said, well, 108 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 6: inmates lie all the time. And I said, well, she 109 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 6: has no reason to lie about taking a shower or 110 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 6: brushing her teeth. So I said, do you keep this 111 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 6: things on record? And he said yeah, and he was 112 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 6: going to look into it, and he never called me back. 113 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 6: And then once I got off the phone with him, 114 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 6: I called her attorney and I told her the same thing, 115 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 6: and she was beside herself and she said she's going 116 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 6: to take care of it. 117 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 3: Well. Julie called me the next day and said. 118 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 6: She finally got her shower and got a semi kind 119 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 6: of toothbrush to grocer. 120 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: Teeth under what precaution or protocol. Did they justify not 121 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: allowing her to brush her teeth or shower for twenty 122 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: one days, I've. 123 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 6: Never heard an answer yet, no one returned, and he 124 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 6: calls to me. 125 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 3: No one has answered that question, not one person. 126 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:02,679 Speaker 1: Who do those officers report work directly to the sheriff 127 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: I believe who's now retired. 128 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 3: Yes, Beni Vic. 129 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 6: Your call has been forwarded to an automated voice messaging system. 130 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 3: Hi. 131 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: My name is Lauren Bright Piceco, and I am a 132 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: journalist trying to get in. 133 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 2: Touch with mister Vic. 134 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: I've reached out to former Williamson County Sheriff Benniveck to 135 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: no avail since March eighteenth, twenty twenty four. I've also 136 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: attempted to contact current Williamson County Sheriff Jeff Diedrich, making 137 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: Freedom of Information Act request for documentation of orders that 138 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: dictated Beverly's treatment while pregnant and during the delivery of 139 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: her son while she was in custody of Williamson County 140 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: awaiting trial. At the date of this recording, I had 141 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: yet to receive a response. 142 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 6: She wasn't treated like she was an innocent human being 143 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 6: at all. Is sickening right down to what they were 144 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 6: giving her to eat. It took her a while to 145 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 6: get the vitamins that she That was another reasoning. 146 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 3: For house releas because she had issues with iron, so 147 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 3: in case she needed an iron infusion. 148 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 6: She finally started taking the vitamins, but nutrition was not 149 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 6: there because a lot of the food that they were 150 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 6: giving her this was during COVID. 151 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 3: These are the excuses COVID. So a lot of the 152 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 3: meals were lunch meat. 153 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 6: This went on for at least three to four months. 154 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 3: Lunch meat for lunch and dinner. 155 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: That's filled with nitrates. 156 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 6: Yes, eating too much of that and her being pregnant 157 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 6: can get lysteria. It's just like at every opportunity that 158 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 6: came to them to degrade her, or belittle her, or even. 159 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 3: Torture her, they did it. 160 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 6: It took that opportunity and did whatever they could. There 161 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 6: were no presumptions of innocence while they were awaiting trial. 162 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 3: It was none of that. 163 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: None of it especially would seem when it came to 164 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: Beverly's labor and delivery. We'll be right back with Murder 165 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: on Songbird Road. Now back to Murder on Songbird Road. 166 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: In a six page letter, Julie Beverly shared the circumstances 167 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: of her son's birth while in custody of Williamson County. 168 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 1: I've asked her cousin Niki to read excerpts of that letter. 169 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 7: July twenty eighth, twenty twenty one was one of the 170 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 7: best days of my life, and it turned into the 171 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 7: hardest days. I gave birth to my fourth child, Thomas. 172 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 7: It was hard birth because a few hours earlier I 173 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 7: was told for the first time. 174 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 5: That he would be taken. 175 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: Beverly goes on to explain that she was awoken in 176 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: her cell at ten pm by Williamson County jail nurse 177 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: Marilyn Reynolds, who was accompanied by a corrections officer and 178 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: a police lieutenant. Beverly was in four She was being 179 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: taken to the hospital to be induced. 180 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 7: When we arrived at the hospital, Marilyn and the corrections 181 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 7: officer Stocker, stayed in the room with me. Nurses started 182 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,719 Speaker 7: my intake, and at that time they asked if I 183 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 7: had planned to bottle or breastfeed. I said I wanted 184 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,839 Speaker 7: to breastfeed. While I stayed in the hospital room. Then 185 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 7: Marilyn Reynolds tells me that the judge ordered Thomas would 186 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 7: be taken as soon as the umbilical cord was cut. 187 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 7: I wanted to scream at that moment, I said, no 188 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 7: one told me this. Her reply was, well, your attorney 189 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 7: and the judge signed off on it. 190 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,839 Speaker 1: Not only was Beverly not informed as to the plan 191 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: to immediately seize her son, she was denied access to 192 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: contacting her lawyers or family. Reynolds apparently ordered the phone 193 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: removed from Beverly's hospital room. 194 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 5: All I could think is I didn't want to be here. 195 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 7: I wanted to keep him inside until he was ready 196 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 7: to come out, and I'm ready for him. I didn't 197 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 7: want to hand him to anyone, and I wanted him 198 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 7: to stay until the case was resolved so that I 199 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 7: could take him home. I was not prepared, would never 200 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 7: be prepared to give Thomas to anyone. 201 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: Beverly was forced to give birth with two Williamson County 202 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: Jail employees in her room. 203 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 7: My only support system was Marilyn and the corrections officer 204 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 7: stuck her two people I did not want with me. 205 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: There was a person who showed Beverly kindness and compassion 206 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: immediately after Thomas was born, her OBGYN, doctor Andrea Humphrey 207 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: By refusing to immediately cut the umbilical cord. 208 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 7: Hearing that first cry is always the most amazing feeling. 209 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 7: He only cried for a few seconds. Once he was 210 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 7: placed on my chest, he was calm. Then Doctor Humphrey 211 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 7: did for me the most heartfelt, amazing thing. I will 212 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 7: never be able to express how appreciative I am for her. 213 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 7: She gave me the golden hour. It's an hour where 214 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 7: the umbilical cord stays attached and the mother and child 215 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,839 Speaker 7: are able to bond. She gave me an hour when 216 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 7: the courts and the corrections officers wanted to give me seconds. 217 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: Doctor Humphrey also made sure that photos of that hour 218 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: were taken before Beverly's son was taken from her. 219 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 5: That hour was the best thing ever. 220 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 7: I got to hold him and kiss him, breastfed him, 221 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 7: and most important, tell him that I loved him and 222 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 7: I will forever love him. 223 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: The pictures are heartbreaking. In them, Beverly's face clearly shows 224 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 1: the strain of having just given birth and the emotional 225 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: weight of balancing her love for her newborn son with 226 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:37,479 Speaker 1: their inevitable separation. 227 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 5: Then the dreaded moment came. 228 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 7: Doctor Humphrey said, it's time it was like Thomas knew 229 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 7: because he started crying, and of course I immediately started crying, 230 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 7: and I'm crying now just reliving the moment. 231 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 5: It broke my heart. I didn't want him to leave. 232 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: When a hospital staff member came in to discuss the 233 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: birth certificate, Julia Beverly endured additional heartbreak, and it involved 234 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: the man she had lived with for nearly eight years 235 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: and already had two other children with, Mike Beasley. 236 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 7: She said he didn't want to sign the birth certificate 237 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 7: without a DNA test. It felt like a slap in 238 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 7: the face. So he basically said he believed that I 239 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 7: had cheated on him. I had never given him reason 240 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 7: to believe that he was the love of my life 241 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 7: and the only person I was with, So my name 242 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 7: was the only one on the birth certificate. 243 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: Less than twenty four hours after giving birth and still 244 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: bleeding heavily, Beverly was shackled and returned to the Williamson 245 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: County Prison, her breasts painfully swollen with milk, meant for 246 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: the son she has not seen or held since. And 247 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 1: then came another blow to Beverly. 248 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 7: I found out later that day that Mike took Thomas 249 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 7: home before the DNA results came back. I don't know 250 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 7: why he was able to take him when he wouldn't 251 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 7: sign the birth certificate. 252 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: As we'll further discuss, the circumstances surrounding Beverly's birth and 253 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: the custody of her son are even more controversial than 254 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: they are cruel. But alone in her cell, Beverly, stripped 255 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: of her newborn, felt powerless and despondent. 256 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 7: I fell into a deep depression again. It was a 257 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 7: rough couple of weeks after that. 258 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: Julia Beverly ended her letter with this. 259 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 5: It's heart going back to these moments. 260 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: Even before reading the letter, the way in which Beverly 261 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: was forced to give birth and the way in which 262 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: her son was taken was hard for her cousin Nikki 263 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: to process. 264 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 7: It's horrific, it's inhuman. I can't even imagine. 265 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 3: I was. 266 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 7: So worried for her leading up to the birth, just 267 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 7: because I know, having had three kids, everything that takes 268 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 7: out of you and everything that you go through, it's 269 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 7: all worth it in the end, because they. 270 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 5: Are you and they're a part of you. And for 271 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 5: her to have to do that with. 272 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 7: Nobody that cared for her, really, to be alone and 273 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 7: have to do that and then have to leave without him. 274 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 5: I just can't. It's still it's extremely upsetting. 275 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: Especially if, as Nikki vehemently believes, Julia Beverly was wrongfully 276 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: accused and convicted. Back to Beverly's mother, Renee high Tower, 277 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: how did you find out that your grandson was born? 278 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 6: My friend? Actually she used to work at the hospital, 279 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 6: so she called saying that she needed to check on 280 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 6: Julia Beverly. She got through to the nurses station up 281 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 6: there and they told her what time she came in, 282 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 6: and she asked how she was doing, and then she 283 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 6: called me and told me that she was there. So 284 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 6: that's how I found out because I wasn't getting calls 285 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 6: from Julie at all, and I was worried about her. 286 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 6: And then when I called immediately after, they told me 287 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 6: she wasn't there. 288 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 3: And this was within ten fifteen minutes. 289 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: So she's put back in solitary confinement basically when she 290 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: gets back to the jail. 291 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 3: Pretty much. 292 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's not reaching out to you, no, and 293 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: you're probably concerned again, very. 294 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, because I knew this is going to be heart 295 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 6: wrenching for her not being able to be with her 296 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 6: baby and the whole situation in its entirety, and she 297 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 6: didn't call me. I sent a text and I didn't 298 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 6: get a response from that. So I called the jail 299 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 6: and I talked to an officer who was a woman, 300 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 6: and I said, I know she had the baby. I'm 301 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 6: just checking to see if she's all right. She's not 302 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 6: calling me, And they said, I guess she's okay. She's 303 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 6: not in a smock and what does that mean? Meaning 304 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 6: she's not in a suicidal outfit, So I guess she's 305 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 6: all right. 306 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: It is of interest to add that I've been given 307 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: portions of Beverly's DCFS case file by an anonymous source. 308 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: For some reason, Beverly, who is half white, is listed 309 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: as black on the reports, yet all four of her children, 310 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: whose fathers are white, are listed as white. Again, Mary 311 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: and Illinois is eighty six percent white. Here's Rene high 312 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: Tower's reaction. 313 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 2: I have the page. 314 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 1: It's on page two of fifteen. Julia Beverly adult female, 315 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 1: black African American, Jade Beasley child female white. I'm not 316 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: going to use the kids' names, but Mike and Julia's 317 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 1: one year old child is listed as female and white, 318 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: and Jaden is listed as white. Wow, as is the 319 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: eldest daughter that Julia and Mike share white, All the 320 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: kids are white, and just Julie is black. 321 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 2: How does that happen? 322 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 3: Get me? 323 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 1: That view of Beverly as other seems to have also 324 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: impacted the way her entire family was treated even before 325 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 1: the trial, particularly when Hitower was petitioning to have Beverly 326 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:15,959 Speaker 1: stay with her during the pregnancy. 327 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 6: The sad part about one of these things is when 328 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 6: she was up for that hearing to the appellate court 329 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 6: for her to be on the house arrest just for 330 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 6: the birth of her baby, and we were waiting on 331 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 6: the results for that, and when those results came back, 332 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 6: they were not given to thene They were not given 333 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 6: to me, they were not given to Julie. Yet Mike's 334 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:40,959 Speaker 6: family made a huge post on their Facebook denied in 335 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 6: all capital. 336 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 3: Os with explanation points, and that's how we learned. That's 337 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 3: how we learned. 338 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: There seems to be huge lack of communication, but it 339 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: seems to just be in one direction. 340 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 8: YEP. 341 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: A quick aside. When this interview was taped in March 342 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty four, Thomas was nearly three years and 343 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: so when did you first get the chance to meet Thomas. 344 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 3: I have yet to meet Thomas. I have not met 345 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 3: him yet. 346 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 6: I've seen the pictures that Julie got from the hospital, 347 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 6: and that's all I have. 348 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: Renee High Tower had been denied access to Beverly's three 349 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: youngest children her grandchildren since the arrest. 350 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 6: Mike is keeping three of Julie's children from me on 351 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 6: what grounds. He states that he's doing it for the 352 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 6: protection of his children, and I'm not sure what that means. 353 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 2: That's one half of their family. 354 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, And this is not something that was done 355 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 6: later in this case. This was done immediately immediately upon 356 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 6: Julie's arrest. As soon as she was arrested. It was 357 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 6: completely cut off. Even when Thomas was born. I reached out, 358 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 6: you need to help with the baby, let me know. 359 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 6: I'll help any way I can. Everything goes unanswered. 360 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 2: That's got to be so painful. 361 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 3: It is. 362 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 6: It is very And then I have Jayden here, who 363 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 6: is missing out on three of his siblings, and he 364 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 6: comes to see me every other weekend, yet he can't 365 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 6: see his own siblings. And Mike has a direct line 366 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 6: to Jaden where he doesn't have to go through me 367 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 6: or anyone else. 368 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 3: And he still doesn't maintain contact. 369 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 6: With him, and Jaden sends text messages all the time 370 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 6: want to talk to the girls, and those go unanswered. 371 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: High Tower has had no choice but resort to petitioning 372 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 1: the courts for access to her grandchildren. 373 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 3: There was always an excuse, like clockwork. 374 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 6: Every two weeks, I would request to see them, and 375 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 6: my request would either go unanswered or it would be 376 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,239 Speaker 6: it's not a good time, or I'll let you know. 377 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 6: And this went on for a year and a half 378 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 6: and I finally looked into getting a jorney. 379 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 3: I ended up filing for grandparent visitation. 380 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 6: Never did I think it would take years. 381 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 8: You have reached the non emergency line for Williamson County 382 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 8: Sheriff's Department. 383 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 3: Get this an emergency. 384 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 5: Please hang up in down nine to one one. 385 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 3: Please listen carefully. 386 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: By the fall of twenty twenty four, it's important to 387 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 1: stress just how unresponsive Williamson County had been to my 388 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: outreach for information pertinent to the case against Julie Beverly. 389 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: This occurred on multiple levels, across multiple branches. 390 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 8: For Williamson County Jail, Please press one WAYNAMS in King Jail, Hi. 391 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 1: I please speak with Marilyn Reynolds. 392 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 5: Just a minute. 393 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 8: Record your message. 394 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:47,959 Speaker 3: Hi. 395 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: Ms Reynolds. My name is Lauren Bright pitch Ecko, and 396 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: I am a journalist who is looking into the Julia 397 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: Beverly case. I'm calling because I believe that you were 398 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: the attending on duty when she gave birth to her 399 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: son Thomas on seven twenty eight, twenty one, when she 400 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: was in custody of Williamson County awaiting trial. I'm just 401 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: calling because I'm trying to find out where the order 402 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 1: to remove the infant immediately upon birth came from. Mss 403 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: Beverly contends that you gave the direction, but I cannot 404 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: find any official order, so I'm hoping you can clear 405 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: that up for me, and also who gave the order 406 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: for members of the Department of Correction to be in 407 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: the room while she was giving birth. Again, my name 408 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: is Lauren Bright PACHECKA. After many failed attempts, I finally 409 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: did manage to get Williamson County Jail nurse Marilyn Reynolds 410 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: on the phone. She refused to answer any of my 411 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: questions as to whose order she was working under and 412 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: directed me back to the Williamson County Sheriff's office for information. 413 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: Sheriff ignored more than a dozen of my requests via 414 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: phone and email for information and records pertaining to Julia 415 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: Beverly's case. If you could give me a holler back, 416 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: I am an thank you so much. Out of frustration, 417 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: I contacted the Williamson County State's Attorney, Ted Hampson, who 418 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: replaced the former Williamson County State's Attorney Brandon Zenati, Zanati 419 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 1: having resigned under somewhat dubious circumstances. 420 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 9: A former Southern Illinois state's attorney has pleaded guilty to 421 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 9: a federal fraud charge. Former Williamson County State's Attorney Brendan 422 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 9: Zanati pled guilty to a charge of false entry inv 423 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 9: bank records and involves Southern Trust Bank branches in Marion, Vienna, 424 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 9: and Goreville. That charge carries with it the possibility of 425 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 9: jail time and a fine. 426 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: In March of twenty twenty four, I started reaching out 427 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 1: to Justin Mays, the Williamson County Circuit Clerk. After several 428 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: unresponsive weeks, he linked me with an assistant state's attorney, 429 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: Jerry Adams. On thirtieth she forwarded as a quote courtesy 430 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: an amended temporary custody order signed by a judge, claiming 431 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: it provided the information I was seeking, even though there 432 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: was no mention of birthing protocol or the immediate removal 433 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: of Beverly's infant. When pressed as to who initiated those 434 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: specific orders, she responded that Sheriff Binnyvick had retired before 435 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: wishing me quote good luck. Months later, the Williamson County 436 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: circuit clerk who'd linked us justin Mays resigned after being 437 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: caught up in the same real estate and banking scandal 438 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: as former Williamson County State's Attorney Brandon Soanati. Here's Renee 439 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: high Tower's take. 440 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 6: For a long time, I've heard people complain about Williamson County, 441 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 6: and I just chalked it up as, oh, my god, Well, 442 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 6: if you do the right thing, you won't have nothing 443 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 6: to complain about. I've thought a lot about that, and 444 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 6: then when my ex husband became a police officer, I 445 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 6: learned the other side of the law from a police 446 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 6: officer's perspective, and I never thought about any of the 447 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 6: corruption or the poor judgment and the poor behavior of 448 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 6: some of these officers until this happened. To Julie, I 449 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:24,199 Speaker 6: never seen this side until I was in it. I 450 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 6: have not ever seen this level of corruption anywhere in 451 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 6: my life anywhere, from the lying and the cover ups, 452 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 6: and it's just drip, drip, drip in the bucket. We've 453 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 6: got full bucket and it's still going. It's unbelievable. 454 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: Because of the ongoing lack of response to my Freedom 455 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: of Information Act requests, I eventually contacted the Attorney General's 456 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: Office of Illinois. But federal investigations, scandals, and retirements aside, 457 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 1: Why would Williamson County be so reluctant to provide transparency 458 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: regarding Beverly's pregnancy, delivery and the immediate removal of her 459 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: son while in their Custoday, my name is. 460 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 8: Emily Worth, and I am a senior staff attorney at 461 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 8: the ACLU of Illinois. 462 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: According to the American Civil Liberties Union, Illinois state law 463 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: is quite clear as to the reproductive rights of incarcerated individuals. 464 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 8: Reproductive rights in the context of incarceration should mean the 465 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 8: same things as reproductive rights in any context, which is 466 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 8: the right to make your own autonomous decisions about reproductive healthcare, 467 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 8: whether that's contraception, abortion, prenatal care care during labor and delivery. 468 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 8: It's really about having bodily autonomy when it comes to 469 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 8: making those decisions. 470 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: Can you give me just a general overview of reproductive 471 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: rights while incarcerated in Illinois. 472 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 8: Within Illinois, we have a state law called the Reproductive 473 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 8: Health Act that sets standards for everyone in the state 474 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 8: to have basic reproductive rights. And the Reproductive Health Act 475 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 8: does apply to anyone who's in the custody of a 476 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 8: county jail. So within the state of Illinois, the reproductive 477 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 8: rights that you have do not vary from county county. 478 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 8: Everyone in Illinois is guaranteed the same reproductive rights by 479 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 8: the Reproductive Health Act. We also have a number of 480 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 8: additional specific laws here in Illinois that deal with particular 481 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 8: issues related to pregnancy care while someone is incarcerated in 482 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 8: prison or jail, relating to things like the use of 483 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 8: solitary confinements, the use of restraints during pregnancy and postpartum, 484 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 8: and other issues unique to someone who is experiencing pregnancy 485 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 8: or has recently given birth. 486 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 1: What are those rights specifically in terms of prenatal care, So. 487 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 8: Someone who is pregnant while incarcerated in Illinois has a 488 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 8: right to receive adequate prenatal care that ensures that they 489 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 8: have healthy pregnancy. They have the right to make their 490 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 8: own decisions about whether to continue that pregnancy or to 491 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 8: obtain an abortion. If they do continue the pregnancy. They 492 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 8: have their right to make decisions about how they give birth, 493 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,360 Speaker 8: for example, whether or not to have an epidural, whether 494 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 8: or not to have a c section, whether or not 495 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 8: to be induced. They have those rights to make those decisions. 496 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:35,719 Speaker 1: In terms of the specific amount of time that an 497 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: incarcerated person is allowed to stay with their newborn in Illinois, 498 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: are their laws around that time frame or window. 499 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 8: The current law is that someone who's incarcerated has a 500 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 8: right to have their baby stay with them for seventy 501 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 8: two hours after giving birth, unless the doctor says that 502 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 8: that isn't safe. That became the law on July first 503 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 8: of twenty twenty one. 504 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: Got it, and so it's the doctor's call, basically, not 505 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: a judge or a correctional facility nurse. 506 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 8: That's correct. The law says that the determination is to 507 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 8: be made by a medical professional. The law became effective 508 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 8: July first, twenty twenty one. 509 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: A point of note, Julia Beverly's son Thomas was born 510 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: July twenty eighth, twenty twenty one, nearly a full month 511 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: after that law went into effect. We did talk about 512 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: the seventy two hour window that the incarcerated individual is 513 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: entitled to spend with their newborn, but we didn't talk 514 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: about the rights specifically during delivery and birth. 515 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 8: So during labor and delivery there should be no shackles 516 00:29:54,120 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 8: whatsoever used on an incarcerated person, and any correct staffs 517 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 8: that are at the hospital should be posted outside the 518 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 8: delivery room. 519 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: Now, was that a change that was made at the 520 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: same time that the seventy two hours was. 521 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 5: I believe that. 522 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 8: Change was made earlier. That was the law even prior 523 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 8: to twenty twenty one. 524 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: What recourse does an individual in Illinois specifically have if 525 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: they believe their reproductive rights were violated while they were incarcerated? 526 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 8: This Reproductive Health Act includes a right of action, include 527 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 8: the right to sue the government if you believe that 528 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 8: your reproductive rights have been violated. 529 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: Murder on Songbird Road will continue after this. Here again 530 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: is Murder on Songbird Road. In April of twenty twenty four, 531 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: I visited Beverly in the Illinois facility she was transferred 532 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: to after her sentencing. I flew into Chicago and drove 533 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: a rental car two and a half hours south to Lincoln, Illinois. Afterwards, 534 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: I connected with Bob Mada. It was really interesting the 535 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: difference between the women's facility and the men's facilities that 536 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: I've been in. Yeah, I mean right away, it's sprawled 537 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: out so Originally it was built as a home for 538 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: women who didn't want to keep their children, and I 539 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: guess they'd give birth and then give the children. 540 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 2: Up for adoption. 541 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: But there's nothing but just cornfields, basically just farmland, and 542 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: then this brick structure that's all sprawled out in little houses. 543 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: You almost get the feeling that it's a religious retreat 544 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: or some kind of school. 545 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 4: Even if that's the vibe, we know that what it is, 546 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 4: that's for sure. 547 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: I was the only visitor who signed up for the 548 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: four thirty to eight thirty time slot. 549 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 2: Really, so once I went. 550 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: Through, and of course they pat you down and you 551 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: had to declare every piece of metal on your body, 552 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: and then they led me through to another building where 553 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: Julie was just sitting by herself. The first thing that 554 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: I was taken aback by was her size. 555 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 3: She is so. 556 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 2: Tiny, she's tiny, tiny. 557 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: And also she was so pale, and I mentioned that 558 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: because she doesn't look like her mugshot. That's the thing 559 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: that she hears most often people don't recognize her from 560 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: her mugshot because the mugshot really almost looks like it's 561 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: in black and white. It is a darker version of Julie, 562 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: which I find interesting because of the layers that race plays. 563 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: In this case particularly, it's almost as if they wanted 564 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: to magnify the half black side of her. So I 565 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: don't know if there was some tampering at work in 566 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: terms of that photo. But then I think about that 567 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: press conference that Zenati, the then state's attorney, when he 568 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: held up the photo of Julie, because he announced the 569 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: murder and her arrest during the same press conference, and 570 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,719 Speaker 1: then he held up this picture of Jade that is 571 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: dated at this point, but very very vibrant, and you 572 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: see the blonde hair, and you see pink as her 573 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,719 Speaker 1: favorite color everywhere in that photo, and the juxtaposition with 574 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: a dark, grainy grayness of the black and white feel 575 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: Julie's mugshot is just jarring. 576 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean in terms of the picture of Jade, 577 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 4: it's completely a misrepresentation of what she looked like at 578 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 4: the time that the crime occurred. 579 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 5: I mean, she was a big kid. 580 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 4: When I first laid eyes on a photograph of Jade, 581 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 4: I never in a million years would have thought that 582 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 4: she was eleven years old. 583 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 3: No way. 584 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, she looked older in her physicality. Also the size difference. 585 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: I am closer to Jade's size almost exactly, and I 586 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: towered over Julie, towered over her. And if she and 587 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: I were to get into a physical interaction, my size 588 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 1: would be such an advantage. 589 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 2: I doubt Julie could pay me. I seriously doubt it. 590 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 1: And there was something else we'll return to later in 591 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 1: greater detail, that knife wielding masked man Beverly claims to 592 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 1: have encountered. She placed his height at only five six 593 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 1: or so. If he was an imaginary boogeyman Beverly had 594 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: concocted to feign innocence, why wouldn't she have claimed he 595 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: was more physically imposing. Why make up a man who's 596 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: several inches shorter than the average American male. But back 597 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: to issues with Beverly's birth, which I discussed with Bob 598 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,760 Speaker 1: and his wife, Alison, who is also a criminal defense attorney. 599 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 1: So Beverly was at the hospital when the jail nurse 600 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: informed her that she would not be able to keep 601 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: the baby at all. Right before that, give up her 602 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: parental rights. I mean no, no, no, there's a temporary order. 603 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: I have a copy of that. It was temporary for Mike. 604 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: But never did she waive her her parental rights or custody. 605 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 5: She's not getting visitation. 606 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 1: No, she's not seen any of her children since her arrest. 607 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 5: She didn't seen any of her kids since the arrest. 608 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: Mike's not bringing them Beverly's family, so her mother and 609 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,399 Speaker 1: siblings have had no access. 610 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 4: Julie's mom, the grandmother, is not even seeing the kids 611 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 4: at all. 612 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,800 Speaker 6: Now she can pick the kids up and bring onto 613 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:30,280 Speaker 6: the mom. 614 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,320 Speaker 5: But I guess dad's letting her. 615 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: Right, No, no, no, not letting her. They have no access. 616 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 1: She's never met Thomas. Julia had lost all access to 617 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 1: the children she shares with Mike Beasley as well, even 618 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,800 Speaker 1: as Mike's new girlfriend, a stranger to Beverly and her family, 619 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,799 Speaker 1: was on social media posting about them as if they 620 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:49,399 Speaker 1: were her own. 621 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:50,720 Speaker 2: Even though I'm. 622 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,359 Speaker 1: Waiting on more Freedom of Information Act requests, I don't 623 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: think that anyone involved had proper authority to remove Beverly's 624 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: infant or hand him off to someone who had refused 625 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: to sign the birth certificate. And I don't think that 626 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: Beverly's treatment in Williamson County is exactly an anomaly. A 627 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: simple Google search would reveal multiple suits brought by former 628 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: detainees naming Williamson County jail nurse Marilyn Reynolds as a defendant. 629 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: Whose authority was she acting upon when she removed that 630 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 1: baby immediately after birth? It would have had to have 631 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 1: been with the oversight of the then sheriff vic who 632 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: was also named in tons of these other lawsuits in 633 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,320 Speaker 1: addition to the nurse. 634 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:41,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, that makes sense. 635 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 1: There are also multiple suits naming former Sheriff Benny Vick 636 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,919 Speaker 1: as a defendant, many of which include Williamson County Jail 637 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 1: nurse Marilyn Reynolds. And then you've got the tons of 638 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 1: people who've retired or resigned since Beverly's arrest, the former sheriff, 639 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,399 Speaker 1: the former lead investor stigator, the former state's attorney, And 640 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 1: it's kind of as if accountability left with them. 641 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. 642 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: It was just another in the many troubling patterns that 643 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 1: our investigations seemed to be unearthing. It is this vilification 644 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: not only of Julie, but her entire family, because Julie's 645 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,320 Speaker 1: entire family has been kept from the children, not just Julie, 646 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 1: which is crazy. 647 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, it played itself out in the way that the 648 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,399 Speaker 4: trial was conducted. It played itself out in the way 649 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 4: that the investigation, or lack thereof, was conducted. I mean, 650 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 4: this was a classic case of tunnel vision. 651 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 1: And I mean Beverly and her supporters do claim that 652 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,840 Speaker 1: only evidence that could incriminate her was presented or tested, 653 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 1: from DNA to things like cell phones and electronics found 654 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: at the crime scene. 655 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 3: There's no doubt about it. 656 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 4: I mean, as soon as we can get an appellet 657 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 4: lawyer that's going to dig into the investigation that didn't 658 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 4: take place with the things that they didn't do that 659 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 4: are inexplicable in terms of devices that weren't looked at DNA, 660 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,240 Speaker 4: that wasn't tested. I still, as a figure today, cannot 661 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 4: believe that all of Jade's devices were not forensically examined. 662 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 4: If I cannot believe that that's true at. 663 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: This point, it was our understanding that while the phone 664 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 1: belonging to Julia Beverly was searched and tracked to build 665 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 1: a timeline of her movements. None of Jade's electronics, not 666 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:34,919 Speaker 1: her cell phone, chromebook, laptop, or gaming device were subjected 667 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,440 Speaker 1: to a forensic search. 668 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 5: Why is this. 669 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: Important because if there was any activity on any of 670 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 1: them after the forty five minute window during which the 671 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: prosecution contends Beverly brutally murdered Jade Beasley, Beverly's innocence would 672 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:55,400 Speaker 1: be more than arguable. That could have been potentially exculpatory 673 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:59,799 Speaker 1: evidence because if it showed that Julie was at the 674 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:05,759 Speaker 1: station at the exact time Jade was texting. Agreed, but 675 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,800 Speaker 1: we needed access to the investigation reports and the trial 676 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: transcripts to prove it. 677 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,000 Speaker 5: I want to get the transcripts. 678 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 4: It's very frustrating not being able to get our. 679 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:16,880 Speaker 5: Hands on things. 680 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 1: We can get the trial transcripts from Julie. I couldn't 681 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: because I wasn't there on a legal visit, but you could. 682 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,760 Speaker 1: On the next Murder on Songbird Road, Mike Beasley's family 683 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 1: shares their take on Julia Beverly. 684 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 7: That is where we believe the jealousy came in and 685 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 7: where we believe she saved. 686 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,759 Speaker 1: Allegations of witchcraft are made. 687 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 7: Going online and making us a faceless cope because of 688 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,439 Speaker 7: the way that she was markeered in trying to make 689 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,239 Speaker 7: that insinuation just to hear. 690 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 1: The plot, and I had to Salem, Massachusetts to confront 691 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,440 Speaker 1: the root of the accusations. So people down there associate 692 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,840 Speaker 1: witchcraft with something evil, so they're trying to associate evil 693 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,319 Speaker 1: with Julie Murder on Songbird Road is a production of 694 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 1: iHeart Podcasts. Our executive producers are Taylor Chackoine and Lauren 695 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 1: Bright Pacheco. Research writing and hosting by Lauren Bright Pacheco. 696 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,840 Speaker 1: Investigative reporting by Bob Matta and Lauren Bright Pacheco. Editing, 697 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:21,120 Speaker 1: sound design and original music by Evan Tyre and Taylor Chaqoine. 698 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:26,400 Speaker 1: Additional music by Asher Kurtz. Archival elements courtesy of wsil 699 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: News three. 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