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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to Move the Sticks on a Monday, DJ.

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Speaker 1: Bucky Rhett back with you as we go through some

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Speaker 1: of the big games from this last week. A lot

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Speaker 1: of storylines, a lot of things to get to.

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Speaker 2: Buck.

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Speaker 1: It looks like your background right there, you're either at

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Speaker 1: work or you're in some type of a holding situation there.

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Speaker 1: What what do we got going on?

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm going to work. I can't.

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Speaker 4: I came into work, flew right off the plane, jump

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Speaker 4: right in, decided to come in office and do the

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Speaker 4: podcast kind of like on location.

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Speaker 3: If I go a little differently, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, nice Rett supporting team win or lose.

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Speaker 2: I like that.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate it, baby every week. You know, we're not

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Speaker 5: fair weather fans over here. Loyalty is a big deal.

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Speaker 5: And yeah, I just wanted to make it clear this

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Speaker 5: was this was not forty nine ers read Bucky. I

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Speaker 5: wouldn't do.

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Speaker 2: That to you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah you're talking.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that game. Yeah, we'll get to that

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Speaker 1: game in a minute. We got we got definitely got

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Speaker 1: a chance to get to that one. Let's let's get

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Speaker 1: going because we had a lot of games to get

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Speaker 1: to all. I'll start us off here with the game

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Speaker 1: I was at, which ended up being I think the

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Speaker 1: game of the day. The Chargers, as they always do,

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Speaker 1: they play a thriller, comes down to the very end.

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Speaker 1: They losing a walk off kick to the Lions forty

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Speaker 1: one to thirty eight a game. The Lions were a

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Speaker 1: track meet in the first half, run the ball, second half,

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Speaker 1: they threw it all over the place. An impressive day

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Speaker 1: from the Lions offense. The Chargers defense. Look, you're coming

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Speaker 1: off games against Tyson Bagent and Zach Wilson and those offenses.

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Speaker 1: The defense, you know, was a sack fest and it

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Speaker 1: was impressive in this one. They didn't get a single sack.

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Speaker 1: They could not get pressure on Jared Goff. It was

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Speaker 1: one explosive after another. And a couple of takeaways from that,

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Speaker 1: and we'll go around the horn on this game here,

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Speaker 1: but number one the takeaway was you'll never regret investing

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Speaker 1: in the offensive line. It's a really good offensive line,

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Speaker 1: if not the best offensive line in the NFL with

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Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions. And they can run right their right

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Speaker 1: handed run team behind Piney Sewel, and then they all

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Speaker 1: five are good in pass protection. Panae Seuele played really

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Speaker 1: really well against Bosa in pass pro as well. Across

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Speaker 1: the board, there's no weakness. We talk about tomato cans,

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Speaker 1: Bucky and no tomato cans on this front. There's no

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Speaker 1: there's no easy matchup, there's no easy win. They controlled

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Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage defensively, I still think obviously by

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Speaker 1: the points they gave up. I know they're ranked high,

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Speaker 1: but Aiden Hudginson's a star. Ali McNeill's a really good player.

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Speaker 1: They've got some other good players. This is not a

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Speaker 1: defense to me that when you look at the NFC

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Speaker 1: and you look at the Eagles, the Cowboys, the Niners,

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Speaker 1: once you get into the tournament, I think that'll that'll

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Speaker 1: probably slow them down and hurt them at that point

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Speaker 1: in time. But offensively, especially upfront in the trench, is

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Speaker 1: really really good football team.

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Speaker 4: I mean, LOOKDJ, you talked about investing in the offensive line.

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Speaker 4: They've done a really good job of that. And I

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Speaker 4: love it when the team really takes on the personality

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Speaker 4: of their coach. So you see Dan Campbell, high octane,

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Speaker 4: a lot of energy, a lot of rough and tumbled,

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Speaker 4: old school tough guy stuff, and this team plays like that.

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Speaker 4: And look, he's a tight end by trade, so it's

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Speaker 4: not a coincidence that the offensive line is something that

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Speaker 4: he's really invested in. Their offense is their best defense

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Speaker 4: and the way that they are able to in a

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Speaker 4: diverse approach. Using a diverse approach, they can run it,

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Speaker 4: they can throw it, they can control the game, and

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Speaker 4: so that defense that you worry about, if they get

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Speaker 4: the game on their terms, they can make it very,

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Speaker 4: very difficult for anybody to play with them.

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Speaker 3: And that's what you saw. You saw the running game.

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Speaker 4: David Montgomery shows up and decides that he wants to

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Speaker 1: As I know, he had seventy five yards in him.

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Speaker 3: I know you heard that in it, Jimmy Gibbs.

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Speaker 4: You got Aman Rossaint Brown catching balls all over the place.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this team is really good.

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Speaker 4: And you know, say what you will about Jerry Goff

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Speaker 5: I thought this this game from a game management perspective,

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Speaker 5: was kind of interesting. I mean, these two teams were

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Speaker 5: and none perhaps more glaring than Dan Campbell's decision at

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Speaker 5: the certainly could have kicked the field goal with what

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Speaker 5: about a minute twenty to go and decides to you know,

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Speaker 5: that big conversion. He was Laporta on the catch, right,

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Speaker 5: and then they end up, you know, kicking the field

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Speaker 5: football game. And I love that that Dan Campbell, you know,

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Speaker 5: more than Brandon Staley did in this game five times,

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Speaker 5: So I just you know, again, you talk about taking

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Speaker 5: you know, in those high stress, high pressure environments like

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Speaker 5: that last one when that could have backfired. Was was

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Speaker 5: a big deal, and I thought just kind of a

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Speaker 5: how good they can be, and that their coach believes

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that last one, why do you do that?

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Speaker 1: do that, so it was aggressive. Now, this is one

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Speaker 1: because of who we're affiliated with with the league to

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Speaker 1: watching football on a weekly basis, I just feel like, man,

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Speaker 1: you know, the best matchup right now was when you

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: It could be a wide out, it could be a

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Speaker 1: it seems like that's just stealing. So I said, can

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Speaker 1: we pull the numbers of when you target the number

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Speaker 1: here's what it is, guys. I thought this was pretty interesting.

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Speaker 1: So when you're in trips here targeting that number three receiver,

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Speaker 1: the completion percentage is seventy five point one percent. Seventy

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Speaker 1: five point one percent. All other all other passes in

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Speaker 1: that's a significant difference. Now the air yards are down

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Speaker 2: I mean, you'll see it.

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Speaker 1: I know you guys don't throw the ball out, but

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Speaker 1: Chiefs forever. I saw Tyreek Hill on that number three

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Speaker 4: Well, it's the hardest formation to deal with because what

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Speaker 3: It's easy for the quarterback to do.

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Speaker 4: And if you add like RPO layers where the the

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Speaker 4: That's why you're seeing so many teams have so much

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Speaker 5: Love it, uh man. I think that's that's really important.

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Speaker 5: I think to kind of understand as you're trying to

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Speaker 1: You're getting a safety A lot of times you're gonna

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Speaker 3: We all thought, yeah, yeah, highly anticipated.

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Speaker 4: But much like you, this sent me on a research

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Speaker 4: And we're not only gonna put that bear front out there.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna let Nick Bosa and Chase Young decide. Sometimes

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Speaker 4: And so the first three drives, I think Trevor Lawrence

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Speaker 4: Talking to Chase Young after the game, oh, He's like, Oh,

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Speaker 4: And I was like, huh, I wonder maybe because his

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's interesting to me.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, coming out of this game, Buck

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Speaker 2: It was just like the classic, just kind of getting yellow.

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Speaker 3: Was that the shallow the Christian McCaffrey who's lined up

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all the way across, all the.

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Speaker 1: So it was it was a nice job of scheme

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Speaker 1: And then the other thing I would say is you

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Speaker 4: The Niners, We've talked about it for years, the positionless

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Speaker 4: So you can't hide the vulnerable player that you have

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Speaker 3: Up all your rules.

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Speaker 4: It can be the most confusing and confounding offense that

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, if you're playing, if you're

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Speaker 1: I don't care if that's McCaffrey, if that's Deebo Sama's

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Speaker 4: But you have to have the personnel on defense to

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Speaker 1: Oh, Bucky ruined my fantasy team. I fired Bucky as

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Speaker 2: Official advisor for the Jacksonville Jaguars.

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Speaker 1: I drafted Tank Bigsby and I drafted Calvin Ridley. My

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Speaker 4: Every time the ball is in his direction, he either

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Speaker 4: We can talk about this later on when we talked

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Speaker 4: indictment on what somebody yelse sees from the quarterback, and

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Speaker 4: so coming into the game, I was like, okay, well,

438
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Speaker 4: let's see. They stopped the screens, it didn't let them

439
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Speaker 4: do RPOs, and he had a really tough time finding

440
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Speaker 4: his guys. And maybe it was just like a bad

441
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Speaker 4: game from number sixteen. But it's something that you have

442
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Speaker 4: to think about because as much as so many of

443
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Speaker 4: us love him, there are some things in his game

444
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Speaker 4: that he has to work through.

445
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Speaker 3: If he wants to go to that next level.

446
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Speaker 1: Their point, he's caught some heat. I meant, we can

447
00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,080
Speaker 1: we can get moving to the next game. But look,

448
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Speaker 1: it's is not that whole draft class when you look

449
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Speaker 1: at it, I mean, it has not been good. Uh,

450
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Speaker 1: all these guys he has been he has been hell

451
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Speaker 1: heralded as the you know, the city on the hill there,

452
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Speaker 1: the shining star, the beacon of a draft class that's

453
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Speaker 1: been terrible. And now because it's like there's no we

454
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Speaker 1: have there's no more arrows you can sling at at

455
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Speaker 1: Justin Fields and Trey Lance, Zach Wilson, obviously Mac Jones,

456
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Speaker 1: I mean like that, that's all, that's all been done.

457
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Speaker 1: And now it's like, Okay, Trevor's kind of the last

458
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Speaker 1: man standing, and now everybody's going away, and we've been

459
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Speaker 1: looking at all this other stuff, like is this guy

460
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Speaker 1: who we thought he was like that that conversation fair

461
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Speaker 1: or not? Buck, that's that's started. That conversation absolutely has

462
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Speaker 1: started started.

463
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Speaker 3: And to me, it was telling that someone would go

464
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Speaker 3: on record.

465
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Speaker 4: Two people went on record, Nick Bosa and Kyle Shanahan,

466
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Speaker 4: Cayle Shanison. He kind of looks like the same guy

467
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Speaker 4: we saw two years ago as a rookie, I was like,

468
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Speaker 4: uh wow.

469
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Speaker 1: Like yeah, well I remember, remember well, you remember you

470
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Speaker 1: remember the reports, whether they were accurate or not. Was

471
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Speaker 1: that that Shanahan liked U Zach? No, it was it

472
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Speaker 1: was Zach Wilson was the was the top quarterback. And

473
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Speaker 1: then they like Mac. You know, he like Mac is

474
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Speaker 1: the next one. He might get a chance to coach Mac.

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Speaker 3: There all of them.

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Speaker 5: Can I just say something as transition to the next game,

477
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Speaker 5: I'm just so thankful that now that we are not

478
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Speaker 5: at the phase of this program where I still have

479
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Speaker 5: to grade Mac Jones every week, and then I have

480
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Speaker 5: transition being.

481
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Speaker 1: The you pick the right year for that one. Davis Mills,

482
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Speaker 1: Rhett was good for Mac Jones and Davis Mills every week.

483
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Speaker 5: I'm happy to throw out grades now on the current

484
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Speaker 5: Houston Texans quarterback man. Oh is just I mean, it

485
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Speaker 5: is so much fun to watch each and I mean

486
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Speaker 5: it's the first game that I watch every every Monday

487
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Speaker 5: without I mean, like whether we're talking about it or not,

488
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Speaker 5: just because what CJ. Stroud is doing is incredible. Now, look,

489
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Speaker 5: here's the other thing that I think helps him in

490
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Speaker 5: a game like this against Cincinnati, is Devin Singletary went

491
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Speaker 5: off and they ran the football better than they have

492
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Speaker 5: all season long. So that's one thing. Here's the other thing.

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Speaker 5: You know, we talk about all that he has done well.

494
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Speaker 5: He is leading the He is not just like checking

495
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Speaker 5: the ball down and letting his playmakers go at it.

496
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Speaker 5: He is throwing the football down the field. The yards

497
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Speaker 5: per attempt are up over ten. He's thrown for more

498
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Speaker 5: first downs in the league than anybody, all while leading

499
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Speaker 5: the league in the fewest interceptions with just two. That's

500
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Speaker 5: stuff you just don't see from rookie quarterbacks. I mean,

501
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Speaker 5: just a couple of things that stood out. I mean,

502
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Speaker 5: like he's got the ability to layer those deep dig

503
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Speaker 5: routes I mean over the linebacker and thread it right

504
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Speaker 5: into was one early in the game of Dalton Schultz

505
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Speaker 5: was beautiful. It's like good pace on it, but an

506
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Speaker 5: element of touch too, right. And then when he really

507
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Speaker 5: needs to rev up the RPMs man, he can do

508
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Speaker 5: that with the best of them. I mean, like how

509
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Speaker 5: many how about the amount of play action and bootlegs

510
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Speaker 5: he ran in this game that Bobby slowk was drawn up.

511
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Speaker 5: I mean, obviously it helps when the when the you know,

512
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Speaker 5: the rushing attack is working as good as it was.

513
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Speaker 5: The mobility he sees open grass in front of him,

514
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Speaker 5: I mean, and shows really good foot quickness to get

515
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Speaker 5: out of the pocket and then run for a ten

516
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Speaker 5: yard touchdown. Look his interception, you know it was play action.

517
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Speaker 5: He turns around, he's got a rusher in his face.

518
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Speaker 5: He got sped up a little bit and then just

519
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Speaker 5: didn't you know, didn't see the whole picture and missed

520
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Speaker 5: cam trailer cam Taylor Britt trailing on a on a

521
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Speaker 5: deep over route. But the play action here in this

522
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Speaker 5: one I think really stood out to me. He's nine

523
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Speaker 5: to fourteen hundred and sixty nine yards in a touchdown,

524
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Speaker 5: most productivity on play action of any quarterback this week.

525
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Speaker 5: So he's got that working. And man, I'm just telling you, like,

526
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Speaker 5: it's bombs away in that offense, and that is so

527
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Speaker 5: much fun. I think you got to give a lot

528
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Speaker 5: of credit to slowk too, and for bringing out the

529
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Speaker 5: best in CJ. He was obviously a really talented guy.

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Speaker 1: He's been awesome man, and Buck knows him better than

531
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Speaker 1: any of us, just from the time he's spent around

532
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Speaker 1: him as a high schooler. I saw an interview the

533
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Speaker 1: other day because we nailed it on the play. It's

534
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Speaker 1: been he's legitimately, you know, in the in the very

535
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Speaker 1: very very very small circle of people competing for the MVP.

536
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Speaker 1: Like he's in the very tight circle there. It's been

537
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Speaker 1: that good. It's been, you know, as good as rookie

538
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Speaker 1: quarterback as I've seen all that stuff. The play is excellent.

539
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Speaker 1: I saw an interview of the day with him though,

540
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Speaker 1: that caught my eye when I was talking to him

541
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Speaker 1: about you know, look the S two Test and all that,

542
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Speaker 1: all all that conversation that came out, and they asked him,

543
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Speaker 1: what would you look for in a quarterback if you

544
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Speaker 1: were evaluating quarterbacks?

545
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Speaker 2: Yes? Did you see that? So I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Like so the one thing he's like, look, I'd want

547
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Speaker 1: to sit in the room with him and watch tape

548
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Speaker 1: see how much he understands football.

549
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Speaker 2: Okay, I got that.

550
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Speaker 1: But then he said something that we've talked about forever,

551
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Speaker 1: which is I would never take a quarterback who only

552
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Speaker 1: played one sport, and Buck correct me if I'm wrong.

553
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Speaker 2: Rice only played one sport.

554
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Speaker 4: I think so he played a little bit of basketball

555
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Speaker 4: a little bit, but I don't know if he played

556
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Speaker 4: for the High CJ.

557
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Speaker 1: Played like they grew up together and they grew up

558
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Speaker 1: competing against each other, and it was just I mean,

559
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Speaker 1: and Buck had both of them on his seven on seventeen,

560
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Speaker 1: but I just I thought that was and I didn't

561
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Speaker 1: think he was I'm not saying he was taking a

562
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Speaker 1: shot at bright show, but I'm thinking it was kind

563
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Speaker 1: of like it was kind of like, how could you

564
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Speaker 1: overlook this? Like how did you guys think guy was

565
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Speaker 1: a second pick? It wasn't like he fell that far

566
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Speaker 1: in the draft.

567
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Speaker 4: No, But I think I think just all the conversation,

568
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Speaker 4: and I think in a way that's that's his way

569
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Speaker 4: of keeping receipts and keeping the conversation going. I think

570
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Speaker 4: the main thing when he talked about instincts, he also

571
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Speaker 4: talked about making sure that you talk to the teammates

572
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Speaker 4: about how they viewed the quarterback and those things. I

573
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Speaker 4: think the best part of his game when you hear

574
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Speaker 4: his teammates talk about his leadership skills and those things.

575
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Speaker 3: I was reading the quotes.

576
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Speaker 4: After the game about looking through the interception and how

577
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Speaker 4: he just went to the things that hey, guys, it's

578
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Speaker 4: so many we got one play at a time. I

579
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Speaker 4: got this, I'll figure it out, we'll fit exit or whatever.

580
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Speaker 4: To me, the fact that he's been thrown in a

581
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Speaker 4: situation where he doesn't have a marque playmaker around him,

582
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Speaker 4: and he has had the kind of like.

583
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Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know about that.

584
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Speaker 5: Now take down, let's go.

585
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Speaker 1: I mean like, I mean, he's really you're saying, like

586
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Speaker 1: someone who's been.

587
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Speaker 3: That whatever.

588
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Speaker 4: But I think you know because he played without Nico

589
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 4: Collins yesterday, right, he didn't have Nico Collins.

590
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Speaker 2: Noah Brown.

591
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Speaker 1: I guess, I guess I undergraded Noah Brown.

592
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Speaker 2: That's the story.

593
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And man, this team has so much confidence that

594
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 4: they've not only worked themselves in the conversation, they're like, well,

595
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Speaker 4: they're not going to be one of the top teams

596
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Speaker 4: in the draft, but they legitimately have a shot to

597
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Speaker 4: win the AFC South By.

598
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Speaker 5: The way, Sheldon Rankins might have played the game of

599
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Speaker 5: his life yesterday at defensive tackle. And I'm not sure

600
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Speaker 5: a lot of people even realized he's on the Texans.

601
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Speaker 2: Right, Hey, three sacks?

602
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, just unbelievable that he comes in there

603
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Speaker 4: like they're they're looked at it. They're talking to town,

604
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Speaker 4: they have talked to everyone is beginning to discuss CJ.

605
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Speaker 4: Stroud and how this team has kind of come from

606
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Speaker 4: out of nowhere's kind of be in the conversation as

607
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Speaker 4: a playoff contender.

608
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Speaker 3: It's really remarkable.

609
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, look the other side of it, real quick.

610
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Speaker 1: Not great for the Bengals. Burrow had a couple of turnovers.

611
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 1: They weren't totally healthy. But no excuse there.

612
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 3: That's again they can't run the ball.

613
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Speaker 1: Yeah again they threw. Yeah, Burrow threw for three forty

614
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Speaker 1: seven but had the two turnovers. Jamar Chase had a

615
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 1: big day. Tyler Boyd had a big day, but sixty

616
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Speaker 1: six rushing yards to Bucky's point there, So that's that's concerning.

617
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Speaker 1: And then they couldn't get a stop. I mean, you

618
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Speaker 1: couldn't get a stop at the end of the game

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Speaker 1: when you need to stop. So I'm not gonna plan

620
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Speaker 1: on the Bengals. I think they're gonna be okay. They're

621
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Speaker 1: coming off of a couple of big wins. They'll probably

622
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Speaker 1: do for a little bit of a let down there,

623
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Speaker 1: but Houston, as Bucky said, is very much in the

624
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Speaker 1: mix to win that division. So big win for them.

625
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Speaker 1: All Right, we'll take a break, we'll come back, we'll

626
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Speaker 1: jump into the Seattle Washington game. We'll start there right

627
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Speaker 1: after this, all right, guys, see how twenty six they

628
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: beat the Commanders. Big day for Gino Smith stat wise,

629
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Speaker 1: you look down three hundred and sixty nine yards, a

630
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Speaker 1: couple of touchdowns. DK Metcalf had a big day, Lockett

631
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Speaker 1: had a big day Smith and Jigbo was solid. They

632
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Speaker 1: get the game winning field goal at the end there.

633
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Speaker 1: They ran the ball well with their two young backs,

634
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Speaker 1: with Kenneth Walker and Zach Sharbonay. I went back and

635
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 1: watched the video and I'll get I'll spend a brief

636
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: amount of time on the Seahawks before because I want

637
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 1: to get to Washington. It was actually more interesting than

638
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: me when I watched the tape. But with with Gino,

639
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: he's moving around well like he's you know, it's it's

640
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: an underrated aspect of his game. Like he'll he'll kind

641
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: of exhaust plays at times. There's times that he'll hold

642
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: the ball, maybe take a sack, but he's extending plays.

643
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: He's making some things happen. And then they've got guys

644
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 1: that can do stuff with the ball in their hands,

645
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 1: Like it's not only the wide ouse. With DK, we

646
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: know how physical and fast he is after the catch.

647
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: But then Kenneth Walker what he adds to the passing

648
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Speaker 1: game to be able to check the ball down. I

649
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: was just thinking about it with the Kenneth Walker aspect

650
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Speaker 1: of it. Are you missing the boat if if you

651
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: have if you are playing two running backs, most teams

652
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: are playing two guys primarily, right, you got two guys.

653
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Speaker 2: Doesn't one of.

654
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: The two have to be able to make house calls? Like,

655
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: doesn't one of the two have to be dynamic and explosive,

656
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: Like I'm all for you know, look, instinctive power, you know,

657
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: those are great elements in the back. But if I've

658
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 1: got that the other guy buck, I want that guy

659
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: to be able to freaking go. And you watch Kenneth Walker,

660
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: he can absolutely go. I saw what Jamir Gibbs we

661
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 1: referenced earlier.

662
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: He can fly.

663
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 1: You see all these some of these undersized backs that

664
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: are making plays each and every week. Like, I just

665
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 1: think that the speed, the speed of the running back

666
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: is kind of back.

667
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: It's it's back in business.

668
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 3: Oh, it has to be. You have to have the

669
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 3: ability to produce big plays.

670
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 4: Like it's a correlation between explosive plays and putting points

671
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 4: on the board. If you don't have anyone that can

672
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 4: take into distance, it's hard to have ten play drives,

673
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 4: four and five plays at four and five yards at

674
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 4: a time. You need to have at least one back

675
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 4: to have some major juice. And I would suggest two

676
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 4: out of you three, you need to have some big

677
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 4: play potential.

678
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, and then you saw it, you know,

679
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,479
Speaker 5: in the in the past game with Kenneth Walker right

680
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 5: on that sixty and he just he was out the gate.

681
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 5: And you know you saw that at Michigan State that

682
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 5: final year. I mean, he had a ton of explosive plays,

683
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 5: you know, a bunch of them in the run game,

684
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 5: more so in the past game. But he Yeah, that

685
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 5: is a terrific one two punch because Charbona makes you

686
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 5: feel it right when you're gonna come at him, He's

687
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 5: gonna make you feel it. And Kenneth Walker has has everything,

688
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 5: all the juice you want. Had a running back that's

689
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 5: a that is a potent attack, and a physical offensive

690
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 5: line too up there in Seattle.

691
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and an offensive line that I'm I don't know,

692
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: if they had a get together. I would imagine like

693
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: if I'm if I'm in that offensive line group and

694
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: I know, I've got the commanders coming up, and they

695
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: want to trade Montes sweat and Chase hung before.

696
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: You play him. Hey, I'm good, let's have at. Let's

697
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: have at.

698
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: We'll have a little Mexican food and maybe have a

699
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: little get together with the offensive line. Just kind of

700
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: enjoy our enjoy our evening together. Because that does not

701
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: look like the same Washington defensive front. They couldn't get

702
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: any pressure. Sam Howell played good guys, He's a good player. Right,

703
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: I'll jump over to you on this one. But I'm

704
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: watching him going like they've got a quarter.

705
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 2: He's their guy.

706
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 5: He can be I feel like that that that's the

707
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 5: part of the piece of the discussion here. I mean

708
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 5: the way that he leads him down and throws that

709
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 5: touchdown late to to kind of give him through. I mean,

710
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 5: big t Diami Brown, you know, love that obviously, the

711
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 5: built in connection there and all that, But I mean,

712
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 5: how about the off schedule play just to get it

713
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 5: to be to Brian Robinson for the first touchdown. Now,

714
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 5: they went quiet for way too long in that game offensively,

715
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 5: I don't know if you put all that on how though.

716
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 5: I mean, he's been efficient, Yeah, he's thrown some picks.

717
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 5: He's been sacked a bunch. They have got to improve

718
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 5: that offensive line like that is now now. I mean,

719
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 5: like I was gonna say it's priority one, but I

720
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 5: don't have any edge rushers anymore, so like it's kind.

721
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: Of line I want to help the quarterback out.

722
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, you got to, and we'll get to that. I

723
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 5: know we got we'll have a pretty interesting discussion on

724
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 5: helping out your young quarterback on the video show this week.

725
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 5: But Sam Howe, I think has proven at this point

726
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 5: in the season that he deserves the opportunity to be

727
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 5: QB one going into next year. And now it's about supporting.

728
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, who knew you do, Caroline? Who knew?

729
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: Bucke's Alma Waters a quarterback factory? Drake may coming. We

730
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: got Sam Howell playing great? Who knew?

731
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 4: And he looks he's even connecting with Theammy Brown Toury connection.

732
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 4: So like Sam Howe, I would say it has exceeded

733
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 4: expectations because it hasn't been perfect for him, and you're

734
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 4: right that offensive line is very leaky, but his leadership ability,

735
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 4: but his passing skills he certainly has it.

736
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 3: They got to steal the fact he's a fifth round pick.

737
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 4: And the amount of money they're paying him for what

738
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 4: they're getting, it should allow them to build up the

739
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 4: rest of their team.

740
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, good point.

741
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's keep it rolling here. Bucky, you're

742
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: up next. This is a game again. I try and

743
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: get as many of these as I can't watch as

744
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: much tape. I did not see any of this game.

745
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: I have not seen any tape of this game. So

746
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see what went down here with the

747
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: Browns coming back and beating the Ravens thirty three to

748
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: thirty one.

749
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 4: Such a weird game, right, But so you look up

750
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 4: and I mean the Ravens are just shell lacking the Browns.

751
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 4: I mean, just up and down the field. You're seeing

752
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson half his way. You see an early run

753
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 4: from Keyton Mitchell. He does what he does evidently, which

754
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 4: is a breakout for thirty five plus yard run for

755
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 4: a touchdown early and the.

756
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 2: Other speed guy sitting all speed guys, you know.

757
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 4: And so you see that, you see a vintage Odell

758
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 4: Beckham junior moment. He catches the slang and throws up

759
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 4: the deuces, and you begin to think that the Ravens

760
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 4: are gonna blow them out, and then the game just

761
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 4: kind of takes an odd turn in the late stages.

762
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson, after struggling the first part of the game,

763
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 4: he kind of finds a rhythm. They make a couple

764
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 4: of plays and they find themselves in it. And then

765
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,239
Speaker 4: DeShawn Washson earned a little, I would say a lot

766
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 4: of respect from his teammates and his coaches just by

767
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 4: hanging in there and battling. It wasn't pretty, but he

768
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 4: made enough plays to put him back in the mix,

769
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 4: and lo and behold, they walk away with the win

770
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 4: and a gang of confidence, thinking that they may be

771
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 4: able to compete despite all the deficiencies that they have

772
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 4: on their offensive side of the ball.

773
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, you love to feel like you

774
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 5: all you've got way up there. I feel like you

775
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 5: love to keep a little lower, a little lower, Yeah,

776
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 5: go all the way down even just put it on you.

777
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 5: I think with Baltimore, like, I love that they can

778
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,719
Speaker 5: put the points up right. I love that they can

779
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 5: come out And obviously Kyle Hamilton's work at the beginning

780
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 5: of the game, I mean that was that was a

781
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 5: lot right, incredible athleticism. But I think I just I

782
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 5: would love the Ravens to still have that ability to

783
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 5: put a game away in the fourth quarter, like you

784
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 5: were up fourteen points in the fourth quarter, Like, let's

785
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 5: salt that thing away the way that we've seen the

786
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 5: Ravens ground and pound, like, I love that they could

787
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 5: throw it around a little bit more this year, but

788
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 5: I still want to see them assert their dominance, you

789
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 5: know in the ground game.

790
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 2: What happened on the.

791
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: Pick six, because again I'm looking at the notes on

792
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: the game. I haven't seen the game.

793
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 4: I just got deflected, log got deflected, bug got deflected.

794
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 4: K Newsom comes out of know where, it makes a

795
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 4: great play, goes and takes the other way.

796
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 3: But Red, you bring up a big point.

797
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 4: All three of the Ravens' losses have come when they've

798
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 4: had leads, significant leads, and they haven't been Pittsburgh.

799
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 2: They blew that game.

800
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 3: Yeah so so so now I'm beginning to wonder.

801
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 4: I know they wanted to move away from that run

802
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 4: heavy attack, that they would utilize it under Greg Roman,

803
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 4: but I do want to if they were running ball

804
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 4: like that where they have lost these games.

805
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 5: And so once once they developed the fourteen point lead,

806
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 5: they ran the ball three more times from nine minutes

807
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 5: on in the fourth quarter. Interesting, Yeah, three times, just weird,

808
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 5: Like it just does when they're built to do that.

809
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 5: They're built to put a team away more than anybody.

810
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 4: They should be their mentality should be able to grind

811
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,720
Speaker 4: it out and kind of punch people in the ribs

812
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 4: and kind of get them.

813
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 3: Up out of there. But but they haven't.

814
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 4: And so you now look at this division and it's

815
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 4: all muddled up and they have a tough game.

816
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 3: I think next week they play the Bengals. Are the Steelers.

817
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 3: They have another division game, they have another division.

818
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 5: Game, Bengals. Yeah. So so now that's Thursday night.

819
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: It's great day. We got a good one Thursday night.

820
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 3: That's like that's like a loser leave town match, and

821
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 3: like so.

822
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 4: It's a big game because you're gonna look up and

823
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 4: you're representative from them, you know if the Pittsburgh Stellers.

824
00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 2: Oh maybe, Man, that's what it's gonna be. All right,

825
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 2: let's keep it rolling here. RTT. What's the next game?

826
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, next one is the twenty twenty three debut of

827
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 5: one Kyler Murray for the Arizona Cardinals getting the first start.

828
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 5: What kind of a wacky wild world that's been at

829
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 5: quarterback in Arizona, right, I mean, we thought for so

830
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 5: long it was going to be Colt McCoy starting week one.

831
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 5: He then gets jettison. Josh Dabbs comes in week before,

832
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 5: starts the first eight games, Clayton tuone starts one at

833
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 5: the disaster, and then Murray comes back kind of to

834
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 5: save the day here week ten. Now, look, there was

835
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 5: definitely a little bit of rust. He was off kind

836
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 5: of uncharacteristically on a few throws that he normally makes.

837
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 5: But man, he had He had a beautiful sideline throw

838
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 5: to Trey McBride, who, by the way, is coming. He

839
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 5: started to play as a tight end now like Colorado

840
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 5: State second round pick I think two years ago. Now,

841
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 5: I mean, is really coming to play.

842
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 2: Now.

843
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 5: There's some I thought he had which was kind of

844
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 5: I kind of view Kyler as as a little bit

845
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 5: of a you know, a wild card in terms of

846
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 5: fundamentals and mechanics, right, because he can do it from

847
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 5: all over the place. But he had some textbook mechanical

848
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 5: stuff that looks really good. Rolling left gadget play. He stops,

849
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 5: resets his feet, gets his hips in the right direction,

850
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 5: throws a perfect strike all the way across the field

851
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 5: for an explosive play, but then still has some of

852
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 5: those those throws were unnecessarily kind of like fades away

853
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 5: throws one that goes incomplete. But I think the biggest

854
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 5: revelation in this game his knee is okay, Like it

855
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 5: is it is all good, Like you see him take

856
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 5: it down and scramble when he sees open grass. He's

857
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 5: got a read option that he pulls for a touchdown

858
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 5: down inside the ten. And then that wild run right

859
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 5: on third and ten, he runs seventy four yards to

860
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 5: pick up I think fourteen on a conversion. And by

861
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 5: the way, DJ, you'll love this on the GPS, he

862
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 5: went over twenty miles an hour on that throw. I

863
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 5: think that that the theme of this thing is Kyler

864
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 5: makes the Cardinals dangerous against any opponent.

865
00:36:58,920 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 2: Here.

866
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 5: Now the question is what does this do for them

867
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 5: from a from a roster development standpoint, Like you know,

868
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 5: like we're are you going to see enoughing Kyler over

869
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 5: the course of the next eight weeks where you're like.

870
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: Dude, that that that that decision might be made for him,

871
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: right because if the season and today they're picking fourth.

872
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're gonna be you're gonna be out of luck.

873
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: So they're out of the they're out of that market.

874
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 2: So that that, you know, it's interesting.

875
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: We'll start keeping an eye on the draft order as

876
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: we you know, as we go through the second half

877
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: of the season here, because that's a storyline we got

878
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on. But you know, I'm looking

879
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: at the other side.

880
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 3: Man.

881
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: It's for as much as the Jets get talked about

882
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: as being quarterback challenged, man, the Falcons just they're wasting

883
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: a lot of good players on that side of the ball.

884
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 5: Three catches for Drake London, three catches for Kyle Pitts.

885
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: At least they gave b Jon Robinson the ball this week.

886
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 5: Twenty two carries. Yeah, that was nice.

887
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: He did good stuff. Not enough five yards on a touchdown.

888
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: They only threw him at once. But I mean, I

889
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: don't know, they're frush. I don't want to We we

890
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: kind of talk about the Falcons every week.

891
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: A little frustrated. Somebody's frustrated.

892
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: They're frustrating Buck when you see that many good players

893
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: at the skill positions and they're just there's something like,

894
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 1: can you you tell me, Buck, if you if you

895
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 1: had all the those bills. That bills offense you around,

896
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: what if you didn't have a quarterback, you didn't have

897
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: Jim Kelly there at that time those guys, you guys been.

898
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 2: Pulling your hair out.

899
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 5: Well this one for a second too, and sorry bucketting

900
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 5: me to cutch off. So we're getting to the point

901
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 5: where the Falcons are gonna have to make a call

902
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 5: on Kyle Pitts's fifth year option, Like it's gonna come up.

903
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 5: I think it might come up.

904
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 1: It up because you can trade him. You just pick

905
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: it up, because even if you don't know how to

906
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: use him, you'll be.

907
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 5: Get do you think, oh I think?

908
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 2: I mean at worst you get a one two.

909
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 5: At worst you're.

910
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: Getting it to you might get a late you might

911
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: get a mid to late one.

912
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,919
Speaker 5: Well, just with the way that offense is constructed to play,

913
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 5: I mean, like does it matter if you have him

914
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 5: or you don't in Atlanta? I mean, why not go

915
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 5: get I mean, if you're not going to use it

916
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 5: that way, they might as well, you know, try to

917
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 5: get something for him, right.

918
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: I know one thing I'd call in the Charger games,

919
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: he can come to the Chargers because I would love

920
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: to see him with that all.

921
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 2: Just add another add another tree topper to that list. Yeah,

922
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: it is, it is.

923
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 4: I could see the frustration when it comes to Atlantic,

924
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 4: because you would think we all thought this offense was

925
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 4: gonna be high powered. I thought they'd be able to

926
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 4: score points regardless who the quarterback was. I thought'd be

927
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 4: able to the explosiveness that they had on the outside,

928
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 4: and they just haven't been able to do it. Arthur

929
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 4: Smith is obviously frustrated the quarterback play has not been

930
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 4: what he wanted. Towne Heinekee was the quarterback. Then he

931
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 4: gets hurt. So then Desert Ritter comes back in. He's

932
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 4: just not good enough. We'll see, because this is going

933
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 4: to be one where they rude the lost opportunity to

934
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 4: win the division because the division is right different than

935
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 4: the take.

936
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 2: Man, they know that get it done now.

937
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: They can't get out of their wrong way, all right,

938
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: the Vikings they beat the Saints. The Josh Dobbs movie.

939
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: You know, this is like a Disney movie. Man, the

940
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: way this thing's all coming together for him after this trade,

941
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: gets thrust right into the lineup, has a solid game,

942
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: and this one it was a slow start. Took him

943
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: a while to get going. Watching the tape on that

944
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: I was curious to see how much they were going

945
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: to use some design quarterback runs. He's so athletic, and

946
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: I saw the eight carries for forty four yards, but

947
00:39:58,760 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: just two zone riad keepers.

948
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 2: That was it.

949
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: Everything else is kind of organic coming out of the play,

950
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: and he's able to scramble and make some things happen there.

951
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: But the other thing I was thinking of, and I

952
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 1: was talking to read about this a little earlier, Buck,

953
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: but I mean the Vikings, maybe more so anybody else.

954
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: They might have executed like the two best trades of

955
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: the last few years. And and not say that didn't

956
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: work out for the other teams, because obviously Stefan Diggs

957
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: has been a good player for the for the Bills.

958
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: But in that trade they get Justin Jefferson, So that's

959
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: they take a young they get rid of the veteran,

960
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: take the young player. Then they trade a pick for TJ. Hockinson,

961
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: which has been an excellent player for them. He had

962
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: a huge day man eleven for a buck thirty four

963
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: in a touchdown, And when I watched the tape of him,

964
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: I loved him as a blocker coming out, and I

965
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: thought he was going to be a solid tight end.

966
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: He maybe hasn't been as dominant a blocker as I

967
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: thought he would, but he's been a better receiver then

968
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: I thought he would.

969
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 2: But he's a good.

970
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: Player, and I saw some savvy on him, like he

971
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: can really get up on your toes and then he's

972
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 1: able to lean and nod and stick and go. He

973
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: he's polished right now. I almost wonder if if Justin

974
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: Jefferson's helped him some it just to develop some more

975
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: nuance and some more polish to his game.

976
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 4: I wondered, I mean, I wondered that when it comes

977
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 4: to that, Like Dave Hockinson talked about the connection here

978
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 4: and Josh Dobbs have evidently the off season they used.

979
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 3: To throw to one another over and over and over again.

980
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 3: Maybe they shared the same agent.

981
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 4: Mike Mack might be both of their representatives, but they

982
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 4: thrown to each other going back to Dopps. Unless I

983
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 4: misremember the evaluation, I don't remember him running a lot

984
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 4: at Tennessee. I remember he ran some, but I don't

985
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 4: remember him being the choice.

986
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 2: But he could, but he could, but he could run

987
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: like the.

988
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 4: Dude that I'm seeing in the Minnesota Vikers uniform. I'm like, hey, man,

989
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 4: this dude is like super athletic with a little swag

990
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 4: and a little flare. I feel like he's fully come

991
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 4: into the confident version of the quarterback that is playing.

992
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 4: And look, it'll be interesting what happens for him at

993
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 4: the end of the season. But this is a really

994
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 4: solid Minnesota team and I don't think we can speak

995
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 4: enough about but they've done defensively to really up the annie.

996
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 3: Brian Floyes has really been a nice get for them.

997
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 4: They're playing really good defense, They're really throwing a bunch

998
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 4: of things at opposing quarterbacks, and they're going to kind

999
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 4: of climb into conversation as a playoff team because Kevin

1000
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 4: O'Connor has done a really good job.

1001
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 3: And then she said, what are they? Are? They one

1002
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 3: and four with without with Justin Jefferson, but five and

1003
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 3: zero without him.

1004
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 2: It's pretty crazy.

1005
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 5: When he gets that doesn't mean anything to me.

1006
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 2: Du back, No, no, no.

1007
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 4: But when he gets back though, because remember early New

1008
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 4: Year they were kind of force feed him, is this

1009
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 4: now a more balanced offense when it comes to ball

1010
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 4: distribution when Justin Jefferson comes.

1011
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 1: I looked up the notes because you got me thinking.

1012
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: So I'm back to twenty seventeen, Josh Dobbs was six

1013
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 1: zho three three two sixteen ran a four to six

1014
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: four my notes gun spread, some half rolls, some zone reads.

1015
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: Some QB sweeps. So he did run the ball. I'll

1016
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 2: get there. He can avoid climb in the pocket.

1017
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: Full field you'll see full field read is gonna win delivery.

1018
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,479
Speaker 2: How about the topp are here, guys the last line

1019
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 2: I'm on. My thing had a great Senior Bowl week.

1020
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 5: Swear we do this, We do this every week, Like

1021
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 5: what is again?

1022
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: I guess that that that you know, that week of

1023
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: practice for the quarterbacks, and I guess we got to

1024
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: start we got to start putting more into that man,

1025
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: because I just keep seeing this, well Dak Prescott him

1026
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: like there's there's I swear we've done this seven times this.

1027
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 5: Year where we've talked about that, and we're going to

1028
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 5: see more dudes, more high level dudes now with now

1029
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 5: being eligible. But let me just one quick thing on

1030
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 5: the Saints as the part of that game. You know,

1031
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 5: the Saints kind of had a little brief resurgence there

1032
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 5: the last couple of weeks, and I thought, you know,

1033
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 5: at least in my opinion, Taysom Hill in the rediscovery

1034
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 5: of his abilities as a Swiss Army knife type of weapon.

1035
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 5: It was a big part of that resurgence offensively.

1036
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 3: And come back.

1037
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 2: In this game, he's got three touches.

1038
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, ran the ball once, was targeted a couple of times,

1039
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 5: caught two balls. Michael Thomas, by the way, played just

1040
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 5: two snaps in this game. I know there was some

1041
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 5: weird kind of legal legal stuff going on that week.

1042
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 5: I don't know how much that might have played into it,

1043
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 5: but at Perry, by the way, had a really good

1044
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 5: East West Shrine Bowl week. Yeah, at Perry came in big,

1045
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 5: big frame at his first career touchdown. But I just

1046
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 5: still think they've got to find ways to get taste,

1047
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 5: get the ball in Taysom Hill's hands one way or another.

1048
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 5: I know, like you can't spend the entire game and

1049
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 5: some of those gadget looks with him, but man, they're

1050
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 5: different when he's contributing and impacting the game.

1051
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 2: Interesting.

1052
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, he's a solid player. They need him

1053
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 4: because he has been impactful with the games.

1054
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 3: That they played.

1055
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 2: Well.

1056
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 4: He's had a big role in the offense as a

1057
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 4: runner and as a gadget utility player.

1058
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: All Right, last one we're going to hit on in

1059
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: depth here, and that is the Steelers beating the Packers

1060
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: Buck as you mentioned a little bit earlier, kind of

1061
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: joking but not joking. Steelers has got a good chance

1062
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: to win this division.

1063
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 4: MAN six and three DJ six and three, and that

1064
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 4: they find a way to win without gaining more yards

1065
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 4: than their opponent. It is the biggest magic trick that

1066
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 4: we have seen. If they can hold the opponent to

1067
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 4: under twenty two points, they find a way to win.

1068
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 4: And they did it again with the Packers. They just

1069
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 4: kind of piece millet together, hodgepodge, whatever you want to

1070
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 4: call it.

1071
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 3: They were able to get two hundred and five rushing yards,

1072
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 3: which is significant.

1073
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 4: Jayden Warren has kind of been the guy. It's kind

1074
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 4: of funny because and watching them feel level. Jayden Warren

1075
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 4: no more juice, Yeah, some juice. He makes some things happen.

1076
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 4: But they're finally running the ball. With both of those guys,

1077
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 4: they kind of they committed in this game to running

1078
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 4: the football and made life easier for Kenny Pickett. If

1079
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 4: they're going to be this defensive led team and they

1080
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 4: can run the football, they can make life miserable because

1081
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 4: they can get the game into the fourth quarter, and

1082
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 4: they have shown that they are very comfortable in these

1083
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 4: uncomfortable moments where you have to get a play in

1084
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter. Mike Tomlin continues to pull out these

1085
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 4: rabbits out of pass. I don't know how he does it,

1086
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 4: but they're six and three and it's probably one of

1087
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 4: the biggest miracles that I've ever seen.

1088
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was watching them or watching the tape of

1089
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: this game. I tweeted out Brodick Jones and he's he's

1090
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: he is a stud like they. I don't know what

1091
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 1: took him so long to get him in the lineup

1092
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: and get him going, but there they had I think

1093
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: eight explosive runs and I want to say six or

1094
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: were right behind him, or he's either got the key

1095
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: block on the backside cutting guys off, or he's working

1096
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: up to a linebacker. He's a key, key component to

1097
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: why this run game has has got cranked up so

1098
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 1: and not a surprise there. I think, you know, Omar

1099
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: Khn and Andy Wide or good friends, they've known each

1100
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: other forever. They get paired up. They I think they

1101
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,919
Speaker 1: believe Omar has seen the Steelers when they were really good,

1102
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: how they were a line of scrimmage. Team Andy is

1103
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: is Buck and you know as well read from Philadelphia

1104
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: and Baltimore understands this is not rocket science, right like you,

1105
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: I was talking about Detroit earlier. You went at the

1106
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. You invest in the offensive line, you

1107
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: invest in the defensive line, and you go off you go.

1108
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: And I was even thinking about, you know, watching this game,

1109
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: I was comparing the Steelers, who the way that they play,

1110
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting here scratching my head, going, why aren't

1111
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 1: the Jets trying to do this like that? That doesn't

1112
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: make any sense to me. The Jets are throwing it

1113
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: twice as much as they're running it. They can't run

1114
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: the ball. Zack Wilson's there, you know, their best. You know,

1115
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,479
Speaker 1: I think they are the most yards on the ground

1116
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: this last week. But I'm sitting there going like this

1117
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: is the Steelers know who they are. They don't care

1118
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: about style points. It's all bottom line. We're gonna we're

1119
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: gonna try and beat you up as best we can,

1120
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: and we're gonna have one more point than you do

1121
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 1: at the end of the day.

1122
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 2: Book it looks.

1123
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 3: I love it. It is.

1124
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 5: It's funny and finally, finally, you know, like just understanding.

1125
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 5: It took you know, as you mentioned, it took a

1126
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 5: while to get proderct Jones in the lineup. It took him.

1127
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 5: It took a while to realize like, hey, you know,

1128
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 5: when we could pound this thing, you know we're gonna

1129
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 5: be in the game. We're going to control the pace

1130
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 5: of the game. So even if we're not putting up

1131
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 5: four hundred and fifty yards a game, we're going to

1132
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 5: control the game and be in it at the end

1133
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 5: and have a chance to win it at the end,

1134
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 5: which you know, like they did here and then they

1135
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 5: got a big play from the defense, uh Monte case

1136
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 5: and then interception on Jordan Love at the end of

1137
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 5: the game. So I I like this formula for Pittsburgh.

1138
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 5: It just fits Buck.

1139
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: They know who they are, man. I mean, I think

1140
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: you kind of get you talked earlier, Buck, you brought

1141
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: up a great point about the Lions. I actually said,

1142
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: this is funny because I said this during the broadcast

1143
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: of the game and you echoed it, which is, I'm

1144
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 1: a believer and some people think it's hokier cliche.

1145
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 2: I'm a believer that you take on the personality of

1146
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 2: your head coach.

1147
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: I don't think that's I don't think that's some goofy,

1148
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 1: you know, cliche fans speak. I think that's real and

1149
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: I think that if you look at Detroit, that is

1150
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell. His identity sprinkled all over that team and

1151
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: how they play. I don't know if it was say

1152
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 1: a team that epitomizes that more than the Pittsburgh Steelers

1153
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 1: of Mike Tomlin.

1154
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, just man, look at a no blink. They're not

1155
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 4: fearful of anything. They take on all the challenges. You

1156
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 4: don't hear many excuses coming from their end, and they

1157
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 4: just kind of play that way like it is ugly.

1158
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 4: It's kind of like that muckball. They did talk about it,

1159
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 4: but they kind of embrace it. And I think in

1160
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 4: that city you can do it because Pittsburgh they're bottom

1161
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 4: line city and you talk about just winning no matter

1162
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 4: what it looks like, don't worry about style points. They

1163
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 4: do it, but they're going to mess around and have

1164
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 4: enough confidence where everyone else around them is going to

1165
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 4: They're going to give wrap them the division and we're

1166
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 4: gonna look up. They're gonna be a top four seed

1167
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 4: and everyone's gonna say, how were they able to get

1168
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 4: this done without the offensive efficiency that you would expect

1169
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 4: a high end team to have.

1170
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 2: You guys play ping pong, by the way, Oh yeah, I.

1171
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 3: Can play a little ping fairy.

1172
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, I knew Bucky hand eye.

1173
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 2: You know you can tell Boys and Girls Club. Boys

1174
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 2: and girls play.

1175
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: The Boys and Girls Club too. It was just I

1176
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: think it might have been when I was growing up, though,

1177
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: I think it might even have just been the boys club.

1178
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 2: That's how it was. They boys.

1179
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: But do you remember, I mean you've played against Buck,

1180
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: you know, you play against those guys. Were like, I'm

1181
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: spinning it and I'm cutting it and then the guy

1182
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: on the other side just go think think your men

1183
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: hit it back over, just waiting for you to hit

1184
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: it off the table, hit it into the net.

1185
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 2: That's all I done. That's the Pittsburgh Steelers in this division.

1186
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 5: That's to be fun, kid, fun.

1187
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 1: We're just gonna get it over the net. Eventually, you're

1188
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: gonna try and do something cute. You're gonna try and

1189
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: slam it and you're gonna miss. You're gonna try and

1190
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: put some backspen. You're gonna hit the net, and the

1191
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: Steelers just.

1192
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 2: Good, think think, think, that's it. What's the score? Oh,

1193
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 2: twenty one sixteen?

1194
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 3: See later?

1195
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 2: Good game?

1196
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 5: All right?

1197
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: Anything else you guys want to have from these other games?

1198
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: We've got Colts, Pats, Jets, Raiders, let's not do that, Titans, Bucks, Giants, Cowboys.

1199
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 2: Anything you want to hit.

1200
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 5: On Ceedee Lamb. I mean, I think anybody who questioned

1201
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 5: Ceedee Lamb's you know, status as a number one wide

1202
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 5: receiver in this league earlier in the year is I

1203
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 5: think the only dude since nineteen seventy that's had three

1204
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 5: consecutive games of ten or more catches, one hundred and

1205
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 5: fifty more receiving yards, and plus he ran one in

1206
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 5: They they're obviously emphasizing getting him the football, which pays off.

1207
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 5: He's had some of the it has been the most

1208
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 5: productive stretch of any Cowboys receiver in Cowboys franchise history.

1209
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,919
Speaker 5: It has some pretty good ones, I think. So it's

1210
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 5: that they're they're rocket and and obviously the Giants are

1211
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 5: in major trouble.

1212
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, they got some work to do. Uh, it's kind

1213
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: of a mess. Buck, Colts, Patriots, Mac Jones.

1214
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 2: I think that's it.

1215
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: I mean, as we're hasn't been announced, i'd be shocked

1216
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: if he's starting next week.

1217
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 4: Man, just just so bad, like how did it go

1218
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 4: so interaction like just Bill, yeah, yeah, just all bad.

1219
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 4: And just to hear him afterwards, just man, he just

1220
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 4: sounds like the dog has been beaten to a pulp.

1221
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:30,760
Speaker 3: You know, it just doesn't have any confidence.

1222
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,280
Speaker 4: And to think that he was a pro Bowl player,

1223
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 4: a player that had him in the playoffs as a rookie,

1224
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 4: and to see where he's at now is look, man,

1225
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 4: it's almost it's a sad state of affairs. But it's

1226
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 4: a sad state of affairs in New England because you

1227
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 4: see him team and.

1228
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 5: This is well, look, you've got guys, you've got the

1229
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 5: fans clamoring for Will Greer to start.

1230
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, well listen, listen, listen, just for somebody. The guy's

1231
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: barely played as somebody who's grown up in San Diego,

1232
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: where our only professional sports team is the San Diego Padres,

1233
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: who've never won a World Series. I'm not going to

1234
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: cry a river for anyone in New England for what

1235
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 1: they've got to experience over these years. I don't care

1236
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: what sport is. They went like zillion titles and every

1237
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: single they were like they're okay, they can. This is

1238
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: what the rest of the world has to feel like

1239
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: when these these two win, you know, two wins starts.

1240
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: That's real life, baby, That's what the rest of the

1241
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: league had over the last thirty years. You're just getting

1242
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: a little taste of it.

1243
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 3: You know.

1244
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: I struggle to find any uh uh, any sympathy for

1245
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: for all the success that they've had up there.

1246
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 2: But it is ugly. It is not an easy watch.

1247
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,919
Speaker 3: So yeah, so bad. It's just so amazing to see

1248
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 3: them may.

1249
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: Antonio Pierce buck Antonio Pierce hats off Man two.

1250
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 2: And oh how about that.

1251
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 4: I bet at high school coach just a few years ago,

1252
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 4: long probably down the road. He's been able to bounce

1253
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 4: from dad to take it over the Raiders and got

1254
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 4: them going to and oh, given victory mondays.

1255
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: You know what I was thinking of is like, who

1256
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 1: was it when they were going to be blue collar

1257
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: and they wore like, uh, they were preaching they were

1258
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: going to be collar and they wore like the trucker

1259
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: shirts or whatever they had their name.

1260
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 3: Jim Harbaugh did that once, Jim, thank you.

1261
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: Yes Harbaugh did that, absolutely, yes, he had that those

1262
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,479
Speaker 1: those shirts. Because I was thinking if I was Antonio Pierce.

1263
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: I will wear a shirt that just says not Josh,

1264
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: that's it.

1265
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 2: That's all.

1266
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: That's all it would say, because that seems to be

1267
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: like that's the that's the key, you know, I don't

1268
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: know what, I don't know. Josh McDaniels. It seems like

1269
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: a nice enough guy when I've been around him. But man,

1270
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 1: they were I've never seen a group that was happy

1271
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: to have somebody not care as that is. And that

1272
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: seems like it was coaching and uh and players and

1273
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: it seems like they're playing like they're not a great team,

1274
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: they're not super talented, but they're hanging in there. They're

1275
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: in the mix in AFC.

1276
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you talk about a team just making it

1277
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 4: about the players on offense, just making it about the players.

1278
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 3: They even give it to Josh Jacobs, DeVante.

1279
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 4: Adams how to Renfro has been brought back into the

1280
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 4: mix in terms of being able to get involved and

1281
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 4: get on the field, and and O'Connell has done a

1282
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 4: really good job of just managing the game. Nice to

1283
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 4: road to Michael Mara for a touchdown. So yeah, they're

1284
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 4: able to get it. So, I mean, here they are

1285
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 4: with five and six six and five whatever they are.

1286
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 4: They kind of in the conversation.

1287
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 2: Yep, no doubt.

1288
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: All right, Well, we've got four more shows coming your

1289
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: way this week, so one today, including our video show

1290
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: tomorrow which you can check out. That streams at four

1291
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: pm Pacific every Tuesday. So that is on the NFL

1292
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: fash channels where you can find that. But that's going

1293
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:20,399
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1294
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: already like us, you could subscribe.

1295
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,840
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1296
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:27,840
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1297
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,879
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1298
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Speaker 1: out on social media, draft talk is coming. It's right

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Speaker 1: around the corner. We are getting there. As we start

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Speaker 1: getting towards Thanksgiving holiday.

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Speaker 5: They have a little show too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we could have a little bit of that tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: So the light starts coming on and flickering, so we'll

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Speaker 1: get that going here soon. Appreciate you guys hanging with us.

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Speaker 1: We'll catch you next time. Right here on movement six,

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Speaker 1: Bett