1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:01,760 Speaker 1: Welcome. 2 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 2: It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with you, 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 2: and we have got a very important show. 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: First, we're going to deal with the debt ceiling. 5 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 2: Then we're going to deal with what Barack Obama said 6 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 2: back in twenty eleven about the fourteenth Amendment that everyone 7 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 2: seems to be really excited about right now in Washington. 8 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: And also bud Light could they be in trouble for 9 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 2: marketing themselves potentially to children. We're going to deal with 10 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 2: all of that, plus the passing of a great Republican 11 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: leader who passed away today will tell you about his 12 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 2: story in life as well. But Senator, let's first start 13 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 2: with this debt ceiling. The debt ceiling issue is confusing 14 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 2: too many and there's a lot of Americans that say, 15 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 2: I just want to know what's gonna happen, where we're 16 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 2: going to be, what happens if we default, and is 17 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: that a real possibility, because we've seen this circus happen 18 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: quite a few times. You've been in Washington when this 19 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 2: circus comes to town leaves, and it's also you there's 20 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: this political leverage many times by the party that's in 21 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 2: power in the White House. So where are we on 22 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: the debt ceiling before we get to the fourteenth Amendment. 23 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 3: Well, right now, we're in a showdown, and we're in 24 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 3: a showdown between Joe Biden and Republicans, in particular House 25 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 3: Republicans who've passed a bill to raise the debt ceiling, 26 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 3: but they put meaningful spending cuts as an attachment to 27 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 3: the debt ceiling, and Joe Biden and the Democrats don't 28 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 3: want to have any spending cuts. It's worth stepping back 29 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 3: and saying, right, what is the debt ceiling? Because this 30 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 3: is these are terms that get bannied about. We usually 31 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 3: hear about them once or twice a year. And the 32 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 3: death ceiling is a cap on how much money the 33 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 3: federal government can borrow, and Congress passes it periodically, and 34 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 3: then because we keep seeing budgets that are deficit spending, 35 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 3: the debt grows and grows and grows, and when it 36 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 3: hits the death ceiling, in order for the federal government 37 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 3: to borrow more money, Congress has to raise the debt ceiling. 38 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 3: And so that's the battle that's happening right now. The 39 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 3: Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen estimates that what's called the x state, 40 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 3: which is when we will hit the debt ceiling is 41 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 3: honor around June first. Now, it's honor around that because 42 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 3: the Treasury Department has some what are called extraordinary measures. 43 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 3: It has steps that can take where that date is 44 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 3: typically not carved in stone, but is a little bit flexible, 45 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 3: and they can delay it. But what's happening right now. 46 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 3: For months, Joe Biden in the White House has said 47 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 3: he will not negotiate at all. He's not willing to 48 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 3: cut any spending at all, that the only thing he 49 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 3: will take is a blank check to borrow unlimited money. Now, 50 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 3: that was always an unreasonable position, that was always an 51 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 3: extreme position, and one of the best evidences of that 52 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 3: is that Biden's been forced to back away from that. 53 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 3: That On April twenty sixth, so several weeks ago, the 54 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 3: House by a vote of two hundred and seventeen to 55 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 3: two hundre fifteen pass their bill to raise the debt 56 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 3: ceiling and yet at the same time to cut four 57 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 3: point eight trillion dollars from the budget over ten years, 58 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 3: and so the two were attached together. Right now, the 59 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 3: two sides appear to be very far apart. Joe Biden 60 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 3: is insisting instead of cutting spending, he wants to do 61 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 3: guess what, raise taxes. And so they're fighting on a 62 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 3: lot of different issues. One of the big sticking points 63 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 3: is work requirements for welfare. The House Republicans are insisting 64 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 3: that if you're going to get welfare, if you're an 65 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 3: able bodied adult, you should have to look for work 66 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 3: or go to work. The Democrats don't want people to 67 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 3: go to work. They're adamantly opposed to work requirements. So 68 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 3: that's a sticking point. And if the two sides reach 69 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 3: an impass, if they can't reach an agreement, I do 70 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 3: think right now the chances of a default are higher 71 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 3: than they have been any time in recent memory. And 72 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 3: that's dangerous because a fault would be very bad for 73 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 3: the economy. 74 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 2: When you say it's bad for the economy, there's a 75 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 2: lot of people that fearmonger over this. But the reality 76 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: of a default, people say, right, well, if it happened, 77 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 2: what does that really look like? And then how fast 78 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 2: would you be able to undo it and fix it? 79 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 2: Is that even possible to fix it? Or once you default, 80 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,799 Speaker 2: is a damage done and then there's a new normal. 81 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 3: Well, if the United States defaulted, our debt. What it 82 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 3: would mean is that there would be interest due on 83 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 3: bonds that the Treasury Department had sold that the Treasury 84 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 3: Department would fail to pay, and that would be called 85 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 3: a default. And the reaction to that would be that 86 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 3: the credit agencies would downgrade the credit of the United 87 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 3: States government. And when you downgrade the credit, it would 88 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 3: mean that going forward, the federal government would have to 89 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 3: pay a higher interest rate and potentially a significantly higher 90 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 3: interest rate to borrow money in the future. Historically, the 91 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 3: very best credit rating has been the government of the 92 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 3: United States of America, and so shaking that gold standard 93 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 3: is dangerous and it potentially has lots of repercussions throughout 94 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:15,559 Speaker 3: the economy. Now, we should never default on the debt, 95 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 3: and this is an important thing to understand because there's 96 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 3: a lot of scare mongering on this. Even if the 97 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 3: debt ceiling is not raised on June first, we should 98 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 3: not default on the debt. And do you know who 99 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 3: could ensure that? Ben Who's that? Joe Biden? Joe Biden 100 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 3: could stand up. Let me tell you what a responsible 101 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 3: president would say. A responsible president would say, the United 102 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 3: States of America will never, ever, ever default on our debt, 103 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 3: and no matter what happens, we will pay the interest 104 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 3: on our debt. Now, how could he do that? Well, 105 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 3: because every month the revenue that the federal government takes 106 00:05:55,240 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 3: in is significant and is significantly larger than the interest 107 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 3: on the debt. So through what's called prioritization, essentially, the 108 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 3: president could say we're going to pay interest on the 109 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 3: debt first. That would ensure we didn't default. Now, why 110 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 3: doesn't Biden do this? Because he wants to scare people. 111 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 3: He wants to threaten the stock market, he wants to 112 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 3: threaten the bond market. He wants to get people scared 113 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 3: that their four oh one k is going to drop 114 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 3: in value, that there's going to be damage to the economy. 115 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 3: And he's doing this because he's counting on the dishonest 116 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 3: corporate media to blame any risk of default on Republicans. 117 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 3: Right now, it seems to be backfiring. If you look 118 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 3: at the polling right now, a large majority of Americans 119 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 3: believe that we should reign in spending as part of 120 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 3: any effort to raise the debt ceiling. Amazingly enough, and 121 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 3: here's polling numbers in particular that ought to worry the 122 00:06:54,200 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 3: White House fifty eight percent of Democrats believe we should 123 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 3: reign in spending as part of any agreement to raise 124 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 3: the death ceiling. And so Biden is not just to 125 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 3: the left of Republicans, not just to the left of Independence. 126 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 3: He's to the left of a majority of Democrats in 127 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 3: this country. 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That's Augusta Precious Metals dot Com center. 162 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: I go back to the media. 163 00:08:54,960 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 2: They've really tried to label Republicans and the Republicans ideas 164 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 2: plan as extreme, imply that somehow they've gone rogue and 165 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 2: they're going to destroy our economy, and if they're the 166 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 2: ones that would cause these failures to happen and take place, 167 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 2: talk about the Republican plan and why it is not crazy, 168 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 2: it is not extreme, it's actually physically responsible what they're 169 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 2: advocating for. 170 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 3: Well, that that is exactly right, and let's put this 171 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 3: into context. Let's step back for a second and look 172 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 3: at the overall numbers. In twenty seventeen, total federal spending 173 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 3: in the budget was four trillion dollars. That was the 174 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 3: entire federal budget. Total federal revenue was about three point 175 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 3: three trillion dollars, so that means the deficit, doing some 176 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 3: quick math, was about seven hundred million dollars. That was 177 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen. Then we had the pandemic hit. Then 178 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 3: after the pandemic, we had the second pandemic, which was 179 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 3: the pandemic of Democrats hit. With Joe Biden and Schumer 180 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 3: and Pelos taking over Congress. We went from total federal 181 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 3: spending in twenty seventeen of four trillion dollars to today 182 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 3: total federal spending of six point four trillion dollars. So 183 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 3: that's more than a fifty percent increase from twenty seventeen 184 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 3: to today on revenue. So remember twenty seventeen, revenue was 185 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 3: three point three trillion. The Trump tax cuts passed. I 186 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 3: remember the Democrats of the media all says this is 187 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 3: going to devastate federal revenues. It's going to result in 188 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 3: shortchanging the federal government. It was three point three trillion 189 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen. What do you think federal revenues are 190 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 3: this year. 191 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 2: I'm sure there are new records, and I'm sure we're 192 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 2: going to waste every time of it. 193 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 3: Four point eight trillion dollars. So after the tax cuts, 194 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 3: the economy boom. By the way, revenue increased every year 195 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 3: since the tax cuts. That didn't go at down even 196 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 3: for a year. So federal revenues went from three point 197 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 3: three trillion to four point eight brillion. But if you 198 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 3: do the math, the difference between four point eight trillion 199 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 3: in revenue now and six point four trillion in spending 200 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 3: means the deficit is one point five trillion. And what's 201 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 3: happened to the debt. The debt in twenty seventeen was 202 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 3: just over twenty billion. The debt now is thirty one 203 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 3: point eight billion, So it's increased more than fifty percent. 204 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 3: It is massively. I mean, when you look at these numbers, 205 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 3: they're shocking, which is why, thank god, House Republicans are 206 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 3: standing together and they passed I think a very reasonable bill. 207 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 3: They didn't try to solve the whole problem overnight, but 208 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 3: rather they passed a bill that would result in saving 209 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 3: four point eight trillion over ten years. Four point two 210 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 3: trillion of that is in savings directly, and five hundred 211 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 3: and forty seven billion is in savings on interest because 212 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 3: when you save money, you also save on interest over 213 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 3: the ten years going forward. Now, what does it include. 214 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 3: The single biggest piece of it is it reduces discretionary spending, 215 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 3: which is everything that's not mandatory. Mandatory is Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, 216 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 3: but discretionary spending is most of the rest of the budget. 217 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 3: It rolls back spending levels from what they are today 218 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 3: to what they were in December of twenty twenty two. Now, 219 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 3: last I checked, December of twenty twenty two is five 220 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 3: months ago. Remember this, when you see Democrats screaming about 221 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 3: these horrible draconian cuts that they're going to picture Granny 222 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 3: being thrown off a cliff. They're going to picture people 223 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 3: starving in the streets. This budget cuts spending to what 224 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 3: it was five months ago, what it was at Christmas 225 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 3: time of last year. And it's worth asking anyone if 226 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 3: you're at work, if you're talking to your uncle Joe, 227 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 3: if you're talking to your next door neighbor, and they say, gosh, 228 00:12:55,320 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 3: these are big spending cuts, it's worth asking them, was 229 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:04,319 Speaker 3: it the apocalypse five months ago? Would the world end 230 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 3: if we spent as much in the federal government today 231 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 3: as we spent five months ago. That's what Joe Biden 232 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 3: is freaking out about and calling extreme. What this budget 233 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 3: does is it cuts spending to what it was in 234 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 3: December of twenty twenty two, and then it allows spending 235 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 3: to grow at one percent per year going forward. And 236 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 3: what else does it do? It rescinds unspent COVID money. 237 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 3: So there's roughly about thirty billion dollars that Congress appropriated 238 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 3: to deal with COVID. Now, look, even Joe Biden admits 239 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 3: the COVID pandemic the emergency's over. So the Democrats are 240 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 3: saying it is radical and extreme not to spend money 241 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 3: on a pandemic that's over. That doesn't make any sense. 242 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 3: What else does it do it cuts the spending for 243 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 3: the eighty seven thousand new IRS agents that the Democrats 244 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 3: really want to harass the enemies of the White House, 245 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 3: to attack the middle class and the working class. An 246 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 3: overwhelming majority of Americans would love to see those eighty 247 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 3: seven thousand new IRS agents not materialize. And then one 248 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 3: of the biggest things that Democrats are freaking out about 249 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 3: is the work requirements for welfare. And this is just 250 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 3: a real divide. Look, you want to know what today's 251 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 3: Democrats are all about. They're all about paying people not 252 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 3: to work. And I got to say, I think, not 253 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 3: only is that bad policy, but it's cruel. I think 254 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 3: people want to work, they want the dignity of work, 255 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 3: they want to self respect. One of the most amazing 256 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 3: policy results we had when Trump was president we had 257 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 3: Republican majorities in both houses, is seven million Americans came 258 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 3: off of food stamps, which meant seven million people got 259 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 3: to experience the joy of going to work and providing 260 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 3: for their family. And you know, you think about it, 261 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 3: that meant like a single mom would be coming home 262 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 3: in Dallas, Texas, and she'd be carrying two bags of 263 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 3: groceries and she'd set the groceries on the kitchen table, 264 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 3: and her kids would look at her with a newfound 265 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 3: respect because she'd worked and she'd provided for the family, 266 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 3: and she'd look in the mirror and have a new 267 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 3: self respect. I think everyone wants to work, and everyone 268 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 3: who is able to do so should work. And if 269 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 3: you look at welfare reform, which when Bill Clinton was president, 270 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 3: Republicans in the House forced Bill Clinton to sign, and 271 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 3: by the way, Joe Biden voted for. Ironically enough, today 272 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 3: he says work requirements for welfare are extreme and draconian. 273 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 3: He voted for them when he was in the Senate, 274 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 3: and they were an incredible policy success in the nineteen nineties, 275 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 3: just like under Trump. They resulted in millions of people 276 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 3: going back to work and people re entering the workforce 277 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 3: providing for their families. That is unambiguously good and it 278 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 3: helps them in addition to helping everybody else. 279 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: No doubt about that. 280 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 2: I want to ask you also about the fourteenth Amendment, 281 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 2: because a lot of people have been hearing about that. 282 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: What does it actually mean? 283 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 2: Before we get into that, though, I do want to 284 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 2: talk to you real quick about our friends over at 285 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 2: Patriot Mobile. 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Senator, let's talk a little bit about 312 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 2: the fourteenth Amendment. Joe Biden's been talking about this, says 313 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 2: he thinks he has the authority to use the fourteenth 314 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 2: Amendment on the debt ceiling. What's funny about that is 315 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 2: Janet Yellen went on TV on Sunday morning and actually 316 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 2: contradict to that, saying, no, I don't think that we 317 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 2: can use that. There's a lot of mixed signals coming 318 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 2: out of this White House. What is the fourteenth Amendment 319 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 2: and why are Democrats all of a sudden obsessed with it? 320 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 3: Well, democrats hate the debt ceiling. They don't want anything 321 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 3: that constrains spending or that constrains debt. And so this 322 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 3: is an extreme legal theory. I think it's a frivolous 323 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 3: legal theory, but it's something that the radical left is 324 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 3: seizing upon right now. Now, what is the fourteenth Amendment? 325 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 4: Say? 326 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 3: Then, in particular, this focus focuses on section four the 327 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 3: fourteenth Amendment. So the fourteenth Amendment was one of three 328 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 3: amendments that was passed right after the Civil War. The 329 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 3: Thirteenth Amendment end of slavery, the fifteenth Amendment gave African 330 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 3: Americans the right to vote. Their foundational landmark amendments. The 331 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 3: fourteenth Amendment was likewise absolutely foundational, and its most important 332 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 3: provisions ensure everyone gets the equal protection of the laws. 333 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 3: That's called the equal Protection Clause, and also protects the 334 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 3: rights to due process that you cannot have life, liberty, 335 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 3: or property deprived from you by states without due process 336 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 3: of law. And that was incredibly important protection of rights 337 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 3: and especially rights for African Americans who had been enslaved 338 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 3: prior to the Civil War, and the fourteenth Amendment was critical. 339 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 3: It was the first major step and constitutional step to 340 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 3: protecting people's civil rights. Now Section four dealt with something different, 341 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 3: which we'd just come through a civil war. It was 342 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 3: very expensive, and there were a bunch of debts that 343 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 3: the United States had incurred fighting against the Confederacy, and 344 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 3: there were also a bunch of debts the Confederacy had 345 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 3: incurred fighting against the Union, and what the Congress wanted 346 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 3: to do in the fourteenth Amendment is to say, we're 347 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 3: going to pay all the debts of the Union, the 348 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 3: debts that were incurred fighting to keep America whole. But 349 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 3: we're not going to pay the debts of the Confederates. 350 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 3: See the money they borrowed to wage civil war. We're 351 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 3: not going to charge the taxpayers for that. We're not 352 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 3: going to pay that. You're out of luck if you 353 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 3: loan money to fuel the rebellion. So here's what Section 354 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 3: four says. Quote, the validity of the public debt of 355 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 3: the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for 356 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 3: payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection 357 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 3: or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United 358 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 3: States nor any States shall assume or pay any debt 359 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 3: or obligation incurred in aid of an insurrection or rebellion 360 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 3: against the United States, or any claim for the loss 361 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 3: or emancipation of any slave. But all such debts, obligations, 362 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 3: and claims shall be held illegal and void. Now, notice 363 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 3: part of that was saying, Okay, there's no debt for 364 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 3: the slaves who are liberated. It's not like the prior 365 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 3: slave holders could bring a legal claimer say pay us back. 366 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 3: It's like, no, slavery was horrible and evil and it 367 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 3: is ended, and you ain't get nothing. That's what section 368 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 3: four of the Fourteenth Amendment said. Now what has happened 369 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 3: is is the far left has seized upon that, and 370 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 3: in particular the language that says the validity of the 371 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 3: public debt of the United States shall not be questioned. 372 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 3: And they say, well, that means the debt ceiling is 373 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 3: unconstitutional and Biden can just borrow anything he wants. That 374 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 3: position is absurd. It's not what it says. What it 375 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 3: says is that the United States was going to pay 376 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 3: our debts from fighting the Civil War. But and to 377 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 3: be clear, two people who agree with that are Barack 378 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 3: Obama and Joe Biden. 379 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 2: Two days ago, back in the day, in twenty eleven, 380 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 2: Barack Obama actually said this typically about the Fourteenth Amendment 381 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 2: and the debt ceiling. 382 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 1: Listen to Obama back in twenty eleven. 383 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 4: Now, the gentleman asked about the Fourteenth Amendment. 384 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 3: There is. 385 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 4: There's a provision in our constitution that speaks to making 386 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 4: sure that the United States meets its obligations. And there 387 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 4: have been some suggestions that a president could use that 388 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 4: language to basically ignore this debt ceiling rule, which is 389 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 4: a statutory rule, it's not a constitutional rule. I have 390 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 4: talked to my lawyers. They do not they are not 391 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,959 Speaker 4: persuaded that that is a winning argument. 392 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 2: I mean, that's the President of United States of America, 393 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 2: Joe Biden, back in twenty and eleven. Excuse me, Barack Obama, 394 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 2: I say, back in twenty eleven saying that. 395 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, Obama, the same thing. The left was pressing 396 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 3: Obama do this, and Obama was willing to stand up 397 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 3: to him and say, Nope, we can't do it. And 398 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 3: just two three days ago, the left was pressing Biden 399 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 3: to embrace this same wacky claim, and he told Brooke progressives, Nope, nope, 400 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 3: can't do that. And then what happened as Bernie Sanders 401 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 3: gave a speech and said, use the fourteenth Amendment, ignore 402 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 3: the death ceiling. Borrow, borrow, borrow, bankrupt the country. That's 403 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 3: not exactly what he said, it's basically what he said. 404 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 3: And you know what, Biden did the same thing he's 405 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 3: done for two and a half years. Every time Bernie 406 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 3: Sanders in the socialist bark, he rolls over. He does 407 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 3: whatever they say. And so he's was in Hiroshima, Japan 408 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 3: at the G seven. He wasn't even here negotiating on 409 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 3: the dead ceiling, and he said, well, gosh, you know, 410 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 3: I think maybe we can do something on the fourteenth Amendment. 411 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 3: But then he says, yeah, but it'd be challenging court 412 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 3: and it'd be a real problem. So he showed some 413 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 3: leg on the fourteenth Amendment, but the claim would be 414 00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 3: laughed at a court. And there's a reason Janet Yellen, 415 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 3: Biden's Treasury secretary, was on TV yesterday morning on a 416 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 3: Sunday show saying no, no, we can't do that. It 417 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 3: is it's the extreme left in the Democrat Party who 418 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 3: want the debt ceiling eliminated for all time because they 419 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 3: want to borrow us into oblivion. And let me take 420 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 3: another point about even if their argument were right, and 421 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 3: it's not, but if their argument were right, that's something 422 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 3: about section for the fourteenth Amendment constrained what the president 423 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 3: did here. What that would mean is it would mandate 424 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 3: that Joe Biden implement prioritization, do what I said. In 425 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 3: other words, it would mandate at most what the fourteenth 426 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 3: Amendment would say is that when you hit the debt ceiling. 427 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 3: Joe Biden must pay interest on the debt. First, there's 428 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 3: nothing in the fourteenth Amendment that says Joe Biden has 429 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 3: the ability to fund the IRS and the Department of 430 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 3: Labor and every other agency without an appropriation from Congress. 431 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 3: The Constitution's absolutely clear. The power of the purse is 432 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 3: given to Congress, which means the executive cannot spend money 433 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 3: that Congress doesn't appropriate. And so Biden can meet the debt, 434 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 3: and so if he does that, his threat of default 435 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 3: goes away. But there is nothing, There is no credible argument. 436 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 3: In fact, it's absurd. I haven't even heard anyone bother 437 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 3: to make the argument that the fourteenth Amendment would let 438 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 3: Biden do what the left really wants, which is spend 439 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 3: on the entirety of the federal government in perpetuity, even 440 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 3: without Congress acting. That is not the way the Constitution operates, 441 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 3: and it has not been the way the Constitution is 442 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 3: ever operated in over two centuries of our nation's existence. 443 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 2: Lastly, before we move on to this other big topic 444 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 2: with bud Light, if people are listening right now, they say, okay, center, 445 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 2: what do I need to do this week? 446 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: Do they need? What do they need to be doing. 447 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 2: Do they need to call their centers, their congressmen both, 448 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 2: and what should they be asking for? 449 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 3: Look, I think the best solution is support what the 450 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 3: House bill. The House Bill is reasonable, It is a 451 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 3: good solution. It is not extreme. It is a modest, 452 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 3: incremental step that takes makes real progress in reining in 453 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 3: that the out of control spending and debt. It is 454 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 3: a very reasonable offer. Now, at the end of the day, 455 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 3: does anyone think that the House Bill is exactly what 456 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 3: we're going to end up with. No, it's going to 457 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 3: be a negotiate agreement somewhere between Congress and the White House. 458 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,239 Speaker 3: But the White House is gambling that they can just 459 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 3: say hell no, jump in a lake and the media 460 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 3: will protect them. And so everyone listening to this publuckly 461 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 3: speak out, call out the Democrats, call out the White 462 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 3: House to stop gambling with our economy and to accept 463 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 3: the House's very reasonable offer to rein in spending and 464 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 3: start to get our fiscal house in order. 465 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 2: I want to move to another issue, and that is 466 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 2: the issue of bud Light. Senator, you had a very 467 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 2: interesting thing to say on bud Light on Fox and Friends, 468 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 2: talking about the partnership with bud Light with Dylan mulvainey 469 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 2: and the idea that this was potentially marketing purposely to 470 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 2: young people, kids, those under twenty one, which is something 471 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 2: that you're not supposed to do. But if you look 472 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 2: at mulvaney and who her target audiences, it's very clear 473 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 2: that a significant portion of it is twenty one and 474 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 2: well below twenty one. I would bud Light have wanted 475 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 2: to do this. Now, I want to play for everybody 476 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 2: what you said a portion of it on Fox and Friends. 477 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: Listen. 478 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 3: Now you're also on a member of the Congress Committee 479 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 3: and a Commerce committee, I should say, and you want 480 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 3: to investigate what bud Light was doing with Dylan mulvaney. 481 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 4: It destroyed a brand that may not recover. 482 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 3: What's your focus, Well, listen, I can't think of a 483 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 3: company in modern times that has more alienated its customer 484 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 3: base and seem to have so little understanding of who 485 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 3: it is that actually drinks bud Light. But this week 486 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 3: I sent a letter to the CEO of Anheuser Bush 487 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 3: along with Senator Marshall Blackburn, because the CEO of Anheuser 488 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 3: Busch is also the CEO or the chairman of the 489 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 3: Beer Institute which is the regulatory body, the industry regulatory 490 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,959 Speaker 3: body that regulates itself. And one of the rules that 491 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 3: beer companies are supposed to follow is they're not supposed 492 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 3: to market to kids. Remember the whole Joe mccampbell thing, 493 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 3: This is the same thing here. Well, you know what, 494 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 3: Dylan mulvaney. A mass percentage of Dylan Mulvaney's audience are kids, 495 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 3: and Budweiser was trying, I believe, with this ill fated 496 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 3: marketing attempt to target teenagers. If you look at things 497 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 3: Dylan mulvaney has online, it's things like Days of Girlhood. 498 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 3: There's another video where Dylan Mulvaneus is singing my name 499 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 3: is Eloise and I am six. There's another one where 500 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 3: Dylan Molvanius shopping for Barbie dolls. These are clearly things 501 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 3: aimed at teenagers and even children younger than teenagers, which 502 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 3: violates the rules. And so we're calling on the Beer 503 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 3: Institute to investigate the degree to which Anheuser Busch knowingly 504 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 3: was marketing to children in going down this road. Center 505 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 3: you never stopped Center, Ted Cruz, thanks so much, appreciated, Senator. 506 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 2: The idea that they are policing themselves in a sense, 507 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 2: and would investigate themselves. That just in itself seems like 508 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 2: the whole system is rigged that the people that may 509 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 2: have done the campaign are the ones that are regulating 510 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 2: the campaigns. 511 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 3: Well, it's an unusual circumstance, and it so happens that 512 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 3: right now the CEO of Anheuser Busch is also the 513 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 3: chairman of the Beer Institute, which is the industry regulatory body. 514 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 3: It's a self regulatory body that was agreed to. But 515 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 3: one of the things they've agreed to is fairly strict 516 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 3: limitations prohibiting marketing to minors that they're supposed to market 517 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 3: to adults, people twenty one and over. And you know 518 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 3: I mentioned Joe Campbell. You remember there was a hole 519 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 3: they stopped focusing on Joe Cammell in the cigarette contact. 520 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 3: The same principle applies to beer that they're not supposed 521 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 3: to you know, Barney the Dinosaur should not be marketing beer. 522 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,719 Speaker 3: That's fairly obvious. The point that I raise, and this 523 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 3: is a letter that I sent with Senator Marshall Blackburn, 524 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 3: is if you look at Dylan mulvaney and I'm setting 525 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 3: aside the transgender issue, which is what's dominated the media attention. 526 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 3: I'm just looking at what Dylan mulvaney, who the audience is, 527 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 3: and whether it's on TikTok or Instagram. The audience's overwhelmingly kids. 528 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 3: A lot of them are teenagers, a lot of them 529 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 3: are teenage girls, a lot of them are prepubescent girls. 530 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 3: You know the song that Dylan Melvany sings, I Am 531 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 3: Eloise and I Am six. That's not even a nineteen 532 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 3: or twenty year old six shopping for barbies. The last 533 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 3: I checked, sixteen year olds don't shop for barbies. That's eight, nine, 534 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 3: ten year olds that are shopping for barbies. And what 535 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 3: I am pressing on is to what extent did bud 536 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 3: Light deliberately market to teenagers and even preteens, And to 537 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 3: what extent did they have any data that said, Okay, 538 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 3: if we get preteens and teenagers drinking bud Light, they 539 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 3: might be a customer for the rest of their lives. 540 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 3: And if they did so, that is in direct violation 541 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 3: of the rules governing the marketing of beer. 542 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 2: You know there's one also, if you go back, the 543 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 2: bud Light VP of Marketing actually not only doubled down 544 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 2: on her extreme woke strategy, which was to completely radically 545 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 2: change this company. But she mentioned declining cells when she 546 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 2: took over and also mentioned young people. I want people 547 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 2: to hear this. Now, this was before the mulvaney controversy, 548 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 2: but this is the bud Light VP of Marketing in 549 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 2: her own words in a interview. 550 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 5: Well, I'm a businesswoman. I had a really clear job 551 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 5: to do when I took over bud Light, and it 552 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 5: was this brand is in decline. It's been in decline 553 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 5: for a really long time. And if we do not 554 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 5: attract young drinkers to come and drink this brand, there 555 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 5: will be no future for bud Lights. 556 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: Young drinkers to drink this brand center. 557 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 2: I mean, that's pretty brazen to say. Again, I'm going 558 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 2: to read the transcript, and if we do not attract 559 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 2: young drinkers to come and drink this brand, there will 560 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 2: be no future or by the light, those are her words. 561 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 3: You know. It's funny, Ben. In the couple of days 562 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 3: since I sent this letter calling for this investigation, the left, 563 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 3: both Democrats and in particular left wing media outlets have 564 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 3: been losing their mind. MSNBC has been running these pieces saying, 565 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 3: you know, Cruise is this radical filled with hate, and 566 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 3: none of them actually address the substantive point that beer 567 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,959 Speaker 3: companies are bound by rules not to market to kids, 568 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 3: and none of them are disputing what I think is 569 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 3: indisputable is that Dylan mulvaney is engaged in an aggressive 570 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 3: campaign marketing to kids. Those are facts, and those are 571 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 3: facts that Look, when it comes to transgender issues, today's 572 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 3: left is so extreme that you're not allowed to question 573 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 3: anything about it, and so they're reflexively circling the wagons saying, 574 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 3: how dare Cruz ask these questions? Well, you know, I've 575 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 3: got a job to do. My job's to represent thirty 576 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 3: million Texans, and my job is also as the ranking 577 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 3: member on the Commerce Committee, we've got direct jurisdiction over 578 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 3: beer companies marketing to kids, and so we're going to 579 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,399 Speaker 3: press to get to the bottom of it. And I'll 580 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 3: tell you this, if bud Light has marketing documents that 581 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 3: say have projections of how many teenagers they could get 582 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 3: to drink bud Light by marketing to them, that is 583 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 3: going to be a big, big problem. If they deliberately 584 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 3: went down this road to do what you just played 585 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 3: from the VP of marketing to try to get more 586 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 3: young drinkers underage. 587 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, in her words, we got to get young drinkers. 588 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 2: That's pretty damning right there. 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Get back that strength and vitality and get 618 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 2: rid of that weakness and complacency. Chalkcchoq dot com promo 619 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:26,839 Speaker 2: code Ben for thirty five percent off. 620 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: Senator, there is a name. 621 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 2: Some may remember this name, others may not, but nonetheless 622 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 2: see Boyden Gray who was a lawyer. He has been 623 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 2: in the establishment conservative passed away at the age of eighty. 624 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 2: He was What I love about his story is he's 625 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 2: a former Democrat. He actually served as White House counsel 626 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 2: under George Bush and aided presence including Ronald Reagan and 627 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 2: Donald J. 628 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: Trump. 629 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,879 Speaker 2: He has passed away at what an amazing man. You've 630 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,800 Speaker 2: spent a lot of time with him. Let's talk a 631 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 2: little bit about what he did for this country. 632 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 3: Well, Boyden Gray passed away yesterday. He was eighty years old. 633 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,280 Speaker 3: He was someone who's a good friend. I knew Boyden 634 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 3: very well. He lived a remarkable life. He was born 635 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 3: in nineteen forty three in Winston Salem, North Carolina, and 636 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 3: he came from a family who had been an extraordinary family. 637 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 3: His dad, a fellow named Gordon Gray, was the US 638 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 3: National Security Advisor to President Dwight D. Eisenhower. So when 639 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 3: it comes to government service, it was a tradition in 640 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,720 Speaker 3: the family. His grandfather was president of the RJ. Reynolds 641 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 3: Tobacco Company. So Boyden came from considerable wealth. He went 642 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 3: to Harvard University in nineteen sixty four. He wrote for 643 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 3: the Harvard Crimson and then he enlisted the Marines and 644 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 3: he was a sergeant in the Marines from nineteen sixty 645 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 3: five to nineteen seventy. He then went to the University 646 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 3: of North Carolina Law School and he was editor in 647 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 3: chief of the North Carolina Law Review, and he was 648 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 3: first in the class. And from that he became a 649 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 3: law clerk to the Chief Justice of the United States, 650 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 3: to Earl Warren, which is pretty extraordinary. And he became 651 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 3: a very prominent lawyer in private practice at the Wilmer, Cutner, 652 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 3: Cutler and Pickering, which is a big d C. Law firm, 653 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,920 Speaker 3: And then in nineteen eighty one he went to work 654 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,240 Speaker 3: for the White House as legal counsel for the Vice President, 655 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 3: George Herbert Walker Bush. When Bush became president, he came 656 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 3: back and became the White House counsel for Bush forty one, 657 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 3: and he was very close to Bush forty one. The 658 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 3: two of them played tennis together. They were close friends together. 659 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 3: Boyden was someone who he was an unusual guy. He 660 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,800 Speaker 3: was about six feet six, he was tall, skinny, lanky, 661 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 3: and he was brilliant. I mean, he had a mind 662 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 3: that was a marvel to behold, and he was passionate 663 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 3: about freedom. He'd been a Democrat, he'd been a law 664 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,359 Speaker 3: clerk for Earl Warren, but he was in no way, 665 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 3: shape and form a liberal. He believed in freedom and 666 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 3: especially economic liberty when it came to regulatory reform. I 667 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 3: don't know that there's been a more important person in 668 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 3: the last fifty years fighting to rein in the regulatory 669 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 3: state than Boyden Gray. He was relentless, He was very 670 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 3: active with Freedom Works, which played a big part in 671 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 3: electing me. Boyden was also an early supporter of mine, 672 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,799 Speaker 3: and when I ran for the Senate, Boyden supported me 673 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 3: right at the outset. You know, when I first ran 674 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 3: in twenty twelve, when we started, I was at two 675 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 3: percent in the polls, and we refer to the folks 676 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 3: that were with us from day one as the two percenters. 677 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 3: You had to be really out of your mind. Actually, Ben, 678 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 3: you were a two percenter, and Boyden was a two percenter, 679 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 3: and he hosted fundraisers for me at his home in 680 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 3: d C. He backed me early on, and Boyden was brilliant. 681 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,720 Speaker 3: He was also deeply involved in battles over the Supreme 682 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,320 Speaker 3: Court when Clarence Thomas. When Bush forty one nominated Clarence Thomas, 683 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 3: Boyden was intimately involved in defending Clarence Thomas for the 684 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:25,879 Speaker 3: vigorous attack that came after him and getting Thomas through 685 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,799 Speaker 3: the Senate. And you know, Boyden was I'll tell you 686 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,799 Speaker 3: something that actually a lot of people don't know. One 687 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,800 Speaker 3: of the things Boyden was quite passionate about was people 688 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 3: with disabilities. And Boyden played a pivotal role in passing 689 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 3: the Americans with Disabilities Act. W Boyden Gray and Dick Thornberg, 690 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,799 Speaker 3: who was the Attorney General under Bush forty one. The 691 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 3: two of them were the leading architects of the Americans 692 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 3: with Disability Act, and Bush forty one signed it. And 693 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 3: you know it's interesting, a lot of Democrats pretend, oh, 694 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 3: the ADA is their policy. Well, no, it was Republicans 695 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 3: who wrote it. It was Republicans who passed it. It was 696 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 3: Republicans who made it happen. And I believe the Americans 697 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 3: of Disability Act is a very conservative policy. We started 698 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 3: this podcast by talking about the dignity of work. That 699 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 3: everyone wants to work, that everyone wants to provide for 700 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 3: their own family, and I think people with disabilities that's 701 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,360 Speaker 3: especially true. Look, if you're blind, if you use a wheelchair, 702 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 3: if you have some other impairment. Look, if you're blind, 703 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 3: you probably can't be an airline pilot, but there's a 704 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 3: lot of good work you can do if you're you know, 705 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 3: if you use a wheelchair, you're probably not going to 706 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 3: run track, but there are lots of things you can do, 707 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 3: including be the governor of the state of Texas. The 708 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 3: ADA was all about empowering people with disabilities to work. 709 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:57,400 Speaker 3: To their maximum potential and have their maximum independence. And 710 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,719 Speaker 3: fast forward to nine nine and two thousand, I was 711 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,840 Speaker 3: a young lawyer. I was working on George W. Bush's 712 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 3: campaign and was domestic policy advisor and covered all sorts 713 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,440 Speaker 3: of legal areas, but one of the areas I covered 714 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,359 Speaker 3: was disability policy, and I worked very closely with both 715 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:20,759 Speaker 3: Boyden and Dick Thornberg in drafting what became George W. 716 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,800 Speaker 3: Bush's disability policy, which was the New Freedom Initiative, which 717 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,800 Speaker 3: he introduced and passed early in his presidency. And it 718 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:34,919 Speaker 3: again made a real difference helping people with disability live 719 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:40,279 Speaker 3: with a maximum independence and engagement in the workforce. All 720 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,399 Speaker 3: of that is is an incredible legacy. But I'll tell 721 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,880 Speaker 3: you Ben, actually my favorite memory of Boyden has nothing 722 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 3: to do with his impact in life. But Boyden, I've 723 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 3: spent time at his house. He had a beautiful house 724 00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 3: in Georgetown, and one of my favorite memories was being 725 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 3: at his house with him and a couple of other 726 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:06,080 Speaker 3: folks playing bridge with him. And he was brilliant and 727 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,760 Speaker 3: fun and smart, and he had a dry sense of humor. 728 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:15,440 Speaker 3: And I'm grateful for the legacy Boyd and Gray left 729 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,200 Speaker 3: for our country. And both Heidi and I were going 730 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,520 Speaker 3: to miss him. 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