1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,600 Speaker 1: He said something to me. He said, Brian, do you 2 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: know what the number one kill in America is? 3 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 2: I don't know. 4 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Is that like heart disease is a cancer? And he goes, No, 5 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: the number one kill in America is loneliness. 6 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 3: Airbnb CEO. 7 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 2: His name is Brian Cheskey. He's a badass in this business. 8 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: You're worth thirty billion dollars. The problem with success is 9 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 1: at tends to amplify things. No one ever told me 10 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: how lonely you would get. It's almost like I had 11 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: to go on this entire journey to realize I had 12 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: everything I needed before I even started the journey. If 13 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: I die, well I die. Brian Cheskey or the Airbnb 14 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: guy just died. 15 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 3: This is, without doubt, the most unique episode of On 16 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 3: Purpose I think we've ever heard. Before we jump into 17 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 3: this episode, i'd like to invite you to join this 18 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 3: community to hear more interviews that will help you become happier, healthier, 19 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 3: and more healed. All I want you to do is 20 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 3: click on the subscribe button. I love your support. It's 21 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 3: incredible to see all your comments and we're just getting started. 22 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 3: I can't wait to go on this journey with you. 23 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for subscribing. It means the world to. 24 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 2: Me, the best selling author in the most the number 25 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: one healthy well innes. 26 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:02,279 Speaker 3: Podcast and Purpose with Jay Shetty. Hey everyone, welcome back 27 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 3: to On Purpose, the number one health and wellness podcast 28 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 3: in the world. Thanks to each and every one of 29 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 3: you that come back every week to become happier, healthier 30 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 3: and more healed. And you know that's my goal here 31 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 3: to create a community where we can all come together 32 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 3: feel connected by ideas and visions and thoughts that help 33 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 3: us in our daily lives. And today's guest is someone 34 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 3: who's achieved incredible success, but also someone who I believe 35 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 3: is carrying ideas and insights that can be really useful 36 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 3: to us on our journey to whatever success may mean 37 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 3: to you. I'm talking about the one and only Brian Chesky, 38 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 3: who's the co founder and chief executive officer of Airbnb. 39 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 3: In two thousand and seven, Brian and Joe Gerbia became 40 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 3: Airbnb's first hosts. Since then, Brian has overseen Airbnb's growth 41 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 3: to become a community of over four million hosts who 42 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,639 Speaker 3: have welcomed more than one billion guests across two hundred 43 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 3: plus countries and regions. Brian is a signatory to the 44 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 3: Giving Pledge and is committed to donating the net proceeds 45 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 3: of a CEO equity compensation to community, philanthropic and charitable causes, 46 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 3: something that I'm so passionate about and so excited to 47 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 3: dive into. Brian, Welcome to on Purpose. 48 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: Well, thank you, really excited to be here. It's awesome. 49 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 3: I'm truly honored. I think there's very few. As I 50 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 3: was just saying to you offline, and I want to 51 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 3: repeat what I said. I think it's hard to build 52 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 3: something that matters. It's hard to scale something that matters, 53 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 3: and it's hard to build and scale something that matters 54 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 3: and keep making it matter. And you seem to be 55 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 3: doing all those things. 56 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 2: We try every day. 57 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 3: Congratulations, It's been a joy watching it from AFAR, and 58 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 3: I'm excited to build this relationship with you. 59 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 2: I'm excited to talk about this. 60 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, let's dive into it. I want to start 61 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 3: off with my first question, which is what makes you 62 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 3: happy today and how does it differ from what made 63 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 3: you happy sixteen years ago. 64 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: I think that I'll start with what I thought would 65 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: make me happy, and I'll tell you what does make 66 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: me happy? 67 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 2: And how they're different. 68 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: When I started this company, like fifteen years ago, i 69 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: started my co founders, I was totally broke. I had 70 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: no status, had no power, no money, nothing, And I 71 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: felt like what would make me happy was climbing a 72 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: mountain and becoming incredibly successful. And the challenge is that, well, 73 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: what do you do when you get the top of 74 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: the mountain. You've achieved it. And what I've realized is 75 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: that at this point, like I'm forty one years old 76 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: and a lot of people ask me like, why don't 77 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: you just retire, like or why don't you do it 78 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: all over again? And for me, I would tell them 79 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: because the fund is just starting. But the fund of 80 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: just starting isn't to like get the next billion people. 81 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: I kind of think of myself maybe more than a 82 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: business person. You know, you're you're kind of who you 83 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: are growing up. And I was a designer growing up, 84 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: and I kind of think of Airbnb as like one 85 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: of the world. It's the biggest canvas. Almost never has 86 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: a designer been given so much responsibility, so much opportunity. 87 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: And what I love is, you know, like a musician 88 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: wants to play music, a painter wants to paint a 89 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: builder wants to build, a climber wants to climb, and 90 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: as an entrepreneur, I want to create and connect things 91 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: and try to like defy the notion of what a 92 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: business person could be or what a designer could be 93 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: because I never met someone like me growing up. And 94 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,359 Speaker 1: I'm not saying anyone's going to try to be like me. 95 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: But if I can remind people that there's leadership comes 96 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: in many different paces, many different flavors, and that a 97 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: creative person, you know, can run a company, and it 98 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: can run a really big company, a Fortune five hundred company, 99 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: then that's that's the very beginning. And I feel like 100 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: what makes me happy now is working with people I love. 101 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: Like the one of the great things about say success 102 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: is you can choose the people you strosd up with, 103 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: and I get to like work every single day with 104 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: people I love on ideas that I'm obsessed over, and 105 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: I'm just so obsessed. I think my motivation has changed. 106 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: I think when I started with my motivation was about 107 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: myself becoming something, and once you achieve that, your motivation 108 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: often turn turns outward. It's about its starting to be 109 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: about giving to other people, to lending them experience a 110 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: small part of what I was able to experience, and 111 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: it becomes just about the work. See, when you're not successful, 112 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: you get validation when people praise you, but eventually like 113 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: you do it for yourself, that you're not doing it 114 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: for status or success, because at some point you've gotten 115 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: all that, Like how much more is going to make 116 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: you happy? And so just doing things I love the 117 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: people I care about, That's what makes me happy today. 118 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 3: That's beautiful. That's I can see that it's true for 119 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 3: you too. I can see that it's real for you 120 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 3: as you're saying it, which is such a special place 121 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 3: to be. And it was interesting when you were talking 122 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 3: about this idea of climbing a mountain. I've often thought 123 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 3: that there's one journey in life that we take that's 124 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 3: upwards up a mountain, and then there's another journey we 125 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 3: all have to take that's inwards to the valley. And 126 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 3: that's a journey that not everyone gets to take or 127 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 3: everyone thinks about taking, because we're so busy trying to 128 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 3: get up that we don't often get to go in right. 129 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 3: And it sounds like you've been excavating that internal part 130 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:34,239 Speaker 3: for some time. 131 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:38,679 Speaker 1: You can learn a lot about yourself through this journey, 132 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: And you're right, the biggest journey I've probably embarked on 133 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: is the one inside of myself. The brightest days of 134 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: my life and the darkest days of my life have 135 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: been in the last fifteen years. The highs are incredibly high, 136 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: the lows can be incredibly low. The amount of stress 137 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: can be unrelenting, the rewards are like hard to even 138 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: grap with. When you go on a journey like this, 139 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: you learn a lot about yourself and you start to 140 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: also learn, like what's important to you starting a company, 141 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: you know, one of my first investors said Brian, Starting 142 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: companies like jumping off a cliff and assembling the airplane 143 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: in the way down. Maybe another way of saying it 144 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: is like playing a video game, and it's like a 145 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: thousand levels, and each level gets harder. In each level, 146 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: you learn something about yourself, you do something that's uncomfortable. 147 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: In each step of the game, you learn something. And 148 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,679 Speaker 1: the problem with success is that tend to amplify things. 149 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: I mean that can be good, but it all still 150 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: can amplify holes you have in yourself. People that are 151 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: a little bit paranoid get very paranoid. People that are 152 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: a little deceitful become like completely fraudulent liars. People that 153 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: are a little narcissistic become like egomaniacs and stuff. And 154 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: so this stuff can tend to amplify tendencies inside of yourself. 155 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: And so if you're afraid of conflict, that's going to 156 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: actually manifest in life, like not actually dealing with things 157 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: if you can't, if you're not decisive, there's going to 158 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: be an element of bureaucracy. If you're like get overwhelmed 159 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: and you get paralyzed, there's going to be an action 160 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: in the company. And so you learn so much about yourself. 161 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: And I through this process, I probably learned more about 162 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: myself than I even have about business. And it's been 163 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: an incredible journey. And yeah, it's like incredible lessons. And 164 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: the company is like a mirror about you, right Like 165 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,679 Speaker 1: when you see a company, it's like walking your house. 166 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: And by walking your house, I can step a little 167 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: bit in your mind. Because the house you bought, the 168 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: house you furnished, the house, you made a thousand decisions 169 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: and it would take a while for me in conversation 170 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: to understand you. But I walk in this house and 171 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: I can understand the thousand decisions you made. A company 172 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: is like that, but it's like one hundred thousand decisions 173 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: or a million decisions. And so by seeing the company, 174 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: you can like see into the person's mind everything they do, 175 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: and not even in everything they do, but everyone they 176 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: surround this self with and the culture they create and 177 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: what they And that's the thing that's so crazy. 178 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 3: I'm intrigued. You said something there that really stood out 179 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 3: to me. You said that the happiest thing and the 180 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 3: best thing about being successful is that you get to 181 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 3: choose the people you worked with. You obviously built this 182 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 3: with friends, Yeah, and that's how it started. It started 183 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 3: in a place of being around people you love with 184 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 3: What was the biggest point of challenge in building something 185 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 3: with people you love as you grow it, and what 186 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 3: is it that you experienced and what was the biggest 187 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 3: lesson that you took away that actually kept it going? 188 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 3: Because I can imagine as you're describing highs and lows, 189 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 3: all of this change for sixteen years, but here you 190 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 3: are still building it together. 191 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: Think about how many stories you heard of founders. It's 192 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: like a band. They come together and then eventually the 193 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: band breaks up and people don't stay together, they resent 194 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: each other, maybe things end very ugly. It's like a band, 195 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: except like it's become so much bigger than the band 196 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 1: because it's not just the three of you. Imagine a 197 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: band that starts three people and ends as three thousand people. 198 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: And that amount of pressure, the amount of spotlight, the 199 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: money that changes in like people's status and positioning, it 200 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: can do a lot to break people up. But also 201 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: unlike a band, where maybe I'm not to say, you 202 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: just have to agree on like where you perform and 203 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: what you sing. With a company, you have to agree 204 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: on like who we're gonna hire, what we're gonna call, 205 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: what markets we're going to go into, what's the prioritization, 206 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: Like who we're gonna raise money for. I can go 207 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 1: down the list of like the thousands of things you 208 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: have to agree to, And with Joe, Nate and I, 209 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: I often say it's really good to start a company 210 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: with friends. Not everyone has friends to start a company with, 211 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,959 Speaker 1: but you want that reservoir of goodwill. And we made 212 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: a decision. The decision was that no one decision is 213 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: going to supersede our friendship in our relationship, that we're 214 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: never going to have well, debate will argue, but will 215 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: never allow a situation where winning an argument is the 216 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: most important thing. Because you think about a company as 217 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: one hundred thousand decisions, it could also be one hundred 218 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: thousand arguments. And if you get stuck the first debate, 219 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: or you like somebody won a debate, okay, great, you 220 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: have ninety nine, nine hundred and ninety nine more things 221 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: to discuss. And so the lesson I learned is, I mean, 222 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: first of all, Jay, I was lucky, and a lot 223 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: of people when I say I was lucky, they think, oh, 224 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: you're at the right place, the right time, with the 225 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: right idea. And I said, well maybe, but there's something 226 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: I was much luckier about. And what I was most 227 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 1: lucky about, what made me most fortunate was I met 228 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: Joe and Nate that we have this unbelievable chemistry. One 229 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: time we had to do like some personality tests. It's 230 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: like one of those core wheels, and we took this 231 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: personality test to see about our chemistry, and they plotted 232 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: our personalities and they formed a perfect equal adible triangle. 233 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: Not always you're going to find people that are perfect 234 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: compliments to you. I'd say a couple of things. Number One, 235 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: you want to have a team with people that you 236 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: are friends with or could see yourself becoming friends with 237 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: that you have a deep love and respect for that. 238 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: You're going to probably spend more time with your co 239 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 1: founders than your spouse or family if it goes well. 240 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: If it doesn't go well, then maybe not. But that's 241 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: the best case scenario that people that shared values. Because 242 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 1: you can debate anything so long as you're trying to 243 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: climb the same mountain in the same volee system. You 244 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: have different values, Eventually there's going to become irreconcilable conflicts, 245 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 1: but you probably also want complimentary skills. The worst case 246 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: is people with different values and same skills. Right, we 247 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: do the same job, we step in each other's tolls, 248 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: and we're trying to go in a different direction, And 249 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: so I think, and then I think. The final thing 250 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: is just this mutual love and respect and never losing sight. 251 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 2: You know. 252 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: One of the things I tried to make sure of 253 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: is like even as CEO, I wanted to try to 254 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: make sure that like Joe and Nate, you know, were 255 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: included in things. And I wanted to always make sure 256 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: that people referred to us together we thought of us 257 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: as a as a unit. When I like when public 258 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: you write a founder's letter and a lot of people 259 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: write letter and they just signed the name of the CEO. 260 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: I made sure that it was from all of us 261 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: and was representing all of us. I feel like they 262 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: are the heart and the soul of the company. And 263 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: it's like you know, parents, like you know, not every 264 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: child has the fortune to have multiple parents, not every 265 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: company has the fortune have multiple founders. But if they're 266 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: together and they're not fighting, they have a mutual love 267 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: and respect from another, that's going to permeate the company, 268 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: just like it permeates the health of a child. And 269 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: joan A and I kind of thought ourselves as parents 270 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: in the company. As a child, I'd never have had kids, 271 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: but you know there's something about that, and I think 272 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: who you are and that relationship permeates every single thing. 273 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: If the founders fight, the employees fight, if they have 274 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: respect from one another, that is going to be a 275 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: role a model that other people throughout the organization are 276 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: going to copy. And that's what I've learned from that. 277 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 2: I think. 278 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 3: I think what you're saying is very, very true, and 279 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 3: it's remarkable that you've been able to hold on to that. 280 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 3: I mean, I remember just comparing it to something very minuscule, 281 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 3: But I think a lot of people will be able 282 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 3: to relate to It's like I think with your bros 283 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 3: at college or at school, you'd always be like, we're 284 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 3: not going to fight over girls, We're not going to 285 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 3: fight over women. And then they'd always be the guy 286 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 3: who trades the friendship for a girl and then the 287 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 3: whole thing. 288 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: And that's a short term decision. And I understand why 289 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: people make short term decisions. They make trade offs. They 290 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 1: want to win. But as long as you think about 291 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: the arc of your life and that life is only 292 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: like who you're with, and that you don't want to 293 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: be alone at the end of your life, and you 294 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: certainly don't want be alone the end of the journey. 295 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: If I'm climate malan, I want friends by my side 296 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: that can provide supplies at me. And like, you know, 297 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: like being the only one in power is actually quite lonely. 298 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: Having been in that little bit of that position, I've 299 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: now could tell people that you want to share it, 300 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: because otherwise it's incredibly isolating and lonely. And you know, 301 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: like if you get all the credit, you could also 302 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: get all the blame and it can be very difficult. 303 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: And so be able to share that with Joe and 304 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: Nate and now to be able to share that with 305 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: the people that I get to pick to surround myself 306 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: with that, I mean, that is one of the most 307 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: fulfilling things. And you know, great relationships get better with age, 308 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: and they give you energy, they make you better. They 309 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: hold your negative tendencies in check, and they pull out 310 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: like creative ambitions in you. They see potential in you 311 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: that maybe you don't see in yourself. I had never 312 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: imagined that I could be CEO of any company. 313 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: I didn't think it'd be. 314 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: CEO of a pizza shop, let alone be SA like 315 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: a giant fortune five hundred company to do over sixty 316 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: billion dollars last year in bookings, Like that's completely crazy. 317 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: And I've learned a lot of lessons from this journey. 318 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: One is I think we all were born with like 319 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: unknown potential. And I think the other thing is sometimes 320 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: the best people in your life will be people who 321 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: see potential in you that you didn't see in yourself. 322 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: And I often wonder, like, why did Joe and Ny 323 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: even agree to like, let me be the CEO. Why 324 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: did Joe tell me one day in two thousand and 325 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: seven to pack everything in the back of old Honda 326 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: Civic and drive up to San Francisco? Why did he 327 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: think that was a good idea? And years later he's 328 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: told me, and he told me that we went to 329 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: college together at Risdy and he saw something in me. 330 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: And it's possible he saw something in me that I 331 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: didn't even yet see in myself. And this is like 332 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: the hero's journey. Somebody might believe in you, they might 333 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: see something in you. And that's what I got with Joanna, 334 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: and I think I believed in what I think I saw. 335 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: They saw potentially me what I saw maybe was potential 336 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: in this idea that if people could experience what we 337 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: experienced that first weekend when we host three guests, that 338 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: this would be an idea that would spread around the world. 339 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: I think we have an easier time imagining living like 340 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: this on Mars and living differently on this planet. But 341 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: which of those two do you think is more likely 342 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: to happen in the near term. It's really hard for 343 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: us to imagine sch sociological changes. We can all imagine 344 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: technological changes. We can imagine things getting bigger, faster. But 345 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine us living differently. And I don't 346 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: think that we were visionaries per se. I think we 347 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: were expedition and I think we discovered something. One of 348 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 1: my first investors, Paul Graham, he said, what do you know? 349 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: What unique knowledge do you know that has allowed you 350 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: afforded you the ability to start this company that no 351 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,239 Speaker 1: one else has? What do you know that no one 352 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: else understands? And I think that we discovered something. We 353 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: discovered that, like, people are fundamentally good. You know, you 354 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: read the newspaper, I think Chief Justice Earl Warren said, 355 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: I don't turn to the front page of the newspaper. 356 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: It's filled with man's failures. I go to the sports page. 357 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: It's filled with man's successes. I think we live in 358 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: an abundance of data reinforcing that people aren't good. And 359 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 1: we have probably as much data as almost anyone because 360 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: in the last fifteen years, one and a half billion 361 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: people have used Airvonba one and a half billion guest 362 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: arrivals in nearly every country in the world, more countries, 363 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: I think than Coca Cola. Nearly the population of Vallet 364 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: every night living together and it's only reinforced what I 365 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: think we naively believed in the beginning, these two simple 366 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: ideas that people are basically good, they're ninety nine percent 367 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: the same. I think that Joe and Nate believed in 368 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: me and my potential to be this company. I think 369 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: we collectively believed in the potential each other. And I 370 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: think also that this idea would be one that could 371 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: spread around the world if only we could figure out 372 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: how to communicate it to people. 373 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 3: How special I mean, that's that is something that I 374 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 3: definitely got a mini version experience of. I just finished 375 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 3: forty City World Tour really for my second book, and 376 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 3: we probably met about one hundred thousand people on the 377 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 3: way oh my events, and much much smaller than the 378 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 3: one billion bookings. But I would agree with those two 379 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 3: sentiments so strongly. There were nine nine percent the same 380 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 3: and people are overall good. 381 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: If people believed everyone was basically the same, then how 382 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 1: could you hate someone else because they hate someone else 383 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: is to hate yourself. And I think that we spend 384 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 1: a lot of energy in society celebrating the point one 385 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: percent that makes us different. I think there's a good 386 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: part of that. We call that diversity and heritage and culture. 387 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: But there's a dark side of believing that we're like 388 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: all very different, and that's that we believe that people 389 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: are the other and that therefore it's harder to have 390 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: empathy with somebody who isn't us. And I think that 391 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 1: the best way to understand that somebody is similar to 392 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: you is to walk in their shoes and to like 393 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: just you know, there's an old saying it's hard to 394 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 1: hate someone up close, And I think there's something weird 395 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: that's happening. We're the more digitally connected we seem to 396 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: get the more the less physically connected we sometimes get, 397 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: And I wonder if that has a way of like 398 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: confusing us about people that we might argue about on 399 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: the internet. No one else, no one's ever changed the 400 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: most mind YouTube comment section. But if it's hard to 401 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: live with somebody or to walk in the shoes and 402 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: not change your mind, how could you not change your 403 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: mind about something? Because that would suggest that like you've 404 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 1: experienced all of life up to that point, and that 405 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: you feel your opinions are fully formed, and that no 406 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: new data could ever change your mind about anything. 407 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 2: How could that pass? 408 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 1: How do you even have your pins in the first 409 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: place based on probably experiences, and so how could you've 410 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 1: not change your experience your opinion by new experiences with 411 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: new people. And that's kind of the kind of the 412 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: simple way we think about it. 413 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm so glad you raised this idea of you 414 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 3: talked about the incredible friendship that you have with your 415 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 3: co founders, but at the same time you brought up 416 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 3: this idea of loneliness, and you said, you never want 417 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 3: to be lonely at the end of a journey. You 418 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 3: never want to be lonely at the end of building 419 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 3: something big. And I think in the world today we 420 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 3: are seeing loneliness proliferate. And it's the loneliness of not 421 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 3: that we're not around people. It's not loneliness that we're 422 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 3: not surrounded by people. It's that we're surrounded by people, 423 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 3: but we don't feel understood, we don't feel seen, we 424 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 3: don't feel heard, that we feel that we have to 425 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 3: be someone apart from ourselves, even around the people that 426 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 3: we're closest to. And so the idea of loneliness is 427 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 3: expanding away. People are feeling disconnect from each other. Yeah, 428 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 3: you're talking about sixteen years ago, you and a bunch 429 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 3: of friends feeling so close to each other. When have 430 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 3: you felt lonely in your life? And what have been 431 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 3: your next thoughts and steps that you've taken from that point. 432 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: I think loneliness, which is like the darkness or the 433 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: absence of connection and love and connection, have in hindsight, 434 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: been some of the driving forces in my entire life. 435 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 1: If I were to think about my journey with loneliness, 436 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: I think I grew up as a little bit of 437 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 1: a lonely isolated kid. I was interested in art and design, 438 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 1: but I also played sports. I didn't really feel like 439 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: I fit in growing up. I kind of felt like 440 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: an outsider. I went to the Red Island School Design, 441 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: where a lot of people who felt that way would 442 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: come together be even at Risdy, I didn't feel like I. 443 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 2: Fit in there, even as a hockey player. 444 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: Even as a hockey player, to arts like kind of 445 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: like I went to like a military like private school, 446 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: and then I went to an art college, and like 447 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: I kind of had a foot in each and not 448 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: fully like like and I would I had, you know, 449 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: maybe issues of authority. 450 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 2: I didn't really fit in. 451 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: It turned out to be a huge benefit to being 452 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 1: a tech founder, but of course, who doesn't want to 453 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: fit in it? Growing up, like so much of our 454 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: desire is to belong, because I think to belong is 455 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: a deeply human trait. 456 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:29,360 Speaker 2: You know, we're tribal. 457 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: We grew up to be in tribes of like fifty 458 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: one hundred hundred fifty people, and to not be part 459 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: of the tribe and not belong in a prior era 460 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 1: would be a death sentence. And I think that ultimately 461 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: today we're probably living in one of the loneliest times 462 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: in human history. If people were as lonely in yesteryear 463 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: as they are today, they'd probably perish because, like you 464 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: just couldn't survive without your tribe. And I think that, 465 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: you know, for me, I didn't realize that this was 466 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: a thing that I've been I was fighting throughout my life, 467 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: and so when I was twenty five twenty six, I 468 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: started with my two co founders and we became the family. 469 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 1: We became a family they hadn't had for ten years 470 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: since I really ten years since I left the house. 471 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 1: And then suddenly we were a family, the three of us, 472 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: and we're just hanging out together. We lived together. We 473 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: all like waked up, woke up around the same time 474 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: around eight am. We'd work till midnight, and then we'd 475 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: do it the whole the next day. We'd go grocery 476 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: shopping together, we'd like go to the gym together. Was 477 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: very communal. Then we hired people that were basically our friends. 478 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: We wouldn't hire anyone we didn't like. And then we 479 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of work life like boundaries. Everyone 480 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: was young, we didn't have families. We'd go out, like 481 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: drinking together and hang out together and dinner, and that 482 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: became like a family. It became like a community, and 483 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: that was incredible, and it was this deep, rich connection 484 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: and those were some of the closest friendships I ever had. 485 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: But then something happens. We go on a rocket ship, 486 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: and then I go from being a founder to a CEO. 487 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: And I was one of three founders, and then it 488 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 1: became one CEO, a silent, an individual role. And as 489 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: it became a CEO, I started leading from the front 490 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,959 Speaker 1: at the top of the mountain. But then you know, 491 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 1: the higher you get to the peak, the fewer the 492 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: people there are with you. And no one ever told 493 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: me how lonely you would get. And I wasn't prepared 494 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 1: for that, and I had this guilt about not working 495 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: because so much of my life was about being successful. 496 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 1: Probably probably if I were to dig deep, because I 497 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: thought that would make people love me, and that was 498 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: probably adulation, but I probably didn't know it back then, 499 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: and I probably thought that by being successful, I'd feel 500 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,959 Speaker 1: really different. And I remember I got to this point 501 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: where I was already feeling pretty isolated, and then the 502 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: pandemic happened, and I'm living by myself in a house 503 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: and I'm find myself on zooms twenty four to seven, 504 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: like sixteen eighteen hours a day for an entire year 505 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty. I, you know, help with the team. 506 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: We navigate out of a crisis. People were predicting we'd 507 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 1: like some people were that we would go out of business. 508 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: We stared into the byss and we got in a foxhoul. 509 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 1: We turned the company around. We took it public in 510 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: the day of our IPO. We reached one hundred billion 511 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: dollar valuation. And remember if you told me, like a 512 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: million dollars is more money I ever imagined growing up. 513 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 1: My parents are social workers. It was like an unfathomab 514 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: amount of money. And I remember, after going public, is like, 515 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 1: oh my god, there's this amazing exultation. It was amazing, 516 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: like I'd gotten to them. I mount, and then I 517 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: wake up the next day and my life is exactly 518 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: the same. 519 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 2: I'm alone. 520 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 1: I wake up, I put on sweatpants, I go on 521 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: to iMac, and I have like ten twelve hours of 522 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: zoom meetings, and I just don't really have much of 523 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: my life outside of work. My work was my life. 524 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: And then I remember having a fortieth birthday party and 525 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: I had to make a list of people to invite. 526 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 1: And never in my life have I tried to like 527 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: make a list to who my friends are. But when 528 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: you have to make invitations, you have to make a list. 529 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: And I made a long list of people, and then 530 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: I kind of went down the list and I said, 531 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: when's the last time I talked to these people? And 532 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: I realized that almost every single person in the list, 533 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: if I were to ping, i'd have to catch them 534 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 1: up in my life. I couldn't just dive into something 535 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: because I had not maintained those relationships. And it was 536 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: just something that like started, you know, and I started 537 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: noticing I started feeling more isolated. I would have more 538 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 1: negative ruminations and stuff, and I didn't know at the 539 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: time that I was isolated lonely. I knew it was isolated, 540 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: but I didn't know that that also meant loneliness. And 541 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 1: I thought, I have all these people around me, how 542 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: could I possibly feel this way? And there were a 543 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 1: couple of people that like entered my life that like 544 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,959 Speaker 1: gave me some awareness and consciousness, one at the deeply 545 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 1: personal level and one more at the professional level. At 546 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: the personal level, I ended up actually becoming friends, and 547 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: a person who became a mentor of mine was the 548 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: former president i'd say is Barack Obama. 549 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 2: And it was kind of a. 550 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: Crazy story where I, you know, I, like many people, 551 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: met him in the White House, and then we keep 552 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: in touch after the White House and he became a 553 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: bit of a mentor to me. We developed a relationship, 554 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,360 Speaker 1: and initially it was a purely professional relationship, but by 555 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, after it went public, he kind of 556 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: told me. I kind of told him what I was feeling, 557 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: and he said, I think you're kind of lonely and 558 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: you probably need to renew friendships. And he described that 559 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: he had like these ten or fifteen friends, most of 560 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 1: them he was friends with before his presidency, and they 561 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: kept him grounded and rooted. And your roots come from 562 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: your past, and your past is often your relationships. Because 563 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: I kept asking him, like, how didn't you like lose 564 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: your mind, He's like, it's hard to lose your mind 565 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 1: when you have deep connections in relationships to others. And 566 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: this is around the time I was like totally realized 567 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: I hadn't maintained relationships. So one of the most important 568 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: things I decided to do was renew the relationships that 569 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: were in that invite list, those people that hadn't really 570 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: kept in touch with. And so I rekindled relationships with 571 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: my college friends, and I committed that we'd take like 572 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: one or two trips year, because the problem is if 573 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: you don't see your friends, you only text them. The 574 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: only things you can talk about are like the same 575 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: old stories from twenty years ago. Or you can talk 576 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: about other things in your life, but you have no 577 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,360 Speaker 1: shared experience in zoom in phone calls and text messages 578 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: or not shared experiences. You can only talk about an 579 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: experience you had. And so I did that with my 580 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: college friends, I did my high school friends. I started 581 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: spending more time with my sister and other people in 582 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: my life. I ended up getting like a dog, a 583 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: Golden Retriever named Sophie Supernova, and the crazy thing Jay is. 584 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,439 Speaker 1: I can tell you, like the ride of Airbnb and 585 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: having all the success and money and power and all 586 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: this stuff, it can be amazing. I'm not saying it's 587 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: not amazing, but I actually think I probably It's almost 588 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: like I had to go on this entire journey to 589 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: realize I had everything I needed before I even started 590 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: the journey, that the thing that probably gave me the 591 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: greatest life satisfaction was a thing that I didn't even 592 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,719 Speaker 1: need money for, and I didn't even need to have 593 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: success to achieve relationships many of them I had before 594 00:28:59,160 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: I started. 595 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 3: I couldn't be more excited to share something truly special 596 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 3: with all you tea lovers out there. 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He is as people listening are 620 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: probably realize, he was a Harper professor who's run the 621 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: longest study in human happiness. It started before he was 622 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: even alive. It's an eighty five year study. And the 623 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: question was what's the secret of happiness? And of course 624 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: they don't think they thought there was a silver bullet answer, 625 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: and of course it is, and it's relationships. And I 626 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: think that that's what I've learned that like, as I've reconnected, 627 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: I've felt like this light and this love hermeate me. 628 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: And I think it's made me a better leader because 629 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: one of the things Robert told me is fifty percent 630 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: of CEOs are lonely. Now somebody listening to say, oh, 631 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: poor CEOs, well, I would say, I don't think I 632 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: want society be led by a bunch of lonely people. 633 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 3: Exactly. 634 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: I don't want society be led by a bunch of 635 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: lonely people because lonely people are less trusting of other people. 636 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,239 Speaker 1: They're more paranoid, they're less resilient, they will typically have 637 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: less empathy because they will push people away. I don't 638 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: think they're is connected. They make worse decisions. And so 639 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: we do not live in a world where people are lonely, 640 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: and we especially don't want to live in a world 641 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: where leaders are lonely, and so this has been one 642 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: of the defining things in my life. So I think 643 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: the first part of the answer is for me to 644 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: deal with my own sense of isolation and loneliness. And 645 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: because again Jay, I thought loneliness was something that like 646 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: people's grandparents experience in their life. I didn't think it 647 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: was something the young person experiences. And the other person 648 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: I met is the now and former Certain General the 649 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: United States with doctor Vec Murphy. We hired him during 650 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: the pandemic because a lot of people were afraid to, 651 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: like you know, go into airbnbs and they were worried 652 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: about like germs on services, and so we hired him 653 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: to do this, like you know, basically create cleaning and 654 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: sanitation protocols. But I remember having a conversation with him 655 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: and he said something to me. He said, Brian, do 656 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: you know what the number one killer in America is? 657 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: I'm kind of paraphrase in the conversation and I said, 658 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. Is that like heart disease is a cancer? 659 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: And he goes, no, the number one kill in America 660 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: is loneliness. And I said, loneliness, what are you talking about? 661 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: And he said, yeah, being chronically lonely is worse for 662 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: your health than smoking a pack of cigarettes a day 663 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: and can take fifteen years off your life. And not 664 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: only that, but about half of Americans are lonely. Two 665 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: out of three teenagers, by some studies, are lonely. And 666 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: it's not just that they're lonely. 667 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 2: I thought, this is. 668 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: Leading to a lot of mental health issues. You know, 669 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: one in four teenagers have suicidal ideations. You know, that's 670 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: not just teenagers. You see, like you know, like there's 671 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: a crisis with men and boys, there's a crisis with 672 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: like one in three seniors or lonely. This is like 673 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: so I started realizing this is like a really big crisis. 674 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: It's maybe a way of say it's a crisis of disconnection. 675 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: And I started realizing, like you know, global warming, maybe 676 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: you could say that's disconnection with the earth, and that 677 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: loneliness is disconnection from each other. And maybe loneliness at 678 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: the most fundamental level starts with disconnection from yourself. That 679 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,239 Speaker 1: you're running away from something, and that sometimes trying to 680 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: be successful and climbing a mountain is running away from something. 681 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: You know, because you think that what you are isn't enough, 682 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: and if you become war, you'll be you'll become something, 683 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: and that is the problem because of course we never 684 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: fully leave our history and our psychology. And so then 685 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: I started learning about loneliness at the intellectual level and 686 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: started asking what airbeingb's a global community. We have hundreds 687 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: of millions of people. Some of the best ways to 688 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: connect with other people or through travel. I was using 689 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: travel and Airbnb to like connect with my friends because 690 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: most do me live in the same city as me. 691 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: I started realizing, you know, you get to my age, 692 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: you're forty one, you have a public company. 693 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 2: You have a couple of choices. 694 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: You can just stop and say, like retire, you can 695 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 1: do something new, or you can say my work is 696 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: just getting started. And for me, like I want to 697 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: of course, I want to like keep getting a return 698 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,240 Speaker 1: for shareholders and make sure like if people give me money, 699 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: they feel like it was a good decision, If employees 700 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,320 Speaker 1: put their trust in me, it was a good career decision. 701 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: And I want all that to happen. But that can't 702 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 1: be enough. That there's got to be something more. The 703 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,800 Speaker 1: artist to me, the designer and me wants to solve 704 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 1: a problem. The problem can't just be a stock price, 705 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: it's got to be something greater. And I have like 706 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: the one of the biggest canvasses in the world of 707 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: any designer ever. And while I'm a design is not products, 708 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 1: I'm design connections between people. And so I started learning 709 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 1: about loneliness. I started realizing that modern life seems to 710 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 1: be making people lonely. And there's all sorts of theories. 711 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,839 Speaker 1: Maybe it's that, like you know, everything is digitized now. 712 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,240 Speaker 1: The mall is now Amazon, the theater is now Netflix, 713 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: the Courci's stores now in Sikar, the office is now Zoom. 714 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 1: And I'm a proponent of all these things. I use 715 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: all these services and I love them. But you know 716 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 1: the problem is, it's like ingredients, we evolved, I think, 717 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: to be in physical proximity of another, and as we 718 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: spend more time online, we seem to be spending less 719 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,359 Speaker 1: time together. And I think we have to be very 720 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 1: very careful as society what kind of future we want 721 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: to design for ourselves. So I guess for me, loneliness 722 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 1: in its solution, which is reconnection, has been both a 723 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,760 Speaker 1: personal mission and now a bit of a professional mission. 724 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: And a product or a service can't help with that, 725 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: but a community can and if Airbnb can go from 726 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: a travel service to a travel community, if we can 727 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: be in the business of trust where you understand one 728 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: other and we can help you connect with people in 729 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: your life or meet other people, that to me would 730 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: be where the next chapter is. And there's something about 731 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 1: like solving your own problem then wanting to like, you know, 732 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: trying to spread it to others is I think one 733 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: of the most fulfilling things. They always say the best 734 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 1: way to start a business solve your own problem, and 735 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: I think that's what I've been trying to do. 736 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 3: Thank you for coming to my ted to it. 737 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 1: That was. 738 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 3: A masterclass on loneliness and I mean that. And it's 739 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 3: beautiful to see how it can so deeply correlate with 740 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 3: what you've already built. And I think that's what as 741 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 3: I'm watching you, and as people are listening and watching, 742 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 3: I want you to take this away that you're not 743 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 3: neglecting or negating any experience you've had. You're actually collecting 744 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 3: they're awesome and bringing them all together and saying, look, actually, 745 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 3: it's additive. I think a lot of us have this 746 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,959 Speaker 3: tendency in the material world to build something. Go ah, 747 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 3: it wasn't it throw it away and then go try 748 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 3: and build something else. And actually, what you're saying, actually 749 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 3: I built this thing. It's great, but actually it could 750 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 3: be so much better. 751 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 2: And it's just the beginning exactly. 752 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,320 Speaker 1: And I also think that, like I'm not saying it 753 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 1: never would have mattered, and don't try to be a 754 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: tech founder and don't try to achieve success. I'm just 755 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: saying their ingredients, yes, and that if you do it 756 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 1: alone and you don't have relationships and you do something 757 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: to fill something in you, it's not going to fully 758 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 1: do that. But if you do it because you love it, 759 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:16,879 Speaker 1: and you get to do it with people you love, 760 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 1: and you can do it out of a sense of 761 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: gratitude in giving to other people. You know, Steve Jobs, 762 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: one of my heroes, used to say, I get to 763 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 1: work now with Johnny Ive. He started a firm called 764 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 1: Love from Love from Me to You, And that was 765 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,240 Speaker 1: the theory that Steve said that. Steve said, the best 766 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: way to show your love for the species is to 767 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: put your heart and soul into something and give them 768 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: to them. Steve said that design is a fundamental soul 769 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: of a man made creation that reveals the self to 770 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,839 Speaker 1: subsequent layers and I think that ultimately my motivation has 771 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:52,840 Speaker 1: gone from more extrinsic to more intrinsic, that at this 772 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: point in my life, I'm less worried about what people think. 773 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: I don't really feel like I have to prove anything 774 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 1: in people. Either I already have or I never will 775 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 1: at some point. And I think at some point it 776 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: just becomes about the thing. I just want to do 777 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: the thing to the purest best of my ability and 778 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 1: to feel like I give to others. And this is 779 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,239 Speaker 1: the other thing is it's amazing to be able to 780 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: buy things and have things. Those experiences are awesome, But 781 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 1: the things that probably give me most joy is like 782 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: sharing things with others or giving things. I totally get now. 783 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,760 Speaker 1: I never understood, like why people like giving away things. 784 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: I didn't really understand it was not intuitive to make 785 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,880 Speaker 1: growing up. I was parents of social worker, I was 786 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: kind of middle class. And now I realize there's I 787 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 1: don't want to say a selfishness to it, but you 788 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,799 Speaker 1: get something. You get something from giving. It's not just 789 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 1: this moral obligation. You actually get something. And when you 790 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,840 Speaker 1: get is this sense of love and connection by giving something, 791 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 1: by giving love, you kind of get it back in return, 792 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:54,360 Speaker 1: And I think, ultimately, like I think me as a 793 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 1: I as a leader, I never saw something like me 794 00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: growing up. I went to design school and like, no, 795 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 1: there was a there's weird thing Jay where I get 796 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: to Risdy the reroons call design, and there was an 797 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 1: obsession about getting designed the boardroom, and Joe and I 798 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 1: were like so like audaciously thought why should design be 799 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 1: in the board and we can run the boardroom. But 800 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 1: of course, like designers that people never thought started companies. 801 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 1: And there's an old saying art is a question the 802 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 1: problem in the world, and design is the answer. And 803 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 1: Joe and I wanted to seek answers to problems in 804 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 1: the world, and one answer was we can't pay rent. 805 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 1: So we created this thing called Airben and Breakfasts airbeds 806 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:34,440 Speaker 1: instead of beds for airben and Breakfast. But ultimately, you know, 807 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,400 Speaker 1: I think a business person. I am a business person ostensibly, 808 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 1: but I think a business person's goal is to make 809 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,479 Speaker 1: money and a designer's goal is to solve a problem. 810 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 1: And of course I'm doing both. I probably sit at 811 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: the intersection, but I don't get out of bed every 812 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,319 Speaker 1: day to make money. I get at bet every day 813 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,279 Speaker 1: to like design, something amazing, and of course I can 814 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,279 Speaker 1: pay money, I can fund it, and that's just a 815 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,759 Speaker 1: kind of motivation and that probably can keep me going 816 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 1: for a really really long time. And I find that 817 00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,400 Speaker 1: a lot of companies they get really cold as they 818 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 1: get big. That you start something for love. You're the customer. 819 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 1: You talk to the customers, and at some point the 820 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 1: company grows and you start with the head and the heart, 821 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 1: you like, putting your love into it. You're intuitive. No 822 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 1: startup is data oriented because there is no data. If 823 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 1: you have an idea, there is no data, So you 824 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 1: go off your intuition. You do something because you believe 825 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,920 Speaker 1: in it. And then at some point you get so big, 826 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 1: the company gets financialized, there's a lot more data, and 827 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 1: you start making decisions with the heart and now with 828 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 1: the head and one side of your head. And you 829 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,279 Speaker 1: look at the Fortune five hundred. How many CEOs and 830 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 1: the Fortune five hundred are truly like have any creative 831 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:40,120 Speaker 1: background whatsoever? Identifies creators? Almost none? Okay, how many boards 832 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 1: there's twelve members and average of a Fortune five hundred 833 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,360 Speaker 1: bard that's like probably six thousand members and the Fortune 834 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,880 Speaker 1: five and how many boards have like creative people? 835 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:48,959 Speaker 2: Not many? 836 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,799 Speaker 1: How many executive teams have it. And so I guess 837 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 1: the question is, like, there's nothing wrong with the scientific method. 838 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:56,359 Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong. 839 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,080 Speaker 1: It's great, but we need to We talk about diversity 840 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 1: a lot in corporate Mamaer, there's a type of diversity. 841 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 1: We need a diversity of artists and scientists, of head 842 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,279 Speaker 1: and heart. You need all those things to solve the 843 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 1: biggest problems today. And if Airbnb could be viewed as 844 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,240 Speaker 1: like a design driven company, like the world's biggest risky 845 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 1: project that just never stopped, you know, a company with 846 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 1: like a sense of a spirit, a sense you know, 847 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 1: our logo is like an inverted heart. It was meant 848 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,960 Speaker 1: to be this idea almost of this like beating heart, 849 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,239 Speaker 1: like this lifeblood that would flow through the community. And 850 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:33,840 Speaker 1: I'm not saying we do all that. That might be 851 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,680 Speaker 1: an ideal that we've never gotten to but you can. 852 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:38,480 Speaker 1: But we can or will die trying. 853 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,239 Speaker 3: You've sparked a lot of thoughts for me that I'd 854 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 3: love to share with you. That you've reminded me of 855 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 3: so many things. My mind is connecting so many dots 856 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 3: with what you're sharing. The first thing that came to 857 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 3: mind is it's really there's a beautiful statement by Paul Tillich, 858 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 3: who's a writer, who said that it's fascinating that there 859 00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,720 Speaker 3: are two words in the English language for being alone, 860 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 3: yet we only use one of them. And he said 861 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 3: the two words are loneliness, which is the word we use, 862 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,399 Speaker 3: and the other is solitude. And when you said we're 863 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 3: disconnected from the earth, we're disconnected from each other, but 864 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 3: really we're disconnected from ourselves. It's because of a lack 865 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,120 Speaker 3: of solitude. When I lived as a monk, being comfortable 866 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,800 Speaker 3: being alone was the first lesson of the day. Wow, 867 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,040 Speaker 3: because the idea was. 868 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,439 Speaker 2: That how do you learn how to do that? 869 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,880 Speaker 3: Well, there's many technique techniques. One of the first techniques 870 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,080 Speaker 3: is if you just sit with yourself for long enough, 871 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 3: you start to see so much in yourself that what 872 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,759 Speaker 3: connects back to what you said at the beginning. If 873 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,799 Speaker 3: you're able to explore and take an expedition into the 874 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,839 Speaker 3: darkest parts of yourself, if you're able to go into 875 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,920 Speaker 3: the inner sky and extrapolate all of the feelings, the messages, 876 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,520 Speaker 3: the emotions, the things you like, the things you don't like. Now, 877 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 3: when you sit opposite another human you can see the 878 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 3: complexity and the simplicity of them as well the challenges 879 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:55,640 Speaker 3: we've never looked at our own darkness. 880 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 1: And there's a great one of the late great mythologists 881 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 1: to the twentieth century you probably knows, Joseph Campbell. Of course, 882 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,799 Speaker 1: he had this great quote, the cave you fear to 883 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,759 Speaker 1: enter lies the treasure that you seek. And I think 884 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,919 Speaker 1: that so many of the things we do in life 885 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 1: are to run away from things, to avoid opening that 886 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:15,719 Speaker 1: closet to see what that monster is. 887 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,840 Speaker 2: But that's where the treasure is exactly. 888 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,319 Speaker 3: And so being trained to sit with that monster with 889 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,360 Speaker 3: the discomfort of what that actually looks and feels like. 890 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,560 Speaker 3: And what you were just saying now about this heart 891 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,719 Speaker 3: and this head, or the design and the art and 892 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,840 Speaker 3: the creative and the entrepreneurial. I think it's so powerful 893 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,359 Speaker 3: because so you mentioned Steve is a is a hero 894 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,400 Speaker 3: of yours. Same with me. I feel like I've studied 895 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,360 Speaker 3: everything he's ever said or Wrisen and one of the 896 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,960 Speaker 3: things I love this was an interview that Mark Zuckerberg 897 00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,520 Speaker 3: was doing with Prime Minister Modi from India and he 898 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,560 Speaker 3: said this on stage to Mody. I believe this was 899 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 3: in San Franz and Mark said to him, he said, 900 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,960 Speaker 3: when he was struggling with the direction of Facebook now 901 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,239 Speaker 3: meta in two thousand and nine, which is five years old, 902 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,799 Speaker 3: Facebook is right. He went to his mentor, his mentor 903 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,920 Speaker 3: having to be Steve Jobs, and he said to Steve, 904 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 3: he said, what do I do. I'm struggling. I don't 905 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 3: know which direction Facebook should go in. Now, if you 906 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,480 Speaker 3: think about two thousand and nine, Steve Jobs is undoubtedly 907 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 3: one of the most connected humans on the planet, has 908 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,400 Speaker 3: access to money, tech, everything you could possibly ask for. 909 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:14,640 Speaker 3: And Steve says to him, I want you to go 910 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 3: and live in an ushram in India. Wow, for I 911 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,319 Speaker 3: want you to go live then, I promise you if 912 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,800 Speaker 3: you go there, you'll figure out the direction of Facebook. 913 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,440 Speaker 3: And Mark said he actually went to that monastery, that ushram, 914 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 3: and he said, in that ushroom, that's where he decided 915 00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 3: that at that time, Facebook was about connecting people. 916 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,359 Speaker 2: Oh wow, and yeah. 917 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:33,960 Speaker 3: And what I find fascinating. The reason why I like 918 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,440 Speaker 3: to share that story is I'm always fascinated by what 919 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,920 Speaker 3: a tech entrepreneur thinks as much as what I'm fascinated 920 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,480 Speaker 3: what a monk thinks, because it's that cross pollination, it's 921 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,680 Speaker 3: that extreme of diverse thought, where those two things don't collide, 922 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,880 Speaker 3: they don't have the same agenda. We're not living in 923 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,400 Speaker 3: an echo chamber. When you're talking to an artist and 924 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,120 Speaker 3: an entrepreneur, there's no echo chamber. You've broken it open 925 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,000 Speaker 3: now and so for me. MIT did a study on 926 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,879 Speaker 3: that where they found that the most innovate of employees 927 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,120 Speaker 3: inside an organization were people who didn't know people who 928 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,880 Speaker 3: knew the same people. There were people who knew people 929 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:12,360 Speaker 3: who had random connections, so their network chart was completely uncorrelated, 930 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,600 Speaker 3: whereas people who had networks who were correlated were less 931 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:16,680 Speaker 3: likely to be creative and. 932 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,520 Speaker 1: On a fewer unknown discoveries. And I feel like in 933 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,520 Speaker 1: my own life, like Steve has saying, you can't connect 934 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,080 Speaker 1: the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. 935 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,440 Speaker 1: I grew up playing ice hockey, I played team sports. 936 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,240 Speaker 1: I went to a military high school, a design college 937 00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,080 Speaker 1: where I first studied fine art, then design. Then I 938 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,880 Speaker 1: went to MIT for a semester with a cross enrollment 939 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,640 Speaker 1: product development program. Then I went to Los Angeles as 940 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,279 Speaker 1: in a designer at a firm. Then I went to 941 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,480 Speaker 1: Silk and Valley with very little and like got thrust 942 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,920 Speaker 1: into the technology industry. And it turns out that like 943 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,839 Speaker 1: I did not know how any of these experiences would 944 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,359 Speaker 1: add up together, and they all came to me and 945 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,440 Speaker 1: every single one of them have used every single experience, 946 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,640 Speaker 1: but I could never have reversed engineered how to get there. 947 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,200 Speaker 1: And it is amazing that, like Steve used to say, 948 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,839 Speaker 1: the best engineers were also poets, and it was really 949 00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,560 Speaker 1: saying that, like creativity is about connecting dots, it's about 950 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,560 Speaker 1: having disparate experiences and bringing them to together. And if 951 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,960 Speaker 1: you haven't had a lot of different experiences, if you 952 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,279 Speaker 1: aren't very multidisciplinary, you're not going to be ill. I mean, 953 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,759 Speaker 1: Einstein was like a violinist. I think a lot of 954 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,839 Speaker 1: the greatest scientists have leaps of the imagination. They're not 955 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,360 Speaker 1: just using empirical information. And a lot of the greatest 956 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,560 Speaker 1: artists they haven't organized minds. Sometimes they have a fascination 957 00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,360 Speaker 1: with numbers, and so you start to you start to 958 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,400 Speaker 1: bring things together, and I think that is exactly what 959 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,080 Speaker 1: we probably need in this world. I mean, we need 960 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,120 Speaker 1: more creativity. You know, whenever you see two bad options, 961 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 1: you don't like it. The right answer is the third option. 962 00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,680 Speaker 1: The third option is one you haven't come up with 963 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,440 Speaker 1: yet that requires novel, innovative, imaginative thinking. Where does it 964 00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,480 Speaker 1: even come from? Where does creativity come from? Activity? 965 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:01,080 Speaker 2: You know? 966 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,400 Speaker 1: But I don't know if Einstein never said this, but 967 00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,600 Speaker 1: there's a quote attribute to him that is that logic 968 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,719 Speaker 1: can take you from a di zy, but imagination can 969 00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,040 Speaker 1: take you anywhere. I love that quote. Don't know if 970 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:12,799 Speaker 1: you said it, but I believe it. But where does 971 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,880 Speaker 1: that come from? Where does imagination and creativity come from? 972 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,160 Speaker 1: I think comes from a sense of openness, It comes 973 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,920 Speaker 1: from curiosity. It comes from maybe not first following your passion, 974 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,399 Speaker 1: but following your curiosity with a deep intensity, and being 975 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,880 Speaker 1: curious about so many different things, and trusting that you 976 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,799 Speaker 1: can be curious about something and learn about something, not 977 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,600 Speaker 1: knowing it will ever be useful, and have the trust 978 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,680 Speaker 1: to say that every single thing you'll do in your 979 00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,879 Speaker 1: life you'll do with accumulation of every single experience you've 980 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,680 Speaker 1: had before, and that the more places you've gone, the 981 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,160 Speaker 1: more people you meet, the more things you learn, it 982 00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,960 Speaker 1: will all come to you and you might not know 983 00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,800 Speaker 1: ahead of time how it will be useful. And honestly, 984 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,640 Speaker 1: if I hadn't gone to military school, I probably wouldn't 985 00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,800 Speaker 1: been so organized. If I didn't go to design school, 986 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,279 Speaker 1: we probably wouldn't have been as creative and innovative in 987 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,960 Speaker 1: our thinking. If I hadn't played team sports, I probably 988 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't have understood about camaraderie. If my parents are social workers, 989 00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,120 Speaker 1: I don't think I would have had this focus on 990 00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:11,800 Speaker 1: service and connecting people. 991 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,240 Speaker 2: And I could never have imagined any. 992 00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,640 Speaker 1: Of those things being useful because growing up, I didn't 993 00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,359 Speaker 1: know what I wanted to be. I wasn't athletic enough 994 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,680 Speaker 1: to be a famous athlete. I was enhanced enough to 995 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,239 Speaker 1: be an actor. I wasn't going to singer to be 996 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,960 Speaker 1: a musician. I did not think I was going to 997 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,959 Speaker 1: be an astronalm politician. And so I'm like, I don't 998 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,239 Speaker 1: know who I'm going to be. I don't know what 999 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,040 Speaker 1: I am, And like, the word entrepreneur was a word 1000 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,719 Speaker 1: I'm not even sure I heard of growing up. It 1001 00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,839 Speaker 1: was like to me it was an obscure French term. 1002 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,000 Speaker 1: I didn't know what it meant. And I saw Walt 1003 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,239 Speaker 1: Disney as a kid on television. I thought one day 1004 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:44,840 Speaker 1: I'll work for him, not thinking I would start a 1005 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,240 Speaker 1: company just like him. And I never imagined that was possible. 1006 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,400 Speaker 1: I guess we're all born with unknown potential, as I 1007 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,960 Speaker 1: said before, but you have to live experiences as many 1008 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,319 Speaker 1: as you can you put them together. And I hope 1009 00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,719 Speaker 1: my story inspires people, not for the remarkableness of it, 1010 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,520 Speaker 1: but the ordinariness of who I was before to say that, 1011 00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,200 Speaker 1: like if I joined the Gift in Giving Pledge, if 1012 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,000 Speaker 1: you ask my teachers in high school to predict which 1013 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,480 Speaker 1: of their students would be a signatory the Giving Pledge, 1014 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,359 Speaker 1: I do not think I would have been the top 1015 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,439 Speaker 1: of their list. I don't think that takes anything away 1016 00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,080 Speaker 1: from the teachers. I think it just means that maybe 1017 00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:24,839 Speaker 1: that potential is in so many of us, and it's 1018 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,280 Speaker 1: also maybe a little bit random in anything as possible, 1019 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,040 Speaker 1: and you like the story you tell yourself might not 1020 00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:35,240 Speaker 1: be accurate. And I hope that my story inspires people 1021 00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,400 Speaker 1: from the ordinariness of where it came from. That I 1022 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,719 Speaker 1: was just like everyone else, but like you know, one 1023 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:47,800 Speaker 1: hundred thousand decisions later, with enough resilience, creativity, curiosity, and determination, 1024 00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:50,920 Speaker 1: you wake up one day you're like, oh my god, 1025 00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:51,960 Speaker 1: look where I am. 1026 00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:52,160 Speaker 2: Now. 1027 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,759 Speaker 3: What I really value about that perspective is as you 1028 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,920 Speaker 3: were defining creativity in so many brilliant ways. One thing 1029 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,319 Speaker 3: that came to my mind was creativity is being able 1030 00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,680 Speaker 3: to connect the dots where everyone else sees anomalies. Yes, 1031 00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,400 Speaker 3: and so if you look at your journey just as 1032 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,440 Speaker 3: a series of random dots, they're all anomalies. Social working, 1033 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:15,000 Speaker 3: hockey player, design student, like, they're just random things. But 1034 00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,240 Speaker 3: you're able to actually paint this tapestry where you're going. Well, actually, 1035 00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,680 Speaker 3: everything that I do today and I've often felt that 1036 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,279 Speaker 3: in my own life that I lived as a kid 1037 00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,759 Speaker 3: growing up in London. My favorite subjects at school were 1038 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,160 Speaker 3: are in design, philosophy and economics. Those are my favorite 1039 00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,800 Speaker 3: things in the world. Spent my entire life being immersed 1040 00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,440 Speaker 3: in that world. When traded it in to go to 1041 00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,480 Speaker 3: cast Business School to study management science with a focus 1042 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,520 Speaker 3: on behavor science, because I thought it gave me a career, 1043 00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,120 Speaker 3: only to give it all up, the safe job, to 1044 00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,520 Speaker 3: go live as a monk, to then come back to 1045 00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,440 Speaker 3: the real world, go back into the world of business 1046 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,480 Speaker 3: because I just had to pay the bills and survive, 1047 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,040 Speaker 3: went into consulting, then came out and do media now. 1048 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,840 Speaker 3: And I completely agree with everything you've. 1049 00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,680 Speaker 1: Just said, probably the thing that makes you so unique 1050 00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:02,320 Speaker 1: is like you were a monk and you are an entrepreneur, 1051 00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,200 Speaker 1: and you lived in London and you lived in New York, 1052 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:11,000 Speaker 1: and like the accumulation all those experiences together, right is 1053 00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,239 Speaker 1: made has made you who you are, not one of them, 1054 00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,040 Speaker 1: all of them. And I think that like the one 1055 00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,040 Speaker 1: advice I would give my college self is to try 1056 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,080 Speaker 1: more things and have more experiences and don't seek status. 1057 00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:23,799 Speaker 1: And part of the reason why one should not seek 1058 00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,680 Speaker 1: status is because we can't even predict what industries will 1059 00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,279 Speaker 1: be around the future. Like growing up, status to me 1060 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,919 Speaker 1: was like I don't know, it was like being an 1061 00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,480 Speaker 1: investment banker or something or something, and I don't know, 1062 00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,279 Speaker 1: it was like fields that may not even totally exist 1063 00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,640 Speaker 1: in their current form in the future. So you know, 1064 00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,719 Speaker 1: I like to say, like you should do things you're 1065 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,279 Speaker 1: good up. You tend to be good at things you're 1066 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,680 Speaker 1: interested and you should seek out whatever you're curious about, 1067 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,960 Speaker 1: whatever you're interested in, and then you want to get 1068 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,640 Speaker 1: to the frontier in some way. At some point you'll 1069 00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,600 Speaker 1: learn everything and you'll get to the edge of all 1070 00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,640 Speaker 1: that's known about that subject. And that is an uncomfortable period. 1071 00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,520 Speaker 1: Where you spere off the ledge of a cliff, and 1072 00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,360 Speaker 1: that is where you enter a frontier. And if you 1073 00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,680 Speaker 1: can then pure of the edge of cliff and then 1074 00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,440 Speaker 1: get a little bit further and extend or understand and 1075 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,759 Speaker 1: give us a little bit more land, that is how 1076 00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,600 Speaker 1: you like add to as Steve Jobs said, that's how 1077 00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,800 Speaker 1: you give your love back to the species and create 1078 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,520 Speaker 1: something for other people. And I think, I think it's 1079 00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,279 Speaker 1: amazing that like anyone can do that. You know you 1080 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,200 Speaker 1: can do it because anyone can do it any scale, 1081 00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,800 Speaker 1: you know, and you can do it in your humble way, 1082 00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,120 Speaker 1: like on the side, something small, or you can do 1083 00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,120 Speaker 1: it in a really big way. But it feels the 1084 00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:32,560 Speaker 1: same no matter what the scale. 1085 00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,600 Speaker 3: You just thought us what you'd say to your youngest 1086 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,480 Speaker 3: self if you met your youngest self. Now, let's do 1087 00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,600 Speaker 3: this exercise. What do you think your youngest self would 1088 00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,880 Speaker 3: say to you? What would it be proud of? And 1089 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,960 Speaker 3: what would your youngest self say, we need to reconnect 1090 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:47,200 Speaker 3: with this. 1091 00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,640 Speaker 1: The first thing my younger self would say is, oh 1092 00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,080 Speaker 1: my god, how did you do all this? And I 1093 00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:58,080 Speaker 1: would be totally perplexed. When I started, me and my friends, 1094 00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:59,880 Speaker 1: I said, this will be huge one day, thousands of 1095 00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,840 Speaker 1: people will do this like that was my sense of 1096 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,799 Speaker 1: what was possible. It's hard to dream of something you've 1097 00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,280 Speaker 1: never been exposed to, and it's hard to imagine becoming 1098 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,960 Speaker 1: something when you didn't have any data that you could 1099 00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,200 Speaker 1: ever do anything like that in your past. And so 1100 00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,120 Speaker 1: I do not think my younger self, I'd say, my 1101 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,120 Speaker 1: college self, did not think I could run like a 1102 00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,839 Speaker 1: fortune five hundred company. You know, you know, for every 1103 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,680 Speaker 1: one thousand, five hundred dollars spent in the world, one 1104 00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,719 Speaker 1: dollar spent in Airbnb, did I think I get lead 1105 00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,160 Speaker 1: an organization that's facility on? 1106 00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:31,319 Speaker 2: No, I did not think I did. 1107 00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,200 Speaker 1: And so that would be probably the thing I would 1108 00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,719 Speaker 1: be like surprised in a very positive way. But the 1109 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,880 Speaker 1: other thing I would probably say, as well, I'm forty 1110 00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:44,160 Speaker 1: one years old when I live alone, and I probably 1111 00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,920 Speaker 1: thought by now I would have a family, and. 1112 00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:49,840 Speaker 2: I've always wanted to have one. 1113 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,920 Speaker 1: And I think that for all the like attention adulation 1114 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,279 Speaker 1: I get, I think I would have maybe looked at 1115 00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:01,120 Speaker 1: my life now or my recent life and identified a 1116 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:05,680 Speaker 1: little bit of isolation. And I think the lesson is 1117 00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,880 Speaker 1: the couple things. One I think that things have happened 1118 00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,360 Speaker 1: in a different order than I imagined. It's hard to predict. 1119 00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,440 Speaker 1: I thought I wouldn't. I didn't think i'd be this 1120 00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:14,880 Speaker 1: far along in my career, and I probably think I 1121 00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,760 Speaker 1: probably thought i'd be further along and have something different 1122 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,440 Speaker 1: in my personal life. And I also would probably I 1123 00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,440 Speaker 1: would hope the college me would tell myself, now, you 1124 00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:28,000 Speaker 1: don't have to keep proving something to anyone, because you've 1125 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,200 Speaker 1: proven more to me than I ever thought was possible. 1126 00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,279 Speaker 1: And I think that, like part of me, and this 1127 00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:34,560 Speaker 1: is probably true of a lot of people, we have 1128 00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,839 Speaker 1: this tape loop of like whatever we thought ourselves as 1129 00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,640 Speaker 1: a child, like it's just frozen in times, repeating ourselves, 1130 00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,239 Speaker 1: and you just compulsively just keep doing something. And like 1131 00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,840 Speaker 1: many people have addictions, and I probably had one that 1132 00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,000 Speaker 1: was probably work, and I think i'd have to. I 1133 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,359 Speaker 1: would hope my child self would or my younger self 1134 00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,520 Speaker 1: would remind me that, you know, maybe there would be 1135 00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,040 Speaker 1: a wisdom that like the happiest periods of my life 1136 00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:57,840 Speaker 1: were with other people. 1137 00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,640 Speaker 3: Thank you for that, thank you for opening up and 1138 00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,040 Speaker 3: going there. And I felt that what is a thought 1139 00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:04,840 Speaker 3: that you say you have? Too often? 1140 00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,640 Speaker 1: I wonder what they'll think speaking of doctor waldenker Robber, 1141 00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:11,960 Speaker 1: But I met him last week for the first time, 1142 00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:13,360 Speaker 1: and you've had them on your show. 1143 00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,000 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, we've spent a lot of time together. I 1144 00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:15,440 Speaker 3: love them. 1145 00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,319 Speaker 1: Something you told me last week that really stood out 1146 00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,880 Speaker 1: to me said, one of the biggest regrets that people 1147 00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,240 Speaker 1: have in their life is having lived their life worrying 1148 00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,879 Speaker 1: what other people think. And I kind of understand why, 1149 00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,520 Speaker 1: like from a like evolutionary standpoint, like you kind of 1150 00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,279 Speaker 1: have to care people think because you have to fit in, 1151 00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:32,760 Speaker 1: and if you don't fit in, you don't belong. 1152 00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:33,640 Speaker 2: You're isolated. 1153 00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,360 Speaker 1: If you're isolated, it's a death sentence when there's the 1154 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,200 Speaker 1: only thing you have is the village. But it turns 1155 00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,480 Speaker 1: out that like that is not true anymore, that like 1156 00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,960 Speaker 1: it's okay to be misunderstood, and that it doesn't maybe 1157 00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,799 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what people think, or maybe it doesn't 1158 00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,279 Speaker 1: matter what you think today, and that some of the 1159 00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:53,319 Speaker 1: greatest things I've ever done I was at least temporarily misunderstood, 1160 00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,120 Speaker 1: and maybe it only matters what a few people think, 1161 00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:01,640 Speaker 1: and maybe just maybe the person that most matters what 1162 00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,759 Speaker 1: they think is yourself. Right that you just listen to 1163 00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,399 Speaker 1: your own voice, not other voices. And I think if 1164 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,560 Speaker 1: I can do that, you know, artists will call the 1165 00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,359 Speaker 1: artistic integrity, right. You had Rick Rubin on the show. 1166 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,040 Speaker 1: He talks about, like the best way to make a 1167 00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,839 Speaker 1: popular song is to make something you like, and that's 1168 00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:24,759 Speaker 1: about it, not make something for somebody else. And that's 1169 00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,480 Speaker 1: that's something I have to continue to do. And the 1170 00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,200 Speaker 1: crazy thing is the more successful you get, the more 1171 00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,480 Speaker 1: you start kind of performing for an audience. And you 1172 00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:37,560 Speaker 1: have to be very careful about performing for and appeasing 1173 00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,600 Speaker 1: an audience. And once you become something, people expect you 1174 00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,839 Speaker 1: to be that thing. You know, imagine like you happen 1175 00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,239 Speaker 1: to be something forever. But what if you change? What 1176 00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,040 Speaker 1: if you grow? What if you want to do different things? 1177 00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,239 Speaker 1: And that's a challenge I have right the air, and 1178 00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:54,160 Speaker 1: Bee brand means something. I be careful about changing that brand. 1179 00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:58,080 Speaker 1: It stands for something. And yet I, as a person, 1180 00:56:58,120 --> 00:56:59,960 Speaker 1: am not meant to be the same person every year. 1181 00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:01,960 Speaker 1: I mean how could I be? I learn, I grow, 1182 00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,920 Speaker 1: I change, I have new experiences, and so having the 1183 00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,120 Speaker 1: permission to continue to change and evolve and not be 1184 00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:13,040 Speaker 1: so self conscious of what people think, that's something that 1185 00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,240 Speaker 1: I always struggle with because I don't know part of me. 1186 00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,520 Speaker 1: I think I'm like a people pleaser, and one of 1187 00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:23,400 Speaker 1: my challenges historically be is like some people like, I'm like, 1188 00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:27,360 Speaker 1: I don't always like interpersonal conflict. I like to appease people, 1189 00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,400 Speaker 1: make them happy, and that's got a good side, and 1190 00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,520 Speaker 1: it also can be a bit of a prison over time, 1191 00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,160 Speaker 1: and the bigger you get, the higher the walls get. 1192 00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:36,840 Speaker 3: I want to just point out something you said that 1193 00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,640 Speaker 3: was so subtle but so powerful for everyone's listening and watching. 1194 00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:41,840 Speaker 3: I've never heard it put that way, but the idea 1195 00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,600 Speaker 3: that we often think it doesn't matter what people think, 1196 00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,520 Speaker 3: and you said, it doesn't matter what they think today, 1197 00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,680 Speaker 3: And that was so subtle but so powerful, because I 1198 00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,280 Speaker 3: think when we live in a world we're like, oh, 1199 00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,000 Speaker 3: it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. It's it can 1200 00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:54,680 Speaker 3: be negligent. But the idea that it doesn't matter what 1201 00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,600 Speaker 3: they think today about what I'm thinking, and. 1202 00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,439 Speaker 1: Thank god, yeah, thank god. 1203 00:57:59,480 --> 00:57:59,880 Speaker 2: You know why. 1204 00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,040 Speaker 1: When we first came to the idea, one of my 1205 00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,720 Speaker 1: first investors said, don't worry about people stealing your idea. 1206 00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,680 Speaker 1: If it's any good, everyone will dismiss it. We tend 1207 00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,480 Speaker 1: to believe things were good. In hindsight, some of the 1208 00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:16,560 Speaker 1: most revolutionary people and ideas were revolutionary because they're misunderstood 1209 00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,200 Speaker 1: in their time. That if you have to be at 1210 00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,200 Speaker 1: some point in your life willing to be misunderstood and 1211 00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,240 Speaker 1: the solitude you can have are two things. 1212 00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:24,640 Speaker 2: I think. 1213 00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,000 Speaker 1: Number one, to not be so attached to it, to 1214 00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,880 Speaker 1: realize that ultimately you can't predict the outcome. Just do 1215 00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,280 Speaker 1: what you believe, follow your heart, and if it's true, 1216 00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,120 Speaker 1: whatever has happened is meant to be. But the other 1217 00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,680 Speaker 1: thing you can do is to escape into the future, 1218 00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,600 Speaker 1: to say, to have this vision we call the vision 1219 00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,640 Speaker 1: for a reason, you've envisioned something that people don't see it, 1220 00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,439 Speaker 1: and say, I'm willing to be mis understood to try 1221 00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,040 Speaker 1: to follow this thing, and if I believe it enough, 1222 00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:54,760 Speaker 1: eventually other people might see it. And if you are 1223 00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,919 Speaker 1: able to be misunderstood just for a little bit, that's 1224 00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,760 Speaker 1: what it feels like to truly revolutionize something and change something. 1225 00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,560 Speaker 3: There's a beautiful statement which is probably my favorite, which 1226 00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:09,040 Speaker 3: you've just encapsulated so well. It's from Charles Houghton Cooley. 1227 00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,600 Speaker 3: He wrote it in eighteen ninety six or something, like that. 1228 00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:14,480 Speaker 3: So he said this early and when you hear it, 1229 00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,840 Speaker 3: you're like, wow, that was said yesterday. He said, the 1230 00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,720 Speaker 3: challenge today is I'm not what I think I am. 1231 00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,320 Speaker 3: I'm not what you think I am. I am what 1232 00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:27,120 Speaker 3: I think you think I am. Oh, And he said, 1233 00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,400 Speaker 3: we live in this perception of a perception of ourselves. 1234 00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:31,800 Speaker 3: So we don't even know what we look like. We 1235 00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,480 Speaker 3: are who we think other people think we are. And 1236 00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:40,280 Speaker 3: that's twice removed from yourself. And that distance we create 1237 00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,440 Speaker 3: from our understanding of ourselves versus what we think someone 1238 00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,040 Speaker 3: thinks of us totally, how will you ever know? What 1239 00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:49,600 Speaker 3: do you think is something you are still trying to 1240 00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,760 Speaker 3: understand about yourself? Or if you think you misunderstand a 1241 00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:55,720 Speaker 3: part of who Brian is, what are you still trying 1242 00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:56,280 Speaker 3: to understand? 1243 00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,400 Speaker 1: I think that we tend to have an outdated image 1244 00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,240 Speaker 1: of ourselves and that makes sense, right, Like, think about 1245 01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,640 Speaker 1: I'm forty one years old, so my image of myself 1246 01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:05,560 Speaker 1: is the average of the last forty one years. And 1247 01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:07,880 Speaker 1: if the average the last forty one years, the median 1248 01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,600 Speaker 1: is twenty years old. And so I still see myself 1249 01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:16,160 Speaker 1: a little bit like that person and people most people 1250 01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:17,880 Speaker 1: see me today and a lot of people are going 1251 01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:19,760 Speaker 1: to see me for the first time right now, and 1252 01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,600 Speaker 1: that's their impression, and that's a delta. And I often wonder, 1253 01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,880 Speaker 1: like sometimes I, you know, I probably have had a 1254 01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,080 Speaker 1: little bit of imposter syndrome, like what do people see me? 1255 01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:30,040 Speaker 2: And why do they follow me? 1256 01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,840 Speaker 1: And like because they do, Like at some point you're 1257 01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,560 Speaker 1: a leader, and you're a leader because people choose to 1258 01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,240 Speaker 1: follow you and you don't like impose yourself on them. 1259 01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:42,000 Speaker 1: They ultimately believe in something. And I think I'm still 1260 01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,880 Speaker 1: trying to like maybe come to terms with that, like 1261 01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,560 Speaker 1: what does this all mean? I think I'm still trying 1262 01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,920 Speaker 1: to understand what will make me happy, especially at a 1263 01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,640 Speaker 1: personal level. I think I've found what will make me 1264 01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:58,200 Speaker 1: happy at a professional level. I was really lucky that 1265 01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,160 Speaker 1: I discovered something that I love very early on. I 1266 01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,080 Speaker 1: found a perfect harmony between what I was good at, 1267 01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,120 Speaker 1: what I loved, and what kind of society valued, and 1268 01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,959 Speaker 1: those things just clicked into place and I was able 1269 01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,320 Speaker 1: to find it. But I think I've been on a 1270 01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:15,360 Speaker 1: lot longer journey to figure out like what will make 1271 01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,360 Speaker 1: me happy, like in a larger sense of the word. 1272 01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:23,480 Speaker 1: And it turns out that success and status to some 1273 01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:27,200 Speaker 1: extent have benefits, and you know, but it's not it's 1274 01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,800 Speaker 1: certainly to say it's not. Everything's an understatement. I think 1275 01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,720 Speaker 1: I'm still trying to I was still trying to learn that, 1276 01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:37,560 Speaker 1: and maybe I'm trying to figure out, you know, at 1277 01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:42,160 Speaker 1: this age with so much so many resources, like I 1278 01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,200 Speaker 1: almost feel like in a way, my life's just beginning, 1279 01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,440 Speaker 1: and so it's just beginning then, and I can't connect 1280 01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,760 Speaker 1: the dots looking forward. It's a discovery of who am 1281 01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,520 Speaker 1: I and who am I meant to become? Like is 1282 01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,120 Speaker 1: this my story or is this the end of the 1283 01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,720 Speaker 1: middle of the story the beginning of the story, and 1284 01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,920 Speaker 1: what am I meant to do next? And I'm kind 1285 01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:05,040 Speaker 1: of learning a lot more about myself every year. 1286 01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:09,200 Speaker 3: That's a brilliant mindset. That's so empowering, and I'm hoping 1287 01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:10,280 Speaker 3: for everyone's listening and watching. 1288 01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:10,760 Speaker 1: That is so. 1289 01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:17,920 Speaker 3: Phenomenal to hear from you, because that is the journey 1290 01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:19,960 Speaker 3: of life. Like the questions you just laid out, Like 1291 01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,000 Speaker 3: if you weren't asking those questions, how boring would life be? 1292 01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:23,320 Speaker 2: Like? 1293 01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,400 Speaker 3: How unmeaningful and unfulfilling would it be? And the fact 1294 01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,600 Speaker 3: that you're ansking those questions at this. 1295 01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:30,960 Speaker 2: Point, maybe one of the things I ask, oh, of course, 1296 01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:32,040 Speaker 2: you can add wherever you want. 1297 01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:37,120 Speaker 1: So over a year ago it was February Russian Vita Ukraine. 1298 01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,160 Speaker 1: We got word that there'd be like millions or refugees. 1299 01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:45,200 Speaker 1: And when this broke out, I remember my co founder 1300 01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:50,960 Speaker 1: Joe calling me up and him telling me something. He said, 1301 01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:54,680 Speaker 1: when a crisis of the scale happens, we should ask 1302 01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:58,000 Speaker 1: ourselves one question, and that question is how can we help? 1303 01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,800 Speaker 1: And I always wanted to believe that if I was 1304 01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:02,560 Speaker 1: like a CEO durn World War two, I would have 1305 01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:06,200 Speaker 1: like been helpful, and I want I always try to 1306 01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,600 Speaker 1: use That's the other device I use. I try to 1307 01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:10,840 Speaker 1: think about how I'll be viewed in the future, but 1308 01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:12,880 Speaker 1: I also want to I always think in how do 1309 01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:14,960 Speaker 1: I want to be remembered even if no one will 1310 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,000 Speaker 1: remember me? And I think anyone can do that. How 1311 01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:18,960 Speaker 1: do you want to be remembered by history, even if 1312 01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:22,160 Speaker 1: it's just an intellectual device, because maybe not a lot 1313 01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:24,280 Speaker 1: of people will remember. That's okay, but live your life 1314 01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:28,000 Speaker 1: as if you be remembered. And what I realized is 1315 01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:29,720 Speaker 1: one of the most important things. And then we ended 1316 01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,720 Speaker 1: up helping provide housing for one hundred thousand refugees, and 1317 01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:36,000 Speaker 1: it was an incredible team effort, but it came from 1318 01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,920 Speaker 1: this basic idea of how can I help? And maybe 1319 01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:40,840 Speaker 1: that is the other version of my question in my 1320 01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:44,440 Speaker 1: life at this point, you know, how can I help? 1321 01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:45,760 Speaker 1: With everything I have? 1322 01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:45,960 Speaker 2: That? 1323 01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:48,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I've hired some of the most talented people 1324 01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:51,840 Speaker 1: in the world, we have enormous amounts of resources, we 1325 01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:56,520 Speaker 1: have this incredibly advanced technology, I have this pretty big megaphone. 1326 01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:57,920 Speaker 2: What do I do with that? 1327 01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:02,680 Speaker 1: And I hope that what I do provides me happiness. 1328 01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,480 Speaker 1: And I've noticed that the things that make me happy 1329 01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:07,600 Speaker 1: are like kind of helping and giving others. I don't 1330 01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:09,720 Speaker 1: mean to sound cliche, but like you start to realize 1331 01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,200 Speaker 1: like what provides happiness and value for you. And so 1332 01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,840 Speaker 1: that's kind of something that I keep thinking about. And 1333 01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:21,120 Speaker 1: that's what I love about, Like entrepreneurship and creativity and design, 1334 01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:25,600 Speaker 1: is you make something, maybe initially for yourself, but then 1335 01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,160 Speaker 1: for other people, and the real joy is seeing them 1336 01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:28,520 Speaker 1: use it. 1337 01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:32,120 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think I was really fortunate when I lived 1338 01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:36,040 Speaker 3: as a monk. Service was trained as the highest act. 1339 01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,840 Speaker 3: Service was like imprinted in US as the highest act 1340 01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,080 Speaker 3: that the act of giving, the act of serving others 1341 01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:45,720 Speaker 3: the interesting, and it was so counterintuitive to everything I'd 1342 01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:47,800 Speaker 3: learned growing up in London, because it was always about 1343 01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:51,160 Speaker 3: getting and achieving, and giving and serving were never part 1344 01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:54,600 Speaker 3: of even our vocabulary, let alone being a part of life. 1345 01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:57,479 Speaker 3: And I realize now, and I see that today, that 1346 01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:01,520 Speaker 3: when everyone, when anyone gets to point of getting everything, 1347 01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,000 Speaker 3: all they can do is give it away in the 1348 01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,400 Speaker 3: right in a way that fuel them to a mission 1349 01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,320 Speaker 3: that is aligned with their purpose, not just not just 1350 01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:13,200 Speaker 3: you know, wherever it goes exactly, but in a meaningful way. 1351 01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:15,360 Speaker 3: You talked a bit about which I loved about the 1352 01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,000 Speaker 3: you know, the younger self saying back to you that 1353 01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:21,280 Speaker 3: you know you thought that things would happen in a 1354 01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:21,919 Speaker 3: different order. 1355 01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:22,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. 1356 01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:27,320 Speaker 3: When you think about that, being single being in your words, 1357 01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:32,040 Speaker 3: like being lonely. You're such a mastermind at so many things. 1358 01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:36,280 Speaker 3: What's the thought that blocks that? What's the worry that 1359 01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,520 Speaker 3: comes up, the anxiety that stops you from masterminding that 1360 01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:40,400 Speaker 3: part of your life. 1361 01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,040 Speaker 1: I've been able to look and sign myself to know 1362 01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:46,600 Speaker 1: a number of things. I think that I grew up 1363 01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:50,520 Speaker 1: feeling a little bit like an outsider. I wanted to 1364 01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,560 Speaker 1: feel like anyone like I belong and I found through 1365 01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:58,320 Speaker 1: achievement that, you know, I would feel these feelings that 1366 01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,240 Speaker 1: I thought were like love of it, and I would 1367 01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,280 Speaker 1: feel better, you know, and all that. And I think 1368 01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:07,800 Speaker 1: it's this incredible and positive to a point, but if 1369 01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:12,000 Speaker 1: you're not careful, it can become all consuming. And the 1370 01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:14,760 Speaker 1: thing about a tech company or a startup is like 1371 01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,760 Speaker 1: it's like imagine you, like again, you have a three 1372 01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:19,720 Speaker 1: percent van that's now thirty thousand percent man, or you know, 1373 01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:22,920 Speaker 1: a three million person. It just there's always more you 1374 01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,880 Speaker 1: can do. It can if you're not careful, become like 1375 01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:30,240 Speaker 1: a one dimensional addiction. And I think that it's like 1376 01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,920 Speaker 1: the thing that made me successful was my singular focus, 1377 01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:37,320 Speaker 1: but I have to be careful that the thing that 1378 01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:42,880 Speaker 1: could then turn against me is my singular focus. And 1379 01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,560 Speaker 1: so I think it's like, what I the way to 1380 01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:48,800 Speaker 1: live my life in the next twenty years can't exactly 1381 01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:50,360 Speaker 1: be what I did last one years, But last one 1382 01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,280 Speaker 1: years worked out pretty well, so why would I do 1383 01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:55,600 Speaker 1: anything differently? But of course, if I don't do anything differently, 1384 01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:58,120 Speaker 1: and I'll be fifty or sixty and nothing will have changed. 1385 01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:03,600 Speaker 1: And so I think it's really out like seeking community. 1386 01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,800 Speaker 1: The word community means harmony, to live in, harmony, in 1387 01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:10,280 Speaker 1: balance and having that, And so I think it's just 1388 01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:14,200 Speaker 1: old habits and habits that have been rewarded. So, but 1389 01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:17,240 Speaker 1: you've got to be very careful about those habits. I 1390 01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:18,960 Speaker 1: think that. I think that's what it is. And I 1391 01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:22,520 Speaker 1: also just yeah, I don't know, what do you think. 1392 01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:25,600 Speaker 3: When I listen to you and being with you for 1393 01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:27,480 Speaker 3: the time that we're spending together, and obviously it's the 1394 01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:30,520 Speaker 3: first time we've met. Yeah, you're someone who has extreme 1395 01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:34,640 Speaker 3: clarity about what you want, who you are, what you're 1396 01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:37,240 Speaker 3: working on, what you're struggling on. And my question would be, 1397 01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:42,080 Speaker 3: or my hypothesis is, does that clarity exist around what 1398 01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:43,560 Speaker 3: you want in the personal space. 1399 01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:45,720 Speaker 1: I think that's a big insight. Yeah, and maybe that's 1400 01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:46,760 Speaker 1: what I'm still trying to discover. 1401 01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:49,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say that you sound so clear, Yeah, 1402 01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:52,320 Speaker 3: that if you actually had clarity, then I don't think 1403 01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,480 Speaker 3: it would be hard. It's hard to have clarity. That's 1404 01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:56,960 Speaker 3: the hard clarity. 1405 01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:57,680 Speaker 2: That's a good point. 1406 01:07:57,800 --> 01:07:59,440 Speaker 3: And so when you have clarity, it will be so 1407 01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:01,720 Speaker 3: much more easy if you to create, you can't create 1408 01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:03,920 Speaker 3: something if you don't have clarity, that's a great point, 1409 01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,000 Speaker 3: and so that would be my Yeah, I love that 1410 01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:07,720 Speaker 3: at least, and that's what I was going to ask you, 1411 01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:11,800 Speaker 3: my what at least are those sprinklings of those clues. 1412 01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:13,960 Speaker 3: Let's let's go with that word, what is what are 1413 01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:17,120 Speaker 3: the clues of what you think could develop into clarity 1414 01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:19,519 Speaker 3: around what you're looking for in a personal way. You've 1415 01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,240 Speaker 3: talked about so prolifically about what you want professionally, which 1416 01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:24,920 Speaker 3: is this using Airbnb as this phenomenal platform to build 1417 01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:28,719 Speaker 3: community and connect people and you know, eradicate loneliness, which 1418 01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:31,800 Speaker 3: I love, Like, I love that. That's phenomenal clarity and 1419 01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,840 Speaker 3: so inspiring and I could get behind that today, right, 1420 01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,640 Speaker 3: Like that's so what do you need to get behind yourself? 1421 01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:38,679 Speaker 3: In the personal space? 1422 01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,400 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm professionally like a sixty year old 1423 01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:43,760 Speaker 1: and a forty one year old's body, and personally like 1424 01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:45,479 Speaker 1: a twenty five year old and a forty one year 1425 01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:48,479 Speaker 1: old's body, because I'm like I'm foot in the future 1426 01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:50,400 Speaker 1: and foot in the past, or like I'm in totally 1427 01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:52,720 Speaker 1: different time scales professionally and personally, and it kind of 1428 01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:56,799 Speaker 1: makes sense right where I am a whole bunch of 1429 01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:59,439 Speaker 1: my life maybe was a little more on hold or 1430 01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:01,840 Speaker 1: done in a differ order than I imagined. So the 1431 01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:05,680 Speaker 1: question is, like, how do I get clarity when I 1432 01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:09,760 Speaker 1: started Airbnb? Before before we started Airbnb, I didn't know 1433 01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:11,799 Speaker 1: I wanted to start a tech company and I wanted 1434 01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:14,320 Speaker 1: to be like about bringing helping bring people together. And 1435 01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:15,840 Speaker 1: I was going to start with these two people, and 1436 01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:17,600 Speaker 1: I was going to be a technology founder, and I 1437 01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:19,519 Speaker 1: was going to marry art and science and do all stuff. 1438 01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:23,160 Speaker 1: I couldn't have known any of that, but there were 1439 01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:26,439 Speaker 1: some things I did professionally that are probably clues to 1440 01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:29,200 Speaker 1: what should be done personally. The first thing is I 1441 01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:33,559 Speaker 1: had endless curiosity. I had role models, heroes, people I 1442 01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,080 Speaker 1: looked up to, and you know both you know, well 1443 01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:40,639 Speaker 1: known people and lesser known people. I had an intense curiosity. 1444 01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:44,040 Speaker 1: I was drawn to certain types of people, and I 1445 01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:47,200 Speaker 1: had action. You know, it's like, if you can't follow 1446 01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,200 Speaker 1: your passion, you follow your curiosity, where does it take you? 1447 01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:52,960 Speaker 1: And you know, like, you're not going to start a 1448 01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:57,080 Speaker 1: company by like never like starting, and you're not going 1449 01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:59,840 Speaker 1: to build a personal life you want by not starting either, 1450 01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:02,320 Speaker 1: and so you just go on that journey. 1451 01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:03,639 Speaker 2: And you will, you will. 1452 01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:05,360 Speaker 1: I think you will find what you want if you 1453 01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:06,439 Speaker 1: start and you keep moving. 1454 01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:08,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, that feels right something like that. 1455 01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:12,360 Speaker 3: I'm excited to see you, you know, I'm excited to 1456 01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:16,639 Speaker 3: hear about how you take that short moment of clarity 1457 01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:18,840 Speaker 3: that we've gained into the future. 1458 01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:19,840 Speaker 2: Because no, that's great. 1459 01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,680 Speaker 3: I really, I really really feel that you've found in 1460 01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,320 Speaker 3: your life that you've always been exactly where you're meant 1461 01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:28,000 Speaker 3: to be, not in the luck sense, like you said, 1462 01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,559 Speaker 3: of the right timing, but that each one of your 1463 01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:33,400 Speaker 3: experiences totally has made you make better decisions. 1464 01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,880 Speaker 1: And I think that that maybe the like exciting thing 1465 01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,960 Speaker 1: is like what if I can't connect the dots looking forward, 1466 01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:43,200 Speaker 1: but I will realize in hindsight, Wow, everything just fell 1467 01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:45,120 Speaker 1: into place, like this thing led to that thing led 1468 01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:47,320 Speaker 1: to that thing. Yeah, and that would be fun, be 1469 01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:49,040 Speaker 1: fun to check in in a handful of years and 1470 01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:49,960 Speaker 1: see what played out. 1471 01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:53,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely. And it's so it's so interesting 1472 01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:56,320 Speaker 3: that you keep quite. I've never met someone who loves 1473 01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:58,519 Speaker 3: quotes as much as I do, so it's uh, it's 1474 01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:00,439 Speaker 3: fun hearing them back from you and how they've played 1475 01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:04,639 Speaker 3: out in your life, What if anything today, apart from 1476 01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:06,360 Speaker 3: everything we've talked about, we talked about so many things, 1477 01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:08,960 Speaker 3: What if anything today keeps you up at night? What 1478 01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:10,120 Speaker 3: do you sleep pretty well? 1479 01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:14,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if I sleep that well. And I 1480 01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,280 Speaker 1: not to use another quote, but Pablo Casa is saying 1481 01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:18,080 Speaker 1: the older you get, the stronger the wind gets, and 1482 01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:19,840 Speaker 1: it's always in your face. And I think that could 1483 01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,760 Speaker 1: be true of companies. What keeps me up at night 1484 01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:26,360 Speaker 1: is you know, like people ask me the professional context, 1485 01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:27,840 Speaker 1: So what keeps you up at night in the company, Like, 1486 01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,559 Speaker 1: is this something happening? What keeps me up at night 1487 01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:33,200 Speaker 1: is something not happening. What keeps me up at night 1488 01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:36,439 Speaker 1: is the idea that we grow into something that I like, 1489 01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:40,599 Speaker 1: was meant to disrupt two thousand and nine. Everybody takes off. 1490 01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:43,439 Speaker 1: So we start in twousand and seven, two eight, it 1491 01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:45,559 Speaker 1: takes off. By two thousand and nine, I go on 1492 01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,559 Speaker 1: a ten year journey. It's now late twenty nineteen, and 1493 01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,600 Speaker 1: I remember having a dream, a bad dream, that I 1494 01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:54,680 Speaker 1: woke up and I was running a company that's unrecognizable 1495 01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,519 Speaker 1: from anything I ever intended to start. It was like 1496 01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:59,160 Speaker 1: I was in a wilderness for ten years and I 1497 01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:03,800 Speaker 1: just back and I remember going on a hike in Bilinas, California, 1498 01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,920 Speaker 1: where Joe had like a summer house, and we went 1499 01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,599 Speaker 1: on a hike Joni and I and I told them 1500 01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:11,559 Speaker 1: about this dream and they said, well, what did you find? 1501 01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:15,320 Speaker 1: I said, I was horrified because the company we set 1502 01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:17,200 Speaker 1: up the start is unrecognizable we have today. 1503 01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:17,960 Speaker 2: And they go, what do you mean. 1504 01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:20,880 Speaker 1: I go, well, people are complaining that it's big, it's bureaucratic, 1505 01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:23,800 Speaker 1: it's slow moving, people are more complacent. Costs is rising, 1506 01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:27,920 Speaker 1: grosses slowing. It's starting to feel like a corporation. And 1507 01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:31,000 Speaker 1: I didn't know what to do. I felt like we 1508 01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:33,360 Speaker 1: needed to like not blow it all up, but change 1509 01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:35,440 Speaker 1: it all, like take the house back to the studs. 1510 01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:38,320 Speaker 1: But the problem was we're about to go public, and 1511 01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:40,920 Speaker 1: that's like a really bad time to do that. But 1512 01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,720 Speaker 1: I had this image in my head of this kind 1513 01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:46,960 Speaker 1: of company that I want to have. This image was 1514 01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,679 Speaker 1: to build the most creative place on earth, to build 1515 01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:52,640 Speaker 1: the world's biggest startup, to build a company that was 1516 01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:55,960 Speaker 1: like felt small, that was completely focused not on a 1517 01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:58,920 Speaker 1: product or service, but a community. I was starting to 1518 01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,360 Speaker 1: come a conclusion by two thousand nineteen that you can't 1519 01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:04,840 Speaker 1: be big and have a soul like that. At some point, 1520 01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:07,759 Speaker 1: those things were at odds that the problem was being big, 1521 01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:10,760 Speaker 1: and I didn't know what to do. And all of 1522 01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:15,519 Speaker 1: a sudden we get word in February twenty twenty that 1523 01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:18,680 Speaker 1: our China business has collapsed by eighty percent because this 1524 01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:22,000 Speaker 1: thing called COVID, Like what's covid? And then within eight 1525 01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:24,679 Speaker 1: weeks you lose eighty percent of your business. And I've 1526 01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:26,960 Speaker 1: never had a near death experience, but it's been described 1527 01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,559 Speaker 1: to me as your life flashes before your eyes. And 1528 01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,839 Speaker 1: I had a near business death experience and then suddenly 1529 01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,760 Speaker 1: everything making clear to me. If I was seeing this 1530 01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:37,800 Speaker 1: chair three years ago, I would not have been clear. 1531 01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:40,679 Speaker 1: I don't think I would have the clarity ad today. 1532 01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:45,280 Speaker 1: There's something about almost losing everything and everything I had I, 1533 01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:47,320 Speaker 1: at least at that time, I thought was the professional 1534 01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:51,200 Speaker 1: that gives you clarity. Imagine your house is on fire 1535 01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:54,000 Speaker 1: and someone says you can take twenty percent of the 1536 01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:56,720 Speaker 1: things out of your house. Suddenly you have to make 1537 01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:59,799 Speaker 1: that choice, and you get really clear about what's important. 1538 01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:02,719 Speaker 1: People started telling you I want to air me exist 1539 01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:04,960 Speaker 1: you say why, and they tell you it's as if 1540 01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:08,240 Speaker 1: they're giving the eulogy before you're even dead, and how 1541 01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:11,280 Speaker 1: you want to be remembered, and you start to ask yourself, 1542 01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:14,360 Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen, but how do 1543 01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:17,519 Speaker 1: I want to be remembered? And at that point we 1544 01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:20,960 Speaker 1: stepped into action and we basically rebuilt the company from 1545 01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:23,200 Speaker 1: ground up. And this is to again bring it back 1546 01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:26,000 Speaker 1: one more time to Steve Jobs. I met two people 1547 01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:27,840 Speaker 1: at that point in my life who changed my life. 1548 01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:32,000 Speaker 1: One was Johnny Ive, who was Steve's partner in design, 1549 01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:34,839 Speaker 1: and the other was heiroki Asi, who was Steve's creative director, 1550 01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:37,559 Speaker 1: and they told me about the way Steve ran the company. 1551 01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:43,759 Speaker 1: And actually a funny even further aside is I remember 1552 01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:46,400 Speaker 1: one time I remember went to Steve's house. I never 1553 01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:48,640 Speaker 1: met him, but and I saw these books on the 1554 01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,880 Speaker 1: shelf from ropin' amin i'mer and asked is like, wife, like, 1555 01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:52,639 Speaker 1: what is what they're rap? 1556 01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:53,439 Speaker 2: And I'm air books. 1557 01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:57,439 Speaker 1: But as I started studying, I realized that it was 1558 01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:00,400 Speaker 1: this idea that you almost like Rober happened on the 1559 01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:02,519 Speaker 1: whole bomb in his head, that this idea that the 1560 01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:06,519 Speaker 1: leader collects all the information and that you're the center. 1561 01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:08,599 Speaker 1: That it's not a pyramid, you're not top down, you're 1562 01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:11,240 Speaker 1: inside out. You're the sun of a solar system. But 1563 01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:15,000 Speaker 1: your job is to emit light and bring decision making in, 1564 01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:18,080 Speaker 1: to pull in this shared consciousness. And I started realizing 1565 01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:20,200 Speaker 1: there was a whole new way to run a company, 1566 01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:22,759 Speaker 1: a company that wasn't divisions. Think about what that sounds 1567 01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:27,519 Speaker 1: like divisions. We are divided, but totally integrated as small, lean, 1568 01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:34,320 Speaker 1: elite as possible, creative and analytical, technology and humanities. That 1569 01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:37,680 Speaker 1: we'd have one flow. We wouldn't be metrics oriented, we'd 1570 01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:40,680 Speaker 1: be basically idea oriented, and we'd measure the results and 1571 01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:43,200 Speaker 1: that we would just there's this really specifically ran a 1572 01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:47,120 Speaker 1: company and that was basically the way I found ourselves 1573 01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:50,200 Speaker 1: out of a crisis. And so the lessness story is 1574 01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:53,320 Speaker 1: through that I was able to get a lot of 1575 01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:57,720 Speaker 1: clarity through this crisis. I was forced to answer and 1576 01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:01,200 Speaker 1: ask all these questions that I ever had to do before. 1577 01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,040 Speaker 1: But I hope on the personal side, I don't need 1578 01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:05,719 Speaker 1: a crisis to answer those questions. 1579 01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:09,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly where I think we're headed. That you 1580 01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:12,960 Speaker 3: have you have an opportunity to avoid the crisis. Yes, 1581 01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:14,040 Speaker 3: in order to not. 1582 01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:15,559 Speaker 2: Be not everyone needs that crisis. 1583 01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,280 Speaker 3: No you don't. It sounds like do you do you 1584 01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:21,880 Speaker 3: still when you present ideas, this a visual you see 1585 01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:24,360 Speaker 3: them feel you can see everything that you're talking about, 1586 01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:25,920 Speaker 3: and I can, I can see it with you. 1587 01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:29,679 Speaker 1: Everything in my head, my mind is like a three 1588 01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:32,880 Speaker 1: dimensional model, and all my ideas. Think of it like 1589 01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:34,680 Speaker 1: a tree. The trunk of the tree is your very 1590 01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:37,639 Speaker 1: first principles, your root ideas, and then they have branches, 1591 01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:39,719 Speaker 1: and the branches have branches, and those branches have leads 1592 01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:42,559 Speaker 1: or it's like a space, a three dimensional space. It's 1593 01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:46,880 Speaker 1: multi dimensional and colorful. And this is what we called 1594 01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:48,880 Speaker 1: the model, your model of the world that you want 1595 01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:51,760 Speaker 1: to live in. And as you gain more information, you 1596 01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:54,360 Speaker 1: keep changing the model in your head. I kind of 1597 01:16:54,720 --> 01:17:00,360 Speaker 1: describe my mind running airbnbas. Imagine a chessboard and there's 1598 01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:02,680 Speaker 1: that you have to see if he moves ahead. Now, 1599 01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:06,120 Speaker 1: imagine like a die, a thousand sided die, each playing 1600 01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:11,280 Speaker 1: a separate game of chess, all simultaneously anticipating in understanding relationships. 1601 01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:13,640 Speaker 1: As hard as that is, if you can start to 1602 01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:17,280 Speaker 1: organize all the ideas in your mind but not be rigid, 1603 01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:21,960 Speaker 1: continually changing and orienting it, like, you know, this is 1604 01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:25,720 Speaker 1: how I tend to see things in three dimensions spatially. 1605 01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:29,760 Speaker 1: It's really rich, vivid colors, and that's just how I think, 1606 01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:31,839 Speaker 1: you know. I think other people will think in abstract 1607 01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:35,360 Speaker 1: thoughts or numbers, some think in terms of language, But 1608 01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:37,240 Speaker 1: that's how I do it, you know, And it probably 1609 01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:39,400 Speaker 1: doesn't surprise you given my background. 1610 01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:42,200 Speaker 3: And do you see yourself in that or is that 1611 01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:43,840 Speaker 3: happening and you're observing it? 1612 01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:46,040 Speaker 2: You know, you might have hit on something. 1613 01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:49,280 Speaker 1: There have been times where I'm trying to design a 1614 01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:51,639 Speaker 1: world that other people want to I want other people 1615 01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:53,559 Speaker 1: to live in, and I think it's like I want 1616 01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:57,000 Speaker 1: to vicariously live through them. It's like I want to 1617 01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:00,639 Speaker 1: design this house that's the nicest house world for everyone 1618 01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,160 Speaker 1: to live in. But I'll be in the workshop design 1619 01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:05,639 Speaker 1: the house, and sometimes I have to stop to say, 1620 01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:08,800 Speaker 1: maybe I should step inside the house, and. 1621 01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:10,280 Speaker 2: I think that. 1622 01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:14,400 Speaker 1: I think that's a crux of it, actually, and the 1623 01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:18,160 Speaker 1: answer your question. I sometimes see myself in the house, 1624 01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:22,920 Speaker 1: and sometimes I see myself just kind of almost like 1625 01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:25,840 Speaker 1: a monk or you know, a in a technical and 1626 01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:29,519 Speaker 1: design monastery, like you know, and that's kind of what 1627 01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:32,840 Speaker 1: the pandemic was. I described it almost like a monastery, 1628 01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:37,519 Speaker 1: except with zoom. But if you didn't know I was 1629 01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:40,240 Speaker 1: on zoom, you just think I was meditating all day, right, 1630 01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,960 Speaker 1: Like I'd just be sitting in one chair. And so 1631 01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:45,840 Speaker 1: that's a great thing. Is I think that sometimes many 1632 01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:50,840 Speaker 1: times we as leader, especially tech founders. I think that 1633 01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:54,599 Speaker 1: many tech founders basically design the kind of world they 1634 01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:56,200 Speaker 1: want to live in because the world they grew up 1635 01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:59,040 Speaker 1: in was inadequate in some way and did not make 1636 01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:01,679 Speaker 1: them happy. I think the challenge of those tech leaders 1637 01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:03,880 Speaker 1: is to make sure that they step inside that world 1638 01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:06,080 Speaker 1: and live that world themselves. And you don't do it, 1639 01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:09,800 Speaker 1: then sometimes you start to like forget why you do 1640 01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:14,479 Speaker 1: things and you get disconnected. Wow, just kind of you're 1641 01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:15,439 Speaker 1: making me think of all this. 1642 01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:17,120 Speaker 2: Now you're making me think too. 1643 01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:20,080 Speaker 3: I love it, No, And that resonates so deeply and 1644 01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:24,360 Speaker 3: strongly because I also think that without purpose, tech entrepreneurs 1645 01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:27,000 Speaker 3: also can sometimes not even just tech entrepreneurs, entrepreneurs in 1646 01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:32,160 Speaker 3: general or anyone can build something that they monetize that 1647 01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:33,599 Speaker 3: they would never want to live in too. 1648 01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:36,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, and sometimes people don't know why they're doing it. Correct, 1649 01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:40,680 Speaker 1: they started it for a reason. Maybe the reason was 1650 01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:43,559 Speaker 1: extrinsic I want to be rich and successful, but maybe 1651 01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:46,600 Speaker 1: it was intrinsic, maybe there was something. But even so, 1652 01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:50,559 Speaker 1: then you find yourself waking up one day asking why 1653 01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:54,200 Speaker 1: am I still doing this? And you know the number 1654 01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:57,559 Speaker 1: of people that forget why they're doing it, the number 1655 01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:00,920 Speaker 1: of people that are self driving cars. There's a destination 1656 01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:03,720 Speaker 1: that's in the car they're driving towards it, but they 1657 01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:07,080 Speaker 1: don't even know what that destination is. And that's when 1658 01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:10,160 Speaker 1: you don't look inside yourself, and if you're not careful, 1659 01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:15,240 Speaker 1: you will basically be on a super highway going somewhere, 1660 01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:18,080 Speaker 1: not knowing why you're going there, and you may wake 1661 01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:20,200 Speaker 1: up and end up in a destination that wasn't where 1662 01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:24,480 Speaker 1: you intended. I think this having this clarity is so important. 1663 01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:26,439 Speaker 2: Who am I? What do I value? Like? 1664 01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:28,360 Speaker 1: What do I want to do in this world? It's 1665 01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:30,880 Speaker 1: like taking the time to reflect. I think the best 1666 01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:35,320 Speaker 1: businesses are really introspective by introspective leaders. Like when we 1667 01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:37,960 Speaker 1: started the company, were really clear, here's our mission and 1668 01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:39,920 Speaker 1: it wasn't just like a mission statement, it's like, here's 1669 01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,400 Speaker 1: exactly what we're trying to do, and now what changes here? 1670 01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:43,080 Speaker 2: Are values. 1671 01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:44,960 Speaker 1: Here's the kind of people I want to like work with. Well, 1672 01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:47,720 Speaker 1: what do they all have in common? They're curious, they're optimistic, 1673 01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:50,799 Speaker 1: they're kind of creative, they tend to like like hosting 1674 01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:53,439 Speaker 1: other people. Okay, those become what we call values. What 1675 01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:55,400 Speaker 1: are the shared lessons? What are the shared stories? And 1676 01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:59,439 Speaker 1: the more you can start to be really reflective, You're right, 1677 01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:01,519 Speaker 1: the more you're clear about what you want, the more 1678 01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:04,599 Speaker 1: you get it. Our problem isn't in life, probably that 1679 01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:06,920 Speaker 1: we don't get what we want. The problem is we 1680 01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:10,960 Speaker 1: don't know what we want maybe or we pursue things 1681 01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:15,080 Speaker 1: on your consciously wanting that our counterproductive to make us happy. 1682 01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:17,519 Speaker 1: And if we can just wrap our arms around that, 1683 01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:20,479 Speaker 1: some of the hardest things to change our own thoughts, 1684 01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:22,680 Speaker 1: but in a weird way, they also seem like the 1685 01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:26,000 Speaker 1: most possible to change. And so that that's something that 1686 01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:29,599 Speaker 1: I've seen and like. Some of the loneliest people I've 1687 01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:31,360 Speaker 1: met are some of the richest people I've met. Some 1688 01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:34,880 Speaker 1: the most isolated people I met are some of the 1689 01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,920 Speaker 1: most successful people I met. The most confused people I've 1690 01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:41,000 Speaker 1: met are the most powerful, because at some point the 1691 01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:43,960 Speaker 1: power and success can be confusing. You know you had 1692 01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:45,600 Speaker 1: a purpose, but you also have all these demands and 1693 01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:49,200 Speaker 1: you stakeholders. You can get fused by appeasing people, and. 1694 01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:50,680 Speaker 2: You like that. I think that happened to me. 1695 01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:52,760 Speaker 1: Like I think I started Airbnb and I had a 1696 01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:55,400 Speaker 1: really clear vision, and I think I've got into a 1697 01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:58,800 Speaker 1: wilderness where I kind of got confused. And a lot 1698 01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:02,479 Speaker 1: of founders have described becoming confused. A lot of leaders 1699 01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:06,880 Speaker 1: get confused, and I totally see how that happens. And 1700 01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:10,320 Speaker 1: I think finding your way back home is key. 1701 01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:13,519 Speaker 3: I would be intrigued to see if you close your 1702 01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:17,599 Speaker 3: eyes now or whenever you chose to, to see what 1703 01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:21,000 Speaker 3: you saw when you look at your personal life. You're 1704 01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:23,280 Speaker 3: talking about your professional life as being all these thousands 1705 01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:24,280 Speaker 3: of decisions moving, and. 1706 01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:27,320 Speaker 1: You say, like, I kind of that period of self reflection, right, Yeah, 1707 01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:29,719 Speaker 1: Like I think I saw somebody who. 1708 01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:30,360 Speaker 2: Was kind of. 1709 01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:38,439 Speaker 1: Almost punishing myself in romanticizing suffering because I thought, you know, 1710 01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:42,680 Speaker 1: at some extent, I maybe believe that I was going 1711 01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:45,120 Speaker 1: to give everything to the company and it was like 1712 01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:47,640 Speaker 1: this selfless act. But it became so selfless that I 1713 01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:50,280 Speaker 1: then could start to lose a sense of myself. 1714 01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:51,960 Speaker 2: I mean, you know how weird it is. 1715 01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:54,840 Speaker 1: I always kind of joked like if I die, well 1716 01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:57,160 Speaker 1: I die Brian Chesky or the Airbnb guy just died, 1717 01:22:57,240 --> 01:22:59,840 Speaker 1: you know, like and like am I Brian or my 1718 01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:05,160 Speaker 1: and being like, you know, like they get really one 1719 01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:08,160 Speaker 1: is an icon that's a noun and verb you knows 1720 01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:10,880 Speaker 1: ubiquitously around the world, and the others a person that 1721 01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:14,720 Speaker 1: not a lot of people know, really know. And when 1722 01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:20,479 Speaker 1: you it's very careful. I started becoming the company, and 1723 01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:25,280 Speaker 1: this company started becoming me, and I think seventy percent 1724 01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:28,040 Speaker 1: of that was good because that meant the company, I 1725 01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:30,640 Speaker 1: think was a person, had a face as humanistic, it 1726 01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:33,439 Speaker 1: was in the details. But when you become a company, 1727 01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:35,240 Speaker 1: you seize to be a person, and then you lose 1728 01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:37,760 Speaker 1: a sense of yourself and then you become an icon. 1729 01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:40,480 Speaker 1: And by icon, I don't mean famous, I mean iconography. 1730 01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:43,639 Speaker 1: Icon is short for an iconography, and iconography is for 1731 01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:46,320 Speaker 1: for a symbol for something, And of course people are 1732 01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:50,280 Speaker 1: much more than symbols. And I started seeing that I 1733 01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:56,960 Speaker 1: started becoming a symbol and a thing, and I stopped 1734 01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:58,400 Speaker 1: listening to myself. 1735 01:23:58,479 --> 01:23:59,719 Speaker 2: And by the way, like. 1736 01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:02,760 Speaker 1: You get pressure from shareholders to like drive a stock price, 1737 01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:05,600 Speaker 1: you get pressure from you know, employees to make it 1738 01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:08,160 Speaker 1: a better work environment. You get pressure from host but 1739 01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:11,000 Speaker 1: no one gives you pressure for yourself and your personal life. 1740 01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:13,960 Speaker 1: If you don't create that own pressure, you will like 1741 01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:16,360 Speaker 1: that will be the like that's the one person that 1742 01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:20,720 Speaker 1: may not put their hand up. Hey, everyone else will. 1743 01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:23,240 Speaker 1: And if you don't listen to yourself. And I think 1744 01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:26,240 Speaker 1: that's been part of the second chapter of my life 1745 01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:29,120 Speaker 1: is like kind of designing the world I want to 1746 01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:32,120 Speaker 1: live in and then living in that world and choosing 1747 01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:34,400 Speaker 1: to actually live in that world, and you'd be I mean, 1748 01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:37,440 Speaker 1: you've interviewed so many people, so but I'm so surprised 1749 01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:41,080 Speaker 1: how many leaders don't actually live in that world. I 1750 01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:43,479 Speaker 1: tend to think that like some yeah, some of the 1751 01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:48,480 Speaker 1: most successful people are people that they get so disconnected 1752 01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:51,759 Speaker 1: from what they intend to do and when they started, 1753 01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:54,559 Speaker 1: and so reconnecting. I mean, so much of this, I 1754 01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:56,920 Speaker 1: guess I tend to see everything through that lens, but 1755 01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:01,800 Speaker 1: so much of it is about reconnecting that reconnection, that 1756 01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:02,599 Speaker 1: path back home. 1757 01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:04,920 Speaker 3: I love what you're saying about the iconography and how 1758 01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:08,840 Speaker 3: the human meshes with the iconography, and you described earlier the. 1759 01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:11,519 Speaker 1: And maybe everyone does that I just did it in 1760 01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:13,639 Speaker 1: a bigger sorry decay, it just did in a bigger way, 1761 01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:16,719 Speaker 1: like you could totally get how like I am Brian Airbnb. 1762 01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:17,960 Speaker 2: They start to merge. 1763 01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:20,799 Speaker 1: But be you, even people who don't have a giant company, 1764 01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:24,040 Speaker 1: who they really are and the person they're like supposed 1765 01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:27,479 Speaker 1: to be are merging. And as those two things merge, 1766 01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:28,720 Speaker 1: you lose who you really are. 1767 01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:32,000 Speaker 3: I mean, it's method acting. It's literally method acting. It's 1768 01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:35,080 Speaker 3: like we are all pretending to play a role, only 1769 01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:37,400 Speaker 3: to believe that that role that we pretended to be 1770 01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:41,000 Speaker 3: is now us and has replaced us. And it's even hard. 1771 01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:44,559 Speaker 3: I'll tell you why, because when you built Airbnb, it 1772 01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:49,639 Speaker 3: had iconography. Yes, Brian didn't ever have iconography like, there 1773 01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:52,840 Speaker 3: wasn't a there wasn't like a mission list and a 1774 01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:56,040 Speaker 3: value list like before when Brian existed before. And so 1775 01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:01,479 Speaker 3: if you were to draw the iconography of Brian the person, 1776 01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:06,040 Speaker 3: not the Airbnb, I'm intrigued as to what that would 1777 01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:08,240 Speaker 3: look like if you started to design that. 1778 01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:09,519 Speaker 2: I see a child. 1779 01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:15,479 Speaker 1: I see like a childlike curiosity and energy and love 1780 01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:21,439 Speaker 1: that I think I've always held on to. I also 1781 01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:25,120 Speaker 1: see the world like through this idea of family and community. 1782 01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:27,320 Speaker 1: And I think when people hear the word family think 1783 01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:32,320 Speaker 1: of like their parents, their siblings, their children. And I 1784 01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:35,760 Speaker 1: think I see like you know, I asked like my 1785 01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:37,799 Speaker 1: co founder Joe, I asked him, like what would airbnb, 1786 01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:40,800 Speaker 1: would success be for airbingbe? He had this crazy audacious idea, 1787 01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:44,840 Speaker 1: he said, to redefine the word family. And I've realized that, 1788 01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:46,479 Speaker 1: like so much of my life has been trying to 1789 01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:50,960 Speaker 1: do that. I see this like childlike person of curiosity 1790 01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:53,960 Speaker 1: and wonder that I've never left that sense of wonder, 1791 01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:57,920 Speaker 1: that I'm open to be vulnerable and guided by love 1792 01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:04,599 Speaker 1: and like treating wanting to treat those around me like family. 1793 01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:07,439 Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is I try to 1794 01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:13,439 Speaker 1: do anything for them. And and I hope, I hope 1795 01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:17,120 Speaker 1: that my friends, if they ever heard this, they would 1796 01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:20,200 Speaker 1: feel like that resonates. And that's not just a pure ideal, 1797 01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:24,160 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what I mean, that's the iconography. I 1798 01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:27,400 Speaker 1: would hope that iconography is true to some extent. I 1799 01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:31,640 Speaker 1: guess as I think about it even deeper, I've used 1800 01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:34,360 Speaker 1: the word loneliness, connection and community, but maybe at some 1801 01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:39,240 Speaker 1: deeper level, the deepest word is family. And what Bond's 1802 01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:43,080 Speaker 1: family is love, and like I think that, like, as 1803 01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:47,120 Speaker 1: families have gone smaller and smaller, we've gotten more and 1804 01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:50,519 Speaker 1: more isolated. And if we could re expand that word, 1805 01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:53,680 Speaker 1: And maybe that's like too idealistic, but like just to 1806 01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:56,479 Speaker 1: leave in a little bit to your like close friends 1807 01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:00,280 Speaker 1: and to other people and just try to, like you, 1808 01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:07,639 Speaker 1: expand that circle. That's kind of what I would want. 1809 01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:09,840 Speaker 1: You know, if I design the world around me, then 1810 01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:12,200 Speaker 1: I better design it with other people in it. 1811 01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:15,160 Speaker 3: And as you see that, do you do you see 1812 01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:19,040 Speaker 3: the child or are you the child as you visualize that? 1813 01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:20,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. I kind of see both. 1814 01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:23,840 Speaker 3: I see like are you seeing the child sitting there? 1815 01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:25,920 Speaker 3: Or are you seeing the vision through the eyes of 1816 01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:27,040 Speaker 3: where you would be. 1817 01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:30,160 Speaker 1: I feel like a timeless image of myself, like I 1818 01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:32,960 Speaker 1: might young and old at the same time, Like it's 1819 01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:36,160 Speaker 1: not just one age. I'm like I can see the 1820 01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:38,960 Speaker 1: child of me, and I could also see this like 1821 01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:43,040 Speaker 1: grown up that I always like that is protecting and 1822 01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:46,479 Speaker 1: so I have like both sides, the protector offering security 1823 01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:49,600 Speaker 1: and bringing people together and the child who is vulnerable 1824 01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:52,400 Speaker 1: and seeks love and wants to just be open and 1825 01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:57,960 Speaker 1: totally curious. It's almost like I have this image, you know, 1826 01:28:58,000 --> 01:28:59,960 Speaker 1: like you're, like you say, at the family, the dinner table, 1827 01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:02,479 Speaker 1: where you like like you're a kid or your parents, 1828 01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:05,720 Speaker 1: your siblings or whatever. My image is that, but it's 1829 01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:09,320 Speaker 1: a very big table with a lot of people, and 1830 01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:13,360 Speaker 1: you know, and that's not just my close family that 1831 01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:16,680 Speaker 1: I might have. It's you know, maybe like the the 1832 01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:19,280 Speaker 1: broader people in my life that I have around me. 1833 01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:22,800 Speaker 1: That's I think the image I have. And I think 1834 01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:28,160 Speaker 1: that's in a space that's very well designed, very well designed, 1835 01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:31,920 Speaker 1: and I have a design aesthetic that's like fairly modern 1836 01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:34,719 Speaker 1: but also whimsical. I don't like the cold. I don't 1837 01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:36,840 Speaker 1: like coldness and modernism. I like it to be like 1838 01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:38,639 Speaker 1: colorful and so. 1839 01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:42,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw if you're okay with I want to 1840 01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:45,799 Speaker 3: show something that came for me to me. The clarity 1841 01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:49,400 Speaker 3: is that it's not even the merger. Often what you 1842 01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:51,240 Speaker 3: said so beautifully is like I see my younger self 1843 01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:53,519 Speaker 3: and I see where I am now, and now it's protecting. 1844 01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:56,719 Speaker 3: But the childlike is that love, that joy, that community, 1845 01:29:56,800 --> 01:30:01,240 Speaker 3: the family, and it's like they're hand in hand. Like 1846 01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:03,280 Speaker 3: it's not a merger of the two. It's not an 1847 01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:04,679 Speaker 3: integration it's a hand in hand. 1848 01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:05,679 Speaker 2: It's really great. 1849 01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:08,000 Speaker 3: There's a wisdom that you have today that you didn't 1850 01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:09,479 Speaker 3: have then, and there's a wisdom you have den that 1851 01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:11,840 Speaker 3: you don't have now, and it's just hand in hand 1852 01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:12,479 Speaker 3: and walking together. 1853 01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:14,479 Speaker 1: I've always wanted to believe that I can have the 1854 01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:17,479 Speaker 1: wisdom of my grandparents and the curiosity of a child 1855 01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:19,920 Speaker 1: in one that I have a foot. 1856 01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:20,160 Speaker 2: You know. 1857 01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:23,200 Speaker 1: Walt Disney, one of my other idols, used to and 1858 01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:25,519 Speaker 1: in the front of Disneyland, he says, here you leave 1859 01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:28,040 Speaker 1: the world of today and into the world of tomorrow, 1860 01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:30,439 Speaker 1: yesterday and fantasy. He said, I have a foot in 1861 01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:32,559 Speaker 1: the future and the foot in the past. And I 1862 01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:35,479 Speaker 1: think that's partly what. I have a foot in the future, 1863 01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:39,599 Speaker 1: and that future is one of maybe curiosity and looking 1864 01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:44,080 Speaker 1: forward and futurism and technology, and then I've also a 1865 01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:44,880 Speaker 1: foot in the past. 1866 01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:47,000 Speaker 2: The foot in the past is my roots. 1867 01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:50,640 Speaker 1: I think I I oscillate between the two, you know, 1868 01:30:51,320 --> 01:30:57,240 Speaker 1: culture and technology, massive scale, one of the become one 1869 01:30:57,240 --> 01:31:00,719 Speaker 1: of the biggest in the world with like they desire 1870 01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:03,280 Speaker 1: to always be a startup and always be close knit. 1871 01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:06,800 Speaker 2: It's like these twos. 1872 01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:10,840 Speaker 1: To paradoxes, competing forces yeah, And I think that that 1873 01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:14,120 Speaker 1: is a tension that it's I think it's a really 1874 01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:16,920 Speaker 1: interesting tension. Now you're making me think about all this, 1875 01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:19,120 Speaker 1: Like I'm sure I've never some of this stuff. I 1876 01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:22,040 Speaker 1: never really not only I have not talked about it. 1877 01:31:22,120 --> 01:31:23,880 Speaker 1: Some of the stuff I'm kind of not even really 1878 01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:27,360 Speaker 1: thought about that until now I'm just really thinking about it. 1879 01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:29,519 Speaker 1: One of the things when you're like you run a 1880 01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:33,160 Speaker 1: giant companies, you learn scale. When you start a company 1881 01:31:33,439 --> 01:31:36,360 Speaker 1: you're tiny, you have to do everything you have to 1882 01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:39,479 Speaker 1: like you know, like things don't even think about. Like 1883 01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:41,880 Speaker 1: you have an office which is your apartment, and you 1884 01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:43,400 Speaker 1: need to like buy a coffee maker and go buy 1885 01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:45,680 Speaker 1: the coffee. And you need to like have a name 1886 01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:47,400 Speaker 1: for your company. You actually need to check out that 1887 01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:49,240 Speaker 1: name's trademark, and you got to bun a domain name, 1888 01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:50,799 Speaker 1: and you got to like have a story for the company. 1889 01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:52,760 Speaker 1: And like then you've got to like make sure you 1890 01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:54,560 Speaker 1: have a legal corporation. You now found a lawyer. You 1891 01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:56,360 Speaker 1: got to interview the lawyers, and then you got to 1892 01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:58,400 Speaker 1: like actually decide where you're going to make and you say, 1893 01:31:58,479 --> 01:31:59,800 Speaker 1: how do I make things? Like and I could go 1894 01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:02,519 Speaker 1: down the one hundred thousand things. You're in the tedious details. 1895 01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:05,320 Speaker 1: And then if you go onto rocket ship that I 1896 01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:08,760 Speaker 1: go on fifteen years later, you know a billion and 1897 01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:12,320 Speaker 1: a half times has been used. You end up at 1898 01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:16,080 Speaker 1: some massive scale, a scale that's bigger than you've ever imagined. 1899 01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:20,320 Speaker 1: But as a founder, you never let go of those details. 1900 01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:21,120 Speaker 2: You know. 1901 01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:24,280 Speaker 1: It's like a founder is different than professional manager. A 1902 01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:28,200 Speaker 1: professional manager never saw it small. And as a founder, 1903 01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:30,240 Speaker 1: not only did you see it small, you created what 1904 01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:33,120 Speaker 1: was small. And so as you see the full scale, 1905 01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:36,479 Speaker 1: you tend to zoom out and zoom in, and zoom 1906 01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:40,520 Speaker 1: out and zoom in. And it's actually a really helpful 1907 01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:44,800 Speaker 1: skill in life. Whenever you need a different perspective, you 1908 01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:47,559 Speaker 1: can zoom in or you can zoom out, and I 1909 01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:49,920 Speaker 1: tend to do both. I go in and sorry, well 1910 01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:51,600 Speaker 1: what about this? What about this? What about this? And 1911 01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:53,840 Speaker 1: go into the smaller and small detail, and then I 1912 01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:56,519 Speaker 1: go back to the present scale. It's like a satellite map, 1913 01:32:57,200 --> 01:32:59,920 Speaker 1: it's like the powers of ten. Zoom out to space, 1914 01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:04,360 Speaker 1: zoom in with a microscope, and that is just a 1915 01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:08,679 Speaker 1: way to think about things. And you were constantly doing 1916 01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:10,880 Speaker 1: that when you run a company. You see the big 1917 01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:12,519 Speaker 1: picture and you say, what does it mean? You dive 1918 01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:14,680 Speaker 1: right in and you zoom out, and a lot of 1919 01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:18,880 Speaker 1: leaders they struggle. They can only do that medium altitude. 1920 01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:22,200 Speaker 1: They can't see the fullest picture, or they get stuck 1921 01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:25,960 Speaker 1: and they can't access the smallest of details. In the 1922 01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:29,439 Speaker 1: entire universe exists in the smallest detail, and that's what 1923 01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:31,439 Speaker 1: you discover when you zoom and zo. You start to 1924 01:33:31,479 --> 01:33:35,519 Speaker 1: realize the relationships, and it allows you to both run 1925 01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:38,080 Speaker 1: something large and still connect with somebody at the most 1926 01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:41,200 Speaker 1: intimate human level and not lose your mind along the way. 1927 01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:47,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. It's that balance between recognizing what's possible through scale, 1928 01:33:47,160 --> 01:33:50,000 Speaker 3: but at the same time being able to be embracing 1929 01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:51,320 Speaker 3: of your own insignificance. 1930 01:33:51,479 --> 01:33:51,759 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1931 01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:55,439 Speaker 3: So you see the significance, but yeah you recognize Yeah 1932 01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:56,360 Speaker 3: it's insignificant. 1933 01:33:56,600 --> 01:33:58,879 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's so fascinating. 1934 01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:01,479 Speaker 3: Yeah. The paradox is the only thing that's fascinating. Yeah, 1935 01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:04,080 Speaker 3: you know, the human mind is apparent all of these 1936 01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:06,800 Speaker 3: Everything that we see that's magical about the world is 1937 01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:09,200 Speaker 3: a paradox that everything is connected, but everything's doing its 1938 01:34:09,200 --> 01:34:11,360 Speaker 3: own thing. Yes, right, like the ocean, the sun are 1939 01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:13,599 Speaker 3: doing their own thing. Yeah, they're connected yet doing their 1940 01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:13,880 Speaker 3: own thing. 1941 01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:16,720 Speaker 1: And I think the more you start to see why 1942 01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:18,559 Speaker 1: I went to scale, you sort of see your right 1943 01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:21,799 Speaker 1: that more and more things are connected. But because everything 1944 01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:24,200 Speaker 1: is connected doesn't mean they're all the same. And the 1945 01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:26,000 Speaker 1: more you learn about the details the things, the more 1946 01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:28,720 Speaker 1: you realize how different everything is, and so you but 1947 01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:31,759 Speaker 1: then you realize they're actually in some deeper way related 1948 01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:33,920 Speaker 1: and that you spend the rest of your life kind 1949 01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:35,200 Speaker 1: of in that discovery. 1950 01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:37,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. And you know what I've observed that is the 1951 01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:40,080 Speaker 3: connecting force, at least up until now in my life, 1952 01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:43,040 Speaker 3: is that everything that we've just talked about, everything in 1953 01:34:43,080 --> 01:34:48,400 Speaker 3: the universe that we see is serving uniquely. What connects 1954 01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:50,880 Speaker 3: it is that it's serving. The sun is serving, the 1955 01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:53,760 Speaker 3: water is serving, the trees are serving the trunk of 1956 01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:56,160 Speaker 3: the tree that leaves you talk about the flowers, they're serving. 1957 01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:57,920 Speaker 3: Everything is giving. 1958 01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:02,320 Speaker 1: A service, Everything is interdependent on everything else. That we 1959 01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:06,559 Speaker 1: tend to have this illusion that we're separate from one another. 1960 01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:12,640 Speaker 1: And I think that even like loneliness might be a 1961 01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:15,640 Speaker 1: reality which is the way you perceive the world, but 1962 01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:19,040 Speaker 1: a loneness may be an illusion that you're not as 1963 01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:21,840 Speaker 1: alone and separate as you think you are. And I 1964 01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:24,400 Speaker 1: think that's a really good thing to remind yourself, and 1965 01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:26,800 Speaker 1: that we are so much more connected to everything else, 1966 01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:29,320 Speaker 1: and that I think so much of creativity is just 1967 01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:32,280 Speaker 1: first embracing the fact that everything is connected in some 1968 01:35:32,360 --> 01:35:35,160 Speaker 1: way and it's your job to discover and make connections 1969 01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:37,840 Speaker 1: and find relationships and similarities. And by the way, that's 1970 01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:40,639 Speaker 1: a great way to connect with people to know that, like, wow, 1971 01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:42,880 Speaker 1: what makes them so fascinating is they're really different from 1972 01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:44,960 Speaker 1: me in some of these ways. But what is going 1973 01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:47,439 Speaker 1: to bond us is that we're actually so connected and 1974 01:35:47,479 --> 01:35:49,880 Speaker 1: there are almost no humans on this planet that you 1975 01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:52,679 Speaker 1: don't have some fundamental connections to and if you don't 1976 01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:54,920 Speaker 1: see them, you have to keep looking. And once you 1977 01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:57,800 Speaker 1: keep looking, that becomes the bond, that becomes the thing 1978 01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:00,639 Speaker 1: that you share between them. How do you do that 1979 01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:06,799 Speaker 1: with curiosity and interest? Fascinating? Just be fascinated all the time, 1980 01:36:07,439 --> 01:36:11,800 Speaker 1: And it's almost like that's contagious. If you're fascinated, I'm fascinated. 1981 01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:15,000 Speaker 1: Somebody once said that to me, a director who I 1982 01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:17,840 Speaker 1: was doing a film too, and he said, if you're fascinated, 1983 01:36:17,880 --> 01:36:21,479 Speaker 1: I'm fascinated. And I'm like, well, okay, like I really 1984 01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:24,479 Speaker 1: do and it's like, and so, what what do you 1985 01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:25,280 Speaker 1: find fascinating? 1986 01:36:25,479 --> 01:36:26,320 Speaker 2: Yeah? 1987 01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:30,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I often de say to people similarly that if 1988 01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:33,120 Speaker 3: you don't find someone interesting, it's because you're not interested. Yeah, 1989 01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:35,479 Speaker 3: like you're not interested enough. There is something interesting about. 1990 01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:38,559 Speaker 1: Something interesting about everyone and everything, and that is what 1991 01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:41,960 Speaker 1: the curate that is, I think what curiosity is. And like, 1992 01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:44,760 Speaker 1: you know, you find the game within the game, you 1993 01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:47,920 Speaker 1: find like in school, Like I think so many people 1994 01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:51,280 Speaker 1: in school, like they're not interested in subjects because they're abstract. 1995 01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:54,920 Speaker 1: But if somebody is obsessed with basketball, then teach physics 1996 01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:58,240 Speaker 1: through basketball, stree biology through basketball, teach history through basketball 1997 01:36:58,280 --> 01:37:00,920 Speaker 1: the history of so you just you find something you're interested. 1998 01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:02,799 Speaker 1: And I think the great thing about starting a company 1999 01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:05,960 Speaker 1: is I had no interest in learning about accounting. I 2000 01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:08,960 Speaker 1: had no abstract interest in learning about leadership and management 2001 01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:12,519 Speaker 1: and organization. I had no abstract interest in understanding like 2002 01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:15,920 Speaker 1: technical architecture. But I did interest in how we should 2003 01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:19,160 Speaker 1: account for all the money we're making, what technology platform 2004 01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:22,080 Speaker 1: we should be on to enable Airbnb, and through something 2005 01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:24,280 Speaker 1: I was already interested in Airbnb. I was able to 2006 01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:26,760 Speaker 1: learn all these other things, but if I had to 2007 01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:29,840 Speaker 1: learn them abstractly, the way we're taught in school, I 2008 01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:34,000 Speaker 1: don't think anything would have stuck. And so Airbnb became 2009 01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:38,639 Speaker 1: that model this world. And I have learned almost everything 2010 01:37:38,720 --> 01:37:43,240 Speaker 1: through this world that I've been generally constructing, co constructing 2011 01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:47,240 Speaker 1: with my coworkers and with the community. And it's just 2012 01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:48,920 Speaker 1: like I like to joke that Airbnb is like the 2013 01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:51,880 Speaker 1: world's biggest Risdi project that just never stopped, and we 2014 01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:54,280 Speaker 1: just kept building it and kept building and kept building 2015 01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:56,599 Speaker 1: it and kept building it. And as the bigger we build, 2016 01:37:56,640 --> 01:37:58,679 Speaker 1: the more I learned and the more I discover. And yeah, 2017 01:37:58,760 --> 01:38:02,599 Speaker 1: I've seen so much of the world through the creation 2018 01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:04,400 Speaker 1: of this really big house, so to speak. 2019 01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:06,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's pretty well. 2020 01:38:06,200 --> 01:38:07,799 Speaker 1: It is pretty well, and it's just getting started. 2021 01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:09,479 Speaker 2: Hopefully, it's just getting started. Brian. 2022 01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:14,519 Speaker 3: This is without doubt the most unique episode of On 2023 01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:16,960 Speaker 3: Purpose I think we've ever heard really in four years. 2024 01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:18,680 Speaker 3: And I don't just say stuff like that, you can 2025 01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:22,960 Speaker 3: check with these guys. But we end every episode with 2026 01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:26,599 Speaker 3: a final five. These are five questions I ask pretty 2027 01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:30,280 Speaker 3: much ninety percent of them to all guests, and these 2028 01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:32,200 Speaker 3: are your final five, Brian. They have to be answered 2029 01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:35,360 Speaker 3: in one word to one sentence maximum, and I will 2030 01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:39,800 Speaker 3: probably destroy that pattern, but we'll try so, Brian, these 2031 01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:42,479 Speaker 3: are your final five. The first question is what is 2032 01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:46,799 Speaker 3: the best insight advice that you've ever heard, or received 2033 01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:47,280 Speaker 3: or read. 2034 01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:51,840 Speaker 1: It's better to have one hundred people love you than 2035 01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:55,360 Speaker 1: a million people that just sort of like you, and 2036 01:38:55,439 --> 01:38:59,760 Speaker 1: so do things that don't scale, and if you do, 2037 01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:04,439 Speaker 1: maybe people love something you love so much they'll tell 2038 01:39:04,479 --> 01:39:06,559 Speaker 1: everyone about it and you might end up with millions 2039 01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:06,920 Speaker 1: of people. 2040 01:39:06,920 --> 01:39:09,200 Speaker 2: After all. That's kind of a long sentence, but it's 2041 01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:09,800 Speaker 2: a great sentence. 2042 01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:12,799 Speaker 3: It's beautiful. It's perfect. Second question, what is the worst 2043 01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:17,479 Speaker 3: insight advice you've ever heard, read, received, or come. 2044 01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:23,200 Speaker 1: Across anything that involves chasing status? Not because it's bad, 2045 01:39:23,760 --> 01:39:26,000 Speaker 1: but because it's actually a horrible way to even get it. 2046 01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:30,400 Speaker 3: Love that answer, yeah. Question number three, how would you 2047 01:39:30,439 --> 01:39:32,480 Speaker 3: define your current purpose. 2048 01:39:32,360 --> 01:39:36,320 Speaker 1: To try to help bring the world together, even if 2049 01:39:36,360 --> 01:39:38,120 Speaker 1: it's in the end a small way? 2050 01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:43,519 Speaker 3: Question number four, if you were being remembered after you 2051 01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:46,880 Speaker 3: were physically gone, what would you hope to hear. 2052 01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:49,000 Speaker 2: We miss them? 2053 01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:51,000 Speaker 3: A fifth and final question. I asked this question to 2054 01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:53,240 Speaker 3: every guest who's ever been on the show. If you 2055 01:39:53,240 --> 01:39:56,160 Speaker 3: could create one law that everyone in the world had 2056 01:39:56,200 --> 01:39:57,840 Speaker 3: to follow. What would it be? 2057 01:39:58,080 --> 01:40:01,160 Speaker 1: Sometimes people ask me, impose one thing on the world 2058 01:40:01,200 --> 01:40:03,080 Speaker 1: would it be? And I'd say, everyone would have a 2059 01:40:03,120 --> 01:40:05,280 Speaker 1: passport and everyone would walk in. 2060 01:40:05,240 --> 01:40:06,479 Speaker 2: Someone else's shoes. 2061 01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:09,280 Speaker 1: And I think if they were to do that, there'd 2062 01:40:09,320 --> 01:40:13,080 Speaker 1: be like such a greater awakening in the world. So 2063 01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:18,080 Speaker 1: maybe everyone was forced to live someone else's life and 2064 01:40:18,160 --> 01:40:21,080 Speaker 1: to step in someone else's shoes, and the more different 2065 01:40:21,200 --> 01:40:21,639 Speaker 1: the better. 2066 01:40:22,040 --> 01:40:26,040 Speaker 3: Well, said Brian Tesca. Everyone, Brian, that was, as I said, 2067 01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:28,600 Speaker 3: the most unique. I think it's really interesting something that 2068 01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:30,160 Speaker 3: came to my mind and heart. And since this has 2069 01:40:30,200 --> 01:40:33,400 Speaker 3: been such an intuitive conversation, I feel I should share it. 2070 01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:37,439 Speaker 3: You know, in our professional life, we have business partners, 2071 01:40:37,479 --> 01:40:40,439 Speaker 3: but in our personal life, I don't think we often 2072 01:40:40,479 --> 01:40:43,559 Speaker 3: think about having human partners. And I really appreciate you 2073 01:40:44,360 --> 01:40:46,400 Speaker 3: dancing with me today, going there with me today, and 2074 01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:49,960 Speaker 3: being human partners for each other. And you definitely did 2075 01:40:49,960 --> 01:40:52,320 Speaker 3: that for me today. You brought out of me things 2076 01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:55,760 Speaker 3: I didn't know that I haven't gone to for a while. 2077 01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:58,760 Speaker 3: So thank you so much for inspiring me enlightening me 2078 01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:02,160 Speaker 3: in so many ways. I actually had a special internal 2079 01:41:02,200 --> 01:41:03,040 Speaker 3: experience myself. 2080 01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:05,439 Speaker 1: Well, I think I've learned about myself through this process. 2081 01:41:06,640 --> 01:41:09,120 Speaker 1: It's amazing the amount of time you can go through 2082 01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:14,439 Speaker 1: in your life without stopping and taking a look at things. 2083 01:41:14,439 --> 01:41:17,719 Speaker 1: And when you do, my God, like that just changes 2084 01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:19,320 Speaker 1: your perspective on everything, doesn't it. 2085 01:41:19,400 --> 01:41:22,479 Speaker 3: Absolutely, thank you so much, Thank you, grateful for you. 2086 01:41:22,520 --> 01:41:24,200 Speaker 2: I think you have me to thank you so much. 2087 01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:26,479 Speaker 3: Set your honor such a pleasure. And everyone who's been 2088 01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:29,439 Speaker 3: listening and watching. If you're with us, then make sure 2089 01:41:29,479 --> 01:41:32,000 Speaker 3: that you I want you to let me know what 2090 01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:34,120 Speaker 3: was your favorite moment. There are so many great moments, 2091 01:41:34,160 --> 01:41:37,719 Speaker 3: but grab a screenshot of where you found your favorite moments. 2092 01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:39,320 Speaker 3: We can see all the seconds and minutes so that 2093 01:41:39,360 --> 01:41:41,720 Speaker 3: everyone can go listen to it. I love seeing what 2094 01:41:41,960 --> 01:41:46,439 Speaker 3: deeply connects and penetrates through to our community because this 2095 01:41:46,479 --> 01:41:48,360 Speaker 3: is all in service of you. So thank you for 2096 01:41:48,400 --> 01:41:50,599 Speaker 3: everyone who's been listening and watching, And thank you Brian, 2097 01:41:50,680 --> 01:41:53,479 Speaker 3: thank you jam. If you love this episode, you will 2098 01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:56,920 Speaker 3: also love my interview with Charles Douhig on how to 2099 01:41:57,000 --> 01:42:01,200 Speaker 3: hack your brain change any habit effortlessly, and the secret 2100 01:42:01,439 --> 01:42:02,960 Speaker 3: to making better decisions. 2101 01:42:03,160 --> 01:42:05,760 Speaker 1: Look, am I hesitating on this because I'm scared of 2102 01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:08,080 Speaker 1: making the choice. Because I'm scared of doing the work, 2103 01:42:08,240 --> 01:42:10,400 Speaker 1: or am I sitting with this because it just doesn't 2104 01:42:10,479 --> 01:42:11,679 Speaker 1: feel right yet