WEBVTT - 11) Family Is Our Weakness

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<v Speaker 2>Warning, the following episode contains explicit language and sexual themes.

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<v Speaker 3>I was very sick, just fever, but very heavy virus,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was alone and I couldn't contact anyone, like,

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<v Speaker 3>no one at all because I was hiding that time.

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<v Speaker 3>And I remember I had such a strong fever that

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<v Speaker 3>I passed over and I saw all all this goths,

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<v Speaker 3>all these like souls of people whom I had to terminate.

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<v Speaker 3>They all was standing in front of me and they

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<v Speaker 3>told me that's your time. We're taking you with us.

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<v Speaker 3>And I felt like I was lifted by them and

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<v Speaker 3>I went into the space. I reckon it wass a

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<v Speaker 3>hell or something like that, because I felt pain in

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<v Speaker 3>every single of my coorse of my body. It was

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<v Speaker 3>so painful that you cannot even handle it. And I

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<v Speaker 3>said like stop, stop, stop, I can't do this, and

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<v Speaker 3>they said, well that's what you deserve. But then I

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<v Speaker 3>was another soul ghost and it said let her go,

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<v Speaker 3>and then it said to me, you you will be back,

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<v Speaker 3>but you have to complete your mission. You didn't finish

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<v Speaker 3>it yet, you have to go back and do it.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I woke up and the next day my

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<v Speaker 3>favor was gone to kill you. I'm really sorry I

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<v Speaker 3>had to do that.

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<v Speaker 4>I go tu like to you. Episode eleven, chapter twenty four, Fearless.

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<v Speaker 3>And then when I opened my eyes, I wasn't that

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like military hospital. But it wasn't really hospital.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just the big room in the building which

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<v Speaker 3>was half destroyed. There were many, many different injured soldiers,

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<v Speaker 3>and some of them they wouldn't survive.

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<v Speaker 4>Aliyah was still on the border of Chechnya and Russia,

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<v Speaker 4>but further back from the front lines, recovering from her

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<v Speaker 4>injuries in a makeshift military hospital.

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<v Speaker 3>I had a doctor maybe like forty forty five is

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<v Speaker 3>years old, and she said, don't cry, everything will be good.

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<v Speaker 3>You would do He also very soon, no worry, And

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<v Speaker 3>I felt like I felt like she was like my mom,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like kind of like she cared about me,

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<v Speaker 3>which it was nice that she she gave me this support,

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<v Speaker 3>that moral support.

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<v Speaker 4>After a few days, the doctor discharged Aliah, gave her

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<v Speaker 4>crutches and sent her to a hospital closer to her

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<v Speaker 4>hometown in Russia. As she sat on the train back home,

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<v Speaker 4>Alah thought about her friend and fellow soldier, Rashid, who

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<v Speaker 4>had died in the attack on Alea's base.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't even know where he lived. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 3>his address or anything. I regretted that I didn't ask,

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<v Speaker 3>and then at that point I felt guilty.

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<v Speaker 4>The train dropped the way off in her hometown, where

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<v Speaker 4>she had been cut off by her family. She was

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<v Speaker 4>taken directly to a hospital to recuperate. Alone, with no

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<v Speaker 4>friends or relatives, Her thoughts began to fixate on the

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<v Speaker 4>abusive colonel whose marriage proposal she rejected, and she wondered

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<v Speaker 4>about his involvement in sending her to Cheeshnya.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't want to believe that he would send me

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<v Speaker 3>there Ford. You know, I still couldn't believe. I still

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<v Speaker 3>was thinking that, no, he can't do it. He loves me,

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<v Speaker 3>he can just like send me to die. It's probably

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<v Speaker 3>a bad luck. That's what I was telling myself, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was struggling. I wanted to hear his I was

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<v Speaker 3>so curious, but at the same time, I was so devastated.

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<v Speaker 3>If you would really do this to just kill me.

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<v Speaker 3>And I decided to call him and find out. Downstairs

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<v Speaker 3>in the hospital, they had stationary telephone, and I remember

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<v Speaker 3>I had his cell number. I even remember it now.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember a lot of things about him. I remember

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<v Speaker 3>the date of his verse every single day of the year.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember that funny. So I called him and he

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<v Speaker 3>picked up and I said, hey, this is me. And

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<v Speaker 3>it was a long post and he said, so did

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<v Speaker 3>you fix your mind? Did you learn anything in the world?

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<v Speaker 3>Did you become more obedient? And I asked him, did

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<v Speaker 3>you know what really happened there? He said, it doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 3>So did you become obedient? He asked me again, and

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<v Speaker 3>I said, what do you want exactly? And he said,

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<v Speaker 3>I want you to listen to me and follow my order.

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever I say you have to do. And he said,

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<v Speaker 3>and if you didn't learn your lesson, I will give

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<v Speaker 3>you another one. And I was so angry and frustrated

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<v Speaker 3>the way he talked to me, like I was kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like a dog on the street. He's like, I'll

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<v Speaker 3>give you the second lesson, like you know, fuck you.

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<v Speaker 3>But I couldn't tell him fuck you. I wish I could.

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<v Speaker 3>I just said goodbye, and I hang up with the phone.

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<v Speaker 3>But straight away after this telephone call, I had them

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<v Speaker 3>feeling inside it. Christopholla was right. He did send me

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<v Speaker 3>there to die. And second, what shall I do now?

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<v Speaker 3>And then the hospital gave me the paper where they stayed.

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<v Speaker 3>Now you are recovered, and now it's time to go

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<v Speaker 3>back to work. Then they sent this referral to my department,

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<v Speaker 3>to my commander, and I came back home to my apartment.

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<v Speaker 3>It was really lonely and it was really empty. I

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<v Speaker 3>even had some thoughts that time that I wish I

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<v Speaker 3>could be dead with Rashett and other soldiers.

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<v Speaker 4>Part of that wish to no longer be here was

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<v Speaker 4>because Leah knew what was waiting for her back at

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<v Speaker 4>the Department of Internal Affairs, her commander, the lieutenant general

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<v Speaker 4>whose advances she'd rejected. And sure enough, as soon as

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<v Speaker 4>Leah was no longer on crutches, the nightmare with him resumed,

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<v Speaker 4>but this time it would have a different ending.

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<v Speaker 3>By that time, I already didn't have crunches, but I

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<v Speaker 3>still walked kind of like Limpin and my lieutenant general,

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<v Speaker 3>my commander, he let everybody leave and he said stay

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<v Speaker 3>here for a little bit where he was sitting. It

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<v Speaker 3>was quite big room and behind on the wall where

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<v Speaker 3>he was sitting there was the president portrait and the

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<v Speaker 3>Russian flag, very patriotic. So he said, come closer. So

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<v Speaker 3>I took all my papers and everything and I moved

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<v Speaker 3>to the chair which was closer to his table. And

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<v Speaker 3>he said, take off your blouse and I said, excuse me?

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<v Speaker 3>He said, take off your blouse. Like open new buttons. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>don't worry, like why you like again, like a fucking vision,

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<v Speaker 3>just like, take some buttons. I just want to see.

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<v Speaker 3>I surprisingly for myself. I started to open some buttons,

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<v Speaker 3>and when I was opening, I was like thinking, what

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<v Speaker 3>exactly does he want? And I was in like this

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<v Speaker 3>doubt where I didn't want to go back to the war.

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<v Speaker 3>I was so tired and exhausted. I didn't want to

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<v Speaker 3>have any other problems. And I asked myself that moment,

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<v Speaker 3>could I potentially potentially have sex with this man who

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<v Speaker 3>is so disgusting to me? I was asking my brain,

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<v Speaker 3>like can you do it? You know, just to save ourselves.

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<v Speaker 3>But just like first two buttons, and he said, listen,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not the man who will ask two times. I

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<v Speaker 3>ask you one time, and I'm not the guy who

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<v Speaker 3>will run after you and trying to chase you. And

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<v Speaker 3>he said, with my position, I can destroy you or

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<v Speaker 3>I can reward you like a queen. You choose, and

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<v Speaker 3>you know what, I made my choice that moment, and

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<v Speaker 3>I said, inside of myself, do you know what if

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<v Speaker 3>I survived the war, I'll survive. Fuck you as whole.

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<v Speaker 4>In that moment, a Leah realized that the only power

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<v Speaker 4>that the lieutenant general had over her was fear. So

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<v Speaker 4>she did something that her experiences in Shshnya made possible.

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<v Speaker 3>I closed my buttons, I turn around and I walked

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<v Speaker 3>out from the room. And you know what I was thinking.

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<v Speaker 3>I was thinking, it will be the day when I

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<v Speaker 3>will press the trigger and you'll be dead.

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<v Speaker 4>You'll see the aliah Rosa that had left for Cheshnia

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<v Speaker 4>was not the same person who had returned. When you've

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<v Speaker 4>been the Helen back and are no longer afraid to die, threats,

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<v Speaker 4>punishments and consequences hold no power over you, you are,

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<v Speaker 4>in a sense free.

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<v Speaker 3>Something happened with me after that war. I felt like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what, like, what else can you do? Send

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<v Speaker 3>me back? No problem? Send me back. You know you

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<v Speaker 3>want me to be that I kind of like I

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<v Speaker 3>already was there. I was almost dead. When you come

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<v Speaker 3>to the point when you're not scared anymore, I became

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<v Speaker 3>completely fearless, and it gave me so much power and

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<v Speaker 3>I just felt it. I felt that moment and I said, like,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not I don't. I will never again in my

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<v Speaker 3>life allow any man to use my body like they

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<v Speaker 3>used to do it. I will not allow that. I

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<v Speaker 3>can only sacrifice my body for some big missions, if

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<v Speaker 3>it has to be done to save some people, but

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<v Speaker 3>I definitely won't do it just to please some asshole.

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<v Speaker 3>And that moment when the lieutenant general told me, like,

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<v Speaker 3>take off your blouse and I said and said, no,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not doing that. I started to respect myself. It

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<v Speaker 3>completely shifted and I was proud of myself. I said,

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<v Speaker 3>I will fight. I just had that feeling and I

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<v Speaker 3>still have it.

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<v Speaker 4>After standing up to her commander, a strong sense of

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<v Speaker 4>peace overcame Aleiah. That evening, she slept without nightmares for

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<v Speaker 4>the first time in years.

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<v Speaker 3>I woke up feeling better and I woke up without

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<v Speaker 3>having nightmares like I used to have every single night.

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<v Speaker 3>I was in a good mood when I came to

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<v Speaker 3>the department and as always eight am we have our report.

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<v Speaker 3>Morning I looked at his face and I always tried

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<v Speaker 3>to hide my eyes, but that morning I looked straight

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<v Speaker 3>up to his fucking face, straight to his eyes, and

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<v Speaker 3>I've noticed that he was a waiting looking into my face.

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<v Speaker 4>That's because he was planning. The same thing is done

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<v Speaker 4>in the past, and someone rejects his advances, sends them

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<v Speaker 4>on a mission where the most likely outcome is a

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<v Speaker 4>bullet in the head. But this time it wouldn't be cheshnyah,

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<v Speaker 4>it would be another type of war.

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<v Speaker 3>In the end of the reporting, our commander Lieutenant general

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<v Speaker 3>said that he signed agents for the special mission, which

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<v Speaker 3>was to find out places where hearing was supplied and

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<v Speaker 3>sold from Afghanistan by the criminal gang, which was the biggest,

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<v Speaker 3>the most violent, the most dangerous, not just in the city,

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<v Speaker 3>in the whole area, and they monopolized the whole market

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<v Speaker 3>of drug trafficking and human trafficking. And we're supposed to

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<v Speaker 3>work on this gang. That moment, I felt like, oh

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<v Speaker 3>my god, we are so fucked.

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<v Speaker 4>After selecting Lea for this mission, the commander that announced

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<v Speaker 4>her support team, the four youngest least experienced agents in

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<v Speaker 4>the department.

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<v Speaker 3>So we had the tia of losers, basicly, but nobody

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<v Speaker 3>said anything. Everybody were so scared of our commander, and

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<v Speaker 3>there was just sitting looking at the floor and just

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<v Speaker 3>like doing nothing and just like sweating.

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<v Speaker 4>Chapter twenty five. The Mafia Estate.

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<v Speaker 5>The first half of the nineties was major gang wars, shootouts, explosions,

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<v Speaker 5>grenades being launched into buildings, people being murdered on the streets,

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<v Speaker 5>really a lot of mayhem.

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<v Speaker 4>This is Joe Cirio, author of several books on the

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<v Speaker 4>Russian mafia and reportedly the only American to work in

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<v Speaker 4>the Organized Crime Control Department of the Soviet National Police.

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<v Speaker 4>Before we get into a Leah and her team's dangerous assignment,

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<v Speaker 4>I called him to better understand how the mafia works

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<v Speaker 4>in Russia, because it's nothing like in the movies. It's

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<v Speaker 4>worse in an appetite for violence, a lucrative international enterprise

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<v Speaker 4>stretching from Moscow to Israel to Thailand to the United States.

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<v Speaker 4>There have no qualms about murdering people.

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<v Speaker 3>If they have to kill you, they'll kill you. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's Joe Sirio again, explaining how the breakup of the

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<v Speaker 4>Soviet Union created a power vacuum that the Russian mafia

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<v Speaker 4>then stepped into. As Russian suddenly cut loose from state

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<v Speaker 4>support looked for new sources of income. This network of

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<v Speaker 4>gangs grew in size and influence.

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<v Speaker 5>You had these athletes who no longer had the support

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<v Speaker 5>of the state. You had military that was being demobilized

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<v Speaker 5>from Afghanistan. You had security services that knew where all

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<v Speaker 5>the bodies are buried. And toward the end of the

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<v Speaker 5>nineties and into the two thousands, it started becoming consolidated,

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<v Speaker 5>especially around the oligarchs and the security services.

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<v Speaker 4>So when the government was ready to reassert itself, not

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<v Speaker 4>only did it have to work with the mafia, but

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<v Speaker 4>there was no telling who is government and who was

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<v Speaker 4>mafia anymore. Everybody wanted money and power.

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<v Speaker 6>The one critical thing to understand in Putin is that

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<v Speaker 6>he's not really running country. He's running a massive mafia state,

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<v Speaker 6>and it's often, if not always, about money.

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<v Speaker 5>One thing that people have to understand is that organized

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<v Speaker 5>crime mafia in a way that we think about it traditionally,

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<v Speaker 5>was not an outside invading force. The gangs were part

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<v Speaker 5>of the landscape. They worked hand in hand with the state.

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<v Speaker 5>So some gangs were actually made up of prosecutors and cops.

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<v Speaker 5>Some gangs were former state officials. Some gangs were the

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<v Speaker 5>typical criminal gangs that came out of the quote unquote underworld.

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<v Speaker 5>You could have one guy who was a gangster and

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<v Speaker 5>a bureau at end a politician all in the same person.

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<v Speaker 5>But if you think about organized crime in mafia as

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<v Speaker 5>a separate entity, you'll totally come to the wrong conclusions

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<v Speaker 5>about Russia. So you're operating all the time in this

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<v Speaker 5>environment of smoke and mirrors.

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<v Speaker 4>So, as Aliah tells this next part of her story

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<v Speaker 4>through her experience, it may be helpful to zoom out

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<v Speaker 4>and consider what her commander's real agenda might have been,

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<v Speaker 4>perhaps not just for her death, but for his enrichment.

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<v Speaker 5>Russia is about survival period, end of story. The mentality

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<v Speaker 5>is a thousand year old mentality, and the mentality among gangs, gangsters,

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<v Speaker 5>organized crime groups, politicians, people in power is I will

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<v Speaker 5>take until you're strong enough to stop me. And the

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<v Speaker 5>difficult part of all this is that you have this

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<v Speaker 5>mafia mentality in the state, and you have this mafia

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<v Speaker 5>muscle in terms of gangsters, in terms of firepower, So

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<v Speaker 5>what do you do with that?

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<v Speaker 4>Leah was in her early twenties at this time, and

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<v Speaker 4>had lived a very insular life, first in her strict

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<v Speaker 4>home and then in the military, so she was unaware

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<v Speaker 4>of this complicated game of chess being played around her.

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<v Speaker 4>But those walls were slowly coming down.

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<v Speaker 3>A few times, my agents, my colleagues, we were chasing

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<v Speaker 3>some drug dealers, and eventually when we would like get

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<v Speaker 3>into the house or like apartment where they would sell drugs,

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<v Speaker 3>our commander would call us and say, get out of

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<v Speaker 3>their like you can't touch them, and we would like understand,

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<v Speaker 3>how like fuck again, like we couldn't touch them because

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<v Speaker 3>they would give money to our commander because he was bribed.

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<v Speaker 3>But yet our commander wanted us to complete five cases

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<v Speaker 3>a week. How the fuck was supposed to do that?

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<v Speaker 3>And of course, like agents, like what they're supposed to do.

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<v Speaker 3>We take like prostitute or drug dealer, put in the

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<v Speaker 3>back or like in the pocket, like these drugs and

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<v Speaker 3>then pretend like there is the whole criminal case and

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<v Speaker 3>send them to the prison and say, like okay, if

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<v Speaker 3>we did five cases, so what.

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<v Speaker 4>Despite getting pulled in by this corrupt culture, Eliah still

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't aware that the problems in Russian intelligence went far

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<v Speaker 4>beyond bribery and abuse. She was still inspired or brainwashed

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<v Speaker 4>by the belief that there were bad people and good

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<v Speaker 4>people out there, and her job, her assignment was to

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<v Speaker 4>fight the evil, at least when the evil wasn't paying

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<v Speaker 4>a cake back.

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<v Speaker 3>By that time, my motivation was to I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>I just I still have Nightmarcy cannot forget these faces

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<v Speaker 3>of these twelve ten years old girls being like overdosed

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<v Speaker 3>and being literally like dad, laying on the floor of

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<v Speaker 3>different labs and on the street. So for me that time,

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<v Speaker 3>I thought, I don't want to leave anyway, but at

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<v Speaker 3>least my life can be for good. You know, when

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<v Speaker 3>you don't have fear to be killed, you don't have

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<v Speaker 3>fear of death, you can do crazy things.

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<v Speaker 4>The Leah and her team decided to do their best

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<v Speaker 4>with the mission they'd been given to bring down one

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<v Speaker 4>of the biggest drug and human trafficking gangs in the city.

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<v Speaker 4>They were then assigned a slightly more experienced team leader

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<v Speaker 4>who had been undercovering the gang for the last few

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<v Speaker 4>months as a small time drug dealer, providing them with escorts.

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<v Speaker 4>Under his direction, they began a surveillance operation on a gang.

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<v Speaker 3>So we divided and the first team that would patrol

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<v Speaker 3>the house the criminals would hang out, They would check

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<v Speaker 3>restaurants where they go and basically everyone who is involved.

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<v Speaker 3>Then the second team would be doing exactly the same

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<v Speaker 3>but with another members of the gang. So we were

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<v Speaker 3>just collecting information. The gang was really big, and it

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<v Speaker 3>took for us like quite a long time because we

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<v Speaker 3>had to find out all details. And then every single

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<v Speaker 3>day in the morning, like at eight am, during the report,

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<v Speaker 3>my commander he would scream at us and say, like

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<v Speaker 3>give me more information, like what did you do? Like

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<v Speaker 3>do you do any.

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<v Speaker 4>Shat Their main target was the leader of this gang, Vladimir.

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<v Speaker 3>My colleague brought the photo and he said, well, this

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<v Speaker 3>is our guy.

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<v Speaker 4>This is the leader, a great danger to themselves. Aliyah

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<v Speaker 4>and her fellow agents again staking out Vladimir at the

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<v Speaker 4>boxing gym hewned.

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<v Speaker 3>So we basically earn his daily routine. He would wake

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<v Speaker 3>up early morning. He lived in the house together with

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<v Speaker 3>his other guys in the gang. Then they would drive

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<v Speaker 3>black trunk and they would drive to the boxing court

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<v Speaker 3>and then they would have meetings like meetings with the brothers.

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<v Speaker 3>And one day, remember we were following the car and

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<v Speaker 3>we went maybe like twenty kilometers from the city and

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<v Speaker 3>it was closer to the forest. The meeting was between

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<v Speaker 3>two criminal leaders. For like maybe ten minutes, maybe twenty

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<v Speaker 3>people was standing in front of each other and there

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<v Speaker 3>was some tension going on. But then at one moment,

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<v Speaker 3>everybody took the gun and started to shoot each other.

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<v Speaker 3>So the few brothers were killed from both sides. So

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<v Speaker 3>I thought like, yeah, this is pretty scary and it's

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<v Speaker 3>pretty wild.

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<v Speaker 4>And it was about to get scarier for Leah because

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<v Speaker 4>her team leader, who was undercovering the game as a

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<v Speaker 4>sort of pimp, soon gave her a specific assignment.

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<v Speaker 3>So he told me, I will bring you introduced you

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<v Speaker 3>to the Vladhimer and you need to use all your

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<v Speaker 3>seduction techniques because you need to establish connection with Vladhimer.

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<v Speaker 3>And I couldn't say no because he's the boss of

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<v Speaker 3>our team, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>In other words, he would be introducing Leah to their

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<v Speaker 4>target as an escort, and her job was to somehow,

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<v Speaker 4>while playing that uncomfortable role, seduce Vladimir into wanting to

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<v Speaker 4>see her more. Leah thought back to her training in

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<v Speaker 4>order to figure out her first.

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<v Speaker 3>Moves in the academy. They told us, and they taught us.

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<v Speaker 3>First of all, the most important if you want to

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<v Speaker 3>have a power of anyone, any of your target, the

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<v Speaker 3>most important thing is to find his weaknesses through his childhood,

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<v Speaker 3>mostly could be parents than former partners, the first lave

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<v Speaker 3>and knowing this weakness, you can manipulate your target motives, emotions, dreams, desires.

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<v Speaker 4>Leah and her team went through one of Vladimir's high

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<v Speaker 4>school yearbooks and look for former classmates who they could

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<v Speaker 4>reach out to. Eventually they found someone willing to talk.

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<v Speaker 3>His former classmates said that Vladimir was coming from a

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<v Speaker 3>good family and he graduated his school and eighteen years

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<v Speaker 3>old he was sent to the army. And this is

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<v Speaker 3>very important information. Now he had a sweetheart, a girl

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<v Speaker 3>from Uzbekistan, and for a few years they had this

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<v Speaker 3>boyfriend girlfriend relationship and it was his first love. Everybody

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<v Speaker 3>knew that one day they would get married and have

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<v Speaker 3>children and nice family, but it didn't happen. When Vladimir

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<v Speaker 3>went to the army, she didn't wait for him, so

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<v Speaker 3>she started to date someone else. She started to date

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<v Speaker 3>one criminal, and then he came back from the army

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<v Speaker 3>and she was already pregnant from that criminal guy. So

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<v Speaker 3>Vladimir was heartbroken and he went first to the police,

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<v Speaker 3>then he quit and he went to the criminal gang.

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<v Speaker 3>And when we heard that story together, we have exactly

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<v Speaker 3>the same idea. It's the same strategy of each really

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<v Speaker 3>learned in the academy. I will explain. It's a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit veered, but that's exactly what government does. For example,

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<v Speaker 3>users are what they used to do when they try

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<v Speaker 3>to manipulate the whole population.

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<v Speaker 4>Although this had begun as a suicide mission, Eliah felt

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<v Speaker 4>that through this weakness she now had a possible way

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<v Speaker 4>into the gang. She just needed to use one of

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<v Speaker 4>the key techniques she'd learned in her training. What psychologist

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<v Speaker 4>and marketing expert Robert Chaldini explains here as pre suasion.

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<v Speaker 7>Pre Suasion is the practice of gaining agreement with a

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<v Speaker 7>message before you deliver it. The choices that we make

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<v Speaker 7>are more related to what is top of mind just

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<v Speaker 7>before the choice.

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<v Speaker 3>That's exactly what we decided to do for Vladimir. His

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<v Speaker 3>first love was Asian from Central Asia. I have the

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<v Speaker 3>same look, and we created that plan. What if we

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<v Speaker 3>will program his unconsciousness that there is a happy end,

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<v Speaker 3>potentially somewhere in another world, in another life with another woman,

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<v Speaker 3>but same as her, but just better version. This is

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<v Speaker 3>the manipulation technique, where you create a virtual reality for

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<v Speaker 3>the target brain.

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<v Speaker 4>I found it interesting and terrifying that these love traps

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<v Speaker 4>are often set and planted in the target's unconscious mind

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<v Speaker 4>long before the target has even met the agent.

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<v Speaker 3>So I ask some of my friends girlfriends who looked

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<v Speaker 3>more or less Asian, and we created three couples, kind

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<v Speaker 3>of couples. Every morning, Vladimir would have his breakfast with

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<v Speaker 3>his brothers, so this one couple would go to the

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<v Speaker 3>same cafe and they would sit just in front of

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<v Speaker 3>him in the next table. They would kiss each other

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<v Speaker 3>and hug each other and just look at each other

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<v Speaker 3>with the lovable eyes. So it was first step, the

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<v Speaker 3>second step, another girl Asian looking and another boy who

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<v Speaker 3>was wearing uniform from the army. We put the pillow

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<v Speaker 3>in her belly, presending that she was pregnant. So once

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<v Speaker 3>Vladimir went out from the boxing cort going to the car,

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<v Speaker 3>he saw that couple. Third time, we had a little baby.

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<v Speaker 3>We gave it to another Asian looking girl, and we

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<v Speaker 3>had another guy who would wore the uniform from the army,

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<v Speaker 3>and we put the baby into courage and they would

0:31:10.360 --> 0:31:16.360
<v Speaker 3>walk around the house where Vladimir lived. So we planted

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<v Speaker 3>in his head. In some reality, there is a potential

0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:24.760
<v Speaker 3>happy ending of the story.

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<v Speaker 4>Once these subconscious messages were implanted in Vladimir's brain, the

0:31:30.200 --> 0:31:33.040
<v Speaker 4>next step was the conscious part of the seduction. It

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<v Speaker 4>was time for Leah to turn herself into a version

0:31:35.280 --> 0:31:37.920
<v Speaker 4>of this woman, a reminder of the path not taken.

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<v Speaker 3>We couldn't really find out the way she looked like,

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<v Speaker 3>but we asked some questions from the classmate, so his

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<v Speaker 3>first laugh, she looked Asian. She was very funny, all

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:59.000
<v Speaker 3>this positive and smiling. She was wearing like short skurs

0:31:59.480 --> 0:32:05.000
<v Speaker 3>use a type of uniform, and the white sox. She

0:32:05.120 --> 0:32:10.160
<v Speaker 3>had long hair braided. So we started to work on

0:32:10.240 --> 0:32:16.040
<v Speaker 3>my appearance and we decided that I should be somebody

0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:20.680
<v Speaker 3>like a student, but on the side, I would need

0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:24.720
<v Speaker 3>to be a prostitute basically, so I had to play

0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:28.000
<v Speaker 3>this role that I don't have money and I am

0:32:28.040 --> 0:32:35.040
<v Speaker 3>a student and I need money for my parents who

0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:35.560
<v Speaker 3>are sick.

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<v Speaker 4>So still before her first encounter with Vladimir, Leah began

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<v Speaker 4>practicing for the role. Living in this new identity.

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<v Speaker 3>I had to create the name of my mom. I

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<v Speaker 3>had to create her illness. I created the whole background

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<v Speaker 3>which never existed in my life, but I just created

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<v Speaker 3>in my brain and made my brain believe in it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's important because sometimes, like when you sleep, or you

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<v Speaker 3>in or you in a high pain, unconsciously, you can

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<v Speaker 3>give your real name. That's why as an agent, you

0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:09.240
<v Speaker 3>literally have to become this person.

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<v Speaker 4>In addition, whenever her fellow agents arrested prostitutes, Aliah would

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<v Speaker 4>speak with them so she could learn and imitate how

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<v Speaker 4>they dress, walk, talk and act.

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<v Speaker 3>Every time when I would check prostitutes in order to

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<v Speaker 3>find drugs in the bag, I would find just a

0:33:25.960 --> 0:33:32.600
<v Speaker 3>few things which always were there. Condoms, lubricant, powder, lipstick.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it. So I literally started to carry in my

0:33:36.600 --> 0:33:40.920
<v Speaker 3>back same stuff. I created that image of that girl

0:33:42.080 --> 0:33:48.600
<v Speaker 3>who was that good girl, but she needed money, so

0:33:48.680 --> 0:33:53.800
<v Speaker 3>she desperately needed his help. Somebody who will protect her

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<v Speaker 3>and somebody who will fall in love.

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<v Speaker 4>Eliah was now ready for the most dangerous seduction of

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<v Speaker 4>our life. Setting a love trap for a foreign official

0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:08.520
<v Speaker 4>comes with low consequences. If you're caught in your own country,

0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:12.359
<v Speaker 4>it's just a failed mission. But with criminals. If your

0:34:12.400 --> 0:34:16.160
<v Speaker 4>identity as an undercover agent is revealed, there's typically just

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<v Speaker 4>one consequence death.

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<v Speaker 3>I was preparing for the most important meeting in my life,

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<v Speaker 3>and I knew that I will go to the club,

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<v Speaker 3>same as Vladimir and his brothers go almost every day.

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<v Speaker 3>And I knew exactly what table it would be, what bar,

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<v Speaker 3>how we'll respond, how we we'll talk. And I wrote

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<v Speaker 3>a report to my commander and I said, we will

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<v Speaker 3>do the first contact next Friday. And the commander said, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I confirm you can go ahead. And we received the confirmation,

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<v Speaker 3>so you were ready to go.

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<v Speaker 4>Leah's story continues in episode twelve as she begins this

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<v Speaker 4>dangerous mission infiltrating one of the biggest drug gangs in

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<v Speaker 4>the city.

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<v Speaker 3>He started to kiss me, and I just forgot that

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<v Speaker 3>it was my job.

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<v Speaker 4>To die for is a production of Tenderfoot TV in

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<v Speaker 4>association with iHeart Podcasts. The show is hosted and written

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<v Speaker 4>by me Neil Strauss, with additional writing assistants by Tristan Bankston.

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<v Speaker 4>Executive producers are myself, Donald Albright, and Payne Lindsay. For

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<v Speaker 4>iHeart Podcasts, executive producers are Matt Frederick and Alex Williams.

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<v Speaker 4>Lead producer and editor is Tristan Bankston. Additional editing by

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<v Speaker 4>Miles Clark and Christian Brown. Supervising producer Tracy Kaplan. Consultants

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<v Speaker 4>include Nushin, Valiza Day, Chelsea Gooden and Jamie Albright. Artwork

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<v Speaker 4>by Byron McCoy. Original music by Makeup and Vanity Set,

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<v Speaker 4>mixed and mastered by Dayton Cole. Our theme song is

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<v Speaker 4>Killer Shangwi Law by Psychotic Beats featuring Pattiamore. Special thanks

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<v Speaker 4>to Aren Rosenbaub and the team at Uta Bech Media

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<v Speaker 4>and Marketing Aarren Siegel, Becky Johnsen, the Nord Group, Meredith

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