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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio of the

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Speaker 1: George Washington Broadcast Center.

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Speaker 2: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty arm Strong and Jetty and

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Speaker 2: now he Armstrong and Yetty, a Yale psychiatry fellow, told

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Speaker 2: MSNBC it's okay to cancel Thanksgiving plans with relatives who

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Speaker 2: voted for Trump, also endorsing the effort Trump voters, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: psychologist says, or therapist says, got the whole world of

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Speaker 2: therapy seriously, Oh my god. Therapists say it's okay to

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Speaker 2: cancel Thanksgiving if you don't want to be with Trump voters,

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Speaker 2: all right, go go live your weird life. What percentage

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Speaker 2: if the whole therapy world's a scam?

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon?

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's a scam, but is worthless eighty

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Speaker 2: to ninety percent in my opinion, And I have spent

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Speaker 2: many thousands of dollars with many, many people. There's definitely

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Speaker 2: some helpful good stuff out there, but there's a lot

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Speaker 2: that's not, which is so unfortunate because there are a

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Speaker 2: lot of people that need help in all kinds of

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Speaker 2: different ways, and they think they're gonna get it that way,

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Speaker 2: and man, you.

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Speaker 1: Are not unless you get really lucky.

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Speaker 2: Wow, dang in your marriage and your kids and all

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Speaker 2: the things you're and you usually call somebody when you're

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Speaker 2: in a crisis, and they are so unlikely to help you.

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Speaker 1: It's just so horrible.

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Speaker 2: Just to make it cleary, yours is not a knee

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Speaker 2: jerk dismissing. It's got an observation of the execution, the

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Speaker 2: actual law, you performance of it. I have got decades

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Speaker 2: and maybe six figures worth of bills over the many

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Speaker 2: years with therapists, and it is it is mostly a

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Speaker 2: waste of time, with exceptions that are incredibly valuable. That's

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Speaker 2: one thing that keeps people, you know, trying and going

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Speaker 2: back because the ones that work are amazing and very helpful.

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Speaker 2: But whoa anyway, didn't mean to get off on that.

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Speaker 2: There is some way myself breaking news. The hush money

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Speaker 2: case is going to be delayed for some reason, which

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Speaker 2: sometimes means on these cases it's going away and you'll

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Speaker 2: never hear about it again. I don't even remember which

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Speaker 2: one this was. I mean, I remember it's Stormy Daniels

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Speaker 2: and the sex and all that sort of, but I

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Speaker 2: don't remember. Alvin Bragg thirty four Felonies et cetera, adapting

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Speaker 2: paperwork misdemeanors up into felonies.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is one Vershanya.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, wow, And I'm disappointed because I want this

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Speaker 2: appeal appeals court to treat it like I almost said,

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Speaker 2: Aaron judge, but he's a loser. Hey, Hanson, just want

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Speaker 2: to jump in he real quick. Noah Rothman is on

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Speaker 2: Fox talking about this right now. Can you grab some

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Speaker 2: of that hands, And I'd love to hear what he's

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Speaker 2: saying on this result, because if this turns out to

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Speaker 2: be like you just said, this will be the nail

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Speaker 2: in the coffin of the proof that it was just

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Speaker 2: law fair, It wasn't just an attempt to bring the

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Speaker 2: guy down. I just wanted it to be so inescapably

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Speaker 2: clear nobody could could deny it anymore.

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Speaker 1: Although there's such cultists.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they would accuse the judge, the appeals panel

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Speaker 2: or whatever that overturned the verdict of being you know,

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Speaker 1: So there's no getting through to these people.

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Speaker 2: So here's something I came across that I thought was

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Speaker 2: darned interesting, and it looks to me, without a tremendous

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Speaker 2: amount of research on this, that the Free market plays

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Speaker 2: a big role in this graph. So it's a graph

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Speaker 2: of things that have gotten cheaper since two thousand. So

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Speaker 2: this century things that have gotten more expensive since two

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Speaker 2: thousand and the difference is amazing of their list. You

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Speaker 2: know what has gotten more affordable the most this century.

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Speaker 2: TVs have become more affordable almost one hundred percent cheaper

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Speaker 2: than they were beginning of the century, followed by toys, which.

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Speaker 1: Has got to do with I don't know, Chinese crap, cheap,

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Speaker 1: Chinese crap correct.

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Speaker 2: Cell phone services have gotten have gone down forty one

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Speaker 2: about their cell phone bill?

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Speaker 1: Really?

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Speaker 2: I was trying to explain to my kids on how

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry, I just had a memory.

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, there I am at my fiance's house and her.

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Speaker 1: Quite a bit older.

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Speaker 2: I grew up just barely post recession, not recession depression.

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Speaker 1: Dad, who was extremely frugal.

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Speaker 2: I called my parents to let them know something, and

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, really, really, that call probably cost thirty

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Speaker 1: Here's a buck.

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Speaker 2: Keep the chance. Closest I ever came to a spat

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Speaker 2: with my in laws. My godling me up a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Did you have that tone of voice or were you

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Speaker 2: just thinking that? Or you know what? The human memory

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Speaker 2: in my voice saying I'll be happy to pay for it.

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Speaker 2: Is different, fan, here's a buck keep the change.

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Speaker 1: Well, I believe that was the verbiage and the tone

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh my god. So clothing has been

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Speaker 2: roughly flat. Trust trust me, this is about to get interesting.

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Speaker 2: Clothing has been flat this century. New cars are up

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Speaker 2: twenty six percent since the year two thousand. This is

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Speaker 2: all ingested for inflation. You realize cars are up twenty

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Speaker 2: six percent, But what has gone up the most. I'll

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Speaker 2: skip up there, childcare and nursery school. Why is that

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Speaker 2: up one hundred and thirty two percent? Why is childcare

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Speaker 2: think demand? Why is there so much more demand? I

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Speaker 2: just I would like to know. I would like to

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Speaker 2: hear a smart person explain all that.

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Speaker 1: More and more women in the workforce.

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Speaker 2: But here's your top three. College textbooks are up one

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty four percent since the year two.

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Speaker 1: Costs of paper and ink.

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Speaker 1: Books is so much more expensive than it used to be.

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Speaker 2: College tuition and fees up one hundred and eighty five

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Speaker 2: there's been a five percent increase in the number of students,

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Speaker 2: and what an eighty seven percent to increase in the

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Speaker 1: That's funny, it seems to correlate.

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Speaker 2: I would love to have a bunch of policy makers

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Speaker 2: in terms of prices and the ones that have shot

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Speaker 2: the differences in you know, policies and the sort of

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Speaker 2: but this doesn't make any sense, or what we could

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Speaker 2: is nut So the college tuition and fees, I think

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Speaker 2: But it's all kinds of government intervention. It's the opposite

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Speaker 2: of the free market. Hospital services two hundred and forty

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Speaker 2: four percent since the beginning of this century moving up.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know about you. I mean, I didn't

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Speaker 2: my life before. But oh my god, it's expensive to

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Speaker 2: go to the doctor with anything now.

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Speaker 1: It's horrific.

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Speaker 2: And I've been reading a fair amount about this and

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Speaker 2: trying I'm struggling with how to present it to the show.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we ought to have Craig the healthcare Guru on again,

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Speaker 2: but because of the unholy uh marriage between alleged free

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Speaker 2: government officials decreeing how the market should operate, and the

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Speaker 2: bribes that go between them at every stage of healthcare.

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Speaker 2: At every stage of getting your prescriptions, for instance, there

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Speaker 2: are multiple players who are reaping huge profits and squeak

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Speaker 2: any competition with the blessing of their government overlords. It

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Speaker 2: is an enormous scam and the consumer is getting screwed.

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Speaker 2: Bad dishonesty in Congress is a big part of it too.

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Speaker 2: I got some bills the other day. It has gotten

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Speaker 2: kids pretty much knee jerk, something big happens, We're going

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Speaker 2: very very clear that going to the doctor is a

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Speaker 1: Because it's so flip and expensive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Johnny, you've still got one arm left. Let's

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Speaker 2: just see how quick the bleeding stops. Let's be cup

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Speaker 2: is half full, people here, You've got an arm. Hospital

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Speaker 2: services are up two hundred and forty four percent since

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Speaker 2: the beginning of the century, and you would need one

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Speaker 2: and then the solution would be more complicated than that.

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Speaker 2: Dang it. Yeah, the general overview is not that complicated.

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Speaker 2: So it's similar to we've been talking about on our

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Speaker 2: goal is to make it so you won't drive a

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Speaker 2: trying to force you to change your lifestyle. The goal

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Speaker 2: with for a lot of people, some of it is

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Speaker 2: just greed and making money. But with the whole hospital thing,

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Speaker 2: plenty of policy makers they want to get it so

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Speaker 2: expensive that people throw up their hands and say, yeah,

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Speaker 2: full government healthcare, sign me up.

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: And at some point you can understand where you would

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Speaker 2: all this paperwork and everything in the same way in theory.

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Speaker 2: It's not the way it actually would work, right right,

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Speaker 2: I was just doing some quick math. Yeah, one two

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Speaker 2: hundred and thirty fifth of the world's population making meaningless

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Speaker 2: green energy gestures is really going to help with the

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Speaker 2: climate change. It is just so dumb and frustrating and angering.

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Speaker 2: Democrats have the advantage of it. They can come up

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Speaker 2: with policies that make things so expensive they convince people

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Speaker 1: Yeah, whether it's has any meaningful impact or not, what

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Speaker 2: It's not the point. The point is whether they feel

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Speaker 2: noble or not. Anyway, speaking of the prices of things,

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Speaker 2: I found this so interesting. It's an article in the

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Speaker 2: journal about luxury goods that they cost a lot more

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Speaker 2: these days with no improvement and quality to make up

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Speaker 2: for it, and sales are starting to dip among some

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Speaker 2: of the luxury brants. I want to hear about that

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Speaker 2: basic cotton T shirt at Christian Dior. How much are

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Speaker 2: you paying for your basic cotton T shirts? Well, at

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Speaker 2: Dior it's one thousand dollars. Whoa Gucci's plainest black horse

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Speaker 2: wanted to get to, because it hasn't really crystallized in

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Speaker 2: my head until recently, is her point number three. It

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Speaker 2: has more to do with the repudiation of totalitarianism than

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Speaker 2: with Trump as a person. And you hear totalitarianism and

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Speaker 2: you think of Oprah's ridiculous, you know, predictions and everything

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Speaker 2: about the Handmaid's Tale and there will be no more

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Speaker 2: elections and that sort of thing. And Michael Madison Square

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Speaker 2: Garden is reminiscent of the Nazis, and it was just

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Speaker 2: like the Nazis.

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Speaker 1: You remember the Nazis, Yeah, we remember the thing Nazis.

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Speaker 2: But on the question of totalitarianism, put aside your polypide

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Speaker 2: class his three book version of totalitarianism and harken your

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Speaker 2: ear if you would to one Michael Schellenberger, Michael will

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Speaker 2: start with sixty five and go from there.

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Speaker 4: These results are nothing short of a massive political realignment

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Speaker 4: that should put to bed once and for all the

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Speaker 4: corrosive myth that Trump's coalition is driven by white supremacy

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Speaker 4: or fascism. And so, if anybody really wants to understand

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Speaker 4: why so many of us, even if we have our

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Speaker 4: criticisms of Trump, feel relief and vindication as victory, they

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Speaker 4: need to consider that it has more to do with

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Speaker 4: the repudiation of totalitarianism than with Trump as a person,

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Speaker 4: or even as policies. Wokeism or whatever you want to

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Speaker 4: call it, progressivism, identity politics, radical leftism has been rampaging

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Speaker 4: through society for roughly the last decade. Literal sometime between

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Speaker 4: Occupy Wall Street in twenty eleven and the first Black

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Speaker 4: Lives Matter protests in twenty thirteen, seemingly normal liberals and

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Speaker 4: Democrats started to lose their minds. Everything became racist, everything

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Speaker 4: became suspicious. Nothing was more suspicious than not agreeing one

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Speaker 4: hundred percent with the official woke democratic agenda. Trump's election

468
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Speaker 4: put wokeism on steroids, suddenly a word that in the past,

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Speaker 4: only extreme radical leftists had used to describe a Republican president.

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Speaker 4: Fascist was now being used by very serious people like

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Speaker 4: the New York Times columnists, establishment Democrats, and the previously

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Speaker 4: sober Foreign policy establishment.

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Speaker 2: There's a fair amount more jack unless you want to

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Speaker 2: jump in right there. Here's where he really brings it home.

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Speaker 4: From news and entertainment media to schools and universities. These

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Speaker 4: institutions encouraged and participated in the mass condemnation and cancellation

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Speaker 4: of heretics, which became known as the Great Awokening and

478
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Speaker 4: was really a new witch hunt. Ordinary and otherwise decent

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Speaker 4: people behaved cruelly. They accused people they had known for

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Speaker 4: years or decades of bigotry or racism, or of wanting

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Speaker 4: to genocide trans people, or wanting millions to die from COVID.

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Speaker 4: Diverging from progressive orthodoxy in any way became enough for

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Speaker 4: people to not only end friendships, but to insist that

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Speaker 4: the transgressors be ostracized and excommunicated.

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Speaker 1: Ah, go ahead.

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Speaker 4: Those who had made a great show of being courageously,

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Speaker 4: open minded and tolerant became intolerant, incurious, and cowardly. We

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Speaker 4: were asked to pretend that the people carrying the pitchforks

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Speaker 4: and torches to go witch hunting were in fact well

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Speaker 4: intentioned and just cared a lot more than the rest

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Speaker 4: of us. They didn't. Behind the tautalitarianism were individuals who

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Speaker 4: had given into base motives like hedonism, envy, dogmatism, self righteousness, prejudice, snobbery, psychopathy.

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Speaker 4: Reconciliation is the higher road than revenge. But such reconciliation

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Speaker 4: cannot occur until we confront the lies and reveal the

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Speaker 4: full truth of the tatalitarianism that we all just went through.

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Speaker 4: We must not let the abusers gaslight us into thinking

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Speaker 4: that what occurred was anything other than abnormal.

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Speaker 2: The point being, there was great energy on the left,

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Speaker 2: and a lot of you have suffered for it, materially

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Speaker 2: in punishing anyone who dared dissent on a variety of topics,

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Speaker 2: A wide variety of topics, not vehement disagreement, not even

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Speaker 2: shouting and wagging fingers.

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Speaker 1: But I will ruin you.

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Speaker 2: I will end your career, I will dox you, I

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Speaker 2: will call your employer on everything from boys and girls

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Speaker 2: sports to COVID policy to all of the other things

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Speaker 2: he mentioned Me too, going way too far right right,

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Speaker 2: and then near's I came across another thread. Jake, who

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Speaker 2: is a professor of classics at a university, says, I'm

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Speaker 2: fifty three years old. The last four years I'm out

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Speaker 2: to the most repressive totalitarian era I've ever lived through.

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Speaker 2: This guy's in academia, so he believe me, he knows

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Speaker 2: what he's talking about, and he quotes a thinker Noem Dorman.

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Speaker 2: If the general atmosphere of fear we live in as

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Speaker 2: people who want to speak and live freely, if all

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Speaker 2: that change in American society had the fingerprints of a

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Speaker 2: particular leader on it, that leader would be a fascist.

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Speaker 2: And then they go into a fair amount of detail

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Speaker 2: about the fact that, as he says, it was not

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Speaker 2: a fascist leader, but a society wide culture of totalitarian

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Speaker 2: intolerance that made me watch my words like a hawk

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Speaker 2: for half a decade. It was fear of retaliation from

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Speaker 2: the left that made me lay awake at night, terrified

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Speaker 2: that a student might have misinterpreted something that I said

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Speaker 2: in class and initi initiated a cancelation campaign against me.

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Speaker 2: It was not a fascist leader, but left doing culture

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Speaker 2: of retribution in the face of which tenured faculty and

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Speaker 2: college administrators, coward wielded by eighteen year olds that ended

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Speaker 2: the career of a colleague of mine because she read

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Speaker 2: out loud a word in an anti racist comic book. Yes, students,

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Speaker 2: with the complicity of an entire college staffed with cowards

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Speaker 2: whose fear was nonetheless rational, actually ended her career for

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Speaker 2: reading an anti racist comic book. She must have said

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Speaker 2: n word, even though it was in an anti racist book.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It was not a fascist leader, but a left wing

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Speaker 2: culture of fear that generated countless whispers among faculty in

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Speaker 2: the halls of my college and others. Every professor afraid

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Speaker 2: to tell any but their most trusted colleagues about how

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Speaker 2: students had stood up in class to accuse them of

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Speaker 2: traumatizing or harming them for teaching basic facts or failing

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Speaker 2: to teach the subject from the now mandatory ideological perspective

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Speaker 2: of Afro pessimism, or of teaching material unobjectionable just the

544
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Speaker 2: year before that was now inherently white supremacist. And he

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Speaker 2: goes on quite eloquently about the maoist culture on college campuses. Well,

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Speaker 2: that ain't over, like you said, it's the end of

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Speaker 2: the beginning or beginning of the end or whatever it is. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and that ain't over on the college campuses.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But and once in a while, I admit I fail

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Speaker 2: to give the American people enough credit for noticing what

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Speaker 2: I'm noticing. Right. I'm shocked, happily shocked that people were

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Speaker 2: onto this, and they might not use the fancy words,

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Speaker 2: but they understood, Wait a minute, there's a force in

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Speaker 2: our society that's making it impossible to disagree or you

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Speaker 2: get punished. And they knew in their hearts. Even if

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Speaker 2: again they didn't know the terminology, they knew that was

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Speaker 2: ugly and wrong and unfreaking American. Nuff said. Quick word

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Speaker 2: from our friends at Warrior Foundation Freedom Station. We've been

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Speaker 2: talking about them for years, the wonderful work they do

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Speaker 2: for our warriors when they need it most, including at

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Speaker 2: holiday time, sending them home to be with their loved ones. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: This Veterans Day Week, Warrior Foundation's gonna hopefully raise a

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Speaker 2: bunch of money with your help to help fly our

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Speaker 2: heroes at home for the holidays, ill and injured Marine

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Speaker 2: soldiers and sailors home for the holidays, and you can help.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: This year, they're building their third transitional housing property designed

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Speaker 2: to craft a sense of community from recovery and cultivate

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Speaker 2: independence for our warriors, and big part of that is

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Speaker 2: making sure they're home with mom, Dad, bro, and.

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Speaker 1: Sis at the holidays.

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Speaker 2: Consider making a donation this week at Warrior Foundation dot

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Speaker 2: org during their annual giveth on. Yep, just go to

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Speaker 2: Warrior Foundation dot org. The official giveth on is Thursday,

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Speaker 2: but I imagine they accept money pretty much any time. Sure

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Speaker 2: and make sure you get the name right. It's Warrior

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Speaker 2: Foundation dot org. Warrior Foundation dot org. So Trump is

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Speaker 2: starting to appoint cabinet members, which are interesting look into

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Speaker 2: what the administration is going to be like. But one

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Speaker 2: of the big Trump court cases has had a major

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Speaker 2: development today we can tell you about. Also, some people

583
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Speaker 2: are calling this the worst answer in the history of Jeopardy.

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Speaker 2: That's a high bar or a low bar, depending on

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Speaker 2: how you look at it. We'll have you listen and

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Speaker 2: see what you think.

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned.

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Speaker 2: So I'm starting we are very suspicious of a lot

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Speaker 2: of c that go viral that the people did it

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Speaker 2: on purpose. You know, you slipped on the ice and

591
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Speaker 2: you had somebody there with a phone and you I

592
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Speaker 2: don't know if you just enjoy the clicks, or you

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Speaker 2: think you're going to become an influencer, or what I'm

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Speaker 2: wondering about Jeopardy? Now? Are there really this many stupid

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Speaker 2: people around? Or has Jeopardy figured out that if you

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Speaker 2: have somebody make a Wheel of Fortune? I'm sorry, I

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Speaker 2: got the wrong game whee intellectually completely different games. Wheel

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Speaker 2: of Fortune has figured out that if you have somebody

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Speaker 2: make a really really stupid guess, it goes viral and

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Speaker 2: you get more attention for your show. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you ahead of time that the

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Speaker 2: solved puzzle. First of all, like every letter was up there,

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Speaker 2: but like two, I mean it was basically the phrase

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Speaker 2: was up there, and treat yourself to a round of

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Speaker 2: applause is the correct answer. And Ryan Seacrest sets it

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Speaker 2: up here he's the new host. I'd forgotten that Ryan Seacrest,

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Speaker 2: who doesn't have enough money and enjoys being on TV.

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Speaker 2: I guess the host of Wheel of Fortune. Listen to

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Speaker 2: how a round of applause? Treat yourself to a round

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Speaker 2: of applause. Here we go, six.

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Speaker 1: Couple of f's.

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Speaker 2: I like to buy you, well, you're gonna get three US.

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Speaker 1: I like to solve the puzzle.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's hear it. Treat yourself a round of sausage.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, that's not it, and then the next person

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Speaker 2: solves it because it's all there. But like one letter,

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Speaker 2: I do enjoy a round of sausage.

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Speaker 1: You know what.

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Speaker 2: I might answered that way too, It had been on

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Speaker 2: my mind. I don't need applause, I need sausage. Oh god.

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Speaker 2: I was chatting with a buddy of mine about the

622
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Speaker 2: escaped monkeys in South Carolina day and he saw news

623
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Speaker 2: report that involves some local who is out hunting and

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Speaker 2: saw some monkeys.

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Speaker 1: Guy with a fairly thick accent.

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Speaker 2: I guess, And my buddy said, and he's not like

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Speaker 2: super a media guy, but he said, you could tell

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Speaker 2: the guy was really laying.

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Speaker 1: It on sick.

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Speaker 2: He was trying to go viral. Oh so, so you

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Speaker 2: know that's the whole I couldn't believe what I saw.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's purposely outrageous.

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Speaker 2: I saw the monkeys over there, and I just know

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Speaker 2: that they're planning to take over the state.

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Speaker 1: Show many monkeys? How many monkeys? He's enough? Right, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you're outrageous, right.

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Speaker 2: So the people that do that is it just like

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Speaker 2: the gratification of getting a thousand likes just among you know,

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Speaker 2: or or are they hoping to become up an influencer

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Speaker 2: or something A.

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Speaker 1: Brand, A brand, I guess.

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Speaker 2: I mean, is there nothing join me? I don't know,

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Speaker 2: because I got we got this radio show, so I get.

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Speaker 1: A tremendous amount of gratification from that.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know what it would be like to

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Speaker 2: not have that and then all of a sudden have

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Speaker 2: something funny on Instagram and you get two thousand people

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Speaker 2: see it. Maybe it's very, very pretty heady, it's a

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Speaker 2: Russia cool Maybe maybe we'll talk about this more later.

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Speaker 2: But Trump is starting to fill out his cabinet. I

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Speaker 2: feel like it's faster than administrations have done in the past.

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Speaker 2: Have you heard anything about that. I mean, we're at

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Speaker 2: a week today, fast and public.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But he named Marco Rubio is going to be a

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Speaker 2: Secretary of State, which is I'm happy about, other than

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Speaker 2: some of the hedging Rubio is done on Ukraine lately.

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Speaker 2: I have a feeling Rubio was angling for this job

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Speaker 2: knew where Trump was on it. Although I saw a

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Speaker 2: clip from just the other day. This is like two

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Speaker 2: days ago. Rubio was interviewed and they got on the

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Speaker 2: topic of Ukraine and he said, look, it's a stalemate

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Speaker 2: and there's no breaking it being a stalemate. He said,

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Speaker 2: the Biden administration, if they were honest with you, what

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Speaker 2: they're saying behind the scenes is this is a stalemate.

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Speaker 2: Ukraine is not getting that land back. That was the

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Speaker 2: argument I was just about to jump in with. So

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Speaker 2: how are you going to turn the tide without this point,

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Speaker 2: without fully getting invested in the war which nobody's in.

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Speaker 1: Favor of, right right?

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Speaker 2: Could it be Trump comes up with a truly creative

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Speaker 2: solution that grants some of what Putin needs. Warm water, port,

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Speaker 2: blah blah blah. We'll have to see, but continuing on

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Speaker 2: the current plan doesn't seem to make any sense. The

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Speaker 2: Rubio is a heck of a China Hawk, and I

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Speaker 2: like that from our new Secretary of State Armstrong and

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Speaker 2: Getty