Speaker 1: Hey, Hey, Hey, it's Devin Simone.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I'm Davon Rogers and this is MTV's official
Speaker 2: Charlie podcast.
Speaker 3: We're at Yes, it is a girl.
Speaker 1: You should just call this the Godfather episode, right, Girl?
Speaker 1: They gonna be on you this episode.
Speaker 3: It wasn't filled with as much drama, but it was
Speaker 3: interesting seeing the dynamic shift a little bit. So we
Speaker 3: had the challenge, we all fall down, and what was
Speaker 3: interesting about that is they were all divided in teams
Speaker 3: of four, but we saw Kylin and Mariah Sart to
Speaker 3: question Michelle the aka Queen be the godfather of the game,
Speaker 3: and I feel like that's the first time that we've
Speaker 3: seen it this season. The winners of that challenge end
Speaker 3: up being ed Hiracio, Zara, and Berna Go Team Go.
Speaker 3: Then they vote in Colleen. Colleen just can't catch a break. Oh,
Speaker 3: she can't catch a break.
Speaker 1: And then the house votes in Raven and Raven can't
Speaker 1: catch a break either.
Speaker 3: Dang girls, I'm sorry. Then we have the draw and
Speaker 3: we get the mercenary Kara Maria. Now, first of all,
Speaker 3: you know she loves pulling the random cards in when
Speaker 3: it comes to the draw.
Speaker 1: Because when we were on free agents.
Speaker 3: That girl always pulled the skull and crossbones, which is
Speaker 3: the one card you never wanted to pull. But this
Speaker 3: time it seemed like carl Maria was coming in truely
Speaker 3: to cause chaos. She had all sorts of things to say,
Speaker 3: she had a mission. Sure enough, she pulled Chaos, which
Speaker 3: means she got to pick anyone that didn't win, any
Speaker 3: girl to come down and compete against.
Speaker 1: And who did she pick?
Speaker 3: She picked, well, she called her orange shirt, but she
Speaker 3: picked Michelle, all right, She picked Michelle to come down.
Speaker 3: Michelle looks terrified and shocked because at this point Michelle
Speaker 3: has been able to keep her hands clean and have
Speaker 3: everyone else doing her dirty work this whole time. Now
Speaker 3: she's got to go in and get messy. It's a
Speaker 3: pretty heavy matchup because Carl Maria is an icon for
Speaker 3: a reason. Yeah, but ultimately we did elimination Blockhead, which
Speaker 3: turned out to be a giant puzzle. I mean, these
Speaker 3: are some heavy, heavy pieces, but it's a puzzle at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, and the winner, winner Chicken
Speaker 3: Dinner went to our girl, Michelle. Oh oh didn't see
Speaker 3: that coming, especially because Carr was talking a whole lot
Speaker 3: of smacks.
Speaker 4: Car I was showing out.
Speaker 3: She was talking a whole lot of smack. Also, it
Speaker 3: was there was two pieces. One the producers who had
Speaker 3: her when she was leaving, I don't know if you
Speaker 3: saw that, she did this head turn and her side
Speaker 3: profile car just glistening and gloing as she does like
Speaker 3: face card doesn't climb. But then when she was first
Speaker 3: going into the arena, they also had her do this
Speaker 3: slow head turn. It was giving chucky vibes. I don't
Speaker 3: know what we're doing on that one. It was crazy.
Speaker 3: But her exit side turn, she was looking like just
Speaker 3: absolute glowing perfection. Anyway, Car loses, Michelle comes back into
Speaker 3: the house bigger, better, and arguably stronger than ever day.
Speaker 3: It was an episode to remember, who are you giving
Speaker 3: your gold star and time out to this week?
Speaker 2: Okay, so my goal star and my timeout are gonna
Speaker 2: go to the same person, Okay, and that is Kara.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give her my goal star because baby girl
Speaker 2: came in with a mission.
Speaker 4: Do you understand me? She came in with a mission,
Speaker 4: and I love that.
Speaker 2: She told Raven and Colleen, oh, y'all down, Okay, cool,
Speaker 2: y'all take a break.
Speaker 4: Go ahead and take a break. I'm gonna let y'all breathe, ma'am,
Speaker 4: you seem to be the one in charge.
Speaker 2: And then she said this was for Polly. She came
Speaker 2: in here on a mission for her man. Okay, you
Speaker 2: better fight for your man. She came in here to
Speaker 2: take down somebody for her man. And so I thought
Speaker 2: it was really, really good. She talked that talk.
Speaker 4: She got me.
Speaker 2: Shelled down there. And then this is where I gotta
Speaker 2: put my girl in time out.
Speaker 4: Because maybe you lost.
Speaker 2: You did all of that and then you lost. And
Speaker 2: this was Carra's game to win. Like you come in
Speaker 2: with these heavy blocks. She does this for breakfast, lunch,
Speaker 2: and dinner. This is what Cara does. Push stuff around CrossFit.
Speaker 2: This is her thing. But that's why I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: The equalizer of that puzzle then muscles don't know nothing.
Speaker 2: That puzzle come into play and you gotta be ready.
Speaker 4: And oh, oh my girl.
Speaker 1: It didn't even seem like she was moving the pieces
Speaker 1: that much.
Speaker 3: I feel like what we're learning this season when it
Speaker 3: comes to mercenaries is that there actually is an advantage
Speaker 3: to being immersed in the game because some of the
Speaker 3: people that have come that we know or heavy hitters
Speaker 3: like a Laurel like a car and still ultimately aren't.
Speaker 1: Coming home with the w.
Speaker 3: I feel like they seem maybe a little off their
Speaker 3: game because you're flying in. You know, you probably were
Speaker 3: on your laptop two hours ago or a couple of
Speaker 3: market into your accountant doing whatever, and then you got
Speaker 3: to have your head in the game. And it's really
Speaker 3: hard to like just fully switch on like that and
Speaker 3: switch off. It's got to be that because otherwise I'd
Speaker 3: be like those people were living in the house.
Speaker 1: There's no way they'd be taken out.
Speaker 4: But we also noticed that they both got flustered.
Speaker 5: Though.
Speaker 2: When it comes to Carra and Laurel, they both got flustered,
Speaker 2: and I think it was the pressure.
Speaker 4: The pressure, absolutely not.
Speaker 5: I think it was.
Speaker 2: A pressure of knowing that they had to come in
Speaker 2: here and they had to win because of the title
Speaker 2: they were coming in with. You know what I mean,
Speaker 2: I can't be the one to lose to y'all. And
Speaker 2: that just shows what they think of the cast, don't underte.
Speaker 3: Baby, Yeah, I guess. Yeah, that's especially when you talk
Speaker 3: to back. If you're gonna talk the talk, you better
Speaker 3: at least we had to do the.
Speaker 1: Hop or something.
Speaker 3: You can't walk the Walk Darrell put Drell in that
Speaker 3: categor to My nominees for gold Star and Timeout are
Speaker 3: the same. So my nominees for gold Star are Kara
Speaker 3: for all the reasons that you mentioned. She came in
Speaker 3: talking the talk. I love that she came in to
Speaker 3: cause chaos and she did. I love that she didn't
Speaker 3: hold back like she was leaning into her villain role here,
Speaker 3: and she looked fabulous. Love that. Also, my nominees for
Speaker 3: gold Star are Michelle because she is ultimately I've been
Speaker 3: calling her this sort of the godfather of this season,
Speaker 3: a big switch up from what we saw and her
Speaker 3: gameplay and ride her dies, and she's been able to
Speaker 3: get a lot of people to do sort of her
Speaker 3: dirty worker. She's been able to keep her hands clean.
Speaker 3: My winner for gold Star is actually Michelle because she
Speaker 3: went down and did what needed to be done. And
Speaker 3: I can't imagine the surprise when you really think, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm safe.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not going in today. I'm chilling.
Speaker 3: You know, I've just been napping, put on a little
Speaker 3: lip glass, showed up at the arena, said what's up
Speaker 3: to TJ? You know, analyzed his outfit, and then all
Speaker 3: of a sudden your name gets called and you've got
Speaker 3: to go down there against an icon. Shelle turned it
Speaker 3: on and did what needed to be done. So she
Speaker 3: gets my gold star for the Time Out. The nominees
Speaker 3: are Michelle because she was terrified to go down there
Speaker 3: and because she had that freak out when they called
Speaker 3: into question her loyalty. Now I understand nobody wants me questioned,
Speaker 3: but I feel like she went from zero to a
Speaker 3: thousand quickly, and it just seemed like a lot when
Speaker 3: they had a ballid question and if she felt like
Speaker 3: she really wasn't going to throw it, then I would
Speaker 3: just be like, nah, fool, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Like I threw that riled up yeah for like what
Speaker 3: it was. So she gets my nominee nomination for Time Out,
Speaker 3: and then Kara gets my nomination because while she talked
Speaker 3: the top, that girl just sat down.
Speaker 1: She didn't walk.
Speaker 3: She didn't walk the walk, she didn't hop, skip jump,
Speaker 3: she she she just sat down.
Speaker 1: So my time out for the week is gonna have
Speaker 1: to go to Kara. I get it.
Speaker 3: It's a disadvantage, and I appreciate how gracious she was. Ultimately,
Speaker 3: when Michelle won, I thought that was beautiful to see.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm glad for Michelle, but I feel like
Speaker 3: it also would be really cool to see Kara.
Speaker 2: Especially after being gone for so long, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. Yeah, to come back to that wind would
Speaker 2: have been great.
Speaker 4: But shout out to Michelle.
Speaker 3: You did that, Yes she did, Yes she didn't. Now,
Speaker 3: I mean if the Godfather was strong already push push,
Speaker 3: she's now coming in that house full.
Speaker 1: I know I would, but you I mean, like you
Speaker 1: just I mean.
Speaker 3: She was able to like get people to do stuff
Speaker 3: without backing it up, and now she just backed it
Speaker 3: up tenfold, like.
Speaker 4: They were carrying her away like she was the queen
Speaker 4: or she Ba.
Speaker 3: Right, Yes, I expect she literally called herself the Queen
Speaker 3: bee anyway, So I expect to see.
Speaker 1: Her running things.
Speaker 3: And what's cool is not only do we have we
Speaker 3: don't have to just wait till next week to see
Speaker 3: what happens.
Speaker 1: Because we've got her on the podcast today, So.
Speaker 3: You are going to ask her all the questions and
Speaker 3: talk about all the things. And she even tells us
Speaker 3: about her thoughts or feelings about coming on the podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is I was actually surprised by that.
Speaker 3: I blame y'all right, right, right, I'm surprised, man, I
Speaker 3: was like, wait what. But it's a good conversation and
Speaker 3: so much fun, and I'm glad we get to talk
Speaker 3: to the Godfather. So I don't know what that accent was.
Speaker 3: So grab a snack, do your thing. You guys are
Speaker 3: not going to want to miss this. We're talking to
Speaker 3: Survivor winner. Yeah all right, and Tom holland faith Michelle
Speaker 3: Fitzgerald right after this, Yeah all right. Now you knew
Speaker 3: that we had to do it to day like we
Speaker 3: had we had to get I like to call her
Speaker 3: the Godfather because I feel like this season that is
Speaker 3: very much what she is. She is running things behind
Speaker 3: the scenes, in front of the scenes, on the side
Speaker 3: of thenes.
Speaker 1: So please give a big.
Speaker 3: Round of applause and welcome the fabulous Godfather. Michelle Fitzgerald.
Speaker 5: Hi, Michelle, Hi, I've never seen that movie.
Speaker 1: It's you. It's giving you well.
Speaker 2: According to Michelle, she is the queen Bee of the
Speaker 2: worker Bee, so that too, like the Queen Bee of I.
Speaker 5: Was cringing, so nobody cringes harder watching myself back than myself.
Speaker 3: I'm like, how would you say you're playing the game? Like,
Speaker 3: how would you rate your gameplay up to this point
Speaker 3: this season.
Speaker 5: You know, I was tentative to go on this season
Speaker 5: in general because I had just gotten off the last one.
Speaker 5: I think it's weird because when I went in, my
Speaker 5: entire mindset was like, I'm just gonna relax. I was
Speaker 5: so stressed out with like the Hopper situation last season
Speaker 5: that emotionally I didn't have it in me to like
Speaker 5: feel like I could play really hard, which is why
Speaker 5: I just decided to be like, hey, here's my group.
Speaker 6: I'm just gonna be like Worre sticking to this.
Speaker 5: And I really was trying to make it as simple
Speaker 5: as possible for myself, so I didn't emotionally go through
Speaker 5: what I went through last season.
Speaker 3: So for you to establish such a strong alliance, did
Speaker 3: you make some calls beforehand? And if so, who were
Speaker 3: you speaking with? Who did you initially talk to before
Speaker 3: coming into the house.
Speaker 5: So I actually agreed to go on the show about
Speaker 5: two days prior to going on the show. Wow, I
Speaker 5: only had about a week and a half between filming,
Speaker 5: and so I had said no, and I was at
Speaker 5: my parents and I was talking to my brother, and
Speaker 5: you know, he has some brain injuries and stuff, and
Speaker 5: so I think for my family a lot of times,
Speaker 5: watching it back is like a bright spot in like
Speaker 5: a situation that can be a little bit challenging at home.
Speaker 5: So he was like, Michelle, I really want you to
Speaker 5: I really think you should go do it. I really
Speaker 5: want you to go do it. And I called them
Speaker 5: up and I was like, hey, I know it's two
Speaker 5: days prior, but like I have all the medical stuff already,
Speaker 5: you know, already set up to do it, Like if
Speaker 5: you guys will have me, then then I'll do it.
Speaker 6: So it didn't leave a lot of time.
Speaker 5: To do the sort of maybe like the pregaming that
Speaker 5: would traditionally go down. But yeah, then real, like my
Speaker 5: friendships in this house, aren't somebody that like, I don't
Speaker 5: need to call them be like hey, let's set up
Speaker 5: a three game alliance. I talked to these people really
Speaker 5: regularly outside of it. Olivia comes in, stays for a
Speaker 5: week at my house. I talked to Mariah all the time.
Speaker 5: I text Corey every single day. Ed has vacation with
Speaker 5: me and my family, Like these are my friends actually
Speaker 5: like all stuff with me, and so I don't I
Speaker 5: don't really need to be like, hey, like a lot
Speaker 5: of them I tell I told Mariah, I told Corey,
Speaker 5: Jay and Olivia that was it, ok. And most of
Speaker 5: it they were trying to talk me into going was
Speaker 5: a lot of like the conversations that I was having
Speaker 5: prior because I was like, I'm I'm spend I.
Speaker 4: Have to know with all of these dare I say
Speaker 4: strong personalities.
Speaker 2: With all of these these these these humans, right, with
Speaker 2: all of these humans that you are connected to and
Speaker 2: that are playing this game, how is it that you
Speaker 2: managed to become the conductor of the tin because that's
Speaker 2: exactly who you are this season?
Speaker 4: You are the conductor of the trains. I don't are
Speaker 4: that what we see?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think that that.
Speaker 5: Was an intention of mine at all. Like I think
Speaker 5: it was just more like I, I don't know, people
Speaker 5: would just come and ask my opinion on things, and
Speaker 5: you know, obviously I think that because I have certain
Speaker 5: people that I want to make sure that they're okay,
Speaker 5: I end up sometimes, like you know, pushing for certain
Speaker 5: names over others. But it wasn't really my intention to
Speaker 5: kind of step into a role of like leadership at all.
Speaker 5: It's actually something I in my regular life, I'm definitely
Speaker 5: very passive I'm pretty data, so like it's not. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's it's interesting to watch back because it's not something
Speaker 5: that even on all my Survivor seasons, even the one
Speaker 5: that I won, I was never somebody who had any
Speaker 5: power or like even wanted to have any power.
Speaker 3: So, at what point in this game did you realize
Speaker 3: the so that, by your own words, you were the
Speaker 3: queen Bee and the others were the worker bees? Like
Speaker 3: when did you start to realize, oh, wow, I'm kind
Speaker 3: of Jay and I are kind of running this game.
Speaker 6: Not I hate that so much.
Speaker 5: I think that it was coming from like hearing people
Speaker 5: like Erassio and Kylon and Colleen. You know, the feedback
Speaker 5: I was getting was like like sort of like we
Speaker 5: need to cut off the head of the snake sort
Speaker 5: of thing.
Speaker 6: So I think just based on their perception.
Speaker 5: It was making me feel like that was what was
Speaker 5: going on more so than like it was me actively
Speaker 5: trying to be like the queen Bee or whatever the
Speaker 5: quote is. If I could literally reach into production and
Speaker 5: strike it out myself, I would.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, but you didn't lie. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 2: like you told a lie. You didn't lie, because that's
Speaker 2: pretty much how you're being viewed, and you use the
Speaker 2: analogy of the head of the snake because I've used
Speaker 2: that in reference to you on this podcast before.
Speaker 4: I'm like, she's the hit Who're gonna cut her off?
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I do want to know in this game, everyone has
Speaker 2: their one, their their number one, and their number two.
Speaker 2: We know that Jay is your number one guy. I
Speaker 2: want to hear from you, who is your number one
Speaker 2: girl in this game?
Speaker 5: Mariah pretty much was always the person. So I knew
Speaker 5: that I wanted to be with Olivia, Mariah and Nourice.
Speaker 5: Olivia and Nourie were really close. And even though you know,
Speaker 5: Olivia comes and she stayed with me, and I'm really
Speaker 5: close with Olivia, I knew that they were always going
Speaker 5: to have each other's backs more than mine. So for me,
Speaker 5: Mariah was sort of that that person for me. But
Speaker 5: then I also come in with this relationship with Burna,
Speaker 5: and we obviously have our own, you know, our own situation.
Speaker 3: Yes, please tell us about that, because all we see
Speaker 3: is her getting It seems like she's constantly really hurt
Speaker 3: by decisions that you make in the game, but we don't.
Speaker 1: I feel like, as if.
Speaker 3: You were we don't have a full or even a
Speaker 3: partial understanding of the depths of you all's friendship or
Speaker 3: relationship ship outside of this house. So you mentioned all
Speaker 3: the other people that come and stay with you vacation
Speaker 3: to them, what is your dynamic in relationship with Berna
Speaker 3: to the point that she feels like she should be
Speaker 3: your number one and that she literally called you, she
Speaker 3: called you her en in this episode.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 6: I think.
Speaker 5: Me and Berna played Spy's Eyes and Allies together, and
Speaker 5: you know during that time, I mean we would check
Speaker 5: in with each other whatever. Actually, some shit went down
Speaker 5: with me and Amanda and Ashley at one point and
Speaker 5: I kind of had said something on a podcast or
Speaker 5: something like that, kind of shading Berna, and she was
Speaker 5: really really mad at me, and you know, after that point,
Speaker 5: I called her. We talked it through, and like I
Speaker 5: started to understand sort of like that she's she comes
Speaker 5: off sometimes really like like intense, but beneath that as
Speaker 5: somebody who's like really sensitive and she has a lot
Speaker 5: going on and so like emotionally, I felt like she
Speaker 5: needed me a lot during next season for like her
Speaker 5: she was kind of going through some stuff like emotionally
Speaker 5: that yeah, I just felt like she like needed, she
Speaker 5: like needed some support, and that's really I was trying
Speaker 5: to be a friend to her, but I felt really
Speaker 5: pulled in a lot of direction.
Speaker 3: So yeah, let's let's take it back for a minute
Speaker 3: and let's talk about Can I say something really quick?
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course.
Speaker 5: I So I haven't listened to podcasts, but I've heard
Speaker 5: that you guys have been shading me a bit on
Speaker 5: the podcast.
Speaker 6: Is this true?
Speaker 3: No, I think I think you've I've called you the godfather.
Speaker 3: I think if look, I will admittedly if anything happens
Speaker 3: in an episode, we assess it in said episode, and
Speaker 3: then I forget it for next episode.
Speaker 6: So I was really tentative to come on because I
Speaker 6: was like, you know.
Speaker 5: I I am trying to be more and more active
Speaker 5: participant in my mental health, and like, you know, I
Speaker 5: think sometimes I'm like, why would I put myself in
Speaker 5: a situation where I feel like I'm defensive or like whatever.
Speaker 6: So I was kind of tentative to come on here.
Speaker 6: If I'm being honest with.
Speaker 1: You, we could feel yeah, we could totally feel that.
Speaker 2: Yeah we can send yeah, yeah, yea, yeah, it's very apparent.
Speaker 2: What did you hear because like I told you, the
Speaker 2: most that I think I've said about you, and I
Speaker 2: just said it was I call you the head of
Speaker 2: the snake, And I was wondering why no one tried
Speaker 2: to like get.
Speaker 1: You out because you're because running every.
Speaker 4: Running the game. But I mean, what did you hear?
Speaker 4: Because I mean, you know me, I'm a straight shooter.
Speaker 5: Oh if it was anything in particular, But people side
Speaker 5: on my people first citing my I DMS like did
Speaker 5: you see this?
Speaker 6: Like or did you listen to this?
Speaker 5: Because I think they don't like you, And I was like,
Speaker 5: I just I mean, not everybody else to like everybody whatever.
Speaker 5: But obviously, like I'm like, okay, do I put myself
Speaker 5: in a situation on this podcast with two people who
Speaker 5: don't talk with me.
Speaker 3: But Michelle, you can always direct message, you can always
Speaker 3: send a text. We are super transparent. I have never
Speaker 3: not liked you and my stands for the show as
Speaker 3: a whole. The most part is like the way some
Speaker 3: one plays the game is how they play the game,
Speaker 3: and I may not like that, but that's not a
Speaker 3: reflection of what I think of them as a person,
Speaker 3: because it's the game and it's like very different. So
Speaker 3: it's we give everyone kind of like space. If anything
Speaker 3: we talked about, we've definitely shaded Callum because we don't
Speaker 3: love how that went down. We don't love that you
Speaker 3: didn't know, and we've expressed everyone knows that you didn't know,
Speaker 3: and we've asked other guests that have come on. It
Speaker 3: seemed no one in the house new. We definitely don't
Speaker 3: love that. We definitely were screaming to you through the ether.
Speaker 3: Although I know we take this after it's filmed, of
Speaker 3: like Michelle please like please.
Speaker 1: Stop with him, but it's certainly been no shade.
Speaker 3: Also, anyone, if anyone ever sends you that demigain a,
Speaker 3: you can always come to us, but do ask them
Speaker 3: to quote it, because them saying they think we don't
Speaker 3: like you, but not but not saying what is a
Speaker 3: very different than what.
Speaker 5: I just wanted to address it because I can feel
Speaker 5: myself be tense when I'm like and I don't that.
Speaker 5: Obviously that's not going to get the best results. So
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, let me just confront it head on, yeah,
Speaker 5: rather than me sitting here and be defensive this entire episode.
Speaker 5: So good.
Speaker 1: Well, we appreciate You're glad you did that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're glad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and because it was we definitely felt but I mean,
Speaker 2: and you know me, outside of this, you could easily
Speaker 2: you know how.
Speaker 5: It's not that easy, Like it's intimidating.
Speaker 6: And also you don't want to be somebody.
Speaker 5: Who was like, do you guys like me?
Speaker 6: Like, that's not it.
Speaker 5: I just I just was wondering whether I should put
Speaker 5: myself in a position to come on knowing that you
Speaker 5: know what I mean totally.
Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing too, is I think because also
Speaker 3: we do have you know, we just we just talked,
Speaker 3: we asked questions and we really do try to do
Speaker 3: a fair space of giving people space and again separating
Speaker 3: that like it's gameplay versus the person. And also what's
Speaker 3: not to like about this? I am personally someone who
Speaker 3: likes to play a game where if I don't have
Speaker 3: to go to elimination, I don't and if I can,
Speaker 3: you know, if I'm cool with people in the house, great.
Speaker 3: So there's from a gameplay perspective, I think you're doing
Speaker 3: a brilliant job. I didn't understand why so many people
Speaker 3: seemed afraid or were like even burn and I think
Speaker 3: we spoke to Burne about this.
Speaker 1: You know, she's like, Michelle's my.
Speaker 3: Number one, number one, but it didn't seem equal, like
Speaker 3: there's too many numbers, right, So it's like that can't
Speaker 3: be And so for that, it's sort of like, how
Speaker 3: are people so loyal when they know their number three
Speaker 3: or two?
Speaker 1: Whatever?
Speaker 3: Like on the thing that didn't make sense. But it's
Speaker 3: still not a criticism to you. It's a criticism to
Speaker 3: them because they've opted into that.
Speaker 6: I think too, like.
Speaker 1: It, okay.
Speaker 6: So it's like you go to.
Speaker 5: Try to figure out a good analogy for this situation,
Speaker 5: like ed Okay, Like for example, I ed openly would no,
Speaker 5: he's not my number one whatever, but I probably still
Speaker 5: am the closest person to him out of everybody else.
Speaker 1: In the castle. I get what you're saying.
Speaker 5: I had a relationship with men well, me and himy
Speaker 5: cooked up on spies, eyes and allies.
Speaker 6: Obviously me and him are going.
Speaker 5: To be closer than him and anybody else because of
Speaker 5: that relationship.
Speaker 6: So like, so I think that despite the fact.
Speaker 5: That maybe they're not my number one, I'm still the
Speaker 5: closest person that they have based on.
Speaker 3: Right, So the casting, but I mean, it seems to
Speaker 3: be working out well for you. And one thing I
Speaker 3: have I do not remember that I said on the podcast,
Speaker 3: and I also think I tweeted about it is at
Speaker 3: least now I know some stuff is coming up in
Speaker 3: future episodes. Don't give any spoilers, but at least in
Speaker 3: the previous episodes, we've seen the way you and Jay
Speaker 3: work so well together.
Speaker 1: I have said that I.
Speaker 3: Feel like I wish and people have agreed in the
Speaker 3: tweets from listening about I was like, I don't know, I.
Speaker 1: Just feel like if we could figure.
Speaker 3: Out how to get that bond back. I know they're
Speaker 3: just friends now, but I don't know. It just you
Speaker 3: two seem to work very well to each other with
Speaker 3: each other up until point.
Speaker 1: So know that is floating.
Speaker 7: Out what you know what? Okay, me and Jay obviously
Speaker 7: we used to date in the day. That's how we
Speaker 7: ended up on Bride our Dies together, and we.
Speaker 5: Were like we were like drinking a lot of tequila fighting.
Speaker 1: We were just know, we don't want that, Yeah, we
Speaker 1: don't want any of that.
Speaker 6: But we went on Ride our Dies.
Speaker 5: I was like my parents were like, oh fuck, you're
Speaker 5: gonna be with Jay, Like this is going to be
Speaker 5: probably really bad, and it just took the opposite direction.
Speaker 5: You know, we've both grown so much since. Yeah, because
Speaker 5: we know.
Speaker 6: Each other so well.
Speaker 5: It's just like I know what ticks him off, you
Speaker 5: know what ticks me off, you know, and we have
Speaker 5: a pretty good open line of communication.
Speaker 3: So like it's, yeah, we see that, Like that's the
Speaker 3: thing that we see. And you guys, like remember that
Speaker 3: challenge that involved the cars, right, like directing together, like
Speaker 3: the way obviously it was a whole team thing, but
Speaker 3: just seeing the way you two work together and communicate
Speaker 3: as leaders was just lovely to see. And so I
Speaker 3: know you guys were toxic apparently together back in the day.
Speaker 3: But it sounds like you're both grown. I'm just saying
Speaker 3: it sounds like you both grown.
Speaker 5: But Day has a girlfriend. I love her, so I'll
Speaker 5: let her.
Speaker 1: Okay, no disrespect. Okay, so notice girlfriend and.
Speaker 5: He can keep his regular girlfriend. You know.
Speaker 1: I like it? No, I like it.
Speaker 4: I like it.
Speaker 3: Now speaking of challenge, girlfriend, boyfriend, can you walk in
Speaker 3: this love story of Callums girl? First of all, when
Speaker 3: did you find out that he had a girlfriend?
Speaker 6: And y'all found out episode one?
Speaker 1: Are you serious you didn't even know after you were
Speaker 1: done filming? No, nobody told you what.
Speaker 5: I had no idea. I found out when the episode aired.
Speaker 1: Stop.
Speaker 5: Yeah, seriously, some people from podcasts had reached out, like
Speaker 5: did you know Calum had a girlfriend? I was like what, So, yeah, Wow,
Speaker 5: it was really really hard.
Speaker 3: Were you guys still talk keeping in touch up until
Speaker 3: that point at all? Or had you gone cold turkey
Speaker 3: for conversation after you after he got eliminated.
Speaker 5: So basically the way it went down, Like, you know,
Speaker 5: I got home and I had been under the expectation
Speaker 5: that like as soon as I got out with the
Speaker 5: texting message, I was like calling for this boy.
Speaker 1: You guys, Yeah, it seemed like it totally.
Speaker 5: And I get back and I opened my WhatsApp and
Speaker 5: he had messaged me all this lovey w stuff. And
Speaker 5: then one day he messaged me this brick of a
Speaker 5: text being like I don't think this is ever gonna
Speaker 5: work out whatever. I'm like, okay, I call him. He
Speaker 5: doesn't answer me for four days. I'm like, bet this
Speaker 5: guy sucks. Yeah, he finally answers and I'm.
Speaker 6: Like, screw you, dude.
Speaker 5: Like I am going through, like you know, just getting
Speaker 5: off the show. I'm like feeling really emotionally drained. Right now,
Speaker 5: and I could have used your support. I don't want
Speaker 5: to fucking talk to you anymore, you know, setting a boundary.
Speaker 5: He's like, no, no, no, please, let's I'm sorry, I'm sorry
Speaker 5: I didn't step up. Let's still talk whatever. I was like,
Speaker 5: I'll keep you here, but keep you at an arms distance.
Speaker 6: Rights still flirting with.
Speaker 5: Me, texting me, doing all this stuff. And when I
Speaker 5: saw the episode, I called him, and I called him
Speaker 5: right away, and I was like, excuse me, Like, how
Speaker 5: fucking dare you like hoodwink me this entire seat? And
Speaker 5: were you using me? I, you know, ship like personal
Speaker 5: stuff about me?
Speaker 6: Why do it?
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I.
Speaker 5: Can't even wrap my head around why you would go
Speaker 5: to the lengths that he went to to deceive me
Speaker 5: and to continue to deceive me, to not give me
Speaker 5: a heads up. And yeah, so me and him, we're
Speaker 5: not chatting right how His girlfriend came into my d
Speaker 5: MS and I had teeter tottering about whether or not
Speaker 5: I wanted to reach out to her once I found
Speaker 5: out and I had enough, Like I wasn't really trying
Speaker 5: to blow his life up at all. I figured watching
Speaker 5: this show at this point, she must know, right, I
Speaker 5: guess eventually she did actually watch the show recently and yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't know who knows on your podcasts.
Speaker 1: He's yeah he did, he dipped out.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you heard that, because they knew
Speaker 3: that he would like again like day and I said,
Speaker 3: we are straight talkers, so we think you do something
Speaker 3: fed up on show, We're.
Speaker 1: Gonna ask you.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, your shit, yeah exactly, Like I am
Speaker 3: so sorry you went through that that because you could
Speaker 3: tell watching it, you could tell that you were genuine.
Speaker 3: You could tell that you didn't know and so and
Speaker 3: it didn't. And again everyone we've had come on, they
Speaker 3: didn't know in the house either, like has said, like
Speaker 3: we had no idea, We had no idea.
Speaker 1: Which is wild.
Speaker 3: And then to see him say I love you to
Speaker 3: the girl, and I know, I know social.
Speaker 5: I mean, I was crying. I was I was a mess.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Michelle, you know what, fuck it.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: People are like this, you know, watching this uson, watching
Speaker 5: so many people cheat on their significant others. It's like,
Speaker 5: that's so I have no faith in love anymore. I really,
Speaker 5: I'm so jaded.
Speaker 3: Don't let them, don't let them beat you, because that
Speaker 3: is not real life, Like it's real life if you
Speaker 3: allow it to be a real life. But know that responsible, smart,
Speaker 3: emotionally intelligent people don't do that. That's not the norm,
Speaker 3: and so there's no need to settle for it. And
Speaker 3: then also the people that aren't acknowledging their role in
Speaker 3: it are knowing the hell.
Speaker 4: Out of me.
Speaker 3: This season, people who were like, oh, well, he has
Speaker 3: a girlfriend, she should know or whatever, you know, like whatever,
Speaker 3: Like no, you know what, don't eat your ring?
Speaker 5: Devin makes me faith in love again because I would
Speaker 5: love a piece of jewelry like that.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you.
Speaker 3: I feel like you met Adam when we did Aftermath,
Speaker 3: or maybe he wasn't there that day we did our episode.
Speaker 1: I don't remember, but thank you.
Speaker 3: And he's a good guy and he absolutely wouldn't cheat
Speaker 3: because he knows it'd be over.
Speaker 1: But and I don't mean just us over.
Speaker 3: I'm crazy, so so know that, you know. I'm glad
Speaker 3: Callum showed his ass so that you didn't have to
Speaker 3: invest even more time. But I hate that you went
Speaker 3: through that because no one does it, like that's just
Speaker 3: he's don't get me.
Speaker 5: I tried to take solace in the fact that, like listen,
Speaker 5: it sucks watching it back and stuff. But yeah, here
Speaker 5: he was making me breakfast every day, bringing me hey girl,
Speaker 5: I got a lot of perks. So I'm kind of like,
Speaker 5: you know what, I'm just gonna try to appreciate it
Speaker 5: for one. There you go, right, and hopefully it comes
Speaker 5: to enions that I could like to say that he's
Speaker 5: shipped to his face, but I feel like he's probably
Speaker 5: not gonna show up.
Speaker 1: Who would you?
Speaker 3: I think so too. Who would you rather battle in
Speaker 3: an arena? Callum or Laurel.
Speaker 6: I'll take Callum.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not.
Speaker 1: You still don't want to take Laurel.
Speaker 3: Your reaction by the way, when Laurel showed up, like
Speaker 3: I don't it was Michelle. I can't even Also, by
Speaker 3: the way, I remembering, was it on this podcast or
Speaker 3: the USA when.
Speaker 1: We talked about how Tom Holland's like sexual fan of yours?
Speaker 1: Do we podcast with you?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay? Anyway, so shout out to Tom Holland if he's listening.
Speaker 3: So your reaction from going to being Godfather es, which
Speaker 3: you're gonna you don't have to watch the whole movie,
Speaker 3: but you got to watch this anounsis.
Speaker 1: Godfather is literally like a mafia leader basically, so.
Speaker 3: Your godfathers all season and then as this Laurel Park comes,
Speaker 3: you do a one eighty into like.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh my god, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know what's it?
Speaker 5: Like what this is under my skin? Do you know
Speaker 5: what I mean? Like you just sometimes have that person
Speaker 5: who just like they dig their teeth into you, and
Speaker 5: then you like they bother you because you can't understand
Speaker 5: our dynamicsand what is it? I can't understand. I have
Speaker 5: a hard time understanding her, Like we're just so different.
Speaker 5: She's super like analytical and I'm super like emotional, and
Speaker 5: so I feel like we're just very, very different in
Speaker 5: the way that we navigate the world. And so and
Speaker 5: she like hates me so much that it like it
Speaker 5: it shakes me, Like she hates hates me, like to my.
Speaker 4: Core hates Do you know what the root of that is?
Speaker 5: Like? Why because I threw her in on Rider drives
Speaker 5: back to back in Senhow that's the only reason. That
Speaker 5: is the reason.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a big enough.
Speaker 2: I mean there's people who throw me into elimination and
Speaker 2: it's like it ain't no beef.
Speaker 4: But if I see you, I see you. But it
Speaker 4: is not like you know, It's not like.
Speaker 5: I'm saying I've had I've gone home every single season
Speaker 5: and anybody who sent me home, Like, I don't take
Speaker 5: shit personal though, Like I've said this on the podcast before,
Speaker 5: I really don't like if it happens to me, I'm
Speaker 5: just like okay, I move right along, like I.
Speaker 6: Understand Cura games.
Speaker 5: But yeah, she takes it really really personal. She's like,
Speaker 5: I will be coming for you until I get you.
Speaker 3: I'm like why, But I feel like that's but I
Speaker 3: feel like that's also goes back to her analytical side, right,
Speaker 3: Like I actually think she sees it as like black
Speaker 3: and white, like I even in the sense that she
Speaker 3: could still she could even still like you. I'm not
Speaker 3: saying she does like you, Michelle, but but I'm saying
Speaker 3: like she could even still like you in real life,
Speaker 3: you know, like out or be like hey, But in
Speaker 3: the game, it's like have you sent me home? So
Speaker 3: I'm gonna absolutely got to learn your lesson. Like she's
Speaker 3: very And what's funny is you say you guys are
Speaker 3: so different, and you may be, but I actually think
Speaker 3: you're similar in certain ways. And that's why you were
Speaker 3: Bill and you pulled out this hit list in this episode, Michelle,
Speaker 3: that is very reminiscent of Laurel's hit list and Free Agents,
Speaker 3: where she's like, this is where you fall on my
Speaker 3: list and da da da. Yes, there is a scene
Speaker 3: where Laurel does that. It's actually me having that conversation
Speaker 3: with her because people voted her in and I basically said, well,
Speaker 3: here's who orchestrated that. And she told me where I
Speaker 3: was on the hit list, which was low, which is great.
Speaker 3: So you guys are actually more alike I think than
Speaker 3: you think, which may be part of that.
Speaker 5: Yeah. No, she came to New York recently and we
Speaker 5: actually went out. It was like a big wait of us.
Speaker 3: So you guys, okay, wait, so you guys were interact
Speaker 3: you outside of the show.
Speaker 1: You said you she hates you your core.
Speaker 3: But you guys were in a group and you went
Speaker 3: out without supervision.
Speaker 6: Okay, but we're talking. We were laughing.
Speaker 5: I literally said to her, I was like, Laurel, do
Speaker 5: we need to make out? Is it sexual tension? Just
Speaker 5: tell me what's go show? And she I don't know.
Speaker 5: You can't get down to the bottom of the bottom
Speaker 5: of em.
Speaker 4: What did she say?
Speaker 1: Did she say anything?
Speaker 3: Back to you though, when you said when you were like,
Speaker 3: what is it, did she say anything?
Speaker 5: No, No, she said maybe I'm the makeout thing. So
Speaker 5: there's a shot there. Oh.
Speaker 1: Oh, at least you guys were hanging out.
Speaker 2: That's like you seem like you're very open and willing,
Speaker 2: and I think I think once you guys have this
Speaker 2: showdown in dis elimination.
Speaker 4: Because it has happened half happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, once you guys have this show down that I
Speaker 2: think it'll be like, okay, so let me call you it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually think they could be one hell of
Speaker 1: an alliance.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 1: Like, I think once you.
Speaker 3: Guys get the like, get that out of the way,
Speaker 3: like basically, once she beats your ass in arena once
Speaker 3: so she feels better. I feel like I'm not saying
Speaker 3: you can't beat her. I believe you can, but I'm
Speaker 3: just saying she's not probably gonna beat a reset.
Speaker 5: And like, I don't want to go guess her, but
Speaker 5: I will say that part of me wishes that I
Speaker 5: had you know, I'm a scaredy cat.
Speaker 6: I wish I had a backfloat, and I wish I
Speaker 6: was just like.
Speaker 5: You know what, I should just go down and fight
Speaker 5: a little fight it out right now, I just felt
Speaker 5: like I had too much to lose.
Speaker 3: By God's smart, smart smart, though it would have been
Speaker 3: smart to volunteer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we heard you say that. That would be like
Speaker 1: smart girl for who and what?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have right to prove you have nothing, so proof?
Speaker 1: What would you have done if she had called you
Speaker 1: down there?
Speaker 6: Probably what I did with Carra? It was literally was
Speaker 6: just like.
Speaker 3: Okay, And when you saw in the arena this time,
Speaker 3: was that before you guys hung out in New York
Speaker 3: that you just told us about or was this after
Speaker 3: you guys had like where you saw.
Speaker 6: Her because recently?
Speaker 3: So it was after okay? So so you saw each
Speaker 3: other after that whole thing.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: So also the similarities between you and Laurel, the fact
Speaker 3: that it was Kara that you went against, given their
Speaker 3: whole history of Laurel car used to be besties now
Speaker 3: not besties gone against each other in the arena multiple times.
Speaker 5: Let me tell you, Okay, this girl, Kara, she came
Speaker 5: up to me and she was like, oh, Laurel really
Speaker 5: doesn't like you, huh. I was like, I thought, you
Speaker 5: don't like Laurel either, And you know, the saying the
Speaker 5: enemy of your enemy is your friend, right, we have
Speaker 5: a mutual enemy here. Apparently if you got I don't know,
Speaker 5: maybe they're not enemies anymore, because apparently Laurel had saw
Speaker 5: her in the hotel and said to choose me.
Speaker 6: I think that's also a factor here as well.
Speaker 4: You know what I thought about that?
Speaker 7: Wow?
Speaker 5: So like so I was just like, okay, I bet,
Speaker 5: but I was like, girl, you didn't get the memo
Speaker 5: with me and you were together, honey, Like.
Speaker 3: How did she know that you? Because she kept calling
Speaker 3: you orange shirt? And so how did she know? Then?
Speaker 3: If Laurel told her pick Michelle, how did she know
Speaker 3: that orange Shirt was Michelle without calling you?
Speaker 5: I think that she I think she clearly knew who
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 1: I don't think she just wanted to call you orange shirt.
Speaker 5: Orange Shirt is like a dick, like you're not even
Speaker 5: important enough for me to bother with me. It's disrespectful. Honestly,
Speaker 5: you know who I am. You know you're gonna you
Speaker 5: started with me. You always knew you were going to
Speaker 5: call me down. There's no fucking way that I'm going
Speaker 5: to sell one of my girls out to go against you.
Speaker 5: So I just sat on it. I was like, fineal,
Speaker 5: I'll go down. It is what it is.
Speaker 2: And then she also mentioned something about Paullie had said
Speaker 2: something about Michelle too, so that was right.
Speaker 5: I thought that that was very interesting. And I was
Speaker 5: in Vegas with Pollie after this, and I was like,
Speaker 5: what fuck Pollie?
Speaker 6: You know because she because I asked her. I was like,
Speaker 6: why did you pick me?
Speaker 5: While we were like prepping for our interview and She's like,
Speaker 5: Polly told me you were a snake something like that.
Speaker 6: And I was like, like, me and Pollie worked together.
Speaker 6: He was on team Red Flags with me. I thought
Speaker 6: we were good. So I asked him in Vegas.
Speaker 5: He's like, you know, there's other there's other factors at
Speaker 5: play than that, so don't He's like, there's other information
Speaker 5: that you're not you're not getting.
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, so you think that's where the
Speaker 3: Laurel So you think that kind of implied that, like
Speaker 3: Laurel said something.
Speaker 5: I don't know. I just heard that Laurel had said something,
Speaker 5: But I don't know what the other factories are. I'm
Speaker 5: not gonna think too deep into it. Of course, maybe
Speaker 5: he did say I was a sneak. I can be
Speaker 5: a snake sometimes so like, whatever it is, what it is.
Speaker 3: Do you feel like you and car are cool now though?
Speaker 3: Because she seemed gracious when you want so, do you
Speaker 3: feel like you guys are that it's like?
Speaker 1: Or have you seen her? Since I know you saw Laurel.
Speaker 6: He was also in New York with Laurel game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we had all went out to dinner, but
Speaker 5: we sat on opposite sides. I don't I don't hold
Speaker 5: any animosity towards her at all, but I don't know
Speaker 5: her really at all.
Speaker 2: Right, okay, bottom line whatever was said behind closed doors,
Speaker 2: you want so, right.
Speaker 5: I know, I really was shitting bricks. And then I
Speaker 5: just came to a point that I was like, you
Speaker 5: know what, I'm tired. I was tired from the USA
Speaker 5: and I was tired from this game. And I was like,
Speaker 5: if this is where it ends for me, I can
Speaker 5: lose to Kara and be okay. So I just went
Speaker 5: into this place of like total peace, like if I
Speaker 5: go out, this is how I want to go out.
Speaker 5: If I win, great, I get to stay. So I
Speaker 5: was just in a place of acceptance at that point.
Speaker 4: All right, jall, we have to take a quick right,
Speaker 4: but we'll be right back after this who I'm ready?
Speaker 4: You ready? We ready? Okay, So let's get back to
Speaker 4: the show.
Speaker 3: You made the puzzle look easy, and I know it wasn't.
Speaker 3: I know the blocks are heavy, but you made it
Speaker 3: look easy. Car made it look insanely hard. So like,
Speaker 3: what do you.
Speaker 1: Think was the disconnect of like.
Speaker 3: What was your strategy and why do you think Car
Speaker 3: struggled so much with it?
Speaker 5: It was a very very simple puzzle to be transparent
Speaker 5: with you, But.
Speaker 4: So it has to you with the.
Speaker 6: Rings and the coloration.
Speaker 5: It's it's a lot of times with puzzles like that,
Speaker 5: it's just like attention to detail, so you have to realize.
Speaker 6: Like things could look like they're lining up, but one color.
Speaker 1: Shift, like is gotcha?
Speaker 5: Is all that it takes sometimes. So really I wasn't
Speaker 5: battling the puzzle much. I was battling the heavy of
Speaker 5: the pieces, which they didn't struggle with at all, you know,
Speaker 5: But that was my like Achilles heel and.
Speaker 4: In this.
Speaker 5: But the puzzle was like for me, I felt fairly
Speaker 5: easy to understand. I was a nervous Yeah, there was
Speaker 5: two different sides to each piece which were different fifting
Speaker 5: the puzzle because I'd be like, wait, this isn't.
Speaker 6: The pattern that I'm going with. I was nervous.
Speaker 5: I was going to get to the end and realized,
Speaker 5: fuck I had done something wrong and I was going
Speaker 5: to have to flip them all.
Speaker 6: But it had just yeah, I kind of fell into play.
Speaker 2: I guess I want to give you an opportunity to clarify,
Speaker 2: because you know how these Twitter streets are.
Speaker 4: Girl, you know how to twitter you with I sure do.
Speaker 4: I'd be all up in that thing.
Speaker 2: And you went against someone who is very well loved
Speaker 2: and you beat her, right, and so the Twitter streets
Speaker 2: are going to say you won because the cast helped you.
Speaker 2: How do you stand on that?
Speaker 6: I mean, people can say whatever they want.
Speaker 5: I don't really, I don't really care because I was
Speaker 5: there and I know, and it is like people were
Speaker 5: yelling from the sidelines.
Speaker 6: At a certain point, I was like, hey, stop yelling.
Speaker 5: Like I saw it, I understood it only I know
Speaker 5: that like I can't. I can't make other people understand
Speaker 5: what was going on in my mind. But like it,
Speaker 5: I understood the puzzle. I didn't need help, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean? Nobody like if people could come down
Speaker 5: and push the heavy pieces for me, that would have
Speaker 5: helped right the puzzle something that I just I honestly
Speaker 5: just understood it. There was no need for assistance on
Speaker 5: the sidelines, but I was I honestly took the assistance
Speaker 5: from this.
Speaker 6: I took like the cheering more as.
Speaker 5: Like a motivator, Like more than I need like help, I.
Speaker 6: Needed to hear people.
Speaker 1: Having my back that they wanted you Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's that moral boost, like after unexpectedly getting
Speaker 5: called down and we felt like it was going against
Speaker 5: a savage and like, you know, feeling a little bit intimidated,
Speaker 5: Like it was like, Okay, I have all these people
Speaker 5: like supporting me, and that was helpful.
Speaker 3: Did that also affect because we saw earlier in this
Speaker 3: particular episode, the whole Kyland and Mariah thing, and we
Speaker 3: see you kind of or like flip out a little
Speaker 3: bit when it seems like maybe Kyland questioned you or
Speaker 3: questioned your loyalty and whether or not you're going to
Speaker 3: throw this challenge. So can you take us to like
Speaker 3: what you felt in that moment and why you think
Speaker 3: it affected you so much.
Speaker 5: I was fucking passed. I saw mad. I was literally
Speaker 5: so mad because you know what it is, I would
Speaker 5: get really anxious hips over water in general, and okay,
Speaker 5: and you're telling me that this thing is just going
Speaker 5: to like shove me and push me off the side.
Speaker 5: So I I like go a little bit inside of
Speaker 5: myself when like, you know, we get our teams and
Speaker 5: Kyland wants to talk through strategy. He's really analytical. He
Speaker 5: needs to talk everything through, and I kind of go
Speaker 5: like inward, I.
Speaker 6: Have a hard time. I don't want to strategize when
Speaker 6: I'm anxious.
Speaker 5: I just need to like, m there's not much strategize,
Speaker 5: in my opinion that you can do on this. I
Speaker 5: just like, yeah, kind.
Speaker 6: Of like self comfort.
Speaker 5: And so he mistook my silence for like, is Michelle
Speaker 5: gonna throw this? And that makes sense and he said
Speaker 5: he had asked Mariah, and Ria was like, Maria's like,
Speaker 5: You're not going to throw this, right? I was like,
Speaker 5: where's that even coming from? Why would I throw this?
Speaker 5: And also I'm so small, I suck it shit like
Speaker 5: this like you think in me to throw Yeah, like how.
Speaker 3: Would you really throw it? Except for get on the
Speaker 3: other team's side and try and push it. There wasn't
Speaker 3: really as a unless you were the strongest guy right
Speaker 3: or the strongest person there. There wasn't really a way
Speaker 3: one single person could sabotage. I don't think no.
Speaker 6: I had no. I had no I never wanted to
Speaker 6: throw it. So I think my.
Speaker 5: Anxiety, like leading into the challenge, plus hearing that I
Speaker 5: was like, dude, this is not it right now, like
Speaker 5: my team doesn't trust me. It was not the morale
Speaker 5: that I needed going into that challenge. I was just
Speaker 5: like I was fucking freaking out. To be honest with you,
Speaker 5: I didn't do well hips over Water.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it terrifies me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't understand why you guys don't love the heights. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I'll do that over endurance any day. Like I
Speaker 3: see heights over water, I'm like, well, I don't like endurance.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh god, I don't like endurance either, like
Speaker 3: any of the challenges, let's be here. Wait, how did
Speaker 3: you feel about the food one that we saw recently?
Speaker 3: How did you feel about the one where you guys
Speaker 3: had to eat the gross stuff?
Speaker 5: No? So then you know, but I was freaking out
Speaker 5: because I have Every single time people hear that you're
Speaker 5: on Survivor, they're like, oh my gosh, you have to
Speaker 5: eat gross stuff. That's like the second question that I
Speaker 5: get to asked other than like where do you h
Speaker 5: Those are like the two questions I always get asked.
Speaker 5: And I've done now six seasons of shows. I never
Speaker 5: once have had to have an eating challenge in any
Speaker 5: of them. So I felt I was like dodging this bullet.
Speaker 5: I was like, you know what, I'm gonna come by unscathed.
Speaker 5: I can't even watch when that comes on my screen
Speaker 5: other people. I start gagging and stuff. So they gave
Speaker 5: me the vegan option, which was the oil right that
Speaker 5: walked with my stomach. I was like, I should have
Speaker 5: just had the brain soup, like I was violently ill
Speaker 5: for like forty days after that challenge. Oh my god,
Speaker 5: and you throw up and there's like a film of
Speaker 5: oil on the top of the twitch.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 5: Oil was coming out of me from every forfest. It
Speaker 5: was horrible.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Oh my god, Michelle, I know, I
Speaker 3: don't feel like I'll ever look at olive oil the
Speaker 3: same way.
Speaker 5: I went to Italy and I had it all over
Speaker 5: like pasta and I actually had to like leave the
Speaker 5: restaurant and go into the parking lot to throw up
Speaker 5: because it like triggered me.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, So embarrassing. Yeah, that is crazy.
Speaker 1: That is so bad.
Speaker 3: Speaking of being triggered, I want to go back to
Speaker 3: a couple episodes ago because we see you. I feel
Speaker 3: like there are Mama Bird moments that we see in
Speaker 3: this season too, and we see you get concerned over
Speaker 3: Mariah for a bit and feeling like she because you
Speaker 3: mentioned she's your number one, and feeling like she's getting
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's distracted by James or just
Speaker 3: kind of like attaching herself to games, or maybe even
Speaker 3: just putting herself out on a limb and like putting
Speaker 3: a target on her back for James.
Speaker 1: Can you walk us through, especially because you're such.
Speaker 3: An excellent social player and reader of people, can you
Speaker 3: walk us through why that was so concerning for you?
Speaker 3: And at this point in the game, are you still
Speaker 3: concerned by that or or have you? Do you now
Speaker 3: feel like, oh, okay, I got my girl Mariah back,
Speaker 3: like she's balancing it all out now.
Speaker 5: I was exceptionally anxious over her relationship with Jams for
Speaker 5: multiple reasons. Obviously, I just played a season with Bananas
Speaker 5: and I have a relationship with him, so oh right.
Speaker 1: I didn't even think about that and.
Speaker 6: We started my first show with her.
Speaker 5: Their romance is sort of like bubbling it, right, So
Speaker 5: I was there for like the origin story of it,
Speaker 5: all right, I've been friends with her, and so I
Speaker 5: know how their relationship has kind of progressed and stuff,
Speaker 5: And so she has the bed next of mine. I'm
Speaker 5: seeing her every single night crying and going through this
Speaker 5: like emotional rollercoaster of like it's her like justifying it
Speaker 5: in her mind and then her being really upset about it,
Speaker 5: And I was like, emotionally is killing me like I
Speaker 5: wanted to. At a certain point, I wasn't working with James,
Speaker 5: so I was like, I personally don't want him here
Speaker 5: for the game, but I also like, don't want to
Speaker 5: see you going go through this.
Speaker 6: I don't want to see your storyline.
Speaker 5: I don't want this to be your battle at you're
Speaker 5: fighting every single day. And then that kind of combined
Speaker 5: with the fact that everybody kept coming up to me
Speaker 5: and being like Ry is not trustworthy. She you know,
Speaker 5: I'm like, it's also jeopardizing your game, it's taxing you emotionally.
Speaker 5: I'm just like, I feel like this is kind of
Speaker 5: a bad situation. But at a certain point she leveled out,
Speaker 5: like you know, for emotionally, now she's leveled out, and
Speaker 5: that kind of made me feel more sort of calm
Speaker 5: about it because I was like, she's okay, then that's
Speaker 5: sort of like I could be okay with whatever, you know.
Speaker 5: So yeah, once she balanced and she was like less
Speaker 5: of an emotional rollercoaster, I was like, all right, we're bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 3: I forgot the fact that you were there for the
Speaker 3: origin of it all too, so you certainly have a perspective,
Speaker 3: right and sharing a room with her of all of
Speaker 3: the happenings and the things, which is you know, which
Speaker 3: is wild and then makes sense too of your sort
Speaker 3: of commentary of like this is the game in itself
Speaker 3: is stressful enough, and so anytime you're adding these layers
Speaker 3: of complexities that only makes it that much Yeah worse.
Speaker 2: Speaking of layers of complexity, my mind is all over
Speaker 2: the place with this Olivia and harassial.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's going on about?
Speaker 4: Like what.
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 6: Definitely interesting watching it back.
Speaker 5: It was interesting at the time coming from somebody who
Speaker 5: came from writer dies and me and Jay have like
Speaker 5: it was such a.
Speaker 6: Bonding experience for us.
Speaker 5: We learned how to communicate, We learned how each other's
Speaker 5: brain works, how we function, what we expect of each other,
Speaker 5: you know, all of these things, like there's nothing that
Speaker 5: brings you closer with somebody than being their partner.
Speaker 6: I truly believe that.
Speaker 5: And so you know, I'm watching this all go down,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, wow, me and Jay have such a
Speaker 5: different path as Rider dies than than they are. And
Speaker 5: I think that a lot of it has to do
Speaker 5: with Olivia's like needs to speak things through.
Speaker 6: She needs to talk, she needs to.
Speaker 5: Be she needs you know, she wanted him to tell
Speaker 5: her like I you're my writer, die, you're my number.
Speaker 6: She needed that reassess.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, like verbal affirmation.
Speaker 5: She needed to Yes, she's the words of affirmation girl,
Speaker 5: And he's say, acts of service die, And so I
Speaker 5: think she just wasn't getting kind of the like the
Speaker 5: love that she needed from even though he's like, I
Speaker 5: always will have your back, I'll always support you, right,
Speaker 5: it seems for him, but for her, she's.
Speaker 6: Like, not, that's not balancing out the actions. Don't need
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 1: Did they ever seem to have it?
Speaker 3: Because so far what we're seeing and we had dreis
Speaker 3: On who alluded to the fact that like things happened
Speaker 3: between them, between Olivia and Taracio, and at the time,
Speaker 3: we were just shocked anyway, because we remember them provide
Speaker 3: or dies, and we're like, and so far in the
Speaker 3: episodes up to that point they seem fine, So we're
Speaker 3: kind of like, how is that even possible? Did you
Speaker 3: ever see them sort of try and talk to each other,
Speaker 3: cause I feel like that part we haven't fully seen,
Speaker 3: like we see them. Yeah, so like what I don't
Speaker 3: it feels like an easy solve of like you two sit.
Speaker 1: Down, hey, blah blah blah, and then it's all done.
Speaker 5: I think that there was an effort there on Olivia's
Speaker 5: part to pull him and have a conversation with him,
Speaker 5: but he just like doesn't like to talk game, you know.
Speaker 5: He's just like I'm here, I'm strong and I know
Speaker 5: that I can get to the end on my abilities,
Speaker 5: and like he's very physical, you know.
Speaker 6: And she's like she plays the social game, she.
Speaker 5: Really does too, but she very much likes to be
Speaker 5: in the circle, in the know, making the decisions, you know.
Speaker 6: So like I think they're just they played.
Speaker 5: The game really really differently, and that's and they just
Speaker 5: are so different, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they definitely are different. What did you think about
Speaker 3: the advice Jay was giving Olivia, which was, you know,
Speaker 3: it seems like she put a lot of pressure on
Speaker 3: herself around them not winning. Rider dies, and then Jay
Speaker 3: was saying, you know, let that go. You're the reason
Speaker 3: why you guys got as far. Did you agree with
Speaker 3: that sentiment or that advice.
Speaker 5: Or I mean I was very close with Olivia and
Speaker 5: Rider guys, So for me, I didn't know what I
Speaker 5: was doing.
Speaker 6: The Rider dies, Let's be honest. I was just I
Speaker 6: was I don't know.
Speaker 1: We saw a little bit of that Michelle. We definitely
Speaker 1: didn't ride her.
Speaker 6: Die a fucking mess and Rider dies. Who knows what
Speaker 6: I was doing when I was there?
Speaker 5: Who was that girl? I have no idea, But I
Speaker 5: think that they both made it as far as they
Speaker 5: did because they're so different, Like she was navigating with
Speaker 5: things on the social end, just very very liked in
Speaker 5: the house and he was as well. But he definitely
Speaker 5: brought the physical aspect that allowed them to win competitions
Speaker 5: and you know, eliminations and stuff like that. So it
Speaker 5: really was like a great combo package.
Speaker 1: But now that it's an.
Speaker 5: Individual game here, we're seeing how different they play, and
Speaker 5: I think that that's leading to some fractures within you know,
Speaker 5: the two of them. But she's also like going to
Speaker 5: Nourise to try to like bridge that gap.
Speaker 6: She's kind of using Nourie as like, can you make
Speaker 6: sense of this for me?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: And can you maybeven middleman this, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: And I think Nourice is just more like he's got
Speaker 5: your back, It's fine, And Olivia's like, I need you
Speaker 5: to step in and be that person. You guys, have
Speaker 5: a conversation, facilitate that, and so I think that that
Speaker 5: was what she was trying to do, but now it's
Speaker 5: causing friction within herd. Maurice as well, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Did you understand or did you hear anything about like
Speaker 3: we saw Nurice talking with her family right, and her
Speaker 3: family said Olivia said something or was doing something which
Speaker 3: didn't like.
Speaker 4: I were talking with about her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but they were friends before, it didn't.
Speaker 3: I don't what do you know, Michelle about that, because
Speaker 3: that just didn't add up to me.
Speaker 1: That seems so left.
Speaker 5: Field, Yeah, super left field.
Speaker 6: And we did find out.
Speaker 5: I found that out later because you know, I started
Speaker 5: to see some maybe like distrust sort of beginning to
Speaker 5: divide them, and I always just thought it was maybe
Speaker 5: the Erasio thing or whatever it was. You know, the
Speaker 5: game progresses and it tests her relationships, it really does,
Speaker 5: so I just thought, whatever it is. And then later
Speaker 5: I found out that she had this conversation with her brother.
Speaker 5: I guess somebody's past past me slid into her brother's
Speaker 5: d MS and said that, and then he related to her,
Speaker 5: sort of adding this layer of like should I trust her?
Speaker 5: Should I be?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 5: So? And I think she always still did trust her,
Speaker 5: I think, you know, but yeah, I would if somebody
Speaker 5: freaking called me when I'm stressed out like that and
Speaker 5: a family member was like, you can't trust Jay, I'd
Speaker 5: be like what, Yeah, what do you mean I can't
Speaker 5: trust Jay? You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: But I feel like you would have went straight.
Speaker 1: To Jay and said something about him, right.
Speaker 5: I would. You have a nightmare and you're like, boyfriend,
Speaker 5: she's on you or something in the nightmare, and then
Speaker 5: you wake up and you're like you can stay over there.
Speaker 4: I'm mad, Yes.
Speaker 5: That JA would be like what the fuck are you
Speaker 5: talking about?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like, I don't even know what You're mad at me?
Speaker 1: Like what are you talking?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am so okay, let's get back into this, Gabeiraio,
Speaker 2: we're here.
Speaker 4: When do you think he's turned on you?
Speaker 5: I think that I think that there's it seems right
Speaker 5: now that the girls are sort of the decision makers, right,
Speaker 5: But yeah, that's actually like not true to what was
Speaker 5: actually going on. In my opinion, I think Jay was
Speaker 5: pulling a lot of the strings, but he didn't want
Speaker 5: to be seen.
Speaker 6: As pulling the strings.
Speaker 5: From what I gather nowadays, like after the fact, I
Speaker 5: think he was kind of floating out Arassio and Kylin's
Speaker 5: name for a bit with some of the guys like
Speaker 5: a Menuel or Corey Callum when Callum was there.
Speaker 6: So I think the deceit or.
Speaker 5: The you know, it came first before Rossio didn't trust me.
Speaker 5: I think that there was some situations going on behind
Speaker 5: Herrassio's back that made him. And the thing is, the
Speaker 5: great thing about me and Jay is that, you know,
Speaker 5: what I do is reflection.
Speaker 6: Of him when he does inflection of me.
Speaker 5: But that's also kind of a curse because I don't
Speaker 5: know what's going on, and I'm like, right, suddenly, you know,
Speaker 5: having some animosity towards me, But I didn't know what
Speaker 5: was going on with Jay's sort of other plans. So
Speaker 5: that was a tough conversation with me and Jay ultimately had.
Speaker 5: But I could just tell Erassio it was just like
Speaker 5: I don't fuck with Michelle.
Speaker 3: And I was like, shit, wow, yeah, he seems like
Speaker 3: the type two that once he makes up his mind,
Speaker 3: his mind is made.
Speaker 5: Like I tried, man, I sat him down. I could
Speaker 5: sense it was bad. So I was like, let me
Speaker 5: talk to him in the club. Let me reassure him.
Speaker 5: Olivia is my girl, Nourie's girl, you know where we
Speaker 5: want to protect the same people here, you know. I
Speaker 5: just wanted to have a combo with him, and it
Speaker 5: was like blank, and I was like, yeah, I'm not
Speaker 5: gonna try.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think two people are starting to see your
Speaker 3: power in this game, in this particular season at the game,
Speaker 3: like it's obvious, right, So it's for anyone who feels
Speaker 3: like they're at a lower end of the totem pole.
Speaker 3: I think part of it is is like we've even
Speaker 3: had people on this season saying like, I don't know
Speaker 3: what it is the draw of Michelle, but like I
Speaker 3: wanted her to like me.
Speaker 1: I wanted I wanted her to like so it's like this.
Speaker 3: I don't know magic fairy does, I don't know what
Speaker 3: you keep in your pockets, but whatever it is that
Speaker 3: people are starting, maybe even putting up a guard because
Speaker 3: they go, look, I know when I talk to Michelle
Speaker 3: or I know, if I start to listener, i am
Speaker 3: going to like her or agree or want to join
Speaker 3: forces or whatever else.
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna stone wallet to tryumph protect myself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: from it.
Speaker 4: That was like my mama things.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, like, I think here's the thing too,
Speaker 5: Like there are certain people who I'm not working with.
Speaker 5: I actively was telling Kayland, like we both knew we
Speaker 5: weren't working together, and yet we probably the most in
Speaker 5: the house honestly because we both are frank about the
Speaker 5: situation we're not working together. But me and him can
Speaker 5: both separate that, Like I don't just because I talk
Speaker 5: to you all the time doesn't mean that I'm going
Speaker 5: to protect you when you know, if the time comes,
Speaker 5: I'm still going to say her name, And I'm sorry
Speaker 5: for that, but you know, I think people have a
Speaker 5: hard time separating sometimes, Like just because I talked to Zara,
Speaker 5: it doesn't mean I'm going to protect Zara or raven
Speaker 5: Or what Yeah, right, But yeah, I don't know. Honestly,
Speaker 5: I think part the social game, if you like people,
Speaker 5: it's not that hard, like you just have to care
Speaker 5: about people, I think in general, but I.
Speaker 3: Think you're good at reading people. I think you're good,
Speaker 3: And I don't mean reading people in like a bad way.
Speaker 3: I mean that, like you mentioned that you go inward
Speaker 3: and therefore you can be a bit of an introvert.
Speaker 3: And I think you're more in tune with reading the
Speaker 3: room and reading people than some other people. So I
Speaker 3: think there's like an emotional intelligence level that my guess,
Speaker 3: would be served you well in Survivor and serves you
Speaker 3: well in this game when you're able to like relax
Speaker 3: and stay in it versus say a ride or dies
Speaker 3: right where it did seem like you had a lot
Speaker 3: going on and couldn't like live in that space.
Speaker 1: It's just my theory, but that's what it seems like.
Speaker 5: Well, thank you, I think thank you. Like I definitely,
Speaker 5: I I definitely like love people, and I think that
Speaker 5: I can read. Yes, I think you're right, like I noticed.
Speaker 5: I think what made me and Berna this season probably
Speaker 5: so close but also have so much tension is like
Speaker 5: I know, I could sense that she's emotionally going through things,
Speaker 5: and so it's like she needs somebody to like just
Speaker 5: be there for her. And I think that that like
Speaker 5: you know, take take, and sometimes I wish I had
Speaker 5: given her a little bit more time and energy, but
Speaker 5: it's also like sometimes draining. That's that was the struggle
Speaker 5: on Writer Dies is that like I didn't want to
Speaker 5: be in a position of power. I felt like I
Speaker 5: was hurting people. I don't like I know it's you're
Speaker 5: calling me the godfather or whatever, but I actually don't
Speaker 5: like being in power because I don't like hurting people.
Speaker 5: And that's why I dissolved Unrider Dies. I was like
Speaker 5: I had to say half the house and now people
Speaker 5: hate me. Everybody's mad at me. Like that's that's I'm
Speaker 5: kind of a people.
Speaker 6: Pleaser a lot of ways. That's a really difficult like thing.
Speaker 3: That's why you're offering to make out with Laurel, because
Speaker 3: you're trying to please Laurel.
Speaker 1: So that you guys, I do.
Speaker 3: She is beautiful also, but yes, it show it reflects
Speaker 3: itself as a little bit of like the people please
Speaker 3: their energy because you want to be like liked in
Speaker 3: that way, how did it feel even given all of that,
Speaker 3: and even and again when we when I call you
Speaker 3: the Godfather, it's certainly not pejorably like I think. It's
Speaker 3: a skills it's a masterful. People who love this game
Speaker 3: will appreciate the way you've been able to navigate this
Speaker 3: this season.
Speaker 4: It's that you just give.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not a name, that's a that it is.
Speaker 1: It's skillful.
Speaker 3: It's it's and I actually don't feel like which is
Speaker 3: part of the reason why I appreciate it. I feel like,
Speaker 3: so far, at least from what we've seen, you haven't
Speaker 3: been snaky. Now Corey, we've discussed this with him. How
Speaker 3: you managed to forgive him in the game, I'll know
Speaker 3: or trust him again, but he and he admitted.
Speaker 1: That he was snaky in some of the ways you played.
Speaker 3: You have been pretty transparent about like your moves and
Speaker 3: what you're gonna do. Yet you still are running the house,
Speaker 3: which is just super impressive.
Speaker 5: When I'm sneaky in the past, it has not gone
Speaker 5: well in the challenge. So I was like, I'm just
Speaker 5: gonna be as transparent as possible because I didn't want
Speaker 5: to make this game emotionally harder.
Speaker 6: For myself than it needed to be.
Speaker 5: Ye, Like, I'm just going to try to play as
Speaker 5: like not manipulative, just to make sure that I like emotionally,
Speaker 5: I'm okay. And I think because I went in like
Speaker 5: not putting that much pressure on it, it, you know,
Speaker 5: it kind of worked out to my advantage. Like the
Speaker 5: more that you you're like, you love a dog so much,
Speaker 5: you could squeeze it to death, Like it's nice to
Speaker 5: like just pet it and relax. I don't. Here's a saying,
Speaker 5: but I don't. Oh my god, my poor dog.
Speaker 1: I give you say. I know your dog probably just
Speaker 1: moved a few inches away from you right now.
Speaker 5: Like if you love something so much, you can smother it,
Speaker 5: and that's letting the fire breathe.
Speaker 6: Instead has allowed for the fire to be bigger.
Speaker 5: And that's you know, that's kind of how I feel
Speaker 5: about the season, I guess.
Speaker 3: And you won this elimination, so now you're coming back
Speaker 3: into the house with some added clout because you beat
Speaker 3: someone who is a legend in this game. How do
Speaker 3: you think this affects your game play moving forward throughout
Speaker 3: the rest of the season.
Speaker 5: It really, like, I mean, it did shift my mindset
Speaker 5: and I said it in the episode, but I really
Speaker 5: felt like, I mean, Kylin said too, like Michelle can't win.
Speaker 5: I want to keep her here because my girls can
Speaker 5: beat her easily. And I very much have that mindset,
Speaker 5: you know, I've lost so many eliminations. I feel like
Speaker 5: I'm kind of I'm not winning dailies.
Speaker 6: Like I kind of just feel like, Okay, I guess
Speaker 6: I'm here for the ride.
Speaker 5: I'm going to get as many people as I can
Speaker 5: to the end and we'll just you know, do this
Speaker 5: season out. But I think my mindset shifted in this
Speaker 5: moment to being like, whoa wait, wait, you do have
Speaker 5: a skill set that is unique. And yes, these people
Speaker 5: are all strong and they're badass and whatever, but I
Speaker 5: do have a skill set that is unique to me
Speaker 5: that would allow me to also, you know, succeed if
Speaker 5: I do get to the final.
Speaker 6: So I think it just like.
Speaker 5: Made me a little bit more I'm very self deprecating
Speaker 5: a lot of the time, and it made me a
Speaker 5: little bit more like confident. And I think confidence is
Speaker 5: something that like allows you to be successful. If you're
Speaker 5: not confident that you can win, you probably aren't going
Speaker 5: to win.
Speaker 3: You know, Michelle, you are strong and a badass and
Speaker 3: a leader, and you deserve to be there. You're playing
Speaker 3: a beautiful game. Tell Callum to stay fifty thousand miles
Speaker 3: away from you at any point at this point, Davon
Speaker 3: and I will have to step in.
Speaker 1: Not not a fan, but you're doing.
Speaker 3: It's a beautiful season, and I'm sure Tom Holland would
Speaker 3: be proud. Like I'm just gonna say it, like I
Speaker 3: haven't talked to him, but I feel like he would be,
Speaker 3: you know what.
Speaker 5: I'm so embarrassed then things like Queen Bee and all
Speaker 5: of this stuff, and I'm so I'd like hate hearing that.
Speaker 5: I'm so I'm honestly so embarrassed watching this season back.
Speaker 5: Like for that reason, I'm more, I think a passive
Speaker 5: passenger and a lot like I'm a good supporting role.
Speaker 5: I should not be a main role. I don't feel
Speaker 5: comfortable in that position. But then I'm trying to think, like,
Speaker 5: you know, if Wes said something like that, Wes s
Speaker 5: has seven things like that one episode, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean?
Speaker 1: Literally, I mean he.
Speaker 5: Is the mastermind in his own mind, right, and I
Speaker 5: just like, yeah, I need to be maybe a little
Speaker 5: bit more maybe okay with this position but it's really
Speaker 5: uncomfortable for me.
Speaker 6: I don't like watching it.
Speaker 3: But but growth comes from being uncomfortable, not necessarily saying
Speaker 3: from saying you're Queen Bee all the time.
Speaker 1: You know, but but but we're.
Speaker 3: Gonna get you a T shirt made. But growth comes
Speaker 3: from being uncomfortable. So you may not be comfortable in
Speaker 3: that space, but it leadership looks good on you.
Speaker 1: And the way that people trust.
Speaker 3: You is I think a gift you have to give
Speaker 3: because you have those talents, right or because people feel
Speaker 3: that way about you. For those who want to follow
Speaker 3: you and keep up with you and probably sliding your
Speaker 3: DMS and tell you more nonsense about again, I hope
Speaker 3: you learn the shoelle if you hear, If you hear,
Speaker 3: just Michelle, we've done these interviews. I don't know how
Speaker 3: many times why you would think suddenly we wouldn't like
Speaker 3: you and I wouldn't like you.
Speaker 8: Now, I really was like tended it to come up here,
Speaker 8: and I like, thank you guys for giving me that
Speaker 8: moment to talk about it, because the last thing that
Speaker 8: I want to do is like not open up because
Speaker 8: I feel a certain way.
Speaker 5: So you guys for letting me like talk that through
Speaker 5: I really appreciate it, and I'll come directly to you
Speaker 5: next time. I'll screenshot it and.
Speaker 2: Be like, period, yeah, yeah, we see we see BS
Speaker 2: at the roots. I mean shout out to the TV,
Speaker 2: but we see BS at the roots, so we locked in.
Speaker 2: You can always be like Davion, what is this? Absolutely yeah,
Speaker 2: because you was tripping, I was tripping, or we was
Speaker 2: tripping somebody I know.
Speaker 5: Right, Well, I hope you guys go back out of season. Honestly,
Speaker 5: we'd love to see it. What's what's your deal? Are
Speaker 5: you guys coming back on or what?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Davon, Oh so where can they find you on social media?
Speaker 3: I know Davon is going to make I think we're
Speaker 3: going to see Davon on I do.
Speaker 4: Oh boy? So Instagram?
Speaker 5: No what, I'm a really good roommate. So just keep
Speaker 5: in mind, you know, honey, come.
Speaker 6: On if you're ever there.
Speaker 5: I'm clean.
Speaker 3: But that's so many people, ya, that's true. You can
Speaker 3: get it right at the top right not the show
Speaker 3: trying to add to her already long list. You know what,
Speaker 3: I would feel safe.
Speaker 2: I'd be like, I got to worry about Riah Olivia.
Speaker 5: You know, Okay, if you want to follow me on Instagram.
Speaker 6: It's just a lot of pics of my dog.
Speaker 5: I mean, if you if you're into that sort of thing,
Speaker 5: it's a mish underscore fits.
Speaker 3: We appreciate you opening up and being here and just
Speaker 3: watching you this season. It's been so fun and honey,
Speaker 3: there wouldn't be a show this season without you, really
Speaker 3: like true And no, I don't say that to everybody.
Speaker 3: Definitely didn't say it to Callum, and not just because
Speaker 3: he was too afraid to come on the podcast. But yeah,
Speaker 3: so thank you for being here so far. Yes, you're
Speaker 3: still the Godfather. Don't cring jet it.
Speaker 1: It's fine. We'll see how the rest of the season goes.
Speaker 1: But so happy to have.
Speaker 3: You as a part of the challenge fan Michelle and
Speaker 3: excited to see how you go.
Speaker 5: You guys are a wonderful hosts. I hope you continue.
Speaker 5: And yeah, I enjoyed this really honestly, thank.
Speaker 4: You who that was such a great interview.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm glash she decided to come hang out with
Speaker 2: us despite by.
Speaker 1: Right, there's nothing to be there about here.
Speaker 4: We got you girl.
Speaker 2: But in the meantime, in between times, Devin, where can
Speaker 2: the people find you on the social of the media.
Speaker 3: They can find me on my website that's devinsimone dot
Speaker 3: com Devin with a y Simon with an icecore to
Speaker 3: the bottom, and.
Speaker 1: You will see my socials.
Speaker 3: Or you can just go to Instagram which is Devin Simone,
Speaker 3: or Twitter or TikTok.
Speaker 1: You get the picture. It's all pretty much the same.
Speaker 1: What about you, day, Where can they find you?
Speaker 2: Yes, you can find me on the Instagram at Davon
Speaker 2: Diane Underscore. You can find me on that was good,
Speaker 2: Twitter Underscore, TikTok Dave Diane Underscore.
Speaker 4: And that's it.
Speaker 3: I love that, And thank you guys so much for
Speaker 3: joining for another episode of MTV's official Challenge podcast. Remember
Speaker 3: if you liked this episode, rate and review us on
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Speaker 1: And trying to start drama. We're on to you.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm ooh day, I also have to shout out
Speaker 3: really quick. He goes by damaged golf cart on Twitter.
Speaker 3: His name is Aaron, but he's freaking hilarious and he
Speaker 3: always listens to the pod and has the funniest memes
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 1: So shout out to you damaged golf cart.
Speaker 2: Yes, shout out to you, friend, and for everyone else.
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