WEBVTT - Executive Disorder: White House Weekly #8

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<v Speaker 1>Also media, Oh Lord, that the Coming has begun.

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<v Speaker 2>The Coming has begun. This is it could happen here.

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<v Speaker 2>Executive Disorder, our weekly newscast covering what's happening in the

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<v Speaker 2>White House, the crumbling world, and what it means for you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Garrison Davis. I'm joined by Mia Wong, James Stout,

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<v Speaker 2>and Robert Evans.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and as James Stout just noted, the Coming has begun,

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<v Speaker 3>so we're going to also begin.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode we are covering the week of March twelve

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<v Speaker 2>to March nineteen. Obviously, the most important piece of news

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<v Speaker 2>right now is that Minnesota Republican state Senator Justin aich Lord,

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<v Speaker 2>who just last week sponsored or co sponsored a bill

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<v Speaker 2>that that legally recognizes Trump Derangement syndrome as a mental

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<v Speaker 2>illness which disqualifies you from possessing firearms, was literally that

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<v Speaker 2>same day rested in a sting operation for trying to

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<v Speaker 2>meet up with and have sex with.

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<v Speaker 3>A like like literally he was like, had to have

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<v Speaker 3>been texting this. He thought what he thought was a kid,

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<v Speaker 3>but what was really a federal agent. While he was

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<v Speaker 3>finalizing the language.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's it's truly phenomenal. Pedal Club theory never fails. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>let's move on to the actual important stress, which is

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<v Speaker 2>mostly bad. This has been a pretty rough week.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's been a pretty rough week.

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<v Speaker 3>It sucked.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So I guess I'll turn to James Stout.

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<v Speaker 1>Mehi, everyone, Well the day you're listening, it's it's Neuro's

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<v Speaker 1>Nero's piros babe. Yeah, yeah, British listeners. So I want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk today about rendition. This has been reported his deportation. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it technically falls within deportation. But what's happening

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<v Speaker 1>here is that the Trump administration has begun renditioning people

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<v Speaker 1>who it accuses of being members of trender Ragua, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a Venezuelan gang, and the La Mara Saba, the

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<v Speaker 1>MS thirteen as they known here right. It has done

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<v Speaker 1>this based on something called the Alien Enemies Act. The

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<v Speaker 1>way it's able to use the Alien Enemies Act is

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<v Speaker 1>that it has designated these gangs as foreign terrorist organizations

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<v Speaker 1>rather than as like international crime organizations, and it's usually

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<v Speaker 1>Alien Enemies Act to expedite their removal. We spoke about

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<v Speaker 1>the Alien Enemies Act in a podcast that I made

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<v Speaker 1>last November with Robin Sophe about parts of the lord

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<v Speaker 1>that Trump administration might use for its mass deportation agenda.

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<v Speaker 1>They're now using this one, and very briefly, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred and twenty six year old piece of legislation

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<v Speaker 1>that hasn't been used since World War Two, when it

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<v Speaker 1>was used to justifying tournament camps, which were a bad thing.

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<v Speaker 1>These people aren't being deported back to Venezuela, right, The

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<v Speaker 1>US doesn't have relations with the Moduro regime, although it

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<v Speaker 1>has to port people back to Venezuela on an airline

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<v Speaker 1>that was previously sanctioned, which could now land in the

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<v Speaker 1>US for the express purpose of deportations, which is great. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>they're being sent to Al Salvador, sent there with no

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<v Speaker 1>trial or hearing or seemingly right to appeal. When they

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<v Speaker 1>get to El Salvador, they've been parade in front of

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<v Speaker 1>video cameras. Very degrading treatment. Right. Their hair is being shaved,

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<v Speaker 1>sort of being walked with their heads forced down. They're

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<v Speaker 1>being filmed on their knees while all their hair and

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<v Speaker 1>facial hair is removed, and then they're being sent to

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<v Speaker 1>second If you're not familiar with this, it was the

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<v Speaker 1>subject of State Department Human Rights reports very recently and

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<v Speaker 1>now we are sending people there. It's a mega prison

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<v Speaker 1>in El Salvador. It roughly translates terrorism confinement or terrorism

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<v Speaker 1>detention center. I guess it's been very recently built by Bukel,

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<v Speaker 1>who's the president of El Salvador, and it's part of

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<v Speaker 1>his Supermanodoro like Iron Fist. Super Iron Fist would be

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<v Speaker 1>the way you were translated. I guess. It is routinely

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<v Speaker 1>criticized by human rights organizations for the disgusting conditions of

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<v Speaker 1>people are kept in right, the United States government intended

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<v Speaker 1>to send three hundred people there and in return it

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<v Speaker 1>paid six million dollars to El Salvador for the cost

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<v Speaker 1>of their detention. At the time that I wrote this,

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred and thirty eight people who were accused of

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<v Speaker 1>being part of trend our Work was sent there, and

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<v Speaker 1>then twenty three who accused of being part of MS thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>They were removed on flights the Trump administrations, claiming they

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<v Speaker 1>were removed before a district court judge in DC blocked

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<v Speaker 1>the removals. But there are a series of timelines that

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<v Speaker 1>you can see online, some of which will be linked

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<v Speaker 1>in the source of this episode would suggest that they

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<v Speaker 1>were in the air when he blocked their removals. Nonetheless,

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<v Speaker 1>the judge very explicitly said, I'm quoting here. Any plane

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<v Speaker 1>containing these folks that is going to take off or

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<v Speaker 1>is in the air needs to be returned to the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. This is something that you need to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure is complied with immediately. This did not happen. The

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<v Speaker 1>planes continued traveling to Olsalvadoid, stopped in Honduras, and then

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<v Speaker 1>these people were paraded before the cameras, right, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>now presumably being detained in this prison, which doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>basic sender of human rights. The government has given various

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<v Speaker 1>reasons for ignoring this ruling from the judge. Press Sexuary

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<v Speaker 1>Caroline leave It claimed that there was quote no lawful

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<v Speaker 1>basis for it. Obviously, that the process here is, if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't believe then judicial ruling is correct, you stop

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<v Speaker 1>doing the thing and appeal it. You don't just keep

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<v Speaker 1>doing the thing and say like, oh, well, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>believe you. It's not true. Obviously, this only matters in

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<v Speaker 1>so far as the judge can enforce his decision. They

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<v Speaker 1>also claimed in court that the verbal order that the judge

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<v Speaker 1>gave is not the same as a written one, and

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<v Speaker 1>they claim that because the flights were ever international waters,

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<v Speaker 1>this was a foreign policy matter, and that the judge

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<v Speaker 1>could intervene in a foreign policy matter. That's a power

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<v Speaker 1>of this reserve to the executive.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like all of these justifications are really like

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<v Speaker 2>freaky in terms of constitutional power and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is there are fringes on the flag, so

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<v Speaker 1>admiralty court apply is kind of done.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But specifically that last one being like it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>count because we're over international waters is like, yeah, super

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<v Speaker 2>frightening in terms of like human rights abuses.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not the way anything works, especially since it was

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<v Speaker 3>like a US airline.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, and in terms of yeah, you basically don't

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<v Speaker 1>have human rights because really, look, it's they're forcing a

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<v Speaker 1>loophole that doesn't exist in the same way that George W.

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<v Speaker 1>Bush did in the in the early two thousands with

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<v Speaker 1>Guantanamo Bay. He was never stopped from doing it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, well, I I honestly, I think I think

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<v Speaker 4>the thing that this is closer to is the other things.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think Guantanamo Bay is the one that gets remembered.

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<v Speaker 4>But the other part of the CIA torture program was

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<v Speaker 4>the US would just ship people off to places like Syria.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, Syria, Egypt, Syria and the Egypt biggest.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah maybe yeah yeah, we did ANASA.

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<v Speaker 3>To Syria's torture program had largely been cobbled together by

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<v Speaker 3>a former SS guy. It's all. It's very good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I also want to read a line from the legal

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<v Speaker 4>argument that Trump's lawyers made before this judge, because it

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<v Speaker 4>is fucking horrifying. Quote, enemy Allians are not entitled to

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<v Speaker 4>seek any relief or protection in the country that has

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<v Speaker 4>designated them enemies, absent dispensation by the President c Citizens

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<v Speaker 4>Protection League. And then in parentheses noting common law ruling

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<v Speaker 4>that alien enemies have no rights, no privileges, unless by

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<v Speaker 4>the King's special favor. So every single part that is horrifying.

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<v Speaker 4>Also horrifying is the fact that if you actually look

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<v Speaker 4>up the common lawal citation, the next words after King's

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<v Speaker 4>special favor is in a time of war.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's the idea here, right, that we're a

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<v Speaker 1>war with these foreign terrorist organizations and these people are

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<v Speaker 1>like essentially like spies.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and this is this is this thing We're like, well, no,

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<v Speaker 4>obviously we're not like that. We don't have there's no

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<v Speaker 4>state of war, Like, no state of wars have ever

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<v Speaker 4>been declared. But because of the way the War on

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<v Speaker 4>Terror sort of functioned, they're they're they're trying to claim

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<v Speaker 4>these things. And then again like the fact that they're

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<v Speaker 4>saying that anyone they declare an alien has literally no

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<v Speaker 4>protections at all in the country, no rights at all

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<v Speaker 4>can be anything can be done to them. It's unless

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<v Speaker 4>specifically the president decides that they have rights. Is unbelievably hideous.

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<v Speaker 4>It is pure, pure state of exception, total fascism. Shit,

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<v Speaker 4>it's fucking horrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's entirely unconstitutional, right, Like you have to

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<v Speaker 1>be a radically left person to believe that humans have rights. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to really briefly, like one of the criteria

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<v Speaker 1>that was used here so so ice criteria. So they

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<v Speaker 1>have to have two identifying signs to be classified as

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<v Speaker 1>a gang member. One of them that has been used

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<v Speaker 1>very heavily here is tattoos. We know from court filings

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<v Speaker 1>that one man, Barrios, he has a football tattoo, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like a tattoo of a football with a crown on

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<v Speaker 1>it is this diocelic god underneath. It was supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be I guess similar like a play on the logo

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<v Speaker 1>of Al Madrid. But they've used this to claim that

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<v Speaker 1>its evidence he's a member of a gang. Gangs like

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<v Speaker 1>tender Agua don't have like gang signed tattoos, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they're smarter than that, Like they've seen what's happened to

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<v Speaker 1>gangs like MS thirteen, because who do Like Madras, Central

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<v Speaker 1>American gangs have have had these things like as part

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<v Speaker 1>of their tradition for a while, and they've been used

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<v Speaker 1>heavily by law enforcement. I remember Christmas Eve twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 1>I was in the desert with my friends and a

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<v Speaker 1>large number of my joints Across that day, I remember

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<v Speaker 1>meeting a Venezuela man who was like covered in tattoos.

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<v Speaker 1>They head to toe, very heavy tattooed. And that dude

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<v Speaker 1>spent the entire day building a shelter for someone else's

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<v Speaker 1>sick kid and then slept by himself in the freezing

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<v Speaker 1>cold outside. And like, I don't know, I've been thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about that guy a lot because under this ruling, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like just his appearance of having tattoos would have him

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<v Speaker 1>classified as a terrorist. And like when thousands of Americans

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<v Speaker 1>living within an hour of that place did nothing, and

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<v Speaker 1>that little girl who was sick had nowhere to sleep,

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<v Speaker 1>Like this guy took it upon himself to help, even

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<v Speaker 1>when he himself was in a difficult place. And it

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<v Speaker 1>just really makes me kind of sick. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>this is where we're at now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, I mean it's it's it's a damning indictment

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<v Speaker 3>of the character of people who are the voter base

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<v Speaker 3>in this country. And it's a damning indictment of like

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<v Speaker 3>what particularly liberals in the left failed to stop because

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<v Speaker 3>this was this was a train that we could see

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<v Speaker 3>coming for a while, like the propaganda campaign against these folks, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and a necessary ingredient, and the Republicans getting their way

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<v Speaker 3>on this was democratic politicians and you know, to be

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<v Speaker 3>entirely fair, quite a few prominent thought leaders on the

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<v Speaker 3>left absolutely folding and not just not just failing to

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<v Speaker 3>like counterpoint this stuff, but like diving in on it

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<v Speaker 3>because they they either had prejudice of their own or

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<v Speaker 3>they saw it as like an opportunity. But like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the whole nativist deal is is just disgusting. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what else to say. I can't just

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<v Speaker 3>keep yelling about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's not all a slippery slope. And I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>saying that they're both as bad as each other, because

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening now is much worse than anything that happened previously.

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<v Speaker 1>But like, yes, when we could detain people, including little

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<v Speaker 1>chill outside and we could leave them there in the snow,

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<v Speaker 1>and like little babies could be shivering, and I could

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<v Speaker 1>be giving away my own coat almost every day I

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<v Speaker 1>was out there because I was worried someone's baby was

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<v Speaker 1>going to die of hypothermia, we kind of conceded that

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<v Speaker 1>these people didn't have rights, right and the Democratic Party

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<v Speaker 1>let that happen, and people on the left let that happen.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is a stepping stone on the pathway to

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<v Speaker 1>where we're at now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, just as like with all the shit that's that's

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<v Speaker 3>happening right now, like in terms of like the disappearing

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<v Speaker 3>of political opponents and whatnot, Like you can draw a

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<v Speaker 3>line from that from like the Patriot Act, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>from Obama targeting a US citizen in think Afghanistan, Like

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<v Speaker 3>there's all of these are Like obviously things were not

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<v Speaker 3>nearly as bad as they are right now in those administrations,

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<v Speaker 3>but like they're not unrelated. You know, this kind of

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<v Speaker 3>unitary executive theory is a through line through the last

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<v Speaker 3>several administrations, and if anyone had pushed back prior to

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<v Speaker 3>this point, Trump wouldn't be able to do a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of what he's doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. Now what we are doing is pivoting to ads. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>right now.

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<v Speaker 3>We're back and we're talking Ukraine Ukraine. I'm sorry that

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<v Speaker 3>I shouldn't Ukraine if you want to, Yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know why I did anyway. So, if you've been kind

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<v Speaker 3>of paying attention over the last month or so, we've

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<v Speaker 3>had a little odyssey in terms of US Russia Ukraine relations,

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<v Speaker 3>and the gist of it is that everybody claims to

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<v Speaker 3>want an end to the fighting. You know, at least

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<v Speaker 3>off and On. Putin has kind of like made some

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<v Speaker 3>motions to that has absolutely not acted as if this

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<v Speaker 3>is something he particularly cares about. Trump clearly does want

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<v Speaker 3>a ceasefire because he wants to be able to take

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<v Speaker 3>credit for it, and Zelensky also clearly once a ceasefire.

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<v Speaker 3>But there's been some kind of some pretty significant like

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<v Speaker 3>hold ups. One of them has been around Ukrainian minerals,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, in February, you had the administration talking

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<v Speaker 3>a lot about how the US was going to gain

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<v Speaker 3>control of Ukraine's minerals in order to pay us back

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<v Speaker 3>for our support of their war effort, and Zelensky drew

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<v Speaker 3>a very firm line, as he often does, like no,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to You're not just going to get

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<v Speaker 3>all of this, all of our country's minerals. And I

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<v Speaker 3>should note here that like this is a fairly significant

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<v Speaker 3>issue in global terms. It's estimated that Ukraine has about

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<v Speaker 3>five percent of the planet's critical raw materials, including massive

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<v Speaker 3>reserves of graphite. They're somewhere in like the top five

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<v Speaker 3>countries in terms of proven graphite reserves, which among other things,

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<v Speaker 3>is a critical ingredient for batteries in electric vehicles. They

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<v Speaker 3>supply about seven percent of Europe's titanium. They're home to

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<v Speaker 3>a third of European lithium deposits. This is not an

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<v Speaker 3>exhaustive list, that's just kind of, you know, to start

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<v Speaker 3>things off. And initially, when there was this kind of

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<v Speaker 3>pushback from Zelenski saying like no, you're not just going

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<v Speaker 3>to get all that, putin came in and was like, well, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we've occupied a bunch of Ukrainian land that

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<v Speaker 3>has raw minerals on it, will give those to you, right,

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<v Speaker 3>And so this went back and forth, and eventually Zolensky

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<v Speaker 3>and Trump's people put together like a deal that they

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<v Speaker 3>were supposed to sign earlier this month that was like

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<v Speaker 3>at actual like bilateral agreement on the use of Ukrainian minerals.

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<v Speaker 3>And essentially what it would have done is the deal

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<v Speaker 3>did call for Ukraine to use its mineral resources to

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<v Speaker 3>repay the United States to the tune of about half

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<v Speaker 3>a trillion dollars, but not in a manner like where

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<v Speaker 3>they were just handing us their minerals. Essentially, Ukraine would

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<v Speaker 3>contribute fifty percent of revenues earned from the future monetizationation

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<v Speaker 3>of government owned mineral resources and other natural resources. But

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<v Speaker 3>these were critically revenues earned from those resources like future modernization, right,

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<v Speaker 3>So new mines, new oil and gas plants not included

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<v Speaker 3>in this were like current reserves like actively being exploited

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<v Speaker 3>for profit. So kind of the key to this is that,

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<v Speaker 3>like mining is not something that you can turn around

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<v Speaker 3>on a dime. Generally, once you have actually proven you

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<v Speaker 3>know that you have sort of the reserves in an

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<v Speaker 3>area it takes about twenty years to actually get like

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<v Speaker 3>mines up and running, and you know, this is an

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<v Speaker 3>extremely expensive process. So one of the reasons why Ukraine

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<v Speaker 3>considered this a good deal for them is that we're

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<v Speaker 3>essentially putting a lot of those revenues in the hands

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<v Speaker 3>of the US. But it was revenues from minerals that

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<v Speaker 3>Ukraine was not currently exploiting and that the US would

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<v Speaker 3>help and provide funding to exploit. It was not just

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<v Speaker 3>paying back the US. It was something that would allow

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<v Speaker 3>the rebuilding of the Ukrainian economy post war. There were

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<v Speaker 3>some issues with this, including the fact that mining is

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<v Speaker 3>an extremely energy intensive task in Ukraine is in the

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<v Speaker 3>middle of an energy crisis at the minute. But among

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<v Speaker 3>other things, it would have brought the US in and

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<v Speaker 3>given them a financial stake and continued peace in the region,

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<v Speaker 3>which was seen as positive. That all blew up at

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<v Speaker 3>a White House meeting a couple of weeks ago, where,

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<v Speaker 3>if you remember, JD. Vance and Trump basically had a

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<v Speaker 3>little wwees SmackDown with Zelensky. It was a pretty ugly meeting,

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<v Speaker 3>and after that kind of talk of the bilateral mineral

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<v Speaker 3>deal faded significantly. Now, what's interesting is that just today

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<v Speaker 3>it's come out that Zelensky and Trump have had further

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<v Speaker 3>conversations and there's a new deal apparently on the table,

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<v Speaker 3>or at least the White House claimed that there was

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<v Speaker 3>a new deal on the table. Both the White House

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<v Speaker 3>and Zelensky's office said that it was a very positive,

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<v Speaker 3>productive meeting. There's some evidence that Zelensky, after that big

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<v Speaker 3>blow up, has been kind of doing the thing you've

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<v Speaker 3>got to do with Trump, which is like massage him

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<v Speaker 3>and say nice things to him so that he'll like

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<v Speaker 3>you more, and that Trump has gotten kind of frustrated

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<v Speaker 3>with the fact that Russia clearly has not been overly

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<v Speaker 3>motivated to move towards the ceasefire. But then, in the

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<v Speaker 3>middle of this meeting that everyone seems to agree went

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<v Speaker 3>really well, the White House comes out and says, and

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<v Speaker 3>we're working on an agreement where the US will control

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<v Speaker 3>all of Ukraine's nuclear reactors, and Ukraine came out and said, no,

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<v Speaker 3>we're not. Absolutely we did not say that that was

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<v Speaker 3>a deal. So I don't know what's actually going to

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<v Speaker 3>happen here. Ukraine is a massive like nuclear energy state,

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<v Speaker 3>in fact, the only European country that competes with them

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<v Speaker 3>or that is like on the same level as they

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<v Speaker 3>are in Europe in terms of nuclear industry is France,

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<v Speaker 3>they've got four nuclear power plants with fifteen reactors in total.

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<v Speaker 3>Now obviously like the Zapharizia plant is still under Russian control,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a significant chunk. It's like six of the

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen reactors in the country, and Ukraine is in the

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<v Speaker 3>process of building more. They've actively added capacity since the

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<v Speaker 3>end of the Soviet Union, and so one of the

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<v Speaker 3>promises for sort of future Ukrainian economic stability is that

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<v Speaker 3>they will be able to export nuclear energy to the

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<v Speaker 3>rest of Europe, which is also going through an energy crisis.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's unclear what's going to happen. There's definitely evidence

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<v Speaker 3>again that Zelensky has kind of figured out how to

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<v Speaker 3>massage Trump a little bit. There's a quote from an

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<v Speaker 3>article in The Conversation that I found very interesting here.

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<v Speaker 3>While Trump still leans towards putin, his relationship with Zelensky

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<v Speaker 3>seems to have improved. Ukrainian president appears to have learned

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<v Speaker 3>that Trump doesn't have a long memory and that flattery

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<v Speaker 3>goes a long way with the US president. Trump meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 3>is no longer calling Zelenski a dictator, and yet there

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<v Speaker 3>is no mention of halting US military aid or intelligence

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<v Speaker 3>to Ukraine. There's the opposite, in fact, as the US

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<v Speaker 3>has said it will assist in finding more patriot missile

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<v Speaker 3>defense systems after Zelenski mentioned they were sorely needed. By

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<v Speaker 3>giving Trump credit for the ceasefire initiative, Zelensky is putting

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<v Speaker 3>the ball in Russia's court, and his apparent receptiveness to

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<v Speaker 3>Trump's idea about the US taking over Ukraine's nuclear power

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<v Speaker 3>plants will appeal to Trump's transactional instincts in addition to

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<v Speaker 3>offering Trump business deals. And I don't fully know what

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<v Speaker 3>the conversation is saying here because Ukraine or Zelenski's office

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<v Speaker 3>has stated like we're not considering handing the US control.

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<v Speaker 3>I think this may be something like what happened with

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<v Speaker 3>the energy deal, where essentially what they talked about was

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<v Speaker 3>the US having a financial interest in the rebuilding an

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<v Speaker 3>expansion of the Ukrainian nuclear power grid, which would be

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<v Speaker 3>an extension of existing programs because Ukraine's nuclear power grid

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<v Speaker 3>is already very reliant on a US nuclear energy company, Westinghouse,

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<v Speaker 3>that provides both the raw fuel for nuclear reactors to

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<v Speaker 3>Ukraine and also provides a lot of like actual technology

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<v Speaker 3>for different kind of systems in the reactors. So I

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<v Speaker 3>kind of think that what's happening here is that basically

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<v Speaker 3>it was floated like, well, we can extend and expand

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<v Speaker 3>this deal, so the US will have a financial interest

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<v Speaker 3>in this potentially very large Ukrainian industry, and then Trump

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<v Speaker 3>and his people kind of took that and said to

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<v Speaker 3>everyone else, Yeah, the US is going to be in

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<v Speaker 3>charge of Ukraine's nuclear power. That's my best guess for

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<v Speaker 3>what happened here.

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<v Speaker 4>It really seems like we're relearning one of the last

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<v Speaker 4>lessons in the administration, which is if you can be

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<v Speaker 4>the last person in the room with Trump, you can

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<v Speaker 4>put what he does.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, yeah, I Mia, do you want to do a

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<v Speaker 2>tariff talk?

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<v Speaker 3>Wait? Wait, did you say tariffs, Garrison or did you

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<v Speaker 3>say rocking, rocking jaspot Sorry, locking jas locking jaspot Ah.

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<v Speaker 3>God feels good every time. Okay, miya, sorry, you can

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<v Speaker 3>talk about the actual news. Now, let's do this.

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<v Speaker 4>So the news we have today is that effectively every

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<v Speaker 4>single thing I have talked about on tariff talk before

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<v Speaker 4>this is just the fucking prelude you know, and though

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<v Speaker 4>those have been very very extreme tariffs, but these are

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<v Speaker 4>effectively going to be looked back on as the opening

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<v Speaker 4>series of skirmishes and sort of probing defenses. On April seconds,

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<v Speaker 4>Trump is going to crash the entire world economy. He

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<v Speaker 4>is calling this Liberation Day. On April second, he is

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<v Speaker 4>planning to impose reciprocal tariffs on every single country on Earth.

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<v Speaker 3>Finally, you know what, I'm completely on board. As long

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<v Speaker 3>as we're finally sticking it to those snotty fucks in Oman,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, then everything's good. It's about goddamn time.

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<v Speaker 4>Now I'm gonna take a fucking victory lap here because

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<v Speaker 4>I have been talking about this for a very very

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<v Speaker 4>long time. I talked about this last year. I talked

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<v Speaker 4>about this the beginning of last year, talked about this

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<v Speaker 4>the end of last year. The entire media seems to

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<v Speaker 4>have short of forgotten about this until they all suddenly

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<v Speaker 4>remembered this week that Trump had promised to do reciprocal tariffs.

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<v Speaker 4>So what reciprocal tariffs are in theory is, if there's

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<v Speaker 4>a tariff on something and I from another country, the

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<v Speaker 4>US matches it. So the way the Trump administration thinks

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<v Speaker 4>about tariffs is deeply weird. So they're including things like

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<v Speaker 4>value added taxes on goods in countries.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, which is like a sales yeah, packs in the US.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, But also like subsidies and also and this

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<v Speaker 4>is the part that has gotten less things, but quote

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<v Speaker 4>unquote currency manipulation. Now, how the fuck do you do

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<v Speaker 4>you calculate that for literally every single country on Earth?

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<v Speaker 4>Who knows Business Insider has some reporting on this where

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<v Speaker 4>where they talked to some insiders and okay, so literally

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<v Speaker 4>there are not enough people working on tariffs to like

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<v Speaker 4>calculate out individual teriffras for every single country on Earth.

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<v Speaker 4>It looks like the plan right now when this is

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<v Speaker 4>also just to change because again this is Trump administration,

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<v Speaker 4>and who the fuck knows what they're gonna be saying

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<v Speaker 4>or doing in two weeks. But what we know right

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<v Speaker 4>now is it looks like they're going to separate every

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<v Speaker 4>country on Earth into three tiers of tariffs. So it's

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<v Speaker 4>going to be like a low tier, a mid tier,

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<v Speaker 4>and a high tier, and it's unclear exactly what levels

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<v Speaker 4>they're going to be. These are going to be on

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<v Speaker 4>top of all of the additional tariffs that they've already imposed.

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<v Speaker 4>So say, for example, trying gets put into high tier one,

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<v Speaker 4>they put like a fifty percent tariff on it. That

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<v Speaker 4>means a terifra it is going to be seventy percent

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<v Speaker 4>because there's already twenty percent tariffs on their business. Insider

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<v Speaker 4>seem to think twenty percent is like the low one.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know about that. I think they're going to

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<v Speaker 4>be pretty high. We have no idea. And again, so

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<v Speaker 4>what's happening here is Trump is declaring this Liberation Day

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<v Speaker 4>because he has convinced himself. I think I finally understand

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<v Speaker 4>what's going on in his brain, which is that he

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<v Speaker 4>has convinced himself that like, if you have a trade

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<v Speaker 4>deficit with a country, that means the country's robbing you.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, yes, yes, again. Trump's firm, lifelong belief is that

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<v Speaker 3>if you are selling something, you've won, and if you're

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<v Speaker 3>buying something, you have lost.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, this is not how international trade works at all

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<v Speaker 4>for the US. Like the entire US Empire, absolutely, the

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<v Speaker 4>entire US Empire is based on outsourcing a bunch of

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<v Speaker 4>political violence to other countries so you can buy goods

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<v Speaker 4>at cheap rates, right, Like, that's that's that's that's what

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<v Speaker 4>the empire is.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we love buying things. It's the entire basis of

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<v Speaker 3>our civilization.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, The reason Jeffrey Bezos was that the inaugration

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<v Speaker 1>is because we like to be buying.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yeah, and so is something I mentioned, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>back back when I was talking about this in the

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<v Speaker 4>Terriff episode right after the election, is that the thing

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<v Speaker 4>about reciprocal tariffs, right, is that it means that if

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<v Speaker 4>if anyone attempts to to fight a trade war with

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<v Speaker 4>the US, so another country imposes twenty percent tariffs, the

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<v Speaker 4>US will also impost twenty percent terriffs, and this just

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<v Speaker 4>spirals out of control into a version of a trade

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<v Speaker 4>war so unhinged, like none of us have ever seen

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<v Speaker 4>anything like in our lifetimes.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, brother, yeah, that's coming.

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<v Speaker 4>We have We now have April second as the day

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<v Speaker 4>everything explodes. I also want to want to put like

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<v Speaker 4>another note here. The hope has always been from a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of countries and a lot of the financial markets

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<v Speaker 4>and bunch companies that these tariffs are going to have

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<v Speaker 4>more exemptions, because there were some exemptions on stuff in

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<v Speaker 4>the initial tariffs on Mexico and Canada.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and he kept going back and forth right.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but now we're getting into terroifts with which you

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<v Speaker 4>have no exceptions. The steel and aluminum tariffs have had

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<v Speaker 4>no exemptions at all. What we've been hearing, so one

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<v Speaker 4>of the things I've been noting is that Canada and

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<v Speaker 4>EU have been basically mobilizing in the trade war and

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<v Speaker 4>imposing reciprocal terroists in the US. China has two, Mexico

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<v Speaker 4>has not. Apparently Mexico still thinks that they can negotiate

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<v Speaker 4>to be in like the lowest tier of tariffs. This

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<v Speaker 4>won't completely destroy their economy. Fuck if I know why

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<v Speaker 4>they think that, but who knows. Yeah, but that's the fact.

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<v Speaker 4>That's effectively the tariff news we have Right now, we

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<v Speaker 4>have again April second, quote unquote Liberation Day, the day

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<v Speaker 4>that this all goes into effect. I bet they wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to do April first and realize that they couldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>No, Yeah, I didn't think that.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 3>Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump announced this during his Joint Congressional address, and he

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<v Speaker 2>openly said that he originally wanted to do it on

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<v Speaker 2>April first, at the start of the month, but decided

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<v Speaker 2>not to because he is too superstitious as a person. So, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>originally they were going to be on April first, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they pushed him back to April second because they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want it to be on April Fool's Day.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good. That's a good way.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's a great, great extra insight into the mind

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<v Speaker 2>of the US God King.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, let's go on ad break and then come back

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<v Speaker 2>to discuss all of the other bad things that are

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<v Speaker 2>happening in the country.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, we're back.

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<v Speaker 2>The first thing I want to kind of open to

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<v Speaker 2>a group discussion on is that On Tuesday, March eighteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>the federal judge issued a preliminary injunction blocking Trump's ban

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<v Speaker 2>on trans people serving in the military, ruling that the

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<v Speaker 2>blanket ban likely violates constitutional right of Steven Miller responded

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<v Speaker 2>to the ruling by writing, District court judges have now

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<v Speaker 2>decided that they are in command of the armed forces?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there no end to this madness?

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<v Speaker 3>God?

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck?

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<v Speaker 4>So.

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<v Speaker 2>I know this is a topic that we've discussed a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>As you know, we're not all big US military defenders.

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<v Speaker 3>No, but it's mostly done bad stuff in my lifetime.

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<v Speaker 2>But we still take like almost like an ontological issue

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<v Speaker 2>with this band because it essentially creates just a secondary

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<v Speaker 2>class of citizen with fundamentally different rights from the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of everyone else, and that is never a good thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, so right now, one of the semi positive

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<v Speaker 3>news stories is that Trump's ATF is going to be

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<v Speaker 3>for the first time restoring people's Second Amendment rights who

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<v Speaker 3>had them taken away because they were involuntarily institutionalized. And

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen a lot of liberals being like, oh, they're

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<v Speaker 3>just gonna let more crazy people have guns. This is bad,

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<v Speaker 3>and like, I have to disagree whether or not you

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<v Speaker 3>like it. The Second Amendment is a fundamental right under

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<v Speaker 3>the Constitution, and it's bad to say that this class

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<v Speaker 3>of people forever lose a fundamental right because they're involuntarily institutionalized.

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<v Speaker 3>That's bad. And likewise, even if you hate the US

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<v Speaker 3>military's role in US imperialism, which fine enough, the right

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<v Speaker 3>to serve in an integrated military has been a major

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<v Speaker 3>underpinning of most of the civil rights movements, like a

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<v Speaker 3>foundational depending of most civil rights movements in this country's history,

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<v Speaker 3>going back to the Civil War, you know, Black civil rights,

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<v Speaker 3>including LGBTQ rights, and including women's rights. Right, It's like

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<v Speaker 3>it is significant, and so the fact that the GOP

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<v Speaker 3>is attempting to peel this back and essentially reverse integration

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<v Speaker 3>of the military is bad for two reasons. One, it represents,

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<v Speaker 3>as you've said, creating separate classes of people and peeling

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<v Speaker 3>fundamental what are considered under the law in this country,

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<v Speaker 3>fundamental rights away from groups of people. And it's also

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<v Speaker 3>just dangerous for them to remake the military into an

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<v Speaker 3>all white organization, right, like all white male organization. There's

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<v Speaker 3>a reason why that's also dangerous to you. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I think people should care about this, even if they're

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<v Speaker 3>you know, leftists.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And like, especially in this country, the military represents

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<v Speaker 1>one of the few social mobility tools that exist. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>People don't just join the military because they, country, to

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<v Speaker 1>what you might have seen on Twitter dot com, want

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<v Speaker 1>to go to Middle East and kill people. Sometimes they

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<v Speaker 1>do it because they want to get a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>go to education. Sometimes they want to do it so

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<v Speaker 1>they get a chance to have healthcare. Yep. And like

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<v Speaker 1>trans people serve at a higher rate. Then it says

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<v Speaker 1>people that may not be the case for very much longer.

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<v Speaker 1>By it like that has been the case, and they

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<v Speaker 1>have rights to use however they want. They don't just

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<v Speaker 1>have rights to use how you will II or anyone

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<v Speaker 1>else would like them to use well.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's also a broad truth. For the US military,

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<v Speaker 3>members of my marginalized groups have always served at a

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<v Speaker 3>higher rate than basically anyone else. This includes like Native

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<v Speaker 3>Americans serve at a higher proportion of like their population

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<v Speaker 3>within the country than most other groups, in part because traditionally,

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<v Speaker 3>serving in the military was a way in which to

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<v Speaker 3>gain acceptance and entrance into American society.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also just like another world, like you can field

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<v Speaker 2>in some ways, like insulated from like yes, the hoarders

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<v Speaker 2>you might experience in like regular suburban life oddly enough, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>To weigh out of the isolation that so many people

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<v Speaker 1>experience in the world.

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<v Speaker 5>And like, is it extremely bad that the way that

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<v Speaker 5>you enter your into American society is by being a

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<v Speaker 5>part of the imperial war machine? Yes?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, But also the war machine is going to be

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<v Speaker 4>there whether you are in it or not.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And the actual fundamental important thing here is again what

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<v Speaker 4>we've been saying is that like the fundamental basis of

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<v Speaker 4>liberal democracy, going back to the American Revolution, going back

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<v Speaker 4>to the French Revolution, going back to like the original

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<v Speaker 4>liberal revolutions, the fundamental principle of is that everyone is

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<v Speaker 4>equal before the law, and the moment that ceases to

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<v Speaker 4>be true, and it has not been true in this

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<v Speaker 4>country ever, but you know, we're seeing increasing numbers of

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<v Speaker 4>people who are not considered equal before the law. We

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<v Speaker 4>just spent this entire fucking like first part of this

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<v Speaker 4>episode talking about what happens when people are considered to

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<v Speaker 4>have no protections under the law, which at the state

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<v Speaker 4>can just fucking black bag you and send you to

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<v Speaker 4>a gulag.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, like that is bad.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, that's what's that fundamentally at stake here, not like

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<v Speaker 4>whether you think the army is good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and imagine for those people, Like when they people

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<v Speaker 1>could have served nineteen years, right, they could have been

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<v Speaker 1>just about to get their twenty years and get their

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<v Speaker 1>retirement and will now not get that. Like they they

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<v Speaker 1>signed up expecting a thing, right, Like there was a

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<v Speaker 1>quid pro quote there that they would give twenty years

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<v Speaker 1>of their life and possibly a lot of their health

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<v Speaker 1>to the United States government and in return they will get

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<v Speaker 1>health care and a pentrum for the rest of their lives.

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<v Speaker 1>And people are now going to lose that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. In some related news, the VA just announced that

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<v Speaker 2>quote effective immediately. The VA will not offer cross sex

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<v Speaker 2>hormone therapy to veterans who have a current diagnosis or

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<v Speaker 2>history of, or exhibit symptoms consistent with gender dysphoria unless

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<v Speaker 2>such veterans are already receiving such care from the VA,

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<v Speaker 2>or such veterans we're receiving such care from the military

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<v Speaker 2>as a part of and upon their separation from the

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<v Speaker 2>military service, and are eligible for VA healthcare. So basically

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<v Speaker 2>they will not be emitting like new patients to receive

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<v Speaker 2>gender affirming healthcare.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, unless there's sist gender it seems like oh yes, correct, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's just basically assists, men can still receive gender

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<v Speaker 1>affirming hormones.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, be Like I kind of get annoyed when people

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<v Speaker 2>do that, like comparisons, like that's never like we're falling

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<v Speaker 2>into this artro trap off, like we're actually using words

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<v Speaker 2>to mean what they mean and like they're not using

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<v Speaker 2>words like that, you know, like whenever people like laugh

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<v Speaker 2>about haha, they banned pronouns at school. Now now you

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<v Speaker 2>can't say the word and you're like no, like come out,

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<v Speaker 2>like what like that's not what they mean? Like you

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<v Speaker 2>have to understand, like the dog whistles that they're using.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It. I find it interesting though that they seemingly

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<v Speaker 1>like you've tried to even get around like that like

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<v Speaker 1>linguistic thing in the statement.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure me like it if it's what you mean by

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<v Speaker 2>gender dysphoria, right, Like you could theoretically you could have

0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:20.480
<v Speaker 2>gender ysphoria because your assists male and you want to

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<v Speaker 2>become more masculine, right, Like all all of these diagnoses

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<v Speaker 2>have like a very fuzzy ontological underpinning. Right, these are

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<v Speaker 2>just categories that we're projecting. Yes, but this is you know,

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<v Speaker 2>probably not great. It's probably isn't a good thing. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>for instance, if you already have VIA healthcare, you're not

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<v Speaker 2>in the military anymore, and now you decide that you

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<v Speaker 2>would like to receive gender affirming healthcare, now you can't

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<v Speaker 2>at least through the VA.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>So as a as a related thing, let's see, I

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<v Speaker 2>think we should kind of close with or like bookend

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<v Speaker 2>our discussion on like like the immigration stuff and the

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<v Speaker 2>black baggings and deportations which have been happening. A German

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<v Speaker 2>immigrant named Fabian Schmidt, who has lived in the States.

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<v Speaker 3>With the green card the German name Beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>Since two thousand and eight, so like he's lived here

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<v Speaker 2>quite a while. He immigrated with his mom. He was

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<v Speaker 2>detained and tortured at the Boston Logan Airport upon returning

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<v Speaker 2>from a visit to Europe. The man's mother says that

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<v Speaker 2>he was quote unquote violently interrogated at the Logan airport

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<v Speaker 2>for hours and was stripped naked, put in a cold

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<v Speaker 2>shower by two officials, and pushed back into an interrogation chair.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to quote from w GBH quote. She said.

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<v Speaker 2>Schmid told her immigration agents pressured him to give up

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<v Speaker 2>his green card. She said he was placed on a

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<v Speaker 2>mat in a bright room with other people at the

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<v Speaker 2>airport with little food or water, suffered sleep deprivation, and

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<v Speaker 2>was denied access to his medication for anxiety and depression.

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<v Speaker 2>He hardly got anything to drink, and then he wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>feeling very well and he collapsed, said a senior, which

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<v Speaker 2>is his mom. He was transported by ambulance to mass

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<v Speaker 2>General Hospital. He didn't know it at the time, but

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<v Speaker 2>he also had the flu unquote. Now, Schmid has since

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<v Speaker 2>been transferred to multiple ice facilities. He had a misdemeanor

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<v Speaker 2>charge for marijuana possession in California back in twenty fifteen,

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<v Speaker 2>but that charge was dismissed the following year due to

0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:12.640
<v Speaker 2>changes in state law. But I think that this incident

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<v Speaker 2>may have flagged Schmidt on the customs and border protections

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<v Speaker 2>like database and Hillary Beckham, CBP's Assistant Commissioner for Public Affairs,

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<v Speaker 2>gave a short statement reading, quote, when an individual is

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<v Speaker 2>found with drug related charges and tries to re enter

0:35:27.120 --> 0:35:32.480
<v Speaker 2>the country, officers will take proper action unquote. But essentially

0:35:32.560 --> 0:35:35.719
<v Speaker 2>they like tortured, black bagged this person who's had a

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<v Speaker 2>green card for like almost two decades for a dismissed

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<v Speaker 2>marijuana charge like ten years ago. This is like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like a very white man like Fabian Schmidt. Yeah, like

0:35:47.040 --> 0:35:50.480
<v Speaker 2>this is this is super freaky stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we should say that a lot of that stuff

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<v Speaker 1>is not particularly unusual and nice attention lights being all

0:35:56.480 --> 0:35:59.600
<v Speaker 1>the time not being given bettying, but like being shaved

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<v Speaker 1>into a that.

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<v Speaker 2>Was at the airport, they say, like like being being

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<v Speaker 2>interrogated at like.

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<v Speaker 1>At the airport this is a new one.

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<v Speaker 2>And like being forced to like forcibly like give up

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<v Speaker 2>your green card during this like interrogation session at that

0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:17.759
<v Speaker 2>very same airport, Like I think just maybe like a

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<v Speaker 2>day or so later. A Lebanese doctor and professor at

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<v Speaker 2>Brown University, Russia, Alweya, was deported this weekend after traveling

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<v Speaker 2>to Beirut to visit family and attend the public funeral

0:36:29.600 --> 0:36:33.360
<v Speaker 2>of Hassan Nashraala. Upon a return to the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>she was detained at the Boston Airport, had her H

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<v Speaker 2>one B visa revoked, and was deported on a plane

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<v Speaker 2>to France on Friday, March fourteenth, before she could attend

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<v Speaker 2>her in person hearing that following Monday. According to court documents,

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<v Speaker 2>her deportation was prompted by deleted pictures on her phone

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<v Speaker 2>of like Shia Muslim figures like Neshraala and the Ayatola,

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<v Speaker 2>another very very frightening incident. In those documents, it's unclear

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<v Speaker 2>how Customs and Border Protection was viewing deleted photos on

0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:06.680
<v Speaker 2>her phone or like like like like open of her

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<v Speaker 2>phone right because like if you recently deleted a photo,

0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:11.440
<v Speaker 2>it is still contained in your recently deleted folder, assuming

0:37:11.440 --> 0:37:14.800
<v Speaker 2>you have like an iPhone or equivalent. But it's unknown

0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:17.359
<v Speaker 2>how they got into her phone, if she like let

0:37:17.400 --> 0:37:20.440
<v Speaker 2>them look through it, or if they used one of

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<v Speaker 2>like a many like.

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<v Speaker 1>Phone breakaway, see or whatever. Yeah, but I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think it is interesting that this is at the same

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<v Speaker 2>airport to you know, slightly related incidents.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, we've seen that a lot with like in

0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:37.839
<v Speaker 1>the similar cases people crossing the land border's Santy seedro both.

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<v Speaker 1>I think a Canadian and German citizen were both detained,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a San Diego county. It's not familiar. It

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<v Speaker 1>seems like there's some kind of policy at certain border

0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:51.000
<v Speaker 1>crossings or maybe, like the person in chides, Yeah, I

0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:53.320
<v Speaker 1>was saying, do this, you know, detain people of this

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<v Speaker 1>anything on their record at all.

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<v Speaker 4>Well so so, and there's another case of this that's similar,

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<v Speaker 4>where a French researcher who to best of mine is

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<v Speaker 4>unnamed so far, was randomly pulled aside for a stop

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<v Speaker 4>at George Bush International Airport in Houston, which is sort

0:38:07.320 --> 0:38:10.280
<v Speaker 4>of fitting for all of this. George Bush has gotta

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<v Speaker 4>be fucking creaming his pants thinking about all this black

0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:15.919
<v Speaker 4>bag and shit. But yeah, I was randomly pulled over

0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:18.600
<v Speaker 4>and they found anti Trump text on his phone and

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<v Speaker 4>immediately deported him. This is a guy who was visiting

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<v Speaker 4>the US, like I think they go to a conference

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<v Speaker 4>and the border patrol is arguing that anti Trump texts

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<v Speaker 4>are considered terrorism, which is great, or the text that

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<v Speaker 4>they found are like could be like the anti Trump

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<v Speaker 4>ness of it can be considered terroristic, so that's bad.

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<v Speaker 4>There was yet another case, which is a slightly different one,

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<v Speaker 4>which is Buttercon Surrey, who is a postoc at Georgetown

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<v Speaker 4>who was detained and sent to an immigration facility, who's

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<v Speaker 4>here teaching. He's a postdoc at Georgetown on a student

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<v Speaker 4>visa who has been sent to an immigration facility based

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<v Speaker 4>on basically a right wing panic about his wife, his

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<v Speaker 4>wife's father being Hamas. And because of this, he's been

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<v Speaker 4>black bagged in a way very similar to Mak mckhalil. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>now Georgetown is backing him on this, but this is

0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:11.040
<v Speaker 4>you know this, this this is another one of these

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<v Speaker 4>fucking blackpaggings that they're just doing now with someone who

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<v Speaker 4>is here on a student visa who has committed no crime,

0:39:16.719 --> 0:39:19.480
<v Speaker 4>who Georgetown was like, has committed no crime. And again

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<v Speaker 4>also even if he've committed a crime, this is fucking horseship.

0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:24.560
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, all of these things are just continuing to

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<v Speaker 4>ramp up, and they're getting Boulder and Boulder.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Robert, do you wanna Do you want to read

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<v Speaker 2>a select paragraph or two from a from Khalil's first

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<v Speaker 2>like public statement.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so he he put out a letter a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of days before we recorded this, and you should really

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<v Speaker 3>read the whole thing if you just google Mahmood Khalil letter.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think the exact title is my name

0:39:49.280 --> 0:39:52.960
<v Speaker 3>is Mahmoud Khalil and I am a political prisoner, which

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<v Speaker 3>is the first sentence of the letter. But I want

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<v Speaker 3>to read this little bit of him talking about his arrest.

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<v Speaker 3>On March eighth, I was taken by DHS agents who

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<v Speaker 3>refused to provide a warrant and accosted my wife and

0:40:06.280 --> 0:40:08.880
<v Speaker 3>me as we returned from dinner. By now, the footage

0:40:08.880 --> 0:40:10.879
<v Speaker 3>of that night has been made public. Before I knew

0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:13.360
<v Speaker 3>it was happening, agents handcuffed and forced me into an

0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:16.080
<v Speaker 3>unmarked car. At that moment, my only concern was for

0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:18.840
<v Speaker 3>Newer's safety. I had no idea if she would be

0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:21.319
<v Speaker 3>taken too, since the agents had threatened to arrest her

0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:24.200
<v Speaker 3>for not leaving my side. DHS would not tell me

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<v Speaker 3>anything for hours. I did not know the cause of

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<v Speaker 3>my arrest or if I was facing immediate deportation. At

0:40:29.520 --> 0:40:32.200
<v Speaker 3>twenty six Federal Plaza. I slept on the cold floor

0:40:32.320 --> 0:40:35.040
<v Speaker 3>in the early morning hours. Agents transported me to another

0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:38.160
<v Speaker 3>facility in Elizabeth, New Jersey. There, I slept on the

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<v Speaker 3>ground and was refused a blanket despite my request. My

0:40:41.600 --> 0:40:44.440
<v Speaker 3>arrest was a direct consequence of exercising my right to

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<v Speaker 3>free speech as I advocated for a free Palestine and

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<v Speaker 3>an end to the genocide in Gaza, which resumed in

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<v Speaker 3>full force Monday night. With January ceasefire now broken, parents

0:40:53.440 --> 0:40:56.040
<v Speaker 3>in Gaza are once again cradling two small shrouds, and

0:40:56.120 --> 0:40:59.440
<v Speaker 3>families are forced to waste starvation and displacement against bombs.

0:40:59.760 --> 0:41:02.480
<v Speaker 3>Is moral imperative to persist in the struggle for their

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<v Speaker 3>complete freedom. And again I really recommend reading the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's very good.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I get so particularly upset that Trump's admin

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<v Speaker 2>uses like this, like vague anti semitism justification for for

0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:24.480
<v Speaker 2>for some of these actions, at least because the head

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<v Speaker 2>of Trump's Anti Semitism task Force just last week retweeted

0:41:29.800 --> 0:41:34.200
<v Speaker 2>Patrick Casey, who is from the American Identity Movement, a

0:41:34.320 --> 0:41:37.399
<v Speaker 2>leading alt right figure who was at Charlottesville, to quote

0:41:37.400 --> 0:41:40.680
<v Speaker 2>Shane Burley. This tweet that was reposted by the head

0:41:40.719 --> 0:41:44.240
<v Speaker 2>of this anti semitism task force claimed that quote Trump

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<v Speaker 2>has the ability to revoke someone's Jew card.

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<v Speaker 5>It's absolutely horrible.

0:41:49.320 --> 0:41:50.560
<v Speaker 3>Are are we serious here?

0:41:50.640 --> 0:41:56.319
<v Speaker 2>It's like unbelievable, unbelievable amounts of anti semitism spread by

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<v Speaker 2>the person who leads the federal task force to calm

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<v Speaker 2>back to anti semitism.

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<v Speaker 4>Great, yeah, And going back to Columbia for a second.

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<v Speaker 4>One of the other things that's been happening is that

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<v Speaker 4>Trump threatened Columbia with the loss of four hundred million

0:42:09.640 --> 0:42:12.120
<v Speaker 4>dollars in government contracts unless they give in to a

0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:14.160
<v Speaker 4>bunch of Trump's demands. So Trump wants them to ban

0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:16.960
<v Speaker 4>masks on campuses, allow campus cops to do more violence

0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:20.480
<v Speaker 4>against student protesters, and expel like protesters who occupy buildings.

0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:23.360
<v Speaker 4>The president is supposed to get control of all discipline

0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:26.239
<v Speaker 4>and can expel and suspend students, and they want to

0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:28.680
<v Speaker 4>crack down student groups they want and this is also

0:42:28.840 --> 0:42:30.680
<v Speaker 4>a tie into the other thing. They want the IHR

0:42:30.960 --> 0:42:35.360
<v Speaker 4>definition of anti semitism and like specifically, the Trump's like

0:42:35.520 --> 0:42:38.440
<v Speaker 4>letter to them specifically says like classifying anti Zionism as

0:42:38.440 --> 0:42:42.000
<v Speaker 4>anti Semitism, And they want to put the Middle East,

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<v Speaker 4>South Asian, and African studies departments in academic receivership, which

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<v Speaker 4>means stripping away power from the faculty and giving it

0:42:47.320 --> 0:42:49.920
<v Speaker 4>to someone outside these Yeah, Columbia is about to give

0:42:49.920 --> 0:42:51.719
<v Speaker 4>into these demands. It seems like they want to try

0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:54.200
<v Speaker 4>to find another word other than academic receivership, but they're

0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:56.840
<v Speaker 4>just going to fucking do it. So and Trump have

0:42:57.000 --> 0:42:59.040
<v Speaker 4>legal authority to do this, No, obviously not, But you know,

0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:01.080
<v Speaker 4>does he have the moral authority? There's no, obviously not

0:43:01.320 --> 0:43:02.200
<v Speaker 4>like this guy is.

0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:05.080
<v Speaker 3>But none of those are important. He has guys with guns. No,

0:43:05.200 --> 0:43:07.319
<v Speaker 3>That's what it always comes down to. And then any

0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:10.839
<v Speaker 3>one who forgets that is only hurting themselves.

0:43:11.400 --> 0:43:13.800
<v Speaker 4>Like yeah, and so he's also doing this thing of

0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:15.919
<v Speaker 4>like attempting basically to dismantle a bunch of the higher

0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:18.759
<v Speaker 4>education institutions in this country unless they become just pure

0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:21.200
<v Speaker 4>right wing sort of laboratories. And another example of this

0:43:21.400 --> 0:43:24.480
<v Speaker 4>is as the news stories about Columbia, we're coming out

0:43:24.600 --> 0:43:26.759
<v Speaker 4>like Columbia trying to take the deal. We're coming out

0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:29.080
<v Speaker 4>The University of Pennsylvania is good about to lose one

0:43:29.120 --> 0:43:31.440
<v Speaker 4>hundred and seventy five million dollars of funding for allowing

0:43:31.520 --> 0:43:35.440
<v Speaker 4>Leah Thomas, a trans swimmer, to swim for their college.

0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:38.680
<v Speaker 4>So this is just going to be a giant sort

0:43:38.680 --> 0:43:41.319
<v Speaker 4>of battering ram that Trump is going to use to

0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:46.600
<v Speaker 4>just basically obliterate the education system and like impose whatever

0:43:46.719 --> 0:43:49.560
<v Speaker 4>unhinged right wing thing that he wants to impose.

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<v Speaker 2>And we will talk more about his efforts to destroy

0:43:52.640 --> 0:43:56.200
<v Speaker 2>the education system next week on our next episode of

0:43:56.440 --> 0:43:59.600
<v Speaker 2>ED As says he is continuing to prep an executive

0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:04.000
<v Speaker 2>order to abolish the Department of Education. And there's plenty

0:44:04.000 --> 0:44:08.279
<v Speaker 2>of other news, including the federal judge confrontations, that we

0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:12.120
<v Speaker 2>will also report on next week. But before we leave today,

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<v Speaker 2>Mia has a brief note on the bird flu. With Flitch,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure will be fine. Frankly, I'm still eating eggs,

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<v Speaker 2>but Mia.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, so as as people there with the boyd flu.

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<v Speaker 2>So the thing.

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<v Speaker 4>The thing about chickens is that they're dying from bird

0:44:25.880 --> 0:44:28.440
<v Speaker 4>flu right now. This has killed an enormous number of chickens.

0:44:28.440 --> 0:44:30.839
<v Speaker 4>This is part of why egg prices are so high.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

0:44:31.600 --> 0:44:32.960
<v Speaker 4>This is a problem that a lot of countries have

0:44:33.000 --> 0:44:34.800
<v Speaker 4>dealt with. China has dealt with this by just fucking

0:44:34.840 --> 0:44:39.200
<v Speaker 4>vaccinating their chickens. The Biden administration refused to vaccinate chickens

0:44:39.239 --> 0:44:41.799
<v Speaker 4>because it would cost money and because it might make

0:44:41.840 --> 0:44:43.319
<v Speaker 4>it harder for us to export their.

0:44:43.280 --> 0:44:45.360
<v Speaker 5>Chickens, So that was bad.

0:44:45.800 --> 0:44:49.000
<v Speaker 4>RFK Junior literally just wants to let the bird flu

0:44:49.080 --> 0:44:50.880
<v Speaker 4>rip and kill all the birds and thinks that the

0:44:50.880 --> 0:44:53.239
<v Speaker 4>healthy birds will survive. And those healthy birds.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, he's immunity.

0:44:57.520 --> 0:44:59.319
<v Speaker 4>He has a heard immediity guy for COVID because he's

0:44:59.320 --> 0:45:02.000
<v Speaker 4>a human eugenics. He's also a chicken eye genesist. Now

0:45:02.480 --> 0:45:05.560
<v Speaker 4>I'm specifically doing this because I read multiple virologists reading

0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:08.000
<v Speaker 4>about this or writing about this. I talked to virologists,

0:45:08.000 --> 0:45:11.280
<v Speaker 4>and the virologists all basically said, if you were trying

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<v Speaker 4>to design a way to make the bird flu like

0:45:16.360 --> 0:45:18.360
<v Speaker 4>move like a mutate in such a way that it

0:45:18.400 --> 0:45:20.359
<v Speaker 4>moves from birds to humans, this is what you would do.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, great, so and again cool. The death rate of

0:45:24.640 --> 0:45:29.880
<v Speaker 3>this thing is in a completely different category from fucking COVID.

0:45:30.000 --> 0:45:34.640
<v Speaker 3>It makes COVID look like having a mild case of allergies,

0:45:35.000 --> 0:45:41.400
<v Speaker 3>like staggeringly lethal and like it cannot overstate how disastrous

0:45:41.440 --> 0:45:42.040
<v Speaker 3>this would be.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and COVID code more than a million Americans, like

0:45:45.000 --> 0:45:46.560
<v Speaker 1>fifteen case people have memory.

0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:49.919
<v Speaker 3>Hold that yeah right now, current rates when it has

0:45:50.000 --> 0:45:53.239
<v Speaker 3>reached humans as about a fifty percent fatality rate. They

0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:55.880
<v Speaker 3>thought initially that they were missing a lot of cases

0:45:55.920 --> 0:45:58.360
<v Speaker 3>and that it was much lower, but like the current

0:45:58.400 --> 0:46:01.960
<v Speaker 3>research points to suggests that that is not the case,

0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:05.920
<v Speaker 3>that it is actually somewhere in that range of lethality.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I'm still eating my chicken, tartar. I don't know

0:46:09.960 --> 0:46:11.560
<v Speaker 2>why everyone's so worried about it.

0:46:12.640 --> 0:46:17.040
<v Speaker 3>And again we don't know that like the version that

0:46:17.239 --> 0:46:20.320
<v Speaker 3>actually is able to jump from human to human after

0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:23.280
<v Speaker 3>jumping from bird to human would be that lethal because

0:46:23.320 --> 0:46:24.799
<v Speaker 3>that doesn't exist quite yet.

0:46:24.960 --> 0:46:28.400
<v Speaker 2>Probably, Yeah, but this is how we find out, but.

0:46:28.719 --> 0:46:30.520
<v Speaker 3>We really don't want to find out.

0:46:31.080 --> 0:46:33.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I look, if you don't want to find out,

0:46:33.400 --> 0:46:34.600
<v Speaker 4>we have to find a way to get our k

0:46:34.760 --> 0:46:36.280
<v Speaker 4>junior out of that fucking office.

0:46:36.719 --> 0:46:40.080
<v Speaker 3>Like again, I think if we we really need to

0:46:40.120 --> 0:46:42.880
<v Speaker 3>have a lot of different farmers set up photo ops

0:46:42.880 --> 0:46:45.400
<v Speaker 3>with him where he is just covered in birds. We

0:46:45.440 --> 0:46:48.760
<v Speaker 3>need to have that man in constant physical contact with chicken.

0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:51.600
<v Speaker 3>It would do it and the problem will eventually solve it.

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<v Speaker 5>We could convince him to eat raw chicken. We could

0:46:54.040 --> 0:46:54.920
<v Speaker 5>definitely do it.

0:46:54.800 --> 0:46:59.440
<v Speaker 3>Sure, yes, absolutely raw, eat them, cuddle them, sleep with

0:46:59.520 --> 0:47:02.120
<v Speaker 3>them at night eight just kind of stand on a

0:47:02.160 --> 0:47:03.280
<v Speaker 3>pile of their corpses.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, all right, if you are a chicken, or

0:47:06.560 --> 0:47:09.200
<v Speaker 1>you know a chicken, or you have anything else you

0:47:09.239 --> 0:47:11.399
<v Speaker 1>would like to share with us, you can do so well,

0:47:11.400 --> 0:47:13.600
<v Speaker 1>not anything else. You should be related to the news

0:47:13.640 --> 0:47:16.560
<v Speaker 1>and things that we can report on. You can send

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<v Speaker 1>it to cool Zone tips at proton dot me.

0:47:20.000 --> 0:47:23.319
<v Speaker 2>And that's only encrypted if you also use encryption to

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<v Speaker 2>send the message end to end.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a proton manaddress. That means, yeah, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to send from encrypted to encrypted. It still doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's perfectly safe. It just means it's encrypted. So send

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think you can send over an email?

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