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Speaker 1: Also media, Oh Lord, that the Coming has begun.

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Speaker 2: The Coming has begun. This is it could happen here.

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Speaker 2: Executive Disorder, our weekly newscast covering what's happening in the

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Speaker 2: White House, the crumbling world, and what it means for you.

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Speaker 2: I'm Garrison Davis. I'm joined by Mia Wong, James Stout,

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Speaker 2: and Robert Evans.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and as James Stout just noted, the Coming has begun,

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Speaker 3: so we're going to also begin.

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Speaker 2: This episode we are covering the week of March twelve

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Speaker 2: to March nineteen. Obviously, the most important piece of news

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Speaker 2: right now is that Minnesota Republican state Senator Justin aich Lord,

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Speaker 2: who just last week sponsored or co sponsored a bill

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Speaker 2: that that legally recognizes Trump Derangement syndrome as a mental

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Speaker 2: illness which disqualifies you from possessing firearms, was literally that

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Speaker 2: same day rested in a sting operation for trying to

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Speaker 2: meet up with and have sex with.

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Speaker 3: A like like literally he was like, had to have

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Speaker 3: been texting this. He thought what he thought was a kid,

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Speaker 3: but what was really a federal agent. While he was

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Speaker 3: finalizing the language.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's truly phenomenal. Pedal Club theory never fails. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: let's move on to the actual important stress, which is

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Speaker 2: mostly bad. This has been a pretty rough week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a pretty rough week.

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Speaker 3: It sucked.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So I guess I'll turn to James Stout.

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Speaker 1: Mehi, everyone, Well the day you're listening, it's it's Neuro's

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Speaker 1: Nero's piros babe. Yeah, yeah, British listeners. So I want

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Speaker 1: to talk today about rendition. This has been reported his deportation. Like,

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Speaker 1: I guess it technically falls within deportation. But what's happening

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Speaker 1: here is that the Trump administration has begun renditioning people

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Speaker 1: who it accuses of being members of trender Ragua, which

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Speaker 1: is a Venezuelan gang, and the La Mara Saba, the

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Speaker 1: MS thirteen as they known here right. It has done

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Speaker 1: this based on something called the Alien Enemies Act. The

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Speaker 1: way it's able to use the Alien Enemies Act is

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Speaker 1: that it has designated these gangs as foreign terrorist organizations

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Speaker 1: Alien Enemies Act to expedite their removal. We spoke about

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Speaker 1: the Alien Enemies Act in a podcast that I made

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Speaker 1: last November with Robin Sophe about parts of the lord

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Speaker 1: that Trump administration might use for its mass deportation agenda.

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Speaker 1: They're now using this one, and very briefly, it's a

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Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty six year old piece of legislation

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Speaker 1: that hasn't been used since World War Two, when it

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Speaker 1: was used to justifying tournament camps, which were a bad thing.

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Speaker 1: These people aren't being deported back to Venezuela, right, The

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Speaker 1: US for the express purpose of deportations, which is great. Instead,

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Speaker 1: they're being sent to Al Salvador, sent there with no

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Speaker 1: sort of being walked with their heads forced down. They're

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Speaker 1: second If you're not familiar with this, it was the

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Speaker 1: subject of State Department Human Rights reports very recently and

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Speaker 1: now we are sending people there. It's a mega prison

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Speaker 1: in El Salvador. It roughly translates terrorism confinement or terrorism

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Speaker 1: then twenty three who accused of being part of MS thirty.

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Speaker 1: They were removed on flights the Trump administrations, claiming they

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Speaker 1: the judge very explicitly said, I'm quoting here. Any plane

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Speaker 1: Caroline leave It claimed that there was quote no lawful

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Speaker 1: you don't believe then judicial ruling is correct, you stop

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Speaker 1: they claim that because the flights were ever international waters,

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Speaker 2: I mean, like all of these justifications are really like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is there are fringes on the flag, so

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Speaker 1: admiralty court apply is kind of done.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But specifically that last one being like it doesn't

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Speaker 3: That's not the way anything works, especially since it was

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and in terms of yeah, you basically don't

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, well, I I honestly, I think I think

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Speaker 4: So I think Guantanamo Bay is the one that gets remembered.

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Speaker 4: But the other part of the CIA torture program was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Syria, Egypt, Syria and the Egypt biggest.

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Speaker 3: To Syria's torture program had largely been cobbled together by

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Speaker 4: I also want to read a line from the legal

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's the idea here, right, that we're a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is this is this thing We're like, well, no,

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Speaker 4: obviously we're not like that. We don't have there's no

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Speaker 4: Terror sort of functioned, they're they're they're trying to claim

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Speaker 4: It is pure, pure state of exception, total fascism. Shit,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's entirely unconstitutional, right, Like you have to

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Speaker 1: be a radically left person to believe that humans have rights. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I want to really briefly, like one of the criteria

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Speaker 1: very heavily here is tattoos. We know from court filings

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Speaker 1: like just his appearance of having tattoos would have him

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean it's it's it's a damning indictment

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Speaker 3: coming for a while, like the propaganda campaign against these folks, yeah,

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Speaker 3: the whole nativist deal is is just disgusting. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what else to say. I can't just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not all a slippery slope. And I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying that they're both as bad as each other, because

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Speaker 1: what's happening now is much worse than anything that happened previously.

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Speaker 1: But like, yes, when we could detain people, including little

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Speaker 4: It really seems like we're relearning one of the last

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Speaker 3: Finally, you know what, I'm completely on board. As long

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Speaker 4: seem to think twenty percent is like the low one.

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Speaker 4: I don't know about that. I think they're going to

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Speaker 4: be pretty high. We have no idea. And again, so

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Speaker 4: what's happening here is Trump is declaring this Liberation Day

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Speaker 4: because he has convinced himself. I think I finally understand

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Speaker 4: what's going on in his brain, which is that he

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Speaker 4: has convinced himself that like, if you have a trade

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Speaker 4: deficit with a country, that means the country's robbing you.

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Speaker 3: Right, yes, yes, again. Trump's firm, lifelong belief is that

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Speaker 3: if you are selling something, you've won, and if you're

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Speaker 3: buying something, you have lost.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Now, this is not how international trade works at all

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Speaker 4: for the US. Like the entire US Empire, absolutely, the

446
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Speaker 4: entire US Empire is based on outsourcing a bunch of

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Speaker 4: political violence to other countries so you can buy goods

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Speaker 4: at cheap rates, right, Like, that's that's that's that's what

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Speaker 4: the empire is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we love buying things. It's the entire basis of

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Speaker 3: our civilization.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, The reason Jeffrey Bezos was that the inaugration

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Speaker 1: is because we like to be buying.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, and so is something I mentioned, you know,

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Speaker 4: back back when I was talking about this in the

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Speaker 4: Terriff episode right after the election, is that the thing

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Speaker 4: about reciprocal tariffs, right, is that it means that if

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Speaker 4: if anyone attempts to to fight a trade war with

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Speaker 4: the US, so another country imposes twenty percent tariffs, the

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Speaker 4: US will also impost twenty percent terriffs, and this just

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Speaker 4: spirals out of control into a version of a trade

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Speaker 4: war so unhinged, like none of us have ever seen

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Speaker 4: anything like in our lifetimes.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, brother, yeah, that's coming.

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Speaker 4: We have We now have April second as the day

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Speaker 4: everything explodes. I also want to want to put like

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Speaker 4: another note here. The hope has always been from a

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Speaker 4: lot of countries and a lot of the financial markets

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Speaker 4: and bunch companies that these tariffs are going to have

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Speaker 4: more exemptions, because there were some exemptions on stuff in

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Speaker 4: the initial tariffs on Mexico and Canada.

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Speaker 3: Well, and he kept going back and forth right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but now we're getting into terroifts with which you

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Speaker 4: have no exceptions. The steel and aluminum tariffs have had

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Speaker 4: no exemptions at all. What we've been hearing, so one

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Speaker 4: of the things I've been noting is that Canada and

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Speaker 4: EU have been basically mobilizing in the trade war and

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Speaker 4: imposing reciprocal terroists in the US. China has two, Mexico

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Speaker 4: has not. Apparently Mexico still thinks that they can negotiate

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Speaker 4: to be in like the lowest tier of tariffs. This

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Speaker 4: won't completely destroy their economy. Fuck if I know why

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Speaker 4: they think that, but who knows. Yeah, but that's the fact.

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Speaker 4: That's effectively the tariff news we have Right now, we

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Speaker 4: have again April second, quote unquote Liberation Day, the day

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Speaker 4: that this all goes into effect. I bet they wanted

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Speaker 4: to do April first and realize that they couldn't.

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Speaker 1: No, Yeah, I didn't think that.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 3: Trump.

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Speaker 2: Trump announced this during his Joint Congressional address, and he

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Speaker 2: openly said that he originally wanted to do it on

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Speaker 2: April first, at the start of the month, but decided

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Speaker 2: not to because he is too superstitious as a person. So, yes,

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Speaker 2: originally they were going to be on April first, and

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Speaker 2: then they pushed him back to April second because they

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Speaker 2: didn't want it to be on April Fool's Day.

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Speaker 1: That's good. That's a good way.

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Speaker 2: So that's a great, great extra insight into the mind

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Speaker 2: of the US God King.

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Speaker 1: Cool.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, let's go on ad break and then come back

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Speaker 2: to discuss all of the other bad things that are

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Speaker 2: happening in the country.

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Speaker 5: Okay, we're back.

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Speaker 2: The first thing I want to kind of open to

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Speaker 2: a group discussion on is that On Tuesday, March eighteenth,

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Speaker 2: the federal judge issued a preliminary injunction blocking Trump's ban

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Speaker 2: on trans people serving in the military, ruling that the

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Speaker 2: blanket ban likely violates constitutional right of Steven Miller responded

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Speaker 2: to the ruling by writing, District court judges have now

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Speaker 2: decided that they are in command of the armed forces?

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Speaker 2: Is there no end to this madness?

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Speaker 3: God?

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Speaker 1: Fuck?

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 2: I know this is a topic that we've discussed a lot.

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Speaker 2: As you know, we're not all big US military defenders.

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Speaker 3: No, but it's mostly done bad stuff in my lifetime.

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Speaker 2: But we still take like almost like an ontological issue

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Speaker 2: with this band because it essentially creates just a secondary

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Speaker 2: class of citizen with fundamentally different rights from the rest

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Speaker 2: of everyone else, and that is never a good thing.

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Speaker 3: It's like, so right now, one of the semi positive

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Speaker 3: news stories is that Trump's ATF is going to be

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Speaker 3: for the first time restoring people's Second Amendment rights who

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Speaker 3: had them taken away because they were involuntarily institutionalized. And

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Speaker 3: I've seen a lot of liberals being like, oh, they're

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Speaker 3: just gonna let more crazy people have guns. This is bad,

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Speaker 3: and like, I have to disagree whether or not you

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Speaker 3: like it. The Second Amendment is a fundamental right under

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Speaker 3: the Constitution, and it's bad to say that this class

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Speaker 3: of people forever lose a fundamental right because they're involuntarily institutionalized.

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Speaker 3: That's bad. And likewise, even if you hate the US

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Speaker 3: military's role in US imperialism, which fine enough, the right

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Speaker 3: to serve in an integrated military has been a major

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Speaker 3: underpinning of most of the civil rights movements, like a

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Speaker 3: foundational depending of most civil rights movements in this country's history,

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Speaker 3: going back to the Civil War, you know, Black civil rights,

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Speaker 3: including LGBTQ rights, and including women's rights. Right, It's like

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Speaker 3: it is significant, and so the fact that the GOP

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Speaker 3: is attempting to peel this back and essentially reverse integration

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Speaker 3: of the military is bad for two reasons. One, it represents,

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Speaker 3: as you've said, creating separate classes of people and peeling

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Speaker 3: fundamental what are considered under the law in this country,

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Speaker 3: fundamental rights away from groups of people. And it's also

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Speaker 3: just dangerous for them to remake the military into an

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Speaker 3: all white organization, right, like all white male organization. There's

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Speaker 3: a reason why that's also dangerous to you. So, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think people should care about this, even if they're

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Speaker 3: you know, leftists.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And like, especially in this country, the military represents

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Speaker 1: one of the few social mobility tools that exist. Right.

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Speaker 1: People don't just join the military because they, country, to

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Speaker 1: what you might have seen on Twitter dot com, want

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Speaker 1: to go to Middle East and kill people. Sometimes they

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Speaker 1: do it because they want to get a chance to

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Speaker 1: go to education. Sometimes they want to do it so

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Speaker 1: they get a chance to have healthcare. Yep. And like

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Speaker 1: trans people serve at a higher rate. Then it says

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Speaker 1: people that may not be the case for very much longer.

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Speaker 1: By it like that has been the case, and they

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Speaker 1: have rights to use however they want. They don't just

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Speaker 1: have rights to use how you will II or anyone

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Speaker 1: else would like them to use well.

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Speaker 3: And that's also a broad truth. For the US military,

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Speaker 3: members of my marginalized groups have always served at a

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Speaker 3: higher rate than basically anyone else. This includes like Native

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Speaker 3: Americans serve at a higher proportion of like their population

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Speaker 3: within the country than most other groups, in part because traditionally,

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Speaker 3: serving in the military was a way in which to

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Speaker 3: gain acceptance and entrance into American society.

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Speaker 2: It's also just like another world, like you can field

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Speaker 2: in some ways, like insulated from like yes, the hoarders

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Speaker 2: you might experience in like regular suburban life oddly enough, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: To weigh out of the isolation that so many people

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Speaker 1: experience in the world.

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Speaker 5: And like, is it extremely bad that the way that

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Speaker 5: you enter your into American society is by being a

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Speaker 5: part of the imperial war machine? Yes?

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Speaker 4: Yes, But also the war machine is going to be

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Speaker 4: there whether you are in it or not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And the actual fundamental important thing here is again what

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Speaker 4: we've been saying is that like the fundamental basis of

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Speaker 4: liberal democracy, going back to the American Revolution, going back

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Speaker 4: to the French Revolution, going back to like the original

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Speaker 4: liberal revolutions, the fundamental principle of is that everyone is

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Speaker 4: equal before the law, and the moment that ceases to

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Speaker 4: be true, and it has not been true in this

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Speaker 4: country ever, but you know, we're seeing increasing numbers of

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Speaker 4: people who are not considered equal before the law. We

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Speaker 4: just spent this entire fucking like first part of this

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Speaker 4: episode talking about what happens when people are considered to

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Speaker 4: have no protections under the law, which at the state

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Speaker 4: can just fucking black bag you and send you to

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Speaker 4: a gulag.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, like that is bad.

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Speaker 4: Now, that's what's that fundamentally at stake here, not like

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Speaker 4: whether you think the army is good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and imagine for those people, Like when they people

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Speaker 1: could have served nineteen years, right, they could have been

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Speaker 1: just about to get their twenty years and get their

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Speaker 1: retirement and will now not get that. Like they they

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Speaker 1: signed up expecting a thing, right, Like there was a

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Speaker 1: quid pro quote there that they would give twenty years

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Speaker 1: of their life and possibly a lot of their health

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Speaker 1: to the United States government and in return they will get

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Speaker 1: health care and a pentrum for the rest of their lives.

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Speaker 1: And people are now going to lose that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. In some related news, the VA just announced that

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Speaker 2: quote effective immediately. The VA will not offer cross sex

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Speaker 2: hormone therapy to veterans who have a current diagnosis or

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Speaker 2: history of, or exhibit symptoms consistent with gender dysphoria unless

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Speaker 2: such veterans are already receiving such care from the VA,

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Speaker 2: or such veterans we're receiving such care from the military

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Speaker 2: as a part of and upon their separation from the

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Speaker 2: military service, and are eligible for VA healthcare. So basically

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Speaker 2: they will not be emitting like new patients to receive

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Speaker 2: gender affirming healthcare.

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Speaker 1: Well, unless there's sist gender it seems like oh yes, correct, yes,

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Speaker 1: if it's just basically assists, men can still receive gender

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Speaker 1: affirming hormones.

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Speaker 2: Sure, be Like I kind of get annoyed when people

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Speaker 2: do that, like comparisons, like that's never like we're falling

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Speaker 2: into this artro trap off, like we're actually using words

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Speaker 2: to mean what they mean and like they're not using

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Speaker 2: words like that, you know, like whenever people like laugh

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Speaker 2: about haha, they banned pronouns at school. Now now you

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Speaker 2: can't say the word and you're like no, like come out,

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Speaker 2: like what like that's not what they mean? Like you

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Speaker 2: have to understand, like the dog whistles that they're using.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It. I find it interesting though that they seemingly

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Speaker 1: like you've tried to even get around like that like

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Speaker 1: linguistic thing in the statement.

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Speaker 2: Sure me like it if it's what you mean by

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Speaker 2: gender dysphoria, right, Like you could theoretically you could have

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Speaker 2: gender ysphoria because your assists male and you want to

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Speaker 2: become more masculine, right, Like all all of these diagnoses

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Speaker 2: have like a very fuzzy ontological underpinning. Right, these are

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Speaker 2: just categories that we're projecting. Yes, but this is you know,

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Speaker 2: probably not great. It's probably isn't a good thing. Like,

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Speaker 2: for instance, if you already have VIA healthcare, you're not

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Speaker 2: in the military anymore, and now you decide that you

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Speaker 2: would like to receive gender affirming healthcare, now you can't

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Speaker 2: at least through the VA.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: So as a as a related thing, let's see, I

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Speaker 2: think we should kind of close with or like bookend

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Speaker 2: our discussion on like like the immigration stuff and the

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Speaker 2: black baggings and deportations which have been happening. A German

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Speaker 2: immigrant named Fabian Schmidt, who has lived in the States.

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Speaker 3: With the green card the German name Beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Since two thousand and eight, so like he's lived here

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Speaker 2: quite a while. He immigrated with his mom. He was

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Speaker 2: detained and tortured at the Boston Logan Airport upon returning

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Speaker 2: from a visit to Europe. The man's mother says that

657
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Speaker 2: he was quote unquote violently interrogated at the Logan airport

658
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Speaker 2: for hours and was stripped naked, put in a cold

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Speaker 2: shower by two officials, and pushed back into an interrogation chair.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to quote from w GBH quote. She said.

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Speaker 2: Schmid told her immigration agents pressured him to give up

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Speaker 2: his green card. She said he was placed on a

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Speaker 2: mat in a bright room with other people at the

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Speaker 2: airport with little food or water, suffered sleep deprivation, and

665
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Speaker 2: was denied access to his medication for anxiety and depression.

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Speaker 2: He hardly got anything to drink, and then he wasn't

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Speaker 2: feeling very well and he collapsed, said a senior, which

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Speaker 2: is his mom. He was transported by ambulance to mass

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Speaker 2: General Hospital. He didn't know it at the time, but

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Speaker 2: he also had the flu unquote. Now, Schmid has since

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Speaker 2: been transferred to multiple ice facilities. He had a misdemeanor

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Speaker 2: charge for marijuana possession in California back in twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 2: but that charge was dismissed the following year due to

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Speaker 2: changes in state law. But I think that this incident

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Speaker 2: may have flagged Schmidt on the customs and border protections

676
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Speaker 2: like database and Hillary Beckham, CBP's Assistant Commissioner for Public Affairs,

677
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Speaker 2: gave a short statement reading, quote, when an individual is

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Speaker 2: found with drug related charges and tries to re enter

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Speaker 2: the country, officers will take proper action unquote. But essentially

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Speaker 2: they like tortured, black bagged this person who's had a

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Speaker 2: green card for like almost two decades for a dismissed

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Speaker 2: marijuana charge like ten years ago. This is like you know,

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Speaker 2: like a very white man like Fabian Schmidt. Yeah, like

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Speaker 2: this is this is super freaky stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we should say that a lot of that stuff

686
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Speaker 1: is not particularly unusual and nice attention lights being all

687
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Speaker 1: the time not being given bettying, but like being shaved

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Speaker 1: into a that.

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Speaker 2: Was at the airport, they say, like like being being

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Speaker 2: interrogated at like.

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Speaker 1: At the airport this is a new one.

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Speaker 2: And like being forced to like forcibly like give up

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Speaker 2: your green card during this like interrogation session at that

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Speaker 2: very same airport, Like I think just maybe like a

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Speaker 2: day or so later. A Lebanese doctor and professor at

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Speaker 2: Brown University, Russia, Alweya, was deported this weekend after traveling

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Speaker 2: to Beirut to visit family and attend the public funeral

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Speaker 2: of Hassan Nashraala. Upon a return to the United States,

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Speaker 2: she was detained at the Boston Airport, had her H

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Speaker 2: one B visa revoked, and was deported on a plane

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Speaker 2: to France on Friday, March fourteenth, before she could attend

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Speaker 2: her in person hearing that following Monday. According to court documents,

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Speaker 2: her deportation was prompted by deleted pictures on her phone

704
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Speaker 2: of like Shia Muslim figures like Neshraala and the Ayatola,

705
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Speaker 2: another very very frightening incident. In those documents, it's unclear

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Speaker 2: how Customs and Border Protection was viewing deleted photos on

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Speaker 2: her phone or like like like like open of her

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Speaker 2: phone right because like if you recently deleted a photo,

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Speaker 2: it is still contained in your recently deleted folder, assuming

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Speaker 2: you have like an iPhone or equivalent. But it's unknown

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Speaker 2: how they got into her phone, if she like let

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Speaker 2: them look through it, or if they used one of

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Speaker 2: like a many like.

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Speaker 1: Phone breakaway, see or whatever. Yeah, but I.

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Speaker 2: Think it is interesting that this is at the same

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Speaker 2: airport to you know, slightly related incidents.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, we've seen that a lot with like in

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Speaker 1: the similar cases people crossing the land border's Santy seedro both.

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Speaker 1: I think a Canadian and German citizen were both detained,

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Speaker 1: which is a San Diego county. It's not familiar. It

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Speaker 1: seems like there's some kind of policy at certain border

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Speaker 1: crossings or maybe, like the person in chides, Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: was saying, do this, you know, detain people of this

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Speaker 1: anything on their record at all.

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Speaker 4: Well so so, and there's another case of this that's similar,

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Speaker 4: where a French researcher who to best of mine is

727
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Speaker 4: unnamed so far, was randomly pulled aside for a stop

728
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Speaker 4: at George Bush International Airport in Houston, which is sort

729
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Speaker 4: of fitting for all of this. George Bush has gotta

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Speaker 4: be fucking creaming his pants thinking about all this black

731
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Speaker 4: bag and shit. But yeah, I was randomly pulled over

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Speaker 4: and they found anti Trump text on his phone and

733
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Speaker 4: immediately deported him. This is a guy who was visiting

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Speaker 4: the US, like I think they go to a conference

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Speaker 4: and the border patrol is arguing that anti Trump texts

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Speaker 4: are considered terrorism, which is great, or the text that

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Speaker 4: they found are like could be like the anti Trump

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Speaker 4: ness of it can be considered terroristic, so that's bad.

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Speaker 4: There was yet another case, which is a slightly different one,

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Speaker 4: which is Buttercon Surrey, who is a postoc at Georgetown

741
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Speaker 4: who was detained and sent to an immigration facility, who's

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Speaker 4: here teaching. He's a postdoc at Georgetown on a student

743
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Speaker 4: visa who has been sent to an immigration facility based

744
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Speaker 4: on basically a right wing panic about his wife, his

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Speaker 4: wife's father being Hamas. And because of this, he's been

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Speaker 4: black bagged in a way very similar to Mak mckhalil. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: now Georgetown is backing him on this, but this is

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Speaker 4: you know this, this this is another one of these

749
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Speaker 4: fucking blackpaggings that they're just doing now with someone who

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Speaker 4: is here on a student visa who has committed no crime,

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Speaker 4: who Georgetown was like, has committed no crime. And again

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Speaker 4: also even if he've committed a crime, this is fucking horseship.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, all of these things are just continuing to

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Speaker 4: ramp up, and they're getting Boulder and Boulder.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Robert, do you wanna Do you want to read

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Speaker 2: a select paragraph or two from a from Khalil's first

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Speaker 2: like public statement.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so he he put out a letter a couple

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Speaker 3: of days before we recorded this, and you should really

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Speaker 3: read the whole thing if you just google Mahmood Khalil letter.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think the exact title is my name

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Speaker 3: is Mahmoud Khalil and I am a political prisoner, which

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Speaker 3: is the first sentence of the letter. But I want

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Speaker 3: to read this little bit of him talking about his arrest.

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Speaker 3: On March eighth, I was taken by DHS agents who

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Speaker 3: refused to provide a warrant and accosted my wife and

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Speaker 3: me as we returned from dinner. By now, the footage

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Speaker 3: of that night has been made public. Before I knew

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Speaker 3: it was happening, agents handcuffed and forced me into an

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Speaker 3: unmarked car. At that moment, my only concern was for

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Speaker 3: Newer's safety. I had no idea if she would be

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Speaker 3: taken too, since the agents had threatened to arrest her

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Speaker 3: for not leaving my side. DHS would not tell me

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Speaker 3: anything for hours. I did not know the cause of

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Speaker 3: my arrest or if I was facing immediate deportation. At

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Speaker 3: twenty six Federal Plaza. I slept on the cold floor

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Speaker 3: in the early morning hours. Agents transported me to another

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Speaker 3: facility in Elizabeth, New Jersey. There, I slept on the

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Speaker 3: ground and was refused a blanket despite my request. My

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Speaker 3: arrest was a direct consequence of exercising my right to

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Speaker 3: free speech as I advocated for a free Palestine and

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Speaker 3: an end to the genocide in Gaza, which resumed in

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Speaker 3: full force Monday night. With January ceasefire now broken, parents

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Speaker 3: in Gaza are once again cradling two small shrouds, and

785
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Speaker 3: families are forced to waste starvation and displacement against bombs.

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Speaker 3: Is moral imperative to persist in the struggle for their

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Speaker 3: complete freedom. And again I really recommend reading the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: It's it's very good.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I get so particularly upset that Trump's admin

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Speaker 2: uses like this, like vague anti semitism justification for for

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Speaker 2: for some of these actions, at least because the head

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Speaker 2: of Trump's Anti Semitism task Force just last week retweeted

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Speaker 2: Patrick Casey, who is from the American Identity Movement, a

794
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Speaker 2: leading alt right figure who was at Charlottesville, to quote

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Speaker 2: Shane Burley. This tweet that was reposted by the head

796
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Speaker 2: of this anti semitism task force claimed that quote Trump

797
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Speaker 2: has the ability to revoke someone's Jew card.

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Speaker 5: It's absolutely horrible.

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Speaker 3: Are are we serious here?

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Speaker 2: It's like unbelievable, unbelievable amounts of anti semitism spread by

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Speaker 2: the person who leads the federal task force to calm

802
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Speaker 2: back to anti semitism.

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Speaker 4: Great, yeah, And going back to Columbia for a second.

804
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Speaker 4: One of the other things that's been happening is that

805
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Speaker 4: Trump threatened Columbia with the loss of four hundred million

806
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Speaker 4: dollars in government contracts unless they give in to a

807
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 4: bunch of Trump's demands. So Trump wants them to ban

808
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Speaker 4: masks on campuses, allow campus cops to do more violence

809
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Speaker 4: against student protesters, and expel like protesters who occupy buildings.

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Speaker 4: The president is supposed to get control of all discipline

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Speaker 4: and can expel and suspend students, and they want to

812
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Speaker 4: crack down student groups they want and this is also

813
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Speaker 4: a tie into the other thing. They want the IHR

814
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Speaker 4: definition of anti semitism and like specifically, the Trump's like

815
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Speaker 4: letter to them specifically says like classifying anti Zionism as

816
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Speaker 4: anti Semitism, And they want to put the Middle East,

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Speaker 4: South Asian, and African studies departments in academic receivership, which

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Speaker 4: means stripping away power from the faculty and giving it

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Speaker 4: to someone outside these Yeah, Columbia is about to give

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Speaker 4: into these demands. It seems like they want to try

821
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Speaker 4: to find another word other than academic receivership, but they're

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Speaker 4: just going to fucking do it. So and Trump have

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Speaker 4: legal authority to do this, No, obviously not, But you know,

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Speaker 4: does he have the moral authority? There's no, obviously not

825
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Speaker 4: like this guy is.

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Speaker 3: But none of those are important. He has guys with guns. No,

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Speaker 3: That's what it always comes down to. And then any

828
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Speaker 3: one who forgets that is only hurting themselves.

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Speaker 4: Like yeah, and so he's also doing this thing of

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Speaker 4: like attempting basically to dismantle a bunch of the higher

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Speaker 4: education institutions in this country unless they become just pure

832
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Speaker 4: right wing sort of laboratories. And another example of this

833
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Speaker 4: is as the news stories about Columbia, we're coming out

834
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Speaker 4: like Columbia trying to take the deal. We're coming out

835
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Speaker 4: The University of Pennsylvania is good about to lose one

836
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Speaker 4: hundred and seventy five million dollars of funding for allowing

837
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Speaker 4: Leah Thomas, a trans swimmer, to swim for their college.

838
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Speaker 4: So this is just going to be a giant sort

839
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Speaker 4: of battering ram that Trump is going to use to

840
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Speaker 4: just basically obliterate the education system and like impose whatever

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Speaker 4: unhinged right wing thing that he wants to impose.

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Speaker 2: And we will talk more about his efforts to destroy

843
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Speaker 2: the education system next week on our next episode of

844
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Speaker 2: ED As says he is continuing to prep an executive

845
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Speaker 2: order to abolish the Department of Education. And there's plenty

846
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Speaker 2: of other news, including the federal judge confrontations, that we

847
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Speaker 2: will also report on next week. But before we leave today,

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Speaker 2: Mia has a brief note on the bird flu. With Flitch,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure will be fine. Frankly, I'm still eating eggs,

850
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Speaker 2: but Mia.

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Speaker 5: Yes, so as as people there with the boyd flu.

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Speaker 2: So the thing.

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Speaker 4: The thing about chickens is that they're dying from bird

854
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Speaker 4: flu right now. This has killed an enormous number of chickens.

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Speaker 4: This is part of why egg prices are so high.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: This is a problem that a lot of countries have

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Speaker 4: dealt with. China has dealt with this by just fucking

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Speaker 4: vaccinating their chickens. The Biden administration refused to vaccinate chickens

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Speaker 4: because it would cost money and because it might make

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Speaker 4: it harder for us to export their.

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Speaker 5: Chickens, So that was bad.

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Speaker 4: RFK Junior literally just wants to let the bird flu

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Speaker 4: rip and kill all the birds and thinks that the

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Speaker 4: healthy birds will survive. And those healthy birds.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's immunity.

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Speaker 4: He has a heard immediity guy for COVID because he's

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Speaker 4: a human eugenics. He's also a chicken eye genesist. Now

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Speaker 4: I'm specifically doing this because I read multiple virologists reading

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Speaker 4: about this or writing about this. I talked to virologists,

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Speaker 4: and the virologists all basically said, if you were trying

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Speaker 4: move like a mutate in such a way that it

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Speaker 4: moves from birds to humans, this is what you would do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great, so and again cool. The death rate of

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Speaker 3: this thing is in a completely different category from fucking COVID.

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Speaker 3: It makes COVID look like having a mild case of allergies,

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Speaker 3: like staggeringly lethal and like it cannot overstate how disastrous

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Speaker 3: this would be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and COVID code more than a million Americans, like

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Speaker 1: fifteen case people have memory.

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Speaker 3: Hold that yeah right now, current rates when it has

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Speaker 3: reached humans as about a fifty percent fatality rate. They

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Speaker 3: thought initially that they were missing a lot of cases

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Speaker 3: and that it was much lower, but like the current

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Speaker 3: research points to suggests that that is not the case,

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Speaker 3: that it is actually somewhere in that range of lethality.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm still eating my chicken, tartar. I don't know

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Speaker 2: why everyone's so worried about it.

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Speaker 3: And again we don't know that like the version that

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Speaker 3: actually is able to jump from human to human after

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Speaker 3: jumping from bird to human would be that lethal because

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Speaker 3: that doesn't exist quite yet.

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Speaker 2: Probably, Yeah, but this is how we find out, but.

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Speaker 3: We really don't want to find out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I look, if you don't want to find out,

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Speaker 4: we have to find a way to get our k

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Speaker 4: junior out of that fucking office.

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Speaker 3: Like again, I think if we we really need to

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Speaker 3: have a lot of different farmers set up photo ops

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Speaker 3: with him where he is just covered in birds. We

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Speaker 3: need to have that man in constant physical contact with chicken.

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Speaker 3: It would do it and the problem will eventually solve it.

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Speaker 5: We could convince him to eat raw chicken. We could

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Speaker 5: definitely do it.

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Speaker 3: Sure, yes, absolutely raw, eat them, cuddle them, sleep with

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Speaker 3: them at night eight just kind of stand on a

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Speaker 3: pile of their corpses.

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, if you are a chicken, or

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Speaker 1: you know a chicken, or you have anything else you

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Speaker 1: would like to share with us, you can do so well,

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Speaker 1: not anything else. You should be related to the news

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Speaker 1: and things that we can report on. You can send

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Speaker 1: it to cool Zone tips at proton dot me.

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Speaker 2: And that's only encrypted if you also use encryption to

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Speaker 2: send the message end to end.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a proton manaddress. That means, yeah, you have

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Speaker 1: to send from encrypted to encrypted. It still doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: it's perfectly safe. It just means it's encrypted. So send

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Speaker 1: what do you think you can send over an email?

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Speaker 1: That is that way we reported the news. We reported

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Speaker 1: the news.

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