WEBVTT - Black Swan with Hunter Harris 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:08.920 Hello, Bechtel heads. How's everybody doing dystopia? Um, So, my 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:11.799 my name is Jamie Loftus, my name is Caitlin Darante, 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:14.360 and you, of course are listening to the Bechtel Cast, 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:19.480 our weekly feminist podcast where we use the Bechdel Test 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:25.520 to analyze movies of the world. Um, but but this 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:28.520 week is um is a weird week. So we just 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:34.199 wanted to pulp in at the top and uh say hello, 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:38.640 say hello. We hope everyone is safe and healthy in 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:43.239 taking precautions and you know, it's it's a confusing and 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:48.040 scary time and we just we hope you're all doing well. Yeah, 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:50.400 I hope you're taking care of yourselves, um, as much 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:54.240 as you're able to. We are very lucky to to 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:56.520 be all right, and we're also lucky to be able 0:00:56.520 --> 0:01:00.000 to work from home. We're in separate places right now. Um, 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:03.760 if you're not, you know, we're here for you, and um, 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:07.800 you know, take care of yourself. And if you have uh, 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:11.320 you know, resources, please give to your local food bank 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:15.479 and just you know, solidarity. We need each other and 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:18.760 we love you. And yeah, on that front, I mean 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:22.200 we might be were we're talking about maybe starting like 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:25.240 a little Twitter Movie Club. We'll I'll watch the same 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:27.280 movie at the same time. We'll figure it out. It's 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:30.679 on the table. Everything's on the table. Who knows what 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:37.600 tomorrow will bring in a good way. Yes, Um, you 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:40.360 are about to hear an episode that we recorded live 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:44.319 in Brooklyn at the Brooklyn Podcast Festival on the movie 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:49.200 Black Swan, um, which brings us also to our upcoming 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:52.760 live shows are as you might imagine, still in flux 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:56.360 as to be expected. So yeah, so if if you 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:58.840 if you have tickets to our Austin shows, UM, we 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:01.040 will keep you posted on this status of their shows. 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:04.000 We're gonna keep it on the same side. So we 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:08.519 will go by whatever the recommendation is. And Boston shows 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:13.839 are canceled and LA shows TBD kind of the same deal. Um. Yes, 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:16.920 our our l A show which is not until mid May. 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:21.320 Is hard to say what things will be like by then. Um, 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:26.240 so for now it's still on. Um, we will announce 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:29.400 if anything changes. But um, we do have a show 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:32.560 booked at Dynasty Typewriter in Los Angeles on May fift 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:35.280 It's my birthday show. So of course we are talking 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:39.760 about Titanic, which brings me to a little shout out 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:45.120 I need to do to uh listener fan of the show, Nicole. 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:50.840 She gave me a very large Titanic poster then that 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:55.080 I then bestowed upon to you, Jamie for a housewarming 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:57.480 gift because you just moved. We still don't know what 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:00.600 to hear that it's so big, it's so big, but 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:05.639 it's uh, it's you know, it's magnificent and just an 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:11.280 enormous shout out to Nicole for that wonderful gift. Thank you, Nicole. 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:15.120 UM and I suppose that brings us to um the 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:18.680 episode that you're about to hear. Yes, So this was 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:22.400 recorded at the Brooklyn Podcast Festival back in January at 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:25.440 the Bell House with guest Hunter Harris. It was a 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:27.880 simpler time. It was so much fun. It was a 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:33.119 sold out show, UM about Black Swan, which is, as 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:35.720 you will hear, a dense movie. So we also had 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:38.200 a few things. We had so much to say about 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:40.040 this movie that it didn't actually all fit into the 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:43.640 live show, so you will hear you know, uh Dystopian 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:46.800 Caitlin and Jamie popping in with some extra stuff we 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:50.400 didn't have time for at the live show. Uh. And 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:56.040 with that, enjoy the dog cast the questions asked me 0:03:56.440 --> 0:04:01.080 was happening all their discussions? Just boy, husband, do they 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:06.600 have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef and best start changing it 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:28.200 with the Bedel Cast. Hi, Wow, everybody, Hi, welcome to 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:35.440 the Baktel Cast Brooklyn. How's it going? You told us 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:42.240 it's fine. Hi Jemmy, Hi, Hi, Welcome to the Bactel Cast. 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:44.760 Thank you so much for coming. For everyone who isn't 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:47.479 physically present in the future, we're at the Bell House 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:54.280 for the Brooklyn Podcast Festival. Yeah, thank you for coming. Um, 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:56.200 we're here to talk about the most fucked up movie 0:04:56.200 --> 0:05:00.279 of all time. I'm so bad. I'm so okay, Lena 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:02.320 and I we'll talk about what the punkast is in 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:04.880 a second. But Caitlin and I a while ago, we're like, 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:07.720 we have to stop talking about funked up movies at 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:12.159 live shows because it bums people out. But then we're like, 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.560 what do you think? Social network? Black Swan and the 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:19.960 sixth sense like, so it's fine, it's ourry dark movie tour. 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:24.960 It's fine. Yeah. I did a palette cleanser before tonight's show. 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.839 I should have done this after this, but I went 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:34.919 to see Paddington Gets in a jam Today, Caitlin, I 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:37.440 have a quick question because I know the answer. Were 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:41.760 you the only adult without a child at the show? Yes, 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:46.200 I was, go off quick, Okay, wonderful, thank you. Well. 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:48.800 To date, the only Broadway show I've ever seen a 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:52.919 spongebout the musical also alone, It's a really good musical. 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:56.640 Squid word taps with all six tentacles. It's it's like 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:02.680 how they do that, it's it's wilds well. But now 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:06.479 none of that passed the Bechdel test because we talked 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:10.839 about Paddington words. Squid word right, allies, but does not 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:18.120 feminist icmm a zon squidbird. I think you'll all agree. 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:22.920 Um so, so I'm Jamie, I Caitlin, and uh, this 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:25.600 is our feminist movie podcast. You know that you've paid 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:29.360 money to be here. Um, but for for all your 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:32.160 listeners at home, is there anyone here who hasn't heard 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:37.000 the Bechtel cast before? Who's been Oh, okay, we've been 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:41.520 killed hostages. Interesting? Interesting, It just means we have people 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:44.960 to convert. Yeah, So for your benefit, this is a 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:48.680 feminist movie podcast. We use the Bechdel test sometimes called 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:51.960 the Beckdel Wallace test to start discussion. Uh, Caitlin, what 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:55.440 is the Bechtel test? Well, Jamie, I'm so glad you asked. 0:06:57.279 --> 0:07:01.279 It's a media metric created by cartoonists Alison Bechtel, and 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:05.200 it requires that two female identifying characters in a movie 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:07.839 have to speak to each other about something other than 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:13.640 a man. Can it happen in movies? Usually not? It has, 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:18.920 but like not overwhelmingly so correct? Do we try it? Yeah? 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:22.040 Let's try it? You start? Okay? Oh funk? I wish 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:23.880 I had? I know? I was like, I can only 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:28.640 think about Scuppert and pattingson. Um yeah, no, no, no 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:33.080 you okay, Hey Caitlin, Hey Jamie, okay, uma? Do you 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:37.520 do you identify as? Are you more of like a 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:41.000 white swan or a black swan? Oh? Well, isn't that 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:45.160 just the human condition? You know? I wake up on 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:46.800 one way, I go to sleep the other way. Who 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:51.000 knows where I start? More n it all depends on 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:55.880 what mommy says. It depends on how mommy treats me 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:59.800 that day. Also, we should draw attention to your outfit. Right, 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:04.880 thank you, thank you, as I will not shut up 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:07.520 about all night. I dance ballet for fifteen years and 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:11.840 I've got ship left over. Okay, so I've been waiting 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:14.480 for a Black Swan episode for a long time because 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:17.440 I've got a lot of ship I'm not using and 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:20.200 and I wanted to use again. So for the listeners 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:22.360 at home, oh, I didn't say what it was Jamie 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:24.800 is wearing? Is this a leotard? Is this what you 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:27.240 call this? What do you? Don't be worried? It's yeah, 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:30.120 it's I don't know. It's a later. Oh can I 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:35.040 say something very feminine? Okay, I found out two days 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:38.520 ago I got I like, got my actual brass eyes 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:43.480 measured and there's an asterisk here. But I'm a thirty 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:49.880 two C. And I okay, hold your applause, because when 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:53.480 I told you two days ago, you got very quiet, 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:58.080 as if you did not believe me. Doesn't believe women. 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:03.000 It's cannon. I'm canceled. But but you got very quiet. 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:08.080 But but including the woman who had measured my BRA's eyes, 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:10.120 she was like, you're a thirty two C. And I 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:14.400 was like, how is that possible? And she was just like, well, 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:19.480 you have the largest ribbed cage I've ever seen. And 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.120 so that's also factor in. You can have the smallest 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:26.199 titties of all time and be a thirty two c 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:29.360 we exist. Okay, we were out here. Oh we have 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:33.160 someone who just raised her head. They're like, yeah, yeah, 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:36.440 all you need is a ripped cage. You're not really using, 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:41.280 Like yeah, I think I was like quiet, and then 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:46.320 I was like what my my my boyfriend had stopped 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:49.600 passing the baital test. But he said later he said 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:54.240 he was like, wow, Caitlin really did not believe you. Well, 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:57.839 it was the room in my In her defense, my 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:01.760 titties are very small. I think we are all we 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:05.920 were all led to believe we live in a society. Okay, 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:08.760 we do live in a society leads us to believe 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:17.840 that the larger the breast, the larger the cup. So 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:25.040 that's why I was surprised. Okay, thank you for that 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:29.960 feminist analysis of my literal titties that are out right now. Um. 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:33.320 But yeah, I'm wearing ballet, my ballet best tonight. Um 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:37.480 because we're talking about black Swan. We're so excited. Um, 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:40.240 it's been a long time request and I am so 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.320 threat like, we have the best possible person in the 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:45.720 entire wall to talk about it with us, So let's 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:49.040 bring her out. Let's do it. She is wonderful. She's 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:51.840 a staff writer at Vulture. Give it up for Hunter. 0:10:54.960 --> 0:11:05.680 Oh Fish, yes, yes, oh hi, hi, hi Hi? How 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:09.640 are you? I I think I drink too much beer 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:18.800 in the beer Um, never happened in my life. She's Carolina. Yeah, 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:22.319 we brought out a full bottle of of of white wine. Um, 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:25.520 that feels like a ballet drink. I don't know. Ballerina 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:31.559 is gonna drink anything. They drink ecstasy. And in this movie. 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:36.440 I'm yeah, Hunter, were so excited you're here, particularly for 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:40.559 this movie. Um, so let's let's get into it. What 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:43.920 is everyone's experience with Black Swan? What's what's your experience 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:47.040 with Hunter? Okay, So when I was in high school, 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:51.600 I was like very pretentious obviously, and I remember like 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.960 when I first started like reading about movies, like new movies. 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:57.079 I was like, Oh, this movie black Swan like looks 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:00.920 legit because it had won at Venice or something and 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:05.760 right and so and then I dragged all my friends 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:08.800 to see it, and they like, we all loved it. 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:11.280 I like on Facebook when it shows you like ten 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:13.400 years ago what your Facebook status was, they were all 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:16.400 about black Swan. Um. Most of the time just black 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:19.560 Swan and all caps um because I was a writer. Uh. 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:26.480 But but um, so we saw it and like loved 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:28.600 it and would talk about it every day. And I 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:32.280 remember being in speech and debate and my teacher, who 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:35.960 I guess I won't name, um was like hated it. 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:39.640 Thought it was so like weird and bad and and 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:41.559 that was what we got into a big fight about it. 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:43.480 And I think, I mean I quit speech and b 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:47.079 because I for other reasons, but that was always the 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:49.200 back of my mind, like, did not trust this man 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:56.920 who did not like Black Swan? Incredible? Uh, Caitlin, was 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.440 your experience with the movie? I saw it in theaters 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:03.360 and in two ten and um, I had only seen 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:06.600 it that one time before rewatching it to prep because 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:08.520 I don't know if you know this about me, but 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:12.120 I love a good romp. In this movie is not 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:15.960 a romp. I thought there was gonna be a twist. 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:20.600 It's like, how could you have interpreted this? This movie 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:25.880 makes me feel terrible, and I don't like watching movies 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:28.360 that make me feel terrible. So I saw it. I 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:30.880 walked out of the theater. I was with my best friend, 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:35.079 and I was like, funk that movie. I feel so horrible, 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:39.319 and I was like, I'm never watching this again, but 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:45.079 I did. Yeah, so that's my I'm excited to talk 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:50.319 about it. But I find this movie very challenging. Wow, Brave, 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:55.640 I know, thank you, m Jay. This movie is one 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:57.600 of my favorite movies of all time, but I cannot 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:00.440 watch it too often because it's like trigger It like 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:04.240 is triggering in every single possible way a movie. Like 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:07.800 after I watch it, I'm like, I remember why Mental 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:12.400 Illness was kind of fun, uh, like maybe we should 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:14.360 revisit it. And then you're like wait wait wait wait, no, no, 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:17.600 and then you watch and then I watched the end. 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:20.600 I'm like, oh right, that's why we don't do that anymore. 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:24.040 But I really I love this movie. This movie came 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:27.920 out at like I was like very into dance growing up, 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:30.440 and this came out at like the peak of that. 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:32.600 I was like, I don't know it when in two 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:34.080 thousand kind of came out. So I was like either 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.360 a senior in high school where I had just entered college, 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:38.800 and I saw it with my dance friends and we 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:42.280 were all we all took away the wrong message from it. 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:46.040 We were like, Wow, her pursuit for greatness paid off 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:51.360 like were we were so thrilled about it, Like I 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:54.800 love this movie. It makes me and I think, like 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:57.240 the more I watch it, the older I get, the 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:01.640 more anxious it makes me. Um. But but I but 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:04.160 I feel like that's like almost a testament to the 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:07.920 movie where there were mental illness symptoms portrayed in this 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:10.440 movie that I hadn't even begun to display when I 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:13.960 first said. And then I watch it, you know, six 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:16.080 or seven years later, I'm like, oh, the scratching right, 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:18.640 and like, you know, like there's there's a lot going 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:21.800 on in this movie, and it weirdly specifically appealed to 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:23.840 me at the exact moment it came out. And so 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:29.040 I'm going to defend it too much? Okay, Yeah, well 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:32.080 should we do the recap and go from let's recap? 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:37.000 So we meet Nina. That's Natalie Portman. Nina sayers. Yes, 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:40.760 she's a very dedicated ballet dancer in New York City. 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:50.560 Ever heard of it? Uh? For I believe? Is it 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:53.520 just called the New York City Ballet Company? I think? 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:58.200 So where is it real? I think it's I think 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:04.720 it's real. It's real. Okay, Okay, I'm not a dancer. Okay, fine, 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:10.920 I wasn't that good. We opened on a scary dream 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:14.560 she's having, and then strange things start happening to her 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:17.080 right away, like she sees a woman on the subway 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:19.720 who looks exactly like her, and it's like doing the 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:23.920 same little hairtuck behind the ear. I like the immediately 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.520 in this movie, you're like, oh, mirrors a metaphor like 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:31.240 and it keeps going, it doesn't stop. It's assuming that 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:34.440 you're not getting it the first time. Something that I 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.840 didn't realize until I was on Wikipedia like four hours ago, 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:40.320 is that she's supposed to be twenty years old in 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:49.040 this movie. Yeah, she's clearly thirty. Interesting. We meet Lily 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:52.840 that's me Lacunas, she is a new dancer to the company, 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:57.840 and then we also meet toma Um that's Vincent Castle. Uh, 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:02.720 he's like the director of the company. Who is Vincent Castle? 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:05.280 Am I supposed to know who he is? And if so, 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:09.320 why some stuff? Yea, he's like a famous French movie 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:13.080 star and he's married like a beautiful younger woman, so 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:17.160 I should I mean, that's grounds fair enough, okay, fair enough. 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:22.040 He announces that they'll open their season with Swan Lake. 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:25.600 Um but a more like a gritty version of it 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:35.520 this time there like it's Chris Nolan's uh, and he 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:40.680 needs a lead who can dance the Swan Queen, which 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:43.280 is means to do both the white Swan and the 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:46.560 Black Swan. He basically just like raises his hand. He's like, um, 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:50.159 I need the Madonna whore complex represented in this movie. 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:57.960 Can anyone? So Nina is auditioning, but Lily barges in 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:00.840 and throws Nina off, so she does get cast in 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:04.400 that role. Also because Toma only sees her as being 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:07.480 right for the white Swan because she's like very innocent 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:12.240 and controlled, And she goes to ask him for the part, 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:15.000 and then he forces himself on her and kisses her 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:21.240 and she bites back, and this convinces him that she 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:27.199 is dark and edgy enough somehow. God, it's that like 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:31.840 he's like, you passed the text. It's like I assaulted 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:36.280 you and you assaulted me back, like you're just like okay, 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:38.320 ballet is the most fucked up thing in the entire world. 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:41.480 But also in that scene, she's like her big transformation 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:45.680 is that she's just wearing lipstick like like and he says, oh, 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:49.000 you're so dulled up like the lipstick ice over my 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:53.440 note a writer. Yeah yeah, and that literally is what 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:59.920 oh that's great. So she now it has been cast 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:03.480 is the Swan queen and Toma shows her off at 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:05.320 this is that a gala. I don't know what a 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:09.920 gallet is. There's a staircase. There's a staircase. It's a 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:14.680 galas fancy and um. This woman Beth When On a 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:18.200 Writer's character is there and she used to be the 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:21.920 prima ballerina of the company, but she's being forced into 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:26.600 retirement because she is aging and right and and just 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:30.080 to be clear, aging in this movie is like ballet aging. 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:32.840 And when When On a Writer was thirty eight when 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:37.360 this movie came out. She's there like this old hag 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:41.439 and like she is like she's still got eggs, Like 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:45.400 she's fine, you know, I think she says that too. 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:47.240 She's like, no, I still have eggs were talking about 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:50.280 because they're like, oh, she's hitting menopause, and she's like, 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:56.880 I'm actually not, like I'm in my sexual prime. Uh. 0:19:56.880 --> 0:19:59.920 And at the end of this night, Toma has Nina 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:04.080 back to his place and he's very he's being very creepy. 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:07.720 He's asking about her sexual history, and then he gives 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:12.639 her a homework assignment, which is to touch herself, and 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:18.800 we're all like appropriate silence. Yeah, yikes. Has a male 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:23.880 teacher ever given you a creepy homework assignment? Not that creepy, 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:28.480 I'm happy to say, congratulations. I had a sure in 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:31.080 high school who was once. It was not like Vincent 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:36.000 cassel Castle or whatever France. I don't know. Um. It 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:39.199 wasn't like go home and jerk off, but he was 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:42.359 like I had an art teacher. He told you like 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:46.840 to chug. He told me to chug robotesting. He was like, 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:51.240 do you have cough medicine in your house? I'm like yeah, 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:53.480 and he's like is it robotest And I'm like CBS 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:56.439 brand clothes and he's and he was like, you should 0:20:57.000 --> 0:21:01.520 drink it. And then I did and I took. So 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:04.200 he says drink it and you're like and I said 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:06.840 walking home, like yeah, let's let me go do that. Yeah, 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:10.960 Because he was twenty six and I was fifteen, and 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:12.840 so I was like, I better do what he says. 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:15.159 And then I went home and I drank the robotestin 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:16.760 and I was like, I feel sick. And then I 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:22.199 took a picture on my sony digital camera. Unfortunately that's 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:28.280 where the story ends. But um, you know, I'm sorry 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:34.240 that happened. Very well, I'm fine, Okay. So the following morning, 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:38.440 after being given this creepy homework assignment, she follows through 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:43.520 and starts masturbating. But oh, her overbearing mother is in 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:46.840 the room. Does everyone remember where they were the first 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:54.080 time they saw this scene. It's like so alarming. Uh, 0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:57.920 And then other weird stuff keeps happening. Um, there's scratches 0:21:57.960 --> 0:22:01.240 on her back, there's like some other body horror stuff 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:03.840 happening with her fingernails. I just want to speak about 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:08.480 the nails for one moment, because the thing that just, 0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:12.439 you know, really grinds my gears is that in this movie, 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:16.960 the mom takes out scissors and clips her fingernails and 0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:21.600 just acts like this is normal, Like my god. And 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:23.840 then later in the movie when she like the body 0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:27.119 horror increases and she's like, okay, enough of this nail ship, 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:29.800 she takes scissors herself and does it. Like there's nothing 0:22:29.800 --> 0:22:33.720 else in the home. Who has nail scissors. We all 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:38.359 have nail clippers, right, These are like children's scissors. No, 0:22:38.400 --> 0:22:43.480 they're not They're like, they're like sewing scissors, like they're sharp. Yeah, 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:47.720 but they're just like so clearly not meant for human nails. Yeah. 0:22:48.000 --> 0:22:50.879 I just think that needs to be discussed, thank you. 0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:54.240 There's no context given for why there are no nail 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:57.360 clippers in the house. It takes place in the present day. 0:22:57.400 --> 0:23:02.520 They live near a Dwayne read like they could have them. 0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:08.160 It wouldn't be hard. Okay, So does anything else happened? 0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:14.159 That's the end of the movie. Um, And then we 0:23:14.240 --> 0:23:18.280 find out that Beth has had a horrible accident that 0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:23.440 leaves her legs badly disfigured. And meanwhile, Nina is practicing 0:23:23.480 --> 0:23:26.600 and working very hard on the upcoming show. And then 0:23:26.640 --> 0:23:30.760 Toma is like, you're not fuckable enough when you're dancing. 0:23:31.680 --> 0:23:35.920 It's we're like, oh jeez um, that's what she says. 0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:41.000 And Lily is showing up more and more trying to 0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:45.160 be friends with Nina or is she We don't know. 0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:49.200 It's almost like there's an unreliable narrator in this movie. 0:23:51.240 --> 0:23:54.440 But they all go out for drinks, Lily and Nina, 0:23:54.760 --> 0:23:58.280 and then Lily gives her um, is this ecstasy? I 0:23:58.320 --> 0:24:01.280 don't know how drugs work. I think like, Cale and 0:24:01.359 --> 0:24:03.879 I were talking about this backstage. Caleb was like, okay, 0:24:03.920 --> 0:24:12.160 So then she takes an ecstasy, she has one unit 0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:22.280 of ecstasy, she has an ecstasy based on the ecstasy, 0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:27.600 and then that's the line. That's the line. And then 0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:31.359 the night progresses and then uh, Nina and Lily go 0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:34.600 home together, they make out and they have sex or 0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:49.199 do they the queer painting of a generation someone's cheering 0:24:49.320 --> 0:24:57.280 the ground. Um. Then the following morning, Nina is like, 0:24:57.600 --> 0:25:01.080 is late getting to rehearsal and Lily is there dancing 0:25:01.080 --> 0:25:04.400 in her place. Lily's like, yeah, I didn't stay over, 0:25:04.440 --> 0:25:07.159 what are you talking about? So either she's like gaslighting 0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:11.600 Nina or Nina just imagine them having sex. Um. And 0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:15.679 then she finds out that Lily was made her alternate 0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:18.480 for the Swan Queen and she thinks that Lily is 0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:21.479 trying to steal her role. And then on the night 0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:24.440 of the performance she shows up, but she's like all 0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:28.880 disoriented to her mental state, which has been unraveling this 0:25:28.920 --> 0:25:34.639 whole time. Is an all time worse. That's not the 0:25:34.720 --> 0:25:41.960 name of the band came in. It's an all time love. Yeah, 0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:45.320 I don't know why I said it, Like that Yeah, 0:25:45.320 --> 0:25:50.000 that's definitely not an expression. Okay. But so she's like 0:25:50.040 --> 0:25:53.679 seeing visions of herself on other people's faces during the show, 0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:58.680 and then between acts she's growing feathers. Also her feet 0:25:58.760 --> 0:26:02.800 or webs. Her feet are web her eyes are blood 0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:08.680 shot or are they? Oh? And then and then during 0:26:08.720 --> 0:26:12.480 the show she is dropped. That's like, I just think 0:26:12.520 --> 0:26:14.400 we need to take a moment for that, because that's 0:26:14.400 --> 0:26:18.560 like a big She's dropped and starts freaking out, and 0:26:18.600 --> 0:26:21.840 then she's like, okay, fuck this puts on the Black 0:26:21.920 --> 0:26:24.280 Swan makeup and she's like, let's get it popping right. 0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:28.480 But I think before that she gets in a fight 0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:33.639 with Lily in her dressing room or does she and 0:26:33.680 --> 0:26:37.440 stabs her with a piece of broken mirror or does she? 0:26:38.680 --> 0:26:40.800 And then Nina like drags her body into the bathroom 0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:42.960 and then goes out as the Black Swan and like 0:26:43.040 --> 0:26:46.920 does she does great as the Black Swan? Everyone loves 0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:52.760 do ye uh? And then there's another act break and 0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:55.520 Nina comes down to a dressing room, but Lily's body 0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:59.240 is not there and it never was or was it? 0:27:01.920 --> 0:27:07.160 So didn't she stab She has stabbed herself? Is what happened? 0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:12.159 Can I okay, I've as someone who has never stabbed themselves, 0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:17.800 it seems like a pretty little stab. Maybe she punctures 0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:19.959