Speaker 1: Hello. Oh my goodness. Hello, it is so good to
Speaker 1: see you. It's so nice to see you too. Thanks
Speaker 1: for having me, buddy. How are you hey? How are
Speaker 1: you man? Man? Yeah, I'm doing well. I instantly miss
Speaker 1: you even more. Wow, you've got like a full, very
Speaker 1: professional setup going on. Such a crow. It's a ruse.
Speaker 1: It's a fake tree beside a palm. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: quite between two ferns, is it. Yeah, super wide out.
Speaker 1: There's another one that no one else could say. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a secret fern. John, How are you, man, it's
Speaker 1: been a minute. It's been a minute for sure. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know where to start. I'm doing very well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: good about you. You know, living the dream, living the
Speaker 1: actor dream. It's like great for a second and then
Speaker 1: like not working and then it's great again, and then
Speaker 1: not working again. It's just life forever and ever tell
Speaker 1: me about it. I was listening to um a couple
Speaker 1: of the other the other episodes that you did, and
Speaker 1: you were talking about how, you know, most of us
Speaker 1: have to build a career up and we have our
Speaker 1: ups and downs, and we have a lot of challenges
Speaker 1: and we learn a lot of things along the way.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so quite frankly to echo that I feel
Speaker 1: happier and healthier than I've ever been. And uh, it's
Speaker 1: really good and really fulfilling and lots of fun and yeah,
Speaker 1: just exactly living that dream, that dream. Yeah, you don't
Speaker 1: look like you've aged today, which is crazy to me.
Speaker 1: Kind and and and likewise, I put vasiline on the
Speaker 1: lens before I die one of the are you serious,
Speaker 1: I'm falling for this. I'm falling for this? Does that work? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I forgot you were such a prankster. John. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for returning to the Shadows with us today.
Speaker 1: You obviously were such an instrumental part of the story
Speaker 1: and of the show and of why people were so
Speaker 1: enthralled with with our show from the very beginning, and uh,
Speaker 1: we wanted to just, you know, bring you on and
Speaker 1: chat a little bit today about you. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's you were one of our first guest stars to
Speaker 1: come on the show and our first recurring characters who
Speaker 1: became such a not controversial but definitely talked about character
Speaker 1: on the show. I think it's very yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's it's one that people got excited about and been
Speaker 1: very angry at you. And you know, many many. You
Speaker 1: ran the fans through the gamut of emotions throughout the
Speaker 1: course of your time on the show, and certainly all
Speaker 1: of us as well. So thank you for the impact
Speaker 1: that you made. Oh well, thank you. Know, Um, the
Speaker 1: fans are so incredible, aren't They were just so supportive. Um,
Speaker 1: from start to finish, I found, you know, there were
Speaker 1: things to talk about, of course, when I came to
Speaker 1: the casting and all of that. Beloved, why don't we
Speaker 1: start off with tell us tell everyone who you are,
Speaker 1: what got you interested in acting? Give us a little
Speaker 1: of your you know, your your first baby steps. Give
Speaker 1: us the John Core backstory. Okay, I'll try to keep
Speaker 1: it as a succinct and to the point as possible,
Speaker 1: don't we don't It doesn't matter, no, Okay, Well, I
Speaker 1: started acting very young, but I don't think I realized it.
Speaker 1: My mother was very young when I was born, and
Speaker 1: we ended up moving around quite a bit, sort of
Speaker 1: West Canada, East Canada again, and I went to a
Speaker 1: bunch of different schools. You know. There was a junior
Speaker 1: high switch as well, and a mid grades itch and
Speaker 1: all of these things. So I was the new kid
Speaker 1: a lot, and I very quickly realized at least for myself.
Speaker 1: That popularity was erroneous in that just for showing up
Speaker 1: you could be targeted just as easily as you could
Speaker 1: be somehow celebrated and embraced and accepted. But both seemed
Speaker 1: just really sort of impulsive and and like these were
Speaker 1: big reactions from human beings that had never experienced me,
Speaker 1: you know, for better or for worse, kind of like
Speaker 1: how people reacted to, you know, my head shot when
Speaker 1: I was cast for this show without you know, knowing anything,
Speaker 1: for better or for worse. So at some points, you know,
Speaker 1: you start standing up for yourself with your bullies, and
Speaker 1: so you're in a lot of fights and you're not
Speaker 1: winning them all, but solving your problems that way is
Speaker 1: not cool. And I did a play of some kind
Speaker 1: just at a high school assembly, or probably younger than that,
Speaker 1: maybe junior high or something, and I was so terrified.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm very introverted. I'm shy right now, but
Speaker 1: I had to develop sort of extroverted skill sets as
Speaker 1: as a defense mechanism. I just sort of forgot where
Speaker 1: I was and came unleashed on stage and people they
Speaker 1: stood up, they clapped, they liked me, and I thought, well,
Speaker 1: that's neat. Perhaps I can communicate and connect with people
Speaker 1: and either circumvent or solve problems. And however you want
Speaker 1: to phrase that using storytelling and jokes and you know,
Speaker 1: things like that, and and so I ended up becoming
Speaker 1: that musical theater kid. It was like Charlie and Charlie Brown,
Speaker 1: Scrooge and Scrooge and all that stuff. And it was
Speaker 1: tons of fun. But I didn't really know what I
Speaker 1: was doing yet, and I hadn't. I fell in love
Speaker 1: with it later on, when I started getting some parts
Speaker 1: that I really cared about. When I wasn't playing some
Speaker 1: stereotypical jock that I probably avoided in high school. You know,
Speaker 1: it was like character acting for me, but I felt
Speaker 1: typed and I was grateful to work, but I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like I was stretching. I didn't show compelled.
Speaker 1: It was more like, hey, this is better and structure
Speaker 1: this weekend's rent um. So yeah, eventually I just fell
Speaker 1: in love with it, and it it went from being
Speaker 1: something a little selfish and protective to becoming something far
Speaker 1: more I guess meaningful to me. You know, whether it's
Speaker 1: a fart joke or some social activism. You can really
Speaker 1: make a difference in the world doing what we do,
Speaker 1: even negatively, you know. So with that comes a lot
Speaker 1: of responsibility, especially when you're given the opportunity to bring
Speaker 1: characters like this to life that are so very much
Speaker 1: alive already internationally. I couldn't believe the impact of reach
Speaker 1: this this had with or without me before I had
Speaker 1: anything to do with it. Totally. I mean, we first
Speaker 1: of all, that's a really beautiful story, and thank you
Speaker 1: for sharing that with us. Thank you about how you
Speaker 1: sort of got into it, because it's supposed to be
Speaker 1: happy story. It is a happy story. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: think it's interesting you touched on something where you said
Speaker 1: the initial part of it was I think you said selfish,
Speaker 1: and I don't necessarily agree with that. I think protective
Speaker 1: maybe definitely, But I don't think learning to protect yourself,
Speaker 1: learning to communicate the way you feel best to communicate
Speaker 1: is selfish in anyway. I think you did what you
Speaker 1: did best, and you use the skill set that you
Speaker 1: had to evolve into the human you are, and we're
Speaker 1: all grateful for the human you are. So yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: it's maybe it's not as selfish as you think it is.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I appreciate the perspective a
Speaker 1: great deal. Yeah, I guess that's just my way of
Speaker 1: saying that in the beginning. I definitely did it from me.
Speaker 1: But ideah, and know what I'm saying, it's different. That's
Speaker 1: necessarily a bad thing, you know. I think it's a
Speaker 1: good thing to a few. Anyway, Why don't we talk
Speaker 1: about the beginnings of because you again touched on it,
Speaker 1: so just moving on from that. And we talked about
Speaker 1: this with a lot of people. But joining a show
Speaker 1: like Shadow answers that's already been done as books and
Speaker 1: it's already been done as a movie, and everyone has
Speaker 1: a concept of who Jason Clary Hodge are, and everyone's
Speaker 1: is a little bit different, especially from your book fans,
Speaker 1: because when you read a book, everyone sees whoever that
Speaker 1: person is and they see the differently. What was that
Speaker 1: like for you? How did you feel? Obviously we the
Speaker 1: show in a slightly different way than the books in
Speaker 1: the movie, well, and for those who haven't read the books,
Speaker 1: For those folks out there who don't know Hodge, your
Speaker 1: character in the books is sort of an elderly librarian
Speaker 1: esque professor type, which you very clearly were not, and
Speaker 1: we were quickly given a rather quipping nickname by the fandom,
Speaker 1: which I think we all have forgot about that wonderful Yes,
Speaker 1: you were very quickly dubbed hot Hodge by the shadow fan. Um,
Speaker 1: and rightly so. But but tell us a little bit
Speaker 1: about that and what your experience was like when you first,
Speaker 1: you know, got the audition and read the part, and
Speaker 1: what your thoughts were and sort of that whole. Tell
Speaker 1: us a little bit about your audition process. My goodness, well,
Speaker 1: as a fan myself of things like this, I just
Speaker 1: felt this tremendous responsibility. Um. I didn't know what I
Speaker 1: was going to come up with, I didn't know how
Speaker 1: they were going to respond to it, but I immediately
Speaker 1: delved into the source material because I've always had at
Speaker 1: least I think, if you're going to do something new,
Speaker 1: take something new in a new direction, that that's that's wonderful, um,
Speaker 1: And there's nothing wrong with that, but I think you
Speaker 1: need to do it with the utmost respect for the
Speaker 1: source material. And so I looked for nuances, little nods.
Speaker 1: Getting ahead of myself here, but at one point I've
Speaker 1: read one line about how Hodge had a favorite blue
Speaker 1: chipped mug. And you know, nobody was really paying attention
Speaker 1: to me at the time. I don't think or what
Speaker 1: I'm saying was like it was on a smaller scale,
Speaker 1: but I still I went to Twitter. Um, I approved
Speaker 1: it with the art department. I said, we whittled it
Speaker 1: down to three and they asked me to pick, and
Speaker 1: I thought that was really cool. So we let the
Speaker 1: fans pick, you know, and they picked the one I
Speaker 1: wanted anyway, which that's good. It wasn't ragged, it wasn't
Speaker 1: um but it was a very cute experience. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so funny you bring that that up, because that's
Speaker 1: the first conversation I remember having with you. And and
Speaker 1: this is the thing that you know, Yeah, well, for
Speaker 1: for someone that you know plays characters that are often
Speaker 1: very action oriented, you are such a contemplative and thoughtful person,
Speaker 1: and you put so much care into all the details
Speaker 1: of your characters. And it's always been one of something
Speaker 1: I've respected and really found most fascinating about you. Um,
Speaker 1: But that was something that you know, I always heard
Speaker 1: out about little character and things like that, and I
Speaker 1: know does too, and likewise, yeah, yeah, well, in the
Speaker 1: fact that you came on to set and we were
Speaker 1: sitting there and makeup trail and you like, there's this
Speaker 1: mug and I read this thing and I want to
Speaker 1: put it in and I don't know who to talk
Speaker 1: to it. I don't know, like where should we where
Speaker 1: should I go? I want to I want to make
Speaker 1: sure that this is a part of him. Instantly, I
Speaker 1: was inspired by you on you know, the like the
Speaker 1: first day on set. So just it's it's really amazing
Speaker 1: that you, you know, come into something and are are
Speaker 1: instantly diving into the world head first. Oh no, that's
Speaker 1: still mutual, I felt, says the first dance. That's kind
Speaker 1: of a blur, but I sort of remember just the
Speaker 1: feeling of the first scene I did. I think you
Speaker 1: were both in it. I couldn't with your introduction. I
Speaker 1: think we were introducing you in the in the training area.
Speaker 1: I just felt as if waking up is not the
Speaker 1: right word, but I think we just did a read
Speaker 1: or something. It just remember feeling whoa, okay, like we're
Speaker 1: coming in hot, like this might actually really be something,
Speaker 1: you know, And so I think that's what fired me
Speaker 1: up on the day. I mean, because of course, you
Speaker 1: you've got to work with the best intentions. I think
Speaker 1: of it athletically now, where you know you might not
Speaker 1: win the game, but you're you're driving into work. It's
Speaker 1: game time. You know, you're eating your wheaties, You're trying
Speaker 1: to be sharp and prepared and all that good stuff.
Speaker 1: Assuming that's what that role calls for, and that's your process,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And it's just so refreshing
Speaker 1: when you show up and the people on the team
Speaker 1: want to be there and they've done the work and
Speaker 1: they're ready to work and play, and they're not married
Speaker 1: to all of their ideas, but they've got a ton
Speaker 1: you know. I just immediately I went, oh, I don't
Speaker 1: need to worry about any of this. I just need
Speaker 1: to be really present. You know, we had a similar
Speaker 1: experience with you a this it was with the hand.
Speaker 1: Um so we'll, you know, we'll jump back and forth
Speaker 1: to what we were talking about. But I don't know
Speaker 1: if you remember that day. And this is one of
Speaker 1: the days that I that I will treasure as a
Speaker 1: memory between you and I because they threw that torture
Speaker 1: scene at us, like the morning off. Do you remember
Speaker 1: when your hand was lopped off and I was trying
Speaker 1: to get information about where Valentine is and I put
Speaker 1: my thumb in your stump and they were like, so
Speaker 1: that stump for everyone out there was literally like was
Speaker 1: it cardboard or newspaper or something. They just wrapped up
Speaker 1: and poured blood because we didn't have the prosthetic yet,
Speaker 1: they just through something at you. Yeah, And this is
Speaker 1: something that was so great about working with John is
Speaker 1: that preparedness really came into fruition there where it's like, Hey,
Speaker 1: we're going to throw the scene at you that you're
Speaker 1: not really supposed to do for another couple of days,
Speaker 1: but we're just here, so we're going to do it.
Speaker 1: And you're like, oh, ship, okay, great, let's just dive
Speaker 1: into that headspace. And he did, and his performance is
Speaker 1: incredible and he's consistently amazing screen partner to have, so
Speaker 1: thank you for that. I'm speechless. Feel the exact same
Speaker 1: way you made it. You made it so easy. I
Speaker 1: didn't feel curveballed. I don't remember if anything. It was
Speaker 1: just kind of funny and exciting and yeah, you were
Speaker 1: scary man sometimes sometimes, you know, I would see some
Speaker 1: of the episodes and I think we got a little
Speaker 1: too adult there. They cut around it a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know, a little too bloody or a little too
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It is just sometimes we
Speaker 1: got we really you know, we were in it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got we got dark in a couple of times. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly exactly, which is okay, but we still want to
Speaker 1: be entertaining and yeah for accessible. Yeah, well it's tricky
Speaker 1: when you're discussing this sort of subject matter like we're
Speaker 1: you know, we're talking about sort of the shadow hunts
Speaker 1: equivalent of like hunting terrorists. Um, and it's that sort
Speaker 1: of question of like how far are you willing to
Speaker 1: go to? You know, you're willing to murder one to
Speaker 1: save a hundreds? Maybe not are you willing to murder
Speaker 1: one to save a thousand? I don't know, it's you know,
Speaker 1: and then you get in that weird sort of headspace
Speaker 1: and like as the actors trying to portray that we
Speaker 1: were in that place, we're in that questioning department of
Speaker 1: like what what are you willing to do to to
Speaker 1: do the things that you know a right overall? But
Speaker 1: you have to take steps that you know wrong along
Speaker 1: the way and whatever. And I think there are times, yeah,
Speaker 1: where the editors went in and went yea ch well
Speaker 1: and to to kind of second that as well. Hard
Speaker 1: just such an interesting character in regard to that because
Speaker 1: of his past. He's a very loyal character. But to
Speaker 1: what and to what end? And it's it was so
Speaker 1: interesting watching back because we were all so you know,
Speaker 1: in our own storylines in season one, trying to figure
Speaker 1: out what the show was. It's so interesting to watch
Speaker 1: it back and see all of the detail and all
Speaker 1: of the color that you really you brought to that storyline.
Speaker 1: And that's that struggle, and that's sort of wanting to
Speaker 1: find a place where you were valued as as a
Speaker 1: soldier and as a fighter, and where your loyalty was valued.
Speaker 1: And ultimately I almost felt bad for Hodge because doors
Speaker 1: kept getting shut in his face, left, right, and center,
Speaker 1: even though he was proving his loyalty and risking life
Speaker 1: and literal limb for whoever he thought was going to
Speaker 1: be there for him on the other side. Precisely, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember, I wanted to the audience too feel conflicted. Um.
Speaker 1: I thought, if they uniformly adore this guy, I'm not
Speaker 1: doing my job. And if they uniformly loathed this guy,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing my job. I don't know, if you
Speaker 1: want to get into see see his his morality right
Speaker 1: off the jump here, let's do it. But when I auditioned,
Speaker 1: when I auditioned, I I think I did it British
Speaker 1: to lend an erudition, to try Tom and I was
Speaker 1: ready to get this streak and the hair, the scarring
Speaker 1: we kept. But I was that first down set they
Speaker 1: said you're not British and you're taking your shirt off,
Speaker 1: and I was really confused. Uh, yeah, you know these things,
Speaker 1: these these decisions, Uh, some things were still happening on
Speaker 1: the fly, I guess, and so I had sort of
Speaker 1: a vision given the source material. But but I, like
Speaker 1: you said, it was still very formative while we collaboratively
Speaker 1: put those pieces together. M hm, yeah it was. It
Speaker 1: was really interesting to see the evolution of the character.
Speaker 1: But I think so back to the casting for a moment.
Speaker 1: Cassandra Claire actually spoke up saying that, no, he's actually
Speaker 1: closer to the real age in the book. The movie
Speaker 1: sort of took this Alfreddy spin. Yeah, and I liked
Speaker 1: I loved it actually, but I think I was tasked
Speaker 1: with being you know, when your older brother or sister
Speaker 1: or it's just somebody baby sits you and not. They're
Speaker 1: old enough to not quite be a peer for a stage,
Speaker 1: but they're not parent level or guardian level. If this
Speaker 1: makes a sense. It really exactly what you're saying. Right.
Speaker 1: So when when the kids, so to speak, were younger,
Speaker 1: I mean, he fell in love with them. He would
Speaker 1: never ever want to hurt those kids. Um as they age,
Speaker 1: they become his peers and some of them even in
Speaker 1: many ways is superior. And so I think I had
Speaker 1: this idea in my head that he was a little
Speaker 1: older too. So the breakdown said no beards at all.
Speaker 1: The show will have no beards, and I broke that
Speaker 1: rule and that probably worked in my favorite a little bit.
Speaker 1: Uh Yeah, I just I don't think I ever thought
Speaker 1: I was gonna get it, but I just thought it
Speaker 1: was the coolest audition I've seen in a long time,
Speaker 1: and so I was gonna have fun doing it, you know.
Speaker 1: And then what we end up seeing on screen is
Speaker 1: this puzzle some of the stuff that I brought. And
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you're in my mind anyway,
Speaker 1: you're a tradesman, so it's not about me showing up
Speaker 1: and going I want to put this window in your house.
Speaker 1: If you go, not my style, put this one in.
Speaker 1: Then it's my job to do that as best I can.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, really interesting allegory. I've never
Speaker 1: really heard it described that way, but you're right, there
Speaker 1: is definitely an element of that. You know, you come
Speaker 1: in and you have to match thematically what the idea is,
Speaker 1: especially earlier, especially in the audition process. You know, if
Speaker 1: you come in and go, now I'm doing this, they're
Speaker 1: going to go, Okay, well that's not what we asked for.
Speaker 1: So let's see likes in the job we hired you
Speaker 1: to do. You won't work for long, you know, if
Speaker 1: it's difficult and if you have a better idea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all of the time so interesting. But it was very
Speaker 1: apparent from from the rewatch that you were having so
Speaker 1: much fun with this character. And we got to see,
Speaker 1: you know, from Hodge coming in with all the you
Speaker 1: were one of the first people that got to use
Speaker 1: our boards and use the little shadow Hunter computer information systems.
Speaker 1: Go these warlocks and this information and this is the
Speaker 1: mission you have to go on, and there's there's so
Speaker 1: much We talk a lot about this early on in
Speaker 1: the rewatches, but each of us got to establish different
Speaker 1: parts of the world. You know, Harry got to establish
Speaker 1: the Warlocks, Domini and and Emrod and Matt got to
Speaker 1: establish the shadow Hunters, you know, and you got to
Speaker 1: establish so much with like the Circle Rooin and our screens,
Speaker 1: and you got you were one of the first of
Speaker 1: the quote unquote grown ups of the Shadow Hunters to
Speaker 1: come in and set the tone of what the world
Speaker 1: was that this new generation is coming into. And you know,
Speaker 1: so we owe a lot of the richness of that
Speaker 1: world to those ideas that you brought, and to the
Speaker 1: kind of window that you had ideas about putting in
Speaker 1: our house. Oh my gosh, you're too kind, too kind. No,
Speaker 1: walked onto that set and it just looked so good
Speaker 1: and felt so good. Those costumes, how fun great we
Speaker 1: were Ninja pirates. Yeah. You had a background in martial
Speaker 1: arts pre the show, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. UM tell
Speaker 1: us a little about that, because obviously that benefited you
Speaker 1: and ended up benefiting me massively as well, like having
Speaker 1: a good dance partner at the end, is it is
Speaker 1: so much finely helpful. UM, tell us a little bit
Speaker 1: about first of all, how you got into martial arts
Speaker 1: and then how that influenced your shadow into his great.
Speaker 1: I've been studying martial arts and many for far longer
Speaker 1: than I've been acting. I think that was maybe one
Speaker 1: of my first loves and first defense mechanisms. You know,
Speaker 1: before I found acting or guitar writing or things like that.
Speaker 1: It was my antidepressant, my anti drug. It was just
Speaker 1: very early on recognized that, oh, if I break a sweat,
Speaker 1: I feel better. And if I feel better, I think smarter.
Speaker 1: And I mean I'm dumbing it down for myself here,
Speaker 1: but I think more better, I do better. Wow. I
Speaker 1: couldn't even get that. And so you know, growing up,
Speaker 1: of course, I just idolized guys like Bruce Lee and
Speaker 1: Muhammad Ali who you know, they had avant garde um
Speaker 1: social justice ideas uh and and you know they just
Speaker 1: did so much in their lives with and without the
Speaker 1: martial arts, so to speak. Um. And I was just
Speaker 1: drawn to a lot of these guys who what I
Speaker 1: The main takeaway from me was process that learning a
Speaker 1: back flip reinforced everything that you learn you learn to
Speaker 1: ride your bike. I guess which is you know, you
Speaker 1: fall down and you can get up and do better
Speaker 1: and eventually succeed. And I think it's a very valuable
Speaker 1: lesson that UM. For me, reinforcing that constantly is really healthy.
Speaker 1: And then I also found it to be meditation and
Speaker 1: motion because you know, being upside down own if you're
Speaker 1: doing something acrobatic is really to me, it's scary. It's
Speaker 1: hard work. So I can't think I'm not worried about
Speaker 1: getting the job or not when I'm worried about landing
Speaker 1: on my feet right. And so as a young person,
Speaker 1: especially in going through you know that pubest informative period
Speaker 1: or even in college when you're just finding yourself, you're
Speaker 1: individuating and all of that, I don't know, I just
Speaker 1: found it was sort of a compass that kept pulling
Speaker 1: me back. And Shadow Hunters actually, UM, I hadn't been
Speaker 1: doing as much as for a little while, and as
Speaker 1: soon as I got the part, I got really serious.
Speaker 1: It's in my spare time in case we got to
Speaker 1: use any of it, and so it was something that
Speaker 1: it was a gift actually because even you know, after
Speaker 1: after my time on the show, I kept up UM
Speaker 1: and that has led to you know, the work I'm
Speaker 1: doing now, yeah, on the Flash flying around and fighting
Speaker 1: people and you know, and what a small world, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it was Yeah, yeah, what a small world to
Speaker 1: sort of end up full circle Arrow sister. Yeah, in
Speaker 1: in the same same superhero world, still on opposite sides
Speaker 1: of well sort of. I don't know. Both of our
Speaker 1: characters in that world are but on the fence of
Speaker 1: good and evil. But that makes it fun in the
Speaker 1: writer's hands. Yea, every script I get do I die?
Speaker 1: Am I good or evil? You know exactly, no idea
Speaker 1: skipped to the end. Let's figure it out. So I
Speaker 1: don't know if that answer to your question or not.
Speaker 1: It did. Yeah, No, it does, And I'm glad you're
Speaker 1: keeping it up because you you I mean, you came
Speaker 1: into the show. I think the first thing we see
Speaker 1: of Hodge is you're training with the young lady in
Speaker 1: the training center and a sort of in semi spectacular fashion,
Speaker 1: and then we come in break the Reverie. But then
Speaker 1: there are sort of three like very spectacular Hodge fights,
Speaker 1: especially in season or throughout season one. There's that one,
Speaker 1: there's the one with the facake can, which will talk
Speaker 1: about where you do this this like round off flip
Speaker 1: but on the stick, which is just incredible, like an
Speaker 1: incredible thing to have asking someone did John do that?
Speaker 1: And they were like, yeah, John did that. I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: that's some pretty gnarly stuff. And then we had the
Speaker 1: fight at the end as well, which will again we'll
Speaker 1: get into um, but it's, you know, so much fun
Speaker 1: in I mean, freezing ask cold in a skate park
Speaker 1: all made out of concretes that like just pull down.
Speaker 1: Doesn't get any more legitimate than that, though, doesn't know,
Speaker 1: but that was again like, it's a good thing. It's
Speaker 1: you know, we've talked about this quite a bit over
Speaker 1: the course of the show, obviously, being so stunts heavy,
Speaker 1: and it's such a huge part of it as having
Speaker 1: someone that you trust, having someone that you you know,
Speaker 1: a dance partner that you you trust is coming out
Speaker 1: this from a smart, measured, I guess attack point, because
Speaker 1: anything less than that is dangerous and you don't want
Speaker 1: to be working in a dangerous place. And I felt
Speaker 1: safe with you, I really did. Likewise, yeah, I certainly
Speaker 1: I have not felt safe working with a lot of
Speaker 1: different people. Really I couldn't. I couldn't agree more. But
Speaker 1: saying oh, yeah, I've been injured through for lack of
Speaker 1: a better word, ignorance, I guess you know that there's
Speaker 1: almost no excuse for the the accident happening other than
Speaker 1: somebody thinking they had a better idea didn't run. Issue.
Speaker 1: That's sort of improving is not yet and you can't
Speaker 1: there's no there's no room for it in this in
Speaker 1: this world. You know, it's like improving in a fight
Speaker 1: stops being a fight scene and it's a fight. Then
Speaker 1: if you don't know what's coming, it's a fight. You're
Speaker 1: in a fight, and it's impossible to deal with right
Speaker 1: Um to me, you're playing a song together and if
Speaker 1: you both first of all, you both have to be
Speaker 1: able to play that song really well. But then you
Speaker 1: have to kind of you have to try to stay
Speaker 1: in the same time with one another. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: if either one of us just speeds it up or
Speaker 1: slows it down, we might a mess here, if that
Speaker 1: makes makes sense. And so of course I think it's
Speaker 1: worth being I mean, of course, be alive and be
Speaker 1: well trained, and you know there's some flexibility, but I
Speaker 1: really think when it comes to stunts, then you almost
Speaker 1: have to be overpractical. Keep second nature has to be
Speaker 1: like something you're not even thinking about, Like I need
Speaker 1: to think about the performance, the rest of it, what
Speaker 1: my hands in my arms and my face and my
Speaker 1: head and my legs are doing my body needs to
Speaker 1: do that. It needs to do that on its own,
Speaker 1: and then I'm aware of like and then I guess
Speaker 1: it helps me to like if it's if it's sort
Speaker 1: of it's almost like doing an accent, like if you're
Speaker 1: if you're physically feeling like, these are the motions that
Speaker 1: we're doing, and this is what we're playing here. Then
Speaker 1: as soon as something changes, your body tells you someone's
Speaker 1: wrong and I don't know what it is, but like
Speaker 1: an arms out of place, or a foot's out of place,
Speaker 1: or something's coming at me from the wrong angle or whatever,
Speaker 1: and you just you sort of see it in like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's alien. All of a sudden, somebody used to stop
Speaker 1: like it's off. You know, yeah, well that's that's something.
Speaker 1: You know. We talked about how fund stunts are and
Speaker 1: how much we love fighting and doing all this stuff
Speaker 1: all the time. But it we were able to have
Speaker 1: fun on a show like Shadow Hunters because of the
Speaker 1: trust and the practice that all of us had and
Speaker 1: because we all took the safety aspect of it so seriously.
Speaker 1: And it's you know, in the true fashion of don't
Speaker 1: try this at home, kids, you know, it's very much
Speaker 1: It takes a lot of work, and and that's something
Speaker 1: that you know in both you two. I I have
Speaker 1: massive respect for Well, I was gonna say to your credit,
Speaker 1: and I'm fairly certain most, if not all, of the cast,
Speaker 1: you all just went gung home with training, and I
Speaker 1: thought that was so cool. I mean, in a post
Speaker 1: Marvel world, now we see more of it, but even
Speaker 1: at that time, it was a little more uncommon and
Speaker 1: more transformative. I mean, you transformed your bodies. It was
Speaker 1: wild because we want to see so much growth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a lot of fun. All that growth off
Speaker 1: screen translates, you know, it enriched the character's growth on
Speaker 1: the screen. You know. I was just remarkable to see
Speaker 1: them all grow up together and more ass Absolutely right, yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely well. And also, you know, speaking of transformation, your
Speaker 1: character went through quite a transformation on the show. You
Speaker 1: start off as this sort of older brother, teacher, caretaker
Speaker 1: as it were, and by the end, you're arguably one
Speaker 1: of the biggest villains of season one, maybe maybe a
Speaker 1: morally questionable pivotal role for sure. I don't know if
Speaker 1: i'd say villain because and the reason I say that
Speaker 1: is because I'm in the scene with you in season two.
Speaker 1: I'm in the scene with you where we have parallel cells,
Speaker 1: and I remember coming was such a good scene and
Speaker 1: and the reason why I liked it so much is
Speaker 1: I came into it with my sort of motivation being
Speaker 1: fuck this guy. Fuck this guy, like he betrayed as
Speaker 1: all he's led to so many issues. Fun this guy.
Speaker 1: And then the performance, the conversation that we had with
Speaker 1: each other really mellowed me as Jakes like it mellowed
Speaker 1: and I ended up sympathizing. Like that's how that scene
Speaker 1: ends with like maybe he's right, like maybe he did
Speaker 1: get a bad rap with this, And would I've made
Speaker 1: those choices, Probably not. But can I blame him for
Speaker 1: making them? I don't know. I don't know if I
Speaker 1: can um And I think that's in my head and
Speaker 1: I think I've said this before on this show. That's
Speaker 1: what makes a good like villain or not even villain
Speaker 1: in this case, like that, that's what makes a good
Speaker 1: sort of antithesis is someone you can kind of get
Speaker 1: behind their ideology, you know what I mean, someone who
Speaker 1: you're like I kind of get it, like I kind
Speaker 1: of get like Thanos is a great example, Like he
Speaker 1: wanted to do genocide. That's a horrible idea, but he
Speaker 1: wanted to do it to preserve life. Is he a
Speaker 1: bad guy because his motivations, I mean, he's obviously a
Speaker 1: bad guy. He wants to do a genesis, Like it's
Speaker 1: a genesis, a genocide. He it's a horrendous thing to
Speaker 1: to contemplate, but his motivations in his head a positive.
Speaker 1: If so, there has to be a world in which
Speaker 1: you're like, I get what you're trying to do, but
Speaker 1: not this way. This isn't how happens, you know, And
Speaker 1: that's that. That was a cool thing for me to
Speaker 1: experience with you, for sure. Yeah, I just thought that
Speaker 1: was probably. I mean, it's the crux of the character.
Speaker 1: Is the most interesting part of the character for me
Speaker 1: is that. I mean, I'm I'm sure you've played a
Speaker 1: lot of unsavory characters yourself, and I mean, correct me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. But I think it's not our job
Speaker 1: to agree with what's on the page, with what they do,
Speaker 1: but it is our job to try to compassionately empathize
Speaker 1: with their motivations, to to figure out what those are,
Speaker 1: whether we agree with them or not. I did ten
Speaker 1: murders to feed my son. Okay, well let's let's whether
Speaker 1: I agree or not. Let's examine this, right. And so
Speaker 1: Hodge was tons of fun in that way. There was
Speaker 1: there was lots of double speak, but at the same
Speaker 1: time so much sincerity. Um. I do believe that he
Speaker 1: thought he could get away with taking control of his
Speaker 1: own circumstances. He felt disproportionately punished post circle uprising and
Speaker 1: all of that, and I think he believed in it
Speaker 1: for a time, and at some point enough just seemed
Speaker 1: like enough he saw other people being free or being pardoned,
Speaker 1: you know, at some point he just I think felt
Speaker 1: like he got a really short end of the stick.
Speaker 1: And at some point, you know, maybe he'd have to
Speaker 1: sacrifice a lot of different things. But I don't think
Speaker 1: he ever meant to sacrifice any people. And of course
Speaker 1: we could argue, like duh, what did you think was
Speaker 1: going to happen? Um? But when you're in it, you're
Speaker 1: in it. Yeah, And he didn't. He doesn't put any triggers,
Speaker 1: like he's not that guy he hands the gun off,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't put any triggers necessarily. Um. And like
Speaker 1: you say, you know, it's it's it is about empathizing.
Speaker 1: It is about understanding these people that whether we agree
Speaker 1: with them or not, like we have to, I have
Speaker 1: to understand who they are. Otherwise I'm just saying words
Speaker 1: loud that doing otherwise, you know, like I have to
Speaker 1: get it to a certain extent, whether I agree with
Speaker 1: it or not, for whatever whatever it is, that has
Speaker 1: to be a world in which I get it. I
Speaker 1: get this choice. And I think if there's anything we've
Speaker 1: learned over over the years, at least especially the last
Speaker 1: couple of years, and as our world has become arguably
Speaker 1: more divisive than ever, it's it's all about listening and
Speaker 1: understanding and trying to go, Okay, I don't agree with
Speaker 1: your perspective, but why do you feel this way? And
Speaker 1: let me try and understand it so that we can
Speaker 1: solve it. And that's sort of how how you have
Speaker 1: to approach characters like that as go Okay, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't agree, this isn't right necessarily, but but you
Speaker 1: have a reason, and what is it? And let's figure
Speaker 1: it out. And that's kind of the most fascinating part.
Speaker 1: And there's a reason we tell stories about good people
Speaker 1: and bad people and people in between, because we're all
Speaker 1: human and we can all you know, connect and relate
Speaker 1: in some way form or fashion. Oh yes, we have
Speaker 1: firsts and seconds and thirds and states and phases. And
Speaker 1: it baffles me sometimes when somebody talks about somebody they
Speaker 1: haven't seen for twenty years, is if they still know
Speaker 1: that person a day, You know, so and so might
Speaker 1: be man. They might have leveled that they are different,
Speaker 1: might have taken a lot of accountability. It might have
Speaker 1: leveled down different like twenty years ago, whether you went
Speaker 1: up down, nobody stayed the same for twenty years. That's
Speaker 1: that's my genuine opinion. You did not, even if you
Speaker 1: felt like you did twenty years worth of experiences, Even
Speaker 1: if you stayed in your house, you had twenty winters
Speaker 1: and twenty summers and you experienced them twenty different ways,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's the experience of inexperience
Speaker 1: even exactly. Yeah, and that has changed you in a
Speaker 1: way as well, Like every every day we're evolving and
Speaker 1: we're moving and and you can't be the same person.
Speaker 1: And that, I think is what makes interesting characters too,
Speaker 1: is if if you sort of developed this understanding and
Speaker 1: I'm still working on it for sure. This under the
Speaker 1: year right, like as soon as you stopped learning, then
Speaker 1: why you still doing it? But it's it's that it's
Speaker 1: that question of like, well, the scene I just did
Speaker 1: happened three days ago. It's what happened to me in
Speaker 1: those three days. I didn't spend three days walking from
Speaker 1: there to here, and if I did, what happened in
Speaker 1: that walk like there was there's there's three days. There's
Speaker 1: seventy two hours of time that stuff happened to me?
Speaker 1: What was it? How do we how do we develop
Speaker 1: this into a into a thing? I knew this was
Speaker 1: going to happen when we got you on. I knew
Speaker 1: we were going to get into a much more existential
Speaker 1: like acting theory, that's what we do. Yeah, I knew
Speaker 1: that this is what was going to happen for sure.
Speaker 1: I was like I looked at the brief briefly and
Speaker 1: I was like, there's no way get any of that.
Speaker 1: I was concerned that digressive. No, it's great, We're both
Speaker 1: to the point of this. This is the whole point
Speaker 1: of this podcast. And everyone has a different perspective. Everyone
Speaker 1: has a different idea. So talking to you about acting
Speaker 1: and talking to Alberto about acting, who also went we
Speaker 1: went very deep into theory. But it's two completely different
Speaker 1: perspectives from two different worlds. So it's these are new
Speaker 1: conversations that not only we get to have, but we
Speaker 1: get to share with people. We get to tell people
Speaker 1: our experiences. You know, a lot of people when we
Speaker 1: do these conventions and stuff, I'll get the question probably
Speaker 1: wants at least per convention, I want to be an actor.
Speaker 1: Do you have any advice? I say, yeah, I do.
Speaker 1: I have a whole ship ton of advice. But my
Speaker 1: advice is going to be different from Cats, Who's going
Speaker 1: to be different from John's, different from Mats, different from Alberto's.
Speaker 1: My number one piece of advice honestly, talk to as
Speaker 1: many different actors as you can and take little bits
Speaker 1: that you like from every single one of them. Because
Speaker 1: that's what I did. That's why growing up, every actor
Speaker 1: I worked with, even if it was I took something
Speaker 1: that like hate that, and I don't ever want to
Speaker 1: do that because it's for whatever reason, you know, but
Speaker 1: it's now it's in my backpack. I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to be that. I don't ever want to do
Speaker 1: that or something where I'm like, that's incredible. I'm having that.
Speaker 1: That's now going in my little thing. Something as simple
Speaker 1: as like one of my very early jobs, there was
Speaker 1: a guy who made a point of learning everyone's name.
Speaker 1: Day one, he went around and made a point so
Speaker 1: like at lunch he went round and like solidified everyone's name.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's not only I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: a normal like that's how you should be at work,
Speaker 1: just as respecting to everybody's name. But there's two hundred
Speaker 1: people on set, which is tricky. But he spent those
Speaker 1: first couple of days like making sure it was done,
Speaker 1: and it made everyone feel like special and made everyone
Speaker 1: feel seen and it's a really important thing to do.
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's lovely and it's made me
Speaker 1: really like you, and I'm having it. I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: sure that that's something I do. You know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, especially when we're fortunate enough to be in
Speaker 1: lead positions, but but in general, I do believe that
Speaker 1: no matter what your process is, part of part of
Speaker 1: the job is being pleasant with with other people. And
Speaker 1: if you can do anything that brightened someone's day in
Speaker 1: the way that it's constructive, it's not necessarily you know okay,
Speaker 1: Captain Love and Sunshine. We have work to do right
Speaker 1: right right? Yeah, exactly do it quick? Yeah? Yeah? Can
Speaker 1: you not drop a line today? Yeah? That's my camera
Speaker 1: up on this show. I just finished partner track. Mean, congratulated.
Speaker 1: They haven't told me about it's going out. Um. I
Speaker 1: developed a very good relationship with camera, lots of people
Speaker 1: with camera Patrick, and we would have that conversation over
Speaker 1: the time where it'd be like, hey, man, how's it going,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, good, dude, good, good good. Are you gonna
Speaker 1: step on your fucking mark today? And I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try. There's a guy there, Mart, He's like, I'm
Speaker 1: sick of him stepping on me. Yes, could you not
Speaker 1: stop on me today? Exactly? So literal, you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's really amazing when you get to work on
Speaker 1: a project because we've all worked on so many different
Speaker 1: projects over the years and so many different things and
Speaker 1: meant a ton of groups of people. But at least
Speaker 1: for me, Shadow Hunters will always be special because of
Speaker 1: the people. And as you say, so much of it
Speaker 1: is being pleasant and being personal and getting to know folks.
Speaker 1: And we say that, but it's not always the case.
Speaker 1: And it's not always as warm and as as familial
Speaker 1: feeling as Shadow Hunters. And you know, that's something that
Speaker 1: that I think each of us could has has taken
Speaker 1: with us and really appreciated. But it's it's really wonderful
Speaker 1: when you can walk onto a set and go, oh,
Speaker 1: these people are excited to be here, They're excited for
Speaker 1: what the story that we're going to tell. Their wonderful
Speaker 1: people and also incredible artists, and that's you know, that's
Speaker 1: Shadow Hunters. And then you bring the fandom in and
Speaker 1: it just becomes a dream. Absolutely. Let me ask you
Speaker 1: a question, John, do you think because I have it,
Speaker 1: I have sort of a loose ish theory about how
Speaker 1: this happened with sort of the closeness and the niceties
Speaker 1: on set and whatever. Have you found that more in
Speaker 1: Canada than anywhere else? Not really interesting? Well, I did
Speaker 1: a British TV show for a while and we were
Speaker 1: really really tight. It was it was location in South Africa,
Speaker 1: and but those things don't would so South Africa I
Speaker 1: felt it as well. That's what I mean. It's not
Speaker 1: necessarily the actors, or the first team as they call it,
Speaker 1: although obviously if the first team shitty then it tends
Speaker 1: to roll downhill. Um. But a lot of the crew
Speaker 1: it was very helpful. And I found South African crew
Speaker 1: too to be And I've never really worked with crew
Speaker 1: that I found negative at any point, but I've definitely
Speaker 1: had more experiences where I'm like, wow, this is really
Speaker 1: like exceptionally pleasant, and Canada was one of those. I'm
Speaker 1: so glad. Yeah, it definitely doesn't happen for me that
Speaker 1: on every job. We just hang out or adults now
Speaker 1: people are married with children or this or that. I mean,
Speaker 1: we we don't Sometimes were their work and you know,
Speaker 1: if if there's some kind of a bond that forms organically, great, um,
Speaker 1: but if not, that's that's fine too. Hm. And Shadow
Speaker 1: Hunters was just this immediate gel. I don't know what
Speaker 1: the secret ingredient was, but a lot of us I
Speaker 1: think we're it's starting to I'm starting to question whether
Speaker 1: or not they put some ship in the water, like
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it was we were
Speaker 1: all dosed with something when we walked on. That's why
Speaker 1: everyone just got on. So that was the white dust
Speaker 1: that fell down sometimes the magic pixie dust, the missing
Speaker 1: holy water. Yeah, yeah, seriously, don't tell the vampires. No.
Speaker 1: But but you know, John, you yourself are such a
Speaker 1: creative and such a an artist in so many ways,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think that's a lot of it.
Speaker 1: We're all storytellers, and we're all here to do different things.
Speaker 1: But it's we these briefs every time we do one
Speaker 1: of these, and we always learned something about these people
Speaker 1: that we we've known, like yourself for so many years.
Speaker 1: I had no idea you were a novelist as well,
Speaker 1: so so tell us a little bit. Tell us about
Speaker 1: this novel that you drafted, and and you're writing as well,
Speaker 1: and sort of that aspect. I was convinced that as
Speaker 1: soon as I published the novel, I would I would
Speaker 1: die by by some inverse miracle. The novel was sort
Speaker 1: of this tether. I think I finished the first draft
Speaker 1: when I was nineteen, and again it was something that
Speaker 1: was very I needed, something that nobody could give to
Speaker 1: me or take away, and writing became my choice medium.
Speaker 1: And for example, when I started acting, I realized, okay,
Speaker 1: we answer to directors and producers and writers and even
Speaker 1: our colleagues as we collaborate, and you know, it was
Speaker 1: a medium in which I was more than happy to
Speaker 1: relinquish control. Um. But when it came to my writing,
Speaker 1: there was a part of me that went, now, this
Speaker 1: is I mean, of course, you work with editors and
Speaker 1: you know all of that. You can't be an egoist
Speaker 1: an echo chamber, of course, and I expect to be taken.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't like that guy. Uh And and so I
Speaker 1: think I was a little precious about it for a time,
Speaker 1: and it was just something that I just kept working
Speaker 1: on and kept working on. But as you grow, your
Speaker 1: voice grows, and then the novel grows. And I've done
Speaker 1: a lot since I've I've published short stories and things
Speaker 1: like that. Um, But as you know, acting is so
Speaker 1: full time, especially when you're trying to get something going
Speaker 1: right at the beginning for sure. Yeah, and so I've
Speaker 1: done all kinds of different jobs in my life, but writing,
Speaker 1: I think fiction and non is probably what I'm best at.
Speaker 1: And it's something that i'd like to do, um professionally
Speaker 1: and not not simply for the sake of it, you know,
Speaker 1: not to be another guy with a book. But it's
Speaker 1: it's really special to me and I'm really have to
Speaker 1: share that with the world. And then yeah, that's so excited.
Speaker 1: The short stories as well, and is there is there
Speaker 1: anything we can find now? I would love to pick
Speaker 1: one up. Yeah, there is actually, I mean if the
Speaker 1: easiest way and totally free, if you just if you
Speaker 1: go to my Instagram and you go to writing highlights,
Speaker 1: I'm fairly certain you can swipe up and go to
Speaker 1: a link. Okay, fair warning, it's not very PG thirteen
Speaker 1: most of the time. A lot of these are written
Speaker 1: when I was a little younger, but those are republished there,
Speaker 1: those are all published pieces. If you're interested, I'd be
Speaker 1: honored just taking a note. I'm going to do it
Speaker 1: as soon as we're done today. Thank you. Well, speaking
Speaker 1: of the writing, is there what else is in your future?
Speaker 1: What do you do? You have jobs that you're still
Speaker 1: working on? Is there anything you want to be working on?
Speaker 1: What would what's like John Core's dream next? Yeah? Five years,
Speaker 1: six months, next tomorrow? Writing terminologies? What's the next chapter
Speaker 1: for John Corry? Wow? Well, it's all to be continued,
Speaker 1: isn't it. I mean, not unlike yourselves. I think we
Speaker 1: we people like us, tend to have a lot of
Speaker 1: different things going on, or at least being cooked up,
Speaker 1: and so I was definitely very focused on working on
Speaker 1: the Flash and putting myself through some rigorous training and
Speaker 1: things like that. But now that we're on hiatus of
Speaker 1: segued I'm actually voicing an audiobook. It's not something that
Speaker 1: I wrote. Um, but I'm playing character sci fi right now,
Speaker 1: which is tons of fun. Yeah, right, what is what
Speaker 1: is the book? It's called Affinity and it's actually based
Speaker 1: on a tabletop game that just came out, a good
Speaker 1: steam punky multiple tarring line. Yes, I play the same
Speaker 1: guy in three different timelines and U Yeah, I'm really
Speaker 1: excited for you guys to see it. The arts. That's great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: can you tell us about that character? That sounds amazing?
Speaker 1: Are you not allowed to say I don't want to
Speaker 1: get in? That's a really good question. I don't actually know.
Speaker 1: And yeah, thanks, Yeah, you can tell us after. Because
Speaker 1: I'm a huge I just recently started playing D and
Speaker 1: D for the first time and so much obsessed. It's
Speaker 1: so much fun. So anything in those worlds now I'm
Speaker 1: just fascinated by. There's it's a whole it's a whole
Speaker 1: new world of character building that you know. The the
Speaker 1: actor who loves creating characters and me is like, wait,
Speaker 1: I can do this. In my spare time as well.
Speaker 1: This is also so much fun. Yeah. I was like,
Speaker 1: where's this been all my life? I don't know how
Speaker 1: to do it alone. I don't know how to do
Speaker 1: the math, you know, But I like ideas and voices
Speaker 1: and rolling dice. Yeah. You can make a whole person
Speaker 1: with powers and do stuff. Yeah, let's let's go into
Speaker 1: a new world. Yeah. Yeah, super fun. Congrats, that's so amazing,
Speaker 1: pretty cool. Okay to two part question. If you could
Speaker 1: come back and do another season of the show, let's
Speaker 1: forget that that last scene with Hodge happened, um, and
Speaker 1: you could come back and do another season of the show,
Speaker 1: what do you think he would do? Where do you
Speaker 1: think he would go? Yeah, what's speaking of? What? What
Speaker 1: has happened Hodge? Do you think if you know that
Speaker 1: last scene aside, what would have happened? That's a really
Speaker 1: good question. Would he still be imprisoned? Well, so let's
Speaker 1: say let's toy with the idea a little. So let's
Speaker 1: say then, instead of that scene ending the way it did,
Speaker 1: let's say Jas broke you out and just said go away,
Speaker 1: you go do your Hodge thing. What happens then? What
Speaker 1: from the right man? I would assume he would respect
Speaker 1: and appreciate that given what an enormous you hope. So
Speaker 1: for sure that is expect like basket or so thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, alright.
Speaker 1: I live in New Zealand and that's cool, thank you.
Speaker 1: There's like a New Zealand institute that pops up and
Speaker 1: we're like, wait, what is this. We've never seen that before.
Speaker 1: It's like an Antarctica institute and it's just in a Igloo.
Speaker 1: He's working closely with Elon Musk. Yeah, I'm always alone.
Speaker 1: I'll go first. Yeah, first, shadow Hunter in Space International
Speaker 1: Space Station, shadow Hunter hudgs. If that's not a spinoff,
Speaker 1: I don't know what is. That's if we don't have
Speaker 1: Moon shadow Hunters. Someone's really dropped the bull. It's true.
Speaker 1: It's like the Martian meets shadow Hunters. Yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about the fandom and about all
Speaker 1: of these interactions that we've had. Do you have a
Speaker 1: favorite fan interaction over the years, or something that someone said,
Speaker 1: or some message you've received or any kind of anything
Speaker 1: like that, Um, several. I mean, it's it's it's very
Speaker 1: hard to choose a single one. I mean, there was
Speaker 1: one woman on YouTube who made a song. It was
Speaker 1: really good and really funny about my casting. I had
Speaker 1: never experienced anything like that before. Yeah, it was lovely,
Speaker 1: very heartwarming, very accepting, very complimentary. Um. But fast forward,
Speaker 1: doing a convention in London without you guys, I felt
Speaker 1: so strange, but I thought it was I just thought, oh,
Speaker 1: they're all busy, I guess, so I'm getting on this point.
Speaker 1: Why am I here? What am I if they're not here?
Speaker 1: What am I doing? Um? But I'm so glad I went.
Speaker 1: The fans were just incredible, And for example that there
Speaker 1: was there was this one woman who was weeping in
Speaker 1: my arms and shaking, and I think someone called out.
Speaker 1: They were kind of teasing like something about her being
Speaker 1: a super fan, and and I just sort of made
Speaker 1: this cut it out gesture because she was She had
Speaker 1: just finished telling me that she got out of hospital
Speaker 1: just days before, and she had thought she was going
Speaker 1: to be dead instead of at this thing that she
Speaker 1: had tickets for, and she just broke down sharing it
Speaker 1: and it was it was powerful, and you know, came
Speaker 1: out of nowhere. And it's experiences like that that you
Speaker 1: walk away with that that people have. They share so
Speaker 1: much of themselves sometimes they give you so much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: has a real impact. I honestly, I'm it's this is
Speaker 1: not I'm not trying to be trendy or cheesy, or
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not appealing to anything or anyone. I
Speaker 1: genuinely walk away from these things, blown away, and I
Speaker 1: feel so humbled. You know, we can be so hard
Speaker 1: on ourselves as well, sometimes full of fear and doubt
Speaker 1: and confusion and regret or all kinds of emotions that
Speaker 1: require life skills to conceptualize and deal with on a
Speaker 1: regular basis. I just always feel like, whether it's a
Speaker 1: little or a lot, those experiences make me a better
Speaker 1: person and and a better actor as well. Um I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys were missed. We had tons of fun, but
Speaker 1: you were missed next time. Yeah. Absolutely. But that's that's
Speaker 1: something I always love about the Shadow fam. And you
Speaker 1: hit the nail on the head with that, is that
Speaker 1: it is so humbling and it really does remind you. Yes,
Speaker 1: we play these you know, superheroes or supernatural creatures on screen,
Speaker 1: but everything they go through is so human and that's
Speaker 1: that's what people connect with. And then we get to
Speaker 1: go and we get to meet these people and spend
Speaker 1: time and hear their stories and feel that love. And
Speaker 1: that's that's that's why I think all of us keep
Speaker 1: going back to the Shadow fam and that's why we're
Speaker 1: doing this podcast, and that's why this is so special
Speaker 1: because of these human connections. And you know, again, we
Speaker 1: aren't trying to be cheesy or anything. Is family and
Speaker 1: it's it's we're all kind of bonded because of this story.
Speaker 1: And and there's something there's something special about that. Oh yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: very special. Now. I was tremendously honored that, um, you guys,
Speaker 1: you guys thought to bring me on, And of course, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, we couldn't have done it without you being
Speaker 1: a part of this thing. Like I said, it happened
Speaker 1: so fast and I was so green, but I couldn't
Speaker 1: have I couldn't have been happier to be a part
Speaker 1: of something that means so much to so many people.
Speaker 1: I can't think of a better way to end the episode, honestly,
Speaker 1: like literally, at exactly the thirty minute mark, because we
Speaker 1: started at four thirty my time, you just came out
Speaker 1: with this like wonderful speech about how thankful you are
Speaker 1: for everything. I was like, holy shit, that's fucking perfect.
Speaker 1: Let's just that's how we end the show. That's great.
Speaker 1: You guys are awesome. I'm going to be thinking about
Speaker 1: this all day and wondering if I was clumsy or Rambley. No,
Speaker 1: it was perfect. Man, you are anything, but you know
Speaker 1: we are. We are so grateful. Thank you. I love
Speaker 1: you guys, Thank you so much. I love you too.
Speaker 1: John returned to the Shadows as hosted an executive produced
Speaker 1: by Katherine McNamara and Dominic Sherwood. Our executive producer is Lingley.
Speaker 1: Our senior producer There's are Liz Hayes and Diego Tapia,
Speaker 1: and our producers are Hannah Harris and Kristin Vermilia. Original
Speaker 1: music by Alex Kinsey and performed by Alex Kinsey and
Speaker 1: Katherine McNamara. The episode was mixed by Seth Landscape. Be
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