WEBVTT - Jon Cor 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:37.960 Hello. Oh my goodness. Hello, it is so good to 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:40.480 see you. It's so nice to see you too. Thanks 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:43.320 for having me, buddy. How are you hey? How are 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:46.880 you man? Man? Yeah, I'm doing well. I instantly miss 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:49.600 you even more. Wow, you've got like a full, very 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:53.960 professional setup going on. Such a crow. It's a ruse. 0:00:54.000 --> 0:01:00.400 It's a fake tree beside a palm. Yeah, it's not 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:04.280 quite between two ferns, is it. Yeah, super wide out. 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:07.319 There's another one that no one else could say. Yeah, 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:11.120 there's a secret fern. John, How are you, man, it's 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:14.360 been a minute. It's been a minute for sure. Um, 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:16.800 I don't know where to start. I'm doing very well. Yeah, 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:20.320 good about you. You know, living the dream, living the 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:23.520 actor dream. It's like great for a second and then 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:26.000 like not working and then it's great again, and then 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:29.520 not working again. It's just life forever and ever tell 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:31.720 me about it. I was listening to um a couple 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:33.520 of the other the other episodes that you did, and 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:35.160 you were talking about how, you know, most of us 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:37.520 have to build a career up and we have our 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:39.319 ups and downs, and we have a lot of challenges 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:40.920 and we learn a lot of things along the way. 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:44.800 And yeah, so quite frankly to echo that I feel 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:48.600 happier and healthier than I've ever been. And uh, it's 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:51.360 really good and really fulfilling and lots of fun and yeah, 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:56.559 just exactly living that dream, that dream. Yeah, you don't 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:59.160 look like you've aged today, which is crazy to me. 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:03.000 Kind and and and likewise, I put vasiline on the 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:08.240 lens before I die one of the are you serious, 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:14.560 I'm falling for this. I'm falling for this? Does that work? Yeah? 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:17.400 I forgot you were such a prankster. John. Thank you 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:20.079 so much for returning to the Shadows with us today. 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:23.760 You obviously were such an instrumental part of the story 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:27.480 and of the show and of why people were so 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:30.839 enthralled with with our show from the very beginning, and uh, 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:32.880 we wanted to just, you know, bring you on and 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:36.080 chat a little bit today about you. And you know, 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:39.120 it's you were one of our first guest stars to 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:41.840 come on the show and our first recurring characters who 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:46.880 became such a not controversial but definitely talked about character 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:50.320 on the show. I think it's very yeah, yeah, and 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:52.680 it's it's one that people got excited about and been 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:55.640 very angry at you. And you know, many many. You 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:58.520 ran the fans through the gamut of emotions throughout the 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:01.440 course of your time on the show, and certainly all 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:04.119 of us as well. So thank you for the impact 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:08.280 that you made. Oh well, thank you. Know, Um, the 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:12.760 fans are so incredible, aren't They were just so supportive. Um, 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:15.120 from start to finish, I found, you know, there were 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:16.640 things to talk about, of course, when I came to 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:22.840 the casting and all of that. Beloved, why don't we 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:26.440 start off with tell us tell everyone who you are, 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:28.640 what got you interested in acting? Give us a little 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:31.680 of your you know, your your first baby steps. Give 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:34.480 us the John Core backstory. Okay, I'll try to keep 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:37.200 it as a succinct and to the point as possible, 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:42.880 don't we don't It doesn't matter, no, Okay, Well, I 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:45.880 started acting very young, but I don't think I realized it. 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.000 My mother was very young when I was born, and 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:52.360 we ended up moving around quite a bit, sort of 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:55.280 West Canada, East Canada again, and I went to a 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:58.240 bunch of different schools. You know. There was a junior 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:00.240 high switch as well, and a mid grades itch and 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:01.520 all of these things. So I was the new kid 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:05.680 a lot, and I very quickly realized at least for myself. 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:11.360 That popularity was erroneous in that just for showing up 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:14.640 you could be targeted just as easily as you could 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:19.799 be somehow celebrated and embraced and accepted. But both seemed 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:22.520 just really sort of impulsive and and like these were 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:26.400 big reactions from human beings that had never experienced me, 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:29.400 you know, for better or for worse, kind of like 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:31.800 how people reacted to, you know, my head shot when 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:35.760 I was cast for this show without you know, knowing anything, 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:39.599 for better or for worse. So at some points, you know, 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:42.200 you start standing up for yourself with your bullies, and 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:43.520 so you're in a lot of fights and you're not 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:45.920 winning them all, but solving your problems that way is 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:49.279 not cool. And I did a play of some kind 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:52.839 just at a high school assembly, or probably younger than that, 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:55.960 maybe junior high or something, and I was so terrified. 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:58.839 You know, I'm very introverted. I'm shy right now, but 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:01.480 I had to develop sort of extroverted skill sets as 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:05.520 as a defense mechanism. I just sort of forgot where 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:09.360 I was and came unleashed on stage and people they 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:12.320 stood up, they clapped, they liked me, and I thought, well, 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:16.320 that's neat. Perhaps I can communicate and connect with people 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:20.520 and either circumvent or solve problems. And however you want 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:24.840 to phrase that using storytelling and jokes and you know, 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:28.400 things like that, and and so I ended up becoming 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:30.920 that musical theater kid. It was like Charlie and Charlie Brown, 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.279 Scrooge and Scrooge and all that stuff. And it was 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:35.919 tons of fun. But I didn't really know what I 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:38.840 was doing yet, and I hadn't. I fell in love 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.479 with it later on, when I started getting some parts 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:44.200 that I really cared about. When I wasn't playing some 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:48.479 stereotypical jock that I probably avoided in high school. You know, 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:50.160 it was like character acting for me, but I felt 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:53.960 typed and I was grateful to work, but I wasn't. 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:57.600 I didn't feel like I was stretching. I didn't show compelled. 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:00.400 It was more like, hey, this is better and structure 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:04.200 this weekend's rent um. So yeah, eventually I just fell 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:06.479 in love with it, and it it went from being 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:10.400 something a little selfish and protective to becoming something far 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:13.360 more I guess meaningful to me. You know, whether it's 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:17.080 a fart joke or some social activism. You can really 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:19.240 make a difference in the world doing what we do, 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:23.680 even negatively, you know. So with that comes a lot 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:27.360 of responsibility, especially when you're given the opportunity to bring 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.560 characters like this to life that are so very much 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:36.159 alive already internationally. I couldn't believe the impact of reach 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:40.160 this this had with or without me before I had 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:43.159 anything to do with it. Totally. I mean, we first 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:45.320 of all, that's a really beautiful story, and thank you 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:47.680 for sharing that with us. Thank you about how you 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:49.280 sort of got into it, because it's supposed to be 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:52.000 happy story. It is a happy story. Yeah, And I 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:54.160 think it's interesting you touched on something where you said 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:57.600 the initial part of it was I think you said selfish, 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:01.000 and I don't necessarily agree with that. I think protective 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:04.839 maybe definitely, But I don't think learning to protect yourself, 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.479 learning to communicate the way you feel best to communicate 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:09.479 is selfish in anyway. I think you did what you 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:11.360 did best, and you use the skill set that you 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:14.960 had to evolve into the human you are, and we're 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:17.400 all grateful for the human you are. So yeah, maybe 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:19.240 it's maybe it's not as selfish as you think it is. 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:21.560 You know what I mean. I appreciate the perspective a 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:24.000 great deal. Yeah, I guess that's just my way of 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:26.520 saying that in the beginning. I definitely did it from me. 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:29.880 But ideah, and know what I'm saying, it's different. That's 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:31.880 necessarily a bad thing, you know. I think it's a 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:35.600 good thing to a few. Anyway, Why don't we talk 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:40.560 about the beginnings of because you again touched on it, 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.120 so just moving on from that. And we talked about 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:45.040 this with a lot of people. But joining a show 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:47.800 like Shadow answers that's already been done as books and 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:50.040 it's already been done as a movie, and everyone has 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:53.920 a concept of who Jason Clary Hodge are, and everyone's 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:56.200 is a little bit different, especially from your book fans, 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:59.080 because when you read a book, everyone sees whoever that 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:01.600 person is and they see the differently. What was that 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:03.960 like for you? How did you feel? Obviously we the 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:06.120 show in a slightly different way than the books in 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:09.000 the movie, well, and for those who haven't read the books, 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:11.640 For those folks out there who don't know Hodge, your 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:16.560 character in the books is sort of an elderly librarian 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:21.400 esque professor type, which you very clearly were not, and 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:25.040 we were quickly given a rather quipping nickname by the fandom, 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:28.400 which I think we all have forgot about that wonderful Yes, 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:32.840 you were very quickly dubbed hot Hodge by the shadow fan. Um, 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:35.560 and rightly so. But but tell us a little bit 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:37.600 about that and what your experience was like when you first, 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:39.560 you know, got the audition and read the part, and 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:41.760 what your thoughts were and sort of that whole. Tell 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:45.440 us a little bit about your audition process. My goodness, well, 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:49.800 as a fan myself of things like this, I just 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:53.800 felt this tremendous responsibility. Um. I didn't know what I 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:56.320 was going to come up with, I didn't know how 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:59.840 they were going to respond to it, but I immediately 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.840 delved into the source material because I've always had at 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:05.920 least I think, if you're going to do something new, 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:09.600 take something new in a new direction, that that's that's wonderful, um, 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:11.280 And there's nothing wrong with that, but I think you 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:13.640 need to do it with the utmost respect for the 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:18.880 source material. And so I looked for nuances, little nods. 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:21.560 Getting ahead of myself here, but at one point I've 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:24.880 read one line about how Hodge had a favorite blue 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:28.480 chipped mug. And you know, nobody was really paying attention 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:30.800 to me at the time. I don't think or what 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:32.600 I'm saying was like it was on a smaller scale, 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:35.400 but I still I went to Twitter. Um, I approved 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:37.360 it with the art department. I said, we whittled it 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:39.880 down to three and they asked me to pick, and 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:41.480 I thought that was really cool. So we let the 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:44.760 fans pick, you know, and they picked the one I 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:48.640 wanted anyway, which that's good. It wasn't ragged, it wasn't 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:51.240 um but it was a very cute experience. And yeah, 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:53.040 it's so funny you bring that that up, because that's 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:55.480 the first conversation I remember having with you. And and 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:57.920 this is the thing that you know, Yeah, well, for 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:00.480 for someone that you know plays characters that are often 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:06.280 very action oriented, you are such a contemplative and thoughtful person, 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:09.680 and you put so much care into all the details 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:12.199 of your characters. And it's always been one of something 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:16.760 I've respected and really found most fascinating about you. Um, 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:19.280 But that was something that you know, I always heard 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:21.200 out about little character and things like that, and I 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:24.800 know does too, and likewise, yeah, yeah, well, in the 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:26.920 fact that you came on to set and we were 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:28.480 sitting there and makeup trail and you like, there's this 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:30.560 mug and I read this thing and I want to 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:32.240 put it in and I don't know who to talk 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:33.959 to it. I don't know, like where should we where 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:35.200 should I go? I want to I want to make 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:38.520 sure that this is a part of him. Instantly, I 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.000 was inspired by you on you know, the like the 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:44.560 first day on set. So just it's it's really amazing 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:46.800 that you, you know, come into something and are are 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:50.079 instantly diving into the world head first. Oh no, that's 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:53.800 still mutual, I felt, says the first dance. That's kind 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:56.839 of a blur, but I sort of remember just the 0:10:56.880 --> 0:11:00.040 feeling of the first scene I did. I think you 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:03.320 were both in it. I couldn't with your introduction. I 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:07.560 think we were introducing you in the in the training area. 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:12.160 I just felt as if waking up is not the 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:14.040 right word, but I think we just did a read 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:17.079 or something. It just remember feeling whoa, okay, like we're 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:20.120 coming in hot, like this might actually really be something, 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:24.560 you know, And so I think that's what fired me 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:26.720 up on the day. I mean, because of course, you 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:29.000 you've got to work with the best intentions. I think 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:31.200 of it athletically now, where you know you might not 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:33.800 win the game, but you're you're driving into work. It's 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:36.280 game time. You know, you're eating your wheaties, You're trying 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:39.319 to be sharp and prepared and all that good stuff. 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:41.960 Assuming that's what that role calls for, and that's your process, 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:44.359 you know what I mean. And it's just so refreshing 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:46.800 when you show up and the people on the team 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:49.719 want to be there and they've done the work and 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:52.120 they're ready to work and play, and they're not married 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:53.920 to all of their ideas, but they've got a ton 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:57.480 you know. I just immediately I went, oh, I don't 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:00.280 need to worry about any of this. I just need 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:02.440 to be really present. You know, we had a similar 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:09.240 experience with you a this it was with the hand. 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.800 Um so we'll, you know, we'll jump back and forth 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:15.719 to what we were talking about. But I don't know 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:17.719 if you remember that day. And this is one of 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:19.679 the days that I that I will treasure as a 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:22.760 memory between you and I because they threw that torture 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.679 scene at us, like the morning off. Do you remember 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:27.560 when your hand was lopped off and I was trying 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:29.800 to get information about where Valentine is and I put 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:33.480 my thumb in your stump and they were like, so 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:37.240 that stump for everyone out there was literally like was 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:39.720 it cardboard or newspaper or something. They just wrapped up 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:42.200 and poured blood because we didn't have the prosthetic yet, 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:47.160 they just through something at you. Yeah, And this is 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:49.640 something that was so great about working with John is 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:54.080 that preparedness really came into fruition there where it's like, Hey, 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:55.520 we're going to throw the scene at you that you're 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:57.160 not really supposed to do for another couple of days, 0:12:57.160 --> 0:12:58.560 but we're just here, so we're going to do it. 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:01.880 And you're like, oh, ship, okay, great, let's just dive 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:04.480 into that headspace. And he did, and his performance is 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:09.520 incredible and he's consistently amazing screen partner to have, so 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:14.440 thank you for that. I'm speechless. Feel the exact same 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:17.439 way you made it. You made it so easy. I 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:21.960 didn't feel curveballed. I don't remember if anything. It was 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:26.120 just kind of funny and exciting and yeah, you were 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:30.360 scary man sometimes sometimes, you know, I would see some 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:33.040 of the episodes and I think we got a little 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:35.559 too adult there. They cut around it a little bit, 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:38.600 you know, a little too bloody or a little too 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:41.559 you know what I mean. It is just sometimes we 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:43.760 got we really you know, we were in it. Yeah, 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:46.240 we got we got dark in a couple of times. Yeah, yeah, 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:48.959 exactly exactly, which is okay, but we still want to 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:54.000 be entertaining and yeah for accessible. Yeah, well it's tricky 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:56.559 when you're discussing this sort of subject matter like we're 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:59.600 you know, we're talking about sort of the shadow hunts 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.839 equivalent of like hunting terrorists. Um, and it's that sort 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:04.560 of question of like how far are you willing to 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:07.240 go to? You know, you're willing to murder one to 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:09.720 save a hundreds? Maybe not are you willing to murder 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:11.959 one to save a thousand? I don't know, it's you know, 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:14.320 and then you get in that weird sort of headspace 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:17.240 and like as the actors trying to portray that we 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:20.360 were in that place, we're in that questioning department of 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:23.040 like what what are you willing to do to to 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:25.800 do the things that you know a right overall? But 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:27.920 you have to take steps that you know wrong along 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.040 the way and whatever. And I think there are times, yeah, 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:36.400 where the editors went in and went yea ch well 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:39.360 and to to kind of second that as well. Hard 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:42.400 just such an interesting character in regard to that because 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:46.040 of his past. He's a very loyal character. But to 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:49.240 what and to what end? And it's it was so 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:52.400 interesting watching back because we were all so you know, 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:55.600 in our own storylines in season one, trying to figure 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.000 out what the show was. It's so interesting to watch 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:01.520 it back and see all of the detail and all 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:04.480 of the color that you really you brought to that storyline. 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:07.080 And that's that struggle, and that's sort of wanting to 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:10.640 find a place where you were valued as as a 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:13.280 soldier and as a fighter, and where your loyalty was valued. 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:16.840 And ultimately I almost felt bad for Hodge because doors 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:18.960 kept getting shut in his face, left, right, and center, 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:22.480 even though he was proving his loyalty and risking life 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:25.920 and literal limb for whoever he thought was going to 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:29.120 be there for him on the other side. Precisely, Yeah, 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:34.560 I remember, I wanted to the audience too feel conflicted. Um. 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:38.400 I thought, if they uniformly adore this guy, I'm not 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:40.960 doing my job. And if they uniformly loathed this guy, 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:43.280 I'm not doing my job. I don't know, if you 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:46.480 want to get into see see his his morality right 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:50.080 off the jump here, let's do it. But when I auditioned, 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:54.880 when I auditioned, I I think I did it British 0:15:55.120 --> 0:16:01.240 to lend an erudition, to try Tom and I was 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:04.400 ready to get this streak and the hair, the scarring 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:07.800 we kept. But I was that first down set they 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:09.960 said you're not British and you're taking your shirt off, 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:15.040 and I was really confused. Uh, yeah, you know these things, 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:18.720 these these decisions, Uh, some things were still happening on 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:21.880 the fly, I guess, and so I had sort of 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:25.640 a vision given the source material. But but I, like 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:29.280 you said, it was still very formative while we collaboratively 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:32.800 put those pieces together. M hm, yeah it was. It 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:35.040 was really interesting to see the evolution of the character. 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:38.560 But I think so back to the casting for a moment. 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:42.640 Cassandra Claire actually spoke up saying that, no, he's actually 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.880 closer to the real age in the book. The movie 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:50.120 sort of took this Alfreddy spin. Yeah, and I liked 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:53.880 I loved it actually, but I think I was tasked 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:57.120 with being you know, when your older brother or sister 0:16:57.280 --> 0:17:01.040 or it's just somebody baby sits you and not. They're 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:04.639 old enough to not quite be a peer for a stage, 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:09.000 but they're not parent level or guardian level. If this 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:13.800 makes a sense. It really exactly what you're saying. Right. 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:16.919 So when when the kids, so to speak, were younger, 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:19.440 I mean, he fell in love with them. He would 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:23.480 never ever want to hurt those kids. Um as they age, 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:26.439 they become his peers and some of them even in 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:30.560 many ways is superior. And so I think I had 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:31.920 this idea in my head that he was a little 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:36.040 older too. So the breakdown said no beards at all. 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:38.199 The show will have no beards, and I broke that 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:41.680 rule and that probably worked in my favorite a little bit. 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:44.240 Uh Yeah, I just I don't think I ever thought 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:46.720 I was gonna get it, but I just thought it 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.200 was the coolest audition I've seen in a long time, 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:52.000 and so I was gonna have fun doing it, you know. 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:54.720 And then what we end up seeing on screen is 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:56.840 this puzzle some of the stuff that I brought. And 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:00.320 at the end of the day, you're in my mind anyway, 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:02.439 you're a tradesman, so it's not about me showing up 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:05.359 and going I want to put this window in your house. 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:08.560 If you go, not my style, put this one in. 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:11.120 Then it's my job to do that as best I can. 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:13.719 You know what I mean, really interesting allegory. I've never 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:16.040 really heard it described that way, but you're right, there 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:18.320 is definitely an element of that. You know, you come 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:21.720 in and you have to match thematically what the idea is, 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:24.359 especially earlier, especially in the audition process. You know, if 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:25.920 you come in and go, now I'm doing this, they're 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:27.960 going to go, Okay, well that's not what we asked for. 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:30.840 So let's see likes in the job we hired you 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:33.520 to do. You won't work for long, you know, if 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:37.480 it's difficult and if you have a better idea. Yeah, 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:41.840 all of the time so interesting. But it was very 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:45.119 apparent from from the rewatch that you were having so 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:48.040 much fun with this character. And we got to see, 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:50.760 you know, from Hodge coming in with all the you 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:52.320 were one of the first people that got to use 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:56.640 our boards and use the little shadow Hunter computer information systems. 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:59.280 Go these warlocks and this information and this is the 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:01.679 mission you have to go on, and there's there's so 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:03.440 much We talk a lot about this early on in 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:07.880 the rewatches, but each of us got to establish different 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:10.400 parts of the world. You know, Harry got to establish 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:13.840 the Warlocks, Domini and and Emrod and Matt got to 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:17.119 establish the shadow Hunters, you know, and you got to 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:20.640 establish so much with like the Circle Rooin and our screens, 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:22.600 and you got you were one of the first of 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:26.399 the quote unquote grown ups of the Shadow Hunters to 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:28.399 come in and set the tone of what the world 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:31.960 was that this new generation is coming into. And you know, 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:34.679 so we owe a lot of the richness of that 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:37.480 world to those ideas that you brought, and to the 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:40.480 kind of window that you had ideas about putting in 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:46.879 our house. Oh my gosh, you're too kind, too kind. No, 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:49.440 walked onto that set and it just looked so good 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:53.639 and felt so good. Those costumes, how fun great we 0:19:53.640 --> 0:20:16.639 were Ninja pirates. Yeah. You had a background in martial 0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:20.480 arts pre the show, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. UM tell 0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:23.040 us a little about that, because obviously that benefited you 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:25.480 and ended up benefiting me massively as well, like having 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:27.639 a good dance partner at the end, is it is 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:30.639 so much finely helpful. UM, tell us a little bit 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:33.000 about first of all, how you got into martial arts 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:37.120 and then how that influenced your shadow into his great. 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:42.520 I've been studying martial arts and many for far longer 0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:44.600 than I've been acting. I think that was maybe one 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:47.000 of my first loves and first defense mechanisms. You know, 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:50.640 before I found acting or guitar writing or things like that. 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:54.199 It was my antidepressant, my anti drug. It was just 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:57.879 very early on recognized that, oh, if I break a sweat, 0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:01.719 I feel better. And if I feel better, I think smarter. 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:04.880 And I mean I'm dumbing it down for myself here, 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:09.399 but I think more better, I do better. Wow. I 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:15.120 couldn't even get that. And so you know, growing up, 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:19.359 of course, I just idolized guys like Bruce Lee and 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:23.520 Muhammad Ali who you know, they had avant garde um 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:28.280 social justice ideas uh and and you know they just 0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:30.879 did so much in their lives with and without the 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:33.399 martial arts, so to speak. Um. And I was just 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:36.399 drawn to a lot of these guys who what I 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:39.879 The main takeaway from me was process that learning a 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:42.639 back flip reinforced everything that you learn you learn to 0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:45.080 ride your bike. I guess which is you know, you 0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:47.320