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Speaker 2: And it is so good to be with my buddy

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Speaker 2: Jerry Dulac here on Steelers Nation Radio as we are

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Speaker 2: in the throes of the twenty twenty six NFL combine,

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Speaker 2: of course, leading up to the twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: NFL Draft taking place in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. You can't wait

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Speaker 3: for that. Oh yeah, it is. It is very exciting.

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Speaker 3: And usually how much will you be over there? Will

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Speaker 3: you be there? You know, I'm going to be doing

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Speaker 3: a bunch of stuff all over town.

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Speaker 2: I don't know whether I'll actually be down in the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, see, I don't think. I mean, I won't be

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Speaker 4: because I'll be in the south side with the team.

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Speaker 3: Right. So usually when I say hi to Jerry Doulac,

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Speaker 4: You know this is unsponsored.

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Speaker 2: This is this is just free Jerry Dulac right here,

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Speaker 2: free for me anyway, free to.

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Speaker 3: Be you and me. Remember that's Jerry and I dating ourselves.

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Speaker 4: So we do that often, we do.

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Speaker 2: So, Jerry, you know this is I talked a little

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Speaker 2: bit in the last segment about let me let.

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Speaker 4: Me before you do that. I'm always cognizant about not

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Speaker 4: making references that show my agent, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 4: because I don't think anybody so I and not that

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Speaker 4: I try and be something I'm not right. I'm not

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Speaker 4: going to speak some other language that's going to appeal

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Speaker 4: to twenty year olds. Yeah, but I'm always cognizant of

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Speaker 4: of even when I write of not using expressions or

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Speaker 4: or making analogies comparable to something that was from my third.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think I think you have to make a

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Speaker 3: sub reference when you do, which I just did. Right.

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Speaker 3: Are you okay to that?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yes, okay, I'm just.

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Speaker 3: Your age.

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Speaker 4: I'm not trying to I'm not trying thing on the latest.

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Speaker 4: I'm not dying my hair as you see.

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Speaker 3: Yes, no I will. I won't be dying might either.

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Speaker 2: So you know, when we when we it is uh,

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Speaker 2: we talked about the NFL, the importance of the offseason

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Speaker 2: and and how much they stay in the spotlight, and

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Speaker 2: how this is really a little like I made the

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Speaker 2: analogy of you know when you're when you have a

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Speaker 2: semester long final in school and you're going back to

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Speaker 2: something you learned in the first couple of weeks, which is.

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Speaker 3: What the draft.

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Speaker 2: This is really what the draft is going to be,

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Speaker 2: because in between now and then this, Theoders will be

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Speaker 2: trying to re sign some of their own players, trying

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Speaker 2: to bring back, of course Aaron Rodgers I think is

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Speaker 2: front of mine for a lot of people. Then they'll

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Speaker 2: be going through the free agent process, in which they

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Speaker 2: have forty five million dollars in cap space, some of which,

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Speaker 2: of course is going to be taken up when when

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Speaker 2: you know, the team resigned some of its own players

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Speaker 2: then you get to the draft. And not that this

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Speaker 2: is not very informative, but I wanted to spend a

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Speaker 3: So I did a little breakdown of the of what

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Speaker 3: it might look like and you know, again without without

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Speaker 4: And deals with words. I was always good to a

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Speaker 2: I would on long distance trips when my wife when

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be going thirty five in this range.

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Speaker 2: If I'm going up to Cooperstown, I'd look at my wife,

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Speaker 2: of course you don't have to do that.

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Speaker 3: Now, you don't have to do any math. I can

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Speaker 3: do it all on the phone.

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Speaker 2: The math that's exactly right, and some of them none

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Speaker 2: of America, I do so, and and civilization. So seventeen

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Speaker 4: Is that before or after the projected rights supposed to

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Speaker 4: don't know that it's taken into account the twenty million

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Speaker 3: Which which is which is fantastic. So again this is

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Speaker 4: You know, rub the one thing too, and let's just

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, of the thirty nine you have,

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Speaker 2: So let's let's set them aside for now. She's guys

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Speaker 4: Yeah, James Pierre, when I say it's a minor signing,

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Speaker 4: every year he just gets he gets brought back, and

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Speaker 4: I expect the same thing to happen. I'll be curious

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Speaker 4: I'd said this earlier and I can't. I don't think

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Speaker 4: So that's not to say he won't be back, but

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Speaker 4: you bring back your team MVP? And at what price?

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Speaker 4: And so are they going to bring Kenneth Gainwell back

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Speaker 4: I'm not so sure they will or or will he

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Speaker 4: what he's going to get. I don't think at Kenny

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Speaker 4: But if he wants to go out and try, of

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Speaker 4: course I say that, and you saw what Justin Fields got.

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Speaker 3: It.

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Speaker 4: Never underrest takes one, never underestimate the desperation of the

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Speaker 2: Right, And it only takes one team to value him

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Speaker 4: That's right for that guy to be signed. So that's

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Speaker 4: let's not forget does Mike McCarthy want Kenneth Gainwell in

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Speaker 4: still a question.

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Speaker 3: Right know, it seems like he'd be a good fit.

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't think there's any question about He's a

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Speaker 4: good fit on many fronts because both running and catching,

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Speaker 4: just becomes a question now of how much do you

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Speaker 4: Jalen Warren? I doubt it? So does he think, well

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Speaker 4: I can make more than that on the free agent market.

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Speaker 4: So that's what's going to be curious to see how

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Speaker 2: And then the next question, of course becomes, well, you

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Speaker 2: just spent a third round pick on Caleb Johnson. Now,

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Speaker 2: as third in the And And that's a and again

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Speaker 2: because none of these decisions happen in a vacuum, right,

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Speaker 2: And in Caleb Johnson, they certainly have somebody that they

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Speaker 2: felt strong enough to draft in the third round.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I don't think. I don't think that decision

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Speaker 4: we retarding his development? I don't think that's going to

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Speaker 4: You can find some more playing time for him, and

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Speaker 4: there are injuries and they do Caleb Johnson, I was

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Speaker 4: Part of let's face it. Part of that is the

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Speaker 2: Backup, especially if that backup running back is a third

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Speaker 4: Well, I think John Newsmith fits into the one category

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Speaker 2: But there are other coaches that you know, there was criticism, Hey,

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Speaker 3: Is it is.

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Speaker 2: And again, I do think some players who played better

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Speaker 2: That's just the way it goes when you bring in

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Speaker 3: There's going to be effects both ways. Can it be

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Speaker 2: Sort of untalked about boon to this roster that you

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Speaker 4: You want to talk about it after the break, You

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Speaker 2: So we're going to continue here on Radio Row here

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Speaker 2: from Indianapolis, steps away from where the combine is taking

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Speaker 2: place in this huge, massive complex uh the Indiana Convention

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Speaker 2: Center in indian Napolis, with the combine here on nine seventy.

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Speaker 3: And Steelers Nation Radio as part of this je there's

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Speaker 3: audio networks right.

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Speaker 1: This is live coverreach of that twenty twenty six NFL

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Speaker 1: Combine on Steelers Nation Radio, a part of the Steelers

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Speaker 1: Audio Network.

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Speaker 2: And thanks very much for being with us at the

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Speaker 2: combine here in Indianapolis, alongside Jerry Dulac and Wes Euler.

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Speaker 2: I'm Rob King. I think I gotta pull that. My

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Speaker 2: phone didn't charge last night. It's not charging particularly well

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Speaker 2: right now. I spilled coffee on my Yeah, right, I'm

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Speaker 2: having a morning.

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Speaker 3: What's in the morning?

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Speaker 5: Rob from time to time spell stuff on himself, and

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Speaker 5: I think it's as as you know, as a guy

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Speaker 5: who is now carrying the mental the mantle for our

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Speaker 5: you know, our dearly departed brothers, Ton Choaking and Craig

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Speaker 5: Wolfley as part of the Steelers Audio Network can broadcast team.

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Speaker 5: I think it's very fitting that Kinger has stepped in

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Speaker 5: where those two left off spelling stuff.

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Speaker 4: Don't you say? Right during the broadcake Oh, I just

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Speaker 4: got stuff right? My favorite speling sing God, God bless

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Speaker 4: my old friend. My one of my favorites is he's

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Speaker 4: doing he's driving and he's doing a radio kid as

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Speaker 4: we all do, and he gets he gets in an

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Speaker 4: accident while he's on No No, he goes, oh no,

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Speaker 4: he says, he bumps somebody or whatever.

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Speaker 3: The g get hurt.

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Speaker 4: But it had a little little fender bender right while

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Speaker 4: he was on the Great fantastic, great human being both.

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Speaker 4: That's what I always say, They're just great human.

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Speaker 2: So my question to you before the break was you

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Speaker 2: might you might have to repeat the I'm gonna repeat

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Speaker 2: the question just like.

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Speaker 3: So, there were a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Critics, right or wrong, and I of the you know,

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Speaker 2: the development of the players under the coaching staff, the

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Speaker 2: previous coaching staff, and you know, are they getting the

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Speaker 2: most out of him, whether it's on Sundays or whether

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Speaker 2: it's developing those players, which you kind of alluded to

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Speaker 2: with Isaiah Loudermilk and Logan Lee and prior to that

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Speaker 2: to Marvin Leal.

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Speaker 3: So I guess the.

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Speaker 4: Question then is, and you know, there's not a lot of.

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Speaker 2: People talking about it, but you know a lot of

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Speaker 2: people are expecting the young coach that's going to come in,

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Speaker 2: the new young firebrand, and they went with Mike McCarthy,

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Speaker 2: a guy who's got great track record of success. But

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Speaker 2: can this coaching staff make a difference either in the

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Speaker 2: win column or in the development of players or both

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Speaker 2: or is that something that has been overstated by previous

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Speaker 2: critics of the old regime.

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Speaker 4: Well that the first part of that question is going

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Speaker 4: to be up to Mike McCarthy because as the head guy,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think the staff he's built, He's brought

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Speaker 4: in a lot of experience, with some with some youth.

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Speaker 4: He's brought in some guys from college as well, and

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Speaker 4: I think it's a nice mix. I think, you know,

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Speaker 4: every he has heard this complaint and you know, uh,

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Speaker 4: you know, I've been on it for however long about

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Speaker 4: you know, Mike Tomlin's staff, the lack of progression once

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Speaker 4: those guys leave here and getting other jobs. We know people,

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Speaker 4: you know, what do you want to call it his

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Speaker 4: coaching coach. I'm not going to get into that, but

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Speaker 4: I can give you the numbers. I've have been able

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Speaker 4: to do it for years. I have that discussion with

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Speaker 4: other NFL coaches about his tree, so I'm well aware

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Speaker 4: of that. I will say this though about Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 4: I've never thought, uh, after the Antonio Brown, Le'Veon Bell,

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Speaker 4: Ben Roethlisberger days, that the Steelers had a Pro Bowl roster.

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Speaker 4: I have never thought that. I think their roster is

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Speaker 4: I don't want to call it average talent, but decent talent.

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Speaker 4: And I thought he got a lot out of the

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Speaker 4: talent that he had. To me that he's never had

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Speaker 4: a losing season with some of the talent that they've had.

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Speaker 4: Is is remarkable that he's been able to do that. Now,

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Speaker 4: I grant you, even if his talent was modest, he

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Speaker 4: did have Ben Roethlisberger, you know, who never had a

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Speaker 4: losing season, curiously enough, ironically right as at the same time. So,

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Speaker 4: but I think the failure with some of the coaches maybe,

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Speaker 4: and it's just so hard to I hate to talk

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Speaker 4: about assistant coaches because who really knows. So I'll tell

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Speaker 4: you a quick little story. Mike Miller was a part

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Speaker 4: of the Stealer staff here a number of years ago,

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Speaker 4: and he was a coaching intern and he wanted to

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Speaker 4: get into coaching full time, and he went with Ken

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Speaker 4: wizen Hunt when he went to Arizona when he got

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Speaker 4: the head coaching job, when Mike Tomlin got the head

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Speaker 4: coaching job here, so Mike Miller went with wiz to

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Speaker 4: Arizona and he was the wide receiver coach for the

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Speaker 4: Arizona Cardinals with Larry Fitzgerald and Coln Bolden and Steve Preston.

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Speaker 4: So I see Mike, who I've known for years, at

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Speaker 4: the at the Super Bowl, and you know, the coaches,

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Speaker 4: you know, is doing the media day. Everybody's at the

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Speaker 4: stadium and whatnot, and so Mike's up in the stands

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Speaker 4: and I went over and I chatted with him. Of

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Speaker 4: course I can go over, and I'm gonna bust them.

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Speaker 4: I go, I go, hey, Mike, I go, you're really

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Speaker 4: doing a great job with Larry Fitzgerald and Kwan Bolden

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Speaker 4: and Steve Breastt. And you know, I'm teasing on May's laughing,

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Speaker 4: but uh, you know it. You know, the coach is

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Speaker 4: only as good as the players he has. So how

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Speaker 4: do we evaluate assistant coaches. It is very difficult, and

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Speaker 4: I'm never want to say, oh, he's a great coach

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Speaker 4: or he's a bad coach. It's just hard to It's

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Speaker 4: hard to quantify. And so that's why I'm hesitant to say.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think it's apparent that their young defensive

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Speaker 4: guys hadn't really developed, but maybe maybe they weren't as

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Speaker 4: good as they thought they were too.

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Speaker 2: That's it, you know, when it comes to and this

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Speaker 2: is a big question in baseball because in baseball, you're

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Speaker 2: signing players out of Latin America at sixteen, afting high

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Speaker 2: school guy who are eighteen and they're in your system, right,

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Speaker 2: and so you see them develop. It's not like football

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Speaker 2: where your next player's playing at Purdue or he's playing

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Speaker 2: at Arizona State, or he's playing at Toledo or he's

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Speaker 2: playing at Florida. He's in your system, and.

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Speaker 3: So you know, you talk to the you know, you

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Speaker 3: might talk to a scout he says, Ah, these these

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Speaker 3: guys aren't developing.

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Speaker 4: I saw all this talent and they're not developing.

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Speaker 2: And then you talk to development guys, Well, if they

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Speaker 2: gave me more talent, you know, so and and sometimes

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Speaker 2: a great job of development, you know, a great job

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Speaker 2: of development is getting a player to live up to

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Speaker 2: his abilities. And you know what his abilities might be

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Speaker 2: fringe starter, it might be quality, backup, it might be

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Speaker 2: all pro. You don't it's a very very I almost

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Speaker 2: hesitated to ask that question Jerry and West because it's

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Speaker 2: a very difficult thing to evaluate. And people complain, but

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Speaker 2: you know what. People complain that the sun's yellow, right,

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Speaker 2: you know, and that their coffee's not hot enough. So

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean people will complain about all kinds

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Speaker 2: of things. I think it's gonna be very interesting to

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Speaker 2: see whether there is any kind of noticeable difference. My

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Speaker 2: guess would be what I've said all along. Two players

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Speaker 2: will be better, two players will be worse, and the

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Speaker 2: rest will be about the same.

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Speaker 5: Classie, right, I think with an established roster like Pittsburgh's,

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Speaker 5: a more veteran leaden roster, that you're probably spot on.

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Speaker 5: But I think when you look around the NFL, like

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Speaker 5: Ben Johnson in Chicago, Liam Cohen and Jacksonville, Mike Vrabel

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Speaker 5: in New England, they didn't bring in a completely new

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Speaker 5: fifty three man roster. They weren't Kurt Signetti and brought

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Speaker 5: twenty some guys from their previous job with them to

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Speaker 5: their next job. You got to get out of what

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Speaker 5: you got in that room. Yeah, you can add a

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Speaker 5: handful of draft picks, and you can add a handful

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Speaker 5: of free agents, but you're still the vast majority of

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Speaker 5: what you Inherit is what you're gonna be working with

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Speaker 5: in year one. You better be able to take those

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Speaker 5: guys and get the most out of them. We've seen

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Speaker 5: examples of that of coaches who come in take a

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Speaker 5: team that won five, six, seven games, and all of

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Speaker 5: a sudden they're double digits and win the division in

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Speaker 5: the playoffs. Than the previous year. They didn't completely overhaul

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Speaker 5: the roster. They brought in a few key pieces. They

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Speaker 5: different message, different positioning, different deployment, whatever the case may be.

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Speaker 5: But I think in year one, for any head coach, yes,

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Speaker 5: development of guys like Caleb Johnson and Roman Wilson is huge.

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Speaker 5: Continuing the development of a guy like Joey Porter Junior

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Speaker 5: and Nick Herbig is huge. But you better be able

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Speaker 5: to get the best out of or more out of

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Speaker 5: the previous regime than what you were getting if you

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Speaker 5: want to take a step forward.

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Speaker 4: And to your point, Rob two, I just to further

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Speaker 4: what Wes was saying is that you know, again, when

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Speaker 4: you're a playoff team and they've you know, this isn't

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Speaker 4: a more bun franchise. This isn't a four win team,

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Speaker 4: a five win team. You know, this is a team

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Speaker 4: that's an annual postseason competitor. The only team that has

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Speaker 4: been to the playoffs more times since so five six

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Speaker 4: years since nineteen is a Buffalo Bills than the Steelers.

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Speaker 4: And so I look, I am well aware they haven't

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Speaker 4: won a playoff game. I get all that, but I'm

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Speaker 4: just saying they are a team that has positioned themselves,

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Speaker 4: whether it's with because of their roster or because Mike

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Speaker 4: Tomlin is terrific. Uh that they're a playoff team and

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Speaker 4: so you don't have to blow it up. All these

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Speaker 4: people want them to blow it up. They want to

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Speaker 4: bring in a young coach and start again. They don't

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Speaker 4: have to do that now, they don't have to do that.

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Speaker 4: But I get I get what they're weary of, though too,

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Speaker 4: the same old thing. I get that. And that's why,

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Speaker 4: with all due respect to Mike Tomlin, you know, you

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Speaker 4: always hear people say, well, you don't make a change

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Speaker 4: for the sake of change. I thought the Steelers need

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Speaker 4: to make a change for the sake of change. They's

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Speaker 4: probably just time.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, we can circle back to this

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Speaker 2: because I still want to finish something that follow up

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Speaker 2: on something West said. I don't want to damn him

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Speaker 2: with fate praise. But you know, okay, so Buffalo, they

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Speaker 2: got the they got the quarterback, and how many Super

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Speaker 2: Bowls have they won since they've had him?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: You have to be one, right, you have to be.

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Speaker 4: Kidding many they've won since they've had Jim Kelly.

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Speaker 2: Right, you have to be careful about what you think

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Speaker 2: is going to happen because you see it be successful

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Speaker 2: somewhere else, it doesn't necessarily mean it's going to follow.

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Speaker 2: And most teams don't follow that list. It's interesting what

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Speaker 2: Wes said about the about the about the coaches coming

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Speaker 2: in though and within new roster. Like to me, I

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Speaker 2: could see the Bears building, right, they bring Caleb Johnson,

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Speaker 2: they get the receivers, then they go out and they

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Speaker 2: signed two guards in the center and free agency. But

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Speaker 2: you could see that improving, you know, in New England,

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Speaker 2: and you know Vrabel was a runaway winner for coaching.

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Speaker 4: You're in thirty players, you know that who who did it?

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Speaker 4: The roster changed thirty players.

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Speaker 2: Thirty players and he had any and he's got a

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Speaker 2: great young quarterback I didn't see and he's a great coach.

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Speaker 2: The other one, Liam Cohen, I think did an incredible,

655
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: incredible job in Jacksonville, I think.

656
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 4: But you know why though too. He had the quarterback

657
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 4: right as did the previous regime. They they just did

658
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 4: nothing with them, not arguing, you know.

659
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 3: But there there again is a situation in which like

660
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 3: you could see the quarterback in New England, it's going

661
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 3: to be a great quarterback probably, and then Rabel comes

662
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 3: in and he takes him over the top. You know,

663
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 3: there were a lot of people questioning the quarterback in Jacksonville,

664
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence because he hadn't had success, and so Caleb

665
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 3: william But my year Williams was a bust.

666
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 2: After well it was one year and then they then

667
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 2: they really added to talent around. I mean, in most situations,

668
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 2: I think you'd and I was talking about this with

669
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 2: Matt Waiamson, you'd love to have the roster in place

670
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 2: and drop Ben Roethlisberger and there and Ben was on

671
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: our radio show with Max and said that said as much, look,

672
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 2: I walked into a great situation. Josh Allen walked into

673
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: a good situation. Patrick Mahomes walked into a good situation. Whoever,

674
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 2: this year's next quarterback is. If it's next year, I

675
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: think that quarterback is going to be stepping in to

676
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 2: a great situation. But I think much like you know,

677
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 2: I think about the Academy Awards, like some of you

678
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 2: you're like, wait that one Best Picture and other years

679
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: you're like, wow, there's like three three that I would

680
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 2: vote for. This was the year where there was like

681
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 2: five worthy Coach of the year candidates. Liam Cohen would

682
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: have been a strong contender for me. I don't know

683
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 2: where he finished in the in the voting. I know

684
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: Vrabel won it running away, but I thought he did

685
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 2: a great job. And there's a coach coming in and

686
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: making a big difference, not verbel bringing in thirty guys

687
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: and figuring out, but more like, hey, we just made

688
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 2: some we we yeah, we brought in some guys. We

689
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: tweaked what we had and look at the results unbelievable.

690
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 4: And see, I thought Ben Johnson, though, too, made a

691
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 4: huge difference in Caleb Williams to your point, and so

692
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 4: his presence was no doubt. You put some pieces around him,

693
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 4: but you have the guy that you believe in and

694
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 4: you make him be that guy. And he was not.

695
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 4: He looked nothing like the number one pick in the

696
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 4: draft last year, and now, of course that's all he

697
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 4: looked like, right, that's right, And and the converse is now,

698
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 4: I know Jayden Daniels got hurt, but he was that

699
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 4: guy last year, two years ago, and now this past

700
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 4: year injured, right not they win what four games, and

701
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 4: all of a sudden you go not questioning whether he's

702
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 4: the guy or not. But I just thought Ben Jonson.

703
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 4: But no, but it doesn't you know. But but that's

704
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 4: the kind of thing. Sorry, that's the kind of thing

705
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 4: that drives me crazy about the evaluation of.

706
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 3: Hitting. I'm hitting, you know that. It drives me crazy

707
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 3: about the evaluation of Mike Toma.

708
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 2: Like look around the league, right, look around. What happens

709
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: when quarterback? They win four games? Mike Tomlin takes you

710
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: to the playoffs?

711
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 3: Right, you know? Anyway, I'm sorry, go ahead, plase finish.

712
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 4: But no, and and so I just thought that Ben

713
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 4: Johnson was the right higher for Caleb Williams. You got

714
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 4: the number one pick in the draft, a guy that

715
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 4: you believe for sure, Patrick Mahomes, you don't bring in

716
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 4: a defensive minded coach. You bring in that guy. He's

717
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 4: now coach of the Year in another year. Yeah, that's right,

718
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 4: that's exactly right. Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah, that's exactly right.

719
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 4: Would Mike McDonald have been that's right, yeah, right, exactly right.

720
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 3: He's another one.

721
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 5: Not that Seattle was at the bottom of the barrel,

722
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 5: but they were in a similar situation to Steem.

723
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 4: Nobody had them going.

724
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 5: They were winning nine and eight games every single year.

725
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 5: Seattle They've had one losing season since the legion of

726
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 5: Boom Russell Wilson erow one losing season, that's it. They've

727
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 5: been nine to ten wins every year. Then it's only

728
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 5: one losing season since since since that, so it's not

729
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 5: like they had a bunch of top picks to rebuild.

730
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 5: They made a bold choice to move on from Geno

731
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 5: Smith and give Sam Donald one hundred million dollars. They

732
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 5: moved on from DK Metcalf. They hit on. They had

733
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 5: three straight years of multiple first and second round picks.

734
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 5: They hit on almost all of them. There's there's no

735
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 5: there's no one way to skin the cat.

736
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 3: Denver, Denver's.

737
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 4: There.

738
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Speaker 5: They they were, they had they had not a lot

739
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 5: of draft capital because they had traded all to Denver

740
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 5: for Russell Wilson, and they had the Russell Wilson kind

741
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 5: of albatross dead cap hanging around their next.

742
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 2: But you forget they were also nine and eight with

743
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson. I believe weren't they nine and eight when

744
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 2: his last season there?

745
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 4: I lost played last two games, yes, and then they

746
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 4: missed the playoffs, right, That's why they said.

747
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 5: And everyone was like, Hey, it's gonna take Sean Payton

748
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 5: a little bit of time, they got a ton of

749
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 5: dead cap and no draft picks.

750
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 4: Again, they got the quarterback who exceeded my expectations, no doubt.

751
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 4: I never thought he was that good. And he is

752
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 4: as dynamic quarterback as there is in a lake, for sure.

753
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 4: And so when you get that guy, and again Sean

754
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 4: Payton is is you know that type of coach is

755
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 4: a is a big plus four a quarterbow obviously, And

756
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 4: that's where Mike McCarthy comes in. You know, whoever, not

757
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 4: that Aaron Rodgers needs it, but whoever it's going to be,

758
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 4: and if it's gonna be Will Howard in the short term,

759
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 4: or it's going to be the guy they draft at

760
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 4: some point here. Look, they're just not going to continue

761
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 4: to go the way they're going. They are just not.

762
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 4: They know they can't. You know, they talk about a

763
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 4: free agent quarterback. That is the last thing they want

764
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 4: to do. They don't want Kyler Murray or any other

765
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 4: bum out there to come in and be there started.

766
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 4: They just don't. They've done that, They are done with that.

767
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 4: They would rather play Will Howard and develop him than

768
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 4: go out and find a starter like that.

769
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 3: Well that is Jerry Dulac, bringing us right back onto

770
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 3: the rails where we need to be as we head

771
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 3: into our final segment of this portion of our coverage

772
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: from the Combine in Indianapolis, which will continue on nine

773
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 3: to seventy and the Steelers Audio Network. Thank you Jerry

774
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 3: du Lac. Right after this, I was going to.

775
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: Say, this is live coverage of that twenty twenty six

776
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: NFL Combine on Steelers Nation Radio, a part of the

777
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: Steelers Audio Network.

778
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 2: And thanks very much for being back with us at

779
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: the NFL Combine here on this do there's Audio Network

780
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 2: alongside West Ruler and Jerry Do. Like I missed the joke,

781
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 2: I'm rob.

782
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 4: I hate what I missed, the one of the laughing

783
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 4: Oh no no, I said you might want to make

784
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 4: a programming no golf show this week.

785
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 5: One of the one of the oldest tropes and radio

786
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 5: is like the best conversations happened during the commercial break.

787
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 3: Isn't that the truth? When we're here, when we're here

788
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 3: on radio, we did.

789
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 2: The same thing over it over at the TV side,

790
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: Like if we could roll the cameras, now that's what

791
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: we should be showing.

792
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 3: Of course you'd have to be the three of us. No,

793
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 3: we can be.

794
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 4: Talking about other people only except when he spills the

795
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 4: coffee on his nice Lulu.

796
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 3: That was so funny. No, no, no, I went in. I

797
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 3: went into the men's room.

798
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 4: That's quality you expect.

799
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 2: So as as as West pointed out, but you know,

800
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: I never wear white because it's done.

801
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 3: I'm a I'm I'm you know.

802
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 2: Do you remember Joe Benda or Buddy Joe Bendall, Joe

803
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 2: bend Joe and guys. Yeah, so Joe always be like man,

804
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: You're always so pulled together. I'm like, dude, you have

805
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 2: no idea away from here. Just when I saw Jerry

806
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 2: do like Jerry do like thought, I big time of

807
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 2: it at Kenny. Would you remember that you're with your daughter,

808
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 2: So Jerry's there, So Jerry the picture of Sartorio splendor

809
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 2: all times, right, Natalie dressed.

810
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,479
Speaker 3: I think to say the least of course for this reason.

811
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 3: Cut offs, cut off, cut off, sleeveless, you know, the

812
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 3: old white.

813
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to go to the potato pass add

814
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 2: on backward.

815
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 3: So I get a get a hey, Robin, I'm like, hey,

816
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 3: how you doing.

817
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 4: I don't even get yeah, I get.

818
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 3: I would That's what I know I'm not that kind

819
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 3: of a person. I would never do that.

820
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: But I was on my way out of the park

821
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: with my family going through, and Jerry's like, oh, your big.

822
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 3: Time man, and then I I, hey, who are you?

823
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 3: Who's underneath all that? Who's that young man in the

824
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 3: back horse?

825
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 4: Yeah? And then I see him at the uh place

826
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 4: out in the North Hills, a fish place off the alcohol.

827
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, but then I recoonend, yeah, because we were

828
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 4: cleaned up, right, Yeah, yeah, he.

829
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 3: Was cleaned up.

830
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 2: So, uh, we've been kind of by the way Matt

831
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 2: Williamson getting ready to do he's rare to go.

832
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 3: Boy.

833
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 5: Look, it's like a lions stocking prey here looking for

834
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 5: a gazelle.

835
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 4: He's looking for a gazelle to go feast upon. He's

836
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 4: going to just yank this microphone on my head.

837
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, he's got a lot of knowledge. It is.

838
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 3: It is a little like, uh, I mean, he's like

839
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 3: a celebrity here, Yeah he is.

840
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 4: He is.

841
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 3: He's big.

842
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 4: This is this time of year, this is when he

843
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 4: roars he uh, he roars here and and knows all.

844
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 3: And I'm happy to take the back seat to that.

845
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 3: As Jerry.

846
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: You know, you got your your own sources as well,

847
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 2: impeccable sources, and that I highly respect. And you know,

848
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 2: when we're just talking about sort of the makeup of

849
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: the roster and who might be back, and there seems

850
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 2: to you know, there's a lot of people are saying

851
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 2: this guy's a cut candidate, that guy's a cut candidate.

852
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 2: I'm not really sure where we are in that process

853
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 2: with the team and who's going to be back and

854
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 2: who's not going to be back. You mentioned James Pierre,

855
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: who would ideally who had a great season, really great season,

856
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 2: And he's an interesting story because, you know, and Mike

857
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 2: Tomlin talked about this. He came in during the COVID

858
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 2: season and there was some buzz about him early on, Hey,

859
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 2: this guy could potentially be a starting corner and then

860
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 2: a very uneven career and people forget. But he was

861
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 2: on the practice squad, not the regular roster when they

862
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 2: broke camp, and by the end of the year, I

863
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 2: think it was PFF had him as like, although he

864
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 2: didn't have enough to qualify officially as like the highest

865
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 2: rated cover corner in the NFL.

866
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 3: Number two.

867
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 5: You're saying number two. I think it was behind Devin Witherspoon,

868
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 5: of Seattle. I think was one pretty good company. Pretty

869
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 5: good company, that's not bad company.

870
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Speaker 2: But if he comes back, and you know, as you

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Speaker 2: look at the roster, I think there are guys under contract,

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Speaker 2: like a Corey Trice who's very interesting and intriguing. Dante Kent.

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Speaker 2: You know, you talk about who's gonna be your punt returner. Well,

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Speaker 2: he was a guy reputation is a terrific punt returner

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Speaker 2: in college. But he got hurt and we never got that's.

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Speaker 4: Corey Trice's problem. It's gonna be hard for them to

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Speaker 4: take another chance on him. Three times he thought Trice

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Speaker 4: Thrice injured. You know, it's gonna be tough for UH

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Speaker 4: for him. But yeah, Dante Kent was a guy that

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Speaker 4: they liked. But you know, again his season interrupted. They

881
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Speaker 4: might be willing obviously to give him another chance. But

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Speaker 4: you know you're talking to Michaels's back at the cornerback position,

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Speaker 4: and you talk about James Pierre. Here's the guy you know,

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Speaker 4: I've always said he's the defense is Mason Rudolph. Whenever

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Speaker 4: he gets in, he plays very well. But they never

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Speaker 4: not well enough that they well, I got something.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, I mitching I'm mitching myself. Okay,

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Speaker 3: he's doing that.

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00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 4: I'm thinking, what I got something about me?

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Speaker 3: No one can see it on radio. We're on radio.

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Speaker 4: That's too bad. We put it on TV. So but uh,

892
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Speaker 4: but he's a guy who whenever he plays, plays very well.

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Speaker 4: But keep this in mind. Note too, you have the

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Speaker 4: coaching staff changing, so so the Steeler coaches that we're

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Speaker 4: here are now elsewhere Aron the big and somebody goes, hey,

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Speaker 4: James Fierre is not bad. He's a free agent. Somebody

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Speaker 4: might then go pay That's not they're going to pay

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00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 4: him big money, but go scoop up James Pierre so

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Speaker 4: he doesn't pay play for the what we just a

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Speaker 4: couple million right now with the Steelers, he'd be a

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Speaker 4: late signing. So that's a possibility too where you could

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Speaker 4: lose him now that the coaching staff has changed, when

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00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 4: you've had that turnover like that, So keep that in

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Speaker 4: mind as well. But James Pierre is a guy, perfect

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Speaker 4: guy to bring in a backup, you know, a guy

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Speaker 4: that you rely on if you have to pay him

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Speaker 4: in dime or whatever. You saw it last year and

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Speaker 4: with those stats that you know you're talking about, PFF,

909
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 4: those coaches. They see that, and so that's going to

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00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 4: bode well for James Pierre for another team maybe to

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00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 4: make him a nice little offer.

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Speaker 5: Matt and I looked this up last week. I think

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Speaker 5: it was on the drive. Six years in the league

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Speaker 5: for James Pierre, his career earnings are just a shade

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Speaker 5: under six million dollars, so almost total total, exactly total,

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Speaker 5: So six million, six years, almost six million. Now, I

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Speaker 5: think the three of us would sign up for that

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Speaker 5: right now, to make to make six million over the

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Speaker 5: next six years. But he might look at this is

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Speaker 5: this is my big opportunity to really cash in.

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Speaker 2: Right And again, as we point out, you know, free

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Speaker 2: agency not just free for the teams, why don't we

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Speaker 2: sign this guy, because it's free for the players as well.

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Speaker 2: And as Jerry said, it only takes one team to

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Speaker 2: say we think Kenneth Gainwell is worth nine million dollars

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Speaker 2: a year, we think James Pierre is worth six million

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Speaker 2: dollars a year for you to back off and say, okay,

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Speaker 2: we might we might go elsewhere. I'm just throwing out

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Speaker 2: obviously arbitrary numbers here, but players certainly of interest for

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Speaker 2: the Steelers and their fans. Heading into free agency. Do

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Speaker 2: look forward to seeing you over the rest of the week,

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Speaker 2: my friend, maybe dinner tonight. Maybe dinner Tonight's little golf

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Speaker 2: in between. I don't think that's gonna happens. A little

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Speaker 2: chili outside wey, you've got you got your.

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Speaker 3: Drive. Just this is an order for west Well main

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Speaker 3: courses is coming on.

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Speaker 4: Shrimp shrimp cocktail. Oh that's clear off this table and

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Speaker 4: let them take a nap, is what they should do.

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Speaker 3: So for Wes you other For Jerry Dulac, I'm Rob King.

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Speaker 3: We thank you, of course for joining us during our

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Speaker 3: combine coverage here on nine seventy and Steelers Nation Radio.

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