Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 3: These episodes are based on These are our stories.
Speaker 4: Done done?
Speaker 2: Yay, that's messed up. An SVU podcast another episode. I
Speaker 2: am Lisa Traeger.
Speaker 1: And I'm Kara Klank, and you know, we talk SVU.
Speaker 1: We talk true crime, and then we interview a guest sometimes,
Speaker 1: but first we catch up in chat. Lisa, what's going
Speaker 1: on with you? You're all over the place.
Speaker 2: Well huge morning plane. Jane did follow me back on Instagram.
Speaker 3: Thanks excuse me? Yeah, so that's pretty good.
Speaker 2: I wonder maybe I can stalk her in New York
Speaker 2: and get my claws in her because I am so excited.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Actually, as the release of this of this episode comes out,
Speaker 1: we will know who the new queen is. We don't
Speaker 1: because obviously we're in a bit of a time machine.
Speaker 2: When are we getting the reunion? Like I loved the
Speaker 2: lip sync. I think we should talk about it.
Speaker 3: I think it was Friday. It was a lip sync
Speaker 3: battle with all the eliminated queens. Oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: I haven't watched.
Speaker 2: Yet Oh okay, I thought it was that reunion.
Speaker 3: No, it was a lip sync battle. I kind of turnt.
Speaker 1: It was awesome because you know, I don't love the
Speaker 1: sit down reunion that much for drag Race. I certainly
Speaker 1: do for Housewives, but for drag Race, I don't love
Speaker 1: it as much.
Speaker 3: I do love it, but the lips.
Speaker 2: What I love about it is like the Limited, you
Speaker 2: just get to see the Limited queens shine and give
Speaker 2: them another chance to solidify their careers post show. So
Speaker 2: I love that that outfits were fun, the vibe was fun,
Speaker 2: and then I love the reunion no matter what. But
Speaker 2: I'm wondering if it's going to be one of those
Speaker 2: live finales where it's in then like at the theater
Speaker 2: and it's the Queen's because that or what's gonna happen?
Speaker 3: Or do we not get a reunion anymore?
Speaker 2: Like I'm devastated, well, because why would it happen after
Speaker 2: the finale? That's or maybe it will be after the finale.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty positive finale is the nineteenth, because I googled
Speaker 1: it because my brother's coming to town, my brother who
Speaker 1: got me into drag Race, and we're planning to go
Speaker 1: watch it at a bar somewhere, and so I've been
Speaker 1: like texting around with people being like, where are you
Speaker 1: watching finale? So I feel like it's definitely happening, But
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's going to be the same
Speaker 1: kind of sit down, spill the t vibe that they've had.
Speaker 3: Maybe they were like just replaced. I don't.
Speaker 2: Especially with playing Jane and all the drama that's been caused,
Speaker 2: and like there's just been so much stuff. So I
Speaker 2: definitely want to talk with the girls. I mean the
Speaker 2: mandatory meeting, Like why would they miss out on that
Speaker 2: kind of opportunity?
Speaker 1: I know that's what I was gonna I was just
Speaker 1: about to say, a mandatory meeting. You're right, maybe they're
Speaker 1: gonna do it like the shit they do on the
Speaker 1: stage at the live shows where they kind of bring
Speaker 1: out a little clumps through me so they talk. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe they're gonna do that. I bet they will. I
Speaker 1: bet they will. I'm just surprised because I usually know
Speaker 1: a couple of people that go to the live and
Speaker 1: I maybe I'll just text my one friend who usually
Speaker 1: goes and be like, did that did it happen? Did
Speaker 1: they already recorded at like the Ace Hotel? Because well, and.
Speaker 2: Then I felt like a fool because then I saw
Speaker 2: a post that said Rupaula is retiring, and then I
Speaker 2: took a springshots to read it later and then and
Speaker 2: then in Baltimore, I was talking to some Gaze about
Speaker 2: it and they're like, god, you're so straight.
Speaker 3: That was like from ten days ago, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I am. I want to let you know solidarity. I
Speaker 3: fully fell into that.
Speaker 1: It was the fitness Gaze instagram that I follow and
Speaker 1: they said they they go.
Speaker 2: It's a parody account. I go, yeah, I thought they
Speaker 2: were reposting it. It's a big deal in the game.
Speaker 2: He's retiring, Like.
Speaker 1: It's not crazy like ru Is, you know, running himself
Speaker 1: ragged with all of these things. So I don't think
Speaker 1: it's crazy, like but I read it out loud to
Speaker 1: Jared and was like, oh my god, RuPaul stepping down.
Speaker 1: Like I fully fully walked into the trap. And I
Speaker 1: also remain a straight person that's been fooled. But I'm
Speaker 1: excited to watch it, especially with my bro show him
Speaker 1: the sort of fun la drag race bar scene. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm excited. Obviously, I was talking to my friend Jed,
Speaker 1: He's on team Nymphia.
Speaker 3: I'm Sephira.
Speaker 1: I think it's Sephia's to lose pretty much, but because
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna want to keep Jane for an
Speaker 1: All Stars obviously, you know they need another season of
Speaker 1: her wreaking havoc.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know they given't. I hashtagged playing Jane tonight, Listen.
Speaker 2: I was all team Saphira. She is credible and good
Speaker 2: at everything, but the one slip up just really it's
Speaker 2: in my head. I think the twin challenge was a
Speaker 2: giant flop. She obviously had a pivot last minute, but like,
Speaker 2: I just can't see her the same and it's unfair
Speaker 2: because she is so good, but I just I can't
Speaker 2: look past that little blue underskirt, the puffy thing.
Speaker 3: I just can't.
Speaker 1: We're also coming off of like a Sasha season where
Speaker 1: Sasha made zero mistakes, and so yeah, I can see
Speaker 1: why there's a little bit of but.
Speaker 3: You're allowed to flop.
Speaker 2: It was I couldn't look past the flop because plane
Speaker 2: Jane also, you know, had a lip sync last week
Speaker 2: or two weeks ago and it did true. But I
Speaker 2: just love her face and the episode you didn't see
Speaker 2: she's wearing a Google eye outfit, and I do love
Speaker 2: Google eyes, so they're out.
Speaker 1: Famously gave one of our friend's kids a two pound
Speaker 1: bag of googly eyes for.
Speaker 3: Their birthday, right, you I did a long time ago. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think this is like six years ago. I know
Speaker 3: you love googly eyes. Well.
Speaker 2: I also had one of my dreams come true where
Speaker 2: I did get to tell on a child at an
Speaker 2: art museum that was touching the art. So it was
Speaker 2: it was ridiculous. She kept touching the art and the
Speaker 2: dad was just kept being like, I mean, don't touch it,
Speaker 2: but like kept letting her touch everything. And I said
Speaker 2: what the fuck twice to this family and they did nothing.
Speaker 2: So I ran out and I said there's a kid
Speaker 2: in there touching art, And boy did this.
Speaker 3: Man run fast and he caught her mid touch.
Speaker 2: And then the mom made a face of like what like, okay, relax,
Speaker 2: and it's like, are you out of your fucking mind?
Speaker 2: Like I think I think if you're I think you should.
Speaker 3: Be kicked out of a museum. I do. I do.
Speaker 2: I think if you touch art you should be immediately
Speaker 2: escorted out.
Speaker 3: Reason No, not cool.
Speaker 1: I mean there's reasons why I haven't brought my son
Speaker 1: to many art museums.
Speaker 3: You know he can't be.
Speaker 1: Trusted, but oh, absolutely not. I'm glad you fucking got
Speaker 1: it taken care of. I mean, I know this is
Speaker 1: gonna be old news. We're in the fucking time machine,
Speaker 1: but just let me have this. Taylor and Teresa Judais
Speaker 1: side by side at Coachella. What is happening with life?
Speaker 1: I know there was, but we're saying it's photoshop, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I think, unfortunately it is real, because
Speaker 1: Louis had pictures of him clearly trying to take creepshots
Speaker 1: of Tailor and Travis like behind him, like acting like
Speaker 1: he was taking a selfie but holding it way too
Speaker 1: high and trying to get them in photos.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a tweet that said, one day I'll
Speaker 2: have to explain to my grandchildren why this is framed
Speaker 2: in my home. And I loved that he also lifted her.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was a big day. It was a
Speaker 2: big day. She was drinking.
Speaker 1: I forgot it was Coachella until all those picks started
Speaker 1: pouring out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun and she's like a genius. She gets
Speaker 2: to just get drunk at Coachella with this hot ass
Speaker 2: dude who's lifting her up. But also be promoting her
Speaker 2: album all at the same time. It's magic. I'm lucky
Speaker 2: to be a part of it. I'm not a part
Speaker 2: of it. I'm not a part of it. I'm glaring
Speaker 2: at it on my phone.
Speaker 1: But I just saw an article that I almost sent
Speaker 1: to you but got distracted. Like New York magazine or
Speaker 1: somebody has an article that's like Taylor Swift, like broke
Speaker 1: up our friendship or something. But I don't know really
Speaker 1: the context of the article. It's just it was like
Speaker 1: about like someone as a swifty being friends with a
Speaker 1: not swiftye and it didn't go well. But obviously there's
Speaker 1: underlying issues. It's not like Taylor broke up their friendship,
Speaker 1: you know. But I'll send it to you. I'll find
Speaker 1: it and send it to you.
Speaker 2: Ending Okay, it was only posted five hours ago. You
Speaker 2: really got your hands on it quick.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I actually I'm a new subscriber. I get the
Speaker 2: print versions of New York Magazine sent to me and
Speaker 2: the cut. Oh it's one of my I thought for
Speaker 2: New York. You know what, I miss magazines. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be here a while.
Speaker 1: A magazine's a great thing to like throw in your bag.
Speaker 1: For the subway too. You know, we're not We're not
Speaker 1: lugging around books.
Speaker 3: We're just not.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: And the articles are long. I mean the articles are
Speaker 2: long in there. These are investigative pieces. So okay, let's see.
Speaker 2: This is ending a friendship over Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift
Speaker 2: remains a constant source of comfort and understanding. My friend
Speaker 2: has become a distant memory.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: I mean like they intrigued me with the title because
Speaker 1: I was like, what happened?
Speaker 3: But then I didn't get to click yup.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I was sending one of our I
Speaker 2: was sending a friend while talking to her multiple photos
Speaker 2: and she kept going, why are you doing this? And
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I thought I was trying to
Speaker 2: explain something to you. She goes, I got it. I'm like, god,
Speaker 2: I got got it. I don't remember what I was
Speaker 2: trying to prove to her. Oh, I just said, Oh,
Speaker 2: it's exciting that she gets to be like in the
Speaker 2: crowd of Coachella, Like, as a super famous person, you
Speaker 2: would think you'd have to be side stage, and she
Speaker 2: was for some of it.
Speaker 3: But and I also hate that.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I'm just so happy that this billionaire
Speaker 2: found love.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: But here we are, I mean, but I'm just like,
Speaker 2: I'm happy that she gets to be in the crowd
Speaker 2: and mostly left alone.
Speaker 3: But also we got the picks.
Speaker 2: But the sushi restaurant she goes to is an omakase spot,
Speaker 2: and it is about four hundred dollars a person, even
Speaker 2: though it isn't a strip mall in La over A.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's but it's like a FedEx strip mall place.
Speaker 2: But it's been a celeb hot spot, I guess for
Speaker 2: twenty years. I did read an investigative report on why
Speaker 2: celebrities life to go there, Pulitzer.
Speaker 3: Prize winning report, I'm sure.
Speaker 2: And she was wearing a skirt that only costs forty dollars,
Speaker 2: Like I like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah she I think she probably does a lot of
Speaker 1: mixing of high low, right.
Speaker 3: Like that's her total thing. It's about relatability.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Gucci sneakers were definitely not forty dollars.
Speaker 1: But wait, really quickly, back to what you were saying
Speaker 1: about the kids touching the art. I have another kid
Speaker 1: thing I want to run by you. That happened to me.
Speaker 1: It didn't happen to me, it came into my life
Speaker 1: in the past few days. So you know that we
Speaker 1: belong to like a swim club in La okay, and
Speaker 1: it's you've been it is. Look, I recognize my privilege
Speaker 1: in being able to go to a pool, take my
Speaker 1: kids to a pool. It was important for me for
Speaker 1: them to know how to swim. But it is not fancy, right,
Speaker 1: It is like kind of just whatever. There are no lifeguards.
Speaker 1: It's like whatever, Okay, I don't think it's fancy. So
Speaker 1: it just popped like started popping off again because it's
Speaker 1: like getting warm here in La. So we get an
Speaker 1: email the other day that was like, hi, like, we
Speaker 1: just want to remind members that to uphold the elegance
Speaker 1: and sophistication of the club, please do not change your
Speaker 1: small children like on the pool deck, like change them
Speaker 1: in and out of their clothes or their bathing suits.
Speaker 1: And I am super guilty of that, Like I do
Speaker 1: that every single time. My kids are not embarrassed of nudity.
Speaker 1: I don't really, I don't care. So I just changed.
Speaker 1: It's not like I let them do a lap naked,
Speaker 1: but I take them out of their clothes really quickly
Speaker 1: over like buy a lawn chair and then I put
Speaker 1: them their bathing suits on really quick, and then when
Speaker 1: they get out, they're freezing and they're always like, give
Speaker 1: me out, and so I just take their bathing suits
Speaker 1: off really quick and put their clothes on. So now
Speaker 1: we've been told we're not supposed to be doing that.
Speaker 1: And I wrote back and was just like okay, Like,
Speaker 1: cause you've been there. The only bathroom is up in
Speaker 1: a in a main club area where you have to
Speaker 1: be dry impossible with children.
Speaker 3: You have to be dry to enter that area.
Speaker 1: Or you can go down these treacherous backsteps and they
Speaker 1: are like treacherous, they are treach.
Speaker 3: You've seen them. Like you're talking to me like it's.
Speaker 2: Either I've been down there, and then if father was like,
Speaker 2: my daughter's in there, can you help her?
Speaker 3: And I'm like I guess.
Speaker 1: Yes, Like and it's like if I go down there,
Speaker 1: if I have my kids alone, you're telling me that
Speaker 1: in like a two hour period, I would be going
Speaker 1: down there once to get them in bathing suits, down
Speaker 1: there for diaper changes, down there for bathroom changes, and
Speaker 1: down there for a swim change. Like I'm going up
Speaker 1: and down this set of stairs three to four to
Speaker 1: five times in a few hour period if I'm by myself,
Speaker 1: and I obviously took it to a Facebook group as
Speaker 1: you know, as my want a new group. I've been
Speaker 1: added just to parents at this at this place, and
Speaker 1: I got it. I got a conversation started, like everybody
Speaker 1: was like fuck that I'm not doing that. Like every
Speaker 1: I thought at people were gonna be like, yeah, it's weird,
Speaker 1: like don't have kids out there naked, But uh, everybody
Speaker 1: was like I'm doing this.
Speaker 3: Like this is crazy. So what do you think? Well,
Speaker 3: I don't know because.
Speaker 2: We went to the pool, and I guess it's kind
Speaker 2: of the situation like I think we were the only
Speaker 2: people doing that, But it's also not an issue to me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I do want to know the like what the elegance
Speaker 2: they mean? Do they mean like we got we have
Speaker 2: pedophiles here, you got to be here? Like is that
Speaker 2: what they're saying what I'm saying, or is it like
Speaker 2: it's like these are children I don't know, or it's
Speaker 2: like like who is uncomfortable by a naked kid?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 1: Did I talk on this podcast about the time that
Speaker 1: I brought Rosie to that this kid's museum and she
Speaker 1: got her clothes wet and she was potty trained, and like,
Speaker 1: but I didn't have anything for her to wear. So
Speaker 1: she was wearing a super long T shirt covering her
Speaker 1: private area. And someone called the staff on me and
Speaker 1: said I had to put a diaper on her, and
Speaker 1: I was like, she's potty trained, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: put a diaper on her, and they were like, well,
Speaker 1: you just like she has to cover up. But I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm at a children's museum. Everybody here has
Speaker 1: a child with them, like someone has a problem with
Speaker 1: of a giant, Like I'm so confused by this. This
Speaker 1: is like this to me, it relates a little bit, yes,
Speaker 1: and it relates to like you shouldn't be wearing something
Speaker 1: so short if you don't want guys to like comment
Speaker 1: on your you know what I mean. It's like, let's
Speaker 1: not give pedophiles the temptation, Like what are we saying?
Speaker 1: Like I don't I don't have a problem with nudity
Speaker 1: like at all, even like really for adults, I'm pretty open.
Speaker 1: I used to walk around my New York apartment like
Speaker 1: windows open, like I really don't care that much.
Speaker 3: But I'm just like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm curious if someone complained, like why they did it?
Speaker 3: What's going on?
Speaker 1: Well, they say, also it's health stuff because they serve
Speaker 1: food out there. But it's like this was like Wednesday
Speaker 1: Thursday when everybody just started coming because it got like
Speaker 1: nobody's eating.
Speaker 3: Do you think it's there because of you?
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, not at all, not at all, not
Speaker 1: at all, because a lot of people do this.
Speaker 3: I see it all the time.
Speaker 2: Wait, how did they respond to you once you wrote
Speaker 2: the email?
Speaker 1: I didn't write back saying fuck you, I'm gonna keep
Speaker 1: doing this. I was like, Okay, if you could like
Speaker 1: put up some kind of curtain makeshift like changing area
Speaker 1: on the upper area so that I don't have to
Speaker 1: go down into the depths of hell to change my children,
Speaker 1: like that would be great. They're like, yeah, we have
Speaker 1: to follow like LA Health code. I don't know if
Speaker 1: we're gonna be able to do that. And I was
Speaker 1: like okay. I was like, it's just very difficult with children.
Speaker 1: Like they put in the email, we understand the difficulties
Speaker 1: of raising young children.
Speaker 3: And someone in my and.
Speaker 1: The group was like, do you like you're asking us
Speaker 1: to do this like thing, but your your physical space
Speaker 1: is not like designed for people with young children.
Speaker 3: In mind sorely till I was a long time.
Speaker 2: It was just underwear and my sister in the Soviet Union,
Speaker 2: I mean, until she.
Speaker 3: Got to America.
Speaker 2: Like, I don't know, I think it's it's not a
Speaker 2: worldwide global issue.
Speaker 3: It is. Yeah, it's pure If.
Speaker 1: Somebody wrote next thing you that next thing, you know,
Speaker 1: they're gonna say no breastfeeding, Like it's like what you know,
Speaker 1: But I don't know, wanted to.
Speaker 3: Throw it out for you.
Speaker 1: Uh, I don't think they're gonna fucking do anything. And
Speaker 1: I also think, according to everybody that posted on this
Speaker 1: post that I made, that popped everybody off. No one's
Speaker 1: going to stop doing what they're doing. Like everyone's gonna
Speaker 1: keep doing it. So it's like be discreet, like don't
Speaker 1: let your kid like just like run around fully naked.
Speaker 2: I guess, like, oh wait, but I went to the
Speaker 2: Outsider Museum, the American Visionary Museum in Baltimore, and there
Speaker 2: was a flyer outside of an exhibit and it said
Speaker 2: having children makes you no more a parent than having
Speaker 2: a piano makes you a pianist.
Speaker 3: Oh pretty good, look at that. Yeah you hear that, casey.
Speaker 2: But yeah, So I took a photo of that, and
Speaker 2: then I saw that fucking kid touching the art and
Speaker 2: I'm like, I hope they see this fucking banner too.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So anyway, just another day in like not being
Speaker 1: able to, uh have my children naked anywhere I go,
Speaker 1: even though that's my goal.
Speaker 2: I think if we should be able to be naked,
Speaker 2: but I guess we were the only ones, so it's like,
Speaker 2: as no one else doing it, but then in this group,
Speaker 2: it seems like everyone's doing it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I went to.
Speaker 2: The beach with one of her other friends and this
Speaker 2: was a big beach and her kids were fully naked
Speaker 2: and people were not into it because there are the
Speaker 2: only ones. So it's like it's not a big deal.
Speaker 2: I think kids should be able to be naked, like
Speaker 2: that's the point. Yeah, But because they're not, then your
Speaker 2: kids are the only naked kids right in a hundred
Speaker 2: plus kids.
Speaker 3: So that's why it's weird.
Speaker 1: And obviously it's like I will take my child's lead
Speaker 1: on this too, like in case anybody is like gonna
Speaker 1: you know, like if my kids suddenly are like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I want privacy, Like they know about privacy from like
Speaker 1: going to the bathroom and stuff like that like, if
Speaker 1: they suddenly don't want to be naked, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: like strip them naked. But why didn't they don't you know,
Speaker 1: like no, no, I'm not saying you, but like, you know,
Speaker 1: just in general, it's like I think a lot of people,
Speaker 1: like I've been with kids that are my daughter's friends
Speaker 1: and their parents take me to the clubhouse because they're like,
Speaker 1: she doesn't really like to be like n and it's
Speaker 1: like that's fine, great, like but mine don't care, so
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I'd sick of weird. It's a
Speaker 3: weird thing.
Speaker 2: Well, my dad made me pee outside when I didn't
Speaker 2: want to, and all of our friends that we were
Speaker 2: going to Disney with did see me, and it was humiliating.
Speaker 3: So not.
Speaker 1: That was another part of the email was no letting
Speaker 1: them pee in the bushes, And I was like, listen,
Speaker 1: I go when I wrote, I go, I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about that part. That part I'm fine with. We're not
Speaker 1: we should not be letting them just like use the
Speaker 1: bathroom wherever, but like you know, at a you know,
Speaker 1: at a property.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think it's just because there if it's
Speaker 2: the only one, because if ever I'm thinking of like
Speaker 2: the heckling thing where it's like, what, what's the big deal.
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, no one else is heckling, so clearly
Speaker 2: this is an issue. Yeah, or like it's weird, but
Speaker 2: they're the weird ones because who cares.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, thank you. I knew you'd be on
Speaker 3: my side on this. It is.
Speaker 2: It's not a sciatal thing. It's like a big oh
Speaker 2: my god, it's so funny. I was getting a facial
Speaker 2: and like we were vibing, but then me too came
Speaker 2: up and then it was like, oh great, Oh no.
Speaker 2: She's like, I don't know, you're an adult, you can leave,
Speaker 2: and I was like, yeah, I just think it's a
Speaker 2: little more complicated than that. I know.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, you're having a great conversation with somebody
Speaker 1: and then they just like bring up the most terrible
Speaker 1: stand up comedian and they're like I love them.
Speaker 3: You know, You're like, no, we were doing good. Well.
Speaker 2: So my train to Baltimore was delayed I think like
Speaker 2: two and a half extra hours, and so I was
Speaker 2: on there for a while. There was i would say,
Speaker 2: a child like a freshman in college next to me
Speaker 2: watching clips of Michael cha and so I thought it
Speaker 2: was funny. But then I saw Ben Shapiro came up
Speaker 2: in his Explorer page and I'm like, you better ignore that, bitch.
Speaker 2: But he was watching golf, and I'm sorry, Like golf
Speaker 2: did not have this kind of a moment ever in
Speaker 2: my life. Like, I don't understand how golf has a
Speaker 2: choke hold right now on everybody, even in the stores. Like,
Speaker 2: if you're watching golf, you're a young teen. What is
Speaker 2: going on?
Speaker 1: My brother is my brother David has always been super
Speaker 1: into golf.
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2: I don't know how does he feel he knows there's
Speaker 2: been an explosion right, like there's got to.
Speaker 3: Be or he's just always been into it.
Speaker 1: Well he's always been into it, like because he's always
Speaker 1: been into it. He was a caddie when he was
Speaker 1: a teen, and like he loves it.
Speaker 2: No, I know, but how does does he realize that
Speaker 2: it's the current?
Speaker 1: Do you feel like that's total or do you think
Speaker 1: it's just because the masters is happening right now or like.
Speaker 2: WHOA, I think pandemic because it was an outdoor activity
Speaker 2: and I think that, but it's kind of like I
Speaker 2: was talking to a group once and I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, everyone's skiing and they're like, no one
Speaker 2: is skiing in my feed, and so it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I might know people that are doing something different in
Speaker 2: skiing and it's not universal. But I feel like golf
Speaker 2: is everywhere, like the outfits every like it just seems
Speaker 2: more popular than ever before.
Speaker 3: And also because.
Speaker 1: Now your algorithm knows that you like sports, so they're
Speaker 1: seeing how many sports they can get you into.
Speaker 2: Before even comics, comics are golfing now, like people are
Speaker 2: golfing that I would never have expected our golfing.
Speaker 3: There's golf podcasts with young comedians. Last year I went
Speaker 3: to when we went to Moontower, I did the golfing competition.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to golf. Yeah, so yeah, it's
Speaker 1: popping off. Golf is having a moment.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if it's a scheme thing where
Speaker 2: it's just in my world. But like, I just never
Speaker 2: felt like comics were out there golfing on their free time.
Speaker 2: Like I know someone that is selling their house right now,
Speaker 2: Like my sister knows them to move to a different
Speaker 2: house to be closer to the golf course. I know
Speaker 2: another family that's moving to a different town to be
Speaker 2: next to a better golf course. These are good, Yes,
Speaker 2: I like, and it's new to me. I understand moving
Speaker 2: for a school district I've never heard of. I'm not
Speaker 2: for golf courses and I.
Speaker 3: Just don't like it.
Speaker 2: And the Masters just came out and said they're including
Speaker 2: women would take away the magic and majestic nature of
Speaker 2: the tournament. So God, and the country club that was
Speaker 2: near my house obviously didn't allow Jews.
Speaker 1: But well, I think I've talked to you about this.
Speaker 1: How my dad drove me to a bird they party
Speaker 1: at the country club in my town when I was
Speaker 1: in fifth grade, and the whole way there told me
Speaker 1: about how they don't accept Jews and to not not
Speaker 1: bring it up that I'm Jewish. So I spent the
Speaker 1: entire party being like, Hi, like totally freaking out because
Speaker 1: I was like eleven, and I was like, are they
Speaker 1: going to find out and make me leave?
Speaker 3: Like it was?
Speaker 1: But you know, that's just my dad being stupid. But
Speaker 1: I wanted to point out if anybody is interested while
Speaker 1: we're a golf club.
Speaker 3: No, if anybody wants to come to a golf no.
Speaker 1: Revisionist history Malcolm Gladwell's podcast, which I think I've mentioned before,
Speaker 1: has an amazing episode that I believe is called a
Speaker 1: Good Walk Spoiled. It's from many seasons ago on his
Speaker 1: podcasts because I've kind of fallen off of it, But
Speaker 1: it's about golf courses and how they fucking take up
Speaker 1: all this beautiful land in cities. They pay no taxes
Speaker 1: because they figured out loopholes where country clubs can say
Speaker 1: that their members are their owners instead of them actually
Speaker 1: having an owner, and so they end up not having
Speaker 1: to pay any taxes because that would be like it's crazy.
Speaker 1: And in Canada, a lot of the golf courses, like
Speaker 1: in Toronto and stuff will be open to the public
Speaker 1: during the week and then for members only on the
Speaker 1: weekends and so, but we don't do that in the States.
Speaker 1: And like in l A specifically, it's like there's these
Speaker 1: massive like people are living on the streets and then
Speaker 1: there's these massive golf courses where no one's paying taxes.
Speaker 1: So it's fucked up. Listened to a good asses. These
Speaker 1: rich people I mean watching all want to get mad
Speaker 1: about golf. There's so much more to get mad about,
Speaker 1: like well seeing succession.
Speaker 2: I'm just like Wow, these rich people just know how
Speaker 2: not to pay taxes and it's over.
Speaker 3: It's incredible.
Speaker 2: It's truly incredible, the thirst for evil and power.
Speaker 3: But you know, from the beginning of time.
Speaker 1: As always, our intro is veering into a bright, happy, funny.
Speaker 2: Noes Caine killed Abel for what a horse or something
Speaker 2: like shit happens?
Speaker 3: Oh God?
Speaker 2: All right, Well I did talk about this on my story.
Speaker 2: I know Casey is mad. Do not shake your head.
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna laugh. I think you're gonna laugh. Okay,
Speaker 2: So yesterday I got in I'm leaving town again tomorrow,
Speaker 2: so I filled. I have a giant laundry backpack. It's
Speaker 2: filled to the brim. Then I took all the sheets
Speaker 2: and towels in a garbage bag. And then I had
Speaker 2: two dresses for dry cleaning. So I'm holding it all.
Speaker 2: I'm walking And then but before I left, I go, oh,
Speaker 2: I should put in the underwear I'm wearing now, Like,
Speaker 2: what's the point of having extra like dirty underwear? So
Speaker 2: I put that in the bag. So I'm walking down.
Speaker 2: I'm walking down. Something feels not right. My ass was
Speaker 2: fully out the whole walk. No, the backpack pulled my
Speaker 2: dress up I did not notice, and I like it
Speaker 2: took me probably half a block to be like, oh,
Speaker 2: my asses fully out.
Speaker 3: People were sitting on my stoop.
Speaker 2: They definitely saw my ass like I, but no one
Speaker 2: helped me. And I feel like that is not the
Speaker 2: community that I want to be a part of, Like, fucking.
Speaker 3: Tell me my ass is out.
Speaker 2: But also I had to stop wearing short dresses with
Speaker 2: no underwear like that is for some reason, I keep
Speaker 2: doing that, but the butt has never been out. I
Speaker 2: think it's because I'm not thinking. When I'm doing laundry.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, yeah, kay, take the underwear off whatever,
Speaker 2: put something on. Yeah, and it's like you need a length,
Speaker 2: you need a little bit of length. Okay, Well Casey
Speaker 2: did not lappy put his camera off, So.
Speaker 3: Casey turned his camera off for the underwear story.
Speaker 1: I've definitely helped a girl before and said, girl, your
Speaker 1: dress is like caught into the back of your purse
Speaker 1: or like whatever, you know, like you gotta we got
Speaker 1: to help each other out here. People come on, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the world is ending, we need help. But let's pop
Speaker 1: into this episode because this is one people have been
Speaker 1: asking for forever.
Speaker 3: We've been dying to do it.
Speaker 1: And here we go, Okay, twenty five acts. We're getting
Speaker 1: into season fourteen, and this is episode three. So if
Speaker 1: you'll recall, this is coming right off of two episodes
Speaker 1: that we've covered with Paget Brewster and the whole culminamination
Speaker 1: of a really a three episode arc that started at
Speaker 1: the very end of season thirteen went into fourteen about
Speaker 1: Carissa Gibson, Bart, Gonzel, d'liah Wilson, the whole this huge
Speaker 1: NYPD scandal that's uncovered where all these prosecute all these
Speaker 1: like das and judges and high level like politicians and
Speaker 1: shit are all implicated in this prostitution ring and other
Speaker 1: bad acts. And not that prostitution is a bad act,
Speaker 1: but you know what I'm saying, like they all these
Speaker 1: guys are, all these men and women that are doing
Speaker 1: this are corrupt, and the NYPD's kind of just been
Speaker 1: broken open. And Craigan is still out because you know,
Speaker 1: they had to clear him from waking up in the
Speaker 1: bed with a dead sex worker and you know, so
Speaker 1: that takes a minute of bureaucracy, I think. So as
Speaker 1: Finn and Benson are strolling into the squad room, Benson's
Speaker 1: mentioning that there's been sixteen murders over fourth of July,
Speaker 1: and Finn's like, you cut back the stop and searches
Speaker 1: and people start carrying, and I'm like, not Finn being
Speaker 1: pro stop and frisk.
Speaker 3: I don't like that one bit.
Speaker 1: Not a great start to that episode of just Finn
Speaker 1: being like, Yep, you gotta frisk people randomly it works,
Speaker 1: because I think it's been proven that it does not.
Speaker 1: And Munch is like, it could also be the heat
Speaker 1: wave we've had twenty days in a row over ninety degrees.
Speaker 2: Wow, it would work if they stopped and frisk the whites.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, because it seems like the whites.
Speaker 2: Are out there shooting at a lot of places.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the whites are at the top of the
Speaker 1: mass shooter roster.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So maybe stop and frisk would work if they
Speaker 2: targeted a different demographic.
Speaker 3: Just the thought, just the thought.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I have read before that crime rates do
Speaker 1: rise in hot temperatures, that summer always has more crimes,
Speaker 1: like and I think that's been proven.
Speaker 3: I did a quick.
Speaker 1: Google and it does seem started by studies. Although I
Speaker 1: guess you could also say correlation doesn't equal causation. But
Speaker 1: I'm not going to spend any more time on this.
Speaker 1: If you want to research that, feel free hell, or
Speaker 1: you could just watch Do the Right Thing. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: all about a hot summer.
Speaker 3: I've never seen that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's good. It's really good.
Speaker 3: I got it.
Speaker 2: Actually, So I just got into a movie game. Vulture
Speaker 2: has one. Now it's like every weekday the Grid. I
Speaker 2: told you about it.
Speaker 3: It's hard.
Speaker 2: I found the site where they got the game from.
Speaker 2: It's called moviegrid dot Io. I'm fully addicted. I just
Speaker 2: hit archive over and over. I played NonStop, and it
Speaker 2: just hit me. John Tooturo's in that one and I
Speaker 2: should remember that.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, great, great, file that away, file it away.
Speaker 2: Because he was just in one of them. And I
Speaker 2: picked three other movies and so.
Speaker 3: Now I'm it. It is hard, but it's really fun.
Speaker 2: So if anyone loves the movie game and a grid
Speaker 2: moviegrid dot io, I'm not getting paid.
Speaker 1: I just was literally on spring break with my kids
Speaker 1: for you know, eight full days of face to FaceTime, and.
Speaker 3: Oh it's been so funny.
Speaker 2: Our friend posted like kids going back to school tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Holler if you celebrate like I can't wait? I like,
Speaker 3: why already?
Speaker 1: I just dropped them off an hour ago, and it
Speaker 1: was like them, I feel so free. But I've been
Speaker 1: playing so many games. I've been going to bed early,
Speaker 1: like in hotel rooms with them and shit. So like,
Speaker 1: I'm playing Wordle, I'm playing Connection, I'm playing the new
Speaker 1: thread is it called Threads that we play now? Playing Strands?
Speaker 1: Threads is is on Instagram. I'm playing Strands. I'm playing
Speaker 1: the mini Crossword, and then I go into spelling me
Speaker 1: even though they cut me off after five guesses. I'm
Speaker 1: going in there and I'm just doing five words, and
Speaker 1: then I I'm wilding out on the NYT games. I
Speaker 1: gotta get into the I do pay, I don't. I
Speaker 1: pay for my subscription. I think I should get games
Speaker 1: with that. I know, I pay twenty dollars a month
Speaker 1: for the New York Times. I can't get a game.
Speaker 1: Come on, guys, Yeah too much.
Speaker 2: But I do feel really disconnected from society because I'll
Speaker 2: do guess it like it shows you the percentage of
Speaker 2: people that also guess your guests and the amount of
Speaker 2: times that's at one point seven percent, zero point nine percent,
Speaker 2: two percent.
Speaker 3: I'm like, for Wordle, you mean no, for this movie?
Speaker 3: Grid Game. Oh, I'm like shocked.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I guess I'm the only one watching Friends
Speaker 2: with money? Like what, like I put Forces of Nature
Speaker 2: two point nine percent of people.
Speaker 3: I'm like, what's going on? I don't know, Like I
Speaker 3: just feeled Arlington Road four percent.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'll bet you what it is is like
Speaker 1: it's mostly men playing that game, and you have like
Speaker 1: a female perspective of movie watching.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know the amount of Dark Night and Avenger,
Speaker 2: I mean and Avengers ever just to Bradley Cooper's and
Speaker 2: The Guardian's if you don't know an answer, just throw
Speaker 2: in an end game Avengers.
Speaker 3: I bet.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's just like men think they kind of own the
Speaker 1: movie space. I feel, and that's why I think that
Speaker 1: maybe that game is that's where you're getting those percentages.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just not that into you two percent. I'm like,
Speaker 3: what star studded a classic, A book that I read
Speaker 3: as well as a movie I consumed as well.
Speaker 2: Look one just came up, Murder by Numbers one point
Speaker 2: seven percent.
Speaker 3: Just watch that on a plane and I loved it.
Speaker 3: What would you guess? Ryan Gosling released from two thousand
Speaker 3: to twenty ten. I we why didn't think that of
Speaker 3: a No. No, I'm literally I'm stumped. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's a good guest murdered by numbers, gus
Speaker 1: like oh two weeks notice or no, that's not even him?
Speaker 3: What's what like, Gus? Oh the Notebook?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't even really watch The Notebook until like
Speaker 1: a year ago. He didn't really come into my consciousness.
Speaker 1: I feel like until like Drive and like that era,
Speaker 1: which was I think twenty ten's so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've also guessed Lars and the Real Girl. Well,
Speaker 3: well I did see that. That was a low percent too.
Speaker 3: What's find a movie where he's shooting people and he
Speaker 3: can fly? That's the one? It is?
Speaker 2: No, he put sixty five percent of people guessed the Notebook.
Speaker 3: Oh, got it right. He's a rom com man. I guess.
Speaker 1: Okay, So we're in the squad, everyone's talking about crime whatever,
Speaker 1: and in walks Adam Baldwin, who is Captain Stephen Harris,
Speaker 1: And I don't like this guy in life or on
Speaker 1: the show. On the show, he is a poor man's
Speaker 1: vincent and offrio to me, and off the show. He
Speaker 1: was involved in gamer Gate, so he's a no thank
Speaker 1: you for me anyway, he is standing in for Daddy
Speaker 1: Craigan while he like wipes the whole stink of the
Speaker 1: Chrissa Gibson, Barganzel Deally a controversy off of him. Everyone's
Speaker 1: annoyed that he's there, Harris Craigan. They're like, Craigan was
Speaker 1: cleared a month ago, and he's like, yep, one Ppie
Speaker 1: solicita declare and fit for duty.
Speaker 2: It's so funny that you think he's a Danafrio type.
Speaker 2: To me, he's a Surproco type.
Speaker 1: That's so funny that you're bringing up Surproco because that
Speaker 1: there's literally a reference to that in five minutes in
Speaker 1: the episode Oh wow, like two.
Speaker 3: Minutes from now.
Speaker 1: And I googled Surproco to talk about it because I
Speaker 1: don't really know who Curproco is.
Speaker 3: I've never seen that movie. No, who's the guy, the
Speaker 3: blonde guy, ah who comes in?
Speaker 2: H Terry Curproco. Yes, he gives me that vibe. It's
Speaker 2: just like a brute of a guy who comes in.
Speaker 2: SVU doesn't understand victims once the boss benson around, acts
Speaker 2: like a dickhead, and then at the end goes, I
Speaker 2: guess I respect, I know, I hear what.
Speaker 3: You're saying, but that guy's a little bit more like
Speaker 3: he did, like Benson the Boss do what I say.
Speaker 1: Like, and this guy is more like just creepily even keeled.
Speaker 1: And that's I guess where the Jenofrio comes in for me,
Speaker 1: Like he's just kind of like I'm gonna switch things up,
Speaker 1: you know, he's just very like ugh, you know, and
Speaker 1: he's like you, I don't know. There's more evidence to
Speaker 1: why he sucks later in this episode too, But truly,
Speaker 1: this is so funny because, like I wrote, he informs
Speaker 1: the gang that he wants to move some pieces around
Speaker 1: the board. He shakes things up by putting Munch and
Speaker 1: Finn back together and putting Rollins and Benson together with
Speaker 1: a Marrow playing swingman and sometimes going solo. And then
Speaker 1: Munch calls him Surproco, but he's talking about Curproco. I
Speaker 1: don't really get this reference because Surproco, when I looked
Speaker 1: him up, was a real life NYPD guy who was
Speaker 1: a whistleblower and he tried to like, you know, uncover
Speaker 1: NYPD corruption. And then al Pacino played him in a
Speaker 1: movie in the seventies and that's like that movie got
Speaker 1: huge and that's why people know who Curproco.
Speaker 3: Is good to remember for my game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he ended up getting shot and they think
Speaker 1: that fellow officers like led him into He survived the shooting, sorry,
Speaker 1: but he They think fellow officers like led him into
Speaker 1: this shooting because he was about to, you know, testify
Speaker 1: and get all these people fucked up.
Speaker 3: But I guess Sirpoko was one of the good guys.
Speaker 1: And I don't really get why we're calling Amarro that
Speaker 1: is he some kind of whistleblower, Like I don't I
Speaker 1: didn't see the movie, so I really don't know the reference.
Speaker 1: But Nick's like all good with me, and Olivia is
Speaker 1: like kind of making a weird face, and Olivia follows
Speaker 1: him and is like, hey, just FYI, I didn't ask
Speaker 1: for that switch, and he goes, I know you didn't.
Speaker 1: I did ooh, and she looked surprised, and he's like,
Speaker 1: you know, the thing about you live, you need to
Speaker 1: have a partner you can trust.
Speaker 3: And then he walks away.
Speaker 1: And this is related to like her kind of questioning
Speaker 1: his integrity about whether he was really trying to hook
Speaker 1: up with Carissa Gibson, the sex worker who ended up
Speaker 1: dead in Craigan's bed and there was just some mistrust
Speaker 1: happening in the previous episodes. So now we're in Harris's office.
Speaker 1: He's watching some right wing Fox News type show where
Speaker 1: some berther bitch is popping off about Obama and Munch
Speaker 1: comes in to be like night boss and asks, oh,
Speaker 1: are you an Adam Kane guy? And that's the guy
Speaker 1: on the talk show? And he's like, no, it's white noise,
Speaker 1: but it's like, no, I bet you do like this.
Speaker 1: And now we move to the set of the talk
Speaker 1: show and it's called Raising Caine, which, lol is the
Speaker 1: chicken that Iced Tea does represent, So a fun crossover there.
Speaker 1: And Adam Kane is played by a guy named Roger Bart,
Speaker 1: who was also in an SVU episode called Closure Part one,
Speaker 1: which is I believe are the Tracy Pollen episodes where
Speaker 1: she's a survivor and then like they'd come back to
Speaker 1: her like six years later.
Speaker 3: I think it's one of those.
Speaker 2: Dude, I did not know Iced Tea is a Cain's
Speaker 2: guy because my nephews love Kanes and now I can
Speaker 2: relate to them a little more.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Remember there was a time where he was working
Speaker 3: the drive through. People were just pulling up and like
Speaker 3: they were like, holy shit, get iced tea is at
Speaker 3: the drive through.
Speaker 2: I don't remember that, but I'm looking at the picture
Speaker 2: sure of him doing it right now.
Speaker 3: Yes, well, I think it's probably because I read all
Speaker 3: of our dms and we were getting DM.
Speaker 1: That a lot from people that were like, look at Icedy.
Speaker 1: So yeah, he is a chicken man. But this guy,
Speaker 1: Roger Bart, I thought you might be interested. He's one
Speaker 1: of these guys that you just know you've seen him
Speaker 1: in something, even if you don't know his name. And
Speaker 1: he is a Broadway baby, but he also has a
Speaker 1: shit ton of on screen credits. He wanted Tony for
Speaker 1: playing Snoopy and You're a Good Man Charlie Brown. He
Speaker 1: sings the song go the Distance from Hercules, which was
Speaker 1: nominated for an Oscar. And he was friends with Jonathan Larson,
Speaker 1: who wrote Rent and Roger from Rent is named after him,
Speaker 1: which I thought was a cool little piece of fun fact.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's also according to Wikipedia. I can't be sure,
Speaker 1: but I do think it's possible these two men were
Speaker 1: friends because they were both Broadway men for a long time.
Speaker 1: But this guy's like had recurring roles on Revenge on
Speaker 1: episodes which is one of my favorite shows. And he's
Speaker 1: been on tons of shit. So next up on his show,
Speaker 1: That's Happening. In the episode, he introduces an author who
Speaker 1: wrote a kinky little book called twenty five Acts, which
Speaker 1: is a woman's journey into the world of domination.
Speaker 2: I'm still floored. I cannot believe that man saying hercules.
Speaker 3: Can you believe it? I can't. I am distance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's not a face I attached to that song.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: Wow crazy, he's Actually it's because he's a good actor,
Speaker 2: because I hate him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Think he plays a lot of like kind of smarmy people,
Speaker 1: you know, like he plays a lot of kind of
Speaker 1: like I think in episodes he's like an agent.
Speaker 3: Or something like. I don't know. He He's not usually
Speaker 3: a likable dude, I get, but he was snoopy. But
Speaker 3: maybe he was wearing a snoopy. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I've never seen I've only ever seen You're a good Man,
Speaker 1: Charlie Brown at the Boys Camp that is the brother
Speaker 1: camp of my camp. So I've only ever seen it
Speaker 1: with like a twelve year old playing snoopy. But this
Speaker 1: guy is introducing this author who wrote essentially a fifty
Speaker 1: Shades of Gray book. He even mentions fifty Shades of Gray,
Speaker 1: which I don't think a lot of people know. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people do know, but I think
Speaker 1: don't know that Fifty Shades of Gray started as Twilight
Speaker 1: fan fiction.
Speaker 3: Did you know that? I did not. Yeah, like it
Speaker 3: was Twilight fan fiction.
Speaker 1: Were the main characters, and then she sort of developed
Speaker 1: it into this whole fifty Shades.
Speaker 3: I think it's a trilogy.
Speaker 1: I've never read a word of fifty Shades because I
Speaker 1: heard the writing was atrocious, and you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: feel the need. But the guy says, this book makes
Speaker 1: fifty Shades look like a Disney story. So they cut
Speaker 1: backstage and the author is Anna Chlumpsky, Anna Klumsky.
Speaker 2: Do you say Klumsky? I don't ever say it. I go,
Speaker 2: you know from V Yeah, my god, yeah that's what
Speaker 2: I said.
Speaker 1: Well, Anna Klumsky, who I wrote in my notes, made
Speaker 1: her way into my heart via My Girl and worked
Speaker 1: as a kid actor.
Speaker 3: That's a movie.
Speaker 1: I've never seen it. Oh my god, I know about
Speaker 1: the Beast, yes, but you have to watch My Girl.
Speaker 1: It's such a great movie. Dan Ackroyd, Jamie Lee Curtiz.
Speaker 3: It's so good. I love it so much. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I saw my Girl in the theater as like a child,
Speaker 1: and she worked actually for a long time as a
Speaker 1: kid actor.
Speaker 3: She's actually an uncle buck.
Speaker 1: I thought My Girl was her first thing, because you
Speaker 1: know what I remember about the poster of My Girl.
Speaker 1: Remember when they used to have posters that said and
Speaker 1: introducing I remember the mask posters all said and introducing
Speaker 1: Cameron Diaz, and these posters for My Girl used to
Speaker 1: all say and introducing Anna Klemski or whatever.
Speaker 3: So I remember thinking that was her first thing.
Speaker 1: But according to iem Tob she was an uncle buck,
Speaker 1: which is another amazing eighties classic. And she actually took
Speaker 1: a break for like six years from acting and went
Speaker 1: to University of Chicago.
Speaker 3: She's from Chicago.
Speaker 1: She went and got her degree, and she actually after
Speaker 1: she got her degree, she started getting other jobs, Like
Speaker 1: she got a job like fact checking for the Zagat Guide.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is again, this is quick Wikipedia looking
Speaker 1: up guys. I do more research for the crimes, but
Speaker 1: for random actors, I just check a couple sources. But
Speaker 1: like it says that she got an editorial assistant job
Speaker 1: for like a sci fi imprint or something, and then she.
Speaker 3: Was like, I think I'm gonna go back to acting.
Speaker 1: And then wildly comes back to acting and stars on
Speaker 1: probably one of the funniest on what I think is
Speaker 1: one of the funniest shows of the past of all time, Beep,
Speaker 1: and she is.
Speaker 2: Well, it's not just your opinion, it's scientific proven that
Speaker 2: there's more jokes per minute in that show than anything
Speaker 2: that's ever been read.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. It is the best show. And she's
Speaker 3: great in her role.
Speaker 1: Like I really, I think it took me a little
Speaker 1: minute to come around to like Amy as a character
Speaker 1: because she's supposed to be a little bit annoying, but
Speaker 1: she's so good in this part. And actually the year
Speaker 1: that Beep came out is the same year she did
Speaker 1: this episode. And I think also when she came back
Speaker 1: to acting, she came back to original recipe in two
Speaker 1: thousand and seven, so I think maybe she's like, I
Speaker 1: got a soft spot for the Law to Order universe,
Speaker 1: Like even though Veep's taking off, she's like, Oh, they
Speaker 1: want me to do an SBU, I'll do it. Look
Speaker 1: do I wish I could ask her this in person, Sure,
Speaker 1: but she did not want to do the podcast.
Speaker 2: So dude, it's a tough episode. I wouldn't want to know.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 3: Yeah it is.
Speaker 1: It's really really brutal. But she's very great. She's very
Speaker 1: good in it, I think. And she's done that Anna
Speaker 1: del v show. She's in shit all the time. She's
Speaker 1: now like fully well known and is a wonderful actor.
Speaker 1: So anyway, this guy goes, she's hot, rich, kinky, and
Speaker 1: I think I'm in love Joscelyn Paley and introduces her
Speaker 1: and she comes out. He goes, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I should kiss you or spank you, and she goes,
Speaker 1: why can't you do both? And it's like very yikes,
Speaker 1: and I just realized, Fuck, we are not even at
Speaker 1: the credits yet. Cut to Adam and Jocelyn now having
Speaker 1: a cozy ass like dinner and drinks after the show, flirting.
Speaker 1: She takes off her underwear under the table and then
Speaker 1: pushes them over to him and says, what's your fantasy?
Speaker 3: So boom.
Speaker 1: Now we're in what I thought was a hotel room
Speaker 1: with an amazing view, and they're having fun. They're making out,
Speaker 1: it's getting hot and heavy, and then he slaps her
Speaker 1: across the face and quotes her book where he goes
Speaker 1: act to I say when you can touch me, and
Speaker 1: she seems into it, okay, and then he tells her to.
Speaker 3: Get on the bed.
Speaker 1: Then he's like, get on all fours and then he
Speaker 1: takes off his belt and says you need to be
Speaker 1: punished and slaps her very hard with the belt, whips
Speaker 1: her with the belt, and she's like, okay, wait, I
Speaker 1: don't like this, and she tells him that it hurt
Speaker 1: and to stop, and before she can say anything else,
Speaker 1: he basically has her like yoked with the belt and
Speaker 1: is choking her and he's like, you don't get to
Speaker 1: tell me what to do. And thank god we're at
Speaker 1: the credits because this is very scary and violent. So
Speaker 1: now Tampa becked one. We are in the hospital. Benson
Speaker 1: and Rolins walk in are immediately greeted by Sarah Palermo,
Speaker 1: Jocelyn's book tour escort, who is the one who called
Speaker 1: nine one one. She's like, I found her at her
Speaker 1: hotel room. She was crying, she had blowne on her
Speaker 1: night gown, bruises marks on her neck. She says, nothing happened,
Speaker 1: but yesterday she was over the moon to be going
Speaker 1: on a date with this cane guy, and now today's
Speaker 1: she's not saying shit about him. So what does that
Speaker 1: sound like to you? So this woman basically should join
Speaker 1: the squad. She knows all the signs of something. Is
Speaker 1: a miss in the hospital room, Jocelyn's like, I wasn't raped.
Speaker 3: I told her not to call.
Speaker 1: She confirms that they went out to drinks and then
Speaker 1: they went back to Caine's place and they're like, you
Speaker 1: have a lot of bruises and like a horrible ligature
Speaker 1: mark on your neck, and she's like, yeah, he got handsy.
Speaker 1: And they're like, girl, that is from a belt. That's
Speaker 1: not like somebody giving you a ask tap during foreplay,
Speaker 1: Like this is from a belt. This is fucked, and
Speaker 1: she starts telling them, Okay, here's what happened. He choked me,
Speaker 1: so I couldn't really say no. Then he, you know,
Speaker 1: basically anally penetrated her and she was not used to
Speaker 1: that and did not enjoy that. And the music is intensifying,
Speaker 1: so it's like she's clearly describing a brutal assault.
Speaker 3: And she adds, but I was flirting with him all night.
Speaker 3: I told him I wanted to dominate me.
Speaker 1: I can't now call that an assault, And Benson suggests,
Speaker 1: why don't you get a rape kit? And Amanda's like
Speaker 1: goes straight for the scare tactic. Remember that this is early.
Speaker 1: Rollins still like this is only the beginning of her
Speaker 1: second season, and she's like, yeah, girl, don't forget you
Speaker 1: could have an STD want to get that rape kit? Like,
Speaker 1: so she immediately goes for like worst case scenarios, scaring
Speaker 1: the victim, and they sort of walk out. Benson's like,
Speaker 1: gentle reminder, girl, let's not scare the victims into getting
Speaker 1: rape kits. That's better to build trust, and Rollins is like,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter anyway. I've read her book and an
Speaker 1: act five, the main character is choked with a belt
Speaker 1: and sodomized and has eighteen orgasms. And Benson's like yeah, right,
Speaker 1: and it's a best seller, so it's complicated. So now
Speaker 1: we're in the squad room. They're all sitting around watching
Speaker 1: the interview that Jocelyn did with Kane on his show
Speaker 1: the night before. I can't tell if Kin is supposed
Speaker 1: to be kind of like, it's not like a it
Speaker 1: is seems like it is a political talk show, but
Speaker 1: then he also has it's like a daily a conservative
Speaker 1: daily show, like maybe like o'reiley, I guess I don't
Speaker 1: really watch any of that shit, so I don't know.
Speaker 1: And on this clip from the show, they are flirting.
Speaker 1: They're talking in a very cringey way, like with a
Speaker 1: lot of smm double entendre that's like honestly lame. And
Speaker 1: then the gang is all talking about it. They're like,
Speaker 1: Jocelyn's not pressing charges. She's worried about how this comes
Speaker 1: off in light of her book, and Munch is impressed
Speaker 1: that she could work in nipple clamps and Albinoni's adagio
Speaker 1: in one sentence, and Munch has read the book to
Speaker 1: his blind mother, Lol, don't worry like he just was like,
Speaker 1: my mom, they had at my mom's nursing home and
Speaker 1: she can't see very well, so I read it to
Speaker 1: her and I'm like, you just read about sodomizing and
Speaker 1: domination to your mom. But very much, Harris is like,
Speaker 1: why are we wasting our time on this if she's
Speaker 1: not pressing charges, you know in this way very surproco
Speaker 1: very McGrath is who we're talking about. By the way,
Speaker 1: when we say curproco Benson has to explain to this
Speaker 1: adults that, like SVU, victims sometimes need time to come around,
Speaker 1: like the like pressing charges to even confessing what happened
Speaker 1: to them.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like a whole process.
Speaker 1: Rollin says, there are also rumors about this guy that
Speaker 1: he's handsying forward with women, and Finn and Munch randomly
Speaker 1: race to defend this guy.
Speaker 3: They're like, now we've seen him at benefits. He's one
Speaker 3: of the good guys. Like he's at the benefits for
Speaker 3: the police widow. Like they haven't works, I know, like
Speaker 3: it's not season fourteen guys, like they like police widows
Speaker 3: battered women. He never says no to you know, charity,
Speaker 3: but then they're like, you mean he never hears no.
Speaker 1: So then Harris plays traffic cop. He sends Munch and
Speaker 1: Finn to go talk to this guy before he lawyers up,
Speaker 1: since they apparently are his number one fans, and then
Speaker 1: he sends Benson and Rollins to see if Jocelyn has
Speaker 1: had time to process like in, which he kind of
Speaker 1: does in air quotes because he's looking for charges to
Speaker 1: get pressed. And then tomorrow, why don't you go follow
Speaker 1: up about the rumors with Caanan? His interns So now
Speaker 1: Harris is walking with Benson and they're talking and he's like,
Speaker 1: you're bringing Rollins up to speed, and Benson goes, she's
Speaker 1: been here for a year and she has a degree
Speaker 1: in forensic science.
Speaker 3: Did we know this? No, we did not know that
Speaker 3: Rollins had a degree in forensic science.
Speaker 2: Like this is no, she really gives off criminal justice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like this is the only time that's been mentioned.
Speaker 1: Like this makes her random career change in the season
Speaker 1: twenty four make a little bit more sense that she's
Speaker 1: like a professor now, but it doesn't explain why she's
Speaker 1: also an IT expert. But you know, that's always what
Speaker 1: I feel like they've leaned in on more than her
Speaker 1: being a forensic science major, which, by the way, I
Speaker 1: took forensic chemistry in college because I thought it would
Speaker 1: be all true crime, and shit, it was hard as fuck.
Speaker 3: I think I got like a c It was hard. Anyway.
Speaker 1: This asshole is like, he's basically like, why don't you
Speaker 1: share your experience with her and not me? He didn't
Speaker 1: like how back in the school just now she tried
Speaker 1: to tell him, like what it's all about with sexual
Speaker 1: assault victims. So he's like, you can tell your little girlfriend,
Speaker 1: how things work at SVU. You don't have to tell me.
Speaker 1: So again, I don't like this guy, and thankfully this
Speaker 1: is his last episode spoiler alert, he's only in three.
Speaker 1: Munch and Finn show up to the set of Raising
Speaker 1: Kine and the guy's like, fellas, my buddies, you need
Speaker 1: more money for widows. What's happening and they're like, we
Speaker 1: need to talk about Jocelyn.
Speaker 3: He's playing dumb.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, it's a matter of something happened to Jos,
Speaker 1: Like he's being really, you know, mister nice guy, and
Speaker 1: they're trying to act like they've got his back. They're like,
Speaker 1: why don't you tell us your side, you know? And
Speaker 1: he's like, guys, you read her book. We acted out
Speaker 1: a few scenes. She wanted me to be in control,
Speaker 1: and he's like the belt was her idea and they're like,
Speaker 1: I thought you were in control and he's like everything
Speaker 1: was consensual. I don't want to kiss and tell, but
Speaker 1: she did give me her panties at the restaurant and
Speaker 1: they're like he's then suddenly he gets cagy and he's like,
Speaker 1: I don't have time for this, and neither do you, guys.
Speaker 3: I gotta go and then he just.
Speaker 1: Walks it walks off, and Munch is like, wow, no,
Speaker 1: charld charges f and I hate this case already. So
Speaker 1: now we are at Intimate Adventures, which is I guess
Speaker 1: an erotic bookstore where Jocelyn is doing another book signing
Speaker 1: and some lady is confessing to Jocelyn that this book
Speaker 1: gave her her orgasms back after her third kid, and
Speaker 1: Jocelyn's like, cool, cool, cool, next, and then Benson and
Speaker 1: Rollins roll up and she's like, I'm kind of busy,
Speaker 1: but then of course talks to them anyway, and they're like, girl,
Speaker 1: you had some pretty serious injuries. You should take it easy,
Speaker 1: and she's like, I have tiln ol and codyin so
Speaker 1: like I am right as rain. But she also is
Speaker 1: wearing a turtleneck to hide her egregious violent belt mark
Speaker 1: around her neck ligature mark. Excuse me, And Benson says
Speaker 1: it sounds like you're in shock, and she's like, I'm
Speaker 1: on a ten city book tour. Anthracite magazine is storing
Speaker 1: me a party tonight. I did have to google anthracite
Speaker 1: and it is black coal, So I don't know what
Speaker 1: kind of trendy magazine is naming itself like Coal Monthly,
Speaker 1: but that's a hot magazine and she's being honored. Rollins
Speaker 1: is back at her with the hard and is like,
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, girl, if you do decide to
Speaker 1: press charges down the line, this behavior is going to
Speaker 1: turn the jury against you. I know it sucks, but
Speaker 1: it's true. And she's like, I'm a big girl. Look,
Speaker 1: everyone's waiting, i gotta go. So now we're at the
Speaker 1: Anthracite party. It is outside, it looks big, it looks
Speaker 1: like it's on a rooftop, and it's a hot party.
Speaker 1: There's a huge, like humongous cover of her up in
Speaker 1: the background, and everyone's making awkward double entendre jokes about
Speaker 1: you know, whipping and you know the shit she writes about.
Speaker 1: And she looks a little bit more. She looks a
Speaker 1: little less comfortable with it than she did when she
Speaker 1: was on the talk show the night before. She's wearing
Speaker 1: an awkward scarf now to hide the belt marks on
Speaker 1: her neck.
Speaker 3: And then who.
Speaker 1: Should strike up a toast at that moment, But Adam
Speaker 1: Kane he's just suddenly there and he thanks her for
Speaker 1: unleashing the inner venus within every American woman and every
Speaker 1: American man is deeply grateful, and Venus I think is
Speaker 1: like the main character of this book. She starts to
Speaker 1: freak out now because she's face to face with the sky.
Speaker 1: She wasn't expecting it. She runs off. She gets to
Speaker 1: the elevator to leave. Twenty five people get off this
Speaker 1: elevator and then she's the only one getting on it,
Speaker 1: and he follows her onto the elevator. They're alone in
Speaker 1: the elevator and he's like, you talk to the cops,
Speaker 1: and he calls her a bitch, shoves her against the wall,
Speaker 1: then turns her around and assaults her again, saying you
Speaker 1: wanted it last night and you want this too. And
Speaker 1: it's very fucked up and hard to watch. And I'm
Speaker 1: just you know, acknowledging that here. It's like a very
Speaker 1: these are graphic sort of scenes and she is frozen
Speaker 1: like in this moment.
Speaker 3: So now top of bac too.
Speaker 1: Thank god, we get like graced with a commercial break here,
Speaker 1: unless you're watching on Hulu, in which case you just
Speaker 1: keep rolling along. Jocelyn shows up at Benson's apartment because
Speaker 1: you know, her door's always open, and she's apologizing to Olivia,
Speaker 1: but she's like, I just I couldn't handle a police
Speaker 1: station right now, she tells Benson how Adam Kin showed
Speaker 1: up at her party, he wasn't on the list, he
Speaker 1: made a toast, and then she's like, he was so
Speaker 1: angry at me that I went to the cops.
Speaker 3: Did you guys tell him that I went to you?
Speaker 1: And Benson goes, well, we did send detectives to talk
Speaker 1: to him, and she's like, so shood.
Speaker 3: He's like, why would you do that?
Speaker 1: This is all your fault, and then Benson like calms
Speaker 1: her down, brings her over to the couch and Jocelyn
Speaker 1: tells Benson basically that he did it again, describes the
Speaker 1: whole scene that we just saw and says, I froze,
Speaker 1: I didn't say anything, and then he said.
Speaker 3: If you screw with me, you'll be sorry.
Speaker 1: After he was done with the second assault on her,
Speaker 1: and Lives like, are you ready to press charges now?
Speaker 1: And now we cut to Rollin's watching the elevator footage
Speaker 1: and I'm like, this guy had to have known there
Speaker 1: are cameras in elevators and that, like, you don't really
Speaker 1: have that much time to assault someone before another person
Speaker 1: gets in there.
Speaker 3: It just seems like.
Speaker 1: A very ballsy move, and then right as I type that,
Speaker 1: Rollins goes says the same thing.
Speaker 3: She goes, this is brazen.
Speaker 1: He had to have known the cameras in the elevators,
Speaker 1: so they But then Amarro goes, yeah, but he also
Speaker 1: probably knows that it's Act nine of the book is
Speaker 1: Elevator Sex, and Tomorrow admits that he read the masterpiece
Speaker 1: the night before. So Munch says, it doesn't look like
Speaker 1: she likes it, and Finn goes, but it doesn't look
Speaker 1: like she's resisting either, and it's like, again season four teen, Finn,
Speaker 1: what is happening with you today? You're like, stop and frisk?
Speaker 1: Why didn't you say no? And push him off? Like
Speaker 1: it's this guy loves widows. It's a kind of a
Speaker 1: wildfin episode. But you know, maybe the raising Kne's chicken
Speaker 1: of it all will wash it away. But Rollins goes,
Speaker 1: that's called tonic immobility, Finn, and like you should know
Speaker 1: that by this stage of the game, and Benson's explaining.
Speaker 1: She's like there's a third response to fight or flight,
Speaker 1: and that's freeze, and Fenn's like, good luck, sell him
Speaker 1: that to a jury, and Benson's like, well, I think
Speaker 1: we're ready to take this to the Ada. But which
Speaker 1: one they all lawyered up after Delia named every single
Speaker 1: one of them in her you know, explosive tell all situation.
Speaker 1: So this guy Harris finally gives us the only thing
Speaker 1: he's good for, which is introducing us to Raphael Barba.
Speaker 1: He goes, I know this guy, Barbara, and Rollins and
Speaker 1: Benson are like, oh, yeah, we know him from that
Speaker 1: case where he prosecuted two John's for assaulting a sex worker.
Speaker 3: That was a tough case, and.
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, he's a Brooklyn DA but he's just
Speaker 1: requested a like a lateral move to Manhattan, and he's
Speaker 1: got big brass. And then he kind of makes eye
Speaker 1: contact with Benson and says ego instead of balls, and
Speaker 1: he thinks that this kind of high profile case is
Speaker 1: just the kind of thing that gets Barbara horney. So
Speaker 1: now we're in arraignment and Barba is like wiping the
Speaker 1: floor with some criminal and his lawyer. And then he
Speaker 1: saunters over to Harris to meet Benson and Rollins and goes,
Speaker 1: take your daughter's to work day, And I was like,
Speaker 1: that's hillious. The first thing that he says to Olivia
Speaker 1: Benson and Rollins is, oh, is it take your daughter
Speaker 1: to work day? Like Benson's the same age as the
Speaker 1: Captain Harris basically, so it's funny.
Speaker 2: Well, also with Barbara, the most popular like gift and
Speaker 2: photo of his face is from this episode Oh really yeah,
Speaker 2: where he's like look like determined but sneaky like he
Speaker 2: does like this.
Speaker 3: This is the episode.
Speaker 1: And there's also a scene coming up that's a very iconic,
Speaker 1: you know, Barba seeing that people have asked for us
Speaker 1: to cover.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, god.
Speaker 1: So Rollins and Benson shake hands with Barbara, and he's
Speaker 1: like being very charming. But our girls are skeptical, you know,
Speaker 1: they like never trust a man right away. So they're
Speaker 1: updating him on the details, and he's like is she credible?
Speaker 1: And they're like, well, she's concerned about the optics, but
Speaker 1: she was assaulted two times. And Barbera's like, I didn't
Speaker 1: ask if she was assaulted. I asked her she was credible,
Speaker 1: Like his signature like cutting straight to the point. Then
Speaker 1: he launches into a story from RedHook. He said, two
Speaker 1: months ago, there was a woman who was strangled so
Speaker 1: badly that she had particual hemorrhaging in her eyes, and
Speaker 1: the purp claimed that she was into SMM, which was
Speaker 1: a lie, but the jury deadlocked because half of them
Speaker 1: had read this damn book. So it's like the way
Speaker 1: Fifty Shades of Gray was like taking over the nation
Speaker 1: in like around this time, like twenty twelve, and everybody
Speaker 1: was fucking reading it. I mean, the entire book Club
Speaker 1: movie series is started with Fifty Shades of Gray. And
Speaker 1: Benson's like, okay, well, what's your point, Like I thought
Speaker 1: you were the dude that took on the hard cases
Speaker 1: and won them. And he's like, let me talk to Joscelyn.
Speaker 1: So now he's laying it all out for Joscelyn. He's like,
Speaker 1: I need to know everything about you because if you
Speaker 1: leave out one thing, that's the thing that his side
Speaker 1: will use to blow up our entire case.
Speaker 3: You might not like me when this is over.
Speaker 1: And she's like, I don't like you now, and he's like,
Speaker 1: love your honesty, bitch, let's talk. So he starts hitting
Speaker 1: her with questions about her personal life, going all the
Speaker 1: way back to college. I can't tell how old this
Speaker 1: girl's supposed to because the timeline gets very weird here.
Speaker 1: Now Barba's meeting with the boys, and it's munch fin
Speaker 1: and tomorrow and Tomorrow's like I did some digging, and
Speaker 1: it turns out that he prays on young girls who
Speaker 1: are new to the city, but Jocelyn would be the
Speaker 1: first round to press charges. Like no one has actually
Speaker 1: come forward, it's just kind of rumor millshit.
Speaker 3: And then uh oh, Rollins pops in to let them
Speaker 3: know that Kine has just leaked his monologue for that
Speaker 3: night's show and it's all over the internet, So he's
Speaker 3: basically preempting the media spirestorm that's going to come from
Speaker 3: him getting charged with rape. He's letting everyone know that
Speaker 3: he is a victim who's about to be thrown into
Speaker 3: the ring of fire.
Speaker 1: Of the millions of men who are accused of sexual
Speaker 1: assault and are perfectly innocent that we see every year,
Speaker 1: it's an epidemic. And that's heavy sarcasm, in case anyone's
Speaker 1: not picking up. We see Jocelyn watching this whole monologue
Speaker 1: on an iPad in a coffee shop.
Speaker 3: She looks stressed.
Speaker 1: Kate admits that he did have sex with Jocelyn on
Speaker 1: this monologue, but he does not, you know, admit to
Speaker 1: it being obviously an assault and the gang is like,
Speaker 1: pretty smart of him to get out in front of it,
Speaker 1: right out of Letterman's playbook, And Munch is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but Letterman didn't rape anyone.
Speaker 3: And we're gonna get more on that later. Yeah. I
Speaker 3: was fucked up that he said her name.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well it's a full like it's a it's witnessed
Speaker 1: intimidation and like it's it's fuck ducked.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And who led him into that party? I know?
Speaker 1: Well, he reminds me of like a Bill Maher kind
Speaker 1: of guy. And Bill Maher, you know, just dropped his
Speaker 1: agency because they didn't invite him to an Oscar party.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm I mean, I guess I'd be pissed
Speaker 2: if I was a client for over thirty years and
Speaker 2: I probably make them a you know, some money. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but he is a smarmy guy, right, Yeah, maybe it's
Speaker 2: Bill Maher because he has this other story where on
Speaker 2: his rider he says he needs like a limo and
Speaker 2: he went to perform at a college and they didn't
Speaker 2: have a limo and he said, I'm not going and
Speaker 2: he didn't do the show. Jesus, he he goes it
Speaker 2: just shows respec like this is the thing I asked
Speaker 2: for so fucking do it, which I get because I
Speaker 2: showed up to my show and there were no diet
Speaker 2: coke cans, and that is what I asked.
Speaker 3: Diet cokes are your limo, and they're a little bit easier.
Speaker 1: I'd say, that's a little bit more of a reachable,
Speaker 1: attainable goal and if somebody won, but.
Speaker 3: I have that, but you know what that I'm thinking
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 2: I recently just did a college and I arrived and
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, I'm here, where's the car? Like,
Speaker 2: where are you? And the students went, We're on our way.
Speaker 2: We'll be there in forty five minutes. And I said,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna grab an uber and she responded, no, don't
Speaker 2: do that. We're already on our way. And I said,
Speaker 2: I'm not waiting forty five minutes. You should have planned better.
Speaker 2: Was there a confusion with my flight time?
Speaker 3: H huh?
Speaker 2: And she went we were in class and I said, well,
Speaker 2: you can turn right back around. I am taking an uber.
Speaker 2: That is for I'm not waiting forty five minutes for you.
Speaker 2: It's like insanity. But then in my head I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess that's twenty one. Indeed, I didn't mind. I
Speaker 2: didn't mind waiting forty five minutes for a free ride,
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 3: But like they're probably like, she's gonna be so excited
Speaker 3: we're picking her up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. So Barba basically is like Cane forced our hand.
Speaker 1: We have to strike back. So Munch and Fins show
Speaker 1: up at a restaurant to bring him in, and Munch
Speaker 1: calls him Citizen Kane and he's like, come on, guys,
Speaker 1: I can come in tomorrow with my lawyer.
Speaker 3: We don't have to do this here.
Speaker 1: And they're like, if you want a privacy, you shouldn't
Speaker 1: have popped off on the internet, bitch, and they purp
Speaker 1: walk him out of the restaurant. Paparazzi bulbs all a flashing,
Speaker 1: and he starts blaming the NYPD for the quote unquote
Speaker 1: Hooker scandal and says the NYPD is just trying to
Speaker 1: distract from their big scandal. And he says, the court
Speaker 1: of public opinion, baby, that's my wheelhouse, and Thin goes
Speaker 1: taking down rapists, that's ours.
Speaker 3: Banging on a.
Speaker 1: Good one, A good one, A great way to end
Speaker 1: the midpoint of the show. So now top of Act
Speaker 1: three were in court and not only is this the
Speaker 1: episode that blesses us with the first appearance of Raphael Barba,
Speaker 1: it also is the first appearance of the legendary Rita
Speaker 1: Calhoun played by Elizabeth Marvel, who we've all seen in
Speaker 1: a million different things, and Homeland is one that I
Speaker 1: love her in. She in House of Cards, she's just
Speaker 1: in everything, and she is of course defending this asshole.
Speaker 1: She defends a lot of assholes, even though she is
Speaker 1: kind of an icon. And Barba asks for remand as
Speaker 1: this man has means to flee. He's very rich and
Speaker 1: he's Canadian, and Calhoun's like, well, he has stated publicly
Speaker 1: he wants to go to trial and fight these accusations.
Speaker 1: And Barba's like, yeah, that was a televised attack on
Speaker 1: the victim. And Calhoun argues that the state is trying
Speaker 1: to silence public outrage. And the judge is like, whatever,
Speaker 1: I'm granting remand I don't want to get involved with
Speaker 1: you too. Save it for trial. And the little shit
Speaker 1: guy at Caine, he looks shocked. He's like he never
Speaker 1: thought that. He's like, what am I paying this high
Speaker 1: power bitch for that? She's not getting me bail at least,
Speaker 1: but sorry, Barba's in town now, So Calhoun and Barba
Speaker 1: walk out of court together, fighting about free speech, and
Speaker 1: Barba's like, don't make me put a gag order on
Speaker 1: this whole thing, and Calhoun's like, well, I heard your
Speaker 1: witness likes those two. There's so much dorky double entendre
Speaker 1: about at BDSM in this episode. It's kind of I'm
Speaker 1: sure at the time it was very edgy, but it's
Speaker 1: very irolling.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: She's going to move to have the book admitted, he says,
Speaker 1: which will eliminate rape shield laws, which are the rape
Speaker 1: field laws are meant to limit victim's sexual history as
Speaker 1: evidence in sexual assault trials, but if the book gets admitted,
Speaker 1: then those won't apply, and Thenson says yeah, and they're
Speaker 1: going to find out whatever lover inspired this book, who's
Speaker 1: going to testify that she likes it from behind?
Speaker 3: And then game over.
Speaker 1: It really is so fucked up how you just have
Speaker 1: to be a perfect victim, Like you can be assaulted
Speaker 1: and then like somebody can just bring in an ex
Speaker 1: boyfriend that's like, yeah, one time we did a fucked
Speaker 1: up sex move and it's like, well you wanted it then,
Speaker 1: Like it's just really wild. How you have to be
Speaker 1: squeaky clean perfect to get any justice, it feels like,
Speaker 1: and Harris said, well, why don't we find this guy first?
Speaker 1: So Rollin says, well, Jocen went to Silver Spring College
Speaker 1: in Maryland. We can drive down there tomorrow morning, and
Speaker 1: Barbo goes try tonight. I'm like, also, is her boyfriend
Speaker 1: at the college? I don't understand. She looks thirty to me,
Speaker 1: so I don't really understand why we're going straight back
Speaker 1: to her college, Like that's where all the information is, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't the writing did not make that like clear.
Speaker 3: And it's like, why.
Speaker 1: Don't you just ask her who her ex boyfriend is
Speaker 1: before you hit the road for Soft Shell Crab down
Speaker 1: in Maryland.
Speaker 3: But they're on their way.
Speaker 1: So now Finn and Muncher and Maryland chatting with some
Speaker 1: dorky soccer coach who explains that he and Joson were
Speaker 1: together for four years.
Speaker 3: He thought they were going to get married.
Speaker 1: She broke up with him because she had so much
Speaker 1: going on with the book, but she never really told
Speaker 1: him what the book was about, and he only found
Speaker 1: out about the content of the book.
Speaker 3: From looking at his mother's copy of it. And he's like, yeah.
Speaker 1: It was kind of weird because everyone started asking me
Speaker 1: like personal questions about my sex life when the book
Speaker 1: came out, and like they were like, oh, yeah, they
Speaker 1: asked you about, you know, rough stuff and domming and
Speaker 1: he's like yeah, and the thing is, we didn't do
Speaker 1: any of that. He's like, we mixed it up. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I was on top, sometimes she was. And it's pretty funny.
Speaker 1: This guy did not mix it up. And he says
Speaker 1: Jocelyn told him that he was her first and that
Speaker 1: he knows she was his first. So again feels like
Speaker 1: this could have been a phone call to this man.
Speaker 1: I don't know why we had to go all the
Speaker 1: way down to Maryland, but there we are. Then they
Speaker 1: talked to another roommate and they're now on a college campus,
Speaker 1: So I'm like, so is her college roommate still there?
Speaker 1: It's super confusing and like yeah, so I was like,
Speaker 1: she looks thirty, so college has been done for eight years.
Speaker 1: I don't really get why they're back there anyway. No
Speaker 1: one knows anything about her BDSM life if she has one.
Speaker 1: Amaro thinks that she maybe is making this sexy shit up,
Speaker 1: like because she makes references to like Gilligan's Island and
Speaker 1: stuff like she doesn't really have modern cultural references in
Speaker 1: the book, and he thinks maybe she researched all this,
Speaker 1: and Thin's like, nah, she's got a double life. These
Speaker 1: kind of kings don't just from nowhere. Finn again batting zero.
Speaker 1: In this episode, Okay, now, Benson and Rawlins are talking
Speaker 1: to a redhead named Katie and she's like, yeah, so
Speaker 1: what Caine recommended me for a job?
Speaker 3: Like what's what of it?
Speaker 1: And they're like, it's just kind of weird that you
Speaker 1: went from being his intern to the producer of a
Speaker 1: food show in two months? And did you know that
Speaker 1: he was only allowed to have male interns after you left?
Speaker 1: And she's stonewalling, but like, you know, you can tell
Speaker 1: she knows exactly what they're getting at. And they're like, babe,
Speaker 1: remember how you had to come to work with a
Speaker 1: broken wrist and bruises on your neck. And she does
Speaker 1: have a very good fishtail braid going on in her hair,
Speaker 1: and I just want to point it out. You know,
Speaker 1: we care more about we care about other people's hair
Speaker 1: than just Benson's on this program. And she knows that
Speaker 1: they know what's up, so she kind of like sighs,
Speaker 1: and they're like, you know, keeping all the feelings about
Speaker 1: this locked up is only going to make it worse.
Speaker 1: And she's like, I admit I did go home with
Speaker 1: him and I wanted to fuck until he started to
Speaker 1: hurt me. And she insists I've moved on, and Benson's
Speaker 1: and Benson says, by keeping quiet, you're giving him power
Speaker 1: over you, and she's like, whatever, at least I didn't
Speaker 1: get a monologue about me on TV like what he
Speaker 1: did to Jocelyn. She's like, I don't need that shit.
Speaker 1: And she then says, you know, he's not a bad guy.
Speaker 1: It's just when he gets that belt in his hand,
Speaker 1: he loses it. And I'm like, so a bad guy, okay,
Speaker 1: got it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, belt shit, Yeah, alter your moral yeah.
Speaker 1: Like honestly the sweetest guy until he gets a belt
Speaker 1: in his hand and then he's fucking doctor Juckyl. So
Speaker 1: is that the bad one or mister Hyde. I don't remember,
Speaker 1: actually do Maybe doctor Jeckell's the good one.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm sure you'll tell me. Back to
Speaker 3: the college where all the clues are.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow is now chatting up Jocelyn's advisor, A professor, and
Speaker 1: she doesn't know how Jocelyn could have gone into BDSM.
Speaker 1: She said, there's not really any older professors having affairs
Speaker 1: with younger kids these days, which seems like a weird
Speaker 1: thing to dig for granted, And then on his way out,
Speaker 1: basically she's no help. And so on his way out
Speaker 1: he notes her harpsichord and she's like, oh yeah, they
Speaker 1: say it was.
Speaker 3: Owned by Albanoni.
Speaker 1: And Amaro's like, yeah, yeah, what's his most stream song
Speaker 1: on Spotify? My wife loves it, and she goes his adagio,
Speaker 1: it's his most beautiful work. And get this, he didn't
Speaker 1: even write it. His biographer composed it two hundred years later.
Speaker 1: And Tomorrow's like, no kidding. And I can't tell if
Speaker 1: he's even picking up on clues or not, because he
Speaker 1: kind of has like a dumb guy face a lot
Speaker 1: of the time. But back at the squad room, they're
Speaker 1: gathered around the bulletin board and it looks like Jocelyn's
Speaker 1: sexual past is pretty squeaky clean. There's three interns of Canes,
Speaker 1: but none of them will testify, including Katie, and they're like,
Speaker 1: and he broke her wrists, so she won't testify.
Speaker 3: We're not getting any of them.
Speaker 1: It looks dark as hell in the squadroom, like I'm
Speaker 1: assuming it's night. But then they get a call from
Speaker 1: Tomorrow and he's like in Maryland in broad daylight, with
Speaker 1: like a college clock tower behind him. It's very jarring,
Speaker 1: and he goes, I think we might be asking the
Speaker 1: wrong questions. I need another day, and Barba's like, Nope,
Speaker 1: going to the grand jury now, and like hangs up.
Speaker 1: So at grand jury, Jocelyn explains everything that happened the
Speaker 1: night of her attack, and then we cut to Barbara
Speaker 1: on the steps of the courthouse talking to the press saying,
Speaker 1: you know, the grand jury indictment is the first step
Speaker 1: in getting justice. So they got the indictment, which is
Speaker 1: a good first step. Calhoun starts baiting him from she
Speaker 1: comes up behind him at the press conference and is
Speaker 1: repeating the claim that the DA is trying to distract
Speaker 1: from the big Delia Ganzell scandal where like a million
Speaker 1: judges and lawyers were all involved. Barba snaps back, I
Speaker 1: don't care if you're a John in the South Bronx
Speaker 1: or a three million dollar a year talk show host.
Speaker 1: No means no, and Calhoun's like compare it to the book,
Speaker 1: and the whole case falls apart like a house of cards.
Speaker 1: So Amorrow's still in college. He pops in to visit
Speaker 1: that harpsichord professor again and he says, you know, I
Speaker 1: spent the whole night reading your work and you're very prolific.
Speaker 1: And he finds some passage about an orgasm Saint Teresa
Speaker 1: something like that, and he compares it to a passage
Speaker 1: from Joscelyn's book, and he's like, this sounds the same,
Speaker 1: and she kind of has a look like, oh, I
Speaker 1: didn't really realize she was paying so much attention to
Speaker 1: my class. And then he's like, Lady's she's making a
Speaker 1: shits on a money, Like you have a case for
Speaker 1: plagiarism if she's taking your work, you know, And she's like,
Speaker 1: fuck no, I don't want to be associated with that smut.
Speaker 1: And Amara's like, also, I checked on your harpsichord. Someone
Speaker 1: bought it at Sutheby's for two hundred and eighty five
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. And she stops at her tracks because college
Speaker 1: professors are not dropping almost three hundred k at Sutheby's
Speaker 1: on harpsichords that belong to Albanoni. So now Barbara Benson
Speaker 1: and Rollins are talking to Jocelyn, like, girl, give it up.
Speaker 1: Who got you into all this kinky shit? Your ex
Speaker 1: is a nerd? And she's like, it wasn't him. It
Speaker 1: was a guy I met on my semester abroad. His
Speaker 1: name was George George Glass. Like it's very It's like, sure,
Speaker 1: jan vibes are everywhere, and Jocelyn does not have a
Speaker 1: good cover story and it's like, wouldn't you make something
Speaker 1: up before you went on a ten city book tour,
Speaker 1: like make up a boyfriend or like something, and be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: the first I first got into this kind of shit
Speaker 1: at this time, and I used to go to this
Speaker 1: sex club or whatever, like just have some details prepared.
Speaker 1: You are a writer if you're trying to pull off
Speaker 1: some kind of con And they ask her all these
Speaker 1: questions and she's like, what is this twenty questions and
Speaker 1: Benson goes, Nope, just one who wrote the book. I
Speaker 1: remember when I watched this episode the first time. This
Speaker 1: was a twist for me. I was like, fuck, she
Speaker 1: didn't write it. And then Jocelyn looks immediately like fuck,
Speaker 1: I've got God. And now she's like, how did you
Speaker 1: find out? And Barba's like I told you on the
Speaker 1: first day that the one thing you hide is what
Speaker 1: is going to destroy this case? What were you thinking?
Speaker 1: And lives like back off, Barbara, and she's like, please
Speaker 1: don't tell anyone. It's going to ruin my career, my life.
Speaker 1: Please please please, She's begging. So now at the top
Speaker 1: of the final act, she's explaining that it was horny
Speaker 1: Professor Dobson's idea to put her name on the book.
Speaker 3: She's like, she's an academic.
Speaker 2: She just sucks, like her life is fully falling apart
Speaker 2: on top of two rapes, and it's like, why don't
Speaker 2: you go to the cops. It's like, I guess we
Speaker 2: should just show this episode to everyone that says it.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, because they did dig and they
Speaker 1: found out stuff, and no one is perfect. So none
Speaker 1: of this really like matters in terms of getting assaulted,
Speaker 1: But you know.
Speaker 2: I think it does help Barbara to examine though. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel like this really helps him on the stand
Speaker 2: bring down this motherfucker.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he figures out a way around it. Because it's
Speaker 3: a TV show.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I feel like in real life it would have
Speaker 1: been like okay, taste, like no one's gonna believe you,
Speaker 1: but he's a wonder. He's a you know, a magic lawyer.
Speaker 2: I also hate that they put all lies in one category, yeah,
Speaker 2: where it's like, well, you actually didn't graduate school, so
Speaker 2: you're a liar all the time, you know, Like right,
Speaker 2: people lie, everyone lies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one time you lied about your age to get
Speaker 1: into a bar, so clearly you're lying about your assault,
Speaker 1: like it's wild. We find out Professor Jobson is an academic,
Speaker 1: was worried about her reputation. Basically what she told Tomorrow,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be associated with that, you know, smut,
Speaker 1: And Jocelyn admits I own ninety thousand dollars in college debt.
Speaker 1: The year before this book came out, I made twenty
Speaker 1: six hundred dollars writing like it is a tough fucking business.
Speaker 1: She says, the professor gives her ten percent. I'd expect more.
Speaker 1: She's out there on the book tour, but if it's
Speaker 1: making millions, then she's making a good a pretty penny.
Speaker 1: But she said it's also helped her make connections. You know,
Speaker 1: it was worth it for her to just do this,
Speaker 1: and then you know, maybe her real writing will get
Speaker 1: some attention. And she's like, if I ever say that
Speaker 1: I didn't write the book, I lose all the money
Speaker 1: and I want to drop the charges. I just cannot
Speaker 1: get out. And Barbara's like, it's gonna come out when
Speaker 1: I indict you for lying to a grand jury, and
Speaker 1: if you don't testify, you're looking at perjury. And Jocelyn
Speaker 1: freaks out and runs out of the office and Rollins
Speaker 1: is like, couldn't this help us, Like you were worried
Speaker 1: about the book damaging her, but she didn't write the book,
Speaker 1: so and Barba's like, no, the jury's just going to
Speaker 1: see her as a liar. So back in court, Jocelyn
Speaker 1: is admitting to not having written the book, and she's
Speaker 1: explaining that she agreed to say she wrote the book
Speaker 1: because of college debt. Her parents are working class, she
Speaker 1: needed the money. She admits she's not into domination and
Speaker 1: that she was just playing a role, and which, by
Speaker 1: the way.
Speaker 3: I know plenty of fucking people who do that. I
Speaker 3: know plenty of comedians.
Speaker 1: Who talk about sex constantly and make it their brand
Speaker 1: when I know for a fact they are prude as
Speaker 1: hell and not super sexual. People do it all the
Speaker 1: time people come up with, you know, characters and brands
Speaker 1: for themselves. So she says that she was into having
Speaker 1: sex with Caine that night and that it was fun
Speaker 1: until he started hurting her, which is like literally the
Speaker 1: same exact words that girl Katie said. And then she
Speaker 1: testifies to how the attack transpired. We've seen all this,
Speaker 1: and how the next night he did it again in
Speaker 1: the elevator, and Barba asks her to explain the consequences
Speaker 1: you have you face for testifying, and she's like, well,
Speaker 1: I have to return all the royalties. My reputation is ruined,
Speaker 1: and I've just wanted to be a writer my whole life.
Speaker 1: And that's like the thing that I do think if
Speaker 1: I was on a jury, I would be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: what does she have to gain from coming forward? Like
Speaker 1: she was making millions of like hundreds of thousands of
Speaker 1: dollars keeping this secret, if she was making up a
Speaker 1: rape charge, what would be to gain? It really does,
Speaker 1: and like people are always like, she's doing this for Clout,
Speaker 1: and it's like even when there's you know, campus rapes
Speaker 1: against athletes or anything like.
Speaker 3: That, it's like, nobody is doing this for Clout.
Speaker 2: It's insanity well, the easy way to prove that is
Speaker 2: to be like, Okay, tell me the victims' names. Tell
Speaker 2: me who accused Bill Cosby? Right, tell me they did
Speaker 2: it for attention and fame? So tell me yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: so true, so true. Tell me who all these women
Speaker 2: are that have come forward? Who is the person that
Speaker 2: accused Kobe Bryant?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And where's their their MTV cribs? Where's the where they
Speaker 1: used all the money and fame that they got. I
Speaker 1: want to see their gorgeous house that they live in
Speaker 1: and their successful lives, a free of trauma.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's like you can't think of one
Speaker 2: person crazy.
Speaker 3: You're right, that's so true. Say the name. So uh oh,
Speaker 3: it's Rita's turn. This is not going to be pretty.
Speaker 1: She's pointing out how many times Jocelyn is lied about
Speaker 1: writing this book, like you've been lying for months, You've
Speaker 1: been going on book tours, interviews every single time.
Speaker 3: You're lying about right now this book.
Speaker 1: And then she plays the clip from the interview on
Speaker 1: Raising Kine where Jocelyn says, you know, women do it
Speaker 1: all these days, and sometimes they just want men to
Speaker 1: throw them down and take control. So you know the
Speaker 1: fact that that is said on an interview the night
Speaker 1: of the assault.
Speaker 3: Is you know, damning. I guess to a jury.
Speaker 1: She goes at Jocelyn pretty hard about lying about sex
Speaker 1: for money, But the argument is pretty empty, like I said,
Speaker 1: when you consider she could have stayed quiet and kept
Speaker 1: making tons of money, but she spoke out and lost everything. Anyway,
Speaker 1: when Calhoun is done, it does not look good for Jocelyn.
Speaker 1: Now we've got Professor Dobson on the stand and she
Speaker 1: admits to writing the book, And I'm like, what's funny
Speaker 1: is that fifty Shades is honestly supposed.
Speaker 3: To be super bad writing.
Speaker 1: Like everyone I've heard is said, it's absolutely horrible writing.
Speaker 1: And it's funny that it's like this very erudite, like
Speaker 1: educated academic is like putting in references to Albaloni and
Speaker 1: stuff like.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's how fifty Shades really looks.
Speaker 1: But I wonder how a good writer would write a
Speaker 1: series of erotic fiction. If you have any recommendations for
Speaker 1: a series of erotic fiction that is actually well written,
Speaker 1: let me know.
Speaker 3: My friend Jackie.
Speaker 1: Does a stream called Akatar where they talk about I
Speaker 1: think it's called a cord of thorns and roses.
Speaker 3: I might be getting the C word wrong, but it's smut.
Speaker 1: It's like erotic stuff, and they love talking about it
Speaker 1: and they get a ton of people are into it.
Speaker 3: It's a huge thing.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if they would say She always
Speaker 1: tells me the world building is amazing, but I don't
Speaker 1: know if she would say that the writing is awesome.
Speaker 1: So if you have any RECs, please message me. I'd
Speaker 1: love to read some horny literature that's actually good.
Speaker 2: I know when we were fresh to America, my mom
Speaker 2: read Danielle Steele. Yeah, yeah, daniel Steel is huge. The
Speaker 2: font of her name on those books iconic.
Speaker 1: I can see it in my mind right now, right
Speaker 1: as you said that, I was like Danielle and I
Speaker 1: used to like have bookstores, Like I feel like my
Speaker 1: dad would always take me to bookstores and just look
Speaker 1: for an hour, and I would usually just read Sweet
Speaker 1: Valley High books, but sometimes I'd go over to the
Speaker 1: and like just look at the like horny covers and
Speaker 1: be like, what's this? You know, but it always felt
Speaker 1: like it was really forbidden. But anyway, the professor admits
Speaker 1: to being a very horny woman and that all the
Speaker 1: fantasies in the book are hers, and she knew that
Speaker 1: talk show hosts would not want to talk about BDS.
Speaker 1: I'm with a middle aged college professor with a John
Speaker 1: and Kate plus eight haircut, so she it was her
Speaker 1: idea to ask Jocelyn to pose as the writer, and
Speaker 1: Jocelyn was shocked when she read the draft, So she
Speaker 1: knew that Jocelyn wasn't into this kind of shit, and
Speaker 1: she thought that the juxtaposition of Jocelyn's like wide eyed
Speaker 1: innocence and these raunchy fantasies would be compelling to people.
Speaker 3: And she's quite a good actor. She's on these shows
Speaker 3: meaning Jocelyn, not even meaning Anna Klemsky, like, she's on
Speaker 3: these shows being like I don't know, time me up,
Speaker 3: timey down, like you know, all this like double entendre.
Speaker 3: And she's really not into any of that shit at all.
Speaker 3: So she's doing a good job.
Speaker 1: And she's the woman says, well, I'm a laughing stock
Speaker 1: in my field now, and it's like, whatever, bitch, laugh
Speaker 1: all the way to the bank. Like you don't have
Speaker 1: to ever teach a class to board college students ever again.
Speaker 3: You can literally live out your.
Speaker 1: Fantasies you can buy a piece of Albanoni's ashes if
Speaker 1: you want. You have so much money from writing these books.
Speaker 1: But she says she's testifying because she's sickened by this
Speaker 1: guy using her words as a smokescreen for assault. And
Speaker 1: now it's Calhoun's turn and she goes, but everyone thought
Speaker 1: that Jocelyn was the writer, right, and that these were
Speaker 1: Jocelyn's fantasies. And she's like yeah, and she's like, so
Speaker 1: maybe you just chose her because she's a great liar,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, so, now Rita is questioning Kine
Speaker 1: on the stand and he's saying, I don't need to rape.
Speaker 1: I do fine with volunteers. And it's like we've talked
Speaker 1: about this million times on our podcast. That's like not
Speaker 1: really the issue, Like when someone's a rapist, it's not like,
Speaker 1: oh I'm so ugly, I can't get it unless I
Speaker 1: force people.
Speaker 3: Like it's it's completely about.
Speaker 1: Power and like liking that someone is scared and that
Speaker 1: you're controlling someone and like hurting them, you know, Like
Speaker 1: we always talk about Louis c k like he wanted
Speaker 1: to just jerk off in front of women. He could
Speaker 1: have hired sex workers instead. He wanted to make these
Speaker 1: other female comedians feel weird and awkward, like that was
Speaker 1: part of it for him.
Speaker 2: So yeah, all of the like defense stuff and all
Speaker 2: the excuses, they're just so retro.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like they're so old timing. They've been debuned, they're done. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just because you have fantasies and dress like doesn't
Speaker 2: mean you want to be rape Like. I just the
Speaker 2: mental gymnastics these fucking rape apologists to do.
Speaker 3: It's insane. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So he's saying, yeah, I get ladies because I have
Speaker 1: a hit show, but I'm also kind of okay to
Speaker 1: hang out with. I'm told he's really smarmy and shitty
Speaker 1: and he's doing a great job this actor. Because I
Speaker 1: do hate him and want to kill him. He always
Speaker 1: follows his partner's lead. He says, if they want dominance,
Speaker 1: he does that.
Speaker 3: He says Jocelyn wanted a mutually satisfactory rough sex game
Speaker 3: that she initiated, and then Barbara goes to cross examine,
Speaker 3: but it's late, so the judge is like, cool, at Barba,
Speaker 3: you'll talk tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Barba's like begging for it. He's like, can I just
Speaker 1: do thirty minutes? Can I just run at this guy
Speaker 1: for thirty minutes and then pick up in the and
Speaker 1: she's like, I have to go. So in Barbara's office,
Speaker 1: he thinks that the professor's testimony kind of canceled out Jocelyn's.
Speaker 3: He's calling it a draw.
Speaker 1: So they're sort of not in a good place or
Speaker 1: a bad place, but it's not, you know, looking great
Speaker 1: for a win. So now it's Benson, Rolins, Munch, and
Speaker 1: Fin and the latter two do not have any good news.
Speaker 1: They're like, we can't find any of the other victims,
Speaker 1: so we can't introduce any prior bad acts.
Speaker 3: And Barba's like, well, maybe we can get him to
Speaker 3: open the door. So back in court, Barba's questioning Kane.
Speaker 3: He finally gets his moment and he asks, this is like, so,
Speaker 3: this is the scene I'm talking about. This is like
Speaker 3: probably why Raoula Sparza stayed on the show for so
Speaker 3: long and why people immediately loved Barbara, because this is
Speaker 3: one of the most wild courtroom scenes we've ever seen,
Speaker 3: and it's his first fucking episode.
Speaker 2: I truly forgot about Like when I saw this, I
Speaker 2: was shocks because I knew, you know, he always tapped
Speaker 2: dances and does something great.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean this is up there with the
Speaker 1: girl taking off her shirt or Gray like getting that
Speaker 1: guy to stand up with a bone, you know, and
Speaker 1: saying that's not an objection you're raising you know, So
Speaker 1: this is to me a top ten court moment. He
Speaker 1: asks Kane what excites you about having sex with Jocelyn?
Speaker 1: And the guy's like, what excites anybody about having sex?
Speaker 1: And then you know, Barba's like, was it the belt?
Speaker 1: And then the guy's face changes and he goes, oh,
Speaker 1: so the belt was her idea? Like that's what Cain
Speaker 1: is claiming, even though she was pretending she doesn't even
Speaker 1: really like this stuff?
Speaker 3: Why would she?
Speaker 1: And he goes, she wanted to role play, and Barba's
Speaker 1: being super tricky. He's kind of talking to this guy like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I like don't know anything about kinky stuff.
Speaker 3: Could you like tell me about it?
Speaker 1: Like that's kind of his vibe of how he's getting
Speaker 1: this guy to like He's like, I'm just like a
Speaker 1: regular meat and potatoes missionary guy. Can you tell me
Speaker 1: how you know you get into kinky stuff?
Speaker 3: Like how do you start that?
Speaker 1: Do you just take your belt off and then just
Speaker 1: give her a few hits with it, and then he
Speaker 1: prods so hard. He goes so like where does the
Speaker 1: buckle go? And the guy's like, what do you want
Speaker 1: me to like show you? And Barba's like kind of
Speaker 1: and Calhoun objects and Barba's like, come on, I'm curious,
Speaker 1: and the judge allows it, which.
Speaker 3: Is the funny.
Speaker 1: Jared was sitting next to me when I was watching
Speaker 1: this reading and he.
Speaker 3: Goes, are you kidding me right now? Like what judge
Speaker 3: is gonna do this?
Speaker 1: So Barbara takes off his own belt, puts it around
Speaker 1: his neck, and he's like, show me how she likes it,
Speaker 1: and he keeps saying like he's trying to get this
Speaker 1: guy horny in court about the belt, and he just
Speaker 1: keeps goading him, like come on, pull on it, show
Speaker 1: me how you like it, Show me how you like
Speaker 1: How hard do you like to pull it? Da da
Speaker 1: da da, And then suddenly Kane snaps right. He goes
Speaker 1: into his special belt personality that he has and he's
Speaker 1: like like this and he pulls it so hard that
Speaker 1: he chokes Barba out, and uh oh, the jury's faces
Speaker 1: they did not like that. So then Barba points out
Speaker 1: he goes, I'm okay, I'm okay, not a mark on me,
Speaker 1: even though he is like wearing a shirt, so it's
Speaker 1: a little bit different, but he has he says, I
Speaker 1: don't have any marks on me. And then he shows
Speaker 1: the jury the photo of Jocelyn's neck from the hospital
Speaker 1: where the mark is so red and violent, and he's
Speaker 1: and it's like, so imagine what he did to her
Speaker 1: if what he just did to me didn't even leave
Speaker 1: a mark. So he goes, is this what excites you
Speaker 1: about sex hurting your victims? And he's like, she liked
Speaker 1: it like that, and he goes, you mean Jocelyn, And
Speaker 1: Barbara goes, you liked it like that? She didn't, and
Speaker 1: you know they do. Cut to Anna Klumsky and she
Speaker 1: is wiping tears away and it's you know, emotional, probably
Speaker 1: for her. So we cut to Benson going into Harris's
Speaker 1: office and it's been three days on this trial and
Speaker 1: the jury is still out. So then Benson goes, SPU
Speaker 1: is the only unit where the victim's word isn't good enough.
Speaker 1: You have to prove that a crime was committed. And
Speaker 1: Harris is packing up his desk and he gives her
Speaker 1: the good news that Kraigan's coming back, I'm out of here,
Speaker 1: and he asks you ever think about moving up the
Speaker 1: ranks and she says, I wouldn't want to supervise anyone
Speaker 1: like me, And you know what the truth is, she doesn't.
Speaker 1: Really nobody since she's become captain is as good as
Speaker 1: she is, except maybe Rollin's. But like nobody, there's no
Speaker 1: there's no Stabler or Benson that has emerged in the
Speaker 1: new class. I'll say that I do love Kevin Kane's
Speaker 1: character and I want him to be made a full
Speaker 1: time cast member. He's like, uh, this guy goes, I
Speaker 1: got the hookups at one PP if you ever need
Speaker 1: a rabbi, and I think we've mentioned that before, but
Speaker 1: that is NYPD specific slang for a mentor, and she's like,
Speaker 1: I got Craigan and then he goes, you know it's
Speaker 1: gonna be different, right, And I was like, what, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know, is it really different when Craigan
Speaker 1: comes back?
Speaker 3: Anyway, Right at that moment.
Speaker 2: She sorry, I know I'm behind, but it is also
Speaker 2: just so rich that the whole time it's like, you're
Speaker 2: a liar, You're a liar, You're a liar.
Speaker 3: And how easily it was proven.
Speaker 2: Nah, bitch, you're the liar, you know what I mean
Speaker 2: to the guy, like it was.
Speaker 3: Just such sweet justice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you thought you were gonna fucking get away
Speaker 2: with it. You thought you were gonna fucking get away
Speaker 2: with it. Yeah, acting like she was the pro as
Speaker 2: you fucking did that, fin.
Speaker 1: No, and a guy like this, there's no fucking way
Speaker 1: that it's just Jocelyn and these three interns, Like, there's
Speaker 1: no way, Like, but people don't come forward for powerful
Speaker 1: guys like this because they know he's gonna go on
Speaker 1: TV and do a fucking monologue and ruin their lives.
Speaker 2: Cause even the elevator that's bold, like everyone's you know,
Speaker 2: it's like at.
Speaker 3: A party, it's public, the doors can open at any moment.
Speaker 1: It is wild too that it's like, did they show
Speaker 1: that video to the jury? Like I'm sure they did,
Speaker 1: But it's like that, whether you agree to the night
Speaker 1: before or not, he clearly like shoves her in the elevator,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, but like Finn said, I guess
Speaker 1: she wasn't actively resisting. So maybe the jury needs to
Speaker 1: be handheld through exactly how victims react. But Benson's little
Speaker 1: convo with this sky Harris ends because she gets a
Speaker 1: text that the jury's in, and that's the last time
Speaker 1: we see this Harris Man. The jury finds Adam Kane
Speaker 1: guilty of raping the first degree, and Barba SloMo turns
Speaker 1: and nods to Olivia and Olivia super Tan.
Speaker 3: I know they were talking about four the July. It
Speaker 3: must be summer.
Speaker 1: She is tanned, baby, and out on the court steps
Speaker 1: they're all chatting, and Barba's like, yeah, the jury just
Speaker 1: finally saw that sicko for who he really was.
Speaker 3: And Jocelin's like, like, what do I even do now?
Speaker 1: My rep is in the toilet, and Barbo goes, if
Speaker 1: there's one thing about America they love a comeback, and
Speaker 1: then Live gives her sort of like a sad look
Speaker 1: and like that's dick wolf baby.
Speaker 3: Well for men, they love it. For men, they love it.
Speaker 2: But we are being positive to Lindsay Lohan right now,
Speaker 2: But it's usually like the Robert Downey juniors.
Speaker 3: You know, like why own a rider?
Speaker 2: She stole from a couple stores and took years for
Speaker 2: her reputation. Yeah, Robert Downey Junior, I mean Rob low
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: Made a sex tape with a mind underage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's and we're like, god, yeah, I want to
Speaker 2: do Atkins because of him.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like it is why.
Speaker 1: I Josh Roland allegedly like assaulted Diane Lane and he's
Speaker 1: in fucking dune and hosting U S and L I
Speaker 1: mean truly, yes, we love a come back for men,
Speaker 1: but also for men's back. Kathy Griffin's back, she's torn
Speaker 1: after seven I fucked up. I'm just adding to the
Speaker 1: list of positive women who have come back after year.
Speaker 2: Lindsay Lohan took over a decade, I know, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. It's it is kind of wild how
Speaker 2: long it takes for women and the men.
Speaker 3: Maybe it takes a bit. But like Robert Downey Jr.
Speaker 3: I don't know how.
Speaker 2: He's likable at all. Is he actually worth it? Like, well,
Speaker 2: what has he done? He was just a drug addict,
Speaker 2: you know, good for him. I'm glad he's sober, but
Speaker 2: I hate his attitude. Oh really, Like this has nothing
Speaker 2: to do with drug use, you know, sobriety's hard addictions.
Speaker 3: Hard drugs are fun. He's just smart. I hate him.
Speaker 2: He takes himself too seriously, Like anytime there's a joke
Speaker 2: or anything in an award.
Speaker 3: He's just so uppity. He's uppity. I don't like interesting.
Speaker 3: I met him one let me.
Speaker 2: Know if you guys are Robert Downey Junior heads. I
Speaker 2: from a distance really don't like him. I think he
Speaker 2: is iron Man without the fun suit.
Speaker 3: Like I don't think that's think anybody has to love RDJ.
Speaker 3: But I'm curious that the people who do.
Speaker 2: I'd like to know if I'm wrong that he's like
Speaker 2: a smarmy asshole.
Speaker 1: When I met that, he was nice when I met him,
Speaker 1: and he and his wife, he's very obsessed with his wife,
Speaker 1: so like I love that him and his wife are
Speaker 1: like a duo, like she's never not with him, Like
Speaker 1: they're very tight.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, she's the one who got him sober, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, she put
Speaker 2: in a lot of work.
Speaker 1: And I thought you would like that he thanked his
Speaker 1: stylist at the Oscars.
Speaker 3: I didn't see that.
Speaker 1: Nobody ever has done that. And he thanked his stylist,
Speaker 1: Erica Cloud.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's great. I think people have done that, but
Speaker 3: it is great that he's done that. Yeah, I think
Speaker 3: it was like no one had done it at the Oscars.
Speaker 1: Or something like that. Like as I read something about
Speaker 1: it that was like it was unprecedented for a stylist
Speaker 1: to be called out whatever, But.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people love that once iow got that attention from
Speaker 2: the assistance. I remember when Schumer won her Emmy, she
Speaker 2: brought up hair and makeup. So now everyone's like, hmm,
Speaker 2: what lower level in pat can I think? So everyone
Speaker 2: thinks I'm really relatable and down to earth and I
Speaker 2: treat people NICs.
Speaker 3: Can I just give a shout out to Crafty please?
Speaker 3: Craft Services get up here. They've got like rice Chrispy treats.
Speaker 3: They're throwing them out to the audience.
Speaker 2: And thank you to my nanny. I could not have
Speaker 2: been here without your support. And hell, you know, all right.
Speaker 3: Well we're going to take a quick break and we'll
Speaker 3: be back with crime not even.
Speaker 2: A crime, not a crime. It's kind of nice. Well
Speaker 2: a crime. It is a crime, So this is a
Speaker 2: nice day for us. I'll be honest. You know, it's
Speaker 2: very rare that the episode is worse than the real crime. Yes,
Speaker 2: no one is trapped in a basement, no one's buried
Speaker 2: under concrete, no one's in a you know, a human
Speaker 2: trafficking ring. Trying to escape and it is just a
Speaker 2: little extortion.
Speaker 3: It's nice. It's really been nice.
Speaker 2: Also, Kara did mention fifty Shades of Gray, and that
Speaker 2: came out June twentieth, twenty eleven, and this episode came
Speaker 2: out October tenth, twenty twelve. Yeah, so just like the timing.
Speaker 2: But that book, you know, it was on the charts,
Speaker 2: I think for weeks. It was crazy. Everyone was talking
Speaker 2: about it and our society is so not into books.
Speaker 2: When I googled, like release date fifty Shades of Gray,
Speaker 2: it showed the movie immediately. I had to write book
Speaker 2: and to me, that's why this is the original but
Speaker 2: the but whatever.
Speaker 1: It just also I think says a lot about like
Speaker 1: like how sort of puritanical we are and repressed as
Speaker 1: a society that like this book about like I don't know,
Speaker 1: he ties her up and stuff. Everybody's like, ooh, I
Speaker 1: read it in the bath when my kids are in bed,
Speaker 1: like and all that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It was like so like, but I want everyone to
Speaker 1: be in touch with their sexuality, of course, but I
Speaker 1: just wish we were in general, and it wasn't like
Speaker 1: this sort of like shittily written fan had to bring
Speaker 1: everybody out of their sexual shells.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know it was a nice way for
Speaker 2: the elders to get involved.
Speaker 1: And hey, it brought me Book Club, which you know
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite movies and franchises, so I'm
Speaker 1: happy for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so this and they mentioned his name in the episode,
Speaker 2: is about David Letterman and this guy, Joe Halderman.
Speaker 3: And this story has everything.
Speaker 2: There's jealousy, extortion, cheating on air, apologies, pretty fun. Vanity
Speaker 2: Fair called it an explosive triangle Burkett's ambition, Halderman's bitterness,
Speaker 2: and Letterman's self loathing. So thank you for that drama,
Speaker 2: Vanity Fair and Burkett. It's Stephanie Burkett. We'll get into that. So,
Speaker 2: David Letterman, if you don't know, look it up. I mean,
Speaker 2: what are we talking about here? A legend? Yeah, I
Speaker 2: was a Leno girl famously, and I apologize, but.
Speaker 3: I never really was into anybody late night. But I
Speaker 3: used to read those top ten list books and crack
Speaker 3: my little eleven year old ass up, Like I thought
Speaker 3: the Top ten was the funniest thing ever. And if
Speaker 3: I would be at somebody's house that had them, I'd
Speaker 3: just be like I'm not talking to anyone, and I
Speaker 3: would just be like reading those I.
Speaker 2: Loved them, and he has beloved I was he won
Speaker 2: the rating, like he was the top dog in terms
Speaker 2: of ratings, and I think like respect and some people
Speaker 2: love Letterman.
Speaker 1: I think also what I love about Letterman is like
Speaker 1: he did kind of tease people a little bit. It's
Speaker 1: like now you know, now there's like a thing where
Speaker 1: people talk about like prom king comedy with a lot of.
Speaker 3: The talk show hosts. They're just like, I can't believe
Speaker 3: I'm meeting you.
Speaker 1: This is so cool, You're so awesome, and like it
Speaker 1: used to be Letterman being like what's this all about?
Speaker 1: You know, like being a little bit more Carson, like
Speaker 1: I think in the teasing and having like a rapport
Speaker 1: with the famous people like didn't Lady Gaga and Letterman
Speaker 1: like famously like really hit it off and like love
Speaker 1: to like rip each other and stuff.
Speaker 3: Maybe I have no idea, No, it could. It could
Speaker 3: very well be.
Speaker 2: He had a lot like whaty Harrelson, We'll talk about later,
Speaker 2: Like he's been on it.
Speaker 3: I think it's twenty like hundreds of times or something.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Like he has guests that come on dozens
Speaker 2: of times.
Speaker 3: He really does. Can you are you googling most frequent guests?
Speaker 3: Oh no, I was googling Gaga Letterman. Oh I'm curious
Speaker 3: who the guests.
Speaker 1: Regis Philbin It says one hundred and fifty total appearances.
Speaker 3: Oh, he loves Julia Roberts.
Speaker 2: That's that's one that he loves, Robin Williams, Tom Hank Yeah, people, Oh,
Speaker 2: Amy Darris, who doesn't love her?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 2: Oh Howard Stern but like Cher called him an asshole,
Speaker 2: and just famous moments. You know, the titties, Drew Barrymore's
Speaker 2: titty is on the desk, you know Madonna, there's just
Speaker 2: he Yeah, he had something. I was unfortunately on the
Speaker 2: NBC side. But he has loved and you've been living
Speaker 2: under concrete if you do not. I have never heard
Speaker 2: of David Letterman. Or maybe you're young, maybe you like Conan. Okay,
Speaker 2: so what does he do now?
Speaker 1: He has like Netflix shit where he interviews people, right,
Speaker 1: and he's got a big ass beard.
Speaker 3: Oh and I'm sorry to bury the lead. David Letterman
Speaker 3: lives in my town.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, So I passed his house all the time
Speaker 1: and we would see him driving. He did not have
Speaker 1: a good reputation in our town. Though he would turn
Speaker 1: off his lights on Halloween, no trigger treaders. He would
Speaker 1: like drive his car kind of like fast through town,
Speaker 1: like not really talk to people, Like he didn't really
Speaker 1: have a great rep in New Canaan.
Speaker 2: Well, after doing some research on this, and I'm not
Speaker 2: diving into it at all, but he's had a lot
Speaker 2: of crazy stalkers.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, I guess that makes makes sense.
Speaker 2: A lot of stalkers showing like camping out on his
Speaker 2: tennis courts, like he lives on well, now he's I
Speaker 2: think in Westchester or something because on a golf like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he may have moved. He may have moved. He
Speaker 3: he had a house where I when I grew up.
Speaker 2: He was also had a house in Saint Barts. I mean,
Speaker 2: this motherfucker's rich. Like I didn't realize how rich he was.
Speaker 2: He has like five or six houses a Tribeca loft.
Speaker 2: But he did have a lot of obsessed, weird fans,
Speaker 2: and I actually think we forget about that with all celebrities,
Speaker 2: Like the amount of stalkers and obsessed people that probably
Speaker 2: try to get to them that we don't know about
Speaker 2: is astronomical.
Speaker 3: As my guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a lady that tried to break into
Speaker 1: his house to New Canaan, and they booked her on
Speaker 1: my family friend's lawn because they like wanted to get
Speaker 1: her off the property. My family friend that I used
Speaker 1: to babysit for it live right across the street.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Yeah, his house wasn't very attractive either, but I think
Speaker 1: it was like I think he probably liked how it
Speaker 1: was like not a ton of windows. It was like
Speaker 1: it was it looked like the back of the house
Speaker 1: was the front of the house, do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So I think he kind of probably what
Speaker 1: you're saying makes sense. He did have like a lot
Speaker 1: of famous stalkers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of what I was reading about
Speaker 2: him is like, like I mentioned this self loathing, like
Speaker 2: he had low self esteem and hated himself and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. Like I guess he was some kind of weirdo.
Speaker 2: But you know, he has a lot of homes and
Speaker 2: is still working to this day. Okay, Joe Helderman, this guy,
Speaker 2: you know, he's not some gremlin stalker that I'm talking
Speaker 2: about from the depths of the swamp coming up. Actually
Speaker 2: a respected guy at CBS he was a producer in
Speaker 2: forty eight hours. He won eight Emmys, you know, and
Speaker 2: the one of our said he had a lot of
Speaker 2: baggage and they put these together, which was really funny.
Speaker 2: Spent a lot of time working in war zone and
Speaker 2: two divorces which meant huge alimony payments. And I just
Speaker 2: loved that thought was put together.
Speaker 3: That's his baggage, war zones and alimony.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he had covered conflicts in eighty six countries.
Speaker 2: He worked with Dan Rather a bunch, and he was
Speaker 2: he was really known to be the guy like he
Speaker 2: was there for the Saddam Hussein interview and stuff like,
Speaker 2: you know, really good. But April nineteenth, nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 2: he had hit his limit doing like all these wild
Speaker 2: news things and went to forty eight hours. So I apologize,
Speaker 2: I said, at forty eight hours ahead of time. So
Speaker 2: he was doing hard hitting news Dan Rather, war zones,
Speaker 2: running around and one time he got really scared and
Speaker 2: he goes, once you're scared, you gotta get out. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And so he got out and got like a more
Speaker 2: consistent job at forty eight hours at CBS. And basically
Speaker 2: what he did was he tried to get Letterman to
Speaker 2: pay him millions of dollars in exchange for not writing
Speaker 2: about the late night host's sexual affairs. I don't know,
Speaker 2: we'll see. So the affair was with the late show staffer,
Speaker 2: so Stephanie Brickett. She was David Letterman's assistant and also
Speaker 2: appeared on the show as a ton of characters and
Speaker 2: as his assistant. And people loved their dynamic. They fucking
Speaker 2: loved it. And I guess the whole thing that he
Speaker 2: was smitten by was she gave it back to him
Speaker 2: like she didn't give a shit.
Speaker 3: She was mean to him.
Speaker 2: And she started as a writer's room intern, and then
Speaker 2: after graduating college, she got a low level CBS job,
Speaker 2: splitting her duties between the Late Show and forty eight
Speaker 2: hours Hello, And at forty eight hours she had met Joe,
Speaker 2: who was seventeen years older than her and a producer,
Speaker 2: and in that stint they did start dating. So she
Speaker 2: is dating and now living with this man, but hated
Speaker 2: working at forty eight hours. She missed the late show,
Speaker 2: so in two thousand and four she got this assistant
Speaker 2: job to be with him. So she was an intern
Speaker 2: throughout college and then after college was an assistant and
Speaker 2: she ended up appearing in over two hundred and fifty episodes,
Speaker 2: and she was in law school during the same time,
Speaker 2: and her tuition for law school was paid by a
Speaker 2: loan from the Letterman's company. Her and Joe were dating
Speaker 2: and living together, like I said, but Letterman definitely had
Speaker 2: a lot of chemistry with her on television, and she
Speaker 2: is quoted saying Dave is truly the greatest boss I
Speaker 2: could ever have.
Speaker 3: And that was in Vanity Fair.
Speaker 2: So Joe's point of view, and this is told to
Speaker 2: a friend of his and a colleague named Bob Arnott Arno.
Speaker 3: I don't know, do you know who this is?
Speaker 1: No, but I think it would be Arno, probably Arno, really,
Speaker 1: that's wild French maybe.
Speaker 2: And then sometimes they say he's a doctor, sometimes not.
Speaker 2: I'm not putting it in front of his name. You
Speaker 2: need to prove it to me. I don't know who
Speaker 2: you are. But this motherfucker was out there chatting. He
Speaker 2: is like such a gossip. So this is a Joe
Speaker 2: told his friend, and his friend went on Good Morning America,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, and Vanity Fair and told it.
Speaker 2: So we have to take this point of view with
Speaker 2: a grain of salt because it's from this guy. But
Speaker 2: basically what Bob said was he found a diary of
Speaker 2: his girl friend at the end of two thousand and eight,
Speaker 2: and it indicated that Stephanie was very much still going
Speaker 2: out with Letterman in a serious way, and it just
Speaker 2: made him mad because he had knew before she said
Speaker 2: she would stop whatever. According to Bob, Stephanie would have
Speaker 2: a lot of late night trysts with him in the
Speaker 2: office in the Tribeca loft that I mentioned. They would
Speaker 2: go to trips with other staff members, like to the
Speaker 2: Indy five hundred, his ranch in Montana, his home in
Speaker 2: Saint Bart's, so many houses, and the kicker is sometimes
Speaker 2: Dave's wife was.
Speaker 3: On these trips as well. Ooh fuck. So they would
Speaker 3: go on these trips. She was just all around town.
Speaker 2: So he did confront her after reading the diary and
Speaker 2: was like, why are you And so she promised to
Speaker 2: end the fair and convinced him not to break up
Speaker 2: with her. Then August two thousand nine, this guy Joe
Speaker 2: sees the two of them embrace and he didn't like
Speaker 2: it and it just pissed him off. So basically, like
Speaker 2: Dave gave a ride home to Brittany and in a
Speaker 2: Tesla and this is oh nine, so this is like
Speaker 2: Tesla's were different. What Yeah, it was an electric Tesla
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dollars plus car. And he drove to Norwalk, Connecticut,
Speaker 2: to his house, to Joe's house to drop off Stephanie.
Speaker 2: And it's like, your boss is driving you all the
Speaker 2: way to Connecticut because at this time he was living
Speaker 2: in Westchester, it said, but maybe not, maybe he was
Speaker 2: still in Connecticut where you were from. But whatever, So
Speaker 2: he dropped her off. Joe sees this, he's enraged and
Speaker 2: that's the hearsay.
Speaker 3: So that's like what got him pissed.
Speaker 2: So then September ninth, two thousand and nine, he goes
Speaker 2: and gives David Letterman's driver a sealed envelope that's waiting
Speaker 2: outside of Letterman's Manhattan home and he said, give this
Speaker 2: to Letterman and it's marked privileged and confidential, which is
Speaker 2: funny because why would you write that so big on
Speaker 2: a thing, Like if it's a secret, it should say
Speaker 2: like bills on it, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 2: it's so funny, but also who is this driver that
Speaker 2: would give it to I'd be like, get the fuck
Speaker 2: out of here. Like, where is security? Like this is
Speaker 2: why he was unfriendly, I think. And in this envelope
Speaker 2: there were demands for meetings and extortion details and basically
Speaker 2: evidence as well of him having this affair with Stephanie
Speaker 2: and this guy Joe says, I am going to write
Speaker 2: a screenplay and a book about you, and I have evidence,
Speaker 2: and in the envelope all this evidence from the affair.
Speaker 2: So he gets, you know, a little nervous. So they
Speaker 2: start having meetings with the lawyers to work out the
Speaker 2: extortion details. And I learned that this actually happens a
Speaker 2: lot to celebrities that they settle out of court and
Speaker 2: are constantly settling and being okay with blackmail because they're
Speaker 2: all sickos. So I guess it's really common for this
Speaker 2: to happen. So the lawyers are working out the extortion details,
Speaker 2: a few meetings are happening, So then David Letterman doesn't
Speaker 2: love this right, so then he reaches out to the
Speaker 2: Manhattan District Attorney's office and they go, yeah, bro, this
Speaker 2: is this is extortion in blackmail. This is illegal, Like
Speaker 2: we need to get to it.
Speaker 3: And I wonder if.
Speaker 2: This would be the service you would get if you
Speaker 2: were anybody, but like, Letterman is so beloved, so they
Speaker 2: really got move in on this. And Joe had demanded
Speaker 2: a two million dollar check to keep all of this secret,
Speaker 2: so the mat Manhattan District Attorney's office hands him like
Speaker 2: a fake two million dollar check. Joe goes deposits the
Speaker 2: check in October and he was arrested the next day, released,
Speaker 2: of course, on bail two hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: So October first, two.
Speaker 2: Thousand and nine is when Letterman goes on Late Night.
Speaker 2: I remember this moment and he kind of like confesses
Speaker 2: all of this, and I think that's the only thing
Speaker 2: the episode took from Letterman is that on air thing,
Speaker 2: because there was no belts, there's no rate but years
Speaker 2: coming out and even now in the future, you know,
Speaker 2: with me too and different powers and hooking up with
Speaker 2: bosses and interns and all of that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there is a lot of ethical stuff. I
Speaker 1: remember this too, though. I remember this him going on TV.
Speaker 3: So what do you remember.
Speaker 1: I just remember being like, this is so weird, how
Speaker 1: somber he is.
Speaker 3: What year is it. It's two thousand and nine. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I probably was reading about it on fucking blogs. And
Speaker 1: shit because it was like Perez Hilton Times of twenty
Speaker 1: four hour news cycle and a celebrity gossip Like I
Speaker 1: probably was like, but I just remember him being so
Speaker 1: somber and being like this is weird, Like this isn't
Speaker 1: normally how you see David letter.
Speaker 2: Right, he was doing bits and the crowd still kept
Speaker 2: laughing and clapping because they didn't understand. So I did
Speaker 2: watch it, and he had guests after, which was shocking
Speaker 2: to me, Like what ay Harrold sitting Kim Kardashian, we're guests.
Speaker 2: I kept figuring it out, like did he do it
Speaker 2: at the end? How did he continue the show? Like
Speaker 2: what's going on? But they love him. The audience loved him,
Speaker 2: like it was wild to watch. So this is the
Speaker 2: only thing we can talk And like a lot of
Speaker 2: videos have come out about Letterman recently where like he's
Speaker 2: grabbing and being inappropriate with the female guests and bringing
Speaker 2: them in and like kind of being touchy and was
Speaker 2: he having sex with tons of the interns and what
Speaker 2: was going on? There's actually comedy a comedian with rumors
Speaker 2: about like having a job there and that they were
Speaker 2: hooking up and that's the reason that they got promoted
Speaker 2: you know who.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Yeah, of course you do.
Speaker 2: And I've talked to this person about it and stuff,
Speaker 2: but you know, there was kind of a reputation where
Speaker 2: if you fuck Dave.
Speaker 3: You got promotions.
Speaker 2: So you know, we can talk about like ethical implications
Speaker 2: and stuff. But this episode we watched is so horrific
Speaker 2: and I just feel isn't that? So he told the
Speaker 2: Late Night Show on October first that he had sexual
Speaker 2: relationships with female members of his staff. He talked about
Speaker 2: the extortion, the two million dollar check, and the story
Speaker 2: started out with He's like, listen, I have a story
Speaker 2: to tell you. I had to go downtown today and
Speaker 2: testify in a grand jury. I have received a package.
Speaker 2: Three weeks ago. There was a threat and ABC News
Speaker 2: is like the audiences were waiting for a punchline, but
Speaker 2: it didn't truly come, and it was just so detailed
Speaker 2: with everything and setting up the meeting.
Speaker 3: He really like milked it.
Speaker 2: So he talked for eight minutes before he brought up
Speaker 2: the affair. So for eight minutes he's just setting the
Speaker 2: scene of the blackmail, the process, the extortion, that they
Speaker 2: have evidence of dirty things that he's doing, and they're.
Speaker 3: All laughing, they're clapping like it is.
Speaker 2: You know, they have awkward moments, but they're still in
Speaker 2: it because it's David.
Speaker 3: You know, they're excited to be there.
Speaker 1: I must not have watched the whole thing because I
Speaker 1: remember just him being like, you know, but I don't
Speaker 1: think I watched an eight minute Joe okafon.
Speaker 2: And even after he confessed, there were bits. I mean,
Speaker 2: he got an applaud break. He straight up said I
Speaker 2: had sex with staff and there was an applaud break it.
Speaker 3: It really was wild.
Speaker 2: So, like I said, there was guys, I did watch it,
Speaker 2: but the first state minutes, yeah about the DA the envelopes,
Speaker 2: all the dark shit, and then he does say, I
Speaker 2: straight up I did it, and he said it would
Speaker 2: be embarrassing if it were made public, perhaps it would
Speaker 2: especially for the women.
Speaker 3: And so people loved that joke. I can't believe it.
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, you show it's like nine minutes in like
Speaker 2: fifty seconds and at the end he goes Woody Harrelson
Speaker 2: coming up next. I mean, it is wild, but there
Speaker 2: there were bits and confusion, absolutely, and.
Speaker 3: And it continued for days.
Speaker 2: You know, that was like on a Monday, and he
Speaker 2: was making jokes Throughout the week, like October fifth, two
Speaker 2: thousand and nine, he did a joke about the weather, saying,
Speaker 2: if you're starting to feel the chili fall weather, take
Speaker 2: heart that it is far far chiller in the in
Speaker 2: his home, What.
Speaker 3: Far chiller in my or something like that.
Speaker 2: The audience is sympathetic to him, and I guess. Throughout
Speaker 2: the week he also made nods of how he's like
Speaker 2: bash Bill Clinton and the Spitz, you know, Elliott Spitzer
Speaker 2: and all these guys, and how now it's him. And
Speaker 2: on the next Monday he comes in and he did
Speaker 2: a joke about, oh, this weekend, I was raking it,
Speaker 2: raking my hate mail, shit like that. And he also
Speaker 2: he did take stuff seriously. He apologized to the staff.
Speaker 2: He talks about how horrible it was and how how
Speaker 2: hurt his wife was and how it's you know, mean
Speaker 2: to her. And the wild thing is, so they've been
Speaker 2: together since nineteen eighty six, him and his long term girlfriend.
Speaker 2: They did not get married till March two thousand and nine. Wow,
Speaker 2: and then this all happened October two thousand and nine.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: So it's like, why I don't understand you've been not
Speaker 2: married this whole time? Why would you get married at
Speaker 2: this moment and then do like I know he didn't
Speaker 2: think he would get extorted, but it's just confusing. You
Speaker 2: were together for since nineteen eighty six. Just do the
Speaker 2: Kurt rustle of it all with Goldie, you know? So,
Speaker 2: Like I said, it's cheating and their adults, but also
Speaker 2: relationship between bosses and employees worldwide. Pants the production company
Speaker 2: did put out a statement that Stephanie was put on
Speaker 2: paid leave when this all went down, so I guess
Speaker 2: that's good. In one of the articles I read, there's
Speaker 2: the author of this book called Officemate, Your Employee Handbook
Speaker 2: for Romance on the Job. She's like, listen, you know,
Speaker 2: obviously don't do it, but in quotes, we're in no
Speaker 2: position to tell people what to do with their hearts.
Speaker 3: I don't know why I wrote that and thought it
Speaker 3: was important. I just I liked it.
Speaker 2: And it goes on to say that the host did
Speaker 2: foster a vibe of workplace sexual misconduct. Like I said,
Speaker 2: women who had sex with him did have better opportunities. Allegedly,
Speaker 2: I feel dangerous talking about any of this. And he
Speaker 2: did the rigamaroles. He sat down with Oprah with his
Speaker 2: friend regis, you know what I mean, Like he made
Speaker 2: the rounds.
Speaker 3: This was everywhere, Now Joe, what happened to Joe?
Speaker 2: So at first he pled not guilty, but he was
Speaker 2: facing fifteen years for extortion. And you know, there was
Speaker 2: so much media attention from October until like the final sentencing.
Speaker 2: There was months of so much in the media. So
Speaker 2: he ended up actually pleading guilty to attempted grand larceny.
Speaker 2: His lawyer said to CBS News that the scheme was
Speaker 2: fueled by both financial problems and romantic jealousy after reading
Speaker 2: that damn diary, but don't go through people's things. And
Speaker 2: then his lawyer also said that the Manhattan District Attorney,
Speaker 2: Robert Morgentho, has embraced Letterman's story and that he got
Speaker 2: to make his points on national television and again going
Speaker 2: back to the episode, like that's pretty not fair.
Speaker 3: You get to just chat to America.
Speaker 2: And so he began his prison sentence met in May
Speaker 2: of two thousand and ten. He served four months of
Speaker 2: his six month Sentenceman did not appear in court at all,
Speaker 2: and also the deal included four and a half years probation,
Speaker 2: a thousand hours of community service, and five hundred of
Speaker 2: those hours will be in a Connecticut homeless shelter. And
Speaker 2: I guess thank you ABC News for that detail. And
Speaker 2: he was at Rikers. Okay, so he got out for
Speaker 2: good behavior. But after Joe went to jail, he got
Speaker 2: a new job and there was like there was press everywhere.
Speaker 2: He got a job with Investigation Discoveries, show Case with
Speaker 2: Paula's on. It was you know, news, and he's still working.
Speaker 2: I mean, he has eight Emmys. So I don't know.
Speaker 2: And of course Letterman's popularity unscathed. Maybe an emotional blow,
Speaker 2: but like everyone loves him to this day. I barely
Speaker 2: think of no one thinks about this. I don't that.
Speaker 2: I you know, I don't.
Speaker 3: I have not talking about people remember this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Stephanie, you can't find any of her appearances
Speaker 2: on the internet. Her segments have been scrubbed from the history, unwritten,
Speaker 2: like unwritten from the show's history. There was one was
Speaker 2: it Vanity Washington Post. There was some sort of an
Speaker 2: opinion piece that talked about how sad it was that
Speaker 2: her whole tenure on that show was scrubbed away because
Speaker 2: she was such a great correspondent and they had such
Speaker 2: great chemistry and it's like she's ceases to exist in
Speaker 2: that realm like most women. Yeah, in these cases, we
Speaker 2: he got a standing ovation. She was meant to leave
Speaker 2: scrubbed from the internet. But she was in law school
Speaker 2: and she graduated and she's a lawyer. And that's that.
Speaker 1: That's another tie in with the episode is like we
Speaker 1: just talked about it, like.
Speaker 3: America loves a comeback. Look at this fucking guy gets
Speaker 3: out of jail, immediately gets another job, no problem. David
Speaker 3: Letterman saw no problems, like had nothing wrong. This girl
Speaker 3: had to leave entertainment. I mean, she's a lawyer. She's
Speaker 3: not like canceled or dead or anything. But like, you know,
Speaker 3: it's like, fucking what we just talked.
Speaker 2: About, being on the Late Show is probably a great
Speaker 2: fucking gig. You know, he was paying for her fucking college.
Speaker 2: It's yeah that you're right. The guy went because David
Speaker 2: Letterman's beloved. This guy tried to extore David Letterman and
Speaker 2: he got a job right away, straight out of Rikers,
Speaker 2: And yeah, it is.
Speaker 3: It's wild.
Speaker 2: And it's just like she was a pawn between this guy,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like this guy was like
Speaker 2: I'm jealous, but also like she's dat, she's hooking up
Speaker 2: with these old ass losers. This guy was seventeen years
Speaker 2: older than her, with paying two alimony payments, he had
Speaker 2: two ex wives. Yeah, he's paying over six thousand dollars
Speaker 2: in alimony. It's nuts, it's nuts a month a month.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so she saw something in him. Lived in
Speaker 2: a house in Connecticut. I mean, she obviously has weird taste. Well,
Speaker 2: thank you for taking us down memory lane. And a light.
Speaker 3: It's light, it's nice. Yeah, it's a little light. You know,
Speaker 3: a few months in jail.
Speaker 1: We don't have a guest today, so let's pop right
Speaker 1: into that post mortem.
Speaker 3: Baby. I hated seeing the belt. I really didn't like it.
Speaker 2: She was she's such a good actress, like you really
Speaker 2: felt her on the stand. And this is one that
Speaker 2: I actually haven't seen that much and I never really remember.
Speaker 2: And then when I remember, I go, oh god, nothing.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's a tough one.
Speaker 1: I mean I think it's like as like in so
Speaker 1: many episodes of this show that they highlight is like
Speaker 1: you can kind of stop sex whenever you want. You
Speaker 1: can stop any kind of like physical activity, you know,
Speaker 1: anytime you want, and like that, everyone tries to act
Speaker 1: like yeah, like.
Speaker 2: I just don't even understand why you would be like
Speaker 2: what that's it.
Speaker 3: It's like is that or it's sick?
Speaker 1: It's yeah, or like or anything like she wrote a
Speaker 1: book about sex, so she loves it. She had posted
Speaker 1: a photo on Instagram where she's wearing a skimpy dress,
Speaker 1: so she loves it. It's like anything that's like outside
Speaker 1: of that moment, it feels irrelevant. But then, like the
Speaker 1: show points out that that's not really true in a
Speaker 1: court of law, when you know people are judging you
Speaker 1: and making like making I mean like the fact that
Speaker 1: they had to like go down to Baltimore to find
Speaker 1: her old ex boyfriend and be like how kinky was
Speaker 1: she tell us, you know, like we gotta we gotta
Speaker 1: get to it first.
Speaker 2: That was what the girl at the face she was saying,
Speaker 2: because were talking about Merrilyn M.
Speaker 3: Manson and she was just like, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 3: she was an adult.
Speaker 2: He didn't she didn't have to go in and do that,
Speaker 2: like it was an sn M type thing. And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but he is a freak, Like I don't know, but wait,
Speaker 2: did you hear about the Vinnie from Jersey Shore thing.
Speaker 2: Have I talked about it on this podcast?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: What happened?
Speaker 2: So, you know, I'm obsessed with this guy. His podcast
Speaker 2: is pillow Talk. I don't know why I'm endeared to
Speaker 2: him so much. I truly have such such a crush
Speaker 2: on him. His name's Ryan and he has porn stars
Speaker 2: and sex stirkers on his pod mostly and sometimes they
Speaker 2: do fuck on the pod. He brought his friend with
Speaker 2: cancer on and two of his favorite porn stars did
Speaker 2: have sex with him.
Speaker 3: But that's not digress.
Speaker 2: So they had a girl on and you know a
Speaker 2: lot of these porn stars like they fuck famous people,
Speaker 2: like they fuck all the rappers actors, like that's is
Speaker 2: in their dms and so like they all have fucked
Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Like they're all just out there like that's
Speaker 2: who's fucking celebrities. And so she said that Vinnie from
Speaker 2: the Jersey Shore. She went to his house and they
Speaker 2: watched a porno of a girl in a dog cage
Speaker 2: and then she pukes and then she eats her own puke,
Speaker 2: and then they went into like the house or whatever,
Speaker 2: and they're of the room, no furniture, nothing except a
Speaker 2: dog cage. And he was like I want you to
Speaker 2: go do that, and she didn't, and so then the
Speaker 2: facial girl was like, well this girl like she did
Speaker 2: go do that, And I'm like, I don't know. But also,
Speaker 2: if you're gonna be fucking and like if you're famous
Speaker 2: and you're gonna be doing that, like you need to
Speaker 2: make people sign NDA's like I will never become the same,
Speaker 2: Like it's you know, it's consensual whatever if you want
Speaker 2: to watch women eating puke in a dog cage, like okay,
Speaker 2: but I don't know. I don't know how you live
Speaker 2: that down now. But also maybe I'm breaking the news,
Speaker 2: so who knows. Yeah, are talking about it?
Speaker 3: Like sure, I do not know? Wow, I God, Lisa,
Speaker 3: nobody is safe.
Speaker 1: I thought Vinnie was like the one good guy from
Speaker 1: fucking Jersey Shore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you would think it'd be the situation or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you tell me the situations and this shit
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, got it tracks, But Vinnie's Vinnie. It's
Speaker 3: Vinnie oof oof.
Speaker 1: And I mean like yeah, not not not to kink shame.
Speaker 3: But that's a lot. That's a lot. It's tough. It's tough.
Speaker 2: I think you got to do a couple therapy just
Speaker 2: to figure out why you want that.
Speaker 3: I do think that like no judgment, but you know judgment, but.
Speaker 1: It's like what your facialist is talking about. It's like,
Speaker 1: consider what was happening in the real crime or the
Speaker 1: real like extortion that you talked about in this week's episode.
Speaker 1: Like sure, this girl is like kind of having an
Speaker 1: affair with David Letterman. She's an adult, but like he's
Speaker 1: her boss. There's power dynamics, there's all like does she
Speaker 1: have the ability to just walk away if she wants to?
Speaker 3: We don't know. Well that's what I said to her.
Speaker 2: So you know, even if it's not criminal, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying everyone's a criminal, Like it doesn't have
Speaker 2: to be criminal, But if tons of women all over
Speaker 2: have the same experience of feeling pressure or giving in
Speaker 2: or whatever, there is a collective experience and there should
Speaker 2: be a name for it or a thing or like, yeah,
Speaker 2: a name for the person who pressures you, like we
Speaker 2: have sex pest. But like, if if everyone is experiencing it,
Speaker 2: you cannot dismiss.
Speaker 3: It as well. You said it.
Speaker 2: You know. It's like if all of us feel uncomfortable
Speaker 2: at one point of our lives when we're young, then,
Speaker 2: like we need to address it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: But whatever, I just yeah, but this is like a
Speaker 1: harrowing episode. Also, I guess, like, figure out a fool
Speaker 1: proof plan. If you're going to just write erotica for
Speaker 1: your college professor, let's figure out a backstory. Let's figure
Speaker 1: out where you learned all of your knowledge about Uh,
Speaker 1: what's the guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you didn't like that she didn't have enough lies planned, she.
Speaker 1: Didn't have enough ries plan, she didn't have enough lies plan. Like,
Speaker 1: if you're going to go on talk shows stuff, people
Speaker 1: are going to ask you where you got into all
Speaker 1: that stuff?
Speaker 3: Like I just wanted.
Speaker 1: I was assuming that these two smart women would have
Speaker 1: had more of a fool proof plan to keep the
Speaker 1: deception alive. But I really hope that in the extended
Speaker 1: universe of SVU, Jocelyn has started writing, you know, her
Speaker 1: own fiction and it's going well and.
Speaker 3: People like it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, should we get into what would Sister
Speaker 1: Peg do? Yes, this is our weekly segment where we
Speaker 1: direct you towards some kind of resource that'll help you
Speaker 1: learn a little bit more about what we talked about today,
Speaker 1: and just apropos of the conversation. We were just having
Speaker 1: I wanted to highlight this article I found on the
Speaker 1: Planned Parenthood website called Sexual Boundaries how to Set Them.
Speaker 1: It's a quick read that helps define sexual boundaries in
Speaker 1: a consensual sexual situation as well as communication tips. Breaks
Speaker 1: down several key categories like clothing boundaries, body part boundaries,
Speaker 1: activity boundaries, and lays out how to effectively communicate and
Speaker 1: establish all of these boundaries. Wow, don't drink every time
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