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Speaker 2: Here's this week's episode.

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Speaker 3: Welcome In. Welcome In. It's a Late Round Fantasy football

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Speaker 3: show sponsored by DraftKings. David Kitchen here alongside with JJ

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Speaker 3: Zach Reeson aka CEO, AKA the Boss aka the guy

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Speaker 3: who you do not want to challenge on X. All right,

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Speaker 3: j J.

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Speaker 1: Apparently, I mean, I don't know there was someone today

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Speaker 1: wanted to play in the Dynasty League with me because

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Speaker 1: they got mad about my don't it was a threat

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Speaker 1: that like, I don't know how you could really get

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Speaker 1: mad at. It was just me giving my take on

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Speaker 1: like analytics and prospecting via numbers and some things that

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Speaker 1: I've seen people kind of like in my opinion, because

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Speaker 1: like anything that you do when you're giving advice or

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Speaker 1: you're talking about a topic and you're trying like you're

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Speaker 1: you know, you're saying I think that this is the

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Speaker 1: better way to maybe do it. And then at the

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Speaker 1: very end I even said, I don't have all the answers,

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Speaker 1: so I don't know why people get mad at it.

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Speaker 1: I'm just sharing thoughts, uh, you know, in the end.

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Speaker 1: But then, so every once in a while people get

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Speaker 1: mad at objective thoughts like that.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't just a mad part is the way they

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Speaker 3: didn't want to play with you in a Dynasty League

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Speaker 3: Exactly the exact words were is it was like, I

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Speaker 3: challenge you to a duel. I challenged your model to

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Speaker 3: a game of Dynasty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it was hilarious.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And then and then I said something along lines of

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Speaker 2: No, I'm too scared. It was was my response. I

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Speaker 2: don't know, man.

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Speaker 1: I get a lot of people that like challenge me

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Speaker 1: to fantasy all the time, like, oh, you must suck,

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Speaker 1: you must be terrible because I disagree with this take

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Speaker 1: that you have, and then they challenge me.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to play with a random person on

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Speaker 1: the internet who only is just like anger.

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Speaker 2: There's there's literally.

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Speaker 1: No upside for me to play with you. There's just

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Speaker 1: there's there's I want to play with people that I

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Speaker 1: enjoy playing with that. I like, unless there's you know,

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Speaker 1: make some money.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't need to waste my time in a dynasty

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Speaker 1: league with some random dude on the internet. That's that

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Speaker 1: sounds like one of the most miserable things I could

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Speaker 3: All right, Uh, we have a lot of stuff going on.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be a fun show. The the uh, the meat,

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Speaker 3: depending I guess on what your your appetite is, is

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Speaker 3: the four biggest NFL combined takeaways. But we also have

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Speaker 3: all sorts of stuff that we'll be talking and just

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Speaker 3: a reminder, the Prospect Guide pre order comes out and

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Speaker 3: Thomas hole again this is an interactive show. We get

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Speaker 3: the show, like subscribe all that good stuff, but says

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Speaker 3: the Prospect guy, looks like the center dude who is

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Speaker 3: Eli Stowers, actually is wearing a bikini top and now

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Speaker 3: I can't unsee it. Now I'm gonna have to get people.

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Speaker 1: This is why people need to watch on YouTube because

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Speaker 1: there's an image which by the way, mister.

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Speaker 2: Kitchen created the image I did.

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Speaker 3: And so now we have to go back and recrate,

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Speaker 3: because now I can't unsee it. It looks like Eli

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Speaker 3: Stouers is wearing a bikini, like a coconut shell bikini.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's is that? Who that is? I couldn't tell.

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Speaker 2: But of course, of course you put him front and center.

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Speaker 3: I put him in the I put him in the back.

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Speaker 3: I put Jeremiah Love Jordan Tyson in the front, him

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Speaker 3: Look I get it.

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Speaker 2: Look he's I just said we have a good prospect

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Speaker 2: from Bandy. Everybody. Yeah, congrats Kitchen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and not only that, not only Diego Pabia like

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Speaker 1: The five to four quarterback who has an attitude problem

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Speaker 3: He did not have an attitude problem. The guy posts

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Speaker 3: a few things on social media after he did not

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he went and he made the joke

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Speaker 3: Great. Great, I would just say probably, don't say that.

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Speaker 1: Just don't say anyone anyone who goes there and then

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Speaker 3: Gosh, Thomas is on fire. He said five to four.

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Speaker 3: He has an altitude problem. He ten five ten was

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Speaker 3: his official measurement. So he's Kyler's uh, he's Kyler's high.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk about Kyler also in a second, but go

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Speaker 3: be great. It's excited. Yes, I'm looking forward to it. Also,

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Speaker 3: join the Patreon and get in the Dynasty chat, the

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Speaker 3: of early best Ball. Yeah, because you love you love

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Speaker 3: like the prospect stuff, the dynasty stuff. I think dynasty

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Speaker 1: I think that right now, the biggest edge that you

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Speaker 1: Oh Omar Cooper was ahead of Jordan Tyson and his

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So again, and we'll have some mock drafts later,

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Speaker 3: JJ and I will just say, I'm not gonna I'm

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Speaker 3: not gonna put too much emphasis on this, but someone

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Speaker 3: say that Kitchen fills Jimbada says Kitchen feels about Pabia

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Speaker 3: the way JJ felt about Kenny Pickett. Do you think

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Speaker 1: Probably, But but Kenny Pickett at least was a first

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Speaker 3: See, that's the thing is Pobby has never a first

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Speaker 3: He's always playing that dog role. He's got that chip

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Speaker 3: Watch him, though, on the field, I can't believe I'm

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Speaker 3: All right, JJ, last week was Combine Week, So let's

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Speaker 3: Combine Week, and obviously there were some winners, there were

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, we'll be talking about some of

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Speaker 1: But I would say my overall like just stance with

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, let's talk trades now, and I'm actually

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that this tells us that they're trying

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, social and then you have, you know, restructuring

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Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm I know that I'm I'm really arguing

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Speaker 3: You know. My prediction is that there's gonna be another

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Speaker 1: I'm worried about Cam Skattaboo too, And now if I'm

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Speaker 1: running a team, no chance I do that with Skataboo

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Speaker 1: and Tyrone Tracy.

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Speaker 2: But you know, it's just the way the teams think.

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Speaker 3: To Eli's point in the chat, I saw someone say

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Speaker 3: I would like to think that they wouldn't add a

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Speaker 3: kennth Walker and they had Skataboo. But then again, this

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Speaker 3: is the same team that just hired Matt Naggy as

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Speaker 3: their offensive co ordinator.

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Speaker 1: So I do want to go back to my take

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Speaker 1: kitchen about Mike McCarthy versus John Harbaugh and how I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's so significant of a delta as

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Speaker 1: people think. Genuinely, I like, I'm not saying either's gonna

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Speaker 1: go south. It's they're they're not. Like I'm more inspired

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Speaker 1: by the younger, unproven coaches generally speaking.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, we'll get we're we'll get to Kyler News

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Speaker 3: in a second. I just do, I do want to

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Speaker 3: address the chat. Though there's been multiple comments about my hair.

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Speaker 3: Someone says, oh, kitchen has hair, and then in parentheses,

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Speaker 3: somewhat everybody's someone said, emphasis on the somewhat Darth Carter

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Speaker 3: just got here a new haircut or no, hat.

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Speaker 2: Your hairlines hair, Your hairline's not that bad.

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Speaker 3: I did get a haircut. My my hairlinees always been

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Speaker 3: like this. Just it just it's just running, make a

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Speaker 3: run for the back of my head. So, uh, it

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Speaker 3: is what it is. I'm know, Denny Carter, I get it.

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Speaker 2: Are you?

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Speaker 1: Are you a People also think that my hairline is

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Speaker 1: going back. Guys, I just have a giant forehead and

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Speaker 1: I've always had a giant forehead.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is the same.

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Speaker 3: That's not going back.

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Speaker 1: I had the same I've had the same hairline since

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Speaker 1: I was twelve. Okay, this is this is just the

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Speaker 1: way that my forehead is. Okay, my brother has a

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Speaker 1: big forehead. I have a big forehead. It's it's a

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Speaker 1: genetic thing.

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Speaker 2: To deal with it.

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Speaker 3: I just we don't have any backwards hats on and

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Speaker 3: people don't know how to deal with that. Let's get

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Speaker 3: onto the Kyler news though from yesterday released from the Cardinals.

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Speaker 3: Not a big surprise here, but it is possibly gonna

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Speaker 3: make things fun. I think, oh, yeah they do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I honestly am shocked. Like I here's my take.

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Speaker 1: I think that NFL teams see Kyler Murray as better

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Speaker 1: than what the masses do right Like, I would not

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Speaker 1: be surprised if NFL teams are sitting there and they're like,

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Speaker 1: what is Arizona doing right now? Because in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: I get it to a degree. You know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're still paying this year for Kyler, but like I.

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Speaker 2: Get it to a degree.

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Speaker 1: You know, you have a new coaching staff, you want

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Speaker 1: to start fresh, you know you need a change. That's fine,

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Speaker 1: but man, I will be very you know, I had

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Speaker 1: Kyler as a bye because he was like QB was.

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Speaker 1: He was low twenties from a dynasty standpoint. Yeah, to

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Speaker 1: start the off, season. I don't know where he's at

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Speaker 1: right now, but if Kyler goes literally almost anywhere, because

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Speaker 1: that team is going to need a quarterback, he's going

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Speaker 1: to more than likely be a starter somewhere the next year.

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Speaker 2: Right And if it's like Minnesota, you know.

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Speaker 3: That's the team that everyone's talking about right now.

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Speaker 1: If it's Minnesota, that is incredibly interesting, like incredibly interesting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll get fun.

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Speaker 2: I mean that would be that he would be an

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Speaker 2: easy late round pick. If yeah, it's Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: They said Koc has to uh to sign off on that.

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Speaker 3: But there's Geno, there's Kyler, there's Tys Simpson as a

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Speaker 3: possibility like the I just I.

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Speaker 1: Just think Kyler is easily a tier above what else

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Speaker 1: is out there. Yes, and maybe that's just me being

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Speaker 1: blind and stupid, but I genuinely think that that Kyler,

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Speaker 1: if you look at EPA per drop back, if you

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Speaker 1: look at totally whatever you want to look at, Kyler

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Speaker 1: is not that bad of a quarterback. So like I

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Speaker 1: would take I mean, I think it's rational and reasonable

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Speaker 1: to say that I would rather have Kyler Murray than

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Speaker 1: Malik Willis. Now, does Malik Willis have a more like

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Speaker 1: untapped ceiling that we haven't really necessarily seen, and who knows,

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Speaker 1: sure like you can make that argument just because I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're we're basing this off of a very small sample

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Speaker 1: size with Malik Willis. That's why I understand to a

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Speaker 1: degree why a team like Arizona might want to go

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Speaker 1: down that path. But if you're talking about like median

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Speaker 1: outcome here, and there's also the reclamation project angle that

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Speaker 1: a lot of teams might want to try to duplicate

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Speaker 1: after what they saw with Seattle, I think Kyler Murray

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Speaker 1: is a pretty attractive candidate there.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I know that people will make the off the field jokes,

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Speaker 1: the call of duty jokes, but I still think Kyler

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Speaker 1: is a.

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Speaker 3: Pretty good quarterback. All right, Let's get to the franchise tags.

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Speaker 3: So we kind of knew that George Pickens was gonna

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Speaker 3: be tagged. He was last week since the show Breis

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Speaker 3: Hall tagged earlier this week, F's in the chat for

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Speaker 3: Breesehall owners. But Danny Dimes tag and that's that's kind

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Speaker 3: of big. As far as the Colts landscape and landing

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Speaker 3: spot for Alec Pierce.

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Speaker 2: So okay, two things.

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Speaker 1: Number One, someone says that Kyler Eloso on and Chat says,

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Speaker 1: Kyler this offseason has the same vibes as Fields post bears.

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray was so much better of a passer throughout

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Speaker 1: his career than Justin Fields was.

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Speaker 2: It's not even close.

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Speaker 1: Justin Fields a better rusher, But Kyler Murray is a

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Speaker 1: better quarterback than Justin Fields.

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Speaker 2: Second Danny Dimes coming off of an achilles.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we can confidently say he is definitely

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Speaker 1: better than Kyler Murray. That's where I'm like, what exactly

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Speaker 1: is Indy, Like, what's.

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Speaker 2: The angle here?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if they could hypothetically go that other route, I'll

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Speaker 1: just say that, Like I people are gonna comment for sure,

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Speaker 1: for sure on this show saying that I'm out of

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Speaker 1: my mind about Kyler Murray, and I I get I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that he's a top even fifteen quarterback necessarily

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Speaker 1: in the league. But is he is he one of

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Speaker 1: the best thirty two quarterbacks on Earth?

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Speaker 2: Probably?

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Speaker 1: Like, I don't think that that's that irrational to say.

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Speaker 1: So that's okay, Let's let's finish that take.

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Speaker 2: On Kyler Breeze Hall is trapped and it sucks, It's unfortunate.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that We're gonna see incredible fantasy production.

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Speaker 1: Let's see what where his adp lands though, But yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what that's where I'm out with those.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Did you want to talk about Danny Dimes stuff?

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Speaker 1: No, I just I My stance is just that, like

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Speaker 1: I think it's risky because of the Achilles and and

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Speaker 1: you know Kyler being out there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Alec Pierre, who was supposed to be on the

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Speaker 3: Late Round show.

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Speaker 2: He was got stuck in traffic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, was was on with k Adams at the up

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Speaker 3: and Adams show this morning, said I love Indy, but

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Speaker 3: at some point this kind I've kind of earned a

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Speaker 3: right to explore free agency. We'll see him out there.

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Speaker 1: Look, if I'm Alec Pierce, I'm getting my bag. He's

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Speaker 1: like crazy because he spiked last year. His values at

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Speaker 1: an all time high right now. And this isn't any

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Speaker 1: shade to him, because I think that he's a he's

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Speaker 1: very very good at what he does, one of the

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Speaker 1: best like contested catch down the field guys in the league.

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Speaker 1: And his athleticism is really kind of translating at this point.

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Speaker 1: But I don't, you know, like one of the big

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Speaker 1: arguments for him is that like he could get he

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Speaker 1: could be more of a higher volume receiver in another offense.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know. I don't know for

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Speaker 1: sure if that's the case. And so if he can

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Speaker 1: get that bag this year, he should get that bag

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Speaker 1: this year and just go after it. And I don't

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Speaker 1: know if and he's gonna be like usually when when

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Speaker 1: players stay with their team, they don't get the same

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Speaker 1: kind of deal they could get if they really really

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Speaker 1: tested the market.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's get to rumor time. Shout out to

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Speaker 3: Matthew Berry and his Rumors column. You mentioned it, JJ,

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Speaker 3: you reach weight. I feel the same way. I just

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Speaker 3: enjoy reading it. Even if none of the rumors happen.

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Speaker 2: It's a good article.

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Speaker 3: It's still fun and it's so fun to think about.

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Speaker 3: And that's kind of what we're doing the same thing

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Speaker 3: with the draft. You know, we're thinking about teams that

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Speaker 3: have players. But some interesting rumors. Is Wanda Robinson getting

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Speaker 3: a lot of steam to the Titans.

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Speaker 2: Which is not surprising because they have Dable, right, which

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Speaker 2: will be fun.

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Speaker 3: Also, you you have the whole Kyler Murray thing to

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Speaker 3: the Vikings. But Derek Carr, please another name to this.

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Speaker 2: Derek Carr it's very so.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if people realize this or know this,

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Speaker 1: but when I was at number fire, when I first

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Speaker 1: started my career, this is about in twenty twelve. I

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Speaker 1: started twenty thirteen, I started a number five. For two

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Speaker 1: years we were doing and for longer than that even

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Speaker 1: but for the two years before we were acquired by Fandle,

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Speaker 1: we were doing a ton of content that was just

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Speaker 1: real football base because expected point models weren't like everywhere,

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Speaker 1: and we had an expected points model, right, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: so we had net expected points, and so we would

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Speaker 1: write a lot of content that oftentimes was controversial because

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Speaker 1: it was based on expected points, which at the time

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Speaker 1: was very new, very fresh. Now it's everywhere, right and

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Speaker 1: like you know, everyone even knows what EPA is. But

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Speaker 1: back then we would do real football content, not just

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Speaker 1: fantasy football content. And I wrote an article after Derek

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Speaker 1: Carr's rookie season that said, is Derek Carr really the

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Speaker 1: future for the Raiders? And I've never gotten more hate

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Speaker 1: for any piece of content. I mean, I probably have,

625
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Speaker 1: but back then I was a lot more fragile than

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Speaker 1: I am today, and so there were a lot of

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Speaker 1: Raiders fans that just came at me like just relentlessly,

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Speaker 1: and then it went from this. It was this like

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Speaker 1: weird journey for car where he was overrated in my

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Speaker 1: opinion to start his career, and then he became kind

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Speaker 1: of underrated for a little bit, and so I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: even argue towards the end of his career he was

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Speaker 1: still a little bit underrated.

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Speaker 2: But I don't want to.

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Speaker 1: Go through that, like I don't want to go through

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Speaker 1: the unretiring and you know what, what is he?

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Speaker 2: What kind of core? Like, it's just it's just a lot.

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Speaker 2: I'd much rather see like.

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Speaker 1: A Kyler go to Minnesota and let JJ McCarthy, you know,

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Speaker 1: sitting on the bench.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So for receivers for next week, it's gonna be

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Speaker 3: fun because you've got Mike Evans, DJ Moore possibly and uh,

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Speaker 3: I feel like I'm missing somebody else. Mike Evans, DJ Moore,

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Speaker 3: Alec Pearce, Alec Pearce. There you go. We mentioned Wandel

645
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 3: but the running back position even better. Chiefs looking at

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Speaker 3: a running back in the area of eight million dollars annually.

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Speaker 3: Also Broncos looking to make a splash. These are all

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Speaker 3: from uh, let's see, there's another column today the CBS column,

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Speaker 3: Jonathan Jones's column. Yeah, and then you also have I

650
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Speaker 3: think Matthews talking about Kenneth Walker. You've got ETN possibly to.

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Speaker 2: The chiefs ETN.

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Speaker 1: The funny thing is that etn's market value if you

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Speaker 1: go to a place like spot rack or some of

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00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: these like places that you know have or spot how

655
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: do you pronounce that spot track?

656
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 2: Spot track?

657
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 3: Yeah? I always accidentally sport rack.

658
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we need we because I've never listened to

659
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: anyone actually say it out loud. It's one of those

660
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: one of those things. Another thing that people can yell

661
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: at me at the comments for uh but no, Travis

662
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: y Like there was the report that they were going

663
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Speaker 1: to spend like you said, eight million on a eight

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Speaker 1: million year on a on a running back and Travis

665
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: Etn's market values around seven million there, like it just

666
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: feels like Travis Etn is going to.

667
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 2: Be a chief.

668
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 3: Yes, but you all also have Eli said future chief

669
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 3: Rico Daubtle, You've got Algier, Like the running back market

670
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 3: is gonna be just totally shaken up.

671
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: Someone saying it's spo track, spo track, spo track, Okay.

672
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, what does the SPO stand for?

673
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: I don't know, probably something sports sports track.

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Speaker 3: Tem Yeah, tell us where they where the spoe is.

675
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 2: All right, but you know we never said it out

676
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Speaker 2: loud before until now.

677
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Speaker 3: Okay, that does it for the news and the rumors.

678
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Speaker 3: The rumors are just fun. You usually don't have a

679
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 3: lot of rumors on here. The you know, it's just

680
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 3: a fun, fun piece. So with that, let's go from

681
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 3: the fun stuff to the nerdy stuff.

682
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Speaker 2: Today's data.

683
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: We've got speed scores for running back. People are asking

684
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: for wide receiver speed scores. I don't mess with that

685
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: because I don't care about wide receiver forty times, but

686
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: I do care about running back forty times to a degree.

687
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: Mentioned this on the show earlier this week. Speed score

688
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: is an input in the Zapp model. But let's not

689
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: get carried away like Mike Washington, as I said on

690
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: the show, if he ran a four to four to

691
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 1: three compared to a four to three three, I think

692
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: a Zapp score goes down by like half a point.

693
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: Like it's not an overly significant, you know, input, but

694
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: I do think it's gonna change his draft capital. I

695
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: think Mike Washington was likely a Day three guy. And

696
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: now there's a chance that He's a Day two guy,

697
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 1: which in this class matters because there's not a lot

698
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: of good running back talent in general. So you can

699
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: see on the screen there's only ten guys that ran

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00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: this year, but Mike Washington had the best speed score,

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00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: second best in the Model's database, behind only Keith Marshall.

702
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Loves was really good. Adam Randall he ran a

703
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 1: four or five at two hundred and thirty two pounds,

704
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: which is really solid. Seth McGowan. I talked about him

705
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: on the show. And then on the other side you

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00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: have Emmitt Johnson, who I also talked about ninety three

707
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: point four speed score, which I don't think this qualifies him.

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00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: It's not the biggest deal in the world because that's

709
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: not really his game. He's more of a I think

710
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: he's still a pretty complete back, and I still think

711
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: there's a chance that there's a very real chance that

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00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: he's still the Models RB two after all of this.

713
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: Like still Robert Henry didn't have a very good speed

714
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 1: score at ninety three point nine. Generian Price I think

715
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: was one of the more disappointing ones because he doesn't

716
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: have that backbone from a production standpoint, and then he

717
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 1: only ran a four four nine, which you know puts

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00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: him under the one hundred mark, barely under the one hundred.

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Speaker 2: Mark in speed score.

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Speaker 1: It's like, I just have a hard time with price man, Like,

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00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: where where is the It's just all projection, you know,

722
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: it's all gonna be based on draft capital. I get

723
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: he played with Jeremiah Love, but that's a very volatile

724
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: profile to buy into, you know, like it could go

725
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: in so many different directions. But yeah, I mean, if

726
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 1: if you want to screenshot this whatever, it's on Twitter

727
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: as well. These are the speed scores of the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six running back class.

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Speaker 3: Sounds good, JJ, Let's get on to the main event,

730
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 3: which is the four biggest takeaways from the NFL.

731
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 2: Combine the late round main event.

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00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 3: All right, starting with number four.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, we've seen a lot of I'm sure you've

734
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: seen a lot of tweets and probably even heard podcasts

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00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 1: about how all of these players like tested really well.

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00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: But I think that you have to understand the selection

737
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 1: bias that's kind of going on here, where if only

738
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: a particular subset of people are like actually participating in

739
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: these drills, more than likely there's a reason as to

740
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: why they're testing, so only ten running backs, like I said,

741
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: ran the forty. Only one of them did the three cone,

742
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: which was Emma Johnson. And it's weird because he did

743
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: it in a pretty slow He was like a twenty

744
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: twenty fifth percentile three cone guy, and people are dinging

745
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: him for doing it. It's like, okay, but he did it,

746
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: you know. Like at some point, and I think Brugler was.

747
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 2: Saying this a little bit.

748
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: I was listening to their show and their recap on

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00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: I'll Walk the other day, but Brugler was mentioning that

750
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: like teams still are like like teams are crediting the

751
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: players who actually go out and do these drills and

752
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: do these things at the combine because it's showing their competitiveness,

753
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: you know, like he he mentioned in particular, like mackay

754
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: Lemon is sitting up there on the podium being like, oh,

755
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: I'll compete with anyone, and then he doesn't go and compete.

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00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: You know.

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00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: There's of course reasons for it, Like if you're locked

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00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: into the top half of the first round, you feel

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00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: good about it. You don't want to ruin that opportunity,

760
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: like Carnel Tate, not that he ruined it, he should

761
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 1: he should still go in the same range.

762
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 2: But uh, you know, Carnel Tait. People are now like, oh.

763
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 3: Well that was a weird one.

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00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: But that's why I'm saying, like, like, from a player's perspective,

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00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: I get all of that, and I understand why they

766
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't necessarily test. But you know, it's just a it's

767
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 1: a it's a changing, changing landscape. A lot of these

768
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: guys just end up running at their pro day and

769
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: they're doing it. They're not testing at the Combine because

770
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: it's a short turnaround time, you know, postseason and stuff.

771
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: Maybe they're not ready, but also they can get some

772
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: home cooking at the pro day and maybe look a

773
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: little bit better, you know, say what you want, but

774
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: it's what happens historically, and so it might be more

775
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: beneficial for them to be in a more uh you know,

776
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: familiar environment to do all these things and it's not

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00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: as stressful necessarily because they're not on the you know,

778
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: nationwide stage at that at that moment. And so I

779
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: understand why that's all happening. Just know that it is happening.

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00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 1: And since it is happening, that means that the players

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00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: who are testing are likely athletic. They're likely doing so

782
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: because they know that they're going to test well, and

783
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: so as a result of that, we have to take

784
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: that with a grain of salt. When we sit here

785
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: and we say, hey, this is the most athletic wide

786
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: receiver class, or the running backs were really athletic at

787
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: this combine, it's like we didn't see the full sample.

788
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: You know, the wide receivers were fast, don't get me wrong.

789
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: I mean there were.

790
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: It was a very very fast wide receiver class. But

791
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of stuff going on here that

792
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 1: that is beyond just that.

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00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 2: And and the one note that I add it on here.

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00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: First off, people ask me all the time for pro

795
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: day adjustments, I add point zero five to everyone's forty

796
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: time and I say, everyone, I'm just talking about I

797
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 1: guess tight end now too, but uh, that's for running

798
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: back because I don't care about forties for wide receivers.

799
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 2: So I add point zero five.

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00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: So if a guy think cam Skataboo, you know, didn't

801
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: have a great speed score because I added that point

802
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: oh five and others were like, no, it was like

803
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: a one hundred speed scores Like no, it's more like

804
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: a ninety two to ninety three type speed score.

805
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: So that's one thing to keep in mind.

806
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: But also I do think that this is one of

807
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 1: those instances where you know, you hear myself and others

808
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: talking about modeling this stuff all the time, or you know,

809
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: the kind of metrics that we're digging into. This is

810
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: one of those instances where we have to remind ourselves

811
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: this is really important to focus on the metrics that

812
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: we can really control in our you know, modeling environment.

813
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 1: And so if you're grabbing player grades from someone else's

814
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: film analysis, make sure that someone else is sticking to

815
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: the same rubric or is still doing that analysis, because

816
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: think about three years from now, if they retire or something,

817
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: you know, or if something like they get let go

818
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 1: and they're not doing that anymore, you know, that can

819
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: change and alter what your model is really saying. And

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00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 1: the same thing goes with certain data that's out there

821
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 1: that people take from and they probably shouldn't be taking

822
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: from in my opinion, just based on the legality.

823
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 2: Side of it.

824
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: But it's why a lot of the stuff that goes

825
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: into my model might seem like basic numbers from the

826
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: standpoint of like, you know, it's receiving yurds per team

827
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: pass attempt or you know, reception share at running back.

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00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 2: Part of that is.

829
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: Making sure that I'm getting data and inputs that are

830
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: long lasting, that that don't shift and change based on

831
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: what other people dictate, you know, And that goes with

832
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: the combine because things are changing with the combine, and

833
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: if you're heavily, heavily influenced by what those numbers are

834
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: saying with the changing landscape, it can really change the

835
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:58,919
Speaker 1: way that you're prospecting these players too.

836
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 3: All right, number three, you're not You're not too high

837
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 3: on the RB two.

838
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: No, just Jeremiah Love and the rest At this point,

839
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: I mean, someone will emerge because I'm going to have

840
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: to make rankings eventually, and we're going to see draft

841
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: capital once the NFL Draft hits. But look, I have

842
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: all of the potential RB twos you know by draft

843
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 1: capitol and stuff listed right now. Yeah, and I can

844
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: easily knock any of them. Jenerian Price horrible production profile.

845
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: He didn't test exceptionally well. Mike Washington, He's an athlete,

846
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: but that didn't always show up in the production Like

847
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: he didn't have a very good explosive run rate in

848
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 1: college despite you know, being a four to three.

849
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 2: To three guy.

850
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: Emmitt Johnson, not a crazy athlete, great production profile, but

851
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: not a crazy athlete.

852
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 2: Joonah Coleman. I'm interested in Joonah Coleman.

853
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: I think he's probably my RB two, but I want

854
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: to see where projected draft capital goes with him. Because

855
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: he didn't test, we don't know how athletic he is,

856
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: but he is getting like a Doug Martin comp uh

857
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: rest in peace in the model, UH for it for Coleman.

858
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 2: Nick Singleton.

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00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 1: I think there's a chance that I would have had

860
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: Nick Singleton as the RB two had he not gotten

861
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: hurt at the Senior Bowl, because he's the kind of

862
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: archetype that I definitely fall for.

863
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 3: Uh.

864
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 2: I mean, it's been both good and bad.

865
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: Don't get me. You know, I'm not getting it all right,

866
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: but I'm not getting it wrong either. But it's this

867
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: big bodied, athletic receiving back, like he can do stuff

868
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: as a receiver out of the backfield. You know have

869
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: k Tron Allen, who he's split the backfield with, who's

870
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: the most decorated rusher in Penn State history from a

871
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: volume standpoint, But he's more one dimensional and that's and

872
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: we didn't get testing from from Allen either, so like

873
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: there's red flags to both Penn State guys too.

874
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that I spell Singleton wrong. There, It's okay,

875
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: I got you, no thanks.

876
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 1: But but uh yeah, like I like I think Singleton,

877
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: had he not gotten hurt, would would have been a

878
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: way more intriguing prospect. He still is to me because

879
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 1: it's not a like he said that he thinks he

880
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: might be able to test right before the draft, which

881
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: is huge because if we can get that input, if

882
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 1: he runs a fast forty, which he would have run

883
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,240
Speaker 1: a fast forty, that's huge at his size because he's

884
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 1: not a small back either.

885
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is why, Like I know, we're not quite

886
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 3: into dynasty talk, but it seems like originally, and this

887
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 3: is almost sustaining with if you have a top six

888
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,720
Speaker 3: pick in your rookie draft, you're gonna be okay. Outside

889
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 3: the top six, you're gonna have to do like some homeworker,

890
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 3: figure out your knee.

891
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 2: Let's go on to the number two item on.

892
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 3: This list, late round rookie picks. Late first round rookie

893
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 3: picks equals mid second rounders.

894
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 2: I think this year where we're at right now today.

895
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: I think that the tail end of the first round,

896
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: when you get into ten, eleven, twelve in that range,

897
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: it's not that far off from what we saw in

898
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: previous years. And like the early to mid second round

899
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 1: of rookie drafts, we're gonna see hits out of nowhere.

900
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 1: This wide receiver class, what was it the twenty ninth

901
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: teen class, I want to say, where it looked bad

902
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: on paper or like not amazing on paper, and then

903
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: we got some hits like Terry McLaurin I think was

904
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: in that class. But regardless, I think that we could

905
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: be looking at a situation like that where we're gonna

906
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna there's gonna be a consensus opinion from an

907
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: ADP standpoint with a wide receivers, because there has to,

908
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: because that's what ADP is right, and so we'll.

909
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: Get a consensus.

910
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: But I think this is a year where it's not

911
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: gonna be uncommon, and it's actually should be. You should

912
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: do this to stray away more heavily than usual from ADP,

913
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: whether it's the guys after Jeremiah Love, whether it's the

914
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: wide receivers even after In my opinion, Casey concepcion if

915
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: Omar Cooper goes a little bit higher than he would

916
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: firmly be you know, wide receiver five. For me, I'm

917
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: not a big, big Denzel Boston guy. I see the

918
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: the the allure and the upside, but I think the

919
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 1: production profile has some serious question marks.

920
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: And so you know, once you get out of.

921
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: That, like top four wide receivers, it's just kind of

922
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of dudes out there who could

923
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: be pretty productive. And I think there's a lot of

924
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: those players out there, as I talked about on the podcast,

925
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,919
Speaker 1: there's a lot of solid enough guys who if they hit,

926
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised. But I don't think a lot

927
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: of them are going to hit. It's just there's a

928
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: there's it's a it's a winning by numbers kind of deal.

929
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: There's just a lot of them. And so that's kind

930
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: of how I feel about rookie draft right now. If

931
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: you have a top seven, top eight pick in super Flex,

932
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: I think that you're okay enough as long, especially a

933
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: ton in Premium, because yeah, you do have you have

934
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: you have stours and sadiqu that you're gonna throw in

935
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 1: there along with Mendoza from a super flex standpoint three

936
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: or four wide receivers, you get Jeremiah Love. Okay, you're

937
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: fine into the mid first round. It's just gonna get

938
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: really weird once you get to the late first round.

939
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, if those early picks, it's just a matter of

940
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 3: like choosing between those receivers. Yeah, you know who. That's

941
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 3: gonna be a hard decision point. Yeah, that's the big decision.

942
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: Look, this is I'm not gonna lie.

943
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: This is gonna be one of those rookie draft where

944
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: it's gonna be really tough if you only have one team,

945
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: one dynasty team, you know, like, because you've got to

946
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: make that decision when I think there's gonna be pretty

947
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 1: clear tiers where you could, you know, throw a dart

948
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: and be like, yeah, I like McKayle Lemon, No, I

949
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: like I like Jordan Tyson. No, I like, you know,

950
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have Tyson that wide receiver one because I

951
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: think the main reason Jordan Tyson is not gonna be

952
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: a top ten pick is the medicals, And I don't

953
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: want that to get in the way of what who

954
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: I think is a really good player. But but I

955
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: understand if you'd rather not go that route and if

956
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: you'd rather just go with a Carnel Tat or a

957
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: Mikayle Lemon, you know, like it's it's a harder rookie

958
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 1: draft in my opinion, if you only have that one team,

959
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: I'm not saying go join a bunch of dynasty leagues.

960
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: I mean you could. I wouldn't be against that.

961
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 3: I was about to say, if you did want to,

962
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 3: you could always hop in discord. There is a league

963
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 3: finder channel and people post in that as far as

964
00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 3: they're looking for someone to take over an orphan team

965
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 3: or even start a league. So you know, I will

966
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 3: say when it comes to dynasty, this is why I

967
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 3: I'm a big advocate for best ball dynasties because like

968
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 3: you can do you can like have your fun during

969
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 3: the off season and end season. You don't have to

970
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 3: worry too much about it. So just go ahead and

971
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 3: go start a premium, super flex tight end premium best

972
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 3: ball dynasty league. All right, Number one, you put this

973
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 3: water superclass is bound to be overdrafted.

974
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I kind of alluded to it already, Like

975
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of guys, like a lot

976
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: of players who are going to get decent draft capital.

977
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: So I made this chart. I think this is gonna

978
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: explain it better than what I could just do on

979
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,720
Speaker 1: my own. So the chart looks at players since twenty eleven.

980
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: This is all in the zapmodel database who had breakout

981
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: scores above eighty, above sixty, and above forty. So breakout

982
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: scores above eighty are in the ninety fourth percentile, which,

983
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: by the way, the twenty fourteen class the one that

984
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: has gone down in history as one of the best

985
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 1: we've ever seen. We had seven guys with breakout scores

986
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 1: eighty or above, which is a ninety fourth percentile breakout score.

987
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

988
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: We had thirteen guys that year who had breakout scores

989
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: in the eighty second percentile are better, and then which

990
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: is a sixty year better score, and then breakout scores

991
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: of forty or more is the fifty first percentile. So

992
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,479
Speaker 1: the numbers that I'm looking at here, you can break

993
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: them down a lot of different ways. We're looking at

994
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: the ninety fourth percentile, the eighty second percentile, in the

995
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: fifty first percentile.

996
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 2: It's all arbitrary.

997
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: I just wanted to make a point about how the

998
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: model is kind of viewing this class right now. The

999
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: twenty twenty sixth class has one player, Jordan Tyson, with

1000
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: a breakout score over eighty, has four players with a

1001
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 1: breakout score over sixty, and it has seventeen guys with

1002
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: a breakout score over forty. Now that seventeen numbers seems large,

1003
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: but it's actually about six wide receivers lower than the

1004
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: average of what we seen from twenty eleven through twenty

1005
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: twenty five. Breakout score, for those of you guys who

1006
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: might not know, is adjusted receiving yards per team pass attempt,

1007
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,720
Speaker 1: So it looks at receiving yards per team pass attempt

1008
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 1: in a given season, it adjusts that for the strength

1009
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,720
Speaker 1: of schedule that that player faced, and then it layers

1010
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: on this age component for that player, so it's age

1011
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: and schedule adjusted receiving yards per team.

1012
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 2: Pass attempt it itself.

1013
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: Breakout score is about as predictive with top one hundred

1014
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: wide receivers as draft capital itself. So if you were

1015
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: to just draft off of if you knew that he

1016
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: was a top one hundred pick, if you were to

1017
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: just draft off a breakout score, you would get a

1018
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: similar result as you would get if you just drafted

1019
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: off a draft capital. And obviously with the model. The

1020
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: model is way more predicted than draft capital for top

1021
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: one hundred picks because I'm adding in other factors to that.

1022
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: It's not that the model is not just breakout score.

1023
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: With that being said, when you look at the eighty

1024
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: plus breakout scores, we have one this year.

1025
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 2: We usually have around three.

1026
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 1: When you look at sixty or more in break sixty

1027
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 1: plus breakout scores, we have four this year.

1028
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 2: We usually have over eight.

1029
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: So at all three levels, we have fewer players in

1030
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: those buckets for breakout scores this year than what we've

1031
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: had over the last like fourteen seasons. Now, if you

1032
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: look at the projected draft capital for these guys this year,

1033
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 1: according to NFL Mock Draft Database round one wide receivers,

1034
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: we're supposed to get five, could even get more based

1035
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: on what Dane had published today. And then if you

1036
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: look at pick thirty three to one hundred, we're looking

1037
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: at ten, So that's guys who are essentially Day two picks.

1038
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: Both of those numbers are above the average from what

1039
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: we've seen over this timeframe. So what I'm saying is

1040
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 1: we have players that are below the typical breakout score

1041
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: thresholds within these top one hundred picks, but within this class.

1042
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: But then we have a lot of players going in

1043
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: the top one hundred picks. So in my opinion, what

1044
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: we're seeing this is just my opinion. I think the

1045
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: combine is going to influence a lot of what's going

1046
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 1: on here where we had a very fast wide receiver

1047
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: class and teams fall in love with that when realistically, historically,

1048
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: over the last fifteen seasons, we have seen speed have

1049
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: a negative correlation essentially to players who like I'm talking

1050
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 1: like you know, four to four sub four four type

1051
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: speed to those players at least performing well in fantasy football,

1052
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: which obviously is a proxy for how well they perform

1053
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 1: in the actual NFL. You know, it's not a one

1054
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: to one, but you know, a player runs fast, he

1055
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: gets drafted a little bit higher, Teams fall in love

1056
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: with that, they get enamored, and then it's a really

1057
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: bad idea, which is another reason why Carnel Tait and

1058
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:37,720
Speaker 1: like you shouldn't be afraid of what's.

1059
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 2: Going on with Carnel Tate.

1060
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 1: If anything, first round picks, if they're going in the

1061
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: first round, it's telling you that those players are really

1062
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: really talented despite maybe not being a sub four or

1063
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,919
Speaker 1: five guy, And that's what we're getting with Carnel Tate,

1064
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of talent involved in his profile.

1065
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: So I think what we're gonna see is this wide

1066
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: receiver class be overdrafted. As a result of that, we're

1067
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: gonna get guys that break out out of this class

1068
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: like that's you know, Chris Bell or whoever. Like choose

1069
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: choose your your fighter, right, there's gonna be a lot

1070
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: of decent players out there that have decent NFL careers

1071
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: because there's just a decent amount of them that will

1072
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: get good draft capital. But I do think objectively, when

1073
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: you look at this class compared to other ones in

1074
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 1: the past, it's just not that strong. From a production standpoint, it's.

1075
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 2: Not that strong.

1076
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 1: Physical traits are the number two. I mean, if you're

1077
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 1: just ranking production with physical traits, give me collegiate production

1078
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: all day long. It matters so much more than a

1079
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: player's physical traits.

1080
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 3: The Carneal Tait thing is interesting because of just again

1081
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 3: the weird timing issues. But there is another Ohio state

1082
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 3: wide receiver JJ you probably know, who didn't exactly run

1083
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 3: a fast forty time and ended up.

1084
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Speaker 2: Are you talking about historical I'm.

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Speaker 3: Talking about last year Super Bowl champion Jackson Smith and

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Speaker 3: Jacob he ran a four five.

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Speaker 2: Seven, referring to in this draft class.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look Tate here. Here's the thing with Tate.

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Speaker 1: He's a vertical threat or he like that's how he

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Speaker 1: was deployed in college. I think he can win on

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Speaker 1: all three levels, but he was a vertical threat and

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Speaker 1: he ran slower. And the Schefter tweet was real, Like

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Speaker 1: he definitely heard from teams that said, hey, he ran

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Speaker 1: faster than this, But I said this on the show

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Speaker 1: earlier this week. That's exactly why we adjust. If you

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Speaker 1: look at all the time, like Schefter, Actually, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you saw the beef between him and.

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Speaker 2: Florio today, it was amazing, Yes, Like like Florio wrote

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Speaker 2: an article.

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Speaker 3: I think I think Shifter's exact words were just showing

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Speaker 3: why you're wrong, like you always are.

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Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, something along those lines is amazing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so like Florio sends a tweet out that says,

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Speaker 1: you know, or an article that something along the lines of,

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00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: like you know, the carnal Tate's stuff is bs that

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Speaker 1: that Schefter was was tweeting.

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Speaker 2: Because Schefter had tweeted earlier this week.

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Speaker 1: I read it on the show how all these scouts

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Speaker 1: had faster times for carnal Tate's forty. So then Schefter

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Speaker 1: literally screenshotted I don't know, like eight different text messages

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Speaker 1: that he got from scouts saying that they got like

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Speaker 1: four four six and four four seven. The funny thing, though,

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Speaker 1: is that exactly what I talked about on the show,

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Speaker 1: is that when you adjust that for the handtime and

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Speaker 1: you add that point zero five, you get carnal Tate's laser,

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Speaker 1: you know, his combined time, and so I like, this

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Speaker 1: is exactly why you know, I'm adjusting, But it's also

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Speaker 1: exactly why this stuff is just so insane that we're

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Speaker 1: splitting hairs, you know, between point zero five seconds the

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Speaker 1: way that we are, when that's not an uncommon thing

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Speaker 1: to happen in general Earth handtimes. You know, it's just

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Speaker 1: not this is what we see, and it's just not

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Speaker 1: a big deal for carnal Tate. I'm not worried about

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Speaker 1: that at all, despite the fact that he is a

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Speaker 1: stretch vertically kind of wide receiver. My only fear would

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Speaker 1: be did a team bump him down their board a

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Speaker 1: little bit?

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Speaker 2: Probably not, you know, I'm hoping not, because that would

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Speaker 2: be stupid, That would be silly.

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Speaker 3: Draft Night's still gonna be fun though, even if teams,

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Speaker 3: even if teams are overdrafting, part of the fun uh,

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Speaker 3: And I only get to experience this last year, So

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Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to year two is being in the

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Speaker 3: chat with everyone and just seeing all the reactions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I uh and I will definitely be like I

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Speaker 1: think this year, more than most, it's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: what are they doing? Like we got that a little

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Speaker 1: bit with like I was surprised Jalen Polk went where

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Speaker 1: he went.

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Speaker 2: Xavier the guet was the obvious one.

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Speaker 1: I liked Ricky Pearsall pre draft, but I liked Ricky

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Speaker 1: Pearsall from the standpoint of being like a late second rounder,

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Speaker 1: early third rounder and him going in the at the

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Speaker 1: end of the first is is you know what.

1145
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Speaker 2: Was crazy and surprising.

1146
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Speaker 1: But I think we're gonna get a lot of that

1147
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: where it's just like, oh, I thought this guy was

1148
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: gonna go, you know, seventieth overall and he just went

1149
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: forty fifth overall, you know, and then you know, maybe

1150
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: some guys will flip that. But I think we're gonna

1151
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 1: see more so that that happening where if you look

1152
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: at NFL mock draft database, I think we're going to

1153
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: get you know, inflate that by like ten percent where

1154
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Speaker 1: they're they're being drafted right now, not the top guys,

1155
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: but like that next year are players?

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Speaker 3: All right? JJ? Final thoughts as we move on as

1157
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Speaker 3: far as this this draft class goes.

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Speaker 2: No, just listen to podcast. We'll be talking about it

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Speaker 2: a lot more.

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Speaker 1: Next week we're going to be talking about my my

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00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: favorite comps at running back, so that'll be fun.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's say goodbye again. I appreciate everyone for

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Speaker 3: being in the chat, and you know, whether it be

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Speaker 3: commenting on my hair or the promo graphics that we

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Speaker 3: have for the Prospect Guide, Thank you. And JJ tell

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Speaker 3: people why they should buy the Prospect Guy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can do what you want with your money.

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Speaker 1: It's fifteen by right now.

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Speaker 2: It'll be twenty, you know, in a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: But I can tell you that I've worked a lot

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Speaker 1: audit and I put a lot into it, and I've

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Speaker 1: worked with Brandon a lot on the tight end stuff.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I don't put out products and analysis

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Speaker 1: that I'm trying to just get out to make a buck.

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Speaker 1: I want every piece of content that I do to

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Speaker 1: be better than the previous one. And when I look

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Speaker 1: back at the first this is the fifth iteration of

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Speaker 1: the Prospect Guy, which is crazy because I started this

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Speaker 1: when I started the Late Round Fantasy Football as a company.

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Speaker 1: And when I look at the first iteration of the

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Speaker 1: guide and I look at it now, I.

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Speaker 2: Feel pretty prideful.

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Speaker 1: Like there's it's a The analysis is so much deeper,

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Speaker 1: you know, the models are so much better.

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Speaker 2: There's just so much that I've learned over the years

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Speaker 2: in doing this. And colors, the colors look so amazing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, but no, like like I genuinely, I

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Speaker 1: just I feel really good about the product itself. And

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Speaker 1: like I said, I don't need to sit here and

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Speaker 1: sell you guys go check it out. Yes, I want

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Speaker 1: you to check it out. I would love for you

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Speaker 1: guys to check it out, but I understand not everyone

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Speaker 1: can do that, and so I'm not going to force

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Speaker 1: that upon you.

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Speaker 2: I'm just letting you.

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Speaker 1: Know that I've worked very very hard on this Prospect Guide.

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Speaker 1: And if you like the podcast content, if you like

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Speaker 1: the content from today, if you like the way that

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Speaker 1: I approach prospecting, there is no doubt you're going to

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Speaker 1: like the Prospect Guide. There's no doubt in my mind

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Speaker 1: because that's what the Prospect Guide is. I'm pulling things

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Speaker 1: from that whenever I'm giving this analysis, So check it

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Speaker 1: all out Lateround dot.

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Speaker 3: Com Joanna said, no tight end model analysis. Here's what

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Speaker 3: I would say. Make sure you're signed up to the newsletter.

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Speaker 3: It's free. And we literally had an email go out

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Speaker 3: and veiling our new tight end model. Is the name

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Speaker 3: of that email, and we had the combined results that

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Speaker 3: mattered email that was sent oounced earlier this week. We

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Speaker 3: have lots of stuff yeah, related to our models and

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Speaker 3: the common sign up for the news And.

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Speaker 1: I'll say transparently, I said this on Perspectives last week.

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Speaker 1: I'm not like my tight end work is going to

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Speaker 1: be done over the next week slash after the guide

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Speaker 1: goes out, because Brandon is running point on a lot

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Speaker 1: of the tight End analysis. I'm going to be reading

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Speaker 1: and digging in then myself, especially with the top guys.

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Speaker 1: But I'm just not I'm not there yet. Like I

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Speaker 1: know the running back and wide receivers intimately at this point,

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Speaker 1: because I've written profiles for every single guy that I

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Speaker 1: still to edit and look through and make sure that

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Speaker 1: I'm you know, dotting my eyes and crossing my t's.

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Speaker 2: But I haven't gotten to all.

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Speaker 1: Of the tight end stuff that I want to, and

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Speaker 1: so I don't want to produce content yet on that

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Speaker 1: when I'm not as well versed with that position as

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Speaker 1: I am running back and wide receiver.

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