WEBVTT - Chapter 8: What Do We Eat? Eagle Meat.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So, just so we're clear on the state of things,

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<v Speaker 1>we now have a movement of well meaning and funny

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<v Speaker 1>Catholic civilians trading blows with Federal Bureau Director j Edgar

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<v Speaker 1>Hoover and basically in open rebellion against the United States government.

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<v Speaker 1>His giant trial in Harrisburg that was happening based on

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<v Speaker 1>brainstorming ideas the crew had mistakenly put to paper, had

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<v Speaker 1>turned the nine month trial prep of the Harrisburg Seven

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<v Speaker 1>into a cause celeb The Catholic.

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<v Speaker 2>Left had been a pretty small, intimate homespun out that

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<v Speaker 2>where everybody knew everybody, and all of a sudden you

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<v Speaker 2>have all these big heavyweight lawyers and moneymakers and propaganda people.

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<v Speaker 2>All of a sudden you tune around, there's Joan Baez

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<v Speaker 2>singing at a fundraiser for you people.

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<v Speaker 1>And money flooded into Central PA, including so called movement

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<v Speaker 1>professionals such as Tom Hayden and Jane Fonda, Bill Kunstler,

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<v Speaker 1>and many others, the boldfaced names we still.

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<v Speaker 3>Read about in books on the period.

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<v Speaker 1>Benefit concerts were fundraising parties in every major city called

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<v Speaker 1>cocktail conspiracies, attracted all the left leaning glitterati of a

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<v Speaker 1>given town, Leonard and Felicia Bernstein threw a fundraiser in

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<v Speaker 1>their Park Avenue apartment. The Harrisburg Defense Committee became so

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<v Speaker 1>bloated and so hollywood that many insiders felt it could

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<v Speaker 1>be the death of the movement, which was exactly Hoover's

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<v Speaker 1>plan all along. If Harrisburg succeeded, shaky informants, grand jury,

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<v Speaker 1>fishing expeditions, trumped up charges, and death by due process

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<v Speaker 1>would be the government's playbook to crush the Left for

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<v Speaker 1>generations to come. As Harrisburg lumbered on, it became clear

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<v Speaker 1>to the movement rank and file that the only way

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<v Speaker 1>to strike back at Hoover to protect dissent for future

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<v Speaker 1>generations was to grab the brass ring. Throughout that spring

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen seventy one, Cookie Ridolfi had been working with

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<v Speaker 1>some local activists in Camden, New Jersey, over the river

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<v Speaker 1>from Philadelphia, as they say, searched for just the right action.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>I used to always say, there was the drama of Catonsville,

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<v Speaker 4>there was the tragedy of Harrisburg, which was a totally

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<v Speaker 4>bogus bolonnique charges, et cetera. And then there was the

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<v Speaker 4>comedy of Camden.

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<v Speaker 1>The Camden Locals had identified the downtown Federal Building to

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<v Speaker 1>be the place where they would do something serious.

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<v Speaker 3>The only problem was that it was a bit like

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<v Speaker 3>Fort Knox.

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<v Speaker 1>A post office on the first floor, an FBI field

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<v Speaker 1>office on the second, courtrooms on the third, Army intelligence

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<v Speaker 1>on the fourth, and all the draft records.

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<v Speaker 3>For the entire city on the fifth.

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<v Speaker 1>Cookie and John Peter Grady had shown them how to

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<v Speaker 1>case and gotten them started, But the Camden Locals had

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<v Speaker 1>unwittingly chosen the most ambitious and complex target of.

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<v Speaker 3>Any raids to date.

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<v Speaker 1>The Camden Locals centered around a parish priest off the

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<v Speaker 1>boat from Ireland named Father Michael Doyle. Father Doyle and

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<v Speaker 1>his crew began casing the Federal Building in earnest, studying

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<v Speaker 1>the security guardar it's patterns from a darkened church portico

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<v Speaker 1>across the street, but the building felt too impenetrable. Try

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<v Speaker 1>as they might to learn the comings and goings of

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<v Speaker 1>the place, none of them could figure out how the

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<v Speaker 1>hell to get into it. Then one night, as Father

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<v Speaker 1>Doyle approached the dinner meeting of the Camden Locals, he

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<v Speaker 1>noticed a man in a suit following him, so he

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<v Speaker 1>walked past the door of the house where the meeting

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<v Speaker 1>was to be held, pulled out a piece of paper

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<v Speaker 1>and began ripping it up. He then tossed the ripped

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<v Speaker 1>up shreds into a dumpster and kept walking. When he

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<v Speaker 1>looked back, the man in the suit was looking in

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<v Speaker 1>the dumpster. That night, as they went out to surveil

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<v Speaker 1>the building, they were all followed aggressively and conspicuously by

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<v Speaker 1>multiple g men. Father Doyle and the Canden locals were

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<v Speaker 1>so spooked they decided.

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<v Speaker 3>To call off the action completely.

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<v Speaker 1>The FBI was probably onto them and the building was impenetrable.

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<v Speaker 1>Their hopes of red As erecting the movement were dashed.

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<v Speaker 1>Hoover had won. But the next day one of the

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<v Speaker 1>Camden locals went to hang out with a fellow parishioner

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<v Speaker 1>of Father Doyle's, a contractor and handyman named Bob Hardy.

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<v Speaker 1>He spilled his guts to Hardy about the abandoned raid,

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<v Speaker 1>and Hardy consoled him, betting he could probably figure out

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<v Speaker 1>a way into the building. Hardy was an ex marine,

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<v Speaker 1>although as many ex marines will tell you, there's no

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<v Speaker 1>such thing as an ex marine, and a Catholic convert

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<v Speaker 1>brought into the church by Father Doyle. He'd worked as

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<v Speaker 1>a longshoreman and wept as he unloaded GI caskets from Vietnam.

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<v Speaker 1>After hearing about the abandoned raid, he joined up with

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<v Speaker 1>the Camden locals on the spot. Bob Hardy was just

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<v Speaker 1>what the Camden locals needed. Now they had a new

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<v Speaker 1>lease on life. A few days later, Hardy and another

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<v Speaker 1>activist paid a visit to the Camden Federal Building in

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<v Speaker 1>broad daylight. First, with Bob Hardy taking the lead, they

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<v Speaker 1>strode into the draft board on the fifth floor and

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<v Speaker 1>they said they were working with a nearby prison and

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<v Speaker 1>asked to check about the draft status of their detainees.

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<v Speaker 1>That showed them where the one A files were kept. Next,

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<v Speaker 1>they went down to the courtroom, where Hardy saw some

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<v Speaker 1>workmen and said do you mind if some.

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<v Speaker 3>Taxpayers have a look around.

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<v Speaker 1>They studied the fire escape and the window alarms to

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<v Speaker 1>their hearts content. Finally, they strode into the alley behind

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<v Speaker 1>the building where some mailmen were eating their lunch. Hardy

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<v Speaker 1>looked up at the fire escape and just blatantly said,

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<v Speaker 1>say you've got a fire alarm on that ladder?

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<v Speaker 3>Doja?

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<v Speaker 1>And the mailman unalarmed said yep, it goes off when

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<v Speaker 1>you pull it down. And just like that, they had

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<v Speaker 1>gathered more intel in two hours than months of casing

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<v Speaker 1>had yielded. The group's spirits were so lifted by Bob

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<v Speaker 1>Hardy's brio they decided to do the raid after all.

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<v Speaker 1>But Hardy told them if they were really going to

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<v Speaker 1>do this right, they were going to need a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more raiders. So the call went out up and down

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<v Speaker 1>the East Coast, Come to Camden. It's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>the most complicated, the largest and the greatest possible last

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<v Speaker 1>stand we could ever possibly pull against the war and

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<v Speaker 1>against Hoover. I'm Brendan Patrick Hughes, and this is Divine Intervention,

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<v Speaker 1>Chapter eight.

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<v Speaker 3>What do we eat? Eagle Meat?

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<v Speaker 4>We did all the preliminary work for months, and then

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<v Speaker 4>at some point, as the action got closer, people out

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<v Speaker 4>of town would come in, and Tozy was one of

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<v Speaker 4>those people.

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah Toci and Paul Cooming arrived in late July. Paul

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<v Speaker 1>had just come from covertly making omelets with Sarah's FBI

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<v Speaker 1>brother in New Jersey, and.

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<v Speaker 5>There were other people from all over the East Coast

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<v Speaker 5>had come in to.

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<v Speaker 1>Help out, including Bob Williamson, who had been an inside

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<v Speaker 1>man on the media raid, but of course no one

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<v Speaker 1>in Camden knew that.

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<v Speaker 4>Bob Williamson, whose name at the time was weed X.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll call Bob Williamson weed X from now on, partly

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<v Speaker 1>because there were so many Bobs in this story, but

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<v Speaker 1>mostly because that nickname kicks ass.

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<v Speaker 6>My records if they were still in that Canada draft board,

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<v Speaker 6>because that was my draft board.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like Paul Cooming going after his draft file in

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<v Speaker 1>Dorchester during the Boston eight. Weed X was well aware

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<v Speaker 1>of a piece of paper in that building that held

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<v Speaker 1>the key to his fate and he wanted it back.

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<v Speaker 6>So they probably had a file on me and there somewhere.

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<v Speaker 6>So I started helping with the casing it for Camden

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<v Speaker 6>and just helping to put the action together.

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<v Speaker 7>Wison called me up and said we want to go

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<v Speaker 7>to a party.

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<v Speaker 1>Weed X then called his media co conspirator, Keith Forsyth,

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<v Speaker 1>the one who had picked the lock in the hallway,

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<v Speaker 1>and brought him into the Camden fray.

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<v Speaker 7>And I said I might yeah, So he invited me

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<v Speaker 7>to meet the Camden twenty eight people.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, neither would ever speak of their role in

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<v Speaker 1>the media burglary. Among themselves or with anyone else.

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<v Speaker 5>John Peter Grady was there and the m mouster had

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<v Speaker 5>come down.

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<v Speaker 8>I understood that people chose it because it was such

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<v Speaker 8>a poverty ridden community and because there were so many

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<v Speaker 8>people being drafted from Camden.

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<v Speaker 1>Camden had boomed with a Campbell soup factory up until

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen fifties, but over the sixties had been hit

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<v Speaker 1>severely by layoffs and was now destitute, with blocks of

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<v Speaker 1>derelic buildings and poor, young, underemployed men sitting like ducks

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<v Speaker 1>for the draft. In July of nineteen seventy one, local

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<v Speaker 1>Camden families had just welcomed home the one hundredth soldier's

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<v Speaker 1>body from Vietnam. The raiders arrived from up and down

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<v Speaker 1>the seaboard. A certain merriness about what they were doing

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<v Speaker 1>had taken hold. Bob Hardy's entrance on the scene had

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<v Speaker 1>instilled the new confidence, and the FBI tales had all

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<v Speaker 1>but vanished.

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<v Speaker 4>There was a lot of singing and continuing to be positive,

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<v Speaker 4>regardless of how scary things could get for us, and

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<v Speaker 4>there was just a lot of spirit.

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<v Speaker 1>To get to Camden without her. Twenty four to seven

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<v Speaker 1>FBI tail following her there and to avoid being subpoena

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<v Speaker 1>as an unindicted co conspirator in the Harrisburg trial, Cookie

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<v Speaker 1>had disguised herself in her brother's work uniform and escaped

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<v Speaker 1>her mother's house in a heating oil truck. Now she

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<v Speaker 1>was staying in Camden full time and had fallen in

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<v Speaker 1>love with everyone involved.

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<v Speaker 4>It would like pull you in because of the energy

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<v Speaker 4>of the group in Camden. It was like that, and

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<v Speaker 4>John Grady had a lot to do with it, because

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<v Speaker 4>he was that kind of charismatic band.

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<v Speaker 1>John Peter Grady we've heard his name, was the co

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<v Speaker 1>chairman of the Catonsville Nine Defense Committee. He was the

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<v Speaker 1>guy who ran Iron Mountain, the resistance book distributor in

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<v Speaker 1>them Bronx, where Anne Walsh and many others first got

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<v Speaker 1>involved with the raids. By many accounts, he was a

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<v Speaker 1>larger than life figure. Men found him gregarious and a

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<v Speaker 1>natural born leader. Women, from what I've been told, were

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<v Speaker 1>reasonably more wary. After the Barrigins went to jail, he

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<v Speaker 1>became the de facto leader of the movement and had

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<v Speaker 1>evolved into one hell of a cat burglar. He was

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<v Speaker 1>also the FBI's chief suspects, although wrongly so in the

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<v Speaker 1>media Pennsylvania Field Office break in. As all the new

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<v Speaker 1>raiders arrived, they discovered that this raid had a new

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<v Speaker 1>man in charge who seemed to be buying to oust

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<v Speaker 1>John Peter Grady. Bob Hardy, the local contractor who got

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<v Speaker 1>the raid back on its feet.

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<v Speaker 5>He was a handyman, and he worked with his hands

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<v Speaker 5>for a lover.

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<v Speaker 4>He knew a lot about tools.

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<v Speaker 8>He was like a jack of all trades, comperenture with

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<v Speaker 8>a wife and children who lived in town, who thought

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<v Speaker 8>this was a great idea. His parish priest sort of

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<v Speaker 8>drew him in.

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<v Speaker 1>Already started supplying weekly groceries for the raiders who were

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<v Speaker 1>in from out of town. When they needed tools, he

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<v Speaker 1>would bring them. But he was a bit more of

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<v Speaker 1>a civilian than his bohemian counterparts.

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<v Speaker 6>I remember he introduced himself. I remember right away thinking

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<v Speaker 6>this guy, I don't know what this guy's doing here.

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<v Speaker 3>Weed X aka Bob Williamson.

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<v Speaker 6>He was older, he was socially awkward. He did not

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<v Speaker 6>look anything like any of the people that I had

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<v Speaker 6>ever broken into a draft board with.

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<v Speaker 3>But what Bob Hardy lacked in street cred he more

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<v Speaker 3>than made up.

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<v Speaker 8>For and know how he was always saying, oh, you

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<v Speaker 8>need ropes, Oh, I have ropes on my troupy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 8>box cut is, you know, whatever, the little tools we

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<v Speaker 8>needed for the thing. He was always there at the ready,

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<v Speaker 8>and with.

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<v Speaker 1>Bob in the mix, the Raiders decided to go big.

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<v Speaker 1>Once inside the Federal Building, they would hit the draft board,

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI Field Office, and the Office of Military Intelligence,

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<v Speaker 1>which George Carlin liked to joke was an oxymorn like

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<v Speaker 1>jumbo shrimp.

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<v Speaker 8>The building housed the FBI office, the IM Intelligence Office

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<v Speaker 8>in the draft. It was in the courthouse, Federal Courthouse

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<v Speaker 8>and Camden, so it was kind of like a you know, trifecta.

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<v Speaker 1>So now it was time to get down to the

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<v Speaker 1>business of mad cap heists for peace, starting with a

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<v Speaker 1>new round of intense casing.

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<v Speaker 7>There was a ton of people. I'd never seen that

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<v Speaker 7>many people involved in one action.

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<v Speaker 8>Before prep work. Let's look at the building. What time

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<v Speaker 8>do the lights go on and off?

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<v Speaker 4>What we would do is go out for hours at

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<v Speaker 4>a time, and we would go out boy girl, so

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<v Speaker 4>that we would look like the cops came. It would

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<v Speaker 4>look like we were just making out. Me and Coombing

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<v Speaker 4>would go or me and one of the priests would

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<v Speaker 4>go and we would sit there.

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<v Speaker 8>Is there a guard, Where does the guard walk? When's

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<v Speaker 8>the pattern of the guard? How could we avoid the guard?

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<v Speaker 4>Basically, what we would do is we would take notes

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<v Speaker 4>about what was happening inside the building throughout the night.

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<v Speaker 4>What we had to do is to figure out when

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<v Speaker 4>would it be safest to go in.

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<v Speaker 6>There was an apartment building that we used to go

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<v Speaker 6>up to the roof of and we had a view

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<v Speaker 6>of the Federal Building.

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<v Speaker 4>So we'd have maybe two cars from two different sides

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<v Speaker 4>of the building watching to see when lights went on

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<v Speaker 4>and off.

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<v Speaker 1>From Bob Hardy, they learned the guard had a special

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<v Speaker 1>key that he would have to put in certain locks

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<v Speaker 1>on the walls of the corridors at certain times of

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<v Speaker 1>night for fire insurance, to prove there was someone patrolling

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<v Speaker 1>the floor.

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<v Speaker 4>And then after several weeks or a month or whatever,

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<v Speaker 4>we knew there were patterns. We knew that the guard

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<v Speaker 4>was in this part of the building at this time,

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<v Speaker 4>at this part of the building in this time, and

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<v Speaker 4>from that we chose our times to act.

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<v Speaker 6>From there, we could see the back of the building

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<v Speaker 6>where the fire escape was that led up to where

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<v Speaker 6>the draft board was we were able to see all

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<v Speaker 6>the floors of the building.

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<v Speaker 1>The building was more complicated than any other raid had

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<v Speaker 1>ever attempted to penetrate.

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<v Speaker 7>I did a little bit of teaching of people how

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<v Speaker 7>to pick locks and some stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 6>And then somebody would make a big sort of poster

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<v Speaker 6>board layout of analysis of all of the relevant information,

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<v Speaker 6>sort of categorized by things like janitors or security guards.

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<v Speaker 1>But with Hardy's know how, they hatched a plan that

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<v Speaker 1>involved getting eight people up a ladder in twenty two seconds,

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<v Speaker 1>and not just any ladder.

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<v Speaker 6>Not a step ladder, but an extension ladder. Somebody decided

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<v Speaker 6>that we needed to practice climbing this ladder, so the

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<v Speaker 6>ladder was stuck up against I think it was maybe

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<v Speaker 6>Bob Hardy's garage or something in an alley behind his house.

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<v Speaker 1>Extension ladders will break your arm if you don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what you're doing, especially with eight people carrying equipment, only

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<v Speaker 1>having about two and three quarters seconds each to scale

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen feet.

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<v Speaker 6>And I can't imagine what the neighbors would have thought

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<v Speaker 6>of it. But he's standing there with a stopwatch and

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<v Speaker 6>timing us, you know, getting up the ladder onto the

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<v Speaker 6>roof of his garage or whatever. I just thought it

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<v Speaker 6>was hilarious that that was something we needed to practice.

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<v Speaker 3>This was going to be incredibly intense.

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<v Speaker 1>Cookie had always played a strategic, behind the scenes role

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<v Speaker 1>in the action she planned with Grady, but for Camden,

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<v Speaker 1>she decided she was going in. She would lead the

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<v Speaker 1>raiders up the fire escape and be the one to

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<v Speaker 1>cut the glass window.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe it was while I was processing all this information

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<v Speaker 4>and thinking about people across the world personal way, think

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<v Speaker 4>about Vietnamese families, just imagining what it must be like,

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<v Speaker 4>and I started thinking them as my neighbors and people

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<v Speaker 4>that I knew. And when I started personalizing it that way,

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<v Speaker 4>it became more of an imperative to me to act.

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<v Speaker 3>They began to take on their assignments for the raid.

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<v Speaker 4>By that I was pretty committed to whatever what had

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<v Speaker 4>to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Some would be lookouts, some would be drivers, and some

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<v Speaker 1>would be putting their head in the lion's mouth.

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<v Speaker 4>I was excited, but I don't mean like in a

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<v Speaker 4>happy way. I was just I was excited.

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<v Speaker 1>A week before the raid, Bob Hardy insisted they do

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<v Speaker 1>a dry run of the very complicated plan to penetrate

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<v Speaker 1>the building on the night of the rehearsal. There were

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<v Speaker 1>eight raiders who would go into the building. There were

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<v Speaker 1>four lookouts stationed across the street, and there were eight drivers,

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<v Speaker 1>all with synchronized watches, working in a complicated dance.

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<v Speaker 5>Basically, you go with everybody you're going to use that night,

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<v Speaker 5>everybody in sync at the exact time of night that

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<v Speaker 5>you're going to try to break into the draft board.

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Hardy's van then reversed into the alley behind the building.

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<v Speaker 5>Off We even opened up the back of the thing

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<v Speaker 5>and put the ladder up to see how it was

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<v Speaker 5>going to fit. We had never actually done it before.

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<v Speaker 1>The eight raiders had to get the ladder against the

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<v Speaker 1>metal canopy atop a post office loading dogs.

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<v Speaker 5>It was a docking area for trucks to back into

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<v Speaker 5>the post office, and this was an awning that went

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<v Speaker 5>out over It was a pretty sturdial awning that you

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<v Speaker 5>could walk on and walked carefully and quietly.

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<v Speaker 3>Because it made noise fourteen feet up, and.

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<v Speaker 5>We knew that we could get up. We had already

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<v Speaker 5>practiced growing up and down the ladder, so we knew

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<v Speaker 5>we had to practice some more, but we knew that

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<v Speaker 5>it was doable.

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<v Speaker 1>On the night of the raid, they would skidter across

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<v Speaker 1>the canopy to the fire escape.

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<v Speaker 5>Then you brought a ladder with you and got up

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<v Speaker 5>against the fire escape even another little bit. Because the

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<v Speaker 5>fire escape was pulled down, an alarm was going to

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<v Speaker 5>automatically go off. Bob Hardy had spotted that, told us

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<v Speaker 5>about it, made sure that we weren't going to set

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<v Speaker 5>off any alarms on the way.

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<v Speaker 1>They would then climb the fire escape to the fifth floorrapy,

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<v Speaker 1>where they would bypass the window alarms by cutting through

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<v Speaker 1>the glass. On the night of the rehearsal, everything went

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<v Speaker 1>according to plan.

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<v Speaker 5>So it's just a drill practice doing all the steps

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<v Speaker 5>and it all went pretty well.

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<v Speaker 1>But Bob Hardy didn't like how it went.

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<v Speaker 5>Bob Hardy was very upset afterwards.

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<v Speaker 1>Emotions were starting to flare. What they were trying to

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<v Speaker 1>do had never been done before, and Hardy's demand for

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<v Speaker 1>precision felt a little unattainable. But despite Bob's hang ups,

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<v Speaker 1>the raid was now set for the following Saturday night.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a few days before the night of the raid,

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<v Speaker 1>during a traffic stop in downtown Camden, two police officers

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<v Speaker 1>beat a Puerto Rican resident who would later die from,

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<v Speaker 1>according to the autopsy, a blow to the groin. The

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<v Speaker 1>following night, Camden's Puerto Rican community entered into open rebellion.

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<v Speaker 1>Fires were set throughout downtown. More than fifty injuries were reported,

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<v Speaker 1>and additional state troopers were called in to supplement Camden's

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<v Speaker 1>police force.

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<v Speaker 8>There were riots happening in Campden the weekend of the action.

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<v Speaker 4>Because about a week before the action, Camden police killed

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<v Speaker 4>a Puerto Rican kit motorists.

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<v Speaker 1>From the apartment they used as their headquarters, just two

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<v Speaker 1>blocks from the Camden building. The Raiders watched in horror

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<v Speaker 1>as the city burned.

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<v Speaker 4>There was looting, and I can remember we were standing

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<v Speaker 4>in the window at the window looking across the street

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<v Speaker 4>and seeing these kids running in and out of these stores,

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<v Speaker 4>breaking windows, running out, running in getting stuff, slathering themselves

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<v Speaker 4>with vasoline, which I later learned they did that because

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<v Speaker 4>of the cops that grabbed them. They would slip out.

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<v Speaker 4>It was like one of those things ago. This have

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<v Speaker 4>to remember this, This is like a dream. Am I

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<v Speaker 4>really watching this? And this is in television? And the

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<v Speaker 4>streets were just insane, and there were cops everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only were the cops everywhere, but the mayor had

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<v Speaker 1>imposed a curfew here.

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<v Speaker 4>We are trying to do an action in mild Ale.

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<v Speaker 7>This just a few days from the planned date of

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<v Speaker 7>the action. Somebody had to go out and get groceries

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<v Speaker 7>because we were you know, twenty eight people eat a

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<v Speaker 7>lot of food, and so Bob Hardy volunteered, I'll go.

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<v Speaker 1>Keith Forsyth and Bob Hardy climbed into Bob's van and

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<v Speaker 1>headed out to the grocery store. Hardy seemed to be

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<v Speaker 1>having second thoughts.

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<v Speaker 7>So Hardy says to me, what do you think you

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<v Speaker 7>think this is really I think it's really going to go.

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<v Speaker 7>There's an awful lot of police on the streets and stuff.

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<v Speaker 7>And I said, yeah, but you know, not so much

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<v Speaker 7>in this neighborhood, you know, right where the draft board is.

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<v Speaker 7>And he was like, it has to go no matter what.

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<v Speaker 4>He said.

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<v Speaker 7>You know what about the guard. You know, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 7>what about the guard? We know what his routine is.

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<v Speaker 7>Just have to be you know, avoid him and be

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<v Speaker 7>quiet inside. And he goes, well, I got something, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>in case the guard is a problem, open the glocal apartment.

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<v Speaker 7>I opened the glocal apartment. There's a snubnosed revolver in there.

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<v Speaker 7>And I'm like, are you out of your fucking mind?

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<v Speaker 7>If you think I'm going to carry a gun in

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<v Speaker 7>and shoot a minimum wage security guard, there's something wrong

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<v Speaker 7>with you. And I told Bob Williamson, I said, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>I think this guy Hardy's a cop.

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Williamson aka Weed ex, Keith's fellow media conspirator, assured

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<v Speaker 1>him that things were just very tense as a result

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<v Speaker 1>of the rioting and they could probably trust Hardy. Besides,

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<v Speaker 1>he was a member of Father Doyle's parish and really

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<v Speaker 1>good friends with some of the local raiders.

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<v Speaker 7>He says, you know, you always get nervous on the

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<v Speaker 7>night of the action.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm like, well, you know that's true. I do get nervous,

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<v Speaker 7>and I let it go.

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<v Speaker 1>But Bob Hardy gave a lot of people the feeling

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<v Speaker 1>of a linebacker reluctantly having to be in Romeo and

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<v Speaker 1>Juliet for college credit.

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<v Speaker 4>He was an ex marine, you know, and he shows

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<v Speaker 4>up and he's this really big, light hair full of himself.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, every word he spoke had importance. Talk to

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<v Speaker 4>Lee and she'll tell you, you know, we were They're

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<v Speaker 4>not crazy about this guy at all.

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<v Speaker 8>He asked us if we thought we should have a

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<v Speaker 8>gun at the Camden draft Wood action. And it was

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<v Speaker 8>like a gun.

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<v Speaker 5>And I met the very first night I met Bob Hardy.

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<v Speaker 1>Although Paul the man with the largest heart in the universe,

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<v Speaker 1>felt otherwise, and.

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<v Speaker 5>I liked him like that right off the bat. I

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<v Speaker 5>really liked him, this great guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday night arrived, they gathered around several tables for a

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<v Speaker 1>final dinner, and thirteen men all happened to sit at

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<v Speaker 1>one long table. They joked that it was the last

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<v Speaker 1>supper and wondered who might be Judas they had a

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<v Speaker 1>big decision to make the curfew and the riots had

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<v Speaker 1>police and stadies prowling the streets, the Canden Raiders had

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<v Speaker 1>a hard look.

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<v Speaker 3>At one another and they decided to go for it.

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<v Speaker 5>Despite the fact that there was tear gas in the

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<v Speaker 5>street and everything. They went right through it.

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<v Speaker 3>Go time.

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<v Speaker 4>We all loaded into Bob Party's van. It was a

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<v Speaker 4>big white sort of box van.

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<v Speaker 1>The eight Raiders climbed inside a little Winnebago with their

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<v Speaker 1>ladder and two just like they practiced. But I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>you're thinking eight people climbing a ladder in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of downtown Canden would be conspicuous anytime of day, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so I have.

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<v Speaker 4>To I'll show you this. I feel it this way.

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<v Speaker 4>You can see in this drawing that this is Cooper Street,

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<v Speaker 4>Main Drag. The post office is here.

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<v Speaker 1>So Cookie showed me the ingenious way. The raiders made

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<v Speaker 1>sure they could remain inconspicuous.

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<v Speaker 4>This was a one way street.

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<v Speaker 1>The Canden Federal Building, known as the Post Office and Courthouse,

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<v Speaker 1>was at four to Oho one Market Street, on the

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<v Speaker 1>north side of the street facing south, with Fourth Street

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<v Speaker 1>running down its west side. They drove up Fourth Street

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<v Speaker 1>to the loading dock behind the building, and.

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<v Speaker 4>We had to block traffic from being able to go

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<v Speaker 4>in any place where they could see us because we

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<v Speaker 4>were down. I'll make this quigly line be the alley.

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<v Speaker 1>They had timed the stoplights at the four intersections surrounding

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<v Speaker 1>the building and realized they had at best the length

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<v Speaker 1>of one stoplight to set up the ladder twenty two seconds,

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<v Speaker 1>but they needed insurance.

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<v Speaker 4>The plan was that there would be cars situated in

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<v Speaker 4>various parts around the building, so we had a car

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<v Speaker 4>come up stop.

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<v Speaker 3>Here to buy some time.

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<v Speaker 1>The eight drivers, including Sarah Tosi, Leanne Mosha, Keith Forsythe

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<v Speaker 1>and Bob Hardy would simultaneously pretend to break down in

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<v Speaker 1>the four surrounding intersections.

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<v Speaker 5>All the cars blocked the streets so that the truck

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<v Speaker 5>that's carrying the eight of us that are going to

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<v Speaker 5>go inside the building has enough time to back right

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<v Speaker 5>up to the platform in the post office.

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<v Speaker 4>And then we had people get out of the car

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<v Speaker 4>and lift the hood of the car that act like

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<v Speaker 4>they had car trouble, but it blocked the whole street

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<v Speaker 4>so no one could go up the street, so no

0:23:35.880 --> 0:23:37.959
<v Speaker 4>one could turn into that street like the police. And

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<v Speaker 4>we had another car somewhere else doing the same thing.

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<v Speaker 3>This was at a time when cars broke down a lot.

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<v Speaker 5>We got the streets all blocked off and they had.

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<v Speaker 3>A system of lookouts all on walkie talkies.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a house down the street where we had people

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<v Speaker 4>with a walkie talkie and.

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<v Speaker 3>A church across the street with an entrance.

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<v Speaker 4>With a little chapel kind of top on. It got

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<v Speaker 4>a chapel, I think it called it the parapet or no,

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<v Speaker 4>not a parapet. That was the portico, yeah, portico.

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<v Speaker 3>Four lookouts watched the building security guard.

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<v Speaker 4>From the portico, and then we pulled into the back

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<v Speaker 4>of the post office and we jumped out of the van.

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<v Speaker 4>We had a ladder with us. As a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 4>it was there that we borrowed mail bags. So we

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<v Speaker 4>get on the platform. We put the ladder up to

0:24:18.880 --> 0:24:21.359
<v Speaker 4>that story. We scurry up the ladder. We pulled the

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<v Speaker 4>ladder up with us, and then we go up the

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<v Speaker 4>fire escape.

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<v Speaker 1>Cookie had learned how to use a glass cutter and

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<v Speaker 1>practiced on several windows. They climbed up the fire escape

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<v Speaker 1>to the parapet on the roof. She taped up the glass,

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<v Speaker 1>cut a hole, hammered it out and opened the window,

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<v Speaker 1>just like in Mission Impossible, and they all leapt down

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<v Speaker 1>four feet onto the carridor floor.

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<v Speaker 4>We cut the glass and opened the window and we

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<v Speaker 4>went in.

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<v Speaker 3>They were in.

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<v Speaker 4>So you're in a large office space. There's files, there's desks,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a big open space. We're working there. We're in

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<v Speaker 4>there at least an hour and a half or two hours.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't remember how long.

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<v Speaker 1>They used Bob's industrial grade bolt cutters to get into

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<v Speaker 1>the padlocked filing cabinets.

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<v Speaker 4>We had divided up the draft board into one A

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<v Speaker 4>files in different categories, but the one I files were

0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:12.760
<v Speaker 4>priority files because those were the kids ready to be drafted,

0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:14.960
<v Speaker 4>but ready to be sent to war. And we had

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<v Speaker 4>to shakecase the room so we knew where the files were,

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<v Speaker 4>and we had little pen flashlights because it was we

0:25:20.520 --> 0:25:22.920
<v Speaker 4>had to keep the room dark. I had been mine

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<v Speaker 4>in my mouth and I was doing my little thing

0:25:25.280 --> 0:25:27.400
<v Speaker 4>and pulling out the files and packing the bags.

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<v Speaker 1>It was an incredibly hot and humid night, so some

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<v Speaker 1>of the raiders went out onto the roof parapet to work,

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<v Speaker 1>but they had to crouch that they wouldn't be spotted

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<v Speaker 1>by curfew helicopters.

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<v Speaker 5>I was on walkie talkie and my handle was called little.

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<v Speaker 1>Man Little Big Man. Paul Cooming was stationed on the

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<v Speaker 1>parapet as a lookout.

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<v Speaker 5>Most of the people were inside of the draft board

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<v Speaker 5>filling sacks paper or tearing up flow cards, or making

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<v Speaker 5>sure they got everything and putting in the mail sacks.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul's specific job was to make sure the security guard

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<v Speaker 1>never came to the fifth floor.

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<v Speaker 5>He never circulated through the building at night. His last

0:26:05.720 --> 0:26:09.240
<v Speaker 5>trip was before we ever entered the building. So my

0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:13.240
<v Speaker 5>response was trained to be God is coming, I see

0:26:13.280 --> 0:26:15.320
<v Speaker 5>your guard's coming. And I also had a rope tied

0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:16.960
<v Speaker 5>to me, and I was supposed to pull the rope

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<v Speaker 5>in case the walkie talking didn't work, that the person

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<v Speaker 5>on the other end of the rope would get yanked

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<v Speaker 5>at the waist, and he'd realized that they should sit down.

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<v Speaker 5>The idea was that they would sit on the floor

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<v Speaker 5>and wait to be arrested by this one guy rather

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<v Speaker 5>than try to scamper and get out quick.

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<v Speaker 1>Just after four am, the raiders decided to skip the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI office and the Army intelligence since sunrise was imminent.

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<v Speaker 5>Someone on the ground pass how are you proceeding? And

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<v Speaker 5>I asked the people in the board and they said

0:26:51.480 --> 0:26:54.120
<v Speaker 5>they would be done in a few minutes, so they

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<v Speaker 5>were going to need to be picked up and such

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<v Speaker 5>a time.

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<v Speaker 1>At four point thirty, the drivers were two blocks away

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<v Speaker 1>at the headquarters, getting ready to take their places.

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<v Speaker 8>I was in the command central with a few other people,

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<v Speaker 8>including Bob.

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<v Speaker 3>Hardy Leanne Mosha, who said, I think.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm gonna go out and pick up some cheese steaks sandwiches.

0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:10.920
<v Speaker 8>He said.

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<v Speaker 1>As Bob Hardy went out for celebratory cheese steaks, the

0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:17.200
<v Speaker 1>raiders in the draft board started throwing stuffed mail bags

0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:19.479
<v Speaker 1>from the parapet down to a second floor landing.

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<v Speaker 4>So sometime we're there for a while and I hear

0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:30.040
<v Speaker 4>we hear footsteps, and then I hear, really faintly, I

0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:35.000
<v Speaker 4>hear FBI raid and I look and I think I

0:27:35.040 --> 0:27:39.440
<v Speaker 4>think it's Bob Williamson. And I'm like, that is not funny, Bob.

0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:42.520
<v Speaker 5>And just then as that I think I'm over, I

0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:44.879
<v Speaker 5>turned around and I looked at him as it wasn't

0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:47.840
<v Speaker 5>just the guard, it was four people coming up that

0:27:47.880 --> 0:27:49.679
<v Speaker 5>staircase to arrest me.

0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:53.800
<v Speaker 4>But moments later, I start to see the silhouettes of

0:27:53.960 --> 0:27:56.560
<v Speaker 4>men coming in the windows. We could just see the

0:27:56.600 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 4>silhouettes of these bodies and they're opening windows in their claes.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm in the windows, so.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm yelling the guard is coming, The guard is coming,

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<v Speaker 5>into a walkie talkie as I pull away from the

0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:11.880
<v Speaker 5>window and not comprehending that why is there more than

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<v Speaker 5>one guard?

0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:12.679
<v Speaker 6>You know?

0:28:13.280 --> 0:28:16.760
<v Speaker 1>At that moment at the apartment headquarters, the front and

0:28:16.800 --> 0:28:21.080
<v Speaker 1>back doors were kicked in simultaneously and federal agents rushed in.

0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:24.720
<v Speaker 1>As Paul's voice continued screaming over the walkie talkie.

0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:26.720
<v Speaker 5>I got saying the guard's coming, The guards coming, The

0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:30.240
<v Speaker 5>Guard's coming, because I didn't know what else to say.

0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:31.960
<v Speaker 3>But Paul's contact was dealing with his own shit.

0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:35.800
<v Speaker 5>He was cursing at me on the walkie hockey, saying, Paul,

0:28:35.960 --> 0:28:38.320
<v Speaker 5>shut up, we know what we know. The guards here.

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<v Speaker 1>At this time, Sarah, Leanne and Keith were about to

0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:43.440
<v Speaker 1>leave to block the intersections.

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<v Speaker 7>I heard all those tires squealing in the parking lot

0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:49.560
<v Speaker 7>at three in the morning or whenever. It was like. Instantly,

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<v Speaker 7>I said to the other people in the room. I

0:28:51.240 --> 0:28:53.000
<v Speaker 7>looked up and said, we're busted.

0:28:52.760 --> 0:28:55.960
<v Speaker 8>FBI agents with the jackets, with FBI in the back, guns,

0:28:56.040 --> 0:28:59.000
<v Speaker 8>big guns drawn. Put your hands up, it's the FBI.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a it's a eight.

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<v Speaker 8>And every window in this little rectory was lit up

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:07.920
<v Speaker 8>by these guys rushing in the doorways, the windows up

0:29:07.920 --> 0:29:10.960
<v Speaker 8>against the wall. Spread your legs. It was terrifying.

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<v Speaker 7>One of them had a shotgun, and I remember the

0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:16.760
<v Speaker 7>shotgun very firmly, because they lined us up against the wall.

0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:19.800
<v Speaker 7>And I turned around and made some kind of a joke.

0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:23.040
<v Speaker 7>I make a lot of smart ass remarks, and the

0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:25.560
<v Speaker 7>guy with the shotgun pushed my face back up against

0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:28.120
<v Speaker 7>the wall with the business end of the shotting. They

0:29:28.200 --> 0:29:31.560
<v Speaker 7>knew who all these people were. I mean there were

0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:34.880
<v Speaker 7>twenty eight people. Twenty seven of them were pacifist, half

0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:36.840
<v Speaker 7>of them were priests. For God's sake.

0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:39.880
<v Speaker 1>Two blocks away, Paul stood on the parapet of the

0:29:39.880 --> 0:29:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Federal building, frozen in fear.

0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:44.520
<v Speaker 5>I turned around and I saw the whole building was

0:29:44.560 --> 0:29:47.280
<v Speaker 5>lit up, and I said, no, wonder the guards coming.

0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:48.240
<v Speaker 5>They turned the lights on.

0:29:49.040 --> 0:29:51.720
<v Speaker 1>All of a sudden, all of the lights in the

0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:54.800
<v Speaker 1>building came on, and the front of the building was

0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:56.280
<v Speaker 1>doused in floodlights.

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<v Speaker 5>Every place we had lookouts through they were there, and

0:30:00.600 --> 0:30:03.800
<v Speaker 5>they just automatically at the same time on one signal,

0:30:04.120 --> 0:30:07.880
<v Speaker 5>arrested everybody.

0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:12.400
<v Speaker 1>Eighty wingtipped federal agents started popping up in every place.

0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:15.960
<v Speaker 1>A raider had been stationed, the portico, the apartment, the

0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:18.360
<v Speaker 1>driver's parking spots, the draft board.

0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:21.160
<v Speaker 3>The FBI had the drop on them the whole time,

0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:22.440
<v Speaker 3>and the jig was.

0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:27.040
<v Speaker 1>Up wearing baseball caps and dark blue windbreakers with FBI

0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:30.240
<v Speaker 1>and big white letters across their backs. The agents flooded

0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:32.240
<v Speaker 1>into the room through doors and windows.

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<v Speaker 4>It was like an out of body experience. They had

0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:38.400
<v Speaker 4>guns drawn on us. Guns. I mean, we were known

0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:40.600
<v Speaker 4>for being non violent. They had guns drawn on us

0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:44.560
<v Speaker 4>were surrounded by agents and they're grabbing hold of us.

0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:48.400
<v Speaker 4>Bob good was out on the parapet loading bags and

0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:51.840
<v Speaker 4>they threw him into the window. Cooming is dragged into

0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:54.480
<v Speaker 4>the room because he'd been grabbed over the other side

0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:57.840
<v Speaker 4>of the building. He's dragged into the room and they're

0:30:57.880 --> 0:30:58.920
<v Speaker 4>pretty abusive to him.

0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:01.560
<v Speaker 1>Paul Koming was the last one found in his hiding

0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:03.160
<v Speaker 1>place out on the parapet.

0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:06.680
<v Speaker 5>And they took me handcuffing behind my back, bent me over,

0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:10.560
<v Speaker 5>held me by the handcuffs and ran me the distance

0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:13.240
<v Speaker 5>of that flat roof to the edge of the roof

0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:16.560
<v Speaker 5>as if they're going to throw me off, then pulled

0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:19.600
<v Speaker 5>me back the last second, just to scare the shit

0:31:19.640 --> 0:31:20.040
<v Speaker 5>out of me.

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:23.400
<v Speaker 1>They brought Paul Coombing into the draft board, smashed him

0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:26.000
<v Speaker 1>into the filing cabinets a few times, then threw him

0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:29.720
<v Speaker 1>down on his stomach next to Cookie. Then bursting through

0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:33.640
<v Speaker 1>the doors came the government's chief prosecutor from the Harrisburg trial,

0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:37.880
<v Speaker 1>Guy Goodwin. Goodwin had become the head of Hoover's new

0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:40.680
<v Speaker 1>Left squad, whose job it was to take down the

0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:41.440
<v Speaker 1>Catholic left.

0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:44.440
<v Speaker 4>And Guy Goodwin has a radio in his hand, and

0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:47.440
<v Speaker 4>he's talking to someone and he's walked around the room

0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:50.280
<v Speaker 4>and he's counting us one, two, three, four, five, sixty seven. Okay,

0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:52.200
<v Speaker 4>we got them all. We got them all. And I

0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:55.520
<v Speaker 4>kept thinking to myself, this is I cannot believe this

0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:57.600
<v Speaker 4>is happening. It's like when you know you're seeing something

0:31:57.600 --> 0:32:00.720
<v Speaker 4>that you can't believe you're seeing you in a way

0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:04.520
<v Speaker 4>where I wasn't really afraid. All I kept thinking was

0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:07.880
<v Speaker 4>I have got to remember this to tell my friends,

0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:11.480
<v Speaker 4>because it was so unbelievable what I was looking at.

0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:13.320
<v Speaker 4>The whole room and all the people and all the

0:32:13.360 --> 0:32:14.040
<v Speaker 4>pushing around.

0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:17.680
<v Speaker 5>They knocked people down and jumped on their backs with

0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:21.360
<v Speaker 5>their knees. Fola Doyle was knocked to the ground and

0:32:21.400 --> 0:32:24.000
<v Speaker 5>he was handcoffed behind his back, and then the guy

0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:26.360
<v Speaker 5>pounced on him.

0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:29.400
<v Speaker 4>And so these two agents grab a hold of me,

0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:31.680
<v Speaker 4>and they're grabbing each one of us the same way

0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:33.520
<v Speaker 4>like they went to FBI school, right. So the idea

0:32:33.520 --> 0:32:35.560
<v Speaker 4>is you throw the person on the ground, you put

0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:37.760
<v Speaker 4>your knee into their lower back, you pull their hands up,

0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:40.960
<v Speaker 4>and you handcoff them. So that's happening all around me.

0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:43.040
<v Speaker 4>My two guys come, they throw me on the ground

0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:46.680
<v Speaker 4>and they're my bands are behind my back, and one

0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:48.960
<v Speaker 4>the agent says, give me the cuffs, and the other

0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:50.880
<v Speaker 4>one says, I thought you brought them.

0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:54.080
<v Speaker 1>The raiders later described the agents as being right out

0:32:54.120 --> 0:32:58.080
<v Speaker 1>of the academy, with baby faces and shaking guns. Television

0:32:58.080 --> 0:33:00.120
<v Speaker 1>would have you think the FBI does raids like this

0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:02.719
<v Speaker 1>every week. But it makes me wonder if they are

0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:03.880
<v Speaker 1>actually pretty rare.

0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:07.880
<v Speaker 4>So the boss comes along, the supervisor. His name is

0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:11.560
<v Speaker 4>Agent Snodgrass. I'll never forget. So Snodgrass comes along and

0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:13.960
<v Speaker 4>he goes, what's happening over here, and he goes, well,

0:33:13.960 --> 0:33:15.320
<v Speaker 4>I thought he had the cops, and he thought he

0:33:15.360 --> 0:33:18.440
<v Speaker 4>had the puffs, and they're explaining to their boss, and

0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:21.240
<v Speaker 4>he says, tire up with their belt. So they pull

0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:23.400
<v Speaker 4>my belt off and I didn't even get handcuffs that

0:33:23.400 --> 0:33:23.800
<v Speaker 4>first time.

0:33:23.920 --> 0:33:27.200
<v Speaker 1>As things settled down, Guy Goodwin took center stage.

0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:30.880
<v Speaker 4>So meantime, Guy Goodwin is walking around the room and

0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:33.000
<v Speaker 4>he's saying things to people to let them know he

0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:36.200
<v Speaker 4>knows who they are. So when he got to me,

0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:38.160
<v Speaker 4>he said, hey, cookie, how you do it? Is your

0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:42.040
<v Speaker 4>brother still playing the drums? My brother played the drums.

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<v Speaker 1>Goodwin knew their nicknames. He knew the names of their families,

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<v Speaker 1>and he made it clear that to the government this

0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:51.520
<v Speaker 1>was personal, but nowhere near as personal as it would

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<v Speaker 1>be for Sarah Toci.

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<v Speaker 4>Her brother was FBI. He arrested some of the people

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<v Speaker 4>he was on this arrest. When she was arrested, the

0:33:59.400 --> 0:34:01.680
<v Speaker 4>guy said, they're your Toazy's little sister.

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<v Speaker 1>This was supposed to be the raid that would prove

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<v Speaker 1>Descent could never be crushed by Hoover's wing tipped goons. Instead,

0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:15.160
<v Speaker 1>they all lay dejected on the floor, knees in their backs.

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<v Speaker 4>At some point, I hear a sort of croaky voice

0:34:23.080 --> 0:34:26.440
<v Speaker 4>say in it's sort of almost a whisper, what do

0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:28.800
<v Speaker 4>we eat? Do you know the story?

0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:32.880
<v Speaker 1>But then weed X did something totally bananas.

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<v Speaker 4>This comes from what we were rehearsing. We were rehearsing

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<v Speaker 4>going up and down the ladder and Paul Cooman's High

0:34:38.800 --> 0:34:40.960
<v Speaker 4>school when they had games, they had this thing where

0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:42.719
<v Speaker 4>some people would say what do we eat? And people

0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:44.879
<v Speaker 4>would say, eagle meat, What do we eat? Egle meat?

0:34:44.880 --> 0:34:45.480
<v Speaker 4>What do they eat?

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<v Speaker 3>Shit?

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<v Speaker 4>So I hear, I hear somebody in the room say

0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:54.520
<v Speaker 4>what do we eat? And I'm like, no. The rest

0:34:54.520 --> 0:34:58.000
<v Speaker 4>of us are of cough out eagle meat. And then

0:34:58.040 --> 0:35:00.759
<v Speaker 4>he says, where a stronger voice, what do we eat?

0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:03.840
<v Speaker 4>And we say eagle meat, and he says, what do

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<v Speaker 4>they eat? We say shit. The bosses in the FBA

0:35:07.600 --> 0:35:09.759
<v Speaker 4>agents who are bosses in the room are like, furious.

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<v Speaker 4>You can't say that, do Ke be quiet? I'm just

0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:14.320
<v Speaker 4>trying to yell at us. And then I looked to

0:35:14.360 --> 0:35:17.320
<v Speaker 4>the left and the door opens and they're dragging Paul

0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:21.560
<v Speaker 4>out of the room. And I felt so bad for Paul.

0:35:21.680 --> 0:35:23.799
<v Speaker 4>I didn't know what to say to help him. So

0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:26.399
<v Speaker 4>I said, don't worry Paul. We've got him on the run.

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<v Speaker 5>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>They were defeated. Hoover had struck a decisive blow, and

0:35:34.360 --> 0:35:38.399
<v Speaker 1>yet they still chanted. They eat shit right in the

0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:49.200
<v Speaker 1>FBI's face. After the arrest, the raiders were then hauled downstairs,

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<v Speaker 1>separated and interrogated.

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<v Speaker 4>So they take us down into these rooms and they

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<v Speaker 4>have each one of us in a separate room and

0:35:57.560 --> 0:36:01.080
<v Speaker 4>they start, you know, interrogating us, just like how did

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<v Speaker 4>a TV show? And I didn't know that the people

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<v Speaker 4>outside have been arrested.

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<v Speaker 8>It was an endless time to me, Leanne. They were

0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:12.239
<v Speaker 8>frisking us and I was put into a vehicle with

0:36:12.320 --> 0:36:14.040
<v Speaker 8>two FBI agents in the front seat. I was in

0:36:14.080 --> 0:36:17.480
<v Speaker 8>the backseat, and then we started driving around town and

0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:20.759
<v Speaker 8>they were saying, you know, it was stereotypical good cock,

0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:22.919
<v Speaker 8>bad cock. One guy was really mean, the other guy

0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:25.800
<v Speaker 8>was very nice, and I'm sure they were both Irish,

0:36:25.800 --> 0:36:29.400
<v Speaker 8>Catholic FBI agents, and they were saying things like, you know,

0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:32.800
<v Speaker 8>your friend John Grady spilled the beans. We've got everybody's

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<v Speaker 8>name and address.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, oldest trick in the book.

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<v Speaker 1>Cookie's interrogation was endless.

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<v Speaker 4>At some point, some agent comes in and says, John

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<v Speaker 4>Grady just spilled the beans. Spilled the beans. Really.

0:36:45.200 --> 0:36:48.480
<v Speaker 1>After Cookie's interrogator told her that John Grady had spilled

0:36:48.520 --> 0:36:51.480
<v Speaker 1>the beans, she burst out laughing, and then so did

0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:54.120
<v Speaker 1>he because they both knew how ridiculous it was.

0:36:54.400 --> 0:36:56.600
<v Speaker 4>Well, I didn't believe John would have made a statement.

0:36:56.760 --> 0:36:59.279
<v Speaker 4>Second of all, spill the beans? What movie? What did

0:36:59.320 --> 0:36:59.959
<v Speaker 4>that come from?

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<v Speaker 5>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>It was also nuts.

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<v Speaker 8>I didn't tell them my name. I never answered any

0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:07.080
<v Speaker 8>question they asked me. I just kept silent for a

0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:10.160
<v Speaker 8>few hours as we drove around town. And it was

0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:11.839
<v Speaker 8>the middle of the night, and then it was sort

0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:14.319
<v Speaker 8>of pre dawn and as we drove in and out

0:37:14.360 --> 0:37:17.040
<v Speaker 8>of Camden, I would see another car and realized it

0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:18.799
<v Speaker 8>was one of my friends, like in the back seat

0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:21.240
<v Speaker 8>of another and I would try and raise my manacle

0:37:21.280 --> 0:37:23.279
<v Speaker 8>of hands up the wave notes. I stopped doing that.

0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:25.520
<v Speaker 4>I look out the window and I see a mob

0:37:25.560 --> 0:37:28.880
<v Speaker 4>of people out there, and TV trucks and all this

0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:32.360
<v Speaker 4>press and people in the streets, mobs of people. And

0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:39.040
<v Speaker 4>I say to the agent, what's going on, because I

0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:41.239
<v Speaker 4>think it's related to Riot's going on. So I go,

0:37:41.320 --> 0:37:44.839
<v Speaker 4>what happened? What's going on? He says, Oh, they're here

0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:45.239
<v Speaker 4>for you.

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<v Speaker 1>It was now Sunday morning, August twenty second, nineteen seventy one,

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<v Speaker 1>Jay Edgar Hoover held a joint press conference with AG

0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:56.839
<v Speaker 1>John Mitchell in which he announced he had broken the

0:37:56.880 --> 0:38:02.560
<v Speaker 1>back of the Catholic left. Eventually, the raiders were all

0:38:02.640 --> 0:38:06.040
<v Speaker 1>corraled together in the bowels of the building to await arraignment.

0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:09.200
<v Speaker 4>Eventually they take us all down and put us in

0:38:09.200 --> 0:38:12.279
<v Speaker 4>this big room together, the men and women together, and

0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:14.560
<v Speaker 4>I remember we started singing the Rising of the Moon,

0:38:15.080 --> 0:38:16.560
<v Speaker 4>and they yelled at us.

0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:20.360
<v Speaker 1>And it was there that they realized someone was missing.

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<v Speaker 5>At that time, we realized there was only one person

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<v Speaker 5>missing from the arrest scene.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't know at what point it became apparent that

0:38:26.520 --> 0:38:27.960
<v Speaker 8>he was the only one who wasn't arrested.

0:38:28.040 --> 0:38:30.759
<v Speaker 6>I think somebody said where's Hardy.

0:38:30.640 --> 0:38:33.160
<v Speaker 8>And then we're like, ah, okay, it's Bob Hardy.

0:38:33.560 --> 0:38:37.600
<v Speaker 3>Bob Hardy.

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<v Speaker 1>When the local Camden Raider had gone to Bob Hardy

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<v Speaker 1>after the initial plans for the action had fallen apart,

0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:47.520
<v Speaker 1>Hardy had assured him he could help make it happen.

0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:51.040
<v Speaker 1>But then he immediately went to the FBI field office.

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<v Speaker 8>But immediately he came to one or two meetings and

0:38:53.400 --> 0:38:55.799
<v Speaker 8>decided this didn't sit right with him, so he went

0:38:55.840 --> 0:38:59.040
<v Speaker 8>immediately to the FBI and they said, great.

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<v Speaker 4>Hang in there.

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<v Speaker 9>And he thought that the Catholic Cleft was using Mike Doyle.

0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:08.040
<v Speaker 1>Anne Walsh, who was busy fighting her contempt of court

0:39:08.120 --> 0:39:10.520
<v Speaker 1>charge in Harrisburg and therefore wasn't a part of the

0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:11.280
<v Speaker 1>Camden crew.

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<v Speaker 9>So he went to the FBI to say the Catholic

0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:19.560
<v Speaker 9>Cleft was dragging his front and the FBI said, we'll

0:39:19.719 --> 0:39:24.000
<v Speaker 9>protect your friend and you if you work with us.

0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:27.560
<v Speaker 1>The FBI agent encouraged him to join the group and

0:39:27.600 --> 0:39:33.880
<v Speaker 1>told him they'd reimburse him for any expenses. This was

0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:37.640
<v Speaker 1>just the break the FBI needed after the humiliation of

0:39:37.760 --> 0:39:40.319
<v Speaker 1>media had enraged one J.

0:39:40.719 --> 0:39:41.280
<v Speaker 3>Edgar Hoover.

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<v Speaker 9>He was furious, he was out of his mind. Somebody

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<v Speaker 9>violated the FBI and he wanted to bring the Catholic

0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:52.720
<v Speaker 9>Left to its knees.

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<v Speaker 4>In March, the FBI gade happened and allD the FBI

0:39:57.360 --> 0:40:00.000
<v Speaker 4>files went out, and they knew it was the Catholic Left.

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<v Speaker 4>And when they got the word from Bob Hardy that

0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:06.359
<v Speaker 4>he was working with a group, they thought, oh, here

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<v Speaker 4>we go, bingo, bingo, We're going to get them all.

0:40:09.280 --> 0:40:12.080
<v Speaker 4>That's why it became such a big action. Why was

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<v Speaker 4>so highly publicized.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a rumor that the night of the raid,

0:40:15.680 --> 0:40:18.600
<v Speaker 1>the FBI men had held a pregame celebration at a

0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:23.760
<v Speaker 1>nearby hotel, complete with wives and girlfriends. While the raiders

0:40:23.760 --> 0:40:27.279
<v Speaker 1>were setting up their lookouts, the FBI was stationing floodlights

0:40:27.320 --> 0:40:28.240
<v Speaker 1>and photographers.

0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:30.239
<v Speaker 4>And there's pictures of us going up the fire escape,

0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:32.399
<v Speaker 4>so you must have seen those, right. FBI were taking

0:40:32.440 --> 0:40:33.720
<v Speaker 4>pictures of us from across the street.

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<v Speaker 1>Hardy was operating kind of like Halliburton in the oughts

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<v Speaker 1>with a blank check from the federal government.

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<v Speaker 8>So he was always saying, oh you need ropes, Oh,

0:40:40.560 --> 0:40:42.400
<v Speaker 8>I have ropes in my truck. I mean, the FBI

0:40:42.520 --> 0:40:45.640
<v Speaker 8>was supplying equipment, box cut is, you know, whatever, the

0:40:45.680 --> 0:40:48.280
<v Speaker 8>little tools we needed for the thing. He was always

0:40:48.320 --> 0:40:50.320
<v Speaker 8>there at the ready with stuff which he was getting

0:40:50.320 --> 0:40:52.280
<v Speaker 8>from the FBI, and he was being paid.

0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:55.600
<v Speaker 9>So every time they ran into a flaw in the

0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:59.720
<v Speaker 9>post office building, the FBI solved that flaw by getting

0:40:59.840 --> 0:41:03.279
<v Speaker 9>the saws, the equipment, the ladders and stuff like that,

0:41:03.440 --> 0:41:06.479
<v Speaker 9>and nobody suspected. They just thought it was like good luck.

0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:10.600
<v Speaker 1>That's why Bob Hardy, this square nobody but Paul seemed

0:41:10.600 --> 0:41:14.000
<v Speaker 1>to like, would keep hanging around with these kids. Why

0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:17.040
<v Speaker 1>he'd conveniently left for cheese steaks in the middle of

0:41:17.040 --> 0:41:20.200
<v Speaker 1>the biggest heist of the decade. Why he'd seemed pissed

0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:23.600
<v Speaker 1>off during the successful dry run of the operation, and

0:41:23.760 --> 0:41:24.160
<v Speaker 1>come to.

0:41:24.120 --> 0:41:27.000
<v Speaker 5>Find out, he was upset because he had been told

0:41:27.320 --> 0:41:29.520
<v Speaker 5>that we were going to be arrested. During the dry.

0:41:29.440 --> 0:41:32.160
<v Speaker 1>Run, Hardy had made the FBI promise that his four

0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:35.680
<v Speaker 1>friends in the action, including Father Doyle, would not be arrested.

0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:38.400
<v Speaker 1>He'd carefully arranged for them to not be at the

0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:42.319
<v Speaker 1>dry Run rehearsal, but then the FBI didn't move in and.

0:41:42.320 --> 0:41:46.080
<v Speaker 5>His friends, who were the four people from his parish

0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:51.400
<v Speaker 5>in Camden, they wouldn't go to jail, and the FBI

0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:53.120
<v Speaker 5>went back on their word. They were going to arrest

0:41:53.200 --> 0:41:55.719
<v Speaker 5>us at the dry Run, but they didn't.

0:41:56.600 --> 0:41:59.120
<v Speaker 1>And on the night of the raid, the FBI had

0:41:59.200 --> 0:42:02.719
<v Speaker 1>let them continue their action for over two hours so

0:42:02.760 --> 0:42:11.840
<v Speaker 1>they would keep racking up charges. At the quickie arraignment

0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:15.440
<v Speaker 1>that Sunday, which was held in the courtroom literally downstairs

0:42:15.480 --> 0:42:18.480
<v Speaker 1>from the draft board they had raided only twelve hours earlier,

0:42:19.160 --> 0:42:23.160
<v Speaker 1>Guy Goodwin portrayed the raiders as terrorists to a sympathetic

0:42:23.239 --> 0:42:26.320
<v Speaker 1>judge who let the bail climb up to six hundred

0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:27.680
<v Speaker 1>and five thousand dollars.

0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:31.120
<v Speaker 5>John Peter had the highest amount on him. Started out

0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:34.399
<v Speaker 5>one hundred thousand dollars on his head alone. My bail

0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:37.440
<v Speaker 5>is seventy five thousand. This is in seventy one Now

0:42:37.560 --> 0:42:41.400
<v Speaker 5>nobody had that kind of money.

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<v Speaker 1>One by one they were brought out of the building

0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:45.840
<v Speaker 1>to be transferred to jail.

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<v Speaker 7>The FBI early today caught an anti war group in

0:42:48.719 --> 0:42:50.680
<v Speaker 7>the actors. It was trying to steal records from the

0:42:50.760 --> 0:42:52.400
<v Speaker 7>draft board in Camden, New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 4>Twenty persons were arrested, including two calfs, the priests, and.

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<v Speaker 3>A Protestant minutal.

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<v Speaker 1>As they were led out of the building into squad cars,

0:43:00.000 --> 0:43:01.640
<v Speaker 1>loal news reporters filled the.

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<v Speaker 5>Streets, maps, charts, radios, transceivers, mockups of Federal Building windows,

0:43:06.120 --> 0:43:07.040
<v Speaker 5>glass cutting.

0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:08.719
<v Speaker 3>Tools, and according to the FBI.

0:43:08.800 --> 0:43:11.080
<v Speaker 5>They were being taught how to pick locks exactly like

0:43:11.120 --> 0:43:12.360
<v Speaker 5>the ones in the Federal Building.

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<v Speaker 1>A crowd of civilians gathered and cheered them on. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is one of the most remarkable moments for me

0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:21.760
<v Speaker 1>in this whole saga. I've been alive a long time,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have never heard of the general public cheering

0:43:24.800 --> 0:43:29.080
<v Speaker 1>someone during their perk wlock. And unlike their FBI counterparts,

0:43:29.360 --> 0:43:32.120
<v Speaker 1>the Canden twenty eight were all smiles as they came

0:43:32.120 --> 0:43:35.960
<v Speaker 1>out of the building, cheering back and flashing handcuffed peace signs.

0:43:36.040 --> 0:43:37.800
<v Speaker 4>They walk me out to the front of the steps

0:43:37.800 --> 0:43:39.800
<v Speaker 4>of the building and I walk out and all of

0:43:39.840 --> 0:43:43.120
<v Speaker 4>a sudden people see me and they start screaming sha,

0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:45.040
<v Speaker 4>cheering me.

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<v Speaker 1>But the Camden twenty eight caught dead to rights. We're

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<v Speaker 1>facing a maximum sentence of forty seven years in prison.

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<v Speaker 3>On the next intervention.

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<v Speaker 6>We all knew that sooner or later we would get

0:44:04.880 --> 0:44:09.040
<v Speaker 6>caught breaking into a draft board. Successfully was only part

0:44:09.320 --> 0:44:12.120
<v Speaker 6>of the point. The other part of the point would

0:44:12.160 --> 0:44:15.920
<v Speaker 6>be to use the opportunity of our inevitable trial to

0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:19.680
<v Speaker 6>try to persuade a jury and hopefully an audience in

0:44:19.719 --> 0:44:23.000
<v Speaker 6>the courtroom, that what we did was not a crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Divine Intervention is a production of iHeart Podcasts. It's produced

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<v Speaker 1>by Wonder Media Network. It was created and written by me,

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<v Speaker 1>your host, Brendan Patrick Hughes. Our fiendishly adept producers our

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<v Speaker 1>Carmen Borca Correo, Abby Delk, Palomo Moreno, Jimenez, Grace Lynch,

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<v Speaker 1>and myself. Our editor is Woman About Town Grace Lynch

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<v Speaker 1>for Wonder Media Network. Our executive producers are Emily Rutterer

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<v Speaker 1>and Jenny Kaplan. For iHeart pod Casts, our executive producer

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<v Speaker 1>is Christina Everett. This episode was developed using archival material

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<v Speaker 1>from the Anthony Giacchino Canden twenty eight Motion picture collection

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<v Speaker 1>at the Swarthmore College Peace Collection. You can check out

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Giacchino's documentary The Candon twenty eight for more information

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<v Speaker 1>on this slice of history. Our theme and end credit

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<v Speaker 1>music was composed and performed by actual rockstar Tanya Donnelly

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<v Speaker 1>and mastered by rockstar masterer Ben Aerons. This is Brendan

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick Hughes. Thank you for listening to Divine Intervention.