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Speaker 2: Left had been a pretty small, intimate homespun out that

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Speaker 2: All of a sudden you tune around, there's Joan Baez

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Speaker 1: And money flooded into Central PA, including so called movement

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Speaker 1: professionals such as Tom Hayden and Jane Fonda, Bill Kunstler,

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Speaker 1: Benefit concerts were fundraising parties in every major city called

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Speaker 1: their Park Avenue apartment. The Harrisburg Defense Committee became so

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Speaker 1: be the death of the movement, which was exactly Hoover's

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Speaker 1: plan all along. If Harrisburg succeeded, shaky informants, grand jury,

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Speaker 1: fishing expeditions, trumped up charges, and death by due process

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Speaker 1: from Philadelphia, as they say, searched for just the right action.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: I used to always say, there was the drama of Catonsville,

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Speaker 4: there was the tragedy of Harrisburg, which was a totally

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Speaker 4: bogus bolonnique charges, et cetera. And then there was the

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Speaker 1: The Camden Locals had identified the downtown Federal Building to

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Speaker 3: The only problem was that it was a bit like

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Speaker 1: A post office on the first floor, an FBI field

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Speaker 1: office on the second, courtrooms on the third, Army intelligence

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Speaker 1: Cookie and John Peter Grady had shown them how to

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Speaker 3: Any raids to date.

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Speaker 1: The Camden Locals centered around a parish priest off the

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Speaker 1: his crew began casing the Federal Building in earnest, studying

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Speaker 1: The FBI was probably onto them and the building was impenetrable.

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Speaker 1: That showed them where the one A files were kept. Next,

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Speaker 1: They studied the fire escape and the window alarms to

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Speaker 3: Doja?

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Speaker 1: And the mailman unalarmed said yep, it goes off when

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Speaker 1: Hardy's brio they decided to do the raid after all.

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Speaker 1: But Hardy told them if they were really going to

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Speaker 1: the most complicated, the largest and the greatest possible last

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Speaker 1: stand we could ever possibly pull against the war and

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Speaker 1: against Hoover. I'm Brendan Patrick Hughes, and this is Divine Intervention,

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Speaker 1: Chapter eight.

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Speaker 3: What do we eat? Eagle Meat?

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Speaker 4: We did all the preliminary work for months, and then

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Speaker 4: at some point, as the action got closer, people out

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Speaker 1: Sarah Toci and Paul Cooming arrived in late July. Paul

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Speaker 1: had just come from covertly making omelets with Sarah's FBI

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Speaker 5: There were other people from all over the East Coast

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Speaker 1: Help out, including Bob Williamson, who had been an inside

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Speaker 4: Bob Williamson, whose name at the time was weed X.

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Speaker 1: We'll call Bob Williamson weed X from now on, partly

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Speaker 6: My records if they were still in that Canada draft board,

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Speaker 6: because that was my draft board.

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Speaker 1: Just like Paul Cooming going after his draft file in

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Speaker 1: Dorchester during the Boston eight. Weed X was well aware

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Speaker 6: So they probably had a file on me and there somewhere.

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Speaker 6: So I started helping with the casing it for Camden

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Speaker 7: Wison called me up and said we want to go

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Speaker 1: Weed X then called his media co conspirator, Keith Forsyth,

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Speaker 7: And I said I might yeah, So he invited me

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Speaker 1: Of course, neither would ever speak of their role in

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Speaker 5: come down.

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Speaker 8: I understood that people chose it because it was such

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Speaker 1: Camden had boomed with a Campbell soup factory up until

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Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties, but over the sixties had been hit

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Speaker 1: Camden families had just welcomed home the one hundredth soldier's

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Speaker 4: There was a lot of singing and continuing to be positive,

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Speaker 4: regardless of how scary things could get for us, and

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Speaker 1: To get to Camden without her. Twenty four to seven

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Speaker 1: as an unindicted co conspirator in the Harrisburg trial, Cookie

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Speaker 4: It would like pull you in because of the energy

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Speaker 4: John Grady had a lot to do with it, because

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Speaker 1: John Peter Grady we've heard his name, was the co

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Speaker 1: chairman of the Catonsville Nine Defense Committee. He was the

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Speaker 1: involved with the raids. By many accounts, he was a

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Speaker 1: reasonably more wary. After the Barrigins went to jail, he

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Speaker 1: evolved into one hell of a cat burglar. He was

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Speaker 1: also the FBI's chief suspects, although wrongly so in the

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Speaker 1: media Pennsylvania Field Office break in. As all the new

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Speaker 1: John Peter Grady. Bob Hardy, the local contractor who got

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Speaker 5: He was a handyman, and he worked with his hands

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Speaker 5: for a lover.

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Speaker 4: He knew a lot about tools.

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Speaker 8: He was like a jack of all trades, comperenture with

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Speaker 1: Already started supplying weekly groceries for the raiders who were

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Speaker 6: I remember he introduced himself. I remember right away thinking

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Speaker 3: Weed X aka Bob Williamson.

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Speaker 6: He was older, he was socially awkward. He did not

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Speaker 6: ever broken into a draft board with.

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Speaker 3: But what Bob Hardy lacked in street cred he more

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Speaker 8: For and know how he was always saying, oh, you

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Speaker 8: need ropes, Oh, I have ropes on my troupy. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: box cut is, you know, whatever, the little tools we

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Speaker 1: Bob in the mix, the Raiders decided to go big.

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Speaker 1: Once inside the Federal Building, they would hit the draft board,

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Speaker 8: The building housed the FBI office, the IM Intelligence Office

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Speaker 1: So now it was time to get down to the

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Speaker 7: There was a ton of people. I'd never seen that

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Speaker 8: Is there a guard, Where does the guard walk? When's

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Speaker 4: Basically, what we would do is we would take notes

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Speaker 4: What we had to do is to figure out when

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Speaker 6: There was an apartment building that we used to go

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Speaker 4: So we'd have maybe two cars from two different sides

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Speaker 1: From Bob Hardy, they learned the guard had a special

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Speaker 4: And then after several weeks or a month or whatever,

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Speaker 6: From there, we could see the back of the building

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Speaker 1: The building was more complicated than any other raid had

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Speaker 7: I did a little bit of teaching of people how

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Speaker 6: And then somebody would make a big sort of poster

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Speaker 1: But with Hardy's know how, they hatched a plan that

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Speaker 6: Not a step ladder, but an extension ladder. Somebody decided

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Speaker 1: Extension ladders will break your arm if you don't know

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Speaker 1: what you're doing, especially with eight people carrying equipment, only

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Speaker 6: And I can't imagine what the neighbors would have thought

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Speaker 3: This was going to be incredibly intense.

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Speaker 1: Cookie had always played a strategic, behind the scenes role

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Speaker 1: in the action she planned with Grady, but for Camden,

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Speaker 1: she decided she was going in. She would lead the

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Speaker 4: Maybe it was while I was processing all this information

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Speaker 4: it became more of an imperative to me to act.

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Speaker 3: They began to take on their assignments for the raid.

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Speaker 4: By that I was pretty committed to whatever what had

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Speaker 1: Some would be lookouts, some would be drivers, and some

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Speaker 4: I was excited, but I don't mean like in a

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Speaker 1: A week before the raid, Bob Hardy insisted they do

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Speaker 1: a dry run of the very complicated plan to penetrate

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Speaker 1: eight raiders who would go into the building. There were

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Speaker 1: four lookouts stationed across the street, and there were eight drivers,

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Speaker 5: Basically, you go with everybody you're going to use that night,

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Speaker 1: Bob Hardy's van then reversed into the alley behind the building.

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Speaker 5: Off We even opened up the back of the thing

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Speaker 5: going to fit. We had never actually done it before.

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Speaker 1: The eight raiders had to get the ladder against the

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Speaker 5: It was a docking area for trucks to back into

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Speaker 3: Because it made noise fourteen feet up, and.

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Speaker 5: We knew that we could get up. We had already

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Speaker 5: we had to practice some more, but we knew that

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Speaker 5: it was doable.

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Speaker 1: On the night of the raid, they would skidter across

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Speaker 5: Then you brought a ladder with you and got up

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Speaker 5: automatically go off. Bob Hardy had spotted that, told us

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Speaker 1: They would then climb the fire escape to the fifth floorrapy,

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Speaker 5: So it's just a drill practice doing all the steps

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Speaker 5: and it all went pretty well.

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Speaker 1: But Bob Hardy didn't like how it went.

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Speaker 5: Bob Hardy was very upset afterwards.

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Speaker 1: Emotions were starting to flare. What they were trying to

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Speaker 1: do had never been done before, and Hardy's demand for

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Speaker 1: the raid was now set for the following Saturday night.

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Speaker 1: Just a few days before the night of the raid,

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Speaker 1: during a traffic stop in downtown Camden, two police officers

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Speaker 1: beat a Puerto Rican resident who would later die from,

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Speaker 1: according to the autopsy, a blow to the groin. The

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Speaker 1: following night, Camden's Puerto Rican community entered into open rebellion.

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Speaker 1: Fires were set throughout downtown. More than fifty injuries were reported,

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Speaker 1: and additional state troopers were called in to supplement Camden's

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Speaker 8: There were riots happening in Campden the weekend of the action.

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Speaker 4: Because about a week before the action, Camden police killed

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Speaker 1: From the apartment they used as their headquarters, just two

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Speaker 1: as the city burned.

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Speaker 4: There was looting, and I can remember we were standing

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Speaker 4: and seeing these kids running in and out of these stores,

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Speaker 4: of the cops that grabbed them. They would slip out.

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Speaker 4: It was like one of those things ago. This have

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Speaker 4: to remember this, This is like a dream. Am I

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Speaker 4: streets were just insane, and there were cops everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Not only were the cops everywhere, but the mayor had

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Speaker 4: We are trying to do an action in mild Ale.

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Speaker 7: This just a few days from the planned date of

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Speaker 1: Keith Forsyth and Bob Hardy climbed into Bob's van and

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Speaker 7: So Hardy says to me, what do you think you

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Speaker 7: There's an awful lot of police on the streets and stuff.

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Speaker 7: And I said, yeah, but you know, not so much

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Speaker 7: And he was like, it has to go no matter what.

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Speaker 4: He said.

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Speaker 7: You know what about the guard. You know, I'm like,

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Speaker 7: what about the guard? We know what his routine is.

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Speaker 7: Just have to be you know, avoid him and be

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Speaker 7: quiet inside. And he goes, well, I got something, you know,

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Speaker 7: in case the guard is a problem, open the glocal apartment.

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Speaker 7: I opened the glocal apartment. There's a snubnosed revolver in there.

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Speaker 7: And I'm like, are you out of your fucking mind?

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Speaker 7: If you think I'm going to carry a gun in

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Speaker 7: with you. And I told Bob Williamson, I said, you know,

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Speaker 7: I think this guy Hardy's a cop.

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Speaker 1: Bob Williamson aka Weed ex, Keith's fellow media conspirator, assured

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Speaker 1: him that things were just very tense as a result

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Speaker 1: of the rioting and they could probably trust Hardy. Besides,

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Speaker 7: He says, you know, you always get nervous on the

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 7: I'm like, well, you know that's true. I do get nervous,

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Speaker 1: But Bob Hardy gave a lot of people the feeling

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Speaker 1: of a linebacker reluctantly having to be in Romeo and

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Speaker 1: Juliet for college credit.

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Speaker 4: He was an ex marine, you know, and he shows

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Speaker 4: You know, every word he spoke had importance. Talk to

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Speaker 4: Lee and she'll tell you, you know, we were They're

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Speaker 8: He asked us if we thought we should have a

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Speaker 5: And I met the very first night I met Bob Hardy.

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Speaker 1: Although Paul the man with the largest heart in the universe,

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Speaker 5: I liked him like that right off the bat. I

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Speaker 1: Saturday night arrived, they gathered around several tables for a

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Speaker 1: big decision to make the curfew and the riots had

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Speaker 3: At one another and they decided to go for it.

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Speaker 5: Despite the fact that there was tear gas in the

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Speaker 3: Go time.

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Speaker 4: We all loaded into Bob Party's van. It was a

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Speaker 4: big white sort of box van.

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00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,239
Speaker 1: The eight Raiders climbed inside a little Winnebago with their

445
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 1: ladder and two just like they practiced. But I'm sure

446
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 1: you're thinking eight people climbing a ladder in the middle

447
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 1: of downtown Canden would be conspicuous anytime of day, right,

448
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:09,400
Speaker 1: so I have.

449
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 4: To I'll show you this. I feel it this way.

450
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,959
Speaker 4: You can see in this drawing that this is Cooper Street,

451
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 4: Main Drag. The post office is here.

452
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,680
Speaker 1: So Cookie showed me the ingenious way. The raiders made

453
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 1: sure they could remain inconspicuous.

454
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 4: This was a one way street.

455
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,639
Speaker 1: The Canden Federal Building, known as the Post Office and Courthouse,

456
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,959
Speaker 1: was at four to Oho one Market Street, on the

457
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 1: north side of the street facing south, with Fourth Street

458
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 1: running down its west side. They drove up Fourth Street

459
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 1: to the loading dock behind the building, and.

460
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 4: We had to block traffic from being able to go

461
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 4: in any place where they could see us because we

462
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 4: were down. I'll make this quigly line be the alley.

463
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: They had timed the stoplights at the four intersections surrounding

464
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 1: the building and realized they had at best the length

465
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,120
Speaker 1: of one stoplight to set up the ladder twenty two seconds,

466
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 1: but they needed insurance.

467
00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 4: The plan was that there would be cars situated in

468
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 4: various parts around the building, so we had a car

469
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 4: come up stop.

470
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 3: Here to buy some time.

471
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 1: The eight drivers, including Sarah Tosi, Leanne Mosha, Keith Forsythe

472
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: and Bob Hardy would simultaneously pretend to break down in

473
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 1: the four surrounding intersections.

474
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 5: All the cars blocked the streets so that the truck

475
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 5: that's carrying the eight of us that are going to

476
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 5: go inside the building has enough time to back right

477
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 5: up to the platform in the post office.

478
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 4: And then we had people get out of the car

479
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 4: and lift the hood of the car that act like

480
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 4: they had car trouble, but it blocked the whole street

481
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 4: so no one could go up the street, so no

482
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,959
Speaker 4: one could turn into that street like the police. And

483
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 4: we had another car somewhere else doing the same thing.

484
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 3: This was at a time when cars broke down a lot.

485
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 5: We got the streets all blocked off and they had.

486
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 3: A system of lookouts all on walkie talkies.

487
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 4: There's a house down the street where we had people

488
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 4: with a walkie talkie and.

489
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 3: A church across the street with an entrance.

490
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 4: With a little chapel kind of top on. It got

491
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 4: a chapel, I think it called it the parapet or no,

492
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 4: not a parapet. That was the portico, yeah, portico.

493
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 3: Four lookouts watched the building security guard.

494
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 4: From the portico, and then we pulled into the back

495
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 4: of the post office and we jumped out of the van.

496
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 4: We had a ladder with us. As a matter of fact,

497
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 4: it was there that we borrowed mail bags. So we

498
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 4: get on the platform. We put the ladder up to

499
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 4: that story. We scurry up the ladder. We pulled the

500
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 4: ladder up with us, and then we go up the

501
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:23,679
Speaker 4: fire escape.

502
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: Cookie had learned how to use a glass cutter and

503
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: practiced on several windows. They climbed up the fire escape

504
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 1: to the parapet on the roof. She taped up the glass,

505
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: cut a hole, hammered it out and opened the window,

506
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: just like in Mission Impossible, and they all leapt down

507
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 1: four feet onto the carridor floor.

508
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 4: We cut the glass and opened the window and we

509
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 4: went in.

510
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 3: They were in.

511
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 4: So you're in a large office space. There's files, there's desks,

512
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 4: it's a big open space. We're working there. We're in

513
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 4: there at least an hour and a half or two hours.

514
00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 4: I don't remember how long.

515
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: They used Bob's industrial grade bolt cutters to get into

516
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: the padlocked filing cabinets.

517
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 4: We had divided up the draft board into one A

518
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 4: files in different categories, but the one I files were

519
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 4: priority files because those were the kids ready to be drafted,

520
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 4: but ready to be sent to war. And we had

521
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 4: to shakecase the room so we knew where the files were,

522
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 4: and we had little pen flashlights because it was we

523
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 4: had to keep the room dark. I had been mine

524
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 4: in my mouth and I was doing my little thing

525
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 4: and pulling out the files and packing the bags.

526
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: It was an incredibly hot and humid night, so some

527
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: of the raiders went out onto the roof parapet to work,

528
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: but they had to crouch that they wouldn't be spotted

529
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: by curfew helicopters.

530
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 5: I was on walkie talkie and my handle was called little.

531
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: Man Little Big Man. Paul Cooming was stationed on the

532
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: parapet as a lookout.

533
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 5: Most of the people were inside of the draft board

534
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 5: filling sacks paper or tearing up flow cards, or making

535
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 5: sure they got everything and putting in the mail sacks.

536
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: Paul's specific job was to make sure the security guard

537
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 1: never came to the fifth floor.

538
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 5: He never circulated through the building at night. His last

539
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 5: trip was before we ever entered the building. So my

540
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 5: response was trained to be God is coming, I see

541
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 5: your guard's coming. And I also had a rope tied

542
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 5: to me, and I was supposed to pull the rope

543
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 5: in case the walkie talking didn't work, that the person

544
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 5: on the other end of the rope would get yanked

545
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 5: at the waist, and he'd realized that they should sit down.

546
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 5: The idea was that they would sit on the floor

547
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 5: and wait to be arrested by this one guy rather

548
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 5: than try to scamper and get out quick.

549
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,959
Speaker 1: Just after four am, the raiders decided to skip the

550
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: FBI office and the Army intelligence since sunrise was imminent.

551
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 5: Someone on the ground pass how are you proceeding? And

552
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 5: I asked the people in the board and they said

553
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 5: they would be done in a few minutes, so they

554
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 5: were going to need to be picked up and such

555
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 5: a time.

556
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: At four point thirty, the drivers were two blocks away

557
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: at the headquarters, getting ready to take their places.

558
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 8: I was in the command central with a few other people,

559
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 8: including Bob.

560
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 3: Hardy Leanne Mosha, who said, I think.

561
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 8: I'm gonna go out and pick up some cheese steaks sandwiches.

562
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 8: He said.

563
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: As Bob Hardy went out for celebratory cheese steaks, the

564
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: raiders in the draft board started throwing stuffed mail bags

565
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,479
Speaker 1: from the parapet down to a second floor landing.

566
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 4: So sometime we're there for a while and I hear

567
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 4: we hear footsteps, and then I hear, really faintly, I

568
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 4: hear FBI raid and I look and I think I

569
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 4: think it's Bob Williamson. And I'm like, that is not funny, Bob.

570
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 5: And just then as that I think I'm over, I

571
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 5: turned around and I looked at him as it wasn't

572
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 5: just the guard, it was four people coming up that

573
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 5: staircase to arrest me.

574
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 4: But moments later, I start to see the silhouettes of

575
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 4: men coming in the windows. We could just see the

576
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 4: silhouettes of these bodies and they're opening windows in their claes.

577
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 4: I'm in the windows, so.

578
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 5: I'm yelling the guard is coming, The guard is coming,

579
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 5: into a walkie talkie as I pull away from the

580
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 5: window and not comprehending that why is there more than

581
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 5: one guard?

582
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 6: You know?

583
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: At that moment at the apartment headquarters, the front and

584
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: back doors were kicked in simultaneously and federal agents rushed in.

585
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: As Paul's voice continued screaming over the walkie talkie.

586
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 5: I got saying the guard's coming, The guards coming, The

587
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 5: Guard's coming, because I didn't know what else to say.

588
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 3: But Paul's contact was dealing with his own shit.

589
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 5: He was cursing at me on the walkie hockey, saying, Paul,

590
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 5: shut up, we know what we know. The guards here.

591
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: At this time, Sarah, Leanne and Keith were about to

592
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: leave to block the intersections.

593
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 7: I heard all those tires squealing in the parking lot

594
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 7: at three in the morning or whenever. It was like. Instantly,

595
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 7: I said to the other people in the room. I

596
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 7: looked up and said, we're busted.

597
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 8: FBI agents with the jackets, with FBI in the back, guns,

598
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 8: big guns drawn. Put your hands up, it's the FBI.

599
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 5: It's a it's a eight.

600
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,479
Speaker 8: And every window in this little rectory was lit up

601
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 8: by these guys rushing in the doorways, the windows up

602
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 8: against the wall. Spread your legs. It was terrifying.

603
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 7: One of them had a shotgun, and I remember the

604
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 7: shotgun very firmly, because they lined us up against the wall.

605
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 7: And I turned around and made some kind of a joke.

606
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 7: I make a lot of smart ass remarks, and the

607
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 7: guy with the shotgun pushed my face back up against

608
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 7: the wall with the business end of the shotting. They

609
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 7: knew who all these people were. I mean there were

610
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 7: twenty eight people. Twenty seven of them were pacifist, half

611
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 7: of them were priests. For God's sake.

612
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: Two blocks away, Paul stood on the parapet of the

613
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: Federal building, frozen in fear.

614
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 5: I turned around and I saw the whole building was

615
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 5: lit up, and I said, no, wonder the guards coming.

616
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 5: They turned the lights on.

617
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, all of the lights in the

618
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: building came on, and the front of the building was

619
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: doused in floodlights.

620
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 5: Every place we had lookouts through they were there, and

621
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 5: they just automatically at the same time on one signal,

622
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 5: arrested everybody.

623
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: Eighty wingtipped federal agents started popping up in every place.

624
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: A raider had been stationed, the portico, the apartment, the

625
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: driver's parking spots, the draft board.

626
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 3: The FBI had the drop on them the whole time,

627
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 3: and the jig was.

628
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: Up wearing baseball caps and dark blue windbreakers with FBI

629
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: and big white letters across their backs. The agents flooded

630
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: into the room through doors and windows.

631
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 4: It was like an out of body experience. They had

632
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 4: guns drawn on us. Guns. I mean, we were known

633
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 4: for being non violent. They had guns drawn on us

634
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 4: were surrounded by agents and they're grabbing hold of us.

635
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 4: Bob good was out on the parapet loading bags and

636
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 4: they threw him into the window. Cooming is dragged into

637
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 4: the room because he'd been grabbed over the other side

638
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 4: of the building. He's dragged into the room and they're

639
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 4: pretty abusive to him.

640
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: Paul Koming was the last one found in his hiding

641
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: place out on the parapet.

642
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 5: And they took me handcuffing behind my back, bent me over,

643
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 5: held me by the handcuffs and ran me the distance

644
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 5: of that flat roof to the edge of the roof

645
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 5: as if they're going to throw me off, then pulled

646
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 5: me back the last second, just to scare the shit

647
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 5: out of me.

648
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: They brought Paul Coombing into the draft board, smashed him

649
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: into the filing cabinets a few times, then threw him

650
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: down on his stomach next to Cookie. Then bursting through

651
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: the doors came the government's chief prosecutor from the Harrisburg trial,

652
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: Guy Goodwin. Goodwin had become the head of Hoover's new

653
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: Left squad, whose job it was to take down the

654
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: Catholic left.

655
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 4: And Guy Goodwin has a radio in his hand, and

656
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 4: he's talking to someone and he's walked around the room

657
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 4: and he's counting us one, two, three, four, five, sixty seven. Okay,

658
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 4: we got them all. We got them all. And I

659
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 4: kept thinking to myself, this is I cannot believe this

660
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 4: is happening. It's like when you know you're seeing something

661
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 4: that you can't believe you're seeing you in a way

662
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 4: where I wasn't really afraid. All I kept thinking was

663
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 4: I have got to remember this to tell my friends,

664
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 4: because it was so unbelievable what I was looking at.

665
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 4: The whole room and all the people and all the

666
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 4: pushing around.

667
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 5: They knocked people down and jumped on their backs with

668
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 5: their knees. Fola Doyle was knocked to the ground and

669
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 5: he was handcoffed behind his back, and then the guy

670
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 5: pounced on him.

671
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 4: And so these two agents grab a hold of me,

672
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 4: and they're grabbing each one of us the same way

673
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 4: like they went to FBI school, right. So the idea

674
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 4: is you throw the person on the ground, you put

675
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 4: your knee into their lower back, you pull their hands up,

676
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 4: and you handcoff them. So that's happening all around me.

677
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 4: My two guys come, they throw me on the ground

678
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 4: and they're my bands are behind my back, and one

679
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 4: the agent says, give me the cuffs, and the other

680
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 4: one says, I thought you brought them.

681
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: The raiders later described the agents as being right out

682
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: of the academy, with baby faces and shaking guns. Television

683
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: would have you think the FBI does raids like this

684
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,719
Speaker 1: every week. But it makes me wonder if they are

685
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: actually pretty rare.

686
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 4: So the boss comes along, the supervisor. His name is

687
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 4: Agent Snodgrass. I'll never forget. So Snodgrass comes along and

688
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 4: he goes, what's happening over here, and he goes, well,

689
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 4: I thought he had the cops, and he thought he

690
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 4: had the puffs, and they're explaining to their boss, and

691
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 4: he says, tire up with their belt. So they pull

692
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 4: my belt off and I didn't even get handcuffs that

693
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 4: first time.

694
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: As things settled down, Guy Goodwin took center stage.

695
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 4: So meantime, Guy Goodwin is walking around the room and

696
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 4: he's saying things to people to let them know he

697
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 4: knows who they are. So when he got to me,

698
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 4: he said, hey, cookie, how you do it? Is your

699
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 4: brother still playing the drums? My brother played the drums.

700
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: Goodwin knew their nicknames. He knew the names of their families,

701
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: and he made it clear that to the government this

702
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: was personal, but nowhere near as personal as it would

703
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: be for Sarah Toci.

704
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 4: Her brother was FBI. He arrested some of the people

705
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 4: he was on this arrest. When she was arrested, the

706
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 4: guy said, they're your Toazy's little sister.

707
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: This was supposed to be the raid that would prove

708
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: Descent could never be crushed by Hoover's wing tipped goons. Instead,

709
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: they all lay dejected on the floor, knees in their backs.

710
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 4: At some point, I hear a sort of croaky voice

711
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 4: say in it's sort of almost a whisper, what do

712
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 4: we eat? Do you know the story?

713
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: But then weed X did something totally bananas.

714
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 4: This comes from what we were rehearsing. We were rehearsing

715
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 4: going up and down the ladder and Paul Cooman's High

716
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 4: school when they had games, they had this thing where

717
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 4: some people would say what do we eat? And people

718
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 4: would say, eagle meat, What do we eat? Egle meat?

719
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 4: What do they eat?

720
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 3: Shit?

721
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 4: So I hear, I hear somebody in the room say

722
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 4: what do we eat? And I'm like, no. The rest

723
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 4: of us are of cough out eagle meat. And then

724
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 4: he says, where a stronger voice, what do we eat?

725
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 4: And we say eagle meat, and he says, what do

726
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 4: they eat? We say shit. The bosses in the FBA

727
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 4: agents who are bosses in the room are like, furious.

728
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 4: You can't say that, do Ke be quiet? I'm just

729
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 4: trying to yell at us. And then I looked to

730
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 4: the left and the door opens and they're dragging Paul

731
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 4: out of the room. And I felt so bad for Paul.

732
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 4: I didn't know what to say to help him. So

733
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 4: I said, don't worry Paul. We've got him on the run.

734
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 5: Now.

735
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: They were defeated. Hoover had struck a decisive blow, and

736
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 1: yet they still chanted. They eat shit right in the

737
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: FBI's face. After the arrest, the raiders were then hauled downstairs,

738
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: separated and interrogated.

739
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 4: So they take us down into these rooms and they

740
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 4: have each one of us in a separate room and

741
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 4: they start, you know, interrogating us, just like how did

742
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 4: a TV show? And I didn't know that the people

743
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 4: outside have been arrested.

744
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 8: It was an endless time to me, Leanne. They were

745
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 8: frisking us and I was put into a vehicle with

746
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 8: two FBI agents in the front seat. I was in

747
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 8: the backseat, and then we started driving around town and

748
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 8: they were saying, you know, it was stereotypical good cock,

749
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 8: bad cock. One guy was really mean, the other guy

750
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 8: was very nice, and I'm sure they were both Irish,

751
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 8: Catholic FBI agents, and they were saying things like, you know,

752
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 8: your friend John Grady spilled the beans. We've got everybody's

753
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 8: name and address.

754
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 3: Now, oldest trick in the book.

755
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: Cookie's interrogation was endless.

756
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 4: At some point, some agent comes in and says, John

757
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 4: Grady just spilled the beans. Spilled the beans. Really.

758
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: After Cookie's interrogator told her that John Grady had spilled

759
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: the beans, she burst out laughing, and then so did

760
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: he because they both knew how ridiculous it was.

761
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 4: Well, I didn't believe John would have made a statement.

762
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 4: Second of all, spill the beans? What movie? What did

763
00:36:59,320 --> 00:36:59,959
Speaker 4: that come from?

764
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 5: Right?

765
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 4: It was also nuts.

766
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 8: I didn't tell them my name. I never answered any

767
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 8: question they asked me. I just kept silent for a

768
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 8: few hours as we drove around town. And it was

769
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 8: the middle of the night, and then it was sort

770
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 8: of pre dawn and as we drove in and out

771
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 8: of Camden, I would see another car and realized it

772
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 8: was one of my friends, like in the back seat

773
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 8: of another and I would try and raise my manacle

774
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 8: of hands up the wave notes. I stopped doing that.

775
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 4: I look out the window and I see a mob

776
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 4: of people out there, and TV trucks and all this

777
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 4: press and people in the streets, mobs of people. And

778
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 4: I say to the agent, what's going on, because I

779
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 4: think it's related to Riot's going on. So I go,

780
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 4: what happened? What's going on? He says, Oh, they're here

781
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 4: for you.

782
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: It was now Sunday morning, August twenty second, nineteen seventy one,

783
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 1: Jay Edgar Hoover held a joint press conference with AG

784
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: John Mitchell in which he announced he had broken the

785
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: back of the Catholic left. Eventually, the raiders were all

786
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: corraled together in the bowels of the building to await arraignment.

787
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 4: Eventually they take us all down and put us in

788
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 4: this big room together, the men and women together, and

789
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 4: I remember we started singing the Rising of the Moon,

790
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 4: and they yelled at us.

791
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: And it was there that they realized someone was missing.

792
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 5: At that time, we realized there was only one person

793
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 5: missing from the arrest scene.

794
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 8: I don't know at what point it became apparent that

795
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 8: he was the only one who wasn't arrested.

796
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 6: I think somebody said where's Hardy.

797
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 8: And then we're like, ah, okay, it's Bob Hardy.

798
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 3: Bob Hardy.

799
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: When the local Camden Raider had gone to Bob Hardy

800
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 1: after the initial plans for the action had fallen apart,

801
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: Hardy had assured him he could help make it happen.

802
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: But then he immediately went to the FBI field office.

803
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 8: But immediately he came to one or two meetings and

804
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 8: decided this didn't sit right with him, so he went

805
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 8: immediately to the FBI and they said, great.

806
00:38:59,320 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 4: Hang in there.

807
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 9: And he thought that the Catholic Cleft was using Mike Doyle.

808
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: Anne Walsh, who was busy fighting her contempt of court

809
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: charge in Harrisburg and therefore wasn't a part of the

810
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 1: Camden crew.

811
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 9: So he went to the FBI to say the Catholic

812
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 9: Cleft was dragging his front and the FBI said, we'll

813
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 9: protect your friend and you if you work with us.

814
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: The FBI agent encouraged him to join the group and

815
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: told him they'd reimburse him for any expenses. This was

816
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: just the break the FBI needed after the humiliation of

817
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: media had enraged one J.

818
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 3: Edgar Hoover.

819
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 9: He was furious, he was out of his mind. Somebody

820
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 9: violated the FBI and he wanted to bring the Catholic

821
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:52,720
Speaker 9: Left to its knees.

822
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 4: In March, the FBI gade happened and allD the FBI

823
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 4: files went out, and they knew it was the Catholic Left.

824
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 4: And when they got the word from Bob Hardy that

825
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 4: he was working with a group, they thought, oh, here

826
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 4: we go, bingo, bingo, We're going to get them all.

827
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 4: That's why it became such a big action. Why was

828
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 4: so highly publicized.

829
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: There was a rumor that the night of the raid,

830
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: the FBI men had held a pregame celebration at a

831
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 1: nearby hotel, complete with wives and girlfriends. While the raiders

832
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: were setting up their lookouts, the FBI was stationing floodlights

833
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 1: and photographers.

834
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 4: And there's pictures of us going up the fire escape,

835
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 4: so you must have seen those, right. FBI were taking

836
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 4: pictures of us from across the street.

837
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: Hardy was operating kind of like Halliburton in the oughts

838
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: with a blank check from the federal government.

839
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 8: So he was always saying, oh you need ropes, Oh,

840
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 8: I have ropes in my truck. I mean, the FBI

841
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 8: was supplying equipment, box cut is, you know, whatever, the

842
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 8: little tools we needed for the thing. He was always

843
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 8: there at the ready with stuff which he was getting

844
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 8: from the FBI, and he was being paid.

845
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 9: So every time they ran into a flaw in the

846
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 9: post office building, the FBI solved that flaw by getting

847
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 9: the saws, the equipment, the ladders and stuff like that,

848
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,479
Speaker 9: and nobody suspected. They just thought it was like good luck.

849
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: That's why Bob Hardy, this square nobody but Paul seemed

850
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: to like, would keep hanging around with these kids. Why

851
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: he'd conveniently left for cheese steaks in the middle of

852
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: the biggest heist of the decade. Why he'd seemed pissed

853
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: off during the successful dry run of the operation, and

854
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: come to.

855
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 5: Find out, he was upset because he had been told

856
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 5: that we were going to be arrested. During the dry.

857
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: Run, Hardy had made the FBI promise that his four

858
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: friends in the action, including Father Doyle, would not be arrested.

859
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: He'd carefully arranged for them to not be at the

860
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: dry Run rehearsal, but then the FBI didn't move in and.

861
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 5: His friends, who were the four people from his parish

862
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 5: in Camden, they wouldn't go to jail, and the FBI

863
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 5: went back on their word. They were going to arrest

864
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 5: us at the dry Run, but they didn't.

865
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: And on the night of the raid, the FBI had

866
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: let them continue their action for over two hours so

867
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: they would keep racking up charges. At the quickie arraignment

868
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: that Sunday, which was held in the courtroom literally downstairs

869
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: from the draft board they had raided only twelve hours earlier,

870
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: Guy Goodwin portrayed the raiders as terrorists to a sympathetic

871
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 1: judge who let the bail climb up to six hundred

872
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: and five thousand dollars.

873
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 5: John Peter had the highest amount on him. Started out

874
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 5: one hundred thousand dollars on his head alone. My bail

875
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 5: is seventy five thousand. This is in seventy one Now

876
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 5: nobody had that kind of money.

877
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: One by one they were brought out of the building

878
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: to be transferred to jail.

879
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 7: The FBI early today caught an anti war group in

880
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 7: the actors. It was trying to steal records from the

881
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 7: draft board in Camden, New Jersey.

882
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 4: Twenty persons were arrested, including two calfs, the priests, and.

883
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 3: A Protestant minutal.

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Speaker 1: As they were led out of the building into squad cars,

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Speaker 1: loal news reporters filled the.

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Speaker 5: Streets, maps, charts, radios, transceivers, mockups of Federal Building windows,

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Speaker 5: glass cutting.

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Speaker 3: Tools, and according to the FBI.

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Speaker 5: They were being taught how to pick locks exactly like

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Speaker 5: the ones in the Federal Building.

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Speaker 1: A crowd of civilians gathered and cheered them on. And

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Speaker 1: this is one of the most remarkable moments for me

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Speaker 1: in this whole saga. I've been alive a long time,

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Speaker 1: and I have never heard of the general public cheering

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Speaker 1: someone during their perk wlock. And unlike their FBI counterparts,

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Speaker 1: the Canden twenty eight were all smiles as they came

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Speaker 1: out of the building, cheering back and flashing handcuffed peace signs.

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Speaker 4: They walk me out to the front of the steps

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Speaker 4: of the building and I walk out and all of

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Speaker 4: a sudden people see me and they start screaming sha,

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Speaker 4: cheering me.

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Speaker 1: But the Camden twenty eight caught dead to rights. We're

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Speaker 1: facing a maximum sentence of forty seven years in prison.

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Speaker 3: On the next intervention.

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Speaker 6: We all knew that sooner or later we would get

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Speaker 6: caught breaking into a draft board. Successfully was only part

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Speaker 6: of the point. The other part of the point would

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Speaker 6: be to use the opportunity of our inevitable trial to

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Speaker 6: try to persuade a jury and hopefully an audience in

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Speaker 6: the courtroom, that what we did was not a crime.

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Speaker 1: Divine Intervention is a production of iHeart Podcasts. It's produced

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Speaker 1: by Wonder Media Network. It was created and written by me,

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Speaker 1: your host, Brendan Patrick Hughes. Our fiendishly adept producers our

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Speaker 1: Carmen Borca Correo, Abby Delk, Palomo Moreno, Jimenez, Grace Lynch,

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Speaker 1: and myself. Our editor is Woman About Town Grace Lynch

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Speaker 1: for Wonder Media Network. Our executive producers are Emily Rutterer

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Speaker 1: and Jenny Kaplan. For iHeart pod Casts, our executive producer

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Speaker 1: is Christina Everett. This episode was developed using archival material

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Speaker 1: from the Anthony Giacchino Canden twenty eight Motion picture collection

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Speaker 1: at the Swarthmore College Peace Collection. You can check out

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Speaker 1: Anthony Giacchino's documentary The Candon twenty eight for more information

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Speaker 1: on this slice of history. Our theme and end credit

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Speaker 1: music was composed and performed by actual rockstar Tanya Donnelly

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Speaker 1: and mastered by rockstar masterer Ben Aerons. This is Brendan

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Speaker 1: Patrick Hughes. Thank you for listening to Divine Intervention.