Speaker 1: Forever. Look man, oh I see you? Why why look
Speaker 1: over there? How is that culture? Yes, goodness, let's every critic,
Speaker 1: every detractor will have to bow down to President Trump.
Speaker 1: It's everyone who's ever doubted Donald, whoever disagreed, whoever challenged him.
Speaker 1: It is the ultimate revenge to become the most powerful
Speaker 1: man in the universe. Last culture is calling. Okay, we're crying.
Speaker 1: It's still it's up there. Will never not be funny
Speaker 1: the most powerful man in the universe if you ever
Speaker 1: doubted Donald, anyone who ever disagrees. We really just played
Speaker 1: it and I can't even quote it back. Okay, Hi guys, Wow, Well,
Speaker 1: our guests just came into the room and we just
Speaker 1: Matt insisted on keeping this episode topical and releasing it
Speaker 1: on this very day. Well, because listen, you've got Matt
Speaker 1: has so much to say about omar Rossa. Because and
Speaker 1: here's here's the truth. Matt texting me today out of
Speaker 1: nowhere saying it's insane that all this omar Rosa should
Speaker 1: is going down and that the view is on a break.
Speaker 1: I think it's the biggest tragedy, The biggest tragedy of
Speaker 1: the whole situation is the fact that I can't hear
Speaker 1: Megan McCain say that she doesn't care about it. I
Speaker 1: can't hear Sonny Hostin's take. She's a lawyer. She's a lawyer,
Speaker 1: so she knows this world. Look, all I'm saying is
Speaker 1: they say that Madonna is the queen of reinvention. No
Speaker 1: bitch's new man, formerly stalwart, formerly stalwart. No, she's amar Rosa.
Speaker 1: Has never once reinvented herself. She's always been the same
Speaker 1: fucking person. She is a political shark. She is a
Speaker 1: reality TV um huntress. We have to bring her. She
Speaker 1: is a minister. Honey. Oh yes, but I remember, do
Speaker 1: you remember the moment you saw her on The Apprentice? Yes, Like, I,
Speaker 1: along with the rest of the nation, was just like,
Speaker 1: who the fuck is this? And were you obsessed? I
Speaker 1: was obsessed. I was obsessed even in the the first
Speaker 1: graphics package when they went through all the contestants and
Speaker 1: then she's just walking around d C. Like I even
Speaker 1: worked at the White House, Like I'm talking about how
Speaker 1: she worked for Bill Clinton and she I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: this this woman is she is one to watch. She
Speaker 1: just wanted to watch, and then she became the person
Speaker 1: we know today. All I'm saying is don't ever forget
Speaker 1: about when the piece of plaster header on the head,
Speaker 1: and don't ever forget when On Celebrity Apprentice, she kept
Speaker 1: accusing Pierce Morgan of being closet. It is so ridiculous. Yes,
Speaker 1: let's bring in the you know, they're both like pro
Speaker 1: Trump will I don't know, maybe they've flipped every now
Speaker 1: and well. Anyway, we have to bring in our guests. Yes,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm so excited. This is a guest
Speaker 1: that I think we first saw. We were at the
Speaker 1: same show, coming at a club coming and we first
Speaker 1: saw this guest and I was like, oh, no, you
Speaker 1: must I was like, this person, I just I literally
Speaker 1: went up to Matt after she went up and did
Speaker 1: her set, where she performed her her version of the
Speaker 1: Cup song, where she took out a color purple cup
Speaker 1: and made made Dwayne Perkins tap out the cup song
Speaker 1: so that she could sing her it's it's store. I
Speaker 1: might even well, I don't want to per on spot,
Speaker 1: but I just need to hear it again before I die.
Speaker 1: So if you want to hear things like that, you
Speaker 1: can go yes to the show. She has a monthly
Speaker 1: show at Vital joint. Next one is August and Bad Taste.
Speaker 1: Um she I think is so freaking funny, truly, like,
Speaker 1: what a revelation to see her. You may even remember
Speaker 1: her performance on our I Don't Think So Honey stage
Speaker 1: where she ended her I don't Think So honey in
Speaker 1: a little jingle and a little jink. You remember she
Speaker 1: goes I don't Think So, And it was iconic. It
Speaker 1: was amazing. You know, the stage press is off the charts,
Speaker 1: and the vocalista within was truly unleashed that night. And
Speaker 1: everyone whoever doubted I, who never disagreed, has to bow down.
Speaker 1: It is the most ultimate revenge to become I never
Speaker 1: I do think so? So, I mean, how does it?
Speaker 1: Because this is this is a pretty historic episode already
Speaker 1: for us, because we've never started the episode with anything
Speaker 1: other than I've it is. I cannot even begin to
Speaker 1: sort of get into the amount of blessing that I feel.
Speaker 1: And Omara Husa madeical form released a warm almost there.
Speaker 1: But don't forget. I never forget. Because the family does
Speaker 1: want to investigate ship. They wanted to wait. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with what the family wants an investigation.
Speaker 1: The family wants an investigation. Oh wait, what is this,
Speaker 1: I guess is what you're saying that the Clark Duncan
Speaker 1: family would like an investigation into his death, into his
Speaker 1: death by virtue of omar Rosa. And they never got it.
Speaker 1: But there was play that there was something. Well, because
Speaker 1: you know how the story goes the story, I thinks, okay,
Speaker 1: so this is I knew there was a tragedy in
Speaker 1: her life. This is there's a tragedy in her life.
Speaker 1: And you would hope it was sort of the genesis,
Speaker 1: but it was. It was. It's but a footnote, honey.
Speaker 1: And in the larger story that is okay, So he
Speaker 1: had labored breathing in bed beside her, this is what
Speaker 1: she says, and she heroically she the story goes that
Speaker 1: she allegedly heroically or not allegedly, she he was alive
Speaker 1: and continued to live after this heart attack that he
Speaker 1: had for two months, and um like it was five
Speaker 1: weeks after he passed away that she started shooting The
Speaker 1: Celebrity Apprentice and cast members on The Celebrity Apprentice, which,
Speaker 1: as I can tell you today from being on a YouTube,
Speaker 1: worm Hall included LaToya Jackson, Claudia Georgia on the same
Speaker 1: season as Joan Rivers. She was not okay because I
Speaker 1: think Jones Rivers was on the second season. He still
Speaker 1: was on Iconic season full of heavy hitter. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think Vivocate Fox was on that season. Yeah, and she
Speaker 1: and Amarrossa did not get along. Oh my god, wasn't
Speaker 1: fucking um Sorry, keep going, They all say, like, I was,
Speaker 1: I was watching I was watching them all on Wendy
Speaker 1: Williams because WIMS would have all the celebrity we have
Speaker 1: to talk about Wendy Williams and keep going, but she
Speaker 1: would have all the celebrity Apprentice cast offs, like sure,
Speaker 1: all of them. Almost all of them said that that
Speaker 1: they felt Omrosa was using Michael Clark Duncan's passing to
Speaker 1: her advantage throughout the competition and that she would always
Speaker 1: whip whip it out whenever she was in a tough
Speaker 1: spot and say like she apparently never once cried on
Speaker 1: the show, and she has like, of course, a justification
Speaker 1: for it. In her own interview with Wendy where she
Speaker 1: was like, she was like, you know, I really grieved
Speaker 1: to other losses in my life, and I realized you
Speaker 1: just can't be crying in bed you have to just
Speaker 1: keep going. So I went and shot the apprentice. Um,
Speaker 1: but what I mean what a woman just chills at
Speaker 1: the thought of figure in his Really, really, she's made
Speaker 1: her mark. She knows who she is. I remember like
Speaker 1: like clocking her as a young woman and knowing like, oh,
Speaker 1: people think they see the power now and they don't
Speaker 1: even begin to understand. Because if you are that much
Speaker 1: chaos as a black woman and your edges are that late,
Speaker 1: are you key ding me? Are you kidding me? Shakespearean
Speaker 1: in her way? You know what I'm saying, like you
Speaker 1: peel back the layers. There's more. Absolutely telling you. There
Speaker 1: will never be a day that she is not relevant.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. And the thing is, it's like I
Speaker 1: am now seeing people are trying to find all these parallels,
Speaker 1: and it's like you, you just you simply won't. It's
Speaker 1: a waste. You just have to be here for this
Speaker 1: parallels for what for for who she could be like?
Speaker 1: And no, she's unprecedented, unprecedented. And I'll tell you who
Speaker 1: I mean. If there's a parallel to it's drum, it's Trump.
Speaker 1: It's Trump. It's Trump. Because truly, some talk about somebody
Speaker 1: who just by sheer force of creating drama. And Cass
Speaker 1: has gotten a map his map. Yes, yes, that is Arosa.
Speaker 1: And are we celebrating? Okay, So I so I can't
Speaker 1: obviously entirely celebrate doing damage, but I do have she's
Speaker 1: doing damage. But as an iconic black villain in history, yes,
Speaker 1: and I mean just a trailblazing black villain. I mean
Speaker 1: Conda Lisa is shaking. Conda Lisa is not intellectually are
Speaker 1: creatively capable of of what miss Managualt Newman is capable of. Also,
Speaker 1: I love reading. I love reading. In anyone's Wikipedia, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that they say their whole name and then they say
Speaker 1: often referred to anonymously as omar Rosa. And it's just like,
Speaker 1: like you know how they boiled the name. They also
Speaker 1: builded just often referred to anonymously as omar Rosa. I
Speaker 1: was like, you're right, she is a one name icon
Speaker 1: and she did not like she did not like Christ
Speaker 1: and not herself. She became. Yes, she had the presence,
Speaker 1: she had the sheer magnitude of self of terror. You
Speaker 1: would go into school. I was in the eighth grade.
Speaker 1: The first season Apprentice would go to school. The teachers
Speaker 1: when you start discussions and class about about omar Rossa. Oh,
Speaker 1: did you guys watch The Apprentice last night? How about
Speaker 1: that omar Rosa. It was a phenomenon. I mean, she
Speaker 1: culturally is just a figure. So it's been famous for
Speaker 1: almost fifteen years. That's insane. And it's like, and it's
Speaker 1: what It's the same type of fame. It's what you
Speaker 1: were saying. It's like, it's not that it's shifted in
Speaker 1: any regall. She's like, this is who I am, and
Speaker 1: you will you will something it you will you something,
Speaker 1: you will at least notice correct, okay, and regard it.
Speaker 1: There is a scene in Celebrity Apprentice. I was watching
Speaker 1: it a bunch of clips and it was the scene
Speaker 1: where she was in the van with Peers and she
Speaker 1: was like screaming, and that was when they were competing
Speaker 1: with each other. Then again she was on it again
Speaker 1: right for All Stars, for All Stars, so appease, I
Speaker 1: just wow, what a what a place to be Celebrity
Speaker 1: Apprentice All Stars? What got us fear in the I
Speaker 1: guess Pierce became a judge so then and they they
Speaker 1: made up. No, they did not what he had it
Speaker 1: out for her since the beginning and then there's a
Speaker 1: scene in the boardroom I believe in the episode where
Speaker 1: Olmrosa gets fired because she was always fired. She never
Speaker 1: won there got close. She never even got close. She
Speaker 1: came in eighth place in her first in the third season.
Speaker 1: What character back story, she was a lovely ninth alter
Speaker 1: now whatever title. And so basically he says like, so
Speaker 1: it was a challenge where it was like she's sitting
Speaker 1: there with little John and Dennis Rodden to give you
Speaker 1: an idea again, another true international cultural figure, Dennis Rodman. Yes,
Speaker 1: so it was a challenge where they had to get
Speaker 1: their famous friends to give them money or something, or
Speaker 1: like they had to auction off celebrity belong That's where
Speaker 1: all the challenges were though, right, But but Pierce said,
Speaker 1: Dennis Rodman was able to sell this bat that Derek
Speaker 1: Jeter donated for five thousand dollars. What were you able
Speaker 1: to do, Amarrossa. She was like, well, you know, I
Speaker 1: contributed in other ways. I sold other things. And and
Speaker 1: he said to her, He's like, yeah, but you don't
Speaker 1: have celebrity friends because you're not a celebrity. And this
Speaker 1: has always been my thing with Youmars. You're not a
Speaker 1: celebrity and Omarosa just goes and you are and basically
Speaker 1: it was just like it was just like, how can
Speaker 1: you argue with that. Pierce Morgan is a piece of ship.
Speaker 1: Yeahs per every every day I would die, I would die.
Speaker 1: I would die for her. In the War of Piers
Speaker 1: Versa omar Rosa, I would die for. I would absolutely
Speaker 1: die for And again, you know here it is, it
Speaker 1: comes to a matter of edges for me. Pierce wishes
Speaker 1: Pier's wishes he had the edges. He wishes he had
Speaker 1: the often referred to mana miss Leah, wishes he had
Speaker 1: the regard factor and at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: he simply does not. He wishes that he wrote a
Speaker 1: book called the Bitch Switch Hello at alternate title, you know,
Speaker 1: of whatever book he really he wishes and he couldn't.
Speaker 1: That was what she was promoting when she went on
Speaker 1: Wendy Williams, that Wendy Williams on the map for me
Speaker 1: because I don't I didn't listen to radio. I didn't
Speaker 1: know who Wundy Williams was. And then she had her show.
Speaker 1: But then like it was in the first season that
Speaker 1: she brought up Morossa on and that fight. I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: this is unlike anything I've ever seen. There's a really
Speaker 1: good one. It's beautiful. There's a really good one too,
Speaker 1: where she went on Bethany's talk show. Yes, I could
Speaker 1: talk about Bethany's talk show. Bethany my girl hearts out
Speaker 1: because she's going and I feel very sad for her.
Speaker 1: And there's there's a Trump connection there too. That's so,
Speaker 1: isn't it insane? Okay? Also, I'm because I'm deep in
Speaker 1: the sort of Instagram well of it. Uh that man
Speaker 1: he got top billing on an r i P post
Speaker 1: with Bethany's recently deceased dog. Yes, he did r I
Speaker 1: P to my two babies who gave me unconditional love.
Speaker 1: And it's him and the dog. And it's him and
Speaker 1: the dog and they're like lying back to back on
Speaker 1: her like queen sized mattress. And the man's eyes are
Speaker 1: like open even though it's like lying back to bed.
Speaker 1: It's really so we do have to pray for but
Speaker 1: she's not doing well well. When that news came out,
Speaker 1: we got we were on the same group text and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I hope that there are a
Speaker 1: lot of people around her. She is did you see
Speaker 1: his wife's post? Also, his wife's post was chilling. It
Speaker 1: is all of their children and he's tagged and they're not.
Speaker 1: And it's a very long caption, but my favorite part is, uh,
Speaker 1: no one understood us, but what works for us worked
Speaker 1: for us. See you in another forty years X. So
Speaker 1: there's like there's like a real Jesus see forty years
Speaker 1: and she's got the date. Pat Pat Reagan shout out.
Speaker 1: It works for us, it works for our family. Family,
Speaker 1: that's just what works for them and their family. That wait.
Speaker 1: The Bethany interview is so good with Almarrosa because literally
Speaker 1: Omar Rossa, she and the audience is all white women yea,
Speaker 1: and they're all signing with beth and they're all signing
Speaker 1: with Bethany, and Bethany is so out of her she's terrible.
Speaker 1: She really should never have to talk to I mean,
Speaker 1: because you invite someone like Omarrossa on who like, for
Speaker 1: all intents and purposes, like you could say whatever you
Speaker 1: want to say, but the woman is well educated in it.
Speaker 1: Literally there's an episode where she took a shower in
Speaker 1: front of her audience and she taught them how to
Speaker 1: shower like her, and she was like naked on stage,
Speaker 1: like like like it's like insane. So she's on, she's
Speaker 1: on prepaired, she's not prepared. Basically, Omar Rosa is like, um, see,
Speaker 1: this is the thing, like when you're a black woman,
Speaker 1: you have to be exceptional, you have to be so
Speaker 1: much better than everyone else, and and like you get
Speaker 1: to be mediocre. And yes, I remember this. And then
Speaker 1: and then she said and the audience of course, and
Speaker 1: she was like, I'm not saying that she is mediocre.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, you know that white women get to
Speaker 1: be mediocre, but that and it was true. Um, but
Speaker 1: it's like even in Omar Rossa's villain hood, she was
Speaker 1: coming into the White House with a spy pen iconic.
Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine all the I mean Scaramucci,
Speaker 1: you know he couldn't even no one had to do
Speaker 1: any of this to fucking tap the president over the phone. Bitch.
Speaker 1: It's my least favorite take in the world. I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: I'm so upset with all these journalists in the way
Speaker 1: that they're handling the interviews because because because this is
Speaker 1: this is my thing with it, and I'm really kind
Speaker 1: of like so frustrated with like the media and people
Speaker 1: who are everything. It says everything about why we're at
Speaker 1: where we're at because the priorities are so fucked up
Speaker 1: because they sit here down in that chair and the
Speaker 1: first question is why were you taping? It's like, girl,
Speaker 1: the president said the N word? Or do you not
Speaker 1: want the tape? Right? What is the priority? Blaming the
Speaker 1: literally the victim here? True? I mean this is this
Speaker 1: is one moment where ASA could be called the victim.
Speaker 1: It is like a weird sort of like you do
Speaker 1: have to do the weird math of it, which is
Speaker 1: like you are all evil but sort of in the
Speaker 1: are the enemy if my enemy is my friend, thank you,
Speaker 1: and but it is also like thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: But it is also to me, it's just like it's
Speaker 1: because it doesn't matter. It's because everybody's like we all
Speaker 1: knew he said the N word anyways, And that to
Speaker 1: me is I was going to do this from I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey, I'm just gonna do it say
Speaker 1: it now. I don't think so honey. People saying, well,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter that he said the N word. It
Speaker 1: doesn't not going to change anything. Here's the thing I
Speaker 1: get it. You can not. We have I'm sorry. We
Speaker 1: have to talk about the fact that the president used
Speaker 1: the N word and make a huge and we have
Speaker 1: to make a huge deal out of it, because when
Speaker 1: you start to say, well, that's who he is, we
Speaker 1: can no longer talk about this. That is normalization. And
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, normalizing the president as a racist.
Speaker 1: If it changes one mind, well we're all watching the
Speaker 1: same election. It was pretty close. If it changes even
Speaker 1: one mind to to to remind people and to show
Speaker 1: people with proof that he is a racist and uses
Speaker 1: racist terms, then we must do it. I met somebody
Speaker 1: very recently, a really kind, nice white girl after a show,
Speaker 1: and she was from like down South, and she was
Speaker 1: saying like, yeah, my family thinks I voted for Trump.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. And she was like laughing and I was like, hello, no,
Speaker 1: this is not okay, and she was like ah, and
Speaker 1: I was like hey, seriously, Like, um, I know that,
Speaker 1: like we is after a show and we're like doing
Speaker 1: the nice thing, but I actually want you to understand,
Speaker 1: like that is infuriating to me um as like a
Speaker 1: black person and as somebody who's like seeing this normalization,
Speaker 1: Like you have to like it sucks that it's family,
Speaker 1: Like I guess that's that's a thing that I as,
Speaker 1: like a person who's like a child of immigrants might
Speaker 1: not necessarily understand. But it's like you have to. You
Speaker 1: have to talk to the people in your life. And
Speaker 1: also I had not who voted for Trump, who was
Speaker 1: an immigrant, and we literally had to sit her down
Speaker 1: and be like that is not okay, Like if you
Speaker 1: continue to bring this around our family, like, don't come around.
Speaker 1: We had a close family friend were they both voted
Speaker 1: for Trump, these two Chinese immigrants who were well off,
Speaker 1: we're worried about their taxes whatever. And I had to
Speaker 1: I like, I am I just our conversations that are
Speaker 1: so stilled. I am like this close to just being like, hey,
Speaker 1: I can't believe you fucking did that. Yeah, it's very hard.
Speaker 1: I mean no one in my immediate EVALIU, but in
Speaker 1: my extended family, numbers of people in my family were
Speaker 1: Trump supporters. And it's just like, I'm sorry, but that's
Speaker 1: if it forces a tough conversation, that's and and that's
Speaker 1: that's that's too bad. If that's if that's gonna be
Speaker 1: what your struggle of your life is is that at
Speaker 1: age eight, like you had to have a tough discussion
Speaker 1: with your racist family member, or even if you don't
Speaker 1: want to call him a racist someone who um tried
Speaker 1: to normalize or like let or look the other way
Speaker 1: to racism, then it's not your life. Isn't that fucking hard? Anyway? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just crazy. No, But but anyway, the thing that
Speaker 1: I'm but anyway, but the thing, the thing that bothers
Speaker 1: me is that these journalists are so like, well, it's Samarosa,
Speaker 1: I roll, and yes, of course, always consider, always consider
Speaker 1: the source. But she's giving you has tapes she doesn't
Speaker 1: not have, she doesn't not I'll say something that made
Speaker 1: me a little salty. When April d Ryan tried to
Speaker 1: comfort her on Twitter, I was like, girl, I get it.
Speaker 1: There's history and it's nest deep. You can't. But when
Speaker 1: the stakes are this, you cannot be getting shady with
Speaker 1: omar Rosa and then taking pictures with Sarah Huckaby Sanders
Speaker 1: holding pop Sorry sorry sorry, sorry sorry sorry, they're all
Speaker 1: they look. You cannot be surprised that we have Trump,
Speaker 1: like for example, this this really bothered me, and this
Speaker 1: is another I don't think so, honey, Gail King today
Speaker 1: on the CBS News literally said to Omar Rossa, Omar Rossa,
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of rumors about your relationship with
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, and I just met your husband. Then she said,
Speaker 1: literally in the same sentence, I just met your husband,
Speaker 1: who's lovely backstage. But what is the relationship between you
Speaker 1: and Donald Trump? And Omar Rosa literally said, what you're
Speaker 1: saying is something they have said against women for centuries,
Speaker 1: that women that that women's leverage sex for power. And
Speaker 1: I have never done that. And I was like, Gail
Speaker 1: King is asking this question, and like, and this is
Speaker 1: And then she also was like, why do you want
Speaker 1: to work in an industry where everyone lies? It's politics?
Speaker 1: It's politics? Why are you Why are you asking her
Speaker 1: that question? Did you ask every politician that question? Did
Speaker 1: you work with Charlie Rose? Where are you working? Not that, Gil,
Speaker 1: He'll stop. I didn't like the Savanna gut three interview either.
Speaker 1: I didn't like the Savanna gut three interview. Are so
Speaker 1: well versed, how about you? I'm not. I have not
Speaker 1: kept up with this as much as you have. I
Speaker 1: feel like I cannot keep up too much or I
Speaker 1: will get like the Top News story the top news story.
Speaker 1: See the way Matt emphatically stated lead into the mic
Speaker 1: just fully aligned finger jetting this is the top news story. Well,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this, this is this is the story.
Speaker 1: Engage you've ever been with. The news should always be
Speaker 1: in the news, because I would always the news. I
Speaker 1: find a lot. I can't get enough of this. She's
Speaker 1: iconic because because it's exposed. I truly think that this situation,
Speaker 1: if we just take a step back from the pope
Speaker 1: of it, it is exposing a lot about the way
Speaker 1: that the media and the way that they handle things
Speaker 1: because they are so hell bent. You can see it
Speaker 1: in Savannah Guthrie's eyes and then say a show interview,
Speaker 1: she so desperately wants to like expose Omar Rosa as
Speaker 1: this buffoon because she's this gooofy reality TV star. It's
Speaker 1: like a girl, look at what she's giving you. The
Speaker 1: president is a racist focus. There's like and now we
Speaker 1: have actual hard tape of it. It's not that thing
Speaker 1: before people could be like, oh, maybe this is misconstrued
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's like watching a murder and someone gets
Speaker 1: it on tape and then being like, but why were
Speaker 1: you taping right? What the fun doesn't matter. Do you
Speaker 1: not want the tape? Do we not want the tape?
Speaker 1: So that at that point, then when do you stop
Speaker 1: saying consider the source, right, because then peoplecause people are
Speaker 1: so hung up about this, you stop saying, consider this source.
Speaker 1: If she know you consider the source always the woman
Speaker 1: has tapes, Yeah, she's got tapes, and then this is nothing.
Speaker 1: I think it's like even that thing where it's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, consider the source, but do it side by
Speaker 1: side with knowing that there's this and I and I.
Speaker 1: There's like another problem to me that you're saying about
Speaker 1: media is like there's just no nuance because it's like
Speaker 1: it's just so much more palatable to have something that's
Speaker 1: a headline or to have something that's like this is
Speaker 1: the take, is the definitive take. This is how we
Speaker 1: all feel about the tape, and that's what we have it.
Speaker 1: And then it's new and it's news cycle. Honestly, she's
Speaker 1: playing the new cycle. She's producing a new tape every day.
Speaker 1: And that's why I is actually kind of brilliant that
Speaker 1: she's leaking it like to every to all different networks
Speaker 1: to equal opportunity. She's spreading the well she gives one
Speaker 1: tape to NBC another tape because guess what good's good?
Speaker 1: And you know what I think, title title up Omarosa
Speaker 1: ORMSA episode, Omarosa story. She's bad. But here's the thing, Like,
Speaker 1: here's another issue I have with the media, just the
Speaker 1: mislabeling of things, like like again on CBS News today,
Speaker 1: it was such a bad interview guys, like across the board,
Speaker 1: Gai Gail. Really, she really dropped the ball here. I'm
Speaker 1: really disappointed in gayl Like I'm telling you what I'll
Speaker 1: say it from. Yeah, yeah, girl's breaking my heart. I
Speaker 1: was like, for me, now, get Oprah is Gail's best friend? Again,
Speaker 1: Oprah is not I mean Gail. Did I say that right?
Speaker 1: Gail is Oprah's best friend? Yeah, that's what she is
Speaker 1: to me. Now, wow, she's in the woods to she's
Speaker 1: camping to me right now, because because because she has
Speaker 1: the opportunity, she had an opportunity to not be like
Speaker 1: the rest of them, because she are you talking about Gail?
Speaker 1: Gail is like all the rest of the gal It's
Speaker 1: like parental levels of disappointed. Yeah, I'm disappointed because I
Speaker 1: just want, I want, I expect better from these people
Speaker 1: because like you have, I know, but it is also
Speaker 1: a thing where it's like, I love Gail, but she
Speaker 1: is like an older black aunt to me in the
Speaker 1: sense of there still are these like morality rules and like,
Speaker 1: and so it's like and also she is Oprah's best friend,
Speaker 1: but like there, you know, I feel like there's like
Speaker 1: a weird morality to it, as you know, probably I
Speaker 1: just don't understand how you can hear that question coming
Speaker 1: out of your own mouth and not be like, am
Speaker 1: I being reductive and not being a resounding yes for
Speaker 1: her to accuse a morosa of adultery like or of
Speaker 1: whatever whatever act and that having like some sort of impact. No, not,
Speaker 1: who cares if she donald? And literally it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: because the president used the N word again. Focus, this
Speaker 1: is not she look. And then another thing is she's
Speaker 1: just trying to sell a book. Yeah, she wants people
Speaker 1: to read the book. Everyone who writes a book wants
Speaker 1: to read the book. What everyone does? Everyone who's everyone
Speaker 1: who's I'm writing a book, but no one reads I'm
Speaker 1: going on the news, but don't read my book. And
Speaker 1: it's just such a such a first thought, simple stupid,
Speaker 1: boring thing to say, Yes, very boring Okay, um, let's
Speaker 1: just let's let's that's just switched gears and we really say.
Speaker 1: The reason I wanted this to come out is because
Speaker 1: you don't know what's going to come out. Like wrapping
Speaker 1: the mic. I want you all to to see in
Speaker 1: your mind, this is a topical episode of lost cultures.
Speaker 1: Does you must listen to this today because because this
Speaker 1: look that tape exists and I believe it, and you know,
Speaker 1: to drop it in. Well, she ain't going too she
Speaker 1: doesn't have that one, but she's got she's got I
Speaker 1: know she's got more. Yeah, well she says she has more.
Speaker 1: And at this point, well she has the one with
Speaker 1: the call with all with the other women where they
Speaker 1: that came out today, where they can you summarize it? Yes?
Speaker 1: Do you? Did you hear about this? I did not
Speaker 1: hear about this. So Katrina Pearson, who was his campaign
Speaker 1: spokeswoman or whatever, um like his publicist, got a messy
Speaker 1: looking woman was out there, was out there and was
Speaker 1: out there, was out there three days ago or whatever,
Speaker 1: being like there there is no tape. We never discussed
Speaker 1: there being a tape. I unequivocally deny that Donald Trump
Speaker 1: ever said anything like this I'm paraphrasing, but she was
Speaker 1: out there being like, omar Rossa's ridiculous, etcetera, etcetera. Today
Speaker 1: omar Rossa dropped the receipt Katrina Parson on the tape,
Speaker 1: being like, he said it, he's embarrassed, and then the
Speaker 1: other woman being like, yeah, we should try to find
Speaker 1: a way to spin it, and also we should definitely
Speaker 1: try to get a copy of it. She's good. Save
Speaker 1: my girl had her by pen in the in the
Speaker 1: situation room service. I'll imagine it. It's a big old
Speaker 1: pen too, not even a slow one telling you she's
Speaker 1: she's with she's with the Kelly, she's with the Sarah's,
Speaker 1: she's with the Katrina. She's infiltrated, infiltrated. The circle is
Speaker 1: I'll say it again, it's not nice, but it is true.
Speaker 1: All these women, the evil is sucking them dry and
Speaker 1: looking good edges laid, dark circles, gold and honestly doing
Speaker 1: all her interviews in a bold yellow color. I love
Speaker 1: the look. She looks very good, bright lip. She said hello,
Speaker 1: I'm here, and look. It doesn't it's not ascounting superficial
Speaker 1: as us saying that on TV. You don't you want
Speaker 1: to look as best as you can distract from the truth,
Speaker 1: looks good on the body, the face. Honestly, it was
Speaker 1: she and we also should say, to be fair, we're
Speaker 1: exalting her right now for for seeing the light, but
Speaker 1: she did turn her back on the community. Acted at
Speaker 1: her core is a self interested person, but that she's
Speaker 1: also I'm sorry, I unfortunately she is. Okay, I will.
Speaker 1: What we've arrived at, what we can all agree on
Speaker 1: is that in some way he has met his match
Speaker 1: in her. He created her, and she she molded herself
Speaker 1: after him. She's not shy about saying that. She said
Speaker 1: she wanted to be a billionaire. She was born in
Speaker 1: the projects. I believe she said, I want to make
Speaker 1: something of myself. I went to go learn to do
Speaker 1: that from a billionaire. I became his friend, He became
Speaker 1: my mentor. He taught me everything I know. Now I'm
Speaker 1: going to show everyone that I am ready to step
Speaker 1: outside of his though. It's it's like it's truly like chilling.
Speaker 1: It just like and like impressive and scary like, but
Speaker 1: it really is. It's like she saw that trajectory, like
Speaker 1: she saw that path and she was like, yeah, there's
Speaker 1: no choice for me. But too. But then she was
Speaker 1: also like whatever she was, also she was also smart
Speaker 1: enough to see it for what it was. While she
Speaker 1: was in the throws of this, Yeah, I have to like, like,
Speaker 1: while I'm here, still be finding ways I have to preserved.
Speaker 1: I still have to figure out a way to like
Speaker 1: document this in case sh it turns over. She also
Speaker 1: was I'm sorry, but if you I tweeted this, but
Speaker 1: if you don't understand why she took a recording device
Speaker 1: into the room with all these like white dudes who
Speaker 1: work for Trump, then you don't under You just don't
Speaker 1: understand the experience of being another she was. She was
Speaker 1: protecting herself. Alma Rosa. Okay, and you know what, I
Speaker 1: might get flamed for this, but she's a code switching icon.
Speaker 1: I don't think you're you're totally off here, Like there
Speaker 1: are aspects to do not flame I over this begging
Speaker 1: you don't don't flame her. But it is that thing
Speaker 1: where it's like she does exist as a black woman
Speaker 1: in certain spaces and knows how to like because when
Speaker 1: she started that Wendy interview, she was in it and
Speaker 1: then all I'm here, you know, and but then it's like,
Speaker 1: I mean she's you know, she's getting close with Michael Clark.
Speaker 1: Don't get you know, she knows how to go to
Speaker 1: a cookout occasionally. I'm sure her in Candaszone have had
Speaker 1: a conversation or two. You know, listen, she she knows
Speaker 1: how to operate in those spaces. And then she knows
Speaker 1: how to go into a space with a room full
Speaker 1: of white men and make, you know, and make them
Speaker 1: feel sort of safe enough to say the white men
Speaker 1: thinks that they're going to say inevitably, is it for
Speaker 1: the greater good? Absolutely not. But does she know how
Speaker 1: to play the game and switch it up. Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 1: She's still a despicable person for enabling this perspicable it's
Speaker 1: crude oil at the core. But I will say if
Speaker 1: if the end of her story, at least for now,
Speaker 1: is that we get a tape of Donald Trump using
Speaker 1: the M word, and it changes even some of these
Speaker 1: people's minds, and it just puts us in a position
Speaker 1: where and I don't even know why I'm putting hope
Speaker 1: out into the world because I don't I also don't
Speaker 1: want people to hear this word, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear around that, And I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think anyone wants to hear
Speaker 1: the word because like that like just as like you know,
Speaker 1: hopeful and like, oh, people will finally see there's like
Speaker 1: a great amount of people who would be like hell right,
Speaker 1: and we don't want we don't want to signal fire.
Speaker 1: But but but the thing is like when you say
Speaker 1: that word, that says something defining about you for life,
Speaker 1: and and it's the lies too. It's the lies. No,
Speaker 1: I didn't say it. No, I didn't say it. And
Speaker 1: it's also it's not even just about this word. It's
Speaker 1: about her exposing the White House isn't complete disarray. It's
Speaker 1: her saying he doesn't make decision, he can't, he's mentally incapacitated.
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Speaker 1: Rosa fear sening she's a huge fan of loss culture as.
Speaker 1: I know, I know it, I know it. If you're listening,
Speaker 1: just come to the light, release the tapes and honestly
Speaker 1: joined the ds A. She says she's going back. You
Speaker 1: know where she's gone where. She says, she's going back
Speaker 1: to the ministry. They're like, what's next thing? I need
Speaker 1: to focus on my ministry. I'm like work gay icon't
Speaker 1: no almar Rossa gone in a flaming robelmar Rosamarrossa. If
Speaker 1: you're listening, we would love a tape. We would love
Speaker 1: for you to come on. We would love for you
Speaker 1: to wear a yellow podcast our visual medium. I would,
Speaker 1: I would roll out the yellow carpet yellow. Last culture
Speaker 1: stas emerged. Yes, that says almar Rossa fan. You can't
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Speaker 1: Honestly I had to and after that episode, I have
Speaker 1: to mark my senses as white. Next scene up said
Speaker 1: we're releasing this or harolding omar Wait, wait what we're
Speaker 1: gonna sext about it today? And I could tell she
Speaker 1: was over it. She's just like I was. I was
Speaker 1: making all the points I was making on this episode,
Speaker 1: and I stand by everything I said. But STUDY was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you can't take her seriously. It's omar Rosa. And
Speaker 1: I was like, there are tapes. I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to have lunch Withsa, I don't want to
Speaker 1: hang out with omar Rosa. But you can't deny the tapes. Okay, Um,
Speaker 1: we have to ask you the question me ask dare
Speaker 1: you did not say omar Rosa? What was the culture
Speaker 1: that made you say culture is for me? Um, what
Speaker 1: was the culture that looking me the ice say the tapes? Okay,
Speaker 1: we can revisit this if if you want to think
Speaker 1: about it, No I can. I think I had the
Speaker 1: moment um. So I grew up very Christian. So if
Speaker 1: two people who listened to Larry's episode, we have very
Speaker 1: similar We both grew up pentecostal, penta baby Pentecostal to
Speaker 1: the stage. Okay my drag name. Um, Yeah. But I
Speaker 1: grew very very religious. I was like wearing skirts. I
Speaker 1: remember telling my mom I was not going to have
Speaker 1: sex before marriage and she's listening. Yeah. Yeah, I like
Speaker 1: just lived. I was like, my goal is to be
Speaker 1: like a minister's wife. And so we lived a really
Speaker 1: devout life. And it was like a lot of vegetales
Speaker 1: and like McGhee and me, and like a lot of
Speaker 1: wholesome family value entertainment, even like Seventh Heaven was close.
Speaker 1: Like we never watched like the very special episodes you
Speaker 1: know sometimes, and and so it was like it was
Speaker 1: super super devout. And when we got into high school,
Speaker 1: we got cable and so that was like a huge
Speaker 1: game changer, and I finally was able to understand when
Speaker 1: what people were talking, like what my friends were talking about.
Speaker 1: But the big show was Monk. It was Monk. It
Speaker 1: was Tony Shalu. Oh my god, please unpack that. I
Speaker 1: was captivated by him. I was captivated by him, and
Speaker 1: I think I always will burn like a frightening, eternal
Speaker 1: flame for Tony Award winner Tony Shalu. But I loved
Speaker 1: watching Monk when my parents wouldn't have the TV, Like
Speaker 1: when my parents would stop watching the TV and like
Speaker 1: my dad's to watch like games and stuff, it would
Speaker 1: just like always happen to be on and it was
Speaker 1: just like it was like so invigorating for me. It
Speaker 1: felt very homey. It was like one of the first
Speaker 1: shows where I was like, oh, like I get this
Speaker 1: thing where you go in front of the TV and
Speaker 1: like like you understand, like you feel at home, like
Speaker 1: you see these things that you love. And it was
Speaker 1: and it was Monk that did it. And then after
Speaker 1: like I tried to watch like the other like normal
Speaker 1: like Dirty Rock and normal, but it was just like that,
Speaker 1: and that was a show where I was like I
Speaker 1: have to watch I have to watch it all. I
Speaker 1: have to watch everything. Yeah, and I felt like so
Speaker 1: seen My Monk. I love that. What do you know
Speaker 1: what about the show specifically like spoke to you, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like was there an element that was so so riveting?
Speaker 1: I just I thought it was so funny. I specifically
Speaker 1: there's an episode well I mean yes, but also but
Speaker 1: also like funny, but there's a specifically an episode where
Speaker 1: it's him and Stanley Tucci, and Stanley Tucci plays a
Speaker 1: character actor who is going to be playing Monk in
Speaker 1: a feature film and there is a murder that they
Speaker 1: have to saw that happens like like it's like ends
Speaker 1: up being sort of related to the taping, but they
Speaker 1: have to solve it, and like Stanley Tucci starts becoming
Speaker 1: Monk and like trying to take over Monk's life. That's
Speaker 1: pretty great, Stanley tuccik hot okay, I mean hi Ki
Speaker 1: Zaddy Daddy all the way around, as Pat Regan says,
Speaker 1: and this isn't even one of his catchphrases that everyone knows,
Speaker 1: but secret good body. And I think it just also
Speaker 1: weirdly was a show where like because they had a
Speaker 1: lot of guests starting like fun because like I mean,
Speaker 1: it's Tony Schluved folks, but it's like it ended up
Speaker 1: being a weird gateway for me to get into other
Speaker 1: pieces of culture as well, which is like that was
Speaker 1: a defining thing, was it because you sought out the actors? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that I liked and so and so that I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this guy Stanley Tucci is in Devilware's product. You check
Speaker 1: that out. You don't even like insane, like weird word
Speaker 1: was the hub for the spokes, but it also was
Speaker 1: just like it is like for the most part, very
Speaker 1: wholesome and so it was like a weird uh yes,
Speaker 1: moral bridge and moral like get around the way for
Speaker 1: me to get into like the other like more edgy context. Yes,
Speaker 1: I have to ask not to take the discussion away
Speaker 1: from Monk, but let's let's we're going back to a
Speaker 1: pre cable io. Yeah, were we connecting with the veggie
Speaker 1: tails and and all that stuff on like the same
Speaker 1: well obviously not the same level, but like, was that
Speaker 1: like all you were sort of even exposed to cold
Speaker 1: Now I read a lot. I read a lot because
Speaker 1: of that, I think, and so like I um so
Speaker 1: like one, I secretly read the Harry Potter books. Well
Speaker 1: I wasn't allowed to, and I went behind the vacs
Speaker 1: and I was reading those books. I think I was
Speaker 1: a little but I also was like, no, well I
Speaker 1: don't I won't ever actually hang out with witches. I'll
Speaker 1: just read about yeah, like like sort of like in say,
Speaker 1: like work. I feel like that was like very much
Speaker 1: a theme of just being like I'll just read about
Speaker 1: it and understand it, like like you know, don't embody
Speaker 1: it or whatever. Oh my god, I always I always went.
Speaker 1: When I first heard that kids couldn't read Harry Potter
Speaker 1: for religious reasons, I was like, wait, what is in this?
Speaker 1: But then I guess I didn't understand. I remember also
Speaker 1: hearing about it through school and when kids are like,
Speaker 1: isn't that crazy? And I have to be like yeah,
Speaker 1: because all the kids were also like yeah, yeah, yeah, wow.
Speaker 1: I forget that that's it's weird because well, so I'm
Speaker 1: from Boston and so that's a very liberal, like college city,
Speaker 1: forward thinking, smart place. But not to say that that
Speaker 1: isn't you know that there are intelligent people who are
Speaker 1: who are religious, not to say that at all, um,
Speaker 1: but it it's like it definitely was like we just
Speaker 1: I just grew up. My community was like a very
Speaker 1: small pocket, and my mom was like very careful. I
Speaker 1: just wanted to make sure I was like safe, I guess,
Speaker 1: so in her mind it was like, well you staying
Speaker 1: at church every day? Um? Yeah? And I mean like
Speaker 1: I still did like other outside things, and I had
Speaker 1: other outside friends when I went to a Catholic school
Speaker 1: because there was no like Christian Christian school, and my
Speaker 1: parents were like, these are your friends, we have to
Speaker 1: vet them in their parents. So did you discover that
Speaker 1: in Catholic school the repression sort of led to acting out?
Speaker 1: I was really very very very good I and and
Speaker 1: I uh was very shy also, like I truly remember,
Speaker 1: like when I was thirteen, I remember like talking to
Speaker 1: the pastor's wife and being like, how did you become
Speaker 1: a pastor's wife? Like I think I want to do
Speaker 1: that and she was like, like she really was one
Speaker 1: of people, was like you have time to think about
Speaker 1: but but in my mind, really I was like, I
Speaker 1: think that that's my goal and she was like, but
Speaker 1: for like many years I was just like I like,
Speaker 1: I just I don't see anything fun and what all
Speaker 1: you people are doing? And then like in high school
Speaker 1: I started I joined the improv troup and I started
Speaker 1: doing like drama and theater and I was like, oh wait,
Speaker 1: the freaks are here. This is guy, this is fun.
Speaker 1: So then you were just over the course of four
Speaker 1: years like desecularized and honestly was it was like high
Speaker 1: school and then like and then it was off to
Speaker 1: n y U and not some like seminary. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: applied to all schools in Massachusetts and once either very
Speaker 1: close to my church or with uh sister churches nearby,
Speaker 1: and n y U was the only out of state
Speaker 1: school that I applied to, and that and it was
Speaker 1: a reach. And I remember my guy in this counselor
Speaker 1: whose name I will not say, but she knows who
Speaker 1: she is, was like, you know, maybe this isn't even
Speaker 1: worth it, and I was like, okay, chill, chill, chill.
Speaker 1: And then I got in and they gave me like
Speaker 1: the most like I'm saying, amount of mining until my
Speaker 1: parents were like, okay, I guess you have to do this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then I came to New York and I and
Speaker 1: I still tried going to churches, like I tried for
Speaker 1: a really long time. But I think, like as much
Speaker 1: as I you know, I'm very glad for the way
Speaker 1: that I grew up. It was like one of the
Speaker 1: first places that I like learned about music and was
Speaker 1: able to like be in Christmas plays, you know, like
Speaker 1: all that cool stuff. Yeah, having community, but it also
Speaker 1: was like a true hub of anxiety and repression. And
Speaker 1: like my goal as a woman was to like be
Speaker 1: by the sidelines. Like that was like what I saw
Speaker 1: for myself, Like like if I really am a leader,
Speaker 1: I'll be supporting like a man leader. Like that was
Speaker 1: like what I wanted for myself, which is so and
Speaker 1: so like actually being on my own for the first time,
Speaker 1: I was able to like I realized that I could
Speaker 1: want more for myself and yeah, yeah, is there any
Speaker 1: interest to like want to like re explore that, like
Speaker 1: go back to like different places of worship because like
Speaker 1: people like like like I like, I'm like there's this
Speaker 1: like good community of people in the comedy world who
Speaker 1: like we'll go to like a bunch and like we'll
Speaker 1: go and have a good time and like still like
Speaker 1: keep in touch with that side of them. Not to
Speaker 1: say that like everyone who was like like I'm not
Speaker 1: holding myself to that standard. E there, like as someone
Speaker 1: who went to church as a kid, but like I
Speaker 1: find it interesting. Nation did you grow up I was.
Speaker 1: It was like okay, it was called the Colorado Evangelical
Speaker 1: Chinese Chinese Evangelical Church of Denver, but it was like not,
Speaker 1: there was no denomination. It was just like come if
Speaker 1: you're Chinese and Jesus, yeah, well yeah, we were Roman Catholic.
Speaker 1: We we converted from Greek Orthodox to Roman Catholic when yeah,
Speaker 1: like we had to, like my parents had to apply
Speaker 1: because we moved houses and uh, Greek Orthodox. That's very
Speaker 1: much my mother's side. My mother's religion growing up was
Speaker 1: Greek Orthodox. My mother's father was like very Greek. Um.
Speaker 1: And uh. Then we were moving houses and we converted
Speaker 1: to Roman Catholicism because there was a church by our
Speaker 1: house and and I remember my parents being like it's
Speaker 1: almost the same. And also the masses we're going to
Speaker 1: be in English because the Greek Orthodox is in Greek Greek,
Speaker 1: and it was like Greek to me. I didn't know,
Speaker 1: so we'd just be sitting so Greek to me, um, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh Greek to me, what is that from? But it's
Speaker 1: from because she's a she's Greek to me to me,
Speaker 1: okay cool um. But yeah, we switched and I was
Speaker 1: like this there was no connection to any church, but
Speaker 1: we did go. Like it sounds like it was like
Speaker 1: a big part of your life. Yeah, it was pretty
Speaker 1: It was pretty big for most of it. It is
Speaker 1: also like sometimes I do feel very weird posting videos
Speaker 1: and I know that there's a swear in it and
Speaker 1: like you know, like yeah, that's like embedded. And I
Speaker 1: also recently discovered a lot of my like family friends
Speaker 1: and cousins who was very close with have like unfollowed
Speaker 1: me on Instagram, which I'm like, I'm not hurt by it,
Speaker 1: but it's like I can't even you can't even stick
Speaker 1: around the videos and stuff. You don't even want to
Speaker 1: see that content has posted maybe the only acceptable Instagram
Speaker 1: of like a show, like list of like these are
Speaker 1: my shows this week? And it was and it was
Speaker 1: also religious. It was just the picture of a crying girl,
Speaker 1: yes from Jesus camps camp. And then you had the
Speaker 1: list of shows and then your caption was hello please
Speaker 1: it was reous um. Wait, we have to return to
Speaker 1: Tony sub Oh yes, my man, your man? Now did
Speaker 1: you propily married? I would never step in your marriage, Tony.
Speaker 1: I really want to make that clear. My body got
Speaker 1: so hot at the idea of I don't know a fronting.
Speaker 1: Now that you know what it is, can clock the
Speaker 1: behavior every time I see you now and I see
Speaker 1: something weird happening? Repression there it is? Yeah, sometimes it
Speaker 1: roars through. But wait, have you followed the career of
Speaker 1: Mr Charlob Yeah? I love him? Do you watch Marvelous
Speaker 1: Mrs masl I watched the first season honestly for him.
Speaker 1: He looks good. He got the mustache is so good.
Speaker 1: Mustache is hot. And I recently watched Big Night again
Speaker 1: and people haven't seen Big Night highly recommend our man
Speaker 1: Stanley Tooch is also in there. So is uh former
Speaker 1: husband of Jennifer Lopez. Mark An into acting quite often
Speaker 1: and he's very cute and Big Night, Big Night is lovely.
Speaker 1: But the mustache, it's one of the original appearances. Um
Speaker 1: so um did you happen to see? Um? It's It's
Speaker 1: Leaving Me the musical That just one best musical this
Speaker 1: year Ban's visits. I Love my Man, you love your man,
Speaker 1: I love my man. Did you know that? Did you
Speaker 1: know that I'm actually the woman in that? No much shaddy,
Speaker 1: that's actually me. And when whenever you whenever anyone thinks
Speaker 1: of that song. I listened to that song. I want
Speaker 1: you all have to think of me singing it. And
Speaker 1: I can only imagine this like sonic. This is truly
Speaker 1: what we're doing is horrific. Oh wait you, oh wait
Speaker 1: you you were at the showlot that I was awesome.
Speaker 1: You said you just saw a straight right man. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you think. I thought it was fine, and it made
Speaker 1: me sort of frustrated because I felt like the bedrock
Speaker 1: of everything was so cool. And I also I love
Speaker 1: young Gene. She's so cool, so cool, and I have
Speaker 1: to just admit I haven't seen any of her other works.
Speaker 1: I've read. I've read, and she did like a cool,
Speaker 1: weird production and made a play with some kids. But um,
Speaker 1: when did you graduate? I graduated, Funny, you're seen much younger.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, I hope that everyone she graduated
Speaker 1: last last year. Oh my god, I hope that. I
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen. All the everyone that's driving
Speaker 1: right now is going to run someone over with beautiful,
Speaker 1: intelligent mind. Just have graduated in the university. Anybody, just
Speaker 1: come and find me. I'll drop a pen. Just run me.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, Flamer, your car standing in the middle of
Speaker 1: the road. What were you? What were your studies? I
Speaker 1: was studying education. I wanted to be an English teacher. UM,
Speaker 1: and I say wanted to as in I was like, h,
Speaker 1: I haven't been parents. I won't be a doctor, but
Speaker 1: this is what I can do. And then I like, like,
Speaker 1: I secretly applied to UM. And then I studied playwriting
Speaker 1: there in what department? Uh? And uh did a dramatic
Speaker 1: writing I was. I went to dramatic literally not, I
Speaker 1: has a very amalgamation of me and match. Here's what
Speaker 1: I will say. You are my biological father, Yes we are.
Speaker 1: I graduated from dramatic writing in wait, wait, I did
Speaker 1: not know that at all Aboutely, what did you study TV?
Speaker 1: I studied television writing yet concentration. When you said you
Speaker 1: were in the PROPA were in a danger bar? I
Speaker 1: was not in Danger box. I was not. I was not.
Speaker 1: I was not accepted into doing box. It was a
Speaker 1: Hammercats type of bit. But has either they would they should,
Speaker 1: they should be there, they should be so lucky. I
Speaker 1: was a little. Yeah, I did a little. It wasn't
Speaker 1: a little indie group. Cool. We all met truly in
Speaker 1: the danger box. Happened to auditions and yeah, and it
Speaker 1: was like, oh wait, we are all still very funny.
Speaker 1: Not even I remember getting that no email and this
Speaker 1: also is what it was. It was from Alex Song
Speaker 1: and it was the most it was like the most beautiful,
Speaker 1: kindest email ever. Um, and she was like so nice
Speaker 1: and like now like she's like a friend, and it
Speaker 1: was just like so like genuine, and I mean Alex
Speaker 1: is amazing, but like I remember like crying in Washington
Speaker 1: Square parts, you know, and and just being like I
Speaker 1: won't have community you a freshman, Yeah, that's hard and
Speaker 1: and um. And then like like an hour later, got
Speaker 1: like a text from this guy Andy Anderson Cook. Um,
Speaker 1: he's like a cool play right and a friend. But
Speaker 1: he was like I'm just cool. But he was like, hey,
Speaker 1: we met in these auditions, and I think that we're
Speaker 1: all still really funny. We don't have to get beat
Speaker 1: about it, Like how about we all just think out
Speaker 1: this thing, really do this thing. Um. Smash cut to
Speaker 1: NBC opening, like everyone everyone's singing, even though they kind
Speaker 1: of camp like halloo, yeah, come on, everyone's like and
Speaker 1: now with the performance of Omasharif Matt Rogers, well no,
Speaker 1: look and now I was in fucking writer's rooms in
Speaker 1: check come on. So that's that was always the goal
Speaker 1: of course, graduating from dramatic writing. You want to be
Speaker 1: in the righteous room. Yeah yeah, I I feel very
Speaker 1: for it to be this young and have that happen.
Speaker 1: This is the refression of apologizing and and it is
Speaker 1: like entirely uh and like that's the thing that I
Speaker 1: think about and I will like weep if I think
Speaker 1: about it too hard. But it is because of like
Speaker 1: people like you guys, and like people in our community
Speaker 1: who who just have continued to advocate for me and
Speaker 1: like see me when I like I haven't even seen myself.
Speaker 1: That's passed on from people that did that from up
Speaker 1: and like. But it's because of that like that you
Speaker 1: have learned it and like and like continue to share that.
Speaker 1: That's just like so important, baby babe. No, but like
Speaker 1: we are your biological fathers are so literally we only
Speaker 1: do it believe it would look really bad if we
Speaker 1: remember when you both gave birth to me. Was oh hard.
Speaker 1: We shared one We shared one vaginal canal so ugly honest,
Speaker 1: it was gross. Was just thing we didn't get. We
Speaker 1: didn't get one right up about it. They didn't know
Speaker 1: not nothing split Sider said nothing about it. Splitside was sidless.
Speaker 1: You couldn't even get him on the phone. I couldn't
Speaker 1: even get a ten best moments of the of the
Speaker 1: birth of io Oh my god, can you believe? Can
Speaker 1: you best Brooklyn comedic births of the year? Please? Where
Speaker 1: are you? No? They better make it write a write
Speaker 1: up about this Omarrossa episode, because if they don't write
Speaker 1: this Omarrosa episode up, I'm We've never had an episode
Speaker 1: like this. We we we like got so into the
Speaker 1: topicality of it, like I love it, and like we
Speaker 1: all have we all contributed in these compelling ways when
Speaker 1: when I say it's an honor, like you need to
Speaker 1: know how much I mean have me shaking If you
Speaker 1: can't hear it, you have to be honest with you.
Speaker 1: I'm very happy that you came in an enthusiastically want
Speaker 1: at the top onmar Rosa because this kind of reminded
Speaker 1: me of do you remember when Big Little Lies was
Speaker 1: first breaking? We would be doing episodes and I would
Speaker 1: be like, do you watch Big Little Lies? And all
Speaker 1: of our guests would be like, no, I haven't seen
Speaker 1: it yet, and we'd be like I was even late
Speaker 1: to the game. I was like, I was convinced Seas
Speaker 1: Town in the Straits of California. I want to reveal
Speaker 1: that Bowen and I auditioned for a role which we
Speaker 1: did not. Look. They gave to a go just African
Speaker 1: American model. He was. He's just like out of the here,
Speaker 1: the beautiful and I'm like, oh, so we weren't close,
Speaker 1: like this close because I'm your child, so obviously the
Speaker 1: next logical stick breakdowns did not say African American honest, like,
Speaker 1: here's eight feet tall, gorgeous, gorgeous, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: so yeah, they didn't want this trash and I botched
Speaker 1: that audition I thought I had, I thought I sound
Speaker 1: it a good tape. I was so bummed. I mean
Speaker 1: I knew, I knew we weren't booking. But there, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's some Reese has some dress from the scenes with
Speaker 1: him alone. Reese has some great no no, not, I
Speaker 1: mean we Renada has great. We truly can't reveal, but
Speaker 1: just to say, you know, when you auditioned for something,
Speaker 1: you do see the pages, and we saw some pages. Girl,
Speaker 1: we did not book my my. I think my most
Speaker 1: high profile pages I've seen was a Thirteen Reasons Why
Speaker 1: I did a Thirteen Reasons Why be so good. I
Speaker 1: think it would have been honestly, like the greatest, like uh,
Speaker 1: the funniest thing I've ever done. I mean I would
Speaker 1: have it would have been like a like an old
Speaker 1: legend like that would have been my Andy Kaufman submission
Speaker 1: to be like I was on season three of Thirteen
Speaker 1: Reasons Why I'm a teen with the Secret that's a
Speaker 1: show that is contributing to make the world the worst place.
Speaker 1: That would have been my omar Rosa move. You know,
Speaker 1: you should have taped everything positive. You should have taped
Speaker 1: everything that happened on side all the producer's discussions like
Speaker 1: how can we really glamorized suicide in this scene? Like
Speaker 1: I can, right, yeah, holding out it's like one of
Speaker 1: those big like uh like prop pencils that you got
Speaker 1: from like the Scholastic book fair, Like that's my spy
Speaker 1: pack somebody somebody destroyed three feet long. Somebody described Omarros's
Speaker 1: recording as a talk boy, and I thought that was
Speaker 1: so funny. I don't get it, Like remember those they
Speaker 1: were very popular and like Harry at the Spy Times,
Speaker 1: I love that. That's fine. This is what I do
Speaker 1: imagine omar Rosa does have like and we're back to
Speaker 1: her because that is who she is. But she does
Speaker 1: have like a you know, like a three k it
Speaker 1: in a trench coat sort of vibe. Like there are
Speaker 1: just like like three of like the meanest fifth grader
Speaker 1: are stapped on top of each other with a spy yeah,
Speaker 1: and they're just like, um, yeah, maybe you're a bit Yeah.
Speaker 1: People came talking about me. Yeah, absolutely, I have an obsession.
Speaker 1: Where are we all obsessed with? Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: haven't I remember? No, do you guys remember when I
Speaker 1: didn't stop watching on weekend Update. I'm happy you brought
Speaker 1: this up because I meant too earlier. My Rootolph comes
Speaker 1: in and does bonkers off the mark. But the game
Speaker 1: of the whole fucking thing was that things kept falling
Speaker 1: on her head and it was the funniest thing in
Speaker 1: the past, Like a bowling ball like fell on her
Speaker 1: ad like making contorted faces, and she the things like
Speaker 1: hit her in the head. And I think it was
Speaker 1: Tina and Jimmy. Yeah, I would also, where's just like
Speaker 1: my hour of Maya Rudolph making noise? I know. I
Speaker 1: think it was called the Maya and Marty Show, We'll
Speaker 1: stop because I've died for her. Um, we died for her,
Speaker 1: her Star Spangled banner. We watched it like three nights ago.
Speaker 1: At any moment and just be like, oh, you are
Speaker 1: truly a genius icon the Omarosa of comedy. Thank you
Speaker 1: is Paul Thomas Anderson. This okay, and then back and
Speaker 1: then we're back. I do have to I do have
Speaker 1: to say with the impression because I taped it on
Speaker 1: BCR watt to school. I made my eighth grade science
Speaker 1: teacher watch it because we were both obsessed with the Apprentice.
Speaker 1: But no, but fucking my rough hint ship. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh you were one of those kids I would talk about.
Speaker 1: I was one of those kids seven seventh grade. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, ms Patrick, how far in
Speaker 1: the Da Vinci code? Like I was so freaking obnoxious.
Speaker 1: But now my Rudolf waxon, we can get back to this.
Speaker 1: But my Rudolf foxon, and she goes, where where is she?
Speaker 1: Where does Mr? Trump? I'd like to converse with them briefly,
Speaker 1: like not it's we have to watch it later. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, it's so good. But yes, I was very
Speaker 1: obnoxious in squad. Oh my god, Yes, what was I
Speaker 1: I mean, like I think we all were. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: how you get to where we are. Truly a weird
Speaker 1: thing is happening to me. And if you guys have
Speaker 1: do you know what I'm gonna say, people from high
Speaker 1: school like coming in and then coming out of the
Speaker 1: would work. Yeah, but also being like, hey, I'm really
Speaker 1: proud of you, like you're killing it in New York,
Speaker 1: Like hey dude, and I'm like, you made me set.
Speaker 1: You made me set for years. That's why this is
Speaker 1: my personal anality now. The ultimate to become the most
Speaker 1: powerful man. Learn it, learn it be off book by Monday.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's the ultimate revenge to become the most
Speaker 1: powerful man. Not in the world, in the universe, other planets.
Speaker 1: You're on blast, they're shaking, you're in it's a shaking
Speaker 1: queaking in its boots. I everybody's off by Monday. I
Speaker 1: want Ivo van Hove stripped down. We are focusing on
Speaker 1: the text. We're in a white room, locked in a
Speaker 1: glass box and we're just I'm doing an acoustic cover.
Speaker 1: I'm just pouring down the ceiling. I just want I
Speaker 1: just want the text of it. I want the music.
Speaker 1: Do you need a remix? I can't believe that's that
Speaker 1: wasn't made into like a club remix. That is that
Speaker 1: is the reclaiming of my time. That is the time
Speaker 1: in the Dusk. Oh my god. It is sort of
Speaker 1: in the alignment chart of like iconic black, you know,
Speaker 1: monologue like that scene as chaotic, omar Rosa is chaotic, chaotic, problematic,
Speaker 1: and they're and the fourth space sort of openst neutral
Speaker 1: and math. That's created a new alignment. I think it's
Speaker 1: time we have to move on too. I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey, it's time. Despite me blowing my loads on
Speaker 1: both of my I don't think so honey, prob apparently
Speaker 1: I mean well, I mean I just had when you
Speaker 1: just have to mention, you just have to mention. That's famous.
Speaker 1: So I don't think so honey. Is our segment, Yes,
Speaker 1: but take one minute to rail against something in culture
Speaker 1: that we're not super liking. You guys can come see
Speaker 1: us UM at Brooklyn Bazaar on September two. It's a Saturday, September.
Speaker 1: We are going to be a fun I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: cut you off. I cut you off. I'm said sorry.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a fun Brooklyn Comedy Festival edition. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have some old favorites back, a little bit
Speaker 1: of a legends ball of I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: and some new faces as well. So you've got to
Speaker 1: come out for that. It's on September at Brooklyn Bazaar,
Speaker 1: which I just went to. John Juan a k Drag
Speaker 1: Pageant debut, victorious Drag Pageant debut. Everyone followed Kiko Sware
Speaker 1: on Instagram Season thirteen. Everyone say, um, okay, are you
Speaker 1: saying you want to go first? I think you should
Speaker 1: go first. Okay, all right, this is Bowen yangs I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey. His time starts now. I don't
Speaker 1: think so honey. Movie critics that are saying crazy rich
Speaker 1: Asians is bad because the Asians are too rich. Who
Speaker 1: fucking cares. I've tweeted this, and the critic that I
Speaker 1: subtweeted acknowledge my subtweet by saying I was subtweeted four
Speaker 1: days ago and I'm still reeling from it. To be honest,
Speaker 1: good honey, good, because I do not buy this thing
Speaker 1: where you where you say they're problematically affluent, it's like
Speaker 1: or or or or you wish that there was more
Speaker 1: bite or more venom to the to their affluence. It's
Speaker 1: in the goddamnit title, honey, and the mechanisms by which
Speaker 1: people in Asia become wealthy might might not totally resemble
Speaker 1: the mechanisms at which people become rich in the West.
Speaker 1: You know, like, why even draw your own conclusions about this?
Speaker 1: You work this gorgeous magazine, You are doing fine, and
Speaker 1: yet you want this movie, the first with an Asian
Speaker 1: cast since since The Joy Luck Club twenty years ago,
Speaker 1: to be more be more proletariat friendly. No, queen, No.
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. There's also the Vulture review was infuriating.
Speaker 1: They called it, they called a wealth Trumpian. You can't
Speaker 1: crazy you're waiting till now to say that there's a
Speaker 1: problem with exorbitant wealth in films? Have you been have
Speaker 1: you been saying it about every single black movie that's
Speaker 1: come out? And this is my like, my thing, which
Speaker 1: is also why like I super empathize with it. Is
Speaker 1: just like people of color are not allowed one mediocrity
Speaker 1: like if you have, you know, it has to be
Speaker 1: a masterpiece. And we're also not allowed like folly, like
Speaker 1: it has to constantly be indicting and the fact that
Speaker 1: there is a movie that's honestly i'll like a hit,
Speaker 1: a deeply enjoyable hit, and you're and you're picking apart,
Speaker 1: you know, like the pieces of it. It's like fuck you,
Speaker 1: and you know, and these people, this one critic in
Speaker 1: particulars given free passes to fucking I don't know, tag
Speaker 1: let's say, I don't know. Actually she didn't actually like
Speaker 1: that movie, but like, oh but then he compared it
Speaker 1: to like Succession and how that was a good example
Speaker 1: of and like we're out, we're out, babe, Like no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no, it's just you got like come on, so
Speaker 1: privately think that, like just like don't put it in
Speaker 1: your fucking widely. It's just so it's like it's irresponsible
Speaker 1: because it puts the it gives people a reason to
Speaker 1: I don't anyway. Right, So this is Matt Rodgers. I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey, Okay, we're good. Okay, is Matt Rogers.
Speaker 1: I don't think so many as time starts now, I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey, Savannah Guthree, you we're trying it.
Speaker 1: And that omar Rosa interview because you kept cutting her off,
Speaker 1: and you were cutting her off. And then here's the
Speaker 1: thing when omar Rossa, when you give her the space
Speaker 1: to be like you're cutting me off? Is she says,
Speaker 1: it's strongly and confidently. And then everyone's like, wow, omar
Speaker 1: Rosa is such a bit. And then on Megan Kelly,
Speaker 1: who I don't think so, honey, Megan, but she then
Speaker 1: was like, wow, did you see how the grace with
Speaker 1: which Savannah handled that. Its first of all, you guys like,
Speaker 1: get over yourselves for one second. And then Megan Kelly
Speaker 1: goes and you never, like, the audience is gonna be
Speaker 1: with Savannah. The audience left Savannah. You never turned on
Speaker 1: the host. It's like, well, if the host is acting
Speaker 1: in a disrespectful manner. And I think Savannah got three
Speaker 1: is a good journalist. I like Savanna got three, but
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey this interview because she was
Speaker 1: not being fair to the guest, and the guest was
Speaker 1: the one that's gonna talk. She kept cutting in with
Speaker 1: new questions. Watch the interview and that's one minute. Oh
Speaker 1: I love this. I mean I watched the interview because
Speaker 1: because it's it's ridiculous, like you're getting over Rosa, you
Speaker 1: know what you're gonna get But you as an interviewer,
Speaker 1: that's your guest, and you asked them a question and
Speaker 1: they start answering you, that's not your cue to ask
Speaker 1: another question. Yeah, this is like when Andrea fucking Mitchell
Speaker 1: was like hating on Michelle Wolf after the Correspondence dinner.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, you guys are missing the point or
Speaker 1: it's that like they really I hate when people say
Speaker 1: this because I'm like, it sounds a little conspiracy theoristy,
Speaker 1: but like like they sometimes you think people in the
Speaker 1: media really aretist all like playing for the same team. No, no, entirely,
Speaker 1: That's what I was saying with the April Ryan and
Speaker 1: the you know, Sarah Huckaby Sanders. You know, it's like, oh, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: So I can't trust anything. It's like there is like
Speaker 1: I get that when people are like, hey, what the
Speaker 1: hell is this? Watch this? You know it's it's gross.
Speaker 1: But it is also like with Megan Kelly, like dog,
Speaker 1: could you could you whistle any louder? It's not a whistle?
Speaker 1: I mean. She also recently called Jane Fonda han and
Speaker 1: why Jane again, Like this is like something that just
Speaker 1: don't don't forget Megan Kelly who said Santa Claus was white,
Speaker 1: and she said that factually Santa Claus was white, and
Speaker 1: then she also referred to Jesus as sure, she's a
Speaker 1: fucking idiot. No, she's and a racist, Like this is okay.
Speaker 1: This is the thing that separates the Megan Kelly's from
Speaker 1: the Omrosa is, honestly, is that omar Rosa has at
Speaker 1: least experienced some modicum of struggle in her life to
Speaker 1: have the perspective to be smart enough to pull off
Speaker 1: all this ship and to say that and to express
Speaker 1: that on TV. Well, luckily we're getting a Fox News
Speaker 1: movie that's gonna star Charlie's there on as Megan. I
Speaker 1: mean that actually probably should have been my I don't
Speaker 1: think right there. I just feel like, you know what,
Speaker 1: Nicole Kimman is also in, and I believe she's playing
Speaker 1: Gretchen Carlson. Um. Look, look, it's just you want to like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I have so many thoughts about this.
Speaker 1: It could be a whole other episode. But basically what
Speaker 1: it boils down to is it's like we've heard this story.
Speaker 1: We've heard this story. We haven't heard stories about women
Speaker 1: who's experienced this in careers that don't get the limelight.
Speaker 1: But these women are have told their stories, they have
Speaker 1: the space, They get space every day to talk about this,
Speaker 1: and they also are extremely politically problematic and and I
Speaker 1: think it's horrible that they were sexually harassed, but the
Speaker 1: fact of the matter is like they had a platform
Speaker 1: dangerous and that's about, like I mean, especially if it's
Speaker 1: like Hollywood is going to be, you know, saying that
Speaker 1: they're about the Meat Too movement and saying that this
Speaker 1: is a priority, Like where's my movie about home health
Speaker 1: care aids who you know, who are like immigrants and
Speaker 1: are afraid to speak out against the people that are
Speaker 1: abusing them, Like where is my movie about like nurses
Speaker 1: and you know, like women who are working in factories
Speaker 1: and you know, like can't speak about this thing like
Speaker 1: them empathetic. I love them both. I love Nicole Kim
Speaker 1: and I love Charlie's Yes, yes, yes. And I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that one you know that that allievi or disintegrates
Speaker 1: any struggle or anything horrific, but produce a movie about
Speaker 1: someone else, yeah, because that makes it feel like a
Speaker 1: vanity project totally, But that does make it feel literally
Speaker 1: is a Vanity Project because well, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just mean to say this in a way that's like, well,
Speaker 1: these women have already had a platform to speak out
Speaker 1: about this and like so many So why are we
Speaker 1: retreating it? You know what I mean? Like like there's
Speaker 1: a retreading it. Sorry, there's a lot of there's a
Speaker 1: lot of stories out there that you know, women are
Speaker 1: the focus of women can be the focus of And
Speaker 1: didn't say that Santa Claus was was just white and
Speaker 1: that kids should just get over it. Okay, Wow, I
Speaker 1: love that you went into that. I love I love that.
Speaker 1: This is one of my favorite episodes we've ever done.
Speaker 1: Oh like unique, Okay, I are you ready? Don't I
Speaker 1: don't think I don't think so, honey. Books, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: reads and andys give this woman a real no, she's
Speaker 1: off the fucking rails. Wait, this is io Debiris. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Her time starts now. I don't
Speaker 1: think so honey. The Romans If you have not seen
Speaker 1: this trailer as the new Matthew Weener Project, where he
Speaker 1: takes another story about white people and finds a reason
Speaker 1: to have a moment about white people. There's literally a
Speaker 1: part in the trailer where the text is like booming
Speaker 1: dramatically across the screen and it goes three continents, seven countries,
Speaker 1: eight stories, one family, and it's like bitch, zero people
Speaker 1: of color, Like how much can you just like not
Speaker 1: care about these stories. It's also like zeze ze ze ze,
Speaker 1: we already have Anastasia the goodest animated project about this family.
Speaker 1: I'm good, honey, Like, if you really want to be
Speaker 1: about it, do something interesting, do something prescient, like if
Speaker 1: you really are the guy who's making TV and about
Speaker 1: it and about the zeit gey maam, when you wasted
Speaker 1: your time, you have so much opportunity to do something
Speaker 1: with people of color, care and do it. That's what
Speaker 1: I read it. I'm sorry that were there two people
Speaker 1: of color in Man? There was, and then there was
Speaker 1: the housekeeper. Yes, there was also there was yes, Betty fires.
Speaker 1: There was also a brief subplot where uh, one of
Speaker 1: the guys that can't remember his names like dates a
Speaker 1: woman of color, a black woman, and they go to
Speaker 1: her apartment for like this like party or whatever, and
Speaker 1: she's like, I'm an activist, what are you gonna do
Speaker 1: about it? And he's like nothing, and it's like yeah,
Speaker 1: boom race got him. Sometimes yeah, sometimes mad I mean,
Speaker 1: I love Madman is a show, but like there were
Speaker 1: some there were some like stories or threats or depictions
Speaker 1: of things, whether you're just like wait then what was
Speaker 1: the fucking point? I wonder why he felt the need
Speaker 1: to to to she right, and and my sort of
Speaker 1: thing which might not be the actual take, but it
Speaker 1: is often what I feel is like, obviously I want
Speaker 1: filmmakers to tell diverse stories, and I think that should
Speaker 1: be funded as much as possible. And I love like
Speaker 1: white filmmakers like um, like a Sean Baker who like
Speaker 1: works really hard to tell stories like Tangerine and like
Speaker 1: Florida Project about people who you know, those are not
Speaker 1: his stories, but he wants to fund and produce it
Speaker 1: and like direct them like but so he can do it.
Speaker 1: And also like an empathy to actually listen to people
Speaker 1: and then use that to make like he's not just
Speaker 1: like making it up. And then when the black people talk,
Speaker 1: it's like don't forget you know, Like but but it's
Speaker 1: also like, um, if you are a white person and
Speaker 1: and you don't know how to do it, and like
Speaker 1: on one hand, you don't fund it, help it get made,
Speaker 1: support it, but it's like, listen, if you just want
Speaker 1: to make a heist movie about some white dudes, like
Speaker 1: I'd rather you do that entirely, then try to stick
Speaker 1: in like one black character who's like, hey, should we
Speaker 1: be heisting right now? And you know, and then like
Speaker 1: you're barely touching on identity or you're like trying to
Speaker 1: and it's like, so you can tell. It's so facetious.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like Brad Pitt executive producing twelve
Speaker 1: Years of Slave, you know what I mean, like not
Speaker 1: overstepping the bound, just giving him, giving the money. We
Speaker 1: got to be in the hairmakeup trailer for our second
Speaker 1: but yeah, number on the call sheet Brad, Brad's walking.
Speaker 1: Um wow, No, you're so right. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not I know, it's not like entirely
Speaker 1: the red tick. I know that there's this has been
Speaker 1: in the news though, because um Bo Burnham, Uh, I
Speaker 1: think was catching a little bit of a moment of
Speaker 1: heat about directing eighth Grade. What she did beautiful, The
Speaker 1: movie was outstanding, and I think that you know, and
Speaker 1: also Ms Chloe Grace Moretz was making news because she
Speaker 1: is in that movie. The Miseducation of Cameron Post about
Speaker 1: conversion therapist and her movie is directed by bisexual woman,
Speaker 1: and she came out against the movie boy Erased, which
Speaker 1: stars Lucas Hedges and when it's directed by Um escaping
Speaker 1: me right now, but it's a white man Um who
Speaker 1: was straight, and she kind of said people shouldn't see
Speaker 1: that other movie because it's not directed by someone who
Speaker 1: has this experience, which I think is like sort of
Speaker 1: it's I can tell it's like it comes from a
Speaker 1: place of wanting to be woke play. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's necessarily because it's also like you could have said
Speaker 1: that about Tangerine, you know what. I like, it is
Speaker 1: a weird line to walk. And it's also like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm like we're talking about p T a earlier, Like
Speaker 1: I love, like I love his movies so much, and
Speaker 1: he is like a white guy who's often making white
Speaker 1: guy movies. But I just like very much connect with them,
Speaker 1: you know. And I'm not saying like, oh, you can
Speaker 1: only support X y Z, because that's like, yeah, there's
Speaker 1: different kinds of directors. There are those kinds of directors
Speaker 1: like Sofia Coppola, who prefers to make movies about a
Speaker 1: specific kind of person, whether she's actually like that or
Speaker 1: just no, was the inner life of that person very well?
Speaker 1: That could be true. And then there's people like Angle,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, you make amazing films that
Speaker 1: have nothing to do with him. What do you know
Speaker 1: about being a closeted gay man in the South? Nothing?
Speaker 1: But he made one of the It's so yeah and
Speaker 1: film history. But I wonder also, I mean, but that
Speaker 1: is also very fascinating to me, and and just like
Speaker 1: why I'm also like, you know, like side by side
Speaker 1: to this, let's also have more creators of color and
Speaker 1: queer creators because I think for Angle, and I don't
Speaker 1: know if this is like right, but like I think
Speaker 1: it might get to that thing of code switching and
Speaker 1: like having to understand and empathize with experiences other than
Speaker 1: yours in order to succeed and like survive in the world.
Speaker 1: And so like I mean, part of me wonders if
Speaker 1: if you know, it's that like it's like that ability
Speaker 1: to constantly be two shifting focus and um, I don't
Speaker 1: just like understanding others in order to make your own
Speaker 1: total art. And it's not always like it doesn't always
Speaker 1: have to be a hit or whatever. The sound bite
Speaker 1: at the heart of what Kloe Grace Morette was saying
Speaker 1: was queer voices should tell queer stories, which of course
Speaker 1: is yeah, yeah, but I'm just saying, like, you know,
Speaker 1: they're artists. Are also artists have imaginations, and they're creative
Speaker 1: and they're talented, and like something like just you know,
Speaker 1: you're literally telling people not to see it and I'm
Speaker 1: sure you haven't seen it and curious about the Disney
Speaker 1: prints sort of discourse that's happening Jungle Cruise. Yeah, to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, I I'm not surprised. I wasn't either,
Speaker 1: because it's Disney. I mean, like look, and also they're
Speaker 1: like that's what it was. It literally just about to say,
Speaker 1: I mean, look, it's either they pick a British guy
Speaker 1: because being British seems gay, someone Josh Cad who's like
Speaker 1: a musical theater and like that's and that's day that day.
Speaker 1: But like you know, it's because they're I mean, guy
Speaker 1: Brandam says this beautifully on Twitter, but he's like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's true, like they have this thing about you know,
Speaker 1: it can't be too close to reality because it grosses
Speaker 1: them out. Yes, yes, wow, ummy is scary. Um you
Speaker 1: know what, we ended on an iconic note for an
Speaker 1: iconic episode, and wow, we really got into it. I
Speaker 1: think I think fan club. I think this is the
Speaker 1: over Rosa fan club, and I think that we have
Speaker 1: to go out with wait where we should say that
Speaker 1: Io show in bad taste? Yes? Did you hear my
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