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Speaker 1: really cool. Today we speak with a founding member of

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Speaker 1: a band that is celebrating five decades of work. Uriah

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Speaker 1: Heap is a UK rock institution and a global institution,

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Speaker 1: and they blaze a trail that intersected progressive hard rock

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Speaker 1: ultimately becoming heavy metal. And Nick Box is the distinguished

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Speaker 1: lead guitarist from Uriah Heap. They've just released a new

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Speaker 1: studio album called Chaos and Color and welcome Nick to

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Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. Nick, thank you for being Taken a Walk.

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Speaker 1: How does it feel releasing a new album in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three? It feels fantastic. I have to say, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's that twenty fifth album. We're fifty three years young

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Speaker 1: and we're out there having the time of our lives,

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Speaker 1: you know, So yeah, very happy about it. So let's

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Speaker 1: talk about this Chaos and Color. First of all, where

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Speaker 1: does the title come from chaos and color, Mick. But

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Speaker 1: it's the title of the album that I got, you know,

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Speaker 1: I gave the album that title simply because it was

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Speaker 1: written in the chaotic times of the pandemic, and I

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Speaker 1: firmly believed that, you know, through the difficult times that

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Speaker 1: lot of people through those times, and so the color

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Speaker 1: is the music. So how long was this process of

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Speaker 1: creating this new album and maybe talk about it from

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Speaker 1: the standpoint of you know, and getting folks together and

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Speaker 1: you know, creating. Sure, Yeah, I mean it's one of

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Speaker 1: those things that we you know, we were in that

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Speaker 1: to end, and we were, you know, avidly watching the

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Speaker 1: government's instructions to see when it would open up or

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Speaker 1: if it would ever open up. And then when there

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Speaker 1: was a hint of that, we decided as a band

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Speaker 1: to start writing for the new album and do a

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Speaker 1: It was a bit difference because normally not me and

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Speaker 1: So it was a very long winded way of doing it.

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Speaker 1: But you know, nevertheless, we come up with the goods,

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Speaker 1: government said, okay, we can all be in the same

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Speaker 1: a studio and record the album. We did. We've got

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Speaker 1: we recorded it in seventeen days, and even within seventeen

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Speaker 1: days we went off and headlined a festival on the

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Speaker 1: did anybody ever try to talk you out of it?

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Speaker 1: as you couldn't have been more wonderful, to be honest.

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Speaker 1: that creative period that you described there, I mean, were

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Speaker 1: we were very friendly, very friendly with all of them.

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Speaker 1: a hell of a racket going on that day, Nick,

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Speaker 1: How important is having a sense of humor in the

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Speaker 1: helps you get through any difficult times that you may

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Speaker 1: come across. Of course, So talk about evolution, especially up

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Speaker 1: Obviously you're Riah Heap will always have as its backbone,

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Speaker 1: You know, they're formulating all our festivals, summer festivals in Europe,

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Speaker 1: And so that'd be a bit of fun before we

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Speaker 1: for Cows and Color. Well, I want to congratulate you

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Speaker 1: on Chaos and Color. It's a great accomplishment. It's an

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Speaker 1: uplifting and motivating sound, and you are uplifting and motivating

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Speaker 1: by your energy, sir, and I'm grateful that you took

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Speaker 1: the time to be able to take it a walk. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much, my friend. I much appreciate that

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Speaker 1: you know, and then long may we last. Taking a

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