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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the best type of tires are

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Speaker 1: for your car. Want to make sure your mechanic is

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Speaker 1: getting you an honest diagnosis, then this.

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Speaker 2: Is where to turn for help. Welcome to the car Doctor.

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Speaker 2: What rank and what?

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Speaker 1: Ron Anadian is here to answer your questions about cars.

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Speaker 2: I was go that way really fast. If something gets

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Speaker 2: in your way, turk, get in the call.

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Speaker 1: Oh, nineteen seventy Pontiac Fireber.

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Speaker 2: The car I've always wanted it.

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Speaker 3: Now I have it. I rule.

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Speaker 2: Now here's the car doctor. Ron Anaian.

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Speaker 4: Talking about the repair of the week. Well, it's like

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Speaker 4: German Week at RI Automotive. I'll tell you what. Nineteen

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Speaker 4: ninety eight BMW seven forty IL rolled in the doors.

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Speaker 4: And I say it like that because it seems like

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Speaker 4: every week we've got a different German manufacturer Automobile, mostly

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Speaker 4: BMW US lately. I haven't quite figured out why rolling

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Speaker 4: in ninety eight BMW seven forty IL comes in new customers.

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Speaker 4: Squealing noise under the hood, Well, squealing noise under the

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Speaker 4: chassis was how Carol explained it. And I went for

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Speaker 4: a ride and I sort of heard it, but I

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Speaker 4: didn't hear. And then all of a sudden it started happening,

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Speaker 4: and I got out and I started listening for it,

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Speaker 4: got out my little mechanic stethoscope and sort of poking

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Speaker 4: around trying to nail it down, and had my suspicions.

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Speaker 4: So I said, you know what, you need to leave

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Speaker 4: the car, let me go through it. I want to

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Speaker 4: be sure you're safe. She was traveling upstate New York,

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Speaker 4: or heading up from North Jersey up to upstate New

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Speaker 4: York at the time, and I said, you know what,

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Speaker 4: I've got to be sure that you're safe when you're

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Speaker 4: out on the road. Diagnosed it and came back that

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Speaker 4: the breather and BMW does something that's not uncommon for

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Speaker 4: their automobiles, but it's interesting in the sense that you

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Speaker 4: don't see it on any other vehicles. There's a baffle

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Speaker 4: plate on the rear of the intake manifold that is

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Speaker 4: actually the PCV or the crank case ventilation system. And

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Speaker 4: as I suspected, and the usual diagnosis is listening for

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Speaker 4: the noise and trying to duplicate it. But when you

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Speaker 4: try to remove the oil fill cap and it's held

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Speaker 4: in by such a vacuum because the crank case ventilation

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Speaker 4: system is improper. Now you know that the breather itself

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Speaker 4: is a problem. The check engine light was on and

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Speaker 4: I pointed that out to Carol, and I said, you know,

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Speaker 4: we've got to go in and look at the check

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Speaker 4: engine light and see exactly what's going on there. Perhaps

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Speaker 4: it related to the breather. Perhaps it's part of the

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Speaker 4: breather issue. And her other complaint was that the vehicle

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Speaker 4: was puffing blue smoke when she would go to start it. So,

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Speaker 4: you know, the breather at the rear of the intake

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Speaker 4: was confirmed, but the vehicle had multiple codes and the

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Speaker 4: blue smoke could be accounted for because of the breather issue.

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Speaker 4: And I said, you know, you've got to fix this

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Speaker 4: first before you go anywhere else.

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Speaker 2: But it had multiple codes.

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Speaker 4: Well, the correct way to fix is because naturally, in

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Speaker 4: the back of my head, I go, how do you

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Speaker 4: repair it one problem at a time. And it was

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Speaker 4: removed the upper intake, and we drained out about two

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Speaker 4: quarts of oil. And for those of you out there

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Speaker 4: that have done this repat and you don't take off

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Speaker 4: the upper intake, trust me, you're always going to find

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Speaker 4: oil in the upper intake. We removed the upper intake

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Speaker 4: and drained out almost two quarts of oil because it

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Speaker 2: What happens is the breather.

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Speaker 4: Doesn't allow the crank case ventilation system to work properly,

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Speaker 4: and now it starts to draw oil up into the

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Speaker 4: intake manifold, and it creates issues. It actually pushes oil

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Speaker 4: any place it can get there because it's too much

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Speaker 4: to bleed off somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Pulled the upper intake change.

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Speaker 4: The breather changed all the gaskets and seals, which the

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Speaker 4: greater majority of them.

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Speaker 2: Were either oil soaked or damaged or hardened.

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Speaker 4: Also, because it's an almost ten year old vehicle with

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Speaker 4: a one hundred thousand miles on it, reassembled it clear

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Speaker 4: codes gave Carol back the car explained to her as

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Speaker 4: I had before, that you know something here could return.

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Speaker 4: There's some misfire codes, there's lean fuel conditioned codes, there's

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Speaker 4: that dreaded cat efficiency code that everybody just hates to see.

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Speaker 4: And she needed to be prepared and she understood very

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Speaker 4: clearly that this could be a layered issue. Two days later,

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Speaker 4: We scanned it and the cat code came back P

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Speaker 4: how do you know what started or created the cat code?

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Speaker 4: Did the cat code come about because of age? And

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Speaker 4: I have to say that, yes it's possible, but more

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Speaker 4: often than not a BMW of this caliber, we'll see

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Speaker 4: those cats go one hundred and fifty two hundred thousand

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Speaker 4: to keep the check engine light out. So we sat

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Speaker 4: the check engine light is possibly due to coded cats.

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Speaker 4: You know, all that oil going through the engine goes

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Speaker 4: out through the exhaust. It's now coded the oxygen sensors,

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Speaker 4: and it's coded the catalytic. And I gave her my

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Speaker 4: little lecture as easily as I could about how you

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Speaker 4: know it could have been avoided with better care and maintenance.

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Speaker 4: And I put the question to you as I put

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Speaker 4: ask yourself do you want to fix it now or

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Speaker 4: fix more later? When it comes time to repair the car.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's sort of like that takeoff on that

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Speaker 4: slogan from the seventies and eighties, that commercial about pay

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Speaker 4: me now, pay me later, fix it now or fix

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Speaker 4: more later.

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Speaker 2: You should always know your options and choose wisely.

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Speaker 4: When it comes to auto repair. Because the shooting, the

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Speaker 4: foot you're shooting, let me think about how I want

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Speaker 4: to say this. The foot you're shooting may be your own,

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Speaker 4: and you may be doing it without even realizing it.

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Speaker 4: So you need to stop and think fix it now

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Speaker 4: or fix more later. Maintenance on your automobile is the

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Speaker 4: best bet towards longevity and more controllable, less expensive repairs.

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Speaker 4: Three thousand dollars for bmwkats good grief. Welcome ronin Ady

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Speaker 4: and the Cardock. Let's get over and kick the garage

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Speaker 4: doors open this week this hour, as we go over

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Speaker 4: and talk to Doug down there in Tennessee with an

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Speaker 4: eighty nine plymouth of claim.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Douglas, how many help you?

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Speaker 4: Sir?

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Speaker 5: Hey? You doing man?

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Speaker 1: Sir?

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Speaker 5: Pull up to a stop light. This car bought you know,

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Speaker 5: Brandon in eighty nine, meticulously cared for by my father

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Speaker 5: up to a stop light and it just died.

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Speaker 4: Okay, no chunk, chunk could chunk No, just cle like

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Speaker 4: it turned off.

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Speaker 2: The key exactly.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it just dive. Push it over and get

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Speaker 5: it towed back to the house. And getting different opinions.

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Speaker 5: I got mechanics all around me, so getting different opinions

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Speaker 5: on what it could be. The only thing I've done

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Speaker 5: physically is changed the fuel filter in the back. You

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Speaker 5: can on this four cylinder, you've got a tap that

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Speaker 5: you can take off one end to see the top

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Speaker 5: of the timing bell, right, you little you took.

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Speaker 4: The little cap off. That's the center of the campsprocket. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and looking there, the camp Sprocket's not turning exactly.

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Speaker 5: You crank its like everything he wants to do what

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Speaker 4: Now, if the cam, if the cam Sprocket's not turning

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Speaker 4: and the crank is you broke the timing belt.

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Speaker 5: But the timing belt is very taunt it's very tight.

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Speaker 5: You can't. I figured that, you know, somebody told me that,

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Speaker 5: and I was like, well, if it's broke, I should

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Speaker 4: Well wait a minute, how do you know the timing

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Speaker 4: belts tight? Did you take the cover the upper cover

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Speaker 2: Cam sprocket off.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a it's a plastic cover over one end.

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Speaker 5: You can remove it with two bowld.

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Speaker 4: Right, there's two ten millimeters in a thirteen or twelve down.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you can. You can see that whole end of

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Speaker 5: the upper you know cam with with you know, the

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Speaker 5: timing belt and everything, and you can. I mean, it

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Speaker 5: feels to me. I'm not a you know, expert by ayman.

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Speaker 5: First time I've really you know, that's what's that. But

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Speaker 5: somebody said, well, you broke your timing belt. I knew

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Speaker 5: take that often.

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Speaker 4: But the camsprocket's not turning. Now, Okay, if you put

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Speaker 4: a wrench on the end of the camsprocket, can you

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Speaker 4: turn the came it all?

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Speaker 5: I have not done that.

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Speaker 4: Either a seventeen or an eighteen millimeter box wrench'll do it.

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Speaker 4: And you know, just see does the cam move. You

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Speaker 4: don't have to turn it. A whole bunch just doesn't move.

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Speaker 4: And if it does, you didn't break. Well, you broke

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Speaker 4: the timing belt. It just didn't break you. Actually, shear

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Speaker 5: I've heard. I've gotten that opinion from a couple of all.

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Speaker 2: Right, I mean, listen, it doesn't run at this point.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't run, and the camsprocket doesn't turn correct, but

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Speaker 4: the crank sprocket does.

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Speaker 5: I don't know. I can't see down at the bottom.

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Speaker 4: Well, sure you can if you look at the bottom

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Speaker 4: crank pulley or the Are the other drive belts turning?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you're like the often interbelt and right that

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Speaker 5: the thing they try and turn. Yeah, they try and move.

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Speaker 2: Well, they don't try, do they move?

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm not. I'm not. It's not turning over, so

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Speaker 5: it's not gonna. You know, they're not gonna. But they

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Speaker 5: try to advance. When I crank the motor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well wait a man, let's let's start over. When

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Speaker 2: you turn the key.

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Speaker 4: When you hit the key, Doug, if you have somebody

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Speaker 4: to turn the key, the engine cranks, the.

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Speaker 5: Crank start, Everything sounds acts, everything sounds like it's gonna crank.

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Speaker 2: Does not turn over, so the engine does. It just

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Speaker 2: kind of gives a click and a and that's it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you got to you know, just like

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Speaker 5: if you you thought you had a dead battery and

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Speaker 5: you keep on cranking and eventually you know you're gonna

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Speaker 5: run your battery out. I mean everything all.

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Speaker 2: The time, terminology.

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Speaker 4: If you have a dead battery, the engine doesn't make

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Speaker 4: any noise, okay, if you.

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Speaker 5: Are dying battery.

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Speaker 4: Right, So the engine, but the engine's cranking. The engine

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Speaker 4: is physically turning over. Cranking is cranking, starting is running?

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Speaker 4: Just so we're both the same, right.

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Speaker 5: It is cranking.

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Speaker 4: So this this engine cranks, but it is turning over.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't start. There's your difference. Just just want to

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Speaker 5: Okay, all right.

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Speaker 4: So the engine cranks and the engine turns over, but

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Speaker 4: it doesn't start.

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Speaker 5: Right right, you can you can see I got my

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Speaker 5: You can see the belts at the bottom end trying

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Speaker 2: Okay, so is it now?

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Speaker 4: Is it not doing that because the battery is dead

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Speaker 4: because you've tried starting it?

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Speaker 5: No, no good battery?

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Speaker 4: All right. If you put a wrench on the front

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Speaker 5: Again? I have not done that.

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Speaker 4: Okay, because you know, it sounds to me like, and

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to understand this through the radio, which I

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Speaker 4: like you're describing a crank shaft that starts to turn

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Speaker 2: Is there mechanical damage to the engine.

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Speaker 4: What you're also describing to you, though, is that it

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Speaker 4: then everything gets real quiet and nothing's happening.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I don't want to sit there and

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Speaker 5: just keep trying to turn it over when I know

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Speaker 5: it's not. You know, it's not going to turn over.

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Speaker 4: There's something right there? Is there something mechanically preventing it

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Speaker 4: from turning over? So I would say, we've got to

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Speaker 4: and does the engine mechanically turn over? If it makes

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Speaker 4: it easier for you, then pull the four plugs out

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Speaker 4: of the motor, all right, take away the compression issue.

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Speaker 4: If you can turn the crank shaft and the timing

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Speaker 5: Okay, so I've gotten that opinion, and it's you.

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Speaker 4: Know, crank the crank pulley should still turn when you

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Speaker 4: hit the key. Absolutely all right. What is a two

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Speaker 4: dumb animal. You can take that belt off at sixty

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Speaker 2: Sitting there, yeah, sitting there at idle.

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Speaker 4: That belt should have just you know, discombobulated, tore a

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Speaker 4: got good twelve volts, put a booster pack, a battery

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Speaker 4: If the crank spins and the cam doesn't, you broke

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Speaker 4: the timing belt. If the crank doesn't spin, you've got

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Speaker 4: a mechanical failure that you're gonna have to go backwards

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Speaker 4: that's the case that you don't or you do have

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Speaker 4: a head gasket issue failed inside the motor. Email me

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Speaker 4: let me know what's going on via email info at

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Speaker 4: Rioto dot com, and I'll try and guide you accordingly

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Speaker 2: I'm running any in the Car Car Doctor. We're back

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Speaker 2: right after this.

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Speaker 4: Hey, hey, hey, welcome back, ronin any and the Car Doctor.

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Speaker 4: The interesting article in the New York Times this week.

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Speaker 4: It talked about, you know, the sport utility vehicles and

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Speaker 4: they talk about some of the collectibles and International Harvester,

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Speaker 4: you know International Harvester, the tractor people have put together

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Speaker 2: We're going to get to that in a minute, but

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Speaker 2: the phones are starting to light up.

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Speaker 4: Let's get over and talk to Bob Wilmington Mass see

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Speaker 4: if we can clear some of these out of here.

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Speaker 4: Oh one Toyota Corolla. Yes, how can I help you? Sir?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well you got it. Thanks for taking my carllorry.

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Speaker 4: Welcome, sir, hi yourself.

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Speaker 3: The problem is when I started and at summer went there,

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Speaker 3: it's ninety five percent of the time it revs up

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Speaker 3: to eighteen hundred two thousand and PM. Okay, my concern

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Speaker 3: the piston rings. Well, I'm concerned about major engine damage.

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Speaker 3: Be fise of it.

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Speaker 4: When you say that it revs up up, you're saying

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Speaker 4: on initial startup it revs up to eighteen hundred and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, after a few minutes when when the engine warms up,

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Speaker 3: its go back to normal IDOL. But like I say,

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Speaker 3: my concern is that it's doing engine damage with reving

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Speaker 3: that high, and especially in the winter time, there can't

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Speaker 4: I almost don't think that is that high. And I'll

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Speaker 4: tell you why. I serviced a ninety six Toyota camera

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Speaker 4: it apart the idle air control motor was gummed up,

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Speaker 4: which they typically do on cameras and can corollas have

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Speaker 4: these issues as well. And replacing the IYAK motor, I

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Speaker 4: had to go through the idle up tests. A camray

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Speaker 4: idols up to eighteen hundred rpm on an initial startup,

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Speaker 4: drops down to about one thousand rpm within thirty seconds

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Speaker 2: A cold start.

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Speaker 4: So I don't think your eighteen hundred rpm is excessively high.

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Speaker 3: I'm not doing any damage with that because I can't

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Speaker 3: believe that there's like I say, that there's that much

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Speaker 4: Well, what you have to think about is that's where

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Speaker 4: microscopic form protecting the engine on a dry start like

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Speaker 4: that if you want to consider that a dry start. Now,

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Speaker 4: if you left that engine sitting six months, seven months,

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Speaker 4: eight months and everything drained down, yeah, conceivably you could

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Speaker 4: be doing some damage. But that's the advantage of a

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Speaker 4: good oil pressure system under load. And that's also a

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Speaker 4: good reason why on a vehicle that's coming out of storage,

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Speaker 4: I'll always say to somebody, crank it over, disabled spark

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Speaker 4: and fuel, let it build oil pressure.

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Speaker 2: But in terms of correcting what you've got there, I really.

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Speaker 4: Think what you've got there is normal, Bob. I don't

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Speaker 4: think there's anything you're going to do to correct it.

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Speaker 4: I think it's in the programming of the computer itself.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's what Toyota says, but I kind of thought

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Speaker 3: that was in their best interest not to have to

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Speaker 3: do any serious repair or something.

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Speaker 4: Is it under warranty, it's shifts.

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Speaker 3: Out of warranty. It's got about eighty thousand on it

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Speaker 3: and it was warranty to seventy five.

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Speaker 4: Okay, has been doing this since you bought the vehicle?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I bought it with twenty thousand on it, So yes,

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Speaker 3: it has been doing it. And I've had it into

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Speaker 3: different Toyota dealers for the maintenance, you know, routine things,

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Speaker 3: and I'd always mentioned it and they the first response

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Speaker 4: Sounds like a heck of a time if somebody at

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Speaker 4: But I really believe, and in my heart I got

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Speaker 4: Cameras and Corollas somewhere between sixteen and eighteen hundred rpm

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Speaker 4: even lower. But look at it like this. If it's

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Speaker 4: been doing it for the last sixty thousand miles, don't

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Speaker 4: you think by now the engine would have failed if

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Speaker 4: it's something that exuberant or that far out of the

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Speaker 4: range that oil lubrication is an issue, that it would

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Speaker 4: have caused an engine consumption or an oil consumption issue.

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Speaker 4: I think you're fine. I've seen it on a lot

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Speaker 4: it go with that I'm running any in the car. Doctor,

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Speaker 4: we're back right after this