Speaker 1: Al Zone Media. Oh my goodness, it's it could happen here,
Speaker 1: a podcast that is about things falling apart are Dystopian
Speaker 1: now and tomorrow, And for the last several days has
Speaker 1: been heavily about the Consumer Electronics Show, which is a
Speaker 1: huge event every year where one hundred and twenty to
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty thousand people flood into Las Vegas
Speaker 1: to show off all of the new gadgets and to
Speaker 1: have big, fancy panels on the future of technology. And
Speaker 1: this has been a particularly good year for the Dystopia beat.
Speaker 1: Part of that because the entire industry is obsessed right
Speaker 1: now with artificial intelligence. Now there's a couple reasons for this.
Speaker 1: Every laptop manufacturer is basically throwing out laptops with AI assistance.
Speaker 1: Microsoft's is Copilot, and they're doing this because laptop sales
Speaker 1: have stalled a lot of people, like the pandemic was
Speaker 1: great for laptop sales, and then people stopped buying them
Speaker 1: because most people don't need to replace their laptops very often.
Speaker 1: So there's this death spread hope that by scaring everybody
Speaker 1: into thinking they need AI immediately, they can get folks
Speaker 1: to buy a new raft of machines, and outside of that,
Speaker 1: it's just as I'm sure you're aware, with interest rates
Speaker 1: where they are companies, Tech companies, particularly startups, are having
Speaker 1: trouble getting VC money venture capital money invested in them.
Speaker 1: So there's this kind of desperate hope that by plugging
Speaker 1: AI constantly they can fill in the gap. So today
Speaker 1: we have probably in a week or two, we're going
Speaker 1: to have be putting out a long investigation based on
Speaker 1: number of panels we went to with executives from Google,
Speaker 1: from weirdly enough McDonald's, from Adobe, from Nvidia, from the
Speaker 1: Consumer Electronics Association, in multiple government agencies including DHS, on
Speaker 1: what they see as the future of AI. That's going
Speaker 1: to be some pretty in depth reporting. But today we
Speaker 1: want to talk about the AI products that we've been
Speaker 1: seeing and as a spoiler, they're basically all the dumbest
Speaker 1: shit you've ever heard of. So I want to introduce
Speaker 1: our panel today. Coming back after catching a horrible, horrible
Speaker 1: lung infection, throat infection, some kind of infection. Yeah, Garrison
Speaker 1: got strep throat and despite the fact that we've been
Speaker 1: hanging out together, I did not, which does prove I'm
Speaker 1: genetically superior. We also have Tavia Mora coming back our
Speaker 1: technical expert. Hello Tavia, Howdy everybody, and for the first
Speaker 1: time on well, no, not for the first time, for
Speaker 1: the third time on It could happen here. The upcoming
Speaker 1: host of the cool Zone media tech focused show Better
Speaker 1: Offline ed zitron.
Speaker 2: Ed Wi Guan Hello, Hey, yeah, sorry, Hi, Yeah, hit
Speaker 2: my head on the way, and yeah.
Speaker 3: It's a truly awful show this year.
Speaker 2: The thing that I said to Robert yesterday when we
Speaker 2: were talking about the show, and this really stood out
Speaker 2: to me, is if you had told me this was
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, I'd have believed you. It doesn't feel
Speaker 2: despite the use of the word AI, it does not
Speaker 2: feel like tech has actually moved that far.
Speaker 3: And it's very strange.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was this period of time after the iPhone
Speaker 1: came out where every year there would be really big
Speaker 1: lead in the tech you saw. And this part of
Speaker 1: I think why they're leaning on AI so heavily is
Speaker 1: otherwise it's just the same laptop, smartphones, speakers, connected gadgets,
Speaker 1: you know, autonomous cars and shit that we've been seeing
Speaker 1: for years and they really haven't jumped forward much. But
Speaker 1: you know, the downside of that is a lot of things.
Speaker 1: But the upside of that is people are increasingly cramming
Speaker 1: AI into insane shit in the hopes that somebody will
Speaker 1: want to buy it. And so I want to start
Speaker 1: off ed since you're you are not just our newest
Speaker 1: host but also a Las Vegas native. I think people
Speaker 1: could probably assume that from your Vegas accents. Yes, natural, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what is your favorite or the first AI product do
Speaker 1: you want to get into today?
Speaker 3: I want to talk about the rabbit. The rabbit on
Speaker 3: one Oh God.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: So this thing is a square box and I can't
Speaker 2: tell if it acts without your phone or with your phone,
Speaker 2: but it uses AI. You you speak into it, look
Speaker 2: a walk, dooky, and it does a series of actions
Speaker 2: what you say. So it can do all the things
Speaker 2: that Siri could do five years ago, like change music
Speaker 2: and start. But it also has like a three hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty degree camera, which can based on the extremely
Speaker 2: awkward and agonizing how a long demo twenty five minutes
Speaker 2: but on me it felt like an hour. It can
Speaker 2: look at a picture of rick Castle and start very
Speaker 2: and after several agonizing seconds stop playing never give you up.
Speaker 2: It can also it claims do a series of nuanced
Speaker 2: actions like you can say, get me a cab home
Speaker 2: and also put on my tunes and also change the
Speaker 2: air conditioned at seventy four degrees, all in one one sentence.
Speaker 2: Now you may think, why do I need to spend
Speaker 2: two hundred dollars on a device to do this? And
Speaker 2: the answer is you don't. You do not need to.
Speaker 2: This thing looks cool and on some level, I'm just
Speaker 2: glad we're getting new tat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the design is not bad. It's like a square.
Speaker 1: It looks like it's maybe two to two and a
Speaker 1: half inches by two and a half inches or so
Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, a little screen. It's like well
Speaker 1: designed from an industrial design standpoint, and I think the
Speaker 1: big Yeah, it looks like it's just that it's a
Speaker 1: It's a basically a seri that can use app It
Speaker 1: can use uber, It could book a flight for you.
Speaker 1: One of the things they show is it like planning
Speaker 1: a vacation in London for you, which does seem to
Speaker 1: kind of go against the point of like going somewhere
Speaker 1: new and like figuring out what you want to do there,
Speaker 1: as opposed to it's basically pulling from a list. I'm
Speaker 1: sure in the AI wrote of like top ten things
Speaker 1: to do in London.
Speaker 2: And it's just very weird because all of these tech guys,
Speaker 2: who they very loudly claim their free spirits. They're independent,
Speaker 2: they're not controlled by any authority, they cannot be manipulated,
Speaker 2: all desperately want a machine to tell them exactly what
Speaker 2: the hell to do with their lives. And it's so
Speaker 2: bizarre because they we were discussing the different articles about
Speaker 2: this and people trying to argue other thing these three exists.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, it takes out the friction between all
Speaker 2: of these apps. I'm sorry, I just don't think there's
Speaker 2: that much friction.
Speaker 1: Pull up my phone. I'm on a yes, right, I
Speaker 1: pull out my phone, I pull up grub Hub, I
Speaker 1: order food. It's very simple. It's remarkably easy. I don't
Speaker 1: see how talking to a square is better, Like it's
Speaker 1: the same, Like I could call someone on the phone
Speaker 1: and do it hands free, or I could text them,
Speaker 1: and I always text them because that's more pleasant.
Speaker 4: I mean, like, I have my phone open to signal
Speaker 4: right now, I can swipe up go to Uber in
Speaker 4: less than a second, saying the words move from signal
Speaker 4: to the Uber app. Takes a whole lot longer than
Speaker 4: just doing it with my thumb.
Speaker 1: I also do love the idea of like completely ruining
Speaker 1: the point of signal, which is an encrypted, extremely secure
Speaker 1: messaging app, to be like, hey, random box, I want
Speaker 1: to feed my private messages through you and have you
Speaker 1: read them out to me as I go about my day.
Speaker 1: I don't know what your data retention policy is or
Speaker 1: what you'll be doing with it.
Speaker 3: They sold down and they made two million dollars.
Speaker 1: Like ten million of them ten thousand.
Speaker 2: Sorry, it's just and it's I've read. I read like
Speaker 2: eleven articles about this thing, because I occasionally drive myself
Speaker 2: insane with these things when I see everyone excited about something,
Speaker 2: but I can't read a single article that tells me
Speaker 2: why I should buy it, even though my rap brain says, oh,
Speaker 2: take with screen I want, but then I want to
Speaker 2: use it.
Speaker 3: But I'll have to explain this to.
Speaker 2: The normal people in my life why I have this,
Speaker 2: And I don't want to do that if it's useless.
Speaker 2: But on top of that, I just don't think controlling
Speaker 2: my life with voice is that useful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't like that.
Speaker 1: I'm already and I think a lot of people are
Speaker 1: already kind of fed up with the extent to which
Speaker 1: my smartphone is a part of my life. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: like it does irreplaceable tasks at the moment for me.
Speaker 1: So I have it this thing is number one, adding
Speaker 1: a device because I think it does require your phone.
Speaker 1: But it's also, like you know, in addition to the
Speaker 1: current problems I have with privacy on my smartphone, I
Speaker 1: am adding another company and another device and another set
Speaker 1: of security potential security flaws to it.
Speaker 2: But on top of that, the thing they have failed
Speaker 2: to explain anywhere no jealous apparently is interrogate them about
Speaker 2: this is they claim this thing can log onto your
Speaker 2: Uber and make a flight booking, ostensibly having your passport information,
Speaker 2: your date of birth, and all this stuff. First and foremost, that's,
Speaker 2: like you mentioned, the data retention policy is very strange.
Speaker 2: But where is this crap all happening? Is it happening
Speaker 2: on my phone? Is my phone just doing all this?
Speaker 2: I refuse to believe that. So you're doing this in
Speaker 2: the kind of virtual machine environment. How is that possible?
Speaker 2: Surely these companies are going to have a problem with that.
Speaker 2: Mark Sullivan for Fast Company. Actually, I think ask them
Speaker 2: this and they were like, oh, yeah, they'll be fine
Speaker 2: with it. They just want people using their apps. I
Speaker 2: do not think they're going to be fine with this.
Speaker 2: Companies hate it when they hand off power from the user,
Speaker 2: who will still be liable to another computer.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, the other thing is just that, like part
Speaker 1: of me kind of suspects And when you watch the video,
Speaker 1: we'll play a clip from it in a second. The
Speaker 1: CEO of Rabbit very clearly, like a lot of guys
Speaker 1: in tech, wants to be Steve Jobs. And I will
Speaker 1: say one thing I kind of suspect that might actually
Speaker 1: be that would be a Steve Jobs move, is he
Speaker 1: may have just been hoping that this thing coming out
Speaker 1: selling a shitload on free order and getting huge buzz
Speaker 1: would force these companies after the fact to allow integration.
Speaker 1: Like he may just be gambling, like if I get
Speaker 1: enough buzz behind me, Uber and whatnot will come to
Speaker 1: the table and be willing to work with me, because
Speaker 1: suddenly this is like the Hippus new gadget.
Speaker 2: Except ten thousand customers is actually not that many. And
Speaker 2: I actually look forward to I really can't wait for
Speaker 2: two months to pass people to get this and someone
Speaker 2: to end up like sending the word penis to their
Speaker 2: or company slack because they wanted to order pizza, and
Speaker 2: on top of that, ordering a fly, ordering an uber.
Speaker 2: These are actually really nuanced actions. Coming to mandelay, baitenit
Speaker 2: Uber took me to the wrong place because it decided
Speaker 2: it wanted to go to the convention center. I did
Speaker 2: not select that. If you go to the airport, you
Speaker 2: need to put in Southwest Airlines and what have you.
Speaker 2: With grub hub, you need to do little bits. It's
Speaker 2: just most people don't order lunch. They order something for lunch,
Speaker 2: and I just don't. Ah, this whole thing just feels useless.
Speaker 5: Yeah. See, for me, it's the additional level of abstraction
Speaker 5: on top of these already abstracted apps that we use
Speaker 5: to order our basic necessities like eating and things like that.
Speaker 5: It worries me in sort of like a fantasy dystopic way.
Speaker 5: What happens when people suddenly don't use that after getting
Speaker 5: used to using it, Like what are they going to know?
Speaker 5: Are they going to know how to operate a door
Speaker 5: dash app? Are they going to know how to book
Speaker 5: a flight? That kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is kind of because one of the things
Speaker 1: there was a c neet review that said, like, well,
Speaker 1: the potential of this is that it completely removes physical
Speaker 1: use of a device. So you're using these apps, but
Speaker 1: they're just a part of your life. Uber's just a
Speaker 1: thing you talk to. You never look at anything when
Speaker 1: you do it, And like, is that better? Like I
Speaker 1: don't like the idea that you basically have a robot
Speaker 1: that you treat as like your nanny that plans your
Speaker 1: life for you. Like the amount of hype over there
Speaker 1: will be a more concerted piece about this coming out.
Speaker 1: But the first thing I thought when I looked at
Speaker 1: all these guys talking about how cool it was to
Speaker 1: be able to just tell a robot to book your
Speaker 1: flight and plan your travel and book your hotels for you.
Speaker 1: That's like part of the experience of traveling, and like
Speaker 1: choosing things to do is like one of the things
Speaker 1: that traveling is, and the desire so many people have
Speaker 1: to hand off elements of choice really reminds me of
Speaker 1: like cult dynamics, And I don't think this is a
Speaker 1: consumer thing. I think this is specifically a weird subculture
Speaker 1: of tech people of AI people, a lot of the
Speaker 1: same folks who got into NFTs. But this desire, like
Speaker 1: life is so complex and scary, I want to hand
Speaker 1: over all of my agency to a robot. It's the
Speaker 1: same thing that is behind a lot of like why
Speaker 1: people join cults. And I don't think this is a
Speaker 1: pro societal problem, but I think it is a weird
Speaker 1: problem with the group of people who are most excited
Speaker 1: to have a fucking rabbit.
Speaker 5: It seems like a sad thing to me that folks
Speaker 5: might only attend bars or restaurants that are rated like
Speaker 5: four point five and above that's decided by something else. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and they don't get to have this like experience of
Speaker 5: walking into like the sedious bar you've ever seen in
Speaker 5: your life and have like maybe possibly like a life
Speaker 5: changing experience.
Speaker 2: I was just in South Korea and we went to
Speaker 2: this fried chicken place that ended up being close actually
Speaker 2: was like we opened, but nobody was there, which made
Speaker 2: me just want to leave before getting killed. And so
Speaker 2: I just went to a random chicken place across the
Speaker 2: road from my hotel, and I thought, well, it'll feed me.
Speaker 2: It was wonderful, it was delightful.
Speaker 3: And it was I could not find any reviews for it.
Speaker 2: It was just a flipping place, and I don't I
Speaker 2: think these people who were desperate for a device like this,
Speaker 2: this kind of weird nanny device. First of all, I
Speaker 2: don't think they think about the practicalities of this. I
Speaker 2: don't think this is quicker or easier or better. But
Speaker 2: also they're like, oh, I wish I could just say
Speaker 2: one thing and all of these things could happen for me.
Speaker 2: Same people, by the way, who were saying that people
Speaker 2: need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and do
Speaker 2: things for themselves. It's just I don't know if they'd
Speaker 2: even call it the stopian. It's just weird and sad
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: Speaking of weird and sad, We're going to move on
Speaker 1: to the next product in a second, but first I
Speaker 1: gotta play everybody, in case you haven't seen it or
Speaker 1: heard it, the CEO of Rabbit trying to rickroll the
Speaker 1: audience with his Hell device. Have you seen this, Garrison? Oh? Okay,
Speaker 1: eyes on the screen. Everybody to activate the eye, just
Speaker 1: double tap the button. Oh funny seeing you here, Rick.
Speaker 6: Let me take a look. You're never gonna give you up.
Speaker 6: Enjoy it?
Speaker 3: What am I getting rickrolled?
Speaker 2: In my own?
Speaker 3: Kenots. Let's move on to the next one.
Speaker 2: All right, I have a question real quick. So what
Speaker 2: is the functionality he just activated? Is it that you
Speaker 2: just put you point the eye at something and it
Speaker 2: chooses an Actually the.
Speaker 1: I automatically see Rick Astley and choose to play one
Speaker 1: specific song of his, Because that actually doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: a feature. That seems like a bug.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that seems like what happens if it sees certain people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jeffrey Epstein, Yeah, what happens if it sees Jeffrey Yeah,
Speaker 1: plays children screaming like what is how is this thing work?
Speaker 2: Booking trips to Florida.
Speaker 1: I maybe it's respectable that they showed how bad the
Speaker 1: lag is because that moment where there's quiet after he
Speaker 1: like clicks on, it is like it's loading, it's processing
Speaker 1: for a considerable period of time, and.
Speaker 2: It's just Also I feel for the bloke because I
Speaker 2: know he was probably so excited to do this and
Speaker 2: he's like, I'm going to be Steve Jobs. But man,
Speaker 2: when you can't perform, you don't perform, Like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's bad delivery.
Speaker 2: The did I just get Rick Rold in my own video?
Speaker 2: It was like that I forget what the movie's Oh
Speaker 2: hi mock.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is and obviously like English is the reverse language,
Speaker 1: but like it's a performance. You like you practice, right,
Speaker 1: you get coached and stuff because you're trying to represent
Speaker 1: your company.
Speaker 2: Oh I tell you this from experiences I've run a
Speaker 2: the off. Yeah, that guy actually did practice because all
Speaker 2: of that was He's actual timing wasn't bad. He just
Speaker 2: does not have that dog in him.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you bring in other people to do like that. Anyway, everybody, anyone,
Speaker 1: anyone's mind on the rabbit changed having seen that. Absolutely
Speaker 1: not Garrison has a look on their face.
Speaker 4: No, it's just like what I've always wanted in a
Speaker 4: tech gadget is be able to point at three to
Speaker 4: sixty five degree camera at a picture of a musician
Speaker 4: and then wait thirty seconds and then have an AI
Speaker 4: pick a random song of theirs. That's always what I
Speaker 4: wanted for the future.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's the dream of fucking Archimedes had.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 1: It was when he was building his laser that we
Speaker 1: all saw in the most recent Indiana Jones film. Speaking
Speaker 1: of the most recent Indiana Jones film, this podcast is
Speaker 1: entirely sponsored by that movie. So here's some other ads.
Speaker 4: Why are we giving free advertising to Disney.
Speaker 3: Why are we.
Speaker 1: Why because that movie was so close to being worth it.
Speaker 1: That last twenty minutested no Nazis machine gunning Roman legionnaires
Speaker 1: pretty funny.
Speaker 4: Well, do you know who would have loved the s
Speaker 4: our Comedies? Probably? Yes, he probably would have would have
Speaker 4: had a great time. What what Nextarrison? The product do
Speaker 4: we want to talk about?
Speaker 1: How about the pet one? Garrison? You saw that?
Speaker 4: All right? So I think I think I think me
Speaker 4: and Ed saw chat GPT for animals.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, damn it.
Speaker 4: Which is not really what it is saying. It's like
Speaker 4: it scans a picture of your dog and then tries
Speaker 4: to tell you if it has any health problem. It's
Speaker 4: based on that picture. It's it's. It's You're not You're
Speaker 4: not actually talking to your dog or anything. It just
Speaker 4: it takes pictures of animals and then it analyzes it
Speaker 4: to tell you how the dog is feeling. Blah blah
Speaker 4: blah blah blah. It's it's. I saw a product like
Speaker 4: this earlier at CES. I saw a product. I saw
Speaker 4: a product like this last year. They're just calling it
Speaker 4: chat GPT because it's an AI name. It's it's it's
Speaker 4: it's it's.
Speaker 1: It's hip like because people people, they're hoping that that
Speaker 1: will make people spend money up.
Speaker 2: It was every ces I see something that begins to
Speaker 2: make me disassociate and I walk I walked past there
Speaker 2: and Blovo the chat GPT for and my brain was
Speaker 2: just like, could she just like start like glitching out?
Speaker 2: And then when I went to look it up as
Speaker 2: Garrison did, I was so disappointed because I hope that
Speaker 2: these would just crackpots are like, yep, you put the
Speaker 2: microphone to your dog. Now you know your dog's saying
Speaker 2: that I would respect even if it didn't work, just
Speaker 2: if you're like, yeah, fuck it. Yeah, your cat's said
Speaker 2: he hates here. Your cat's been radicalized them Afraight.
Speaker 1: See, there's a fun product in here, which is you
Speaker 1: sell to Rubes and a product that you're like it
Speaker 1: translates your dog's micro expressions into language. And then the
Speaker 1: actual paying customers are sickos like us, and you just
Speaker 1: take control of somebody's pets voice.
Speaker 4: That would be so cool.
Speaker 1: You can have their like yeah, your cat's racist, now
Speaker 1: your dog's are Nazi like.
Speaker 4: This is this is the perfect product for HP. Lovecraft
Speaker 4: would have loved this.
Speaker 2: No, if you gave me like the show light to me,
Speaker 2: but for dogs on my phone, I would spend whatever
Speaker 2: you want A thousand dollars, I will geah.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't pay like average West Coast rent prices to
Speaker 1: be able to like gaslight some family into thinking their
Speaker 1: dog is a terrorist.
Speaker 2: See a friend of mine, Oh, what's what's wrong? Ed
Speaker 2: chat GPT said the I said that my dogs joined
Speaker 2: ISIS and I don't know. I don't know how he
Speaker 2: did it, but he's been He's talking about a caliphate
Speaker 2: according to the app. I don't know what this app
Speaker 2: is bankrupting me. I paid four and a half thousand
Speaker 2: dollars for this app a month.
Speaker 3: I don't know why I need it.
Speaker 4: So because so I unfortunately had to miss yesterday. So
Speaker 4: there was probably an endless number of tech innovations that
Speaker 4: I was unable to see because I had to miss
Speaker 4: one day. But with the help of penicil and I
Speaker 4: was able to return today to do one final.
Speaker 1: Chat GPT of antibiotics.
Speaker 4: That's that is exactly what my doctor said. Actually, but
Speaker 4: I did. I did swear revenge on cees. So I
Speaker 4: just walked around most mostly mostly the Venetian just seeing
Speaker 4: all of the worst things I could find in documenting
Speaker 4: them so I could get revenge from that twink poisoning
Speaker 4: me with strap throat. So the first really good thing
Speaker 4: is this. I mostly walked around the award winning sections
Speaker 4: because that's where you find only the best. There was
Speaker 4: an award winning speaker called Audio Cu that all of
Speaker 4: their marketing was built from this horrible, horrible uh Ai
Speaker 4: image generation of this like extremely busty blonde woman in
Speaker 4: a latex suit, but if you zoom it onto her fingernails,
Speaker 4: her her fingernails are like sticking through the wrong side
Speaker 4: of her fingers.
Speaker 3: There, my god, oh my god.
Speaker 2: It's the woman's from that one movie for oh damn it,
Speaker 2: not skin the one. The other it was the woman
Speaker 2: where the alien was sexy and then she killed people
Speaker 2: when she had sex with them. It's the same thing, Yes, terrifying. Yes,
Speaker 2: rita's cool in and say what that is?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it looks just like that. It says relaxed, stick
Speaker 4: it in, which is pretty funny. So that that was
Speaker 4: pretty bad.
Speaker 1: Now I respect that. I respect That's that's a baller
Speaker 1: move right there.
Speaker 4: Again. This is this is for a speaker company like.
Speaker 5: DJ Girlfriend in the shape it's a speaker in the
Speaker 5: shape of a girlfriend.
Speaker 4: No, it's just home theater speakers.
Speaker 1: It just have a horrible AI generated woman as their spokesperson.
Speaker 5: I mean I would buy it if it was DJ Girlfriend. Though.
Speaker 1: DJ Girlfriend is a great idea for a product and
Speaker 1: might stop several shows.
Speaker 3: AI has brought back sexism.
Speaker 1: If you do DJ girlfriend right, you could stop at
Speaker 1: least one mass shooting.
Speaker 5: Finally, we have a real solution now.
Speaker 4: Another product that won the CEES twenty twenty four Innovation
Speaker 4: Awards is an AI powered coffee brewer and grinder system.
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna read the description from Coffee's been missing,
Speaker 4: That's right. I know we wake up every morning make
Speaker 4: our little French press coffee. That's fine. But you know
Speaker 4: what could be better? An AI system that does it
Speaker 4: for you. I'm going to read the award the award
Speaker 4: description for this product. Okay, introducing Barista Brew Coffee Brewer
Speaker 4: and Grinders System, a smart coffee system that tailors your
Speaker 4: brew to perfection with AI guided personalization. Easily adjust brewing
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Speaker 4: coffee experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I hear all that. The one thing I
Speaker 2: think is simplify. That's that's simple. The Movie's Spacies, by
Speaker 2: the way, I.
Speaker 4: Love that movie. One of one of one of the
Speaker 4: best hr Geiger art utilizations.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and easily the horniest movie of the nineteen nineties.
Speaker 1: Like this, which is a lot of.
Speaker 4: Which is which is a high high bar, so on on.
Speaker 4: On this AI coffee maker on the front, there's a
Speaker 4: little control panel with nine different settings that you can
Speaker 4: you can change because they're all in a graph. We
Speaker 4: have we have citrus, spice, nutty, fruity, balanced, cocoa, floral, herbal,
Speaker 4: and honey. So you can you can with your with
Speaker 4: the with the ease of a touchpad, start to customize
Speaker 4: your own AI coffee. So that that is revolutionary. I'm
Speaker 4: going to be getting one for Robert this Christmas.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Garrison. I know I've always thought, you know,
Speaker 1: what I hate is the experience of exploring new flavors
Speaker 1: on my own and learning new ways of brewing coffee,
Speaker 1: a beverage I consume every day. So I'm glad to
Speaker 1: be handing that whole experience off to a machine.
Speaker 4: That's right, And I know a lot of people used.
Speaker 1: Tavia just brought something up that I think is relevant here.
Speaker 5: It's a Guardian article about an AI smoothie shop that
Speaker 5: opened in San Francisco well before ce S. That is
Speaker 5: a combination of uh it's being driven forward with AI
Speaker 5: technology as well as five G stuff that I think
Speaker 5: had opened up and then like three weeks later had
Speaker 5: shut down.
Speaker 1: Oh that's too They were like, a robot will pick
Speaker 1: the perfect smoothie for you.
Speaker 2: Well, I actually want to bring work. I want to
Speaker 2: bring something up. So I love smoking me I pelosmokers
Speaker 2: at home. And I saw a few times on this
Speaker 2: show AI grills and I just looked up one called
Speaker 2: a brisk It smart grill, and I was like, how
Speaker 2: could you possibly make a thing which is basically maintaining
Speaker 2: hot air in a tube long enough until the food's done?
Speaker 2: And what it is is it has a thing. You
Speaker 2: can ask the grill what seasoning should I add to
Speaker 2: make my chicken skew a spicy or how do I
Speaker 2: see a medium rest eak? I don't fucking know. Why
Speaker 2: don't you learn to cook.
Speaker 1: You twat, it's just like.
Speaker 2: The enjoyable part of cooking is the experimentation and learning taste.
Speaker 2: But no, thank you, just like that goddamn coffee thing. Oh,
Speaker 2: I don't want to learn anything. I don't want to
Speaker 2: have a human experience.
Speaker 5: That's the thing with a lot of these AI solutions,
Speaker 5: will call them, is I feel like they're robbing people
Speaker 5: of real experiences.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for like no bit, Like there's some stuff that like,
Speaker 1: you know, the ability of a smartphone to once you
Speaker 1: had to be like in a building in order to
Speaker 1: like access a phone or like use a payphone. Now
Speaker 1: you can connect with people everywhere. That's that's a clear benefit, right,
Speaker 1: there's downsides to it, obviously, but it's a clear benefit.
Speaker 1: But like now you don't have to learn. Now, now
Speaker 1: you don't have to cook. You can let a robot
Speaker 1: do it for you. It's like, well, but why cooking
Speaker 1: is pleasurable? And if I don't want to cook, I
Speaker 1: will go to a restaurant or order food, and it's
Speaker 1: cheaper than buying several thousand dollars AI device.
Speaker 4: I mean, some things are hard to learn, which brings
Speaker 4: me to the next product.
Speaker 3: That's smoking me.
Speaker 1: But hard word.
Speaker 4: Kind of like like like.
Speaker 7: Parenting, right, so good, okay, nice, you know what, Garrison,
Speaker 7: I'm proud of you. That was a good SEXUA so
Speaker 7: AI parenting, especially with your infant child. This was also
Speaker 7: in the CEES Awards section, so you know it's going
Speaker 7: to be legit. I was able to see an demonstration
Speaker 7: of an AI baby crib that will shake your baby
Speaker 7: up and down based on facial expression analysis done by
Speaker 7: an AI.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what you do is I'm gonna show you
Speaker 4: show it here. So here is the cutting edge facial
Speaker 4: expressions we have anger discussed fear, happiness, sadness, and surprise,
Speaker 4: and that basically that data will go into this little
Speaker 4: crib which will start shaking and moving up and down
Speaker 4: based on what they skin on your baby's face.
Speaker 2: So to be clear, there is a product snow that
Speaker 2: exists where it drop my phone there. There's a product
Speaker 2: called the Snow which is like a for infants and
Speaker 2: it notices when they're fussing and it kind of like
Speaker 2: lightly rocks them, but the way it rocks them is
Speaker 2: so very light. It is very much a This is
Speaker 2: this is what a mother would do with a brand
Speaker 2: new baby, freshly baked. You don't want to move into much.
Speaker 2: That one has like six pictures from the intro of
Speaker 2: light to me and a heart rate monitor, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: hand over your baby to AI.
Speaker 3: Great.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this product looks like a baby Morocca the pace
Speaker 5: that you've shaken it, which is dependent on what pretty
Speaker 5: much you make pretty much.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 1: I love it also because like a real scandal I
Speaker 1: think from the I think it was in the eighties,
Speaker 1: is like Nanny's shaking babies to death, like the idea
Speaker 1: that like again a machine that can only go at
Speaker 1: a certain pace that's very light.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 1: I get that's a labor stave, especially for like a
Speaker 1: single parent or whatnot. Like you know, some some people
Speaker 1: will need that. But I just worry. I worry that
Speaker 1: we're not all that far from our first and AI
Speaker 1: killed my baby.
Speaker 4: You know, I think I think that. I I think
Speaker 4: the real beauty of this product is usually when you
Speaker 4: have a newber, maybe you have to like watch it
Speaker 4: all night becas it'll wake up, you have to like
Speaker 4: pick it up, pat it, make sure it gets back
Speaker 4: to sleep. You can just leave that baby in the bed.
Speaker 4: You can you can like go to the club. Yeah,
Speaker 4: just leave the baby in the bed. If it starts crying,
Speaker 4: don't worry. The AI will take the will take over.
Speaker 1: We are on the verge of beds that can raise
Speaker 1: our children, just like the Venture Brothers.
Speaker 4: That's right, and and those and those kids turned out fine,
Speaker 4: they turned out great, perfect, But I think luckily, luckily
Speaker 4: for you, because I know none of us are babies anymore.
Speaker 4: But we are all you know, eventually going to get old, hopefully, hopefully,
Speaker 4: And there is air products that will also assist us
Speaker 4: as we get older using the same AI baby tech.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 4: One of the one of the one of the places
Speaker 4: that me and Robert stopped by was called Blue Sky AI.
Speaker 4: It's spelled ridiculously offensively, and they refused to do an interview.
Speaker 1: They were not happy.
Speaker 4: But I was able to get a pamphlet and they
Speaker 4: have an AI that I think they're mostly targeted to
Speaker 4: get at like older people. But quote by comparing the
Speaker 4: way your facial and vocal behavior changes over time, using
Speaker 4: your facial expressions, facial muscle actions, as well as where
Speaker 4: you are looking, your body posts, and the tone of
Speaker 4: your voice, we have the potential to identify and monitor
Speaker 4: all kinds of medical conditions that manifest in the face
Speaker 4: or voice, So it's it's a facial scanning and voice
Speaker 4: scanning uses AI to try to diagnose you with medical
Speaker 4: conditions specific specifically, the guy told us that it's it's
Speaker 4: useful for Alzheimer's. Then he realized we were journalists and
Speaker 4: the nasses to go away.
Speaker 1: It also, but yeah, that's how you know you've got
Speaker 1: a good medical device.
Speaker 4: A good product. At CES Blue Sky uses a continuous
Speaker 4: approach apparent valiance and arousal to measure to measure expressed emotion.
Speaker 4: This better fits the real human experience of emotional states.
Speaker 4: This approach allows emotion regions to be defined and to
Speaker 4: measure the transitions away from and towards these regions. This
Speaker 4: continuous approach, where appropriate, can be mapped back to a
Speaker 4: much less exact categorical representation. For example, excited, calm or angry?
Speaker 5: Did he have horny?
Speaker 4: They do not have horny, not that I can see.
Speaker 1: Look, if you know old people, one thing they never
Speaker 1: stop doing is fun.
Speaker 4: Now, they do have a list of all human emotions
Speaker 4: here that char you turn it on a map. Finally
Speaker 4: that using AI, we can finally figure out what emotions
Speaker 4: you're feeling based on your face, so you can use
Speaker 4: this just with your with your phone camera, with your
Speaker 4: with your iPad camera. They do data collection, data analysis.
Speaker 4: One of the weird use cases that we saw was,
Speaker 4: I know we saw something similar to this already, but
Speaker 4: just scanning your face when driving to tell you how
Speaker 4: you're feeling, which is just quite fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a I could talk about that a second.
Speaker 1: What this reminds me of there was a product a
Speaker 1: few years ago. It was like a robot for the military,
Speaker 1: and the idea was this robot can run in dangerous
Speaker 1: situations and pick up troops that have been injured and
Speaker 1: run them out, which is probably a thing that will
Speaker 1: exist at some point and might even save lives. Right,
Speaker 1: I can see how that would be a useful thing
Speaker 1: in the military can be very dangerous to retrieve people.
Speaker 1: Much better for a robot to get shot or blown
Speaker 1: up in that situation than another person. But to try
Speaker 1: and comfort the soldiers, they gave the robot the head
Speaker 1: of a Teddy Bear, like a metal Teddy Bear head.
Speaker 1: It looked like a fucking nightmare. It's just like, what
Speaker 1: what do you think did you talk to There's all
Speaker 1: sorts of guys who have been shot in combat. Did
Speaker 1: you talk to one of them? Did you go with
Speaker 1: the experience of having your arm blown off? Corporal have
Speaker 1: been more pleasurable if a giant metal teddy bear it.
Speaker 2: So my first job was working on the characters and
Speaker 2: twisted metal, but then I moved into robotics. It's so
Speaker 2: cool that how many of these products are very clearly made, funded, prototyped,
Speaker 2: r and D, hired PR teams. Everyone's done these big
Speaker 2: presentations without talking to a single fucking human being.
Speaker 3: It's so cool.
Speaker 2: It's so cool how much waste there is at this
Speaker 2: show where not a single human soul there is a
Speaker 2: completely different subject. There was like an AI powered nail
Speaker 2: salon thing as well. I saw, and I'm like, that's
Speaker 2: definitely one where you didn't talk to talk to any
Speaker 2: woman though. Yeah, first and foremost in my experience, one
Speaker 2: is scared of a new nail place for fucking up
Speaker 2: their hands. So are they going to spend eight hundred
Speaker 2: goddamn dollars on this thing to maybe get burned? And
Speaker 2: I saw in this article about it just now that
Speaker 2: their thing they said was, oh, yeah, it's like an
Speaker 2: espresso at home. I've had an espressos break multiple times,
Speaker 2: and I realized it may sound weird. How can you
Speaker 2: break an espresso? I'm just built different.
Speaker 1: But if I can break it in just like me
Speaker 1: and strep throat, unbelievable.
Speaker 4: So I do have one more product, and then I'm and.
Speaker 1: Well, first, Garrison, I know you have one more product,
Speaker 1: but we also have one more ad break. Ah, we're back, Garrison.
Speaker 1: What's your next product?
Speaker 4: So we already talked about the Handy, which is you know,
Speaker 4: like sure did, which is by all accounts actually like
Speaker 4: works as intended.
Speaker 1: It's a good product. The people, the PR people, and
Speaker 1: we talked to the CEO. We're not just knowledgeable, but
Speaker 1: like remarkably good at keeping a straight face while talking
Speaker 1: about their jack Well, that's professionalism. You have to respect it.
Speaker 5: Honestly, that was the most professional booth I saw the
Speaker 5: entirety of cees. They were really on point.
Speaker 1: If you are looking for a jack off machine, I
Speaker 1: can't recommend anything more highly.
Speaker 4: Well, Robert, except for our next product, which is an
Speaker 4: AI power to jack off machine.
Speaker 1: Thank god.
Speaker 4: So this is called my Hixel. It is the first
Speaker 4: it's the first app.
Speaker 1: That's an appealing names that's a name that sounds like sex.
Speaker 4: It is the first app for climax Control to incorporate AI.
Speaker 4: Now I'm gonna I'm gonna read through their.
Speaker 5: Really redefines edge technology. Huh.
Speaker 1: I want to make a note before you get into it.
Speaker 1: The thing that they're claiming this is useful for. There
Speaker 1: are devices for and it is a real use case,
Speaker 1: which is that like premature ejaculation, this is a serious
Speaker 1: problem for a lot of it. It's like a quality
Speaker 1: of life issue, right, like it stops people from feeling confident.
Speaker 1: It's a serious problem. There are prosthetic devices people can
Speaker 1: use to train themselves. That's fine, they already exist. This
Speaker 1: is basically like what if an AI could teach you
Speaker 1: how to come slower?
Speaker 4: Yes, and we have a six step layout here describing
Speaker 4: why why my hixel is right for you. For the
Speaker 4: first step is secure and anonymonized data collection, so you
Speaker 4: can get o good all of your coming data stored,
Speaker 4: but don't worry, it's secure.
Speaker 8: See.
Speaker 1: My first question to that is why is data on
Speaker 1: me masturbating being collected at all?
Speaker 4: Well, it could be because they're putting it towards an
Speaker 4: eight week training program.
Speaker 2: No, So, first and foremost, one of the first things
Speaker 2: on the website for this is just the words happy
Speaker 2: sex here, save sixty dollars in my Hixel Control. But
Speaker 2: happy sex here is going to be something I think
Speaker 2: about for a while. But also it says it has
Speaker 2: my Hixel Care and my Hixel Control, two different things,
Speaker 2: and then my hicksl Academy, and sadly you can't click
Speaker 2: on that because I've never wanted to know more about
Speaker 2: what how much material could that be?
Speaker 5: Unless a masturbation academy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought they just called that eton. I was
Speaker 1: a British public school joke.
Speaker 5: It's okay, I made an edging joke earlier and nobody
Speaker 5: caught it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I there's one thing the eating boys do and they
Speaker 2: don't have sex.
Speaker 1: No masturbation.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Sorry.
Speaker 1: Part of what I hate about this is its name
Speaker 1: is so clearly like trying to be respectful and like
Speaker 1: respectable and a tech product name as opposed to like
Speaker 1: one of the things that I respect about the Handy
Speaker 1: people is they just went ahead and called it handy.
Speaker 4: I mean it's weird because like some of their some
Speaker 4: of their free merch were labeled with stuff like download
Speaker 4: the app to control your loads, we bring the game,
Speaker 4: you bring the joystick. The first day you went for
Speaker 4: a run, you couldn't last more than three minutes either.
Speaker 4: So it's weird how they Yeah, I had this very
Speaker 4: like sanitized branding except for their like free merch but yeah,
Speaker 4: it has. It has Bluetooth connection, interactive and personalized settings.
Speaker 4: You can monitor your user evolution, and it is it
Speaker 4: is marked as a medical device. But on on their
Speaker 4: brochure there's just two really really good sentences. There's video
Speaker 4: feedback from our sexual health professionals. So after you come,
Speaker 4: you can get on a video chat and talk about
Speaker 4: there we go, there we go looking good.
Speaker 5: It's the pillow talking. Add on, I'd.
Speaker 2: Love to be one of those people as a gun man.
Speaker 2: Three minutes. You can do better than that. Come on,
Speaker 2: So they are you meant to encourage them?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Are you meant to commiserate with them? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What is the goal here?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: But also I cannot think of a single person i'd
Speaker 2: want to talk about that with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just imagining like the guy in the other
Speaker 1: and be like no, no, no, no, zoom me the camera
Speaker 1: a little more. I want to see those ropes. No,
Speaker 1: that's not bad, that's not bad. Good consistency.
Speaker 5: Okay, let's move that over. Let's see his O face again.
Speaker 3: Wow, you play that, my friend? That your load management
Speaker 3: is very consistent.
Speaker 4: And I think I think we're really missing is how
Speaker 4: much how much AI will assist in this because they
Speaker 4: claim that using cutting edge technology? Eh eh my hixel
Speaker 4: Control is the first solution to include AI and machine
Speaker 4: learning for climax controlled treatment, which is just really really reassuring.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it basically looks like a flashlight that connects
Speaker 4: to your phone and it's an app with anatomical realistic
Speaker 4: interior design and AI and secured it and and adanemonized data.
Speaker 5: I think this is really going to open up some
Speaker 5: avenues for sex workers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, hope, hopefully, hopefully, Tafia.
Speaker 1: It's It's also like the design the handy is very
Speaker 1: clearly a robot. You stick your dick inside and it
Speaker 1: jacks you off. This looks like a flesh light except
Speaker 1: the back and like the front end that we unscrewed
Speaker 1: the top and it's like a fake vagina looks like
Speaker 1: a fleshlight. The back end looks like an incense diffuser,
Speaker 1: Like like someone decided these two products needed to be
Speaker 1: Like what if you could fuck your your aromatherapy bot.
Speaker 4: Finally, So that is that is most of the the
Speaker 4: the just the groundbreaking AI products that I was able
Speaker 4: to see today. Does anyone else have any AI products
Speaker 4: they would love to talk about?
Speaker 1: It's time to talk about ganert I okayert obvious you
Speaker 1: want to start us off about ganert.
Speaker 5: Okay I guess We attended a panel. Which panel was it, y'all?
Speaker 8: That was the dhs AI Yeah, that was That was
Speaker 8: the AI panel with one of the heads of the
Speaker 8: Department of Homeland Security, who I can confirm because he
Speaker 8: turned around to take a selfie has a Hank Hill ass.
Speaker 5: He was very insistent on that.
Speaker 1: No but absolutely no. But and I'm saying this not
Speaker 1: to shame him, but because there are ORTHOTICX for that
Speaker 1: you can get help, sir. That's even a whole episode
Speaker 1: of King of the Hill, one of the better EPISODESOD times.
Speaker 5: Soert AI was announced before this talk that we had,
Speaker 5: and it was a I think the guy announcing both
Speaker 5: this this event as well as the panel had taken
Speaker 5: some time to really focus on the fact that this
Speaker 5: was his quote unquote.
Speaker 4: Opis his his opis opus. He said the word opus
Speaker 4: like five times Ganert's what I'll be remembered by.
Speaker 5: This is my legacy. Yeah, and then I guess two
Speaker 5: of the designers had come up who stuck out like
Speaker 5: a sore thumb compared to like the sea of khaki
Speaker 5: and blazers and things like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they had clearly never ordered a drone strike,
Speaker 1: unlike our hero and Homelands security.
Speaker 4: One of them had a wide brimmed hat that was
Speaker 4: color matched to the Gert logo, which is pretty cool.
Speaker 1: What does Genert stand for?
Speaker 4: Ganert stands for generate, So I think it's actually just
Speaker 4: called it generate. They just took out the vowels. But
Speaker 4: this is going to be a three day event or
Speaker 4: a conference held in Arlington, Virginia's they're claiming that it's
Speaker 4: gonna have like two hundred speakers, one hundred and fifty
Speaker 4: AI sessions, more than five hundred startups, one hundred fifty partners,
Speaker 4: one hundred investors, and around five thousand attendees. They're trying
Speaker 4: to target enterprise governments, platforms, AI tools, AI builders, services, investors, startups,
Speaker 4: and media that it's it's these three events held simultaneously,
Speaker 4: ones just called Gennert or Generate AI, which is about
Speaker 4: just AI AI tech. It's about like AI companies, classes, keynotes, funding,
Speaker 4: blah blah blah blah blah. There is then Voice and AI,
Speaker 4: which is about AI language services. And there's also for
Speaker 4: gov ai, which is about public sector and how the
Speaker 4: government's gonna start integrating AI or regulating AI. And they
Speaker 4: also have one for coding called code Forward, and it's
Speaker 4: it's a bummer. We can't just play the opening video
Speaker 4: because opening video had no like voice here.
Speaker 1: But there's yeah, there's no voice. I can read it though.
Speaker 1: Ninety seven million new jobs in AI, five hundred billion
Speaker 1: in annual AI spend by twenty twenty seven, two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty billion in VC.
Speaker 3: Funding by twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: Conert generate for a new world in a new market.
Speaker 1: Gonert connects and forms, elevates and inspires. It all happens
Speaker 1: at Ganerts.
Speaker 4: And we cannot emphasize it enough. How they hyped up
Speaker 4: VC cash there, there was there was so much build
Speaker 4: up for VC cash.
Speaker 1: I have I have watched people who are dope sick
Speaker 1: by heroin with less jittery excitement in their hands and eyes.
Speaker 3: All right, So but about shit like this?
Speaker 2: So I just did a brief cursory look up Ganert
Speaker 2: and it's and it's it's connected, Confidence, Voice I and
Speaker 2: Gove and code Forward, and all of them are claiming
Speaker 2: the following. They're featuring GitHub, Microsoft, open Ai, Codium tab nine.
Speaker 2: Their thing on LinkedIn has twenty eight followers, and their
Speaker 2: engagement is like when I post the word twitter on Twitter,
Speaker 2: it's not very good at all. I can get more
Speaker 2: on that doing any of the Pocht picture of my
Speaker 2: asshole and get more than that. But also I cannot
Speaker 2: find a single person claiming to attend this. Despite them
Speaker 2: claiming two hundred bus speakers, one hundred and fifty plus sessions,
Speaker 2: five hundred stars, one hundred fifty part one hundred investors,
Speaker 2: five thousand attendees, I can't find a single bit of
Speaker 2: evidence that anyone is ganerting around at all. And also
Speaker 2: they claim to have three different conferences, code Forward, Gove, AI,
Speaker 2: Voice AI and of course Connert AI and I, and
Speaker 2: of course all of these are part of the AI
Speaker 2: beta experience.
Speaker 3: I don't know why you put beta.
Speaker 2: People are beta as hell, But also why have you
Speaker 2: got beta on a conference?
Speaker 3: What are you doing? But also.
Speaker 2: Featuring open AI and video Microsoft, Google, and Verituan. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna guess that they've got like chat, GPT, open on
Speaker 2: a computer, an Nvidio GPU and something Microsoft Word and
Speaker 2: they've used Google. And it's very strange because I don't
Speaker 2: know what this thing.
Speaker 1: Is, you know. I think what it is is some
Speaker 1: guys who have a degree of like nay like like
Speaker 1: some guys who are hoping that they don't have any
Speaker 1: actual ideas for it to do with AI, so they're
Speaker 1: hoping that if they create a conference and make that
Speaker 1: be like the Cees of AI, they can kind of
Speaker 1: force a place for themselves and also attract a bunch
Speaker 1: of suction up a bunch of money.
Speaker 2: I also found some I found some of the speakers.
Speaker 2: You've got fellow called Adam Goldberg, who's an account director
Speaker 2: and head of a is your open Ai enablement on
Speaker 2: the go to market team open Ai. They found a
Speaker 2: sales guy from open ai and then said they got
Speaker 2: someone from open Ai. They got someone from JP Morgan,
Speaker 2: Chile's data and AI design. These are all fake jobs.
Speaker 2: These aren't real jobs. And I think that these conferences
Speaker 2: are amazing as well, because all people do at them
Speaker 2: is they go they watch these things where people go
Speaker 2: up on stage and go, you know, generative AI is
Speaker 2: going to create maybe even trillions of dollars of value
Speaker 2: at some point, and you know, the synergy between generative
Speaker 2: AI and data collection but also data silos is going
Speaker 2: to be truly, truly innovative. And everyone's like, holy fucking shit,
Speaker 2: whoa holy shit, piss no, and then they all post
Speaker 2: it on Twitter and they all forget it. Ever happened immediately.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we call that the dividend.
Speaker 4: We do call that the dividend. So Gert's being put
Speaker 4: on by this guy who runs this like panel collection
Speaker 4: called brands gpt at ces.
Speaker 2: With a Z.
Speaker 1: No, it's not Pear and Gar with a Z.
Speaker 4: Should it should be. I think me and Robert both
Speaker 4: went to like one or two of these brands GPT panels.
Speaker 4: This is the one where Robert got to yell at
Speaker 4: Google and Microsoft and get them mad.
Speaker 1: No Google and McDonald's McDon donald's ahead of AI, which
Speaker 1: is a thing.
Speaker 4: So they look to basically just focus on like convention programming.
Speaker 4: So now they're trying to put on their own convention
Speaker 4: that they're calling Ganert instead of just running this brand's
Speaker 4: gpt at CES. So that's that's the background. It's it's
Speaker 4: done by Mode v events. That's Mode and the letter VD.
Speaker 4: But one word that's like the parent company for this.
Speaker 4: I'll be interested once we get closer to October. I'll
Speaker 4: be interested to see if this is looking more like
Speaker 4: a real event. It's it's not going to be that
Speaker 4: far for me to travel. But no, they're they're promising
Speaker 4: five hundred billion dollars in annual AI spending with two
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty billion new VC cash investments, which is
Speaker 4: which is quite promised.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so hopefully this beta test goes like the last
Speaker 1: video game beta test that I went to and everybody
Speaker 1: clips through the floor and disappears into avoid Well, I
Speaker 1: think that's gonna do it for us in this episode.
Speaker 1: And I want to leave you all with well, before
Speaker 1: we've got one more thing. But before we get into that,
Speaker 1: which which will be fun, I want to talk about
Speaker 1: something sobering, which is that, as you may get from this,
Speaker 1: nearly one hundred percent of the AI use cases that
Speaker 1: we saw presented were either nonsense or incredibly vague. At
Speaker 1: these different that where you had people from like Nvidia
Speaker 1: and Adobe and whatnot that like they wouldn't say like,
Speaker 1: we're going to use AI for this specific task. They
Speaker 1: would say we're going to use AI to get more nimble,
Speaker 1: which I think means firing people.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Outside of that, the only real specific use cases that
Speaker 1: were not clearly nonsense. We're stuff like replacing you know,
Speaker 1: customer service workers with chatbots, which is bad, and to
Speaker 1: be fair, some also really good stuff like that telescope
Speaker 1: that used kind of machine learning in order to like
Speaker 1: clean up images so that you can get better, better
Speaker 1: images and whatnot when you're in an area with a
Speaker 1: lot of light pollution. There was some stuff like that,
Speaker 1: but usually very vague. The use cases for AI was
Speaker 1: always extremely clear were the harms and the very first
Speaker 1: panel we attended, there's a company called Deloitte. They're a
Speaker 1: huge consulting firm. If you know about McKenzie because they're
Speaker 1: currently somewhat rightfully so a bit of a bugbear on
Speaker 1: the left, Deloitte is a similar kind of organization, right
Speaker 1: I think they're a bit less toxic, but to a
Speaker 1: marginal degree. They're like a massive consulting firm. Companies bring
Speaker 1: them in in order to help them streamline and make
Speaker 1: processes more efficient and stuff, and one of their people
Speaker 1: said that according to their internal metrics, they expected half
Speaker 1: a trillion dollars in fraud this year in one year
Speaker 1: due just to voice cloning AI. And that was a
Speaker 1: more specific statement of what AI is going to do
Speaker 1: to change people's lives than absolutely any positive use case
Speaker 1: I heard presented at this conference.
Speaker 4: Could you like explain what you mean by voice cloning
Speaker 4: so AI.
Speaker 1: You know, we did a couple of Bastards episodes talking
Speaker 1: about scams and like how they've contributed to the decline
Speaker 1: of trust in our society. One of the things that
Speaker 1: is in the last year or so become a massive
Speaker 1: problem is there are now AI things that can generate
Speaker 1: a human voice near perfectly to the point where, especially
Speaker 1: if it is a voice of say your kid calls
Speaker 1: you and they're telling you that they have been fucking
Speaker 1: kidnapped or you know, something else has happened and they
Speaker 1: need you to wire them money desperately and you send
Speaker 1: them the money, it's a fucking scam, right that is.
Speaker 1: We had a person from Deloitte, and I think it
Speaker 1: was a person from Adobe, say that they had been
Speaker 1: called by a colleague who had gotten like a call
Speaker 1: thinking it was that seemed to be them asking them
Speaker 1: to buy a bunch of Apple gift cards like shit,
Speaker 1: Like this is extreme and it's only going to get
Speaker 1: more common. You can automate to the writing of the
Speaker 1: scams and the sending of the scams using these AI tools,
Speaker 1: and that is absolutely, in my opinion, much more of
Speaker 1: a direct way in which AI is going to affect
Speaker 1: people than any single product or even cumulatively, all of
Speaker 1: the AI products we saw at CE.
Speaker 4: All that uplifting note Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So that's a bummer, and well, we will be going
Speaker 1: into more depth about that, but I wanted to end.
Speaker 1: Tavia took notes at all of the buzzwords, particularly the
Speaker 1: AI buzzwords that we heard during the convention, and she's
Speaker 1: going to read that to us now.
Speaker 5: You gotta tell you, this list is incredible. I've worked
Speaker 5: in and out of corporate America, and much like a cult,
Speaker 5: they have their own internal vocabulary that they use, and
Speaker 5: this convention we went to was just filthy with these buzzwords.
Speaker 5: So I'm just going to dig in. The ones that
Speaker 5: I've written down are double down, love that one. That
Speaker 5: one comes up a lot. Versioning, versioning, versioning, which is
Speaker 5: like a legitimate term in software, but I was hearing
Speaker 5: it used in places where it didn't make much sense
Speaker 5: to do it. Then our favorite liar's.
Speaker 4: Dividend by by by far the best term that we've
Speaker 4: heard at the conference, So flexible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm using versions of that and everything. You know,
Speaker 1: it makes me think a lot about the murderer's dividend,
Speaker 1: which is when you know, I longer I have to
Speaker 1: deal with an annoying person.
Speaker 5: We got content credential, which is coming up a lot,
Speaker 5: especially around the topic of AI. We have data rich
Speaker 5: and it's sister term problem rich core values, which I
Speaker 5: heard in every single panel that we were in.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Usually the context of this was we don't need
Speaker 1: regulations around how AI can be made and put together.
Speaker 1: The core values of the companies is what we'll make
Speaker 1: sure that AI isn't used in a harmful way.
Speaker 3: Great, that's that's gonna happen.
Speaker 5: No, very trustworthy, very trustworthy groups. Got risk model. And
Speaker 5: then my next term is the favorite one. It's so good,
Speaker 5: I think I'm gonna give this one to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I don't think we talked about this. Guardian
Speaker 1: MM or something like that was then it's MM guardian
Speaker 1: MM Guardian, which is an app you put on It's
Speaker 1: not it used to be an app. Now it is
Speaker 1: a phone you buy for your child. It's a modified
Speaker 1: Samsung Galaxy something or other that there's no seven. It
Speaker 1: gives your It gives you, as the parent, complete access
Speaker 1: to your kid's phone and everything they're doing. And it
Speaker 1: automatically monitors, monitors all of their not just their conversations,
Speaker 1: but their browsing history, and sends you alerts. So like,
Speaker 1: if someone sends your kid a text that says you
Speaker 1: should kys you know, kill yourself. This is the example
Speaker 1: he showed us. You get a message that like there's
Speaker 1: this suicidal discussion or whatnot going on, we ask them,
Speaker 1: you know. Hey. Garrison particularly was like, what if this
Speaker 1: is a situation where a parent is abusive and like
Speaker 1: using this in order to keep tabs on their kids
Speaker 1: or like hates you know, is like a child is
Speaker 1: gay or trans and their parents are not accepting of that.
Speaker 1: Like does this still can parents still like spy on
Speaker 1: them over that stuff? Are there any limitations? Are there
Speaker 1: any sort of safeguards built in in case a parent
Speaker 1: is being abusive right to like monitor or sin to
Speaker 1: the authorities of a parent is using this in an
Speaker 1: abusive way. And their answer was no, We're purely about
Speaker 1: giving parents more power. And yeah, the term that they
Speaker 1: used was tech contracts with children.
Speaker 5: I can't think of anything more dismal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is one of the most dystopian assemblies of
Speaker 1: words I've ever heard.
Speaker 4: Should you should you should never say the phrase contracts
Speaker 4: with children. That's just that's just like if you find
Speaker 4: yourself ever ever hearing the phrase contracts with children spoken
Speaker 4: by anyone, run away from that person as fast as
Speaker 4: you can, maybe maybe maybe punch them in the face first,
Speaker 4: and then run away as fast as you can.
Speaker 1: So that's a good one.
Speaker 3: That's that's some shit you just keep in Florida. I
Speaker 3: guess now.
Speaker 1: It's a super Florida app.
Speaker 4: That is.
Speaker 1: That is the scent of this business.
Speaker 5: Moving on, We've got other terms called like visionary and
Speaker 5: thought leaders, which comes up a lot in these types.
Speaker 2: Of I mean, the pr shit people love saying thought leader.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 5: Eat it up. We also have Edge Computing I know.
Speaker 1: Yeah again handy, great company.
Speaker 5: Incredible company, very very excellent product. We have Digital Twin
Speaker 5: Horizon Scan.
Speaker 2: So Digital Twin's really good because it means like eight
Speaker 2: different things. It can mean literally a copy of something,
Speaker 2: or it can mean a digital version of something. It
Speaker 2: can mean like a metaverse thing. And these are all
Speaker 2: different industries using it, and no one can agree on
Speaker 2: the meaning.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's just tradition. That's just like what they do.
Speaker 5: They have horizon scan. I actually kind of liked that one.
Speaker 5: Was the first time I heard that one. When they're
Speaker 5: just like looking into the future, I think they're calling
Speaker 5: that horizon scan use case, which came up a lot
Speaker 5: because everyone was groping for use cases for their technology
Speaker 5: and didn't seem to have any that they could bring up.
Speaker 4: The next one I heard way more than I wanted
Speaker 4: to hear, which was accelerate. Yes, always always a great
Speaker 4: term to hear in tech. There was there was so
Speaker 4: much accelerate and accelerating relating to their tech development and
Speaker 4: their tech use cases. For another one of those terms
Speaker 4: that Tavia just read off.
Speaker 1: Now, this next term is a real thing and an
Speaker 1: important thing, and not a thing that anyone in the
Speaker 1: tech industry wants or cares about the right to be forgotten.
Speaker 1: This has actually been legislated. The reason they have to
Speaker 1: care about this to some extent is it's been legislated
Speaker 1: in the EU right, and it should be everywhere. I
Speaker 1: actually think this is an incredibly important concept, and it's
Speaker 1: basically the you know, we have people go viral that
Speaker 1: become a main character on whatever app for being a
Speaker 1: piece of shit sometimes or sometimes doing something stupid or
Speaker 1: sometimes doing something innocuous that for no reason at all
Speaker 1: makes a huge number.
Speaker 3: He's actually a really good example.
Speaker 2: There was a kid who posted a video of himself
Speaker 2: and it was like four point zero gpa had a job,
Speaker 2: brais money didn't get into Harvard or something. He didn't
Speaker 2: mean it in this way, but someone took it and
Speaker 2: then turned it into ay why kids are being kept
Speaker 2: off Harvard thing? And he dm them was like, you're
Speaker 2: ruining my fucking life. Yeah, this is how this, like
Speaker 2: the right to be forgotten, should be everywhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, is not.
Speaker 1: It is a hugely important thing, and you know, I
Speaker 1: actually give the EU a lot of credit for the
Speaker 1: fact that that has to some extent been legislated. All
Speaker 1: of that needs to be more common in other countries
Speaker 1: and more vigorously enforced. I don't I say that I
Speaker 1: have no idea how you do it with the internet.
Speaker 1: Working the way it does. Some of this, I actually
Speaker 1: do think is a values thing where we all need
Speaker 1: to be more okay with the fact that people, even
Speaker 1: people who can do something shitty online, deserve to not
Speaker 1: have that necessarily define the rest of their lives, especially
Speaker 1: you know, teenagers.
Speaker 2: And the next one is one that I like to
Speaker 2: associate with my posts, data poisoning. I believe every time
Speaker 2: I interact with Twitter or blue Sky, that is what
Speaker 2: I am doing. I have some data poisoning gap, or
Speaker 2: I am data poisoning as a verb, or I am
Speaker 2: data poisoning myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then we've got oh, Garrison, you want to do
Speaker 1: this one?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 4: These these are the last three that I got from
Speaker 4: an AI ethics panel. We have data silos, how data
Speaker 4: is all separated. We have data harmonization, kind of the
Speaker 4: opposite of data silos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's basically using AI to generate pictures of dan
Speaker 1: harmon Right.
Speaker 4: Yes, Then we have the last term, which I will
Speaker 4: I will describe for you the speed capacity gap. So
Speaker 4: the speed capacity.
Speaker 1: Gap, I know I can answer that for you. So
Speaker 1: sometimes when I'm doing a shitload of amphetamines that I
Speaker 1: purchased from some Turkish website via the dark web. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm doing them with a friend and they od because
Speaker 1: there's a day there's a speed capacity gap, which we
Speaker 1: need two of us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what that uh, that's what that DHS guy
Speaker 4: was talking about. For using AI to monitor dark web
Speaker 4: purchases is going to really get on that one. No
Speaker 4: speed capacity gap the gap between tech acceleration and the
Speaker 4: capacity of society to keep up and make informed decisions
Speaker 4: about that technology, which is actually kind of a useful terms.
Speaker 4: It's it's just one of those you know, it sounds
Speaker 4: like a silly tech term, but when the win it's
Speaker 4: actually explained like, oh, that's actually a really good way
Speaker 4: to think about the way AI is being pushed in
Speaker 4: all of these new ways, and are we actually as
Speaker 4: a society, whether that's like as a government or just
Speaker 4: like culturally, able to actually make inform decisions about how
Speaker 4: we want this tech to be integrated into our lives.
Speaker 4: And now the dark side of this term, the speed
Speaker 4: capacity gap. For the to to kind of solve this gap,
Speaker 4: we can either slow down a development or we can
Speaker 4: speed up our capacity. And the panelists obviously we preferred
Speaker 4: the latter, and so we should just speed up our
Speaker 4: cultural capacity.
Speaker 5: Did they propose a solution for.
Speaker 4: That, Well, kind of, but it's it's a little unclear.
Speaker 4: We can go through my recording at a later date
Speaker 4: once we do our full AI episode. But they're rationale
Speaker 4: for why we should instead of instead of slowing down
Speaker 4: tech development instead speed up our cultural capacity is because
Speaker 4: of the many benefits that tech improvements can be made
Speaker 4: via tech iterations. Right, the more iterations you get of
Speaker 4: technology that the more benefits are able to get from
Speaker 4: said technology. A versioning y version exactly, which brings us
Speaker 4: all the way back to versioning there we go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which brings us all the way back to turkisham fetamines.
Speaker 1: Because I've been for the last twenty years trying different
Speaker 1: versions of turkisham fetamines and the blue pills. Man. You know,
Speaker 1: normally you don't hallucinate on speed, but when you take enough,
Speaker 1: it turns out you can. And so I think what
Speaker 1: I'd like to leave everyone with is the knowledge that
Speaker 1: Turkish shamphetamines are a thing you can purchase on the
Speaker 1: dark web and should there's no health consequences to it
Speaker 1: at all.
Speaker 2: I'm not part of this off line does not support
Speaker 2: illegal drug purchases.
Speaker 3: Respectful podcast.
Speaker 1: They're not illegal if they're so new that the DEA
Speaker 1: hasn't banned them yet, that's innovation exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: That's versioning, and that is the speed capacity gap, folks, that.
Speaker 4: The DA can't keep up with the tech improvements.
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