1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: So one thing that has always fascinated us as a group, 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: I think is the idea of secret armies. This was 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: a big belief during the Cold War, Uh, the concept 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: of something like a fifth column, so called. We were 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: digging in for years to find evidence of actual secret armies, 6 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: and uh. In this classic episode spoiler alert, we find one, 7 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: and it's incredibly disturbing. It really is. I I remember 8 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: feeling uneasy and surprised after recording this initially. It's one 9 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: of these things that once you learn it, it really 10 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,639 Speaker 1: does change the way you look at the world just 11 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: a little bit, just enough of a bending of the 12 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: lens that you've got in front of your eyes. Indeed, 13 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: so let's dive right in from UFOs two Ghosts and 14 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: government cover ups. History is riddled with unexplained events. You 15 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't 16 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: want me to now. Hello, welcome back to the show. 17 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: My name is Matt and I am Ben. We're here 18 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: with our super producer Null. Put your foot down, Brown, 19 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: that's right, he's just the one glass pain away, or 20 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: maybe it's two. I think it's double pained. So dude, yes, sir, 21 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: we're in this new office. It's pretty Swank's pretty sweet. 22 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: I'm loving it. I don't know about you. I think 23 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: you're enjoying yourself here, right. You know, it's a it's 24 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: a nice place. You know. One of the things that 25 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: is here is a fairly open break room area that 26 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: is between where you guys sit and where when I 27 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: say you guys, I mean writers, editors, podcasters, you guys 28 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: are all over there and then all of the video 29 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: teams back here in this kind of cordoned off dark 30 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: room area. Why don't you just say you people? Right, 31 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: it's totally people are over there, and in between us 32 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: is this no man's land with a giant question mark 33 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: table and all of the coffee and and sometimes I 34 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: don't know if this happens to you, but when I'm 35 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: over in that area, I will over here something that 36 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: maybe I wasn't supposed to hear um because somebody will 37 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: be having a conversation, but the office is so open 38 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: that it's you know, you just hear things. And it 39 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: made me think about this week's topic, just because sometimes 40 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: there's information that people don't want you to hear. But 41 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: we don't live in a vacuum. Well, met, you're here, 42 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 1: knowl's here I'm here, listeners, You're the most important part 43 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: of the show. You're here, and I guess on behalf 44 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: of the listeners, I'd have to ask, uh, what where 45 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 1: are you going with this? What are you talking about? So, Ben, 46 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about is a trial in an Italian court. 47 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: In there's this guy who's considered a right wing terrorist 48 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: named Vincenzo vin Siagara, working for a right wing terrorist 49 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: group whose name translates to a New Order. Yes, precisely, well, 50 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: this group. He stated that his group participated in what 51 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: they would say is a false flag terrorist attack, uh, 52 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: several of them, which were meant to discredit communists in 53 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: the region. Now, he also said, Ben that this these 54 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: acts that they were taking part in, and his group 55 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: was a part of something called Operation Gladiol and that 56 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, is the subject of our episode today, 57 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: Operation Claudio. In this moment, in in this Italian court, 58 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: when this when this guy who is a terrorist, Vincenzo, 59 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: when he says that he uh, when he says that 60 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: his group was there to discredit the communists. That's because 61 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: this was originally blamed by the the mass media of 62 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: the time and the government of the time. On a 63 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: group called um the Red Brigades, which were supposed to 64 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: be a you know, there were a communist affiliated group 65 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: of activists. But he said, not only did they do 66 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: a false attack to discredit this communist group which hadn't 67 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: bombed anything, but they had bombed other things as well, 68 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: and they did this on the orders of their leaders 69 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: and Operation Claudio. And here's the weird thing there. Uh, 70 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: their leaders, he alleges, are not you know, ideological crazy 71 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: skinheads or super fascists. Uh, they are uh, someone higher, 72 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: much much more official. This makes a Venetian judge named 73 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: Felice Cassan uh, very curious. He sees anomalies in the 74 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: reporting of this case, which was I believe originally was 75 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: the pet Toronto bombing. So this judge police, he goes 76 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: to the archives of the Italian military secret Service, where 77 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: he discovers documents confirming the existence of Operation Gladiol, forcing 78 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: the Prime Minister at the time, Giulio Andreati, to confirm 79 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: the existence of this international program. This is the first 80 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: time a government official has confirmed it. A lot of 81 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: people think Operations Gladiol went public in but that's not true. 82 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: It's eighty four. As you said, but then we keep 83 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,679 Speaker 1: saying the name Operation Gladioli, and I'm sure our listeners 84 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: are just going, what the hell is that. Well, here's 85 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: the basic idea of what it is. It's a state 86 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: sponsored stay behind program for armies like these standing stay 87 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: behind armies for places in mostly Western Europe after World 88 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: War Two, in order to basically stamp out in a 89 00:05:55,720 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: lot of these places too. I guess, act, act and 90 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: do things that armies and official you know, military could 91 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 1: not do. And a lot of times they were really 92 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: bad things, like we said, carrying out terrorist attacks. Um, 93 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: and these were these groups were sponsored through gladiol gladiol 94 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: by intelligence agencies and even NATO. Right. Uh. One important 95 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,799 Speaker 1: distinction for us to make here is that when these 96 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: stay behind armies were started, we'll walk through the timeline here. 97 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 1: When they stayed behind armies were created, their purpose was 98 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 1: not to do offensive actions, you know, like to perform operations. 99 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: Their their purpose what it was, you know, if they 100 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: were a box of cereal, what what said on the box, 101 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: What it said on the box exactly was that they 102 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: would be uh, they would be waiting in secret in 103 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: the event of an invasion from the from the Communist side. 104 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: Basically a an emergency situation thing, right specifically, though not 105 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: non emergency situation like an earthquake or something like that, 106 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: but an emergency situation uh, defined specifically by communist powers 107 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: from the USS are attempting to invade, you know, like 108 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: other West Germany, other countries that were on the border. 109 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: So these guys originally weren't supposed to do anything but 110 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: wait because at the time Western Europe and the United 111 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: States were convinced that World War three was going to 112 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: happen very soon and it would be between essentially between 113 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: capitalism and communism. So they all got together in secret 114 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: and built these invisible armies for this coming secret war 115 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: in countries just throughout the area, part of countries that 116 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: were part of NATO, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, and 117 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: countries that were not. We have a list of them too, right, 118 00:07:53,360 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: Let's just go through, Oh, Sweden, Italy, Spain, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, France, Belgium, Denmark, Greece, Luxembourg, Norway, Portugal, Turkey, Cyprus, 119 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: and possibly even more I would say, probably, we don't know. Yeah, 120 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: So these groups that were hired, these were often like 121 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: far right activists, so imagine uh, separatist militias, imagine, And 122 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: this was the case in Germany former s S soldiers. Yeah, 123 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: they were supported by the local governments. There were no 124 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: big arrest or prosecutions. When things did start getting pear 125 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: shaped for a while, a lot of times they were dropped, right. 126 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: The charges against these groups were just dropped mysteriously too. Yeah, 127 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: and they depended on secret caches of weapons that were 128 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: distributed all over Europe. Like think of finding an abandoned 129 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: mine with just create after creative C four is that 130 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:58,599 Speaker 1: kind of crazy? It reminds me of some of the 131 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: spy video games I've played where there's like a specifically 132 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: hit Man, where there's a weapon cash somewhere on the 133 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: level they just had to seek out and find it. 134 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: I played one hit Man. Is the guy who's bald, right, 135 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 1: he's got I think. I played one version of hit Man, 136 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: and I quickly just got waxed because you're supposed to 137 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: be sneaky and I didn't. I didn't get that at first. No, 138 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: I ran through and yeah, I was terrible at it. 139 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: I'm glad one of us is good at it. You're 140 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: the expert on hit Man from now on. But here's 141 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: the million dollar question, Right, Matt, did gladiol Armies ever 142 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: cross the line from being a ready defense force to 143 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: active domestic terrorism, which is not what they were supposed 144 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: to be doing. Well, you know, from the first thing 145 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: we stated on this podcast, it seems like maybe they have. 146 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: But let's learn more. Here's where it gets crazy. So 147 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: to begin this story, we're going to have to start 148 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: way back in time in nineteen forty when Prime Minister 149 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: Winston Churchill creates the Secret Stay Behind Army uh, the 150 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 1: Special Operations Executive to assist resistance movements and carry out 151 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: subversive operations in enemy held territory. Now, this you'll notice 152 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: is a little bit different because this group he starts 153 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 1: already is in enemy territory. It's not like a UM 154 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: there behind the lines. Right, Yeah, that's a great way 155 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: to say it, there behind the lines. So they are 156 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: actively doing stuff. But at the end of World War Two, 157 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: when their new armies created there based off the experiences 158 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: and strategies of this s O group and their former officers. Right, 159 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: So if we if we fast forward, we see that 160 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: there's already trouble brewing by the end of the war. Yeah. 161 00:10:55,840 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: Then in nine in Finland, the communist Interior Minister. He 162 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: exposes a secret stay behind which is currently at that 163 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 1: time being closed down, which is interesting because that's one 164 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: of the first times you hear, oh wait, this guy 165 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: is officially closing this secret thing that nobody knew about, 166 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: right yeah, And some people say, just like a communist. 167 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: And just a few years later, in seven, this is 168 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: a big date for every US resident and probably for 169 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: most people in the world. Then President Harry Truman creates 170 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: the National Security Council and the Central Intelligence Agency. They 171 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: also have a special branch of the CIA at this 172 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: time it's called the Office of Policy Coordination, and that 173 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: is what sets up these armies that stay behind in 174 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: Western Europe, these invisible militias. And I just got a 175 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 1: point out, Matt, regardless of how you feel about this policy, 176 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: it's so strange that so many covert and technically I 177 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: guess illegal things that government to fall under such vague names. 178 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, that sounds nice, Like that's okay, Office of 179 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: Policy Coordination. That's really good. They're getting in between the 180 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: different you know, groups, and they're just like, hey, this 181 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: is the policy guys, right yeah, what could go wrong? 182 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: Then in nineteen forty seven, in France, the Interior Minister 183 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: reveals the existence of another secret stay behind army code 184 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: named Plan Blue b l e U. Yes, yeah, so 185 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: there's one. Then in in France, there's something in Finland. 186 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: In Austria, same year, forty seven, another stay behind armies exposed, 187 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: but this has been set up by right wing extremist 188 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 1: and they were named Susse and Rosser and a chancellor 189 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: at the time named Corner Pardons the accused under say 190 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: it with me, Matt, mysterious circumstances. Oh, here you go. 191 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: In nineteen forty nine, a really important year, another one. 192 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: The North Atlantic Treaty Organization is founded and the European 193 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: headquarters is officially established in France. That's NATO. Yeah, NATO, 194 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: that's the one that you hear of Vladimir Putin and 195 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: Barack Obama name dropping all the time. Right. So in 196 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty one, just a few years later, a CIA 197 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: agent who may be familiar to some of you out 198 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: there named William Kolby is in Sweden training these stay 199 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: behind armies. Uh in both that country, Sweden, and train 200 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: a new one for Finland, and in the NATO members 201 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: Norway and Denmark. It's crazy it's proof that the CIA 202 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: was involved with this. Yeah, in nineteen fifty one. Then 203 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: next year, in nineteen fifty two, in Germany, a former 204 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: s S officer, Hans Auto, which you may have heard before, 205 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,719 Speaker 1: that name, he reveals to the criminal police in Frankfort 206 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: the existence of another, this time fascist Germans stay behind army. 207 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: And uh, the arrested right wing extremists guess what, They're 208 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: found not guilty under mysterious circumstances. Right, so you just 209 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: one more time, or maybe a couple more times. In Sweden, 210 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: the police arrest a right wing guy named Otto Hallberg 211 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: in ninety three, and that is how they discovered the 212 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: stay behind army. That is, in Sweden, Hallberg walks away 213 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: free because the charges against him are dropped under mysterious circumstances. Man, 214 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: these circumstances, they sure work in mysterious ways. Right, yeah, 215 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: you gotta uh so, Okay, Now we get to the 216 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: point where it starts to seem as though these stay 217 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: behind armies might be doing more than protecting operatives, right, 218 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: but they might actually be affecting the government in which 219 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: they reside. In nineteen sixty in Turkey, the military, supported 220 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: by secret armies, they stage a coupata and they kill 221 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: Prime Minister A Don Mendaris. Yeah. And so in sixty 222 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:17,119 Speaker 1: four in Italy, uh, the stay behind Army that Gladiol 223 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: instituted is involved in a coup with with the Italian 224 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: military general Giovanni de Lorenzo in Operation Solo, makes the 225 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: socialist ministers of Italy leave the government and then they 226 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: called it a silent coup. M just, I guess a 227 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: reorganization of power. Yeah, yeah, that's what it was. In 228 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: the Office of Reorganizations of the right. Yeah. So in 229 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine in Italy the Piazza Fontana massacre, which 230 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: you may have heard of in it's in Milano. It 231 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: kills sixteen injurs and maims eighty. It's blamed on the left. Then, 232 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: thirty years later, during a try all of right wing 233 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: wing extremists, General g Gia Delio Maletti, he's the former 234 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: head of the Italian counter intelligence anyway, he claims that 235 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: the massacre had been carried out by the Italian stay 236 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: behind Army and right wing terrorists on the orders of 237 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: the U. S Secret Service and Central Intelligence Agency, and 238 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: they did it in order to discredit the Italian communists. 239 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: In Turkey and seventy one there's another coup, the military 240 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: takes power. Uh. These are where we see allegations that 241 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: the Stay Behind Army from Gladiol is waging domestic terror 242 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: and killing civilians. Next year, nineteen seventy two, in Italy, 243 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: a bomb explodes in a car near the village of Petiano, 244 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: killing three police officers. The terror of this act is 245 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: first blamed on the left. Then it's a later trace 246 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: back to the right wing terrorist Vincenzo vincey Guira. Isn't 247 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: that interesting who we mentioned at the beginning of the podcast. Yeah, 248 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: and the Italian stay behind code named Gladio, and this 249 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: takes us. Let's let's fast forward because when he's finally 250 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: in trial as we mentioned, and he uh, vince Ghetta 251 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 1: reveals the involvement of NATO Stay Behind Army and these 252 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: acts of terrorism to discredit communists. He gets sentenced to life. 253 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: Some would say that's big. Well, clearly he did it. 254 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: People think he did it, But other people were saying 255 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: that he was not protected by the organization because he 256 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: started talking about it. So the he's a young magistrate 257 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: judge at the time, Felice, as we mentioned earlier, Felice 258 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: Cassan forces the Prime Minister to acknowledge the existence of gladiol, 259 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: at least in Italy. But we start seeing more mysterious 260 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: stuff because once this watershed, you know, it's like a damn, 261 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: once there's a fracture, a leak, and in a damn 262 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: that the entire structure begins to compromise. People start getting 263 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: nervous about their own involvement, and you know, like, where 264 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: where are the legal lines here? It's it's tough to 265 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 1: know exactly where they are. So then in nineteen nine 266 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: and Switzerland, former commander of the Swiss Secret Stay Behind 267 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: Army p. Two six, in a confidential letter to the 268 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: Defense Department declared that he's willing to reveal quote the 269 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: whole truth unquote. Thereafter he's found at his house stabbed 270 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: with his own military bannett. So let's go forward to 271 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: later in the same year in Belgium, UH NATO denies No. 272 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: NATO is based in Belgium, and Belgium NATO denies these 273 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 1: allegations of the Italian Prime minister and this idea of 274 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: secret war in Western Europe. UH the next day though, 275 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: right after that, so it's like November five, they say that. 276 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: November six, they come back and they say, uh, that 277 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: Nile have been false. We will not answer any further questions. 278 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, hey, look we lied to you, but we 279 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: can't talk about it. Okay, well, let's not say we lied. 280 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: That's just saying we were wrong. Yeah, we were wrong. 281 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: That's not accurate. We didn't. Maybe we didn't have the 282 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: information at the time. Now we do, but we still 283 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: should talk about And then lastly for this timeline or 284 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: we've got a couple more here. But in the US, 285 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: the National Security Archive at the George Washington University in Washington, 286 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: they file an fo I A a Freedom of Information 287 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: Act request concerning the secret Stay Behind Armies with the 288 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: CIA in the interests So they're going to the CIA 289 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: trying to request these documents, and they're trying to get 290 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: them with the interest of public information and scientific research. 291 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 1: That's for the reason they're trying to get them. Now, 292 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: the CIA rejects the request with their standard reply that 293 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: we have we've heard before in movies and in television. 294 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: Ben quote, the CIA can neither confirm nor deny the 295 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: existence or non existence of records responsive to your request. Gosh, 296 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: that is so polite and just shadowy. There was a 297 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 1: great article about the man who originally made that statement. 298 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: I can't remember if it pertained two JFK or something 299 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 1: like that, but we'll we'll find that out and we'll 300 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: put it up on our social media if we haven't already. 301 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: So go visit us at Facebook and Twitter where we 302 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: are conspiracy stuff. It really is perfect language for not 303 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: for not really saying anything, but very cordially. Yeah, it 304 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: reminds me of Joseph Heller and Catch twenty two. For 305 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 1: anyone who's a fan of that book. The there seems 306 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: to be an inherent absurdity. But you gotta check out 307 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 1: that article we found because that will explain in depth, uh, 308 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 1: just how carefully worded that kind of stuff had to be. 309 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,360 Speaker 1: So we've got that timeline and we see some trends 310 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: in some of these cases. We see an initial act 311 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: of terrorism, a furious, sudden accusation of left wing groups, 312 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: and then later information seems to often reveal a connection 313 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: between the state and these groups. So at at this point, Matt, 314 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: having looked over this timeline and thank you for walking 315 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: through that with us listeners, at this point, we're seeing 316 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 1: something that we see often when we talk about shadowy 317 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: organizations or government operations, and that is that there there's 318 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 1: some stuff that has proven and is is crazy and 319 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 1: is illegal and has proven after the fact. Uh, And 320 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,959 Speaker 1: then there's a much larger category of stuff that's unproven 321 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: but alleged. We're going to save that stuff for the end, 322 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: of course, but we can start at least with the 323 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: things that have already been proven. Well, one thing that 324 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: we do know is that these groups uh that are 325 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: supported by Operation Gladioli, they did some of them, at 326 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: least did commit some sort of acts of terror or 327 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: terrorism we would call terrorism now in century. Lot of bombings, yes, 328 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: bombings in particular. They say that this was at least 329 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: these groups say it was on the order of NATO 330 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: and or m I six and or the CIA. But 331 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: those organized organizations they just straight out deny any of 332 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: their involvement and they prefer to paint the terror as 333 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: acts of unimal, unilateral decisions made by these unrelated groups. 334 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: And you know, hey, look guys, we had nothing to 335 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 1: do with this, right and uh, in Italy we know 336 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 1: that at least in Italy and probably in other places, 337 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: these Gladioli groups were associated with criminal elements or corruption 338 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: or what is often called the deep state. So specifically, 339 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: these guys are working with one of your faith writt 340 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: organizations conspiracy wise, which is a Masonic lodge or arguably 341 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: a pseudo Masonic lodge named Propaganda. Do Yeah, that group 342 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: is this fascinating. I think we've briefly covered them a 343 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: couple of times in video, but yeah, it is worth 344 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: your time to do a little further research on P 345 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: two Propaganda do right. Yeah, they have a they often 346 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: referred to as a state within a state or shadow government. Uh. 347 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: This this is a strange thing to read about, especially 348 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: if you are interested in corruption cases. They had journalists, 349 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: members parliament, the equivalent of the big businessman, the military leaders. 350 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: So think of it if you're listening to this in 351 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: the United States, think of this as a club where 352 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: um Glenn Greenwald, Cole and Powell, every president, Warren Buffett, 353 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: Bill Gates, Oprah, everybody who has a lot of influence 354 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: goes to hang out here, kind of does freemason stuff, 355 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 1: which I guess would mean that they wouldn't have Oprah 356 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: in that organization, but they, you know, they do freemason stuff. 357 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: And then they say here's how we're secretly going to 358 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: run the country. And I don't that. I just have 359 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,959 Speaker 1: to believe that he would not be a part of that. 360 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: I well, I I don't. I don't think that they're 361 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: they're definitely not members of p P two, that which 362 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: was later supposedly disbanded. But now so we have that 363 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 1: stuff proven acts of terrorism right, possibly some some other 364 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: stuff and and cooperation with crime, cooperation with international intelligence networks. 365 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: But we have a lot more unproven stuff and one 366 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: of them, I guess the woman can just jump into. 367 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: Is is pretty frightening if it's true. Yes, it's this 368 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: thing called the strategy of tension, which is pretty interesting. 369 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: And the the idea here is that the constant, constant 370 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: terrorist attacks create this fear amongst the populace. It encourages 371 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: this atmosphere in which there's hostility in the public against 372 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: these uh left wing groups. So basically, basically what it 373 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: will do is or what they're hoping it will do, 374 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: is create that tension so that the public in general 375 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: will start clamoring for more control, more security from either 376 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: the government or right wing groups or both, and you know, 377 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: kind of give them even more power over the state 378 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: in general. And the economy. Yeah, as the operative Vincenzo 379 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: vinci Getta said during that famous trial in you had 380 00:25:55,480 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown, 381 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: people far removed from any political game. The reason was 382 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: quite simple. They were supposed to force these people to 383 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: turn to the state to ask for greater security. Yesh, right, 384 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 1: And then there's there's more. That's that's one accusation, which 385 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: is which is frightening if it's true. Um. But then 386 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 1: there's also these accusations or allegations of assassinations. That's right. 387 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy eight, there's an investigative journalist named Mino Pecarelli, 388 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,959 Speaker 1: and he thought that Prime Minister Aldo Moros kidnapping an 389 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: assassination by the Red Brigades had actually been masterminded by 390 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: somebody else, by this what he called a lucid superpower, 391 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: and was since he was inspired by the logic of 392 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: Yalta um or or he thought it was. He thought 393 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: the attack an assassination was inspired by the logic of Yalta. 394 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: And uh, there was something that Aldo Moro was doing 395 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: during that time, right before his kidnapping an assassination. Yeah, yeah, 396 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: he was. He was looking into this thing and negotiating 397 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: this thing called the Historic Compromise, which would have allowed 398 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 1: the Communist Party for the first time since the expulsion 399 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: in nineteen to re enter the government. And that would 400 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 1: have been a big change that a lot of people 401 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: would not have liked to have seen. So let me 402 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: get this straight. And I'm not saying it's true. I'm 403 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: not saying it's been proven, but let me get the 404 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: official story straight. So the guy who was making moves 405 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: to get the Communist Party back into you know, a 406 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: legitimate party status was kidnapped and assassinated by communist activists. 407 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: That's the story. Okay, Well, you know, at a different 408 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: time maybe. Uh. Also, NATO, you know, we talked about 409 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: these the possibility of these NATO sanctioned coups when we're 410 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 1: walking through the timeline. But let's get to perhaps the 411 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: most important question that But by the way, that's a 412 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: huge things that NATO sanctioned coups. Oh yeah, yeah, Well, 413 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: cous are a part of geopolitical policymaking office, and we 414 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: had talked about the possibility that NATO have been sponsoring 415 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: coups as well when we were walking through the timeline, right, Yes, 416 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 1: and you know, we I guess we kind of glazed 417 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 1: over him as we're going through the timeline. But the 418 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 1: idea of a kudata in any country is a huge deal. 419 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: It sponsored by anybody, it doesn't matter, that probably shouldn't happen. Um. 420 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: And you know, even even if there is a brutal 421 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: dictator or something like that, creating a coup is a 422 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: big deal, no matter which side you lay on, right 423 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: if you think it's a good thing or a bad 424 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: thing for a country as a whole. Oh, I see 425 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: what you're saying. Having a third party come through and 426 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: influence a turnover of government, that's a big deal. Well yeah, 427 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: and that's that. I'm glad you it that way, Matt, 428 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: because that's a big point. A lot of people who 429 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: um first hear of, you know, the founding of a 430 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: nation or the change in the government, UH, can get 431 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: misled when when you read in a in a history 432 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: book or something that the people decided to make a change, 433 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: Because as you look, often not all the time, of course, 434 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: but often, uh, these people are these internal groups that 435 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: are leading the charge are being bankrolled or motivated by 436 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: some third party, often another country so or somehow affiliated 437 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: with it, sometimes another sometimes just a large company. But uh, 438 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: but yeah, so do be cautious when you when you 439 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: hear that sort of stuff. Are we saying that there 440 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: is hard proof that everyone admits that NATO, you know, 441 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: orchestrated cups. We can't, We can't. The U. S. State 442 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: Department certainly does not agree with that, or with most 443 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: of the ideas about most of the ideas about the 444 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: Operation Gladio incidents. However, there's one really big one that 445 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: I'm sure they would miss entirely as a conspiracy theory 446 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: and as the last, the last of the unproven allegations 447 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: that we have to mention today, but chilling if they 448 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: are true. And it comes to us from a lady 449 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: named Sybil Edmonds, a former FBI translator turned whistleblower. Yes, 450 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: she alleged is that Gladiol continues today and that it's 451 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: called a pro a very similar named program Claudio b 452 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: Okay in a burst of creativity, right, So what what 453 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: this is, according to the account of Sybil Edmonds, is 454 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: a cooperation or a cooperative enterprise between US intelligence agencies, 455 00:30:55,000 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: the Pentagon, and al Qaeda or other uh Mujadem forces 456 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: to the point where they said that I'm in al 457 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: Zahawei met with the members of U S Intelligence at 458 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: an embassy in Azerbaijan starting in seven and continuing all 459 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: the way to two thousand and one. Now that is oh, 460 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: that is a tough piece of information. That isn't solid information. 461 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: This is something that is alleged. Sure, however, that is 462 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: a tough piece of information to swallow for anybody who 463 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: believes some of the theories, uh specifically behind the tax 464 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: of September eleven. Yeah, and that isn't to say that 465 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: you know, we just I guess we just have to 466 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: push pretty hard that those I can't even I can't 467 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: emphasize enough that that this is alleged. However, it is 468 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: alleged by somebody who was working from the FBI, who 469 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: spoke a lot of different languages and yeah, and was 470 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: paying attention to things so interesting, one of which is 471 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: as just to clear uh so this this idea that 472 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,479 Speaker 1: she's talking about in gladiol B, she says, what's happening 473 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: is that uh NATO wasn't just meeting with these people. 474 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: They were taking some of these groups to Central Asia 475 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: and to the Balkans to help with destabilization efforts. Because 476 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: you know, one of the questions is geopolitically is a 477 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: stable Central Asia and the best interest of outside powers. 478 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: So she said that people were flown to Turkey on 479 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: US orders to train and participate in these destabilization operations 480 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: that were going to be coordinated false flag efforts. Uh, 481 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: that they were gonna steal nuclear weapons secrets. Um, and 482 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: it's just a dirty game. So she she even reported 483 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: that some of the hijackers that were, you know, a 484 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: part of nine eleven were being trained in these facilities. Ah, yes, yeah, 485 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: at least some of them. And there's there's an interesting 486 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: thing that a curse here because a paper of note 487 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: in the United Kingdom, the Sunday Times speaks to some 488 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,479 Speaker 1: anonymous m I six and Pentagon forces and they say 489 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: that the operation of gladiol B is real. It's it's 490 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: not just real, it's not past tense, it's currently happening. 491 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: And apparently there was pressure from outside and not all 492 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: of this report was ever published. Well yeah, and she 493 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: ended up going to court right because she there oh 494 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: man I was going through some of the official FBI 495 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: response to their investigations of Sybil Evans and just the 496 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: reports that the FBI put out even internally It is interesting, man. Yeah, 497 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: and it's so vague because they can't mention a lot 498 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: of the stuff, right, especially considering and this is something 499 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: you can see in our video on Whistleblowers that aren't 500 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: Edward Snowden, which came out this past week. As we 501 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 1: record this, what's interesting is the concept of retroactive classification, Yeah, 502 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: which would be super handy in a relationship. Right when 503 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: you break up retroactively everything I told you is classified. Like, oh, well, 504 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: how are you going to enforce that? I don't know, man, 505 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: I guess I better called NATO, But yeah, that's I 506 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: guess that's what you would have to do. Just a 507 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: quick note everybody, uh noll if we could have some 508 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 1: advice music that is not and should not be confused 509 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 1: with relationship advices. That than that no agency, myself trained 510 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: life coaches or relationship experts. He's right now getting back 511 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: to Operation gladiol B. Um, I guess we can. Can 512 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: we go over a couple of these little quotes here 513 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: because this is really interesting to me. According to Edmonds, 514 00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: eleven September eleventh attacks, they were a gladiol B operation, 515 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: and she states that the objective of gladiol B is quote, 516 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: projecting US power in the former Soviet sphere of influence 517 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: to access previously untapped strategic energy and mineral reserves for 518 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 1: the US and European communities, pushing back Russian and Chinese power, 519 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,760 Speaker 1: and expanding the scope of lucrative criminal activities, particularly illegal 520 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,800 Speaker 1: arms and drugs trafficking. That's a that's a great way 521 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 1: to make some side money, you know. So currently Sybil 522 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: Edmonds is not allowed to talk about this stuff. She's 523 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: under a state secrets privilege or gag orders. The thing 524 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: that I focused on specifically was looking at her allegations 525 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: about this activity in Eurasia, because one thing that you 526 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 1: and I have found over the course of doing different 527 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,399 Speaker 1: episodes on the show are on this region is that 528 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: since the days of Empire, way like, way way before 529 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: even the modern era, the the great game of who 530 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: owns Eurasia as has continued almost unabated, you know, like 531 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:22,280 Speaker 1: the Mongol empires, uh China's venturing out into that area. 532 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: The thing that was called the great game between various 533 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 1: Western powers in in the time. You know, Riddard Kipling 534 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,919 Speaker 1: not the best person, but he has a great book 535 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 1: about it called Kim It's about voice by but but 536 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: it's pretty interesting. I enjoyed it, and uh, it's strange 537 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: that this continues today. You can also read a book 538 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,879 Speaker 1: called The Grand Chessboard by a guy named beg new Braznetsky, 539 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:53,360 Speaker 1: which I cannot believe I pronounced correctly. Fascinating, dude. Yeah. Yeah. 540 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: And what this means is that these destabilization efforts could 541 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 1: be plausible, you know. Uh, it's and there has to 542 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: be something there because why was stuff retroactively classified? Right? 543 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: Apparently a lot of the stuff that Edmonds originally brought 544 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:16,240 Speaker 1: up about this alleged claudio b was public record technically 545 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,879 Speaker 1: because it was in the congressional record. The biggest thing 546 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 1: for me, Ben, after researching this is, how is if 547 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: that is true, that stuff, that information is true, how 548 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 1: is she still alive? Man? And and I don't mean 549 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: to be to blunder scary, you know, scary about it. 550 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 1: It's just seems that that information, if true, is so explosive. Yeah, 551 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 1: it's I can't even fathom if that stuff was just known, right, Yeah, 552 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 1: that's the question. But then another question would be, well, 553 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 1: would would the death of someone who revealed this information 554 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: be just more confirmation? You know what I mean? I 555 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,840 Speaker 1: mean that it's just scary because people have been dying 556 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 1: mysteriously for a long time. Now we're connected to things 557 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 1: like this, sure, and it's it's really creepy, man. And 558 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,320 Speaker 1: I don't understand like she she's still writing a lot, 559 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 1: and well, I was reading some of her stuff today, right, Yeah, 560 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: it's strange because this story which Daniel Ellsberg, who the 561 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 1: guy leaked the Pentagon papers, he said it was this 562 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:32,280 Speaker 1: was more explosive than the Pentagon papers. But it's something 563 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: that a lot of people are not aware of. And 564 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 1: then also it's something that a lot of people would say, well, 565 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 1: war is an ugly business. And this is part of 566 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,719 Speaker 1: why it's such an ugly thing that these that ultimately 567 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:50,760 Speaker 1: these sorts of actions are at the very least less 568 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 1: bad than what would happen if they weren't. They didn't 569 00:38:54,920 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 1: argue it's necessary, man. So this is where we have 570 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 1: to conclude, because we don't have all the information we'd 571 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 1: love to hear from. You. Do you think that Operation 572 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 1: Gladiol B is real the or that Operation gladiol continues today? 573 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 1: This stuff um that was once treated as a conspiracy 574 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:22,720 Speaker 1: theory a few decades ago is now largely confirmed not 575 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 1: not all of it, not all of the connections or 576 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 1: are written out there, um. And there are people drawing 577 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 1: some dotted lines, which might be a leap of logic, 578 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,360 Speaker 1: but in large part, yeah, it's it's moved to a 579 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: conspiracy fact. So what what do you think? Do you 580 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:43,840 Speaker 1: think that these kind of destabilization efforts continue today? The 581 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 1: Great Game, by the way, um, which we talked about, 582 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 1: I think in our look at Soviet Russia and the UK, 583 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: the Great Game was about spheres of influence, trade, economy, 584 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:59,400 Speaker 1: and resources. And I've been pretty clear with my opinion 585 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 1: about the stuff as well, Like I don't I don't 586 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: buy the idea of wars for ideology often or at 587 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 1: least wars of invasion or aggression for ideology. I think 588 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,720 Speaker 1: it's a nice window dressing to put on a resource grab. 589 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,959 Speaker 1: I think they I think those have happened in the past. 590 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,759 Speaker 1: But you have to have a very special person. When 591 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 1: I say special, I mean charismatic leader. Oh well, a 592 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 1: leader that believes in himself, in his I'm gonna say 593 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 1: b s enough that makes it ideological kind of Merlin 594 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:35,239 Speaker 1: and King Arthur's Court, right or Connecticut Yankee. Yeah, not 595 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,319 Speaker 1: just a regular Merlin. And also if you want to 596 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: write to us and let us know some stuff that 597 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 1: we should cover in the future, our best ideas come 598 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,360 Speaker 1: from you. Will give you our email at the very 599 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,839 Speaker 1: end of the show. But first it's time to do 600 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 1: something that we haven't done in a while. We're gonna 601 00:40:51,640 --> 00:41:00,239 Speaker 1: read a little piece of listener mail. Ben. I'm going 602 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 1: to read a quick or I guess I'm going to 603 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:07,640 Speaker 1: read parts of this message we got from Kelsey. Kelsey says, hey, guys, 604 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,720 Speaker 1: I was just thinking about the final question you posed 605 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 1: at the end of Who Runs the Internet? Dealing with 606 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,920 Speaker 1: the future of the Internet. I watched a YouTube video 607 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 1: from Verge or The The Verge where Bill Gates talks 608 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 1: about how the internet and technology is going to help 609 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,680 Speaker 1: with education and lower income countries, and Kelsey says, when 610 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 1: you combine this with your YouTube videos about historical revisionism 611 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,719 Speaker 1: and what if the Middle Ages never happened, things that 612 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,279 Speaker 1: start start to get interesting. Kelsey says, here's where it 613 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,719 Speaker 1: gets crazy. What what if the US government is just 614 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 1: helping the third world quote to get free internet and 615 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,840 Speaker 1: education so they could be the ones who are teaching 616 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:48,720 Speaker 1: them the way they want to. That is really interesting. Um, 617 00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: basically saying that they would sway that part of the 618 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: world to be more aligned with Western ideology. At least 619 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,360 Speaker 1: that's what I would do if I were them in 620 00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,439 Speaker 1: this situation. Kelsey says, anyways, just an idea of the show. 621 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 1: Keep up the good work. Well, thanks, Kelsey, that's a 622 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,880 Speaker 1: that's a massive compliment. But also that that's a great question. 623 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,920 Speaker 1: You and I met We did a piece on something 624 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,360 Speaker 1: similar when we talked about textbooks, which are which are 625 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 1: a huge deal and completely different depending upon where you 626 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,880 Speaker 1: go in the world, you know, And it's it's strange 627 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,239 Speaker 1: because I'm sure that, of course an Arab textbook will 628 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:31,000 Speaker 1: differ widely from an Israeli textbook, just as a Japanese 629 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 1: or Chinese textbook will also differ, especially about World War 630 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:39,280 Speaker 1: two and things like Manchuria. Right, depends on the consensus 631 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:44,200 Speaker 1: of you know, which side you're on. And yeah, and 632 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 1: I think I think it's completely plausible, Kelsey, that some 633 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:54,399 Speaker 1: some entity would say, well, let me let me inculcate 634 00:42:54,600 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 1: a certain type of belief structure by not really showing 635 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:05,239 Speaker 1: you any other possibilities, right, Yeah, Yeah, it's a it's 636 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,920 Speaker 1: a good point. I think it's something that would be 637 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 1: possible to prove if we could find it. But you 638 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:16,120 Speaker 1: know this, this is a a battle that takes place 639 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 1: within countries, especially in a country like the United States, 640 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 1: where every state is on some level autonomous right with 641 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:30,560 Speaker 1: certain things. And we've seen, at least you and I 642 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,640 Speaker 1: have met, uh, the battles over what should and shouldn't 643 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:39,920 Speaker 1: go into a textbook, sex education, evolution, how historical events 644 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,359 Speaker 1: are portrayed, you know, yeah, history of the United States, 645 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 1: just overall history during slavery, right, yeah, Or how nobody 646 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,560 Speaker 1: teaches or at least nobody in the South, uh teaches 647 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 1: Martin Luther King's other speeches, the ones about class equality, right, 648 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,360 Speaker 1: because of that that's a little bit too socialist, I think, Um, 649 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,600 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how it is in other states, 650 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,440 Speaker 1: but that that's a that is fantastic food for thought, 651 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,040 Speaker 1: and we've got to start digging on that exactly. 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