WEBVTT - Democrats Theory of Powerlessness

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with

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<v Speaker 1>Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. Folks,

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<v Speaker 1>there is so much breaking news that is happening this week,

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<v Speaker 1>it is hard to keep things straight. So I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to try and do something a little bit different, which

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<v Speaker 1>is run through a countdown of things that literally happened

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<v Speaker 1>in the last twenty four to forty eight hours. So

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<v Speaker 1>here we go. Let's start from the top with the

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<v Speaker 1>fact the biggest of the pieces of breaking news, which

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<v Speaker 1>is that seven hours, over seven hours, four hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty seven minutes of White House phone logs are somehow missing, erased,

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<v Speaker 1>lost on the day of the insurrection. I want you

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<v Speaker 1>to think about this because somebody had tweeted me and

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<v Speaker 1>I said, oh my god, what a wonderful way to

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<v Speaker 1>think about this. Imagine being on the job, whatever job

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<v Speaker 1>that is. Imagine that you are a blue collar as

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<v Speaker 1>the Republicans love to say, regular American worker, and you

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<v Speaker 1>happen to go dark, right, for over seven hours. That's

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<v Speaker 1>an entire workshift, right. Let's assume that we all work

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<v Speaker 1>for roughly eight to ten hours a day and you

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<v Speaker 1>go missing for over seven hours or people are trying

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<v Speaker 1>to call. There's just a gap in communication during this time.

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<v Speaker 1>And oh, by the way, you're also the manager of

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<v Speaker 1>said building that is on fire and no one can

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<v Speaker 1>find you. That is essentially what the National Archives when

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<v Speaker 1>they gave over the records up from the White House

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<v Speaker 1>on the day of the insurrection, what the one six

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<v Speaker 1>Commission has recognized and is being reported by the Washington

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<v Speaker 1>Post and now ever every major news outlet Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>We know from the over five hundred interviews that the

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<v Speaker 1>White House that the one six Commission House Investigation has

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<v Speaker 1>done over five hundred interviews that during that time everyone

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<v Speaker 1>who was in the vicinity of Donald Trump said that

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump is on the phone. We know that he

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<v Speaker 1>talked to Kevin McCarthy. We've learned that he tried to

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<v Speaker 1>call Mitch McConnell. We know that he talked to Jim Jordan.

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<v Speaker 1>We know that he talked to Steve Bannon. We know

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<v Speaker 1>that there are a list of people that were in conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>whether for sixty seconds or ten minutes plus with Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump on the day of the insurrection. But there is

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<v Speaker 1>a huge fucking gap in the White House phone locks.

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<v Speaker 1>Now a couple of things can also be true at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time. First of all, the only reason that

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<v Speaker 1>a president of the United States wouldn't be using said

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<v Speaker 1>white house phone logs is because you are trying to

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<v Speaker 1>cover something up. The only reason why you would be

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<v Speaker 1>using other people's phones, as I'm probably assured that Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump has more than one cell phone, is because you

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<v Speaker 1>are trying not to be traced. That you don't want

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<v Speaker 1>your you know, big moment, right, your big insurrection moment

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<v Speaker 1>to be interrupted, so you just stay off White House lines.

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<v Speaker 1>That is not the action that is taken by somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who is innocent and somebody that doesn't know how to

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<v Speaker 1>operate as a criminal. Here's the things that we already

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<v Speaker 1>know to be true about Donald Trump. Donald Trump does

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<v Speaker 1>not use email, does not have email, doesn't use text messages,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't write shit down. We even know from Ama Rosa

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<v Speaker 1>herself that one day she walked into the Oval office

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<v Speaker 1>and Donald Trump literally put a piece of paper in

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<v Speaker 1>his mouth. Innocent people don't do dubious shit like what

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<v Speaker 1>has been uncovered in Trump's White House. So here's the

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<v Speaker 1>fucking question, the million dollar question, the billion dollar question

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<v Speaker 1>that I've been asking since the insurrection on January six,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one, Where the fuck is Merrick Garland. Seriously,

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<v Speaker 1>at this stage of the game, you can no longer

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<v Speaker 1>tell me that things take time. You can no longer

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<v Speaker 1>tell me that the Department of Justice is actually putting

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<v Speaker 1>every bit of muscle necessary behind this investigation. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>because it's been over four hundred fucking days and we

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<v Speaker 1>have no word, not even a murmuring from inside the

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<v Speaker 1>Department of Justice other than people who work there that

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<v Speaker 1>are saying that they are frustrated with the inaction of

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<v Speaker 1>this age. So here's the thing, folks. We have a

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<v Speaker 1>case that was in New York that was supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be overseen right by the Manhattan District Attorney, the new

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<v Speaker 1>Manhattan District Attorney, Alvin Bragg. In the course of the

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<v Speaker 1>last few months, we have had two of the leading

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<v Speaker 1>prosecutors in that investigation quit, and they quit outright because

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<v Speaker 1>there has been no movement with regard to interviews in

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<v Speaker 1>front of the grand jury that his predecessor Sidance had

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<v Speaker 1>put in place, a special grand jury to sit for

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<v Speaker 1>longer than normal juries, because the mountain of evidence that

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<v Speaker 1>they need to fucking go through is just that deep

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<v Speaker 1>and that high Alvin Bragg, however, says, oh, there's nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to see here, folks, Merritt Garland mountains of evidence that

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<v Speaker 1>has been put together by a House commission that has

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely no teeth. All they can do is investigate, right,

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<v Speaker 1>All they can do is investigate and then make recommendations.

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<v Speaker 1>It is up to the Department of Justice to actually

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<v Speaker 1>offer up indictments, which, by the way, they have enough

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<v Speaker 1>fucking evidence to do, from Steve Bannon to Mark Meadows,

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<v Speaker 1>to fucking John Eastman to Donald Trump and to all

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<v Speaker 1>of the minions in between, and yet we have seen

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely nothing. But do you know what the other story is,

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<v Speaker 1>because there are many. Here's the other story. Thomas. Clarence

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<v Speaker 1>Clarence Thomas, who I always refer to because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you can never trust a person with two first names, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't. So. Clarence Thomas's wife, Jinny Jinny was at

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<v Speaker 1>the insurrection. Genny funded buses for the insurrectionists. Clarence Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>was the soul, the soul dissenter on the decision to

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<v Speaker 1>provide access to Donald Trump's phone records. Clarence Thomas, let

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<v Speaker 1>me say that again, was the soul dissenter, not wanting

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<v Speaker 1>to release Donald Trump's phone records. Then we find out why, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>because Genny Thomas had been in regular communication with Mark Meadows.

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<v Speaker 1>And so why do I say this? Let me bring

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<v Speaker 1>it full circle. Seven hours of White House phone logs

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<v Speaker 1>are empty. Mark Meadows was in deep communication with everybody

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<v Speaker 1>who was at the insurrection right as a as a participant,

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<v Speaker 1>or we're in the chamber hiding and fearing for their lives.

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<v Speaker 1>Why wouldn't Clarence Thomas want that information release? Oh, because

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<v Speaker 1>it would show that his wife's phone number would come

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<v Speaker 1>up on Mark meadows phone more than a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you have yesterday, Senator Chuck Schumer, the majority

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<v Speaker 1>leader for the Senate, say just casually that Clarence Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>should recuse himself or should have recused himself, and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>there should be some type of ethics with the Supreme Court. Folks,

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<v Speaker 1>let me tell you something. My ability to have patience

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<v Speaker 1>anymore for accountability, for responsibility for an attempted coup to

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<v Speaker 1>overthrow our democracy is done. I am going to call

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<v Speaker 1>out every single fucking person until I no longer have

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<v Speaker 1>breath in my body for their ineptitude. Folks will say

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<v Speaker 1>to me, well, Danielle, What do you want Chuck Schumer

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<v Speaker 1>to do. It's not like he can remove Clarence Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>from the bench, No he can't. But do you know

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<v Speaker 1>what Democrats can fucking do? Wage a full on media

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<v Speaker 1>onslought on Clarence Thomas, applying the fucking pressure so that

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans are forced every time that there is a camera

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<v Speaker 1>in their fucking faces to be able right to state

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<v Speaker 1>to the American people why there should be no trouble

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<v Speaker 1>with the fact that literally Clarence Thomas is literally in

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<v Speaker 1>bed with the fucking enemy, the enemy, the trees in

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<v Speaker 1>his enemy. Who was on the phone with Mark Meadows

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<v Speaker 1>saying this is how Donald Trump stays in office. You're

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<v Speaker 1>telling me that a woman who is the wife of

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<v Speaker 1>a sitting Supreme Court justice doesn't know how the fucking

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<v Speaker 1>constitution works, doesn't know electoral politics. Oh you want to

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<v Speaker 1>tell me that they're they're a Switzerland that is in

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<v Speaker 1>their house and she Clarence Thomas is completely neutral to

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that his wife was at the rally. Because

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<v Speaker 1>here's the thing, folks, they don't even give a fuck

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<v Speaker 1>about perception. You know why, because Democrats never lean into

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<v Speaker 1>how things look, and that all you need to do

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<v Speaker 1>is what Donald Trump did with his accusations of fraud

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<v Speaker 1>in the twenty twenty election, which is planned to fucking seed.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh seems like there was fraud. Remember Donald Trump said,

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<v Speaker 1>right on the phone with Secretary of State in Georgia,

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<v Speaker 1>Brad rath Nsberger, find me eleven thousand, seven hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>thirty some odd votes. I'll handle the rest. I got

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<v Speaker 1>my folks in place, I got this covered. What the

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<v Speaker 1>fuck do you think that Donald Trump was doing for

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred and fifty seven minutes, right, Donald Trump was

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<v Speaker 1>sitting in the White House orchestrating the coup that was

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<v Speaker 1>playing out on national television. But Republicans want to turn

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<v Speaker 1>around and even a sitting here's my other story, sitting

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<v Speaker 1>federal judge appointed by Donald Trump, Judge McFadden, said this

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<v Speaker 1>about insurrectionist that, oh, if they were a non violent

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<v Speaker 1>they shouldn't see any fucking jail time. And equating what

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<v Speaker 1>we saw on January six, twenty twenty one, to the

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<v Speaker 1>protest against the killing of George Floyd and consistent and

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<v Speaker 1>unrelenting police brutality, how can you look at these two

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<v Speaker 1>fucking situations and say these two things are the same bitch,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you looking at? But this is who Mitch

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<v Speaker 1>McConnell and Donald Trump put on over three hundred federal

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<v Speaker 1>courts around the country. But again, no media pushed by

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats to bring the world's attention to what the fuck

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<v Speaker 1>is happening in the United States Supreme Court, in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States Congress, and what was happening on the day

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<v Speaker 1>of January sixth. It's oh, nothing to see here, folks.

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<v Speaker 1>And I gotta tell you this. You know, there is

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<v Speaker 1>just so much that is happening. There is just so

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<v Speaker 1>much that is at stake, and I want to say this.

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<v Speaker 1>So in New York magazine, Alexandriocstio Cortez was interviewed, and

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<v Speaker 1>I want to read you what she said in this article, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and the article is entitled AOC's warning for Democrats, We're

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<v Speaker 1>in trouble. My other big story. What she says here,

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<v Speaker 1>I want it on a billboard, I want it on

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<v Speaker 1>every TikTok, I want it on every fucking reel. But

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<v Speaker 1>it won't happen because, you know what, it's not a

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<v Speaker 1>slap that took place at the Oscars that we can

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<v Speaker 1>all talk about for two and three and four days

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<v Speaker 1>but not the fact that we literally have active sitting

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<v Speaker 1>justices and active members of Congress that are bitch slapping

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<v Speaker 1>our democracy up and down, and no one gives a shit.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what Alexandrio Cassio Cortez said about Democrats and

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<v Speaker 1>said about the midterms that are coming up in a

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<v Speaker 1>few months. Quote a younger member of Congress, the first

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<v Speaker 1>vote I ever cast was for Barack Obama, who was

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<v Speaker 1>called a socialist, and all of this stuff, all of

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<v Speaker 1>this rhetoric that we see today, has been the political

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<v Speaker 1>reality my entire life, and so I never felt a

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<v Speaker 1>nostalgia for something that never existed in my lifetime. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like our politics has fundamentally changed, whether it's for

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<v Speaker 1>the better or for the worst. It's for people's determination.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was never under the illusion that we can

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<v Speaker 1>bring mansion along. And this is what she is referring to,

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<v Speaker 1>because Ocasio Cortez, according to this article and facts, was

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<v Speaker 1>one of only six Democrats that voted against Biden's one

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<v Speaker 1>point two trillion dollar infrastructure bill last November, and the

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<v Speaker 1>reason was because the larger bill, right, the bill back

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<v Speaker 1>better the people's the human infrastructure component was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be split off right and they said, oh, let us

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<v Speaker 1>pass the actual infrastructure that then we can tout as

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<v Speaker 1>bipartisan as if people give a fuck, and then we'll

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<v Speaker 1>come back for the BBB portion later on. And then

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<v Speaker 1>what happened. Joe Mansion and Kursten Cinema right renamed as

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<v Speaker 1>they always do, they smile to your face and stab

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<v Speaker 1>you in your back, and oh, Cassio Cortez is just like,

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<v Speaker 1>do we not understand the same person? And what she

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<v Speaker 1>says in this article so very plainly is that she's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to trust that the President of the United

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<v Speaker 1>States knew what he was doing, but this doesn't feel right,

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<v Speaker 1>and it didn't feel right. Here's her quote quote. I

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<v Speaker 1>have the utmost respect and confidence in the president, but

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<v Speaker 1>I just felt like we called two different plays on

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<v Speaker 1>this one. I think that there is a sense among

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<v Speaker 1>more senior members of Congress who have been around in

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<v Speaker 1>different political times that we can get back to this

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<v Speaker 1>time of buddy buddy and backslapping and we'll cut a

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<v Speaker 1>deal and go into a room with some bourbon and

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<v Speaker 1>some smoke, and you'll come out and work something out.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's a real nostalgia and believe that the

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<v Speaker 1>time this time still exists, or that we can get

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<v Speaker 1>back to it. Folks, how many times have you heard

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<v Speaker 1>me say the very same thing on woke af that

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden went into the presidency with this sense of nostalgia.

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<v Speaker 1>He went into the presidency and clearly let go of

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<v Speaker 1>the eight years in which he was vice president and

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<v Speaker 1>watch the hostility right play out against Barack Obama then

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<v Speaker 1>President Barack Obama. And I believe that Joe Biden thought

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<v Speaker 1>to himself, well, you know, it really isn't about race,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and they're calling him a Muslim, but it

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<v Speaker 1>really isn't about xenophobia or or Islamophobia. It really is

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that you know, he was an outsider, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know these guys. I've you know, played games

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<v Speaker 1>with these guys and attended dinners and birthday parties, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm one of the good old boys. And so

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<v Speaker 1>when they see my old ass, white face, that they

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<v Speaker 1>will see some comfort and they'll come to the table

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<v Speaker 1>because we're cut from the same cloth. And you see, folks,

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<v Speaker 1>it's that kind of thinking that made Joe Biden my

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<v Speaker 1>fifth choice for president. My fifth choice for president because

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<v Speaker 1>I knew, I knew and felt exactly what Ocasio Cortez

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<v Speaker 1>stated in this article, It was the belief that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>one of the good old white boys, and all we

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<v Speaker 1>need is a couple of bourbons and a cigar, and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get this country back on track like we always have,

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<v Speaker 1>not at all recognizing that our body politic had been

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<v Speaker 1>forever changed, that it was already changing when he was

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<v Speaker 1>vice president, and that Donald Trump and the Trump administration

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<v Speaker 1>wiped out any ever possibility, any little strand of hope

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<v Speaker 1>that the Republicans of yesteryear were gonna fucking return. So

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<v Speaker 1>when he saw the very same people that he used

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<v Speaker 1>to sit bourbon with decide that they were going to

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<v Speaker 1>vote against the certification of his election win, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he saw the same onslaught of lies right, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he saw the Capitol Building in a plum of smoke,

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<v Speaker 1>you would think that Joe Biden would have shook off

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<v Speaker 1>his desire for yesteryear and had his ass blasted into

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<v Speaker 1>the present fucking moment. But alas, here we are. Here,

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<v Speaker 1>we are with nada, nothing, zilch, zero to offer the

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<v Speaker 1>American people as to why Democrats need to remain in power.

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<v Speaker 1>Because here's the thing, Democrats are not making any type

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<v Speaker 1>of push to hold Donald Trump accountable. They want to

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<v Speaker 1>move on to issues that quote unquote the American people

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<v Speaker 1>care about. Do you know what the fuck the American

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<v Speaker 1>people care about having a government that isn't corrupt Because

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<v Speaker 1>the questions that I keep asking about Marrick Garland, about

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<v Speaker 1>the Alvin Braggs of the world right, is that they

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<v Speaker 1>all take money from the same fucking people, both Republican

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<v Speaker 1>and Democratic donors. And I'm saying to myself, self, why

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<v Speaker 1>isn't their rigorous investigation because I believe that these motherfuckers

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<v Speaker 1>are bought and sold. But instead of anybody doing any

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<v Speaker 1>deep dive investigation into whether or not, oh, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know that a sitting Supreme Court justice members partner decided

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<v Speaker 1>to fund insurrectionists instead of going into see like who

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<v Speaker 1>exactly was funding Alvin Bragg's campaign and what decisions did

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<v Speaker 1>he make about slow walking the Trump investigation. And after

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<v Speaker 1>literally years of work that has been done to build

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<v Speaker 1>a criminal case, an airtight criminal case against the man

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<v Speaker 1>who has been on a thirty plus year fucking crime

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<v Speaker 1>spree in this state, let alone the four year crime

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<v Speaker 1>spree that he did nationally. So you look at this, folks,

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<v Speaker 1>you look at this and I think to myself, like,

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<v Speaker 1>where is the energy? Why is there such a lack

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<v Speaker 1>of focus? Why is there such a lack of grit

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<v Speaker 1>and pursuit of justice above all else right now? And

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<v Speaker 1>the only thing that I can think of, the only

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<v Speaker 1>thing that makes sense is that money is entangled in

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<v Speaker 1>this because there's no other and you can't you shit like, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>the country's been through enough, right because this is the

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<v Speaker 1>type of talking points that both sides want to offer up.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh the country has been through enough. The American people

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<v Speaker 1>want to turn the page, turn the page on to

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<v Speaker 1>what authoritarianism? American fascism? What are we turning the page too,

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<v Speaker 1>We're turning the page to the focus on preserving democracy

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<v Speaker 1>overseas while ours is under attack. Why would people decide

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<v Speaker 1>to vote for Democrats when Joe Biden stands up and

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<v Speaker 1>refers to the people that want that believe that he's

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<v Speaker 1>an illegitimate president as his friend. So if you're not

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<v Speaker 1>making it very clear who the fuck the enemy is,

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<v Speaker 1>then how are you getting people to vote for you?

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<v Speaker 1>And why would they show up? Here's what else Okasi

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<v Speaker 1>or Cortez offers in this interview in New York magazine quote.

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<v Speaker 1>If the president does pursue and start to govern decisively

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<v Speaker 1>using executive action and other tools at his disposal, at

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<v Speaker 1>his disposal, I think we're in the game. But she says,

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<v Speaker 1>if we decide to just kind of sit back for

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the year and not change people's lives, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I do think we're in trouble. So I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that it's set in stone. I think that we can

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<v Speaker 1>determine our destiny. Here. Here's the thing I do disagree

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<v Speaker 1>with Ocasio Cortez here, I do believe that it's set

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<v Speaker 1>in stone. I don't think that Democrats in charge, in

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<v Speaker 1>power in this administration are going to do or offer

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<v Speaker 1>a fucking thing. They're not going to offer a rebuke

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<v Speaker 1>of the Republican Party turned into white nationalist party. They're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to offer right to the use of executive

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<v Speaker 1>action because they have this fifty fifty split that ain't

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<v Speaker 1>shit can get done. So they're not going to cancel

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<v Speaker 1>student loan debt. They're not going to do shit on

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<v Speaker 1>climate change, they're not going to do anything on police

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<v Speaker 1>or form. But get this, even though we know that

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<v Speaker 1>executive orders can be rolled back, Joe Biden has until

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four, so he could be providing clear relief

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<v Speaker 1>and leadership in this moment, even if it is just

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<v Speaker 1>to use as a campaign motivator to get people to

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<v Speaker 1>want to go to the polls in November and then

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<v Speaker 1>again in twenty twenty four. And this is why my

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<v Speaker 1>upcoming conversation with our friend doctor Jonathan Metzel today is

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<v Speaker 1>so important because Jonathan and I get into a conversation

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<v Speaker 1>that really got me, and it is this, the Democratic

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<v Speaker 1>Party does not understand power. They don't understand how to

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<v Speaker 1>get power, they don't understand how to hold power. And

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<v Speaker 1>when Jonathan begins to unpack what he believes are the

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<v Speaker 1>reasons why, and I want to say this, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>just say and rest on our laurels that, oh well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's easier to sell hate, like, oh well, it's easier,

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<v Speaker 1>And Jonathan will say this to be united when you

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<v Speaker 1>were a monolith. Because here's the thing, and my pushback

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<v Speaker 1>is that if saving our democracy is not the unifying message,

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<v Speaker 1>then what the fuck are Democrats running on? That's really

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<v Speaker 1>the question, because you don't have to be focused on

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<v Speaker 1>all of these other issues because the reality is is

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<v Speaker 1>that if we don't preserve our democracy. Then it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>matter what is happening with climate change, It doesn't matter

0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:20.040
<v Speaker 1>what is going on with police reform. It doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 1>that women and people with uterusis are about to lose

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<v Speaker 1>abortion access when the final decision is made in June

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<v Speaker 1>about Rovie Wade and the Mississippi case. None of that matters.

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<v Speaker 1>If we don't have free and fair elections, None of

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<v Speaker 1>that matters if we have lost faith and the integrity

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<v Speaker 1>within our governmental agencies. So we can talk about all

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<v Speaker 1>of these other issues until we're blue in the face,

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<v Speaker 1>But if the fundamental, the foundation of it all, which

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<v Speaker 1>is our democracy, government formed by the people, is not protected,

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<v Speaker 1>then nothing else matters. And what is sad but so

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<v Speaker 1>very evident, is that Democrats are looking up in the

0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:17.040
<v Speaker 1>sky hoping for a miracle and one ain't coming. Because

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<v Speaker 1>the miracle right now would be them developing a spine,

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<v Speaker 1>would be them developing some type of warrior spirit that

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<v Speaker 1>has been absent, which leaves me wondering why I'm still

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<v Speaker 1>a Democrat. Do you know why you are still a Democrat?

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me in the comments section today, why we continue

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<v Speaker 1>to be a part of an activated in this party

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<v Speaker 1>that clearly has no path forward. We have a handful

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<v Speaker 1>of months, folks, a handful of months. We'll be here

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<v Speaker 1>in the blink of an eye, and so will American fascism.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm wondering which gets here first. Coming up next

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<v Speaker 1>my conversation with our friend doctor Jonathan Metzel. Folks, I

0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:22.560
<v Speaker 1>am back from vak as you know, and super excited

0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:28.080
<v Speaker 1>to be rejoined by my favorite Wednesday guest, doctor Jonathan metzol.

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<v Speaker 1>You know him and you love him as the author

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<v Speaker 1>of Dying of Whiteness, which apparently we are in fact

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<v Speaker 1>going to all die of in the next several months.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know how much more information we

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<v Speaker 1>need to see in front of us, Jonathan about the

0:28:42.840 --> 0:28:46.480
<v Speaker 1>direction that this country is headed in about its love

0:28:46.480 --> 0:28:52.000
<v Speaker 1>affair with white supremacy. So talk to us about what

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<v Speaker 1>you have been seeing and noticing, because I'm telling you again,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what your thoughts were when you wrote

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<v Speaker 1>Dying of Whiteness, Where where your mind was in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of how you were going to see the evolution of

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<v Speaker 1>essentially your thesis, the evolution of your book over the

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<v Speaker 1>last couple of years. So hello everybody. I'm in Ithaca,

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<v Speaker 1>New York today. I'm obviously wearing a turtleneck because it's

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<v Speaker 1>a blizzard out. It's literally snowing like crazy out my window,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's nineteen degrees and so it's end of days.

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<v Speaker 1>And if it's if I'm realizing, if it's end of days,

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<v Speaker 1>you want a comfortable turtleneck. So that's that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>my strategy now. But I'm here actually giving I'm giving

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<v Speaker 1>the Krieger lecture that later this afternoon on the topic

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<v Speaker 1>of dying of whiteness, and they asked me to talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, what's the lesson of my book you know

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<v Speaker 1>now a couple of years on. And it's pretty interesting, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because I wrote that book as a as a warning. Right. Initially,

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<v Speaker 1>I was doing research in I was doing research in

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky and Tennessee and Missouri and Kansas, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>seeing people make decisions that were terrible for their own health,

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<v Speaker 1>like literally ending their own life, but they were leading

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<v Speaker 1>to a lot of power for the issue that they

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<v Speaker 1>care about, namely, keeping conservative white America on top, playing

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<v Speaker 1>a card of being a victim in order to a

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<v Speaker 1>sure power. And I tell a lot of stories in

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<v Speaker 1>that book about people who basically say, I realize I

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<v Speaker 1>could benefit by, you know, getting my own health insurance

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<v Speaker 1>or sending my kid to a better school. But to

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<v Speaker 1>do that would mean to participate in pluralistic democracy, and

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<v Speaker 1>instead I'm not going to do that, so that my

0:30:37.120 --> 0:30:39.840
<v Speaker 1>party basically people laying their lives down on the line.

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<v Speaker 1>And so obviously those issues now are almost on steroids.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I wrote the book. It came out in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen, twenty twenty as a warning like, let's not

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<v Speaker 1>do what Kansas and Missouri are doing. But instead what

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<v Speaker 1>used to be called the Southern strategy whip up white

0:30:54.920 --> 0:30:58.520
<v Speaker 1>racial resentment, is now a national strategy. And so the

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<v Speaker 1>talk I'm going to be give today is basically, what's

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<v Speaker 1>the lesson? Like how did these crazy politics, who seemingly

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<v Speaker 1>self defeating, fascist politics, how did they get to the

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<v Speaker 1>position they are now, which is that they take over

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, the country. They've taken over the Supreme Court.

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<v Speaker 1>Poor Justice Thomas has his wife sneaking around behind his

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<v Speaker 1>back when he doesn't even know it or he would

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<v Speaker 1>ruse himself. So the politics have taken over the entire country,

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<v Speaker 1>and the question is how did we get here? And

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<v Speaker 1>on one hand, I think it's easy to say and

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's right that right racial resentment is so

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<v Speaker 1>deep in this country that any moment that there's the

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<v Speaker 1>promise of any kind of equality is going to take over.

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<v Speaker 1>But I would also say that the other lesson of

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<v Speaker 1>the book that I'm going to talk about is how Republicans,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, during the Obama presidency, were worried that they

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<v Speaker 1>were literally getting wiped off the map, and so they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't just play to white racial resentment. What they also

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<v Speaker 1>did is they mobilized at local levels. They took over

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<v Speaker 1>school boards, they took over county commissioner's office, election offices.

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<v Speaker 1>They really they became a very formidable voting block as

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<v Speaker 1>a result of people who really cared almost more than

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<v Speaker 1>their own well being. And what they did is they

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<v Speaker 1>basically took over They used local power to take over

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<v Speaker 1>courthouses and judges and work their way up. And so

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<v Speaker 1>the other part of this isn't just about condemning whiteness.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also to recognize that we got here because, to

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<v Speaker 1>be frank, Republicans were better than us at playing the

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<v Speaker 1>political game in terms of seating the power of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they noticed they basically realized that the power was in judges,

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<v Speaker 1>and they did what it took in a way to

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<v Speaker 1>get there. And so I'm saying that because the other

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<v Speaker 1>part of my talk today is a challenge for Democrats,

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<v Speaker 1>which is we better get mobilized. You know, even though

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<v Speaker 1>everything is it gets us, and we mobilized like crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think for us it's kind of like a

0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:58.360
<v Speaker 1>lot of us feel like we mobilized for the presidential

0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:01.200
<v Speaker 1>election and where did it get us? But the Republicans

0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:03.840
<v Speaker 1>would say, we mobilized for the school board and the

0:33:03.880 --> 0:33:07.280
<v Speaker 1>election and the county commissioner, and we built our way

0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:09.239
<v Speaker 1>from the ground. App we didn't think, oh, because we

0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:11.760
<v Speaker 1>won a presidential election and we didn't get what we wanted,

0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:16.520
<v Speaker 1>we were going to stop mobilizing. You know, Jonathan, so

0:33:16.600 --> 0:33:19.880
<v Speaker 1>many things that you bring up, and I want to

0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:24.120
<v Speaker 1>go to the beginning where you said that the Southern

0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:28.960
<v Speaker 1>strategy has now turned into a national strategy, and I

0:33:29.000 --> 0:33:32.680
<v Speaker 1>want to dig into that a bit because as we

0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:36.560
<v Speaker 1>continue to get news right, and you brought up Jinny Thomas,

0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:41.080
<v Speaker 1>which should be front page news, but instead we continue

0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:44.360
<v Speaker 1>to focus on, you know, the flap that happened at

0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:48.960
<v Speaker 1>the Oscars, and you know, and the entertainment value thereof

0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:52.200
<v Speaker 1>and the debate thereof with regard to, you know, acts

0:33:52.200 --> 0:33:55.800
<v Speaker 1>of violence, but we don't actually continue to talk about

0:33:55.840 --> 0:34:01.480
<v Speaker 1>the act of violence that proceeded the the desire to

0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:05.240
<v Speaker 1>halt an election and then bring down our country, the

0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:09.120
<v Speaker 1>act of violence being the insurrection, right, and the enablers

0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:13.279
<v Speaker 1>of that being a spouse of a sitting Supreme Court

0:34:13.360 --> 0:34:17.400
<v Speaker 1>justice who was the sole person to vote no on

0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:23.680
<v Speaker 1>Trump being able to Trump needing to release his phone records.

0:34:24.000 --> 0:34:27.040
<v Speaker 1>And now we understand why, right, because they were back

0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:30.640
<v Speaker 1>and forth text messages between his wife and Mark Meadows,

0:34:30.719 --> 0:34:33.440
<v Speaker 1>chief of staff to Donald Trump. And so the question

0:34:33.480 --> 0:34:38.040
<v Speaker 1>that I have about white resentment is that for a

0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:43.080
<v Speaker 1>party that value who, for a party whose value right,

0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:47.279
<v Speaker 1>whose value base is logic, how is it that we

0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:52.440
<v Speaker 1>are supposed to battle against something that isn't steeped in logic,

0:34:52.840 --> 0:34:55.920
<v Speaker 1>which is white resentment? Because for me, when I think

0:34:55.960 --> 0:34:57.919
<v Speaker 1>about it, I'm like, what the fuck do white people

0:34:57.960 --> 0:35:00.880
<v Speaker 1>have to be resentful about? Right? Like, that's that's what

0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:04.239
<v Speaker 1>that's where my energy goes. And you know, forgive me,

0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:09.000
<v Speaker 1>because I have lost all ability to like be gracious anymore,

0:35:09.280 --> 0:35:11.480
<v Speaker 1>given like where we are and the fact that there

0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:15.520
<v Speaker 1>is no fire under the ass of Democrats. There is

0:35:15.560 --> 0:35:19.440
<v Speaker 1>no strategy that you continue to bring to light things

0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:23.080
<v Speaker 1>that I'm wondering, is there a war room in the

0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:26.240
<v Speaker 1>White House anymore that isn't just focused on what's happening abroad?

0:35:26.280 --> 0:35:30.239
<v Speaker 1>And so how do you how do you profess that

0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:35.880
<v Speaker 1>we battle this growing cancer of white resentment that has

0:35:35.960 --> 0:35:40.759
<v Speaker 1>moved from a southern strategy to a national one when

0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:48.280
<v Speaker 1>we base as Democrats, our fight it with logic and racism,

0:35:48.480 --> 0:35:51.600
<v Speaker 1>isn't logical? Well, look at look at what's happening now.

0:35:51.640 --> 0:35:57.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think it's a perfect, perfect example. The

0:35:57.400 --> 0:36:01.680
<v Speaker 1>Republicans lost the election, right, they clearly lost election, and

0:36:01.680 --> 0:36:04.160
<v Speaker 1>they knew they lost. Selection Trump knows he lost the election,

0:36:05.160 --> 0:36:08.160
<v Speaker 1>but instead of saying like, oh gosh, we tried really

0:36:08.160 --> 0:36:10.120
<v Speaker 1>hardly lost or something like that, he came up with

0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:15.879
<v Speaker 1>this all encompassing, totally bullshit narrative. And the narrative he knows.

0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:17.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's been told a million times and he

0:36:17.719 --> 0:36:20.439
<v Speaker 1>damn well knows he lost the election. But that wasn't

0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:23.400
<v Speaker 1>the point. The point was how can I mobilize my

0:36:23.480 --> 0:36:26.840
<v Speaker 1>base and keep them engaged and keep them enraged to

0:36:26.960 --> 0:36:29.319
<v Speaker 1>the point where losing an election comes at a cost,

0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:32.680
<v Speaker 1>so at a moment of weakness the Republicans, at least

0:36:32.719 --> 0:36:35.279
<v Speaker 1>in their own party base. And I'm not saying this

0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:37.400
<v Speaker 1>because I agree with it. I completely don't agree with it,

0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:39.960
<v Speaker 1>but I don't just want to note what happened. They

0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:42.520
<v Speaker 1>use that as a way to mobilize, right, They use

0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:44.600
<v Speaker 1>that as a way to say, we were wronged, we

0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:48.000
<v Speaker 1>were ripped off, and they created i mean, Trump for

0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:52.360
<v Speaker 1>all of his you know, horribleness is he's an evil

0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:55.000
<v Speaker 1>genius about like coming up with that narrative that will

0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:57.719
<v Speaker 1>whip everybody up, you know, critical race theory or this

0:36:57.800 --> 0:37:00.600
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing. He's you know, And so the issue is,

0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:03.319
<v Speaker 1>the minute he started saying, oh, we were ripped off,

0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:06.080
<v Speaker 1>it became you know, obviously it played into white greevents,

0:37:06.120 --> 0:37:10.520
<v Speaker 1>It played into victimization, it played into lost wages of whiteness,

0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:14.000
<v Speaker 1>all these you know, historical narratives. But what happened was

0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:16.319
<v Speaker 1>what did they do when that when that happened, Well,

0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:20.480
<v Speaker 1>they turned around and it became a rallying cry to

0:37:20.719 --> 0:37:23.920
<v Speaker 1>run for every position that was a lever of power.

0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:27.120
<v Speaker 1>And so twenty twenty two in the election, it's not

0:37:27.160 --> 0:37:29.480
<v Speaker 1>just an election about the control of the Senate, it's

0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:33.480
<v Speaker 1>it's elect It's an election about every you know, every

0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:39.520
<v Speaker 1>school board across the country, every every um, you know,

0:37:39.719 --> 0:37:43.240
<v Speaker 1>election official, the people who decide all, who counts the ballots,

0:37:43.280 --> 0:37:45.279
<v Speaker 1>all those kinds of things. And so they turned a

0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:49.640
<v Speaker 1>loss into a massive mobilization that is, I think, to

0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:53.759
<v Speaker 1>be honest, acutely aware of how power works in this country. Right.

0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:57.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm not saying that because I agree with it,

0:37:56.800 --> 0:38:00.839
<v Speaker 1>m but but the Democrats again and are saying, we

0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:04.319
<v Speaker 1>won the federal we won, we won the presidency, and

0:38:04.360 --> 0:38:07.240
<v Speaker 1>what's the president doing for us? The Republicans are turning

0:38:07.280 --> 0:38:12.080
<v Speaker 1>a loss into a recognition of how power works at

0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:14.640
<v Speaker 1>multiple levels in this country. So I just would go

0:38:14.680 --> 0:38:18.600
<v Speaker 1>back to say, and I'm obviously a very liberal Democrat,

0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:22.040
<v Speaker 1>but I do have to say studying Republicans that they

0:38:22.120 --> 0:38:25.879
<v Speaker 1>understand how power works, and they're doing it from They're

0:38:25.920 --> 0:38:28.600
<v Speaker 1>doing it from the top down. And so I would say,

0:38:28.840 --> 0:38:32.200
<v Speaker 1>how come there's not massive mobilization of the Democrats, not

0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:35.600
<v Speaker 1>just by Biden they bide administration, but for every single

0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:39.360
<v Speaker 1>local office across the country, Like, that's where we should

0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:42.080
<v Speaker 1>be mobilizing, because that's that's where the that's where the

0:38:42.800 --> 0:38:46.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, that's where the the afterlife of this insurrection

0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:53.400
<v Speaker 1>is happening in local elections. So let's pretend we're all stupid, right, Um, No,

0:38:53.480 --> 0:38:56.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean I'm stupid. No, no, No, Let's let's pretend

0:38:56.440 --> 0:39:00.560
<v Speaker 1>that we have no idea how power works, because Democrats

0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:05.960
<v Speaker 1>clearly don't know. What is it that Republicans have figured

0:39:06.040 --> 0:39:13.719
<v Speaker 1>out that democrats in power are currently ignoring. So what

0:39:13.880 --> 0:39:19.000
<v Speaker 1>is it? What are what is their understanding of power

0:39:20.360 --> 0:39:24.040
<v Speaker 1>versus the democrats understanding of power? Well, I think the

0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Republicans have pretty I mean, let's just be honest. It's

0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:30.319
<v Speaker 1>easier to have a unified theory of power if your

0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:34.359
<v Speaker 1>party is monolithic. And it's easier to have that if

0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:37.080
<v Speaker 1>you're if the common common narrative that joins your party

0:39:38.200 --> 0:39:42.560
<v Speaker 1>is um, you know, almost a libertarian engagement with business,

0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:46.200
<v Speaker 1>hands off my privilege, that kind of stuff, and a

0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:50.080
<v Speaker 1>sense that you're being done wrong by immigrants, minorities. That

0:39:50.200 --> 0:39:53.120
<v Speaker 1>that that's the gift that keeps giving because you can

0:39:53.239 --> 0:39:56.920
<v Speaker 1>tell one one story about your party that just keeps

0:39:56.920 --> 0:40:00.920
<v Speaker 1>getting amplified and enhanced. And the Democrats, of course, are

0:40:00.960 --> 0:40:06.040
<v Speaker 1>a coalition of many different agendas, many different people, many

0:40:06.080 --> 0:40:10.800
<v Speaker 1>different regions, and so the Democrats don't have that luxury.

0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:14.239
<v Speaker 1>So there is something inherent about the Republican Party that

0:40:14.320 --> 0:40:17.120
<v Speaker 1>makes it easier to do what it's doing. But I

0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:20.279
<v Speaker 1>would also say that the Republican Party has very correctly

0:40:20.360 --> 0:40:25.120
<v Speaker 1>diagnosed where the power lies in the American political system.

0:40:25.200 --> 0:40:28.360
<v Speaker 1>It's not I mean, the president of course wields a

0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:31.880
<v Speaker 1>lot of power, but ultimately, if you control the courts,

0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:35.879
<v Speaker 1>as we've talked about nine billion times on here, then

0:40:36.000 --> 0:40:38.920
<v Speaker 1>you control many of the major decisions. And how do

0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:41.360
<v Speaker 1>you gain control of the courts while you gain control

0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:44.960
<v Speaker 1>of the state apparatus? And so for all that talk

0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:47.759
<v Speaker 1>about states rights and all that kind of stuff, the Republicans,

0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:50.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I see it in the South very well.

0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:56.239
<v Speaker 1>The Republicans have such a stranglehold on the slates of

0:40:57.120 --> 0:40:59.840
<v Speaker 1>every kind of election. And I would just say the minute,

0:40:59.840 --> 0:41:02.359
<v Speaker 1>the minute the insurrection happened, I mean, I know it's

0:41:02.400 --> 0:41:04.480
<v Speaker 1>important to like get to the bottom of it and

0:41:04.560 --> 0:41:07.200
<v Speaker 1>try it and bring you know, truth and light and

0:41:07.320 --> 0:41:11.319
<v Speaker 1>justice into the open um. But I would also say

0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:14.440
<v Speaker 1>that the Democrats the day the election was over, should

0:41:14.440 --> 0:41:19.400
<v Speaker 1>have mobilized a massive national campaign of people running for

0:41:19.600 --> 0:41:23.640
<v Speaker 1>local elections. The you know, I mean, where's our national

0:41:23.680 --> 0:41:27.440
<v Speaker 1>coalition of you know, zillions of dollars into people running

0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:32.160
<v Speaker 1>for comptroller and attorney general. Yeah, but here's my but here.

0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:34.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to push back just a little bit

0:41:34.360 --> 0:41:37.200
<v Speaker 1>because I think that I agree with the I agree

0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:40.279
<v Speaker 1>with the your framing, but I want to push back

0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:43.600
<v Speaker 1>a bit because it isn't Republicans at the national level

0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:48.000
<v Speaker 1>that are running these school boards and running it's the

0:41:48.200 --> 0:41:52.400
<v Speaker 1>it's the local ones. And so why do you think

0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:57.920
<v Speaker 1>that local democrats right right, are not because we can't

0:41:58.000 --> 0:42:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Because here's the thing, right, everything that you're saying is right,

0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:05.200
<v Speaker 1>Democrats in and of themselves are patent breaking their arms,

0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:08.200
<v Speaker 1>patting themselves on the back because we have the White House,

0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:12.360
<v Speaker 1>we have and we have Congress, which shows us to

0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:16.800
<v Speaker 1>be completely and totally ineffectual. Right like we where where

0:42:16.880 --> 0:42:19.279
<v Speaker 1>is the progress that we that we voted in in

0:42:19.280 --> 0:42:23.480
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty and supposedly have these levers of power? And

0:42:23.560 --> 0:42:27.759
<v Speaker 1>so I guess what is it that you think that

0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:32.239
<v Speaker 1>the Democrats at the local levels in these you know,

0:42:32.520 --> 0:42:38.720
<v Speaker 1>really battleground states and places are not getting that Republicans are.

0:42:39.200 --> 0:42:41.200
<v Speaker 1>I see it in Tennessee. I mean the stuff that's

0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:43.920
<v Speaker 1>happening in Tennessee is just it's just mind boggling in

0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:47.560
<v Speaker 1>a way. But but they're so I mean, and I

0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:50.880
<v Speaker 1>don't know how representative Tennessee is. I mean, I do

0:42:50.920 --> 0:42:54.319
<v Speaker 1>feel like it's pretty representative. But I mean, the Republicans

0:42:54.320 --> 0:42:59.319
<v Speaker 1>are coming in with sponsors, slates of ideas, you know,

0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:02.320
<v Speaker 1>this kind of thing. I mean, there's so much support

0:43:02.480 --> 0:43:07.279
<v Speaker 1>for just local GOP level elections, and it is I

0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:11.000
<v Speaker 1>think coordinated in a national way through national organizations and

0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:14.239
<v Speaker 1>things like that. But there's so much mobilization to win

0:43:14.400 --> 0:43:17.279
<v Speaker 1>local elections that comes from the top down and from

0:43:17.320 --> 0:43:20.319
<v Speaker 1>the bottom up. And I think that you know, I

0:43:20.360 --> 0:43:22.400
<v Speaker 1>don't know, I mean, it's it's I mean, if you

0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:25.440
<v Speaker 1>look on Twitter, I follow all the Democrats in the

0:43:25.480 --> 0:43:29.640
<v Speaker 1>Tennessee State, for say House for example, they're just crying

0:43:29.680 --> 0:43:34.799
<v Speaker 1>out for help, honestly, and partially it's like there's so

0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:37.160
<v Speaker 1>many tidal waves coming at us at once in a

0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:39.160
<v Speaker 1>certain kind of way. But I do feel like the

0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:44.080
<v Speaker 1>Democratic Party suffers from a lack of central organization in

0:43:44.120 --> 0:43:47.080
<v Speaker 1>a certain kind of way. And the other part is

0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:50.360
<v Speaker 1>kind of what's what's the narrative if the other facide

0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:54.560
<v Speaker 1>is running on a politics of white grievance. How do

0:43:54.600 --> 0:43:59.640
<v Speaker 1>you combat that in a certain kind of way, And

0:43:59.760 --> 0:44:02.200
<v Speaker 1>so I think the Democrats need to think about who's

0:44:02.239 --> 0:44:06.040
<v Speaker 1>in their coalition. Basically, what I'm saying is local democrats

0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:10.120
<v Speaker 1>need much much more help, and there needs to be

0:44:10.200 --> 0:44:12.919
<v Speaker 1>much more coordination, and there needs to be much more

0:44:13.040 --> 0:44:16.000
<v Speaker 1>of a kind of and I just feel like there

0:44:16.040 --> 0:44:18.960
<v Speaker 1>need to be more national organizations that help people in

0:44:19.040 --> 0:44:22.640
<v Speaker 1>red states run for office, because what we're seeing is

0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:25.080
<v Speaker 1>is fracture. And I think the other really important point.

0:44:25.400 --> 0:44:29.680
<v Speaker 1>We have a great congressman, Jim Cooper, his district got

0:44:30.400 --> 0:44:33.600
<v Speaker 1>his district got jerrymandered, and so he's now out of office.

0:44:34.560 --> 0:44:39.480
<v Speaker 1>It became three Republican districts from one Democratic district, and

0:44:39.560 --> 0:44:42.560
<v Speaker 1>so again it all goes back to who controls the judges.

0:44:42.680 --> 0:44:44.880
<v Speaker 1>But there is one point, and I realize I'm rambling

0:44:44.880 --> 0:44:47.799
<v Speaker 1>on a little bit here, but the one point is

0:44:49.320 --> 0:44:52.200
<v Speaker 1>the Democrats were very not unified. It's been the case

0:44:52.239 --> 0:44:55.720
<v Speaker 1>for every election. We've got progressives and Centrists going after

0:44:55.760 --> 0:44:59.440
<v Speaker 1>each other. And in fact, before Jim Cooper got unseated

0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:07.560
<v Speaker 1>by jerrymandering, the National Progressive Organization was trying to unseat

0:45:07.640 --> 0:45:11.000
<v Speaker 1>him because he was an incumbent and things like that,

0:45:11.040 --> 0:45:14.759
<v Speaker 1>and so Democrats also, I think we're just we're very

0:45:14.800 --> 0:45:17.720
<v Speaker 1>far from unified in a way that I think leads

0:45:17.760 --> 0:45:20.920
<v Speaker 1>to some bad hour comes, at least in Tennessee. I

0:45:21.120 --> 0:45:26.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, I guess I'm I'm so confused, right, And

0:45:26.440 --> 0:45:30.839
<v Speaker 1>here's here's what I'm confused by. I thought that as

0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:36.880
<v Speaker 1>a nation collectively watching our capital building in a plume

0:45:36.920 --> 0:45:44.000
<v Speaker 1>of smoke, literally seeing a physical assault on our democracy

0:45:44.160 --> 0:45:48.520
<v Speaker 1>unfold in real time, would have been the only unifying

0:45:49.160 --> 0:45:53.759
<v Speaker 1>message that we needed that everything that we had hold dear,

0:45:54.239 --> 0:45:57.920
<v Speaker 1>everything that we pledge allegiance to, everything that we wave

0:45:57.960 --> 0:46:02.880
<v Speaker 1>a flag about on the fourth of Lie is under attack,

0:46:03.440 --> 0:46:06.960
<v Speaker 1>and that the only unifying message would be we can't

0:46:07.000 --> 0:46:11.240
<v Speaker 1>have that happen. We can't have our democracy fall. Because

0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:13.440
<v Speaker 1>for those people who want to tell me that this

0:46:13.520 --> 0:46:16.520
<v Speaker 1>administration can't walk, skip and chew gum at the same

0:46:16.520 --> 0:46:20.319
<v Speaker 1>fucking time, because we are fighting a nuclear you know,

0:46:20.640 --> 0:46:24.880
<v Speaker 1>a potential nuclear attack in Europe, so we can't put

0:46:24.880 --> 0:46:30.080
<v Speaker 1>eyes on the domestic terrorism that is unfolding in outside

0:46:30.080 --> 0:46:32.719
<v Speaker 1>of our front doors. That we can't handle both those

0:46:32.719 --> 0:46:35.760
<v Speaker 1>things at one time. I'm confused about what they think

0:46:35.840 --> 0:46:40.919
<v Speaker 1>will happen when America falls and there is no unification

0:46:41.000 --> 0:46:46.160
<v Speaker 1>around democracy. Right, and we've already saw over four years

0:46:46.160 --> 0:46:50.600
<v Speaker 1>of Donald Trump. What a political vacuum and leadership? What

0:46:50.719 --> 0:46:55.520
<v Speaker 1>would happen? Right? And so you would think, Jonathan, wouldn't

0:46:55.600 --> 0:47:00.000
<v Speaker 1>that wouldn't what we saw in January six, twenty twenty one.

0:47:00.560 --> 0:47:04.239
<v Speaker 1>Wouldn't that have been our unifying message? And what is

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<v Speaker 1>it you think that Democrats missed in that moment and

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<v Speaker 1>and and the proceeding and the following moments. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I'm going to turn that question around, which is

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<v Speaker 1>to say, look at what the Republicans have done with

0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:22.640
<v Speaker 1>this horrible moment, right, Look at what the Republicans have

0:47:22.680 --> 0:47:25.279
<v Speaker 1>done with the insurrection. Right. They've used this moment of

0:47:26.280 --> 0:47:29.960
<v Speaker 1>it's a moment of profound shame. Right, but look at

0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:32.799
<v Speaker 1>what they've done. They've turned it on its head and

0:47:32.840 --> 0:47:35.600
<v Speaker 1>they've used it as they would They didn't say, oh

0:47:35.640 --> 0:47:38.279
<v Speaker 1>my god, look how we got here. They're using this,

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<v Speaker 1>They're using the symbol of that insurrection to further enhance

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<v Speaker 1>and solidify their own power in a certain kind of way. So, Um,

0:47:48.239 --> 0:47:50.480
<v Speaker 1>we've said it a lot on this show. The Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>have a theory of power and the Democrats have a

0:47:53.560 --> 0:47:56.680
<v Speaker 1>theory of Maybe justice would would be a way to

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<v Speaker 1>think about it, you know, something like we have a

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<v Speaker 1>theory of something. Um. But I will say, okay, that

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<v Speaker 1>was a viral moment there. I mean, I guess my

0:48:11.120 --> 0:48:12.960
<v Speaker 1>point is we don't have a theory of power. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, I'm trying to I'm trying to be nice

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<v Speaker 1>about it. We don't have a Democrat like. So basically

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans have a theory of power which I just wrote down,

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<v Speaker 1>and Democrats have dot dot dot. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>it is. We have excellent stationary or something. We have

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<v Speaker 1>to have something. But my point is they turn everything

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<v Speaker 1>into power, right, I mean, think about it. And so

0:48:33.680 --> 0:48:37.680
<v Speaker 1>in addition to condemning the insurrection and all these things,

0:48:38.280 --> 0:48:40.799
<v Speaker 1>look at what they've done. They've taken the insurrection and

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<v Speaker 1>they've noticed how to get more power, and then they've

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<v Speaker 1>done it. And so again it's it's like watching Voldemort

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<v Speaker 1>at work. Um. It's not like I'm saying, you know,

0:48:51.960 --> 0:48:54.160
<v Speaker 1>I want to be that or anything. But I would

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<v Speaker 1>say that when we were fighting an opponent, a political

0:48:57.640 --> 0:49:04.520
<v Speaker 1>opponent who has a very developed fascistic, monolithic theory of power.

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<v Speaker 1>The answer is not going to be to just show

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<v Speaker 1>them the moral implications of what they're what they're dot.

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<v Speaker 1>And so in a way, I feel like, even even

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<v Speaker 1>with the second impeachment trial and all that kind of stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the Democrats should have been saying, how can

0:49:19.760 --> 0:49:22.680
<v Speaker 1>we get more power? Yeah? And so I think the

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<v Speaker 1>part of the helplessness on the Democratic side. Um, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just tell you this because nobody else knows this, but

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<v Speaker 1>the book I'm writing now is how the Democrats lost

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<v Speaker 1>the gun debate. Like, that's the book I'm writing now.

0:49:33.680 --> 0:49:36.440
<v Speaker 1>It's I just signed a contract for it. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>exactly that we're talking about today, which is we had

0:49:39.680 --> 0:49:41.840
<v Speaker 1>everything on our side, how did we lose? How do

0:49:41.920 --> 0:49:45.279
<v Speaker 1>we lose the gun debate? And it's part of this

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<v Speaker 1>thing that we had a theory of We had a

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<v Speaker 1>moral imperative, we had incredibly important human tragedy, but we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have a theory of power, and we lost to

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<v Speaker 1>a side that had a theory of power. Brilliant doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Metzel coming back at us with a bang, return

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<v Speaker 1>to woke a f put me in a hotel any day,

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<v Speaker 1>and like I'll just show you guys. God one would

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<v Speaker 1>have no idea that it's almost April. Jonathan As always,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much. We appreciate you and look forward

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<v Speaker 1>to continuing this conversation in the socials and next week

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<v Speaker 1>on Woke a f See you in the diverse. Everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>take care. That is it for me today, friends on

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<v Speaker 1>this Woke f AS always, Power to the people and

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<v Speaker 1>to all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke

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<v Speaker 1>as fuck.