1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with 2 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: there is so much breaking news that is happening this week, 4 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: it is hard to keep things straight. So I'm going 5 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: to try and do something a little bit different, which 6 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: is run through a countdown of things that literally happened 7 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: in the last twenty four to forty eight hours. So 8 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: here we go. Let's start from the top with the 9 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: fact the biggest of the pieces of breaking news, which 10 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: is that seven hours, over seven hours, four hundred and 11 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: fifty seven minutes of White House phone logs are somehow missing, erased, 12 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: lost on the day of the insurrection. I want you 13 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: to think about this because somebody had tweeted me and 14 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: I said, oh my god, what a wonderful way to 15 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 1: think about this. Imagine being on the job, whatever job 16 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 1: that is. Imagine that you are a blue collar as 17 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: the Republicans love to say, regular American worker, and you 18 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: happen to go dark, right, for over seven hours. That's 19 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: an entire workshift, right. Let's assume that we all work 20 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: for roughly eight to ten hours a day and you 21 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: go missing for over seven hours or people are trying 22 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: to call. There's just a gap in communication during this time. 23 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, you're also the manager of 24 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: said building that is on fire and no one can 25 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: find you. That is essentially what the National Archives when 26 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: they gave over the records up from the White House 27 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: on the day of the insurrection, what the one six 28 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: Commission has recognized and is being reported by the Washington 29 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 1: Post and now ever every major news outlet Donald Trump. 30 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: We know from the over five hundred interviews that the 31 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:19,399 Speaker 1: White House that the one six Commission House Investigation has 32 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: done over five hundred interviews that during that time everyone 33 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: who was in the vicinity of Donald Trump said that 34 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is on the phone. We know that he 35 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: talked to Kevin McCarthy. We've learned that he tried to 36 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: call Mitch McConnell. We know that he talked to Jim Jordan. 37 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: We know that he talked to Steve Bannon. We know 38 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: that there are a list of people that were in conversation, 39 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: whether for sixty seconds or ten minutes plus with Donald 40 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: Trump on the day of the insurrection. But there is 41 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: a huge fucking gap in the White House phone locks. 42 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: Now a couple of things can also be true at 43 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: the same time. First of all, the only reason that 44 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: a president of the United States wouldn't be using said 45 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: white house phone logs is because you are trying to 46 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: cover something up. The only reason why you would be 47 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: using other people's phones, as I'm probably assured that Donald 48 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: Trump has more than one cell phone, is because you 49 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: are trying not to be traced. That you don't want 50 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: your you know, big moment, right, your big insurrection moment 51 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: to be interrupted, so you just stay off White House lines. 52 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: That is not the action that is taken by somebody 53 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: who is innocent and somebody that doesn't know how to 54 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: operate as a criminal. Here's the things that we already 55 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: know to be true about Donald Trump. Donald Trump does 56 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: not use email, does not have email, doesn't use text messages, 57 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: doesn't write shit down. We even know from Ama Rosa 58 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: herself that one day she walked into the Oval office 59 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: and Donald Trump literally put a piece of paper in 60 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: his mouth. Innocent people don't do dubious shit like what 61 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 1: has been uncovered in Trump's White House. So here's the 62 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: fucking question, the million dollar question, the billion dollar question 63 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: that I've been asking since the insurrection on January six, 64 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, Where the fuck is Merrick Garland. Seriously, 65 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: at this stage of the game, you can no longer 66 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: tell me that things take time. You can no longer 67 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: tell me that the Department of Justice is actually putting 68 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: every bit of muscle necessary behind this investigation. You can't 69 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: because it's been over four hundred fucking days and we 70 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: have no word, not even a murmuring from inside the 71 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: Department of Justice other than people who work there that 72 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: are saying that they are frustrated with the inaction of 73 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: this age. So here's the thing, folks. We have a 74 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: case that was in New York that was supposed to 75 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: be overseen right by the Manhattan District Attorney, the new 76 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: Manhattan District Attorney, Alvin Bragg. In the course of the 77 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: last few months, we have had two of the leading 78 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: prosecutors in that investigation quit, and they quit outright because 79 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: there has been no movement with regard to interviews in 80 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 1: front of the grand jury that his predecessor Sidance had 81 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: put in place, a special grand jury to sit for 82 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: longer than normal juries, because the mountain of evidence that 83 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: they need to fucking go through is just that deep 84 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: and that high Alvin Bragg, however, says, oh, there's nothing 85 00:05:55,440 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: to see here, folks, Merritt Garland mountains of evidence that 86 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: has been put together by a House commission that has 87 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: absolutely no teeth. All they can do is investigate, right, 88 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: All they can do is investigate and then make recommendations. 89 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: It is up to the Department of Justice to actually 90 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:24,119 Speaker 1: offer up indictments, which, by the way, they have enough 91 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: fucking evidence to do, from Steve Bannon to Mark Meadows, 92 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: to fucking John Eastman to Donald Trump and to all 93 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: of the minions in between, and yet we have seen 94 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: absolutely nothing. But do you know what the other story is, 95 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: because there are many. Here's the other story. Thomas. Clarence 96 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas, who I always refer to because you know, 97 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: you can never trust a person with two first names, right, 98 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: you can't. So. Clarence Thomas's wife, Jinny Jinny was at 99 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: the insurrection. Genny funded buses for the insurrectionists. Clarence Thomas 100 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: was the soul, the soul dissenter on the decision to 101 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: provide access to Donald Trump's phone records. Clarence Thomas, let 102 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: me say that again, was the soul dissenter, not wanting 103 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: to release Donald Trump's phone records. Then we find out why, Oh, 104 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: because Genny Thomas had been in regular communication with Mark Meadows. 105 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: And so why do I say this? Let me bring 106 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: it full circle. Seven hours of White House phone logs 107 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: are empty. Mark Meadows was in deep communication with everybody 108 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: who was at the insurrection right as a as a participant, 109 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: or we're in the chamber hiding and fearing for their lives. 110 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: Why wouldn't Clarence Thomas want that information release? Oh, because 111 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: it would show that his wife's phone number would come 112 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: up on Mark meadows phone more than a couple of times. 113 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: And then you have yesterday, Senator Chuck Schumer, the majority 114 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: leader for the Senate, say just casually that Clarence Thomas 115 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: should recuse himself or should have recused himself, and maybe 116 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: there should be some type of ethics with the Supreme Court. Folks, 117 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: let me tell you something. My ability to have patience 118 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: anymore for accountability, for responsibility for an attempted coup to 119 00:08:55,760 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: overthrow our democracy is done. I am going to call 120 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: out every single fucking person until I no longer have 121 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: breath in my body for their ineptitude. Folks will say 122 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: to me, well, Danielle, What do you want Chuck Schumer 123 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: to do. It's not like he can remove Clarence Thomas 124 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: from the bench, No he can't. But do you know 125 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: what Democrats can fucking do? Wage a full on media 126 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: onslought on Clarence Thomas, applying the fucking pressure so that 127 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: Republicans are forced every time that there is a camera 128 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: in their fucking faces to be able right to state 129 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 1: to the American people why there should be no trouble 130 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 1: with the fact that literally Clarence Thomas is literally in 131 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: bed with the fucking enemy, the enemy, the trees in 132 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: his enemy. Who was on the phone with Mark Meadows 133 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: saying this is how Donald Trump stays in office. You're 134 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: telling me that a woman who is the wife of 135 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: a sitting Supreme Court justice doesn't know how the fucking 136 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: constitution works, doesn't know electoral politics. Oh you want to 137 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: tell me that they're they're a Switzerland that is in 138 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: their house and she Clarence Thomas is completely neutral to 139 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: the fact that his wife was at the rally. Because 140 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: here's the thing, folks, they don't even give a fuck 141 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: about perception. You know why, because Democrats never lean into 142 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: how things look, and that all you need to do 143 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: is what Donald Trump did with his accusations of fraud 144 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty election, which is planned to fucking seed. 145 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: Oh seems like there was fraud. Remember Donald Trump said, 146 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: right on the phone with Secretary of State in Georgia, 147 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: Brad rath Nsberger, find me eleven thousand, seven hundred and 148 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: thirty some odd votes. I'll handle the rest. I got 149 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: my folks in place, I got this covered. What the 150 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: fuck do you think that Donald Trump was doing for 151 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: four hundred and fifty seven minutes, right, Donald Trump was 152 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: sitting in the White House orchestrating the coup that was 153 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: playing out on national television. But Republicans want to turn 154 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: around and even a sitting here's my other story, sitting 155 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: federal judge appointed by Donald Trump, Judge McFadden, said this 156 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: about insurrectionist that, oh, if they were a non violent 157 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: they shouldn't see any fucking jail time. And equating what 158 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: we saw on January six, twenty twenty one, to the 159 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: protest against the killing of George Floyd and consistent and 160 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 1: unrelenting police brutality, how can you look at these two 161 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 1: fucking situations and say these two things are the same bitch, 162 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: what are you looking at? But this is who Mitch 163 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: McConnell and Donald Trump put on over three hundred federal 164 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: courts around the country. But again, no media pushed by 165 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: Democrats to bring the world's attention to what the fuck 166 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: is happening in the United States Supreme Court, in the 167 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 1: United States Congress, and what was happening on the day 168 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: of January sixth. It's oh, nothing to see here, folks. 169 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you this. You know, there is 170 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: just so much that is happening. There is just so 171 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: much that is at stake, and I want to say this. 172 00:12:51,600 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: So in New York magazine, Alexandriocstio Cortez was interviewed, and 173 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: I want to read you what she said in this article, right, 174 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: and the article is entitled AOC's warning for Democrats, We're 175 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: in trouble. My other big story. What she says here, 176 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: I want it on a billboard, I want it on 177 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: every TikTok, I want it on every fucking reel. But 178 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: it won't happen because, you know what, it's not a 179 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 1: slap that took place at the Oscars that we can 180 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: all talk about for two and three and four days 181 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: but not the fact that we literally have active sitting 182 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 1: justices and active members of Congress that are bitch slapping 183 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: our democracy up and down, and no one gives a shit. 184 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: This is what Alexandrio Cassio Cortez said about Democrats and 185 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: said about the midterms that are coming up in a 186 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: few months. Quote a younger member of Congress, the first 187 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: vote I ever cast was for Barack Obama, who was 188 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: called a socialist, and all of this stuff, all of 189 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: this rhetoric that we see today, has been the political 190 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: reality my entire life, and so I never felt a 191 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: nostalgia for something that never existed in my lifetime. I 192 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: feel like our politics has fundamentally changed, whether it's for 193 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: the better or for the worst. It's for people's determination. 194 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: But I was never under the illusion that we can 195 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: bring mansion along. And this is what she is referring to, 196 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: because Ocasio Cortez, according to this article and facts, was 197 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: one of only six Democrats that voted against Biden's one 198 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: point two trillion dollar infrastructure bill last November, and the 199 00:14:54,680 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: reason was because the larger bill, right, the bill back 200 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: better the people's the human infrastructure component was going to 201 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: be split off right and they said, oh, let us 202 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: pass the actual infrastructure that then we can tout as 203 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: bipartisan as if people give a fuck, and then we'll 204 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: come back for the BBB portion later on. And then 205 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: what happened. Joe Mansion and Kursten Cinema right renamed as 206 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: they always do, they smile to your face and stab 207 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: you in your back, and oh, Cassio Cortez is just like, 208 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: do we not understand the same person? And what she 209 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: says in this article so very plainly is that she's like, 210 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: I want to trust that the President of the United 211 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: States knew what he was doing, but this doesn't feel right, 212 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: and it didn't feel right. Here's her quote quote. I 213 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: have the utmost respect and confidence in the president, but 214 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: I just felt like we called two different plays on 215 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: this one. I think that there is a sense among 216 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: more senior members of Congress who have been around in 217 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: different political times that we can get back to this 218 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: time of buddy buddy and backslapping and we'll cut a 219 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: deal and go into a room with some bourbon and 220 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: some smoke, and you'll come out and work something out. 221 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: I think there's a real nostalgia and believe that the 222 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: time this time still exists, or that we can get 223 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: back to it. Folks, how many times have you heard 224 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: me say the very same thing on woke af that 225 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: Joe Biden went into the presidency with this sense of nostalgia. 226 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: He went into the presidency and clearly let go of 227 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 1: the eight years in which he was vice president and 228 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: watch the hostility right play out against Barack Obama then 229 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: President Barack Obama. And I believe that Joe Biden thought 230 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: to himself, well, you know, it really isn't about race, 231 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: you know, and they're calling him a Muslim, but it 232 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: really isn't about xenophobia or or Islamophobia. It really is 233 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: the fact that you know, he was an outsider, right, 234 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: and I know these guys. I've you know, played games 235 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: with these guys and attended dinners and birthday parties, and 236 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 1: so I'm one of the good old boys. And so 237 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: when they see my old ass, white face, that they 238 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: will see some comfort and they'll come to the table 239 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: because we're cut from the same cloth. And you see, folks, 240 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: it's that kind of thinking that made Joe Biden my 241 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: fifth choice for president. My fifth choice for president because 242 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: I knew, I knew and felt exactly what Ocasio Cortez 243 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: stated in this article, It was the belief that I'm 244 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: one of the good old white boys, and all we 245 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: need is a couple of bourbons and a cigar, and 246 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: we'll get this country back on track like we always have, 247 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: not at all recognizing that our body politic had been 248 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: forever changed, that it was already changing when he was 249 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: vice president, and that Donald Trump and the Trump administration 250 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: wiped out any ever possibility, any little strand of hope 251 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: that the Republicans of yesteryear were gonna fucking return. So 252 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: when he saw the very same people that he used 253 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: to sit bourbon with decide that they were going to 254 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 1: vote against the certification of his election win, and then 255 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:20,479 Speaker 1: he saw the same onslaught of lies right, and then 256 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: he saw the Capitol Building in a plum of smoke, 257 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: you would think that Joe Biden would have shook off 258 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: his desire for yesteryear and had his ass blasted into 259 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: the present fucking moment. But alas, here we are. Here, 260 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: we are with nada, nothing, zilch, zero to offer the 261 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: American people as to why Democrats need to remain in power. 262 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: Because here's the thing, Democrats are not making any type 263 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: of push to hold Donald Trump accountable. They want to 264 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: move on to issues that quote unquote the American people 265 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: care about. Do you know what the fuck the American 266 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: people care about having a government that isn't corrupt Because 267 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: the questions that I keep asking about Marrick Garland, about 268 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: the Alvin Braggs of the world right, is that they 269 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 1: all take money from the same fucking people, both Republican 270 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: and Democratic donors. And I'm saying to myself, self, why 271 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: isn't their rigorous investigation because I believe that these motherfuckers 272 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: are bought and sold. But instead of anybody doing any 273 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: deep dive investigation into whether or not, oh, I don't 274 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: know that a sitting Supreme Court justice members partner decided 275 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: to fund insurrectionists instead of going into see like who 276 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 1: exactly was funding Alvin Bragg's campaign and what decisions did 277 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: he make about slow walking the Trump investigation. And after 278 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 1: literally years of work that has been done to build 279 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: a criminal case, an airtight criminal case against the man 280 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: who has been on a thirty plus year fucking crime 281 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: spree in this state, let alone the four year crime 282 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 1: spree that he did nationally. So you look at this, folks, 283 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: you look at this and I think to myself, like, 284 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,959 Speaker 1: where is the energy? Why is there such a lack 285 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: of focus? Why is there such a lack of grit 286 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: and pursuit of justice above all else right now? And 287 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: the only thing that I can think of, the only 288 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: thing that makes sense is that money is entangled in 289 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: this because there's no other and you can't you shit like, Oh, 290 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 1: the country's been through enough, right because this is the 291 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: type of talking points that both sides want to offer up. 292 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: Oh the country has been through enough. The American people 293 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: want to turn the page, turn the page on to 294 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: what authoritarianism? American fascism? What are we turning the page too, 295 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: We're turning the page to the focus on preserving democracy 296 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: overseas while ours is under attack. Why would people decide 297 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 1: to vote for Democrats when Joe Biden stands up and 298 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: refers to the people that want that believe that he's 299 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: an illegitimate president as his friend. So if you're not 300 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 1: making it very clear who the fuck the enemy is, 301 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 1: then how are you getting people to vote for you? 302 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: And why would they show up? Here's what else Okasi 303 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: or Cortez offers in this interview in New York magazine quote. 304 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 1: If the president does pursue and start to govern decisively 305 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 1: using executive action and other tools at his disposal, at 306 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 1: his disposal, I think we're in the game. But she says, 307 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: if we decide to just kind of sit back for 308 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 1: the rest of the year and not change people's lives, yeah, 309 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 1: I do think we're in trouble. So I don't think 310 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: that it's set in stone. I think that we can 311 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: determine our destiny. Here. Here's the thing I do disagree 312 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: with Ocasio Cortez here, I do believe that it's set 313 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: in stone. I don't think that Democrats in charge, in 314 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: power in this administration are going to do or offer 315 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: a fucking thing. They're not going to offer a rebuke 316 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 1: of the Republican Party turned into white nationalist party. They're 317 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: not going to offer right to the use of executive 318 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: action because they have this fifty fifty split that ain't 319 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: shit can get done. So they're not going to cancel 320 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: student loan debt. They're not going to do shit on 321 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: climate change, they're not going to do anything on police 322 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: or form. But get this, even though we know that 323 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: executive orders can be rolled back, Joe Biden has until 324 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, so he could be providing clear relief 325 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: and leadership in this moment, even if it is just 326 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: to use as a campaign motivator to get people to 327 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: want to go to the polls in November and then 328 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: again in twenty twenty four. And this is why my 329 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: upcoming conversation with our friend doctor Jonathan Metzel today is 330 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: so important because Jonathan and I get into a conversation 331 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: that really got me, and it is this, the Democratic 332 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: Party does not understand power. They don't understand how to 333 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: get power, they don't understand how to hold power. And 334 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: when Jonathan begins to unpack what he believes are the 335 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 1: reasons why, and I want to say this, we can't 336 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: just say and rest on our laurels that, oh well, 337 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: it's easier to sell hate, like, oh well, it's easier, 338 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: And Jonathan will say this to be united when you 339 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 1: were a monolith. Because here's the thing, and my pushback 340 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: is that if saving our democracy is not the unifying message, 341 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: then what the fuck are Democrats running on? That's really 342 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: the question, because you don't have to be focused on 343 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: all of these other issues because the reality is is 344 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: that if we don't preserve our democracy. Then it doesn't 345 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: matter what is happening with climate change, It doesn't matter 346 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: what is going on with police reform. It doesn't matter 347 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: that women and people with uterusis are about to lose 348 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 1: abortion access when the final decision is made in June 349 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 1: about Rovie Wade and the Mississippi case. None of that matters. 350 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: If we don't have free and fair elections, None of 351 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: that matters if we have lost faith and the integrity 352 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: within our governmental agencies. So we can talk about all 353 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 1: of these other issues until we're blue in the face, 354 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 1: But if the fundamental, the foundation of it all, which 355 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 1: is our democracy, government formed by the people, is not protected, 356 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: then nothing else matters. And what is sad but so 357 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 1: very evident, is that Democrats are looking up in the 358 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: sky hoping for a miracle and one ain't coming. Because 359 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: the miracle right now would be them developing a spine, 360 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: would be them developing some type of warrior spirit that 361 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: has been absent, which leaves me wondering why I'm still 362 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: a Democrat. Do you know why you are still a Democrat? 363 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 1: Tell me in the comments section today, why we continue 364 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: to be a part of an activated in this party 365 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: that clearly has no path forward. We have a handful 366 00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: of months, folks, a handful of months. We'll be here 367 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: in the blink of an eye, and so will American fascism. 368 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 1: And I'm wondering which gets here first. Coming up next 369 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: my conversation with our friend doctor Jonathan Metzel. Folks, I 370 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: am back from vak as you know, and super excited 371 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: to be rejoined by my favorite Wednesday guest, doctor Jonathan metzol. 372 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: You know him and you love him as the author 373 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: of Dying of Whiteness, which apparently we are in fact 374 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: going to all die of in the next several months. 375 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how much more information we 376 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: need to see in front of us, Jonathan about the 377 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: direction that this country is headed in about its love 378 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: affair with white supremacy. So talk to us about what 379 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: you have been seeing and noticing, because I'm telling you again, 380 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: I don't know what your thoughts were when you wrote 381 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: Dying of Whiteness, Where where your mind was in terms 382 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: of how you were going to see the evolution of 383 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: essentially your thesis, the evolution of your book over the 384 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: last couple of years. So hello everybody. I'm in Ithaca, 385 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: New York today. I'm obviously wearing a turtleneck because it's 386 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: a blizzard out. It's literally snowing like crazy out my window, 387 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: and it's nineteen degrees and so it's end of days. 388 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: And if it's if I'm realizing, if it's end of days, 389 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: you want a comfortable turtleneck. So that's that's kind of 390 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: my strategy now. But I'm here actually giving I'm giving 391 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: the Krieger lecture that later this afternoon on the topic 392 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: of dying of whiteness, and they asked me to talk about, 393 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: you know, what's the lesson of my book you know 394 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: now a couple of years on. And it's pretty interesting, right, 395 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: because I wrote that book as a as a warning. Right. Initially, 396 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: I was doing research in I was doing research in 397 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: Kentucky and Tennessee and Missouri and Kansas, and I was 398 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: seeing people make decisions that were terrible for their own health, 399 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: like literally ending their own life, but they were leading 400 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: to a lot of power for the issue that they 401 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: care about, namely, keeping conservative white America on top, playing 402 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: a card of being a victim in order to a 403 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: sure power. And I tell a lot of stories in 404 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: that book about people who basically say, I realize I 405 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: could benefit by, you know, getting my own health insurance 406 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: or sending my kid to a better school. But to 407 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,719 Speaker 1: do that would mean to participate in pluralistic democracy, and 408 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,959 Speaker 1: instead I'm not going to do that, so that my 409 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: party basically people laying their lives down on the line. 410 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: And so obviously those issues now are almost on steroids. 411 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I wrote the book. It came out in 412 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, twenty twenty as a warning like, let's not 413 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: do what Kansas and Missouri are doing. But instead what 414 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: used to be called the Southern strategy whip up white 415 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: racial resentment, is now a national strategy. And so the 416 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: talk I'm going to be give today is basically, what's 417 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: the lesson? Like how did these crazy politics, who seemingly 418 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: self defeating, fascist politics, how did they get to the 419 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: position they are now, which is that they take over 420 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: the you know, the country. They've taken over the Supreme Court. 421 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: Poor Justice Thomas has his wife sneaking around behind his 422 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: back when he doesn't even know it or he would 423 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: ruse himself. So the politics have taken over the entire country, 424 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: and the question is how did we get here? And 425 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: on one hand, I think it's easy to say and 426 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: I think it's right that right racial resentment is so 427 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: deep in this country that any moment that there's the 428 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: promise of any kind of equality is going to take over. 429 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: But I would also say that the other lesson of 430 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: the book that I'm going to talk about is how Republicans, 431 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: you know, during the Obama presidency, were worried that they 432 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: were literally getting wiped off the map, and so they 433 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: didn't just play to white racial resentment. What they also 434 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: did is they mobilized at local levels. They took over 435 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: school boards, they took over county commissioner's office, election offices. 436 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: They really they became a very formidable voting block as 437 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: a result of people who really cared almost more than 438 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: their own well being. And what they did is they 439 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: basically took over They used local power to take over 440 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: courthouses and judges and work their way up. And so 441 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: the other part of this isn't just about condemning whiteness. 442 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: It's also to recognize that we got here because, to 443 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: be frank, Republicans were better than us at playing the 444 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: political game in terms of seating the power of you know, 445 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: they noticed they basically realized that the power was in judges, 446 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: and they did what it took in a way to 447 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: get there. And so I'm saying that because the other 448 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: part of my talk today is a challenge for Democrats, 449 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: which is we better get mobilized. You know, even though 450 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,959 Speaker 1: everything is it gets us, and we mobilized like crazy, 451 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: but I think for us it's kind of like a 452 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: lot of us feel like we mobilized for the presidential 453 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: election and where did it get us? But the Republicans 454 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: would say, we mobilized for the school board and the 455 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: election and the county commissioner, and we built our way 456 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,239 Speaker 1: from the ground. App we didn't think, oh, because we 457 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: won a presidential election and we didn't get what we wanted, 458 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: we were going to stop mobilizing. You know, Jonathan, so 459 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: many things that you bring up, and I want to 460 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: go to the beginning where you said that the Southern 461 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: strategy has now turned into a national strategy, and I 462 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: want to dig into that a bit because as we 463 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: continue to get news right, and you brought up Jinny Thomas, 464 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: which should be front page news, but instead we continue 465 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: to focus on, you know, the flap that happened at 466 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: the Oscars, and you know, and the entertainment value thereof 467 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: and the debate thereof with regard to, you know, acts 468 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: of violence, but we don't actually continue to talk about 469 00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: the act of violence that proceeded the the desire to 470 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: halt an election and then bring down our country, the 471 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: act of violence being the insurrection, right, and the enablers 472 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 1: of that being a spouse of a sitting Supreme Court 473 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: justice who was the sole person to vote no on 474 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: Trump being able to Trump needing to release his phone records. 475 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: And now we understand why, right, because they were back 476 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: and forth text messages between his wife and Mark Meadows, 477 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: chief of staff to Donald Trump. And so the question 478 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: that I have about white resentment is that for a 479 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: party that value who, for a party whose value right, 480 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: whose value base is logic, how is it that we 481 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: are supposed to battle against something that isn't steeped in logic, 482 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: which is white resentment? Because for me, when I think 483 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,919 Speaker 1: about it, I'm like, what the fuck do white people 484 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 1: have to be resentful about? Right? Like, that's that's what 485 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 1: that's where my energy goes. And you know, forgive me, 486 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: because I have lost all ability to like be gracious anymore, 487 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: given like where we are and the fact that there 488 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: is no fire under the ass of Democrats. There is 489 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: no strategy that you continue to bring to light things 490 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: that I'm wondering, is there a war room in the 491 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,240 Speaker 1: White House anymore that isn't just focused on what's happening abroad? 492 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: And so how do you how do you profess that 493 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 1: we battle this growing cancer of white resentment that has 494 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: moved from a southern strategy to a national one when 495 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:48,280 Speaker 1: we base as Democrats, our fight it with logic and racism, 496 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 1: isn't logical? Well, look at look at what's happening now. 497 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's a perfect, perfect example. The 498 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: Republicans lost the election, right, they clearly lost election, and 499 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: they knew they lost. Selection Trump knows he lost the election, 500 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: but instead of saying like, oh gosh, we tried really 501 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: hardly lost or something like that, he came up with 502 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:15,879 Speaker 1: this all encompassing, totally bullshit narrative. And the narrative he knows. 503 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: I mean, he's been told a million times and he 504 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,439 Speaker 1: damn well knows he lost the election. But that wasn't 505 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 1: the point. The point was how can I mobilize my 506 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 1: base and keep them engaged and keep them enraged to 507 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 1: the point where losing an election comes at a cost, 508 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: so at a moment of weakness the Republicans, at least 509 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 1: in their own party base. And I'm not saying this 510 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 1: because I agree with it. I completely don't agree with it, 511 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: but I don't just want to note what happened. They 512 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: use that as a way to mobilize, right, They use 513 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: that as a way to say, we were wronged, we 514 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: were ripped off, and they created i mean, Trump for 515 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 1: all of his you know, horribleness is he's an evil 516 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: genius about like coming up with that narrative that will 517 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: whip everybody up, you know, critical race theory or this 518 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: kind of thing. He's you know, And so the issue is, 519 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,319 Speaker 1: the minute he started saying, oh, we were ripped off, 520 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: it became you know, obviously it played into white greevents, 521 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: It played into victimization, it played into lost wages of whiteness, 522 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: all these you know, historical narratives. But what happened was 523 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 1: what did they do when that when that happened, Well, 524 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 1: they turned around and it became a rallying cry to 525 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: run for every position that was a lever of power. 526 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: And so twenty twenty two in the election, it's not 527 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: just an election about the control of the Senate, it's 528 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: it's elect It's an election about every you know, every 529 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: school board across the country, every every um, you know, 530 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,240 Speaker 1: election official, the people who decide all, who counts the ballots, 531 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 1: all those kinds of things. And so they turned a 532 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: loss into a massive mobilization that is, I think, to 533 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 1: be honest, acutely aware of how power works in this country. Right. 534 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying that because I agree with it, 535 00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,839 Speaker 1: m but but the Democrats again and are saying, we 536 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,319 Speaker 1: won the federal we won, we won the presidency, and 537 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,240 Speaker 1: what's the president doing for us? The Republicans are turning 538 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: a loss into a recognition of how power works at 539 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: multiple levels in this country. So I just would go 540 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: back to say, and I'm obviously a very liberal Democrat, 541 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: but I do have to say studying Republicans that they 542 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,879 Speaker 1: understand how power works, and they're doing it from They're 543 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: doing it from the top down. And so I would say, 544 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: how come there's not massive mobilization of the Democrats, not 545 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: just by Biden they bide administration, but for every single 546 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,360 Speaker 1: local office across the country, Like, that's where we should 547 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 1: be mobilizing, because that's that's where the that's where the 548 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: you know, that's where the the afterlife of this insurrection 549 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:53,400 Speaker 1: is happening in local elections. So let's pretend we're all stupid, right, Um, No, 550 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,400 Speaker 1: I mean I'm stupid. No, no, No, Let's let's pretend 551 00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 1: that we have no idea how power works, because Democrats 552 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 1: clearly don't know. What is it that Republicans have figured 553 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 1: out that democrats in power are currently ignoring. So what 554 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 1: is it? What are what is their understanding of power 555 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 1: versus the democrats understanding of power? Well, I think the 556 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 1: Republicans have pretty I mean, let's just be honest. It's 557 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,319 Speaker 1: easier to have a unified theory of power if your 558 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,359 Speaker 1: party is monolithic. And it's easier to have that if 559 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 1: you're if the common common narrative that joins your party 560 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 1: is um, you know, almost a libertarian engagement with business, 561 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: hands off my privilege, that kind of stuff, and a 562 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 1: sense that you're being done wrong by immigrants, minorities. That 563 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: that that's the gift that keeps giving because you can 564 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,920 Speaker 1: tell one one story about your party that just keeps 565 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 1: getting amplified and enhanced. And the Democrats, of course, are 566 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 1: a coalition of many different agendas, many different people, many 567 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:10,800 Speaker 1: different regions, and so the Democrats don't have that luxury. 568 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,239 Speaker 1: So there is something inherent about the Republican Party that 569 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 1: makes it easier to do what it's doing. But I 570 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 1: would also say that the Republican Party has very correctly 571 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: diagnosed where the power lies in the American political system. 572 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,360 Speaker 1: It's not I mean, the president of course wields a 573 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 1: lot of power, but ultimately, if you control the courts, 574 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,879 Speaker 1: as we've talked about nine billion times on here, then 575 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,920 Speaker 1: you control many of the major decisions. And how do 576 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,360 Speaker 1: you gain control of the courts while you gain control 577 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 1: of the state apparatus? And so for all that talk 578 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 1: about states rights and all that kind of stuff, the Republicans, 579 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I see it in the South very well. 580 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 1: The Republicans have such a stranglehold on the slates of 581 00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,840 Speaker 1: every kind of election. And I would just say the minute, 582 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,359 Speaker 1: the minute the insurrection happened, I mean, I know it's 583 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 1: important to like get to the bottom of it and 584 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: try it and bring you know, truth and light and 585 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:11,319 Speaker 1: justice into the open um. But I would also say 586 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,440 Speaker 1: that the Democrats the day the election was over, should 587 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:19,400 Speaker 1: have mobilized a massive national campaign of people running for 588 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 1: local elections. The you know, I mean, where's our national 589 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 1: coalition of you know, zillions of dollars into people running 590 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 1: for comptroller and attorney general. Yeah, but here's my but here. 591 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,279 Speaker 1: I'm just going to push back just a little bit 592 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 1: because I think that I agree with the I agree 593 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,279 Speaker 1: with the your framing, but I want to push back 594 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 1: a bit because it isn't Republicans at the national level 595 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:48,000 Speaker 1: that are running these school boards and running it's the 596 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,400 Speaker 1: it's the local ones. And so why do you think 597 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 1: that local democrats right right, are not because we can't 598 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 1: Because here's the thing, right, everything that you're saying is right, 599 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 1: Democrats in and of themselves are patent breaking their arms, 600 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 1: patting themselves on the back because we have the White House, 601 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,360 Speaker 1: we have and we have Congress, which shows us to 602 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,800 Speaker 1: be completely and totally ineffectual. Right like we where where 603 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,279 Speaker 1: is the progress that we that we voted in in 604 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 1: twenty twenty and supposedly have these levers of power? And 605 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,759 Speaker 1: so I guess what is it that you think that 606 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:32,239 Speaker 1: the Democrats at the local levels in these you know, 607 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:38,720 Speaker 1: really battleground states and places are not getting that Republicans are. 608 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,200 Speaker 1: I see it in Tennessee. I mean the stuff that's 609 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,920 Speaker 1: happening in Tennessee is just it's just mind boggling in 610 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,560 Speaker 1: a way. But but they're so I mean, and I 611 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,880 Speaker 1: don't know how representative Tennessee is. I mean, I do 612 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,319 Speaker 1: feel like it's pretty representative. But I mean, the Republicans 613 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:59,319 Speaker 1: are coming in with sponsors, slates of ideas, you know, 614 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,320 Speaker 1: this kind of thing. I mean, there's so much support 615 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:07,279 Speaker 1: for just local GOP level elections, and it is I 616 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,000 Speaker 1: think coordinated in a national way through national organizations and 617 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 1: things like that. But there's so much mobilization to win 618 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,279 Speaker 1: local elections that comes from the top down and from 619 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,319 Speaker 1: the bottom up. And I think that you know, I 620 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,400 Speaker 1: don't know, I mean, it's it's I mean, if you 621 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,440 Speaker 1: look on Twitter, I follow all the Democrats in the 622 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 1: Tennessee State, for say House for example, they're just crying 623 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:34,799 Speaker 1: out for help, honestly, and partially it's like there's so 624 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 1: many tidal waves coming at us at once in a 625 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,160 Speaker 1: certain kind of way. But I do feel like the 626 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 1: Democratic Party suffers from a lack of central organization in 627 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 1: a certain kind of way. And the other part is 628 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,360 Speaker 1: kind of what's what's the narrative if the other facide 629 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,560 Speaker 1: is running on a politics of white grievance. How do 630 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:59,640 Speaker 1: you combat that in a certain kind of way, And 631 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,200 Speaker 1: so I think the Democrats need to think about who's 632 00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 1: in their coalition. Basically, what I'm saying is local democrats 633 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,120 Speaker 1: need much much more help, and there needs to be 634 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,919 Speaker 1: much more coordination, and there needs to be much more 635 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,000 Speaker 1: of a kind of and I just feel like there 636 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 1: need to be more national organizations that help people in 637 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,640 Speaker 1: red states run for office, because what we're seeing is 638 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,080 Speaker 1: is fracture. And I think the other really important point. 639 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,680 Speaker 1: We have a great congressman, Jim Cooper, his district got 640 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 1: his district got jerrymandered, and so he's now out of office. 641 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:39,480 Speaker 1: It became three Republican districts from one Democratic district, and 642 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,560 Speaker 1: so again it all goes back to who controls the judges. 643 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,880 Speaker 1: But there is one point, and I realize I'm rambling 644 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,799 Speaker 1: on a little bit here, but the one point is 645 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,200 Speaker 1: the Democrats were very not unified. It's been the case 646 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,720 Speaker 1: for every election. We've got progressives and Centrists going after 647 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,440 Speaker 1: each other. And in fact, before Jim Cooper got unseated 648 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:07,560 Speaker 1: by jerrymandering, the National Progressive Organization was trying to unseat 649 00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,000 Speaker 1: him because he was an incumbent and things like that, 650 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,759 Speaker 1: and so Democrats also, I think we're just we're very 651 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,720 Speaker 1: far from unified in a way that I think leads 652 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 1: to some bad hour comes, at least in Tennessee. I 653 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:26,399 Speaker 1: you know, I guess I'm I'm so confused, right, And 654 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,839 Speaker 1: here's here's what I'm confused by. I thought that as 655 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:36,880 Speaker 1: a nation collectively watching our capital building in a plume 656 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:44,000 Speaker 1: of smoke, literally seeing a physical assault on our democracy 657 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,520 Speaker 1: unfold in real time, would have been the only unifying 658 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:53,759 Speaker 1: message that we needed that everything that we had hold dear, 659 00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,920 Speaker 1: everything that we pledge allegiance to, everything that we wave 660 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:02,880 Speaker 1: a flag about on the fourth of Lie is under attack, 661 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,960 Speaker 1: and that the only unifying message would be we can't 662 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:11,240 Speaker 1: have that happen. We can't have our democracy fall. Because 663 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,440 Speaker 1: for those people who want to tell me that this 664 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,520 Speaker 1: administration can't walk, skip and chew gum at the same 665 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,319 Speaker 1: fucking time, because we are fighting a nuclear you know, 666 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,880 Speaker 1: a potential nuclear attack in Europe, so we can't put 667 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:30,080 Speaker 1: eyes on the domestic terrorism that is unfolding in outside 668 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,719 Speaker 1: of our front doors. That we can't handle both those 669 00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,760 Speaker 1: things at one time. I'm confused about what they think 670 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:40,919 Speaker 1: will happen when America falls and there is no unification 671 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:46,160 Speaker 1: around democracy. Right, and we've already saw over four years 672 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:50,600 Speaker 1: of Donald Trump. What a political vacuum and leadership? What 673 00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:55,520 Speaker 1: would happen? Right? And so you would think, Jonathan, wouldn't 674 00:46:55,600 --> 00:47:00,000 Speaker 1: that wouldn't what we saw in January six, twenty twenty one. 675 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,239 Speaker 1: Wouldn't that have been our unifying message? And what is 676 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:09,479 Speaker 1: it you think that Democrats missed in that moment and 677 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,840 Speaker 1: and and the proceeding and the following moments. Yeah, I 678 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,480 Speaker 1: mean I'm going to turn that question around, which is 679 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,920 Speaker 1: to say, look at what the Republicans have done with 680 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,640 Speaker 1: this horrible moment, right, Look at what the Republicans have 681 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,279 Speaker 1: done with the insurrection. Right. They've used this moment of 682 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,960 Speaker 1: it's a moment of profound shame. Right, but look at 683 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,799 Speaker 1: what they've done. They've turned it on its head and 684 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,600 Speaker 1: they've used it as they would They didn't say, oh 685 00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,279 Speaker 1: my god, look how we got here. They're using this, 686 00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:43,600 Speaker 1: They're using the symbol of that insurrection to further enhance 687 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:48,120 Speaker 1: and solidify their own power in a certain kind of way. So, Um, 688 00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,480 Speaker 1: we've said it a lot on this show. The Republicans 689 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,520 Speaker 1: have a theory of power and the Democrats have a 690 00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,680 Speaker 1: theory of Maybe justice would would be a way to 691 00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,640 Speaker 1: think about it, you know, something like we have a 692 00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:08,120 Speaker 1: theory of something. Um. But I will say, okay, that 693 00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,040 Speaker 1: was a viral moment there. I mean, I guess my 694 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:12,960 Speaker 1: point is we don't have a theory of power. I 695 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,640 Speaker 1: don't know, I'm trying to I'm trying to be nice 696 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,160 Speaker 1: about it. We don't have a Democrat like. So basically 697 00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,879 Speaker 1: Republicans have a theory of power which I just wrote down, 698 00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:25,080 Speaker 1: and Democrats have dot dot dot. I don't know what 699 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,680 Speaker 1: it is. We have excellent stationary or something. We have 700 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,840 Speaker 1: to have something. But my point is they turn everything 701 00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,279 Speaker 1: into power, right, I mean, think about it. And so 702 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,680 Speaker 1: in addition to condemning the insurrection and all these things, 703 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,799 Speaker 1: look at what they've done. They've taken the insurrection and 704 00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:45,120 Speaker 1: they've noticed how to get more power, and then they've 705 00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:49,080 Speaker 1: done it. And so again it's it's like watching Voldemort 706 00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,880 Speaker 1: at work. Um. It's not like I'm saying, you know, 707 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,160 Speaker 1: I want to be that or anything. But I would 708 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,640 Speaker 1: say that when we were fighting an opponent, a political 709 00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:04,520 Speaker 1: opponent who has a very developed fascistic, monolithic theory of power. 710 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,320 Speaker 1: The answer is not going to be to just show 711 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,879 Speaker 1: them the moral implications of what they're what they're dot. 712 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,759 Speaker 1: And so in a way, I feel like, even even 713 00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,560 Speaker 1: with the second impeachment trial and all that kind of stuff, 714 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,719 Speaker 1: I think the Democrats should have been saying, how can 715 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,680 Speaker 1: we get more power? Yeah? And so I think the 716 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,239 Speaker 1: part of the helplessness on the Democratic side. Um, I'll 717 00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,600 Speaker 1: just tell you this because nobody else knows this, but 718 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,560 Speaker 1: the book I'm writing now is how the Democrats lost 719 00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,560 Speaker 1: the gun debate. Like, that's the book I'm writing now. 720 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,440 Speaker 1: It's I just signed a contract for it. But it's 721 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,640 Speaker 1: exactly that we're talking about today, which is we had 722 00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,840 Speaker 1: everything on our side, how did we lose? How do 723 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,279 Speaker 1: we lose the gun debate? And it's part of this 724 00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,160 Speaker 1: thing that we had a theory of We had a 725 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:53,400 Speaker 1: moral imperative, we had incredibly important human tragedy, but we 726 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,480 Speaker 1: didn't have a theory of power, and we lost to 727 00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:00,279 Speaker 1: a side that had a theory of power. Brilliant doctor 728 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,440 Speaker 1: Jonathan Metzel coming back at us with a bang, return 729 00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:09,160 Speaker 1: to woke a f put me in a hotel any day, 730 00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:17,080 Speaker 1: and like I'll just show you guys. God one would 731 00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:21,040 Speaker 1: have no idea that it's almost April. Jonathan As always, 732 00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,879 Speaker 1: thank you so much. We appreciate you and look forward 733 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,760 Speaker 1: to continuing this conversation in the socials and next week 734 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,760 Speaker 1: on Woke a f See you in the diverse. Everybody, 735 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:38,960 Speaker 1: take care. That is it for me today, friends on 736 00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:43,520 Speaker 1: this Woke f AS always, Power to the people and 737 00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:47,320 Speaker 1: to all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke 738 00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:47,759 Speaker 1: as fuck.