1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Folks, We've got a heck of a classic episode for 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: you today. If you are a long time fellow conspiracy realists, 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: then you know that we love all things UFOs. We 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: also love a little bit of hidden history, and today 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: we're coming to you with a story about UFOs from 6 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: ancient Japan Utsuro Brune. Yeah, it's easy to think the 7 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: UFO phenomenon is like sort of an American thing, you know, 8 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: with the area fifty one and all of that. And 9 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: and that's partially because you know, we live in the 10 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: United States, so maybe I'm speaking from within that very bubble. 11 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: But in fact, there are other places around the world 12 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: that have very similar reports of UFO sightings, and today 13 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: is about one of those stories that you might not 14 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: know about. From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. 15 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back 16 00:00:53,360 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 1: now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Ye, hello, 17 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: and welcome back to the show. My name is Matt 18 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: Noel is with us in spirit and they call me Ben. 19 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: We are joined by our super producer Tristan. Of course 20 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: you are you, and that makes this stuff they don't 21 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: want you to know. Never fear our compatriot will be 22 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: returning physically as well as one would presume is spiritually. 23 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: In a later episode, Matt, We've got something pretty interesting 24 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: for you today. Oh yes, yeah, everybody out there listening. 25 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: This is something that I am just learning about. Ben. 26 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: I think you had seen this before in whispers on 27 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: the internet and in books, but it's it's a fascinating 28 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: happening that occurs way back in the eight hundreds, that 29 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: maybe an encounter with an another species, another civilization, right, 30 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: you've heard of this before. We have often over the 31 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: course of the show explored aliens and inexplicable history. We 32 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: found numerous examples of just weird, weird stuff, allegations of 33 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: lost technology, entire loss civilizations, and of course, at some point, 34 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: what's that guy's named George Slucos close the ancient aliens 35 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: at some point aliens, extraterrestrials or allegations thereof. We do 36 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: want to point out that we and the world at 37 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: large has found no universally agreed solid proof of any 38 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: sort of alien encounter. Begrudgingly true, but we have seen 39 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: some incredibly strange stuff. Nonetheless, and as much as it 40 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,119 Speaker 1: may irk humanity to admit this, we may well never 41 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: know the full story behind some historical accounts and events. 42 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: It's true a lot of times it's written down once 43 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: by one person, and we can find that. But that's 44 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: all we have to go on. And we do know 45 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: that at various times, quote unquote, historical accounts have been anecdotal, 46 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: heavily biased, written with some sort of strange agenda in mind, 47 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: or entirely made up and passed off as the real thing. 48 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: You have to make make the whims of some king 49 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: or some you know. Could be a monarchy, it could 50 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: be just a government. It could be a single influential person. Hey, 51 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: increasingly it could be a corporation. Right, what happens when 52 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: they write the textbooks? I know? An episode perhaps for 53 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: another day, But we point this out because we want 54 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: to thank all of the historians in the audience who 55 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: are probably, as we speak, going nuts over figuring out 56 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: some detail that other people have overlooked, us interpreted, or 57 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: even purposefully uh mischaracterized, or even you armchair historians out 58 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: there who are just scouring the web on your own time. 59 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: The work you do is important and you know nobody 60 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: else is doing it, So thank you, right and history 61 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: our understanding of history is nowhere near as clear cut 62 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:26,679 Speaker 1: and uh concrete as some people would have us believe. 63 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: And then also, you know, this sort of confusion persists 64 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: in the modern day. We're not so different from the 65 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: earlier examples of our species. So today we're looking at 66 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: one such account of strange historical account. We'll call it 67 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,679 Speaker 1: the legend of the Utsuru Bune. And before we dive 68 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: in here, we want to be crystal clear with this. 69 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: Uh you don't speak Japanese, I am unaware if I do, okay, 70 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: and I will also be surprised if I start speaking 71 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: to happening. We're saying this because, um, we do want 72 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: to be respectful to different cultures. And if there are 73 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: any mispronunciations or mischaracterized Americanisms that sweep in in regards 74 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: to our accents, then we hope that it's still close 75 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: enough to get the gist. Yeah, and let us know 76 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: if we do make any mistakes like that, you can 77 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: reach us Jonathan dot Strickland at how stuff works dot com. 78 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: We have we welcome all feedback. Our complaint department is 79 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: open twenty four hours a day, seven days a week. 80 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 1: So we're diving in, or better yet, we're floating ashore 81 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 1: to Japan and the dawn of the nineteen century. Our 82 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: story is called we set it at the top with 83 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: suro bune, but you may also see it online somewhere 84 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: assuro fun a with an f or uro bun, a 85 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: kind of putting them together, and it refers to this 86 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: object a ship of sorts that allegedly washed ashore in 87 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: eighteen zero three eighteen o three uh in Hitachi Province 88 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: on that that's on the eastern coast of Japan, and 89 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: it's located near where modern day Tokyo is, not quite 90 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,559 Speaker 1: but near there, which will we will explore that part 91 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: of the story in a little bit further depth. Accounts 92 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: of this tale appear in multiple texts. Three of the 93 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: most popular examples are also from the early to mid 94 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: nineteen century. So there's one called the Towan show Setsu, 95 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: which translates to Tales from the Rabbit Garden, published in 96 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: eighteen twenty five. This has the most detailed account or 97 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: detailed anecdote, and there are similar stories similar enough that 98 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: we we pretty much know their retellings of the same 99 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: thing from a work called Diaries and Stories of Castaways 100 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: in eighteen thirty five and dust of the Apricot in 101 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: eighteen forty four. So what happens, Well, well, immediately right 102 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: here we have to point out at the top, as 103 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: we've been talking about history and things being written down, 104 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: we're twenty two years they're the recording of this is 105 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: twenty two years after the alleged event, which is already 106 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: a little suspect, but perhaps it was um it was 107 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: more of a story told by word of mouth. That 108 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: kind of thing wasn't necessarily recorded in any history this happening, 109 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: But just keep that in mind as we go through here. Right, So, 110 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: according to the legend of utsuro Bune, there was this 111 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: young woman, she was attractive. She arrived on a beach 112 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: aboard this thing that they referred to as a hollow 113 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: ship because they had no words to describe it, this thing. Yeah, 114 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: and there were there were local fishermen who who brought 115 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: her inland. They wanted to know what the what the 116 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: heck is going on here, and they found that she 117 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: was unable to communicate with these guys because she spoke 118 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 1: some other language that they were unfamiliar with. And and 119 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: the fishermen ended up returning her to this ship, this 120 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: hollow ship that they found her in and then they 121 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: pushed her back out to sea, and according to the legend, 122 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: it drifted away. That's the gist, and it sounds like 123 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: they are a couple of Yeah, there's some styling on it. Yes, 124 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: excellent summation, Matt. We can already tell it sounds like 125 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: there are a few things that have been glossed over 126 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: in this story. Oh for sure. That's definitely the crib 127 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: notes version. When you see it written down like that, 128 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: and we have some images here of the ship. Do 129 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: you want to get into that now where we can 130 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: come back to that later. Let's yeah, we can. We 131 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: can go into it now. So, as we said February three, 132 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: that's when these local fishermen see this ship drift in 133 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: the water, they tow it to land and they take 134 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: measurements of it. So they find that it is almost 135 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: eleven feet high three point three meters and almost eighteen 136 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: feet wide five point four or five meters, and to 137 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: be more exact, it's ten point eight three feet high 138 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: and seventeen point eight eight feet wide. That's kind of weird. 139 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: Why do we have such apparently specific measurements? Were there 140 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: is because the these measurements and meters and feet are 141 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: conversions from the measurement system that the Japanese community was 142 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: using at the time. So what may have been a 143 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: more rounded number or approximation in their original measurement system, 144 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: when converted to the measurement systems we use today, it's 145 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: gonna come out. It's gonna come out wonky. Was like, 146 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: the important part of this description is not that they 147 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: were measuring in feet and meters. You know, they weren't. 148 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: They weren't going. Okay, that's seventeen point eight seven. Somebody 149 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: put your thumb. Somebody put your thumb on the on 150 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: the tape, hold it, hold it down. And now the 151 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: shape of this thing specifically reminded a lot of the 152 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: witnesses of something that they knew of that they saw 153 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: in their everyday lives as part of ritual um and 154 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: it was an incense burner, a type of incense burn 155 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: This specific rounded shape of the boat. Yeah, that's the 156 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: other thing. This this is not a box. It has 157 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: like a it has a dome top to it sorts. 158 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: It's a little bit wider at the top than it 159 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: is at the base, almost like similar to a cupcake shape. 160 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: That's you know, that's kind of what I'm seeing too, 161 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: but the bottom is almost more pointed in this weird 162 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: way like a ship would be, where the weight is 163 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: meant to be at the center of it, right, and 164 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: then water displacement occurs as you moved to the outer edges. Right. Yeah, 165 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: So it seems like it could have been meant to 166 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: float like an actual boat, and from the surface this 167 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: would have looked like a floating disc or a bubble 168 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: like floating on the surface of the water, which has 169 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: led many people more on the fringe conjecture side of 170 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: stuff to ask themselves if this was a U s 171 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: oh perhaps, which is something you turned me onto a 172 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: long time ago unidentified sub merged object. But in this 173 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: case it would be a U. It would be a UFO, 174 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: but it would be a floating right right right right, uh, 175 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: And as long as it's not a sinking object. And 176 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: just because there are some artist depictions of this that 177 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: you can find online if you take a look at them. 178 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: In my mind, just when I glance at it, it 179 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: looks like some kind of escape capsule or maybe from 180 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: an early spaceship or an early rocket that let's say 181 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 1: NASA would have sent up um the module that comes 182 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 1: down and returns to Earth. That's what it looks like 183 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: to make some sort of re entry exactly. Well, we 184 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: do know a little bit more about the craft itself 185 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: or the ship. The upper part of the vessel appeared 186 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: to be made of a red coated rosewood, while the 187 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: lower part was covered with plates, brazen plates that people 188 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: conjectured were meant to protect it from sharp edged rocks 189 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: so it wouldn't pierce the ship and compromise its ability 190 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: to function, because it didn't seem to have any kind 191 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: of control system, like it's just kind of floating there 192 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: in the ocean and you never know what you're gonna 193 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: run into. And the upper part allegedly had several windows 194 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: made of glass or crystal, covered with bars and clogged 195 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: with an unidentified resin that they believe came from a tree. 196 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: The windows, however, were completely transparent, and this is important 197 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: because the fishermen looked through the windows and that's when 198 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: they saw not only the occupant of the vessel, which 199 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: will will get to in a moment, but also they 200 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 1: saw texts written in an unknown language decorating the interior 201 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: of the ship. And there's so many questions that go 202 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: through my mind when you start thinking about why would 203 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: there be texts inside the vehicle, and we will get 204 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 1: into that a little later as well. But they also 205 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: found other stuff in there. There were bed sheets, so 206 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: apparently the occupant was, you know, sleeping in this thing, 207 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: or at least would have been sleeping in this thing. 208 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: There was a bottle with some water in it, quite 209 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: a lot of according to legend, it was three point 210 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: six leaders. And we get back into that the whole measurement. Um, 211 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: there was even some cake and some meat that was prepared. 212 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 1: So we know that these we know that these witnesses 213 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: were able to identify items of sustenance, right food and water. 214 00:13:55,679 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: And then also betting on the woman that they saw 215 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: inside the ship. They supposed that she was eighteen to 216 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: twenty years old. She was said to be about a 217 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: little bit less than five ft tall four point nine 218 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: two ft or one point five. She had red hair 219 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: and red eyebrows, which was very unusual. Right, her hair 220 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: was elongated by artificial white extensions. So let me check 221 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: with you guys that this doesn't that seem a little 222 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: weird because all of a sudden we've makes an appearance 223 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: in this Yeah three, um, you know, I can't say 224 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: that I'm any kind of experts on the hairstylings of 225 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds, not a hair story, and no, not 226 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: a hair story. But that does seem a bit odd, 227 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: especially considering they were trying to figure out what they 228 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: were made out of in the stories, and it was 229 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: written down that perhaps they were made out of some 230 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: kind of fur um or some kind of powdered textile, 231 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: like just some strange substance that was elongating her hair. 232 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: And then they go on to say, and you'll read 233 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: this and multiple accounts and other videos on the subject 234 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: that you can find out there on the net, this 235 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: hairstyle cannot be found in any literature. Whatever that means. 236 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: I don't think that's I'm not so amazed by that, 237 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Because it's a big world. 238 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: There's a lot of different hairstyles that don't show up 239 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: in magazines or are you know, have illustrations from the 240 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds. The lady's skin was a very pale, pink shade. 241 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: She wore long, smooth clothes of unknown fabrics, Okay, unknown fabrics. No, 242 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: And and here's where we would start asking, were we, 243 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: like investigative lawyers, were this a trial. This would be 244 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:58,359 Speaker 1: the part where the defendants story breaks down. The witnesses 245 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: say that the woman began speak, no one understood her. 246 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: She did not seem to understand the fisherman either, so 247 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: no one could ask about her origin. Although she appeared 248 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: friendly and courteous, she acted strange and she was always 249 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: holding a pale box a little bit less than two 250 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: inches in size. She would not allow anyone to touch 251 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: the box. The fisherman disassembled, apparently disassembled the ship, and 252 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: then they started conjecturing, and they started asking themselves, who 253 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: is this person? What is this person doing? Is this 254 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: a person? And will explore that as well right now 255 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: in this episode after a word from our sponsor, and 256 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: we're back, then I have to go. Let's I'm doing 257 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: the minus ten seconds thing on my I've pad right now, 258 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: going back. So I want to get to a group 259 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: of local fishermen on the coast of Japan meeting someone 260 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: who they can't understand the language, and there's no immediate 261 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: translator there for whatever language is being spoke. Doesn't it 262 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: seem like maybe it could be a traveler from any 263 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: number of other places, Burbank, I don't know so much 264 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 1: from Burbank gotnership. Well, that would be that would end up, 265 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: of course being a time travelers. Well, you have to 266 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: imagine there are a lot there are a lot of 267 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: places that someone floating in a ship that doesn't have 268 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: any kind of controls could be coming from. However, it 269 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,479 Speaker 1: seems like it would have had to be a short 270 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: journey in order to survive in that thing, unless it 271 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 1: was packed full of food and water. Anyway. We can 272 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: get into more of that later, but I just I'm 273 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 1: just imagining a bunch of local fishermen not being able 274 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: to understand many languages. I know if I was one 275 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: of those fishermen and I only spoke Japanese. Mm hmm, 276 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: that's it. I can't understand anything you're saying to me. 277 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Sure, yeah, But there's also a situation where 278 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 1: you would think through hand gestures, right or or drawing, 279 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: some communications should be possible to to, yeah, have some 280 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: sort of two way communication. I don't know, have you 281 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: ever been in a situation where you're talking to someone 282 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: who doesn't have a common language with you? Absolutely? Yeah, yeah, 283 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: And a lot of it, you're right, can be solved 284 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: in those ways. I I wonder if there was any 285 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: kind of panic going on because of the somewhat mysterious 286 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: situation everybody was in. Maybe that led to even less 287 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: communication being available. When so that's a I mean, that's 288 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: a really that's a really good point. And we are 289 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 1: probably never going to know what this person was saying. 290 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they're not from Burbank. But other than that, 291 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: we don't we don't know what they said. We do, however, 292 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: have in these accounts, we have people who claimed to 293 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: be eye witnesses. One was an older man from the 294 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: local village, and he thought he didn't think this is 295 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: some strange alien or extraterrestrial. He thought that this passenger 296 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: who was a princess, perhaps of a foreign realm, and 297 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: that she married in her homeland. But and this this 298 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: guy is, he's clearly got a future as a screenwriter. 299 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: It's going full back story, Yeah, full backstory. He says, 300 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 1: she's probably princess from fore in realm, and she married 301 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: in her homeland. But when she had an affair with 302 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 1: a townsman after the marriage, it caused scandal and the 303 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: lover was executed and the princess was banned from home. 304 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: I just have him. I just had this idea of 305 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: him doing it like a TV pitch. Sure, and the 306 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: princess right was banned from home, so she, uh, she 307 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: had to go, but they couldn't kill her because everybody 308 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: liked her and then she had a lot of sympathy 309 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: and she liked this big fan club, so they said, okay, 310 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: we're not gonna we're not gonna kill you. Um getting 311 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: this weird boat. Yeah, he was working, he was working 312 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 1: on script for a play that he was gonna be 313 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 1: putting on and man, he just went full on. So 314 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 1: under his account, if this were correct, then that box 315 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: would contain the head of her deceased lover. And here's 316 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 1: something else. So in the past, this wasn't the first 317 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: time this kind of trope turned up in the past, 318 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: a very similar object with a woman apparently washed ashore 319 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: on a close by beach, and this time there was 320 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: a not a box, but there was a small board 321 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: with a head pinned to it. Geez. So then again, 322 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: this person's conjecture is that the box would probably be 323 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: the same and that's why she protected it so fervently. 324 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 1: And there are other legends in Japan that have to 325 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: do is something kind of similar where there's a a 326 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: box that's given to a character, and the characters still 327 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 1: never to open the box. Right, And I'm sorry, I'm 328 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: not giving specifics because this is just from cursory reading, 329 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: but inside the box is something very special you're not 330 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: allowed to show anybody. When the character returns to his home, 331 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: he realizes that nobody around that he knows is there anymore, 332 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: and turns out it's been three hundred years since he 333 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: was last in his hometown, even though he doesn't think 334 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: it's been three hundred years, and he proceeds to open 335 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: the box, and inside the box was actually his age, 336 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: like his all the time that she saves him. Yeah, 337 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: that this god has saved him was actually inside the 338 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: box and he became an old man when he opened it. Right, Okay, 339 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 1: that's a new one to me. Another similar anecdote from 340 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: the folklore perspective of the forbidden access concept would be 341 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 1: the famous story was a Blackbeard? It was? It was 342 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: blue Beard, a pirate captain who would marry somebody or 343 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: who married a lady. And then he said, everything you 344 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: want is yours, just don't go in this one room ever, 345 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: And of course she goes in, and that's where he 346 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: has killed all the other women he married because he 347 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: told them not to go into the room. He's kind 348 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: of creating his own problem. I think in that pretty 349 00:22:55,880 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: sure that's what's happening. Yeah, but you know, I I 350 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: don't talk about in personal life too much, but I've 351 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: never been in a situation where I had a dead 352 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:11,959 Speaker 1: body room that I wouldn't let that. I just feel like, 353 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 1: if you have a room you don't want people to 354 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: go into, then you should just lock it and you 355 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: shouldn't point it out all the time, or I mean 356 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 1: clean up after yourself. That's only you know, that's a 357 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: good point. But this was also a different period in history. 358 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: You know, they didn't have like plastic tarps and yeah, 359 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: yeah soaked would wooden planks. But before we go too 360 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: far into folklore, let's take let's take a look at 361 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 1: the rest of the story. So, so the fisher folks 362 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: say it would take a lot of effort, essentially for 363 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: us to investigate this woman and figure out what's up 364 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: with their boat. We have a lot of fishing to do. 365 00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: You know, they thought maybe this was just a true issue, 366 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 1: that's some other group of people practiced. So they said, okay, 367 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: we'll just put this craft back together. We won't mess 368 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,959 Speaker 1: with your stuff, So we'll leave your water, we'll leave 369 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: your food, leave and will help push this thing back 370 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: out to the ocean and travels late view to your destiny. 371 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: And then the older man who's giving this account has 372 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 1: a great quotation here. From human sight, it might be cruel, 373 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: but it seems to be her predetermined destiny. That's a 374 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: that's kind of cold, but you know, I get it. 375 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 1: Maybe this is what she's meant to do, float around 376 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: until she finds the rightful place. So February eighteen o 377 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 1: three this happens, and eighteen oh three is not that 378 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 1: long ago. It's a little over two years, which in 379 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: the span of time is just like that, right. So 380 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: that's why you will sometimes hear people describe this as 381 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: the first quote unquote modern UFO citing let's look at 382 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: the analysis, all right, folklore folkloric similarities, um as. As 383 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: you know, I extensively mess around with folklore, and um 384 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: folks a lot, a lot of a lot of you 385 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: listening now also do extensive folklore research. Right. This stuff 386 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: is fascinating and it's great and one of the things 387 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: that we find in any kind of investigation of anecdotes 388 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: or legends. Is that aspects of stories are contagious and 389 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 1: they mixed together, right, especially when they cross cultures, Especially 390 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 1: when they cross cultures, and then they start to exist 391 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:01,360 Speaker 1: in a different framework. We men and before the stories 392 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 1: of fay or fairy abductions, right where they would take 393 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 1: a kid, a human child, a human jacket and replace 394 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 1: it with a change lean sort of like a sick baby. 395 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: This was this was kind of the d n A 396 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: of what would later become alien abduction stories. And of 397 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: course we're not saying that people who believe they have 398 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 1: been abducted by some kind of extraterrestrial entity or a 399 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: government agency or extra dimensional thing. We're not saying they 400 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: don't believe it. We're saying that the two types of 401 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: stories culturally have a lot in common. Yeah, there's a 402 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 1: precedent to the belief of being taken a lot, taken 403 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 1: away by something unknown or unseen, and then return. I 404 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 1: always wanted to long as a kid. One of my 405 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: favorite folklore stories was Rip van Winkle, Oh Sure, where 406 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: he falls asleep, time passes and he's playing these bowling 407 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: with the he he gets wasted one night. Any play 408 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 1: he goes bowling with it changes. Sometimes elves, sometimes their gnome. 409 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: Sometimes they're just sketchy mountain folk. They're like carneys, short 410 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:19,239 Speaker 1: corner carneys, bowling with carneys that I it sounds like 411 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: something I would watch, read or listen to. I I 412 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: don't you know. I'm not that great at bowling. It's 413 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: a curse. So you you might get tricked into betting 414 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 1: a little bit and then a little more. You know. 415 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: Oh wow, is that I I don't know. So that's 416 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: a that's a fascinating story. And that's what I was 417 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: thinking when you brought up the idea of someone losing 418 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: time finding their age. And those two stories most likely exist, 419 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: and we're created independently, sure, I mean they may have 420 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: mortality is a heck of a motivator, so that probably 421 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: separately inspired the authors of the stories. But for the 422 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: purposes of this exploration, what that means is that there 423 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: may be elements of the Utsuru Buni story that either 424 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: come from another earlier story or were later transmitted to something. 425 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 1: And then there's also we will be remiss if we 426 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 1: didn't say the UFO USO angle, right shore floating object, 427 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 1: flying objects, submerged object, UH pros and cons for it 428 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: being one of those types of objects. Okay, well, let's 429 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: start off with the ship being made largely out of wood. Yes, 430 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: that you know, traditionally not a space faring material, or 431 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: at least not a ideal space faring material. Okay, so 432 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: that's a con. I'll do some devil's advocacy here and 433 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: say a pro would be that they had never seen 434 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,959 Speaker 1: this type of craft before. Okay, yeah, that's that is 435 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: definitely up there. I know that the type of boat 436 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: was similar to something that they would be familiar with 437 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: with them rounded the no, the rounded bottom was a 438 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: boat shape that they would be used to, but the 439 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: top part was like completely out of the out of 440 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: the element, Like why would that be there? Um. Another 441 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: pro is the unusual appearance of the occupant, which to 442 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: them in this period would have probably would have been alien, 443 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: I mean not a not even alien extraterrestrial sense, just 444 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: a very very strange liking person. And if we want 445 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: to bridge kind of the folklore aspect and the UFO 446 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: USO aspect, we we look to some stuff having to 447 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: do with the Dragon, god of the sea reusion um. 448 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: And this is there's this place called the Dragon Palace Castle, 449 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: which is a translation, of course, that is at the 450 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: bottom of the sea where this god lives and he 451 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: has servants or the god has servants. There are let's see, 452 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: it's built out of solid crystal, which might bring in 453 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: you know what, they believed the windows to be created 454 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: out of um. And there are a lot of legends 455 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: about this place, and one of the legends has to 456 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: do with the inhabitants who had guess what, red hair 457 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: and pink skin. So it feels like maybe if you 458 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: see this and you know about these legends, you're aware 459 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: of Reugion and the denizens or excuse me, the inhabitants 460 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: of the palace under the sea, you may think, well, 461 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: maybe that's what this is. Maybe this is an emissary 462 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: from that realm, from that area, or you know, someone 463 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 1: trying to escape. Yeah, you know, and that that to 464 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: a great point because we know that having some pre 465 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: existing information, even if you're not, even if it's not 466 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: at the front of your mind, right, we know that 467 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: it it can be a very powerful priming influence. Yeah, 468 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: it's a lens that you end up seeing it or 469 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: even though you don't realize the lenses there Other ethnologists 470 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: and historians also took a look at this case um 471 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: often before it became kind of known in the West, 472 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: because you won't find a whole lot of information on 473 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: it in English. There are a lot of blogs. So 474 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: if you do speak Japanese speaking read Japanese, and you 475 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: have some Japanese sources that you would like to hit 476 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: us to, then please cinem our way um, give me 477 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: what you think the best translations are. I would love 478 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: to learn more about this. Here's what we have now 479 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: in various in various decades after this event February three, 480 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: uh other experts or scholars investigated this, and one fellow 481 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: named Yanagita Kunio really went deep. He went hard on 482 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,239 Speaker 1: the painting, and he emerged a little more skeptical. So 483 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: he points out that the circular boat shapes as as 484 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: you said, Matt, we're not unusual in Japan. They've been 485 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: around for a while. And he said that the really 486 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: weird stuff for people at this time would have been 487 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: windows made of glass and those brazen protective plates, so 488 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: they would make it look um sort of exotic to 489 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: the people. Would be like seeing a modern car in 490 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: the time when you know the model t is the 491 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: thing that you see rolling down the street, you know, 492 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: with with all of the glass products and other things, 493 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: and it would just be strange. You couldn't really understand 494 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: what you're looking at. Yeah, exactly exactly, and it would 495 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: be kind of a It would be close enough that 496 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: you would say that's some sort of car, and now 497 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: they're like, that's some sort of boat. He also points 498 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: out that the oldest versions of this, not necessarily the 499 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: most popular, but the oldest versions, according to Yanagita, describe humble, circular, 500 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: open log boats without any dome, and he argues that 501 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: these details, these plates, and these windows and stuff were 502 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: added afterwards because people would inevitably ask, how did this 503 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: logboat make it across the open sea? Oh, that's a 504 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: great question, especially an open logboat like that, susceptible to 505 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: any kind of weather, to waves. It's just it's going down. 506 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: But if it's enclosed, I guess it makes a lot 507 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: of sense. So in this way, it's almost like adding 508 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 1: on details, not necessarily to a lie, but to a story. 509 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 1: You know that you're making up as you go, and 510 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: you add more details to make it seem more credible. 511 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 1: Embellishing the high seas could be a dangerous place, and 512 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,720 Speaker 1: some of that may hinge on the shape of the boat, 513 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 1: because if you're imagining, you know, something more like a 514 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: lifeboat or a canoe, that would be that would probably 515 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: have a better chance because it's it's slightly better shape. 516 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 1: But no, this is just um a thing that's spherical 517 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: at the top and rounded at the bottom and bobbing along, 518 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: just moving where the ocean takes it. It's like bait 519 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: and tackle, you know. Strange. So Yanagita also points out 520 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: that most legends similar to that of the suro Bune 521 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: sound alike. Someone finds a strange person, almost always a 522 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 1: girl or young woman, inside a circular boat and either 523 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,839 Speaker 1: rescues them or sends them back to the ocean. Huh 524 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 1: tails oldest time this time? Oh? I was going to 525 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: break into song there, Um yeah, I mean there are 526 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 1: so many legends about that kind of thing, and you 527 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: can imagine the stories that mostly male sailors would make 528 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,800 Speaker 1: up while out on the high season. You're probably familiar 529 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: with a lot of them, you know. I'm glad you 530 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,879 Speaker 1: brought that up, Matt, because it reminds me of one 531 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: of the strangest what are the strangest cases of sailors 532 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 1: stories that are found out about is it safe for work? Yeah, 533 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: it is, Well, we'll tell this safe for work version. 534 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:55,919 Speaker 1: For a long time, since people were sailing the oceans, right, Uh, 535 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: there were always legends of sea monsters and of aquatic 536 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: creatures that were very close to people. Essentially Mr Folk 537 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 1: mermaids and sailors would talk about seeing mermaids from a 538 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: distance on the shore. I mean this goes back to 539 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: like Greco Roman stuff with sirens singing. Um. And then 540 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 1: the best guess that a couple of people have is 541 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: that they were manatees. That doesn't you know. That's the 542 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: thing that gets me. It's I keep thinking, how long 543 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: did these guys have to be out there on the 544 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: ocean to to think, uh, to mistake humanity for a person? 545 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: And this this misidentification, whether it was through you know, 546 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,319 Speaker 1: seeing a seal or manity or another creature that would 547 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 1: kind of like lounge out. I mean, I guess maybe 548 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: a walrus, but the tusk would probably make it hard 549 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: to mistake. I guess it depends on the distance. But um, 550 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,240 Speaker 1: you know, in a way, if these people were hoping 551 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 1: to see a human of some sort, that they were 552 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 1: always kind of primed to see it. And if people 553 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:21,399 Speaker 1: were familiar with these sorts of legends, then they would 554 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,399 Speaker 1: end up in the in the telling, especially if it's 555 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 1: oral recounting memories so treacherous, they might end up accidentally 556 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 1: adding details and somebody else misunderstands that add up into 557 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 1: something else. There were, Or if it's a great story 558 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 1: that you're retelling at a tavern somewhere, I mean, why 559 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 1: would you just say, oh, no, it was just a walrus. 560 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: That's no fun. I'm just saying, all of a sudden, 561 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it was a it was a 562 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 1: beautiful mermaid, and the person you found a drift in 563 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: this boat had hair extensions. I'm not discounting stories of 564 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 1: mr Folk. I'm just saying it's unlikely. That's all. The 565 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 1: ocean is a big place, and from our previous episodes, 566 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 1: we know that if there are any large undiscovered creatures today, 567 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,919 Speaker 1: they have the odds are highest that they would exist 568 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,359 Speaker 1: in the ocean. Right, so maybe they're there. I don't 569 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,320 Speaker 1: want to I don't want to ruin that for anybody, 570 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,840 Speaker 1: you know, but I do have to say they definitely 571 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: weren't um discovered by a certain channel on television in 572 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 1: a series called Mermaids can confirm that they absolutely were not. 573 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 1: And I would never play play ball with that notion. Um. 574 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: But I'm not going to act like I'm not gonna 575 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: go see aqua man. I'll check it out for sure. 576 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:45,279 Speaker 1: I've diverted us. The The point here is that there 577 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,239 Speaker 1: were other scholars who are taking vigorous looks at this. 578 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 1: One is named Dr Kazu Tanaka. Yes, this is a 579 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:59,240 Speaker 1: professor for computer and electronics engineering at a university in Tokyo. 580 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:04,879 Speaker 1: He investigated the original texts, the three texts that are 581 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: you can find now. They actually exist in real life 582 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: right now in museums. You can go and pick them up. Um. 583 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: And this he did this research and he's considering he's 584 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 1: really looking at the popular versions of UFO sightings, the 585 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 1: more modern ones that we can think about, and then 586 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:30,800 Speaker 1: comparing those to the two Bune event, let's say, or 587 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,879 Speaker 1: the retelling of it. And he he points out that 588 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,760 Speaker 1: these legends of bun a it never, it never flies, 589 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,319 Speaker 1: It never you know, drives, like we said, it has 590 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,800 Speaker 1: no control mechanisms, at least it's not recorded. It doesn't 591 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: show any signs of technology besides being a boat and 592 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:54,240 Speaker 1: maybe having some windows like extraordinary technology. Yeah, nothing beyond 593 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 1: what could be GPS, No lasers. No, Uh, what's that 594 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 1: thing in star Trek where it will just create any 595 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: food or beverage you desire? Oh, the it's the food machine. 596 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 1: I don't know what it's called. Or tricorder. They didn't, 597 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 1: she didn't have a tricorder with it, right, that's a 598 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,760 Speaker 1: good example. It just I mean this, this ship just drift. 599 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 1: It just drifted across the water. It drifted to the fisherman, 600 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:20,400 Speaker 1: or that it didn't even drift to them. They had 601 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: to go get it and reel it in and so uh. 602 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: Tanaka concluded that this tale was a mix of folklore 603 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:37,280 Speaker 1: and imagination. He also based his assumptions on Yanagita's earlier work. 604 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 1: He had one more Uh, he had a couple more 605 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 1: holes to poke in this story to will examine after 606 00:40:45,160 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor, and we're back that there's 607 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,879 Speaker 1: one big problem with this story. And it's a really 608 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,080 Speaker 1: big problem that as somebody from the United States just 609 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:13,800 Speaker 1: learning about this, I wouldn't have thought about unless somebody 610 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: like Dr Tanaka went through and actually examined it. And 611 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: that's the location of where this event purportedly happened. Yes, 612 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 1: According to Dr Tanaka, locations that have been referenced in 613 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:32,920 Speaker 1: various accounts of this are in fact fictitious. Uh. He 614 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 1: specifically points out Haa, Tona, Hama, and Hawa Yadori to 615 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 1: make the anecdote sound credible. He believes the author designated 616 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 1: the beaches as personal acreages of a local landowner named 617 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:54,440 Speaker 1: Ogasawa Nagashigi uh. And this this character did. This is 618 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,000 Speaker 1: a real person who did live during the Edo period, 619 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:02,439 Speaker 1: but his land was in the heartland, away from the water, right, 620 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,560 Speaker 1: and so it seems pretty definite, at least according Dr Tanaka, 621 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,320 Speaker 1: that this fellow never had any contact with the fishermen 622 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 1: on the Pacific coast. Uh. The Ogasawari clan served the 623 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 1: Tokugawa dynasty and they had power over most of northeastern 624 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:26,160 Speaker 1: Japan until eighteen sixty eight, and that's a long time 625 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:32,920 Speaker 1: after this occurred, right right, and there Um, their mainland 626 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 1: holdings were in the Hitashi province, and geographically that's very 627 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 1: close to Eastern beaches, and so Dr Tanaka found it 628 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:47,879 Speaker 1: very odd that such a strange incident could have occurred, 629 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,879 Speaker 1: and it wasn't commented upon in any official documents. Right, 630 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 1: you'd think so if something this strange and seemingly important 631 00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 1: occurred to an individual who's that close and aximity to 632 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 1: power occurred, you think it would be written down somewhere. 633 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,800 Speaker 1: Somebody somewhere is being told this, and they would go, Okay, 634 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 1: this strange thing happened. Perhaps there's some kind of invaders 635 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:15,360 Speaker 1: going on with this. It's at least worth documentary, right Yeah. 636 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:20,480 Speaker 1: And let's also keep in mind that this was during 637 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:27,280 Speaker 1: a period of isolation, national insolation, right where in Japan 638 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:34,280 Speaker 1: really limited um really limited a lot of international interactions, 639 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 1: so nearly all foreigners were barred from entering except in 640 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:43,799 Speaker 1: a very specific circumstances. The common resident of Japan, like 641 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,800 Speaker 1: the normal you know, Jane or John Doe of Japan 642 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,839 Speaker 1: like you and I, had very little chance of ever 643 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:56,120 Speaker 1: leaving the country. So this would have been beyond unusual, 644 00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:02,640 Speaker 1: right uh. And there is a remarkable incident that is 645 00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 1: documented that Dr Tanaka found and it happened in eighteen 646 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,960 Speaker 1: twenty four when a British whaler was stranded on the 647 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,319 Speaker 1: northeastern coast of the Hitachi district. Before you ask, no, 648 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,040 Speaker 1: he did not show up in a weird cupcake looking ship. Uh. 649 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,839 Speaker 1: Tanaka also found out that during the rulership of the 650 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:26,400 Speaker 1: Tokugawa clan, uh the Ogasawara family and the Tokugawa started 651 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:32,200 Speaker 1: mapping their territories. And this is important because the names 652 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:37,320 Speaker 1: of both of the beaches mentioned in the text are missing, 653 00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,640 Speaker 1: and they also do not appear on the maps of 654 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,000 Speaker 1: the whole of Japan, which came out in nineteen o seven. 655 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,000 Speaker 1: If the name of a village, a city, or a 656 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,359 Speaker 1: place had changed in history, this would have been noted, right. 657 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:58,200 Speaker 1: So because of this, Dr Tanaka thinks thinks that this 658 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 1: is probably just alleged and folklore, similar to um similar 659 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:09,120 Speaker 1: to the stories in modern urban legends, right, you know 660 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,160 Speaker 1: the nine one one trace the call, and the phone 661 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,759 Speaker 1: call was coming from inside the house, and it wasn't 662 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,279 Speaker 1: at this town, and it wasn't my first cousin, but 663 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,880 Speaker 1: it's someone that knows my first cousin and they live 664 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,360 Speaker 1: a few towns over. And there was a hook sticking 665 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,760 Speaker 1: out of the side of the driver window. Yeah, and 666 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,520 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it was a Pontiac. We the Pontiacs 667 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:35,480 Speaker 1: not around anymore. This happened to someone's older brother who 668 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,359 Speaker 1: went to a school a couple of districts away they think, yeah, 669 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,759 Speaker 1: there were a few grades above us. It's always just 670 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,840 Speaker 1: a little bit, a little bit too far to reach, 671 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,560 Speaker 1: and it's tantalizing lee possible. And let's go back into 672 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:54,240 Speaker 1: this account of the British whaler who got stranded. Uh. 673 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 1: The first accounting of this is recorded the next year 674 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,720 Speaker 1: in the first the first one, what was it called 675 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:07,120 Speaker 1: um Tales of the Rabbit Garden is when that is 676 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 1: officially written. So perhaps there's a little styling going on 677 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,759 Speaker 1: there of something an actual occurrence, and then you bring 678 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,279 Speaker 1: some folklore into it. I mean, that's as at least 679 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,440 Speaker 1: a great tale to put into your book called Tales 680 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,520 Speaker 1: from the Rabbit Garden. That's a good point. So we 681 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,279 Speaker 1: know there's an isolation is placed where this sort of 682 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,960 Speaker 1: incident would have been reported immediately, right. And also these uh, 683 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:36,680 Speaker 1: ethnologists and historians who look back at this later in 684 00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,480 Speaker 1: the modern day, they they pointed out something that really 685 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:46,160 Speaker 1: caught me, which is that originally aliens UFOs were not 686 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,680 Speaker 1: part of the conversation. Okay, there was there wasn't like 687 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:55,960 Speaker 1: a term for flying saucer, right, um so or extraterrestrial 688 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,400 Speaker 1: I guess there might be a term, but it wouldn't 689 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,080 Speaker 1: be applied the same way we use it today. A 690 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,760 Speaker 1: visitor of sorts but not like that. So they're saying 691 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:10,000 Speaker 1: that over time, the UFO thing got retro fitted onto it, 692 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:14,640 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. The particularly European appearance of 693 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:23,239 Speaker 1: the woman right uh, shades skin, red hair, uh, the 694 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,320 Speaker 1: upper part of the utsu bune, and the unknown writing 695 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:32,200 Speaker 1: right the language that the fisherman could not identify, lead 696 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:36,480 Speaker 1: both Tanaka and Yanagita to the conclusion that the entire 697 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:41,560 Speaker 1: story was based on this historical circumstance. Um people, if 698 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:46,800 Speaker 1: the of the period, were totally insulated from the outside world, 699 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:52,160 Speaker 1: so that this was more a tale reflecting xenophobic cultural attitudes, 700 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,560 Speaker 1: sort of the same way again that modern urban legends 701 00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:01,840 Speaker 1: reflect fears that are already in popular culture, right like 702 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:07,360 Speaker 1: in the nineties, the Satanic Panic, late eighties Satanic Panic 703 00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:12,000 Speaker 1: thing gripped the nation, and these people, every um, every 704 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:16,560 Speaker 1: region had some sort of tale of a secret occult 705 00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,960 Speaker 1: thing going on. And in some cases I'll go on 706 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,440 Speaker 1: record saying it, Yeah, in some cases they were probably true. 707 00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,200 Speaker 1: Not that like dark magic worked or anything, but there 708 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,359 Speaker 1: were people who conducted ritual murders. Yeah, and it may 709 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,960 Speaker 1: not have had anything to do with satan or anything 710 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:37,000 Speaker 1: like that. Right, it made it, But that stuff happened, 711 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,600 Speaker 1: it just didn't happen near as often, north widespread as 712 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,799 Speaker 1: people thought it did. But there's often a seed of 713 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,560 Speaker 1: truth in these sorts of stories. And if we look 714 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,800 Speaker 1: at it from a structural perspective, the construction of the story, 715 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,960 Speaker 1: it's ultimately like a lot of other legends itself explaining 716 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,040 Speaker 1: the woman disappeared, No one in what she said, the 717 00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:07,920 Speaker 1: boxes goes with her. Yeah, there's no artifact, there's no ship, nothing. 718 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,680 Speaker 1: And another thing which was new information to us is 719 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,640 Speaker 1: that the people of the period here apparently had great 720 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:24,040 Speaker 1: interest in paranormal things. Loved ghost stories, monster stories, bizarre events. 721 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:28,360 Speaker 1: So it wouldn't be surprising to find these stories of 722 00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,480 Speaker 1: the strange and inexplicable in these books. Yeah, those are 723 00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,680 Speaker 1: the best stories in my opinion. That's I think one 724 00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,040 Speaker 1: of the big reasons why you and I and Nol 725 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,799 Speaker 1: and Trystan are interested in these things, because it's so 726 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,919 Speaker 1: other and outside of anything we experience that you get 727 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:51,000 Speaker 1: to you live in that world where monsters exist and ghosts, 728 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,520 Speaker 1: you know, remain after the physical body leaves. I think 729 00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,919 Speaker 1: we're going to have to differ here, Matt, you don't 730 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,760 Speaker 1: want to live in though monsters do exist, I think, 731 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:10,200 Speaker 1: But like krakens, or are we talking about human monsters? 732 00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:15,200 Speaker 1: What kind of monsters are we talking about? Where wolves? 733 00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:20,799 Speaker 1: So when we bring it all back together, what areur conclusions? 734 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,719 Speaker 1: Could this be nothing more than a popular legend recited 735 00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,320 Speaker 1: over and over, changing a bit each time. It's pretty 736 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,120 Speaker 1: clear that in the years following the initial reports, a 737 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,800 Speaker 1: large portion of the population except that this is fact 738 00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:39,240 Speaker 1: believed something came ashore. But does that mean it actually happened? 739 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,759 Speaker 1: I mean, the fictitious locations are real obstacle here yea. 740 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:47,080 Speaker 1: And as far as Dr Tanaka looked into it, it 741 00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,840 Speaker 1: seems that those locations are Indeed, it's much more likely 742 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:56,120 Speaker 1: that those locations were fictitious rather than renamed. Yeah. For me, 743 00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:01,880 Speaker 1: it's more and more feeling like a version or a 744 00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:06,879 Speaker 1: retelling of an older story that had some new details 745 00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,040 Speaker 1: put into it. And I really, I really think you're 746 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:14,280 Speaker 1: well their analysis and then our going over the idea 747 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:18,120 Speaker 1: that perhaps it was a morphing. It was a morphing 748 00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:24,239 Speaker 1: of these these folklore tales dealing with the isolationism in 749 00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:28,160 Speaker 1: the area at the time in the eighteen when the 750 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:32,840 Speaker 1: story was written, and then later on kind of doing 751 00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,200 Speaker 1: the same thing, except for in more modern times in 752 00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:39,799 Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties, tales of alien spacecraft that were very 753 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:44,279 Speaker 1: popular then get morphed like this thing gets or they 754 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,400 Speaker 1: get pulled into this thing, right, So then it's just 755 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,560 Speaker 1: kind of just been changing over time little by little. 756 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,080 Speaker 1: But there there's some other questions, and I think we 757 00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,880 Speaker 1: can end on some questions here. How seaworthy would a 758 00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,240 Speaker 1: vessel like this actually be? As we said, no sales, 759 00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,560 Speaker 1: no steering equipment, no oars, etcetera. Where did it come from? 760 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,319 Speaker 1: Could it have come from Russia? Perhaps? If you look 761 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:13,040 Speaker 1: at some of the ocean currents around here, not around 762 00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,960 Speaker 1: here we're not right now, but around the land mass 763 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:21,000 Speaker 1: of Japan. You see here on the coast there's a 764 00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:27,040 Speaker 1: current that goes from sort of southwest to northeast along 765 00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,719 Speaker 1: the bottom and then later sort of the eastern part 766 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:34,320 Speaker 1: of Japan. But at the top there's a current in 767 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:39,320 Speaker 1: the northeast, there's a current that goes the exact opposite direction. 768 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,600 Speaker 1: So as these if you if you look at the 769 00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,560 Speaker 1: way these currents well swarm around, it looks like it's 770 00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:51,640 Speaker 1: possible that something with no steering could have drifted down. 771 00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,399 Speaker 1: But you know the best way to find that out 772 00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,960 Speaker 1: is to build one of these ships and put it 773 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,560 Speaker 1: out the water and see what happens. What are you 774 00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,960 Speaker 1: what are you doing? What are you doing this summer? 775 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,680 Speaker 1: I'm building around ship that has some brazen sides and 776 00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,239 Speaker 1: a couple of windows. But you know, the one last 777 00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,520 Speaker 1: thing we have to get into is is it possible 778 00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,640 Speaker 1: that there's something even crazier like the here's where it's 779 00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,719 Speaker 1: get it gets crazy moment? Like could this have been 780 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:30,640 Speaker 1: a person that was pulled out of time, perhaps out 781 00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,279 Speaker 1: of some other dimension, out of some other you know, 782 00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,360 Speaker 1: maybe a time when ships did look like that, or 783 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:41,160 Speaker 1: an alternate dimension. I know, that's you're getting into the weirdness. 784 00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:46,640 Speaker 1: I mean, probably not right, I especially because there's meat 785 00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:51,400 Speaker 1: and water, like some kind of container, water bedding, recognizable stuff. Yeah, 786 00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,759 Speaker 1: and oh yeah, and the language could have just been 787 00:53:54,640 --> 00:54:00,800 Speaker 1: cyrillic Russian. Sure, you know. And if there's nicely his policy, 788 00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:07,160 Speaker 1: then the chances of people knowing or even without like 789 00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:12,000 Speaker 1: speaking reading, just recognizing another written language and being able 790 00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,960 Speaker 1: to say, oh that's Russian, Oh that's French or something. 791 00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:22,160 Speaker 1: Those chances are pretty low. And the very last question, 792 00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,280 Speaker 1: the one that stuck with me. I don't know about you, Matt, 793 00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,480 Speaker 1: but the one that stuck with me, the one that 794 00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:34,880 Speaker 1: has our producer shrugging in uh, infuming and frustration. What 795 00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,000 Speaker 1: happened to the lady in the ship? What happened to 796 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,200 Speaker 1: the woman on the ship. Well, she went back down 797 00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,759 Speaker 1: to the dragon palace and you know she got she 798 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,600 Speaker 1: took a bunch of notes. She wrote them inside her ship. 799 00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,200 Speaker 1: That's what she was doing. That's why there's all the 800 00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,880 Speaker 1: writing there. And they were like, did you remember the box? 801 00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:57,280 Speaker 1: And she said definitely. The question is what was its function? 802 00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,080 Speaker 1: What was it doing? Maybe it was some kind of 803 00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:06,399 Speaker 1: sound recording device or a camera maybe yeah, maybe yeah, 804 00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,920 Speaker 1: maybe it was an a NES classic. If people are 805 00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,719 Speaker 1: getting doing weird stuff to you those that is that 806 00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,120 Speaker 1: how Nintendo? It was a brilliant marketing campaign that started 807 00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,479 Speaker 1: centuries ago, I know, for video games. I just found 808 00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,239 Speaker 1: out that they are making you know, cards in the 809 00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:26,399 Speaker 1: eight hundreds, which is pretty awesome. Nintendo, Good on you 810 00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:32,520 Speaker 1: for making that switch. Oh yeah, I didn't even expect 811 00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,759 Speaker 1: that one until it was nice. That's nice, and we 812 00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:40,160 Speaker 1: would like to hear your opinion about this, And additionally, 813 00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,480 Speaker 1: we would like to hear other historical anomalies that you 814 00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:48,560 Speaker 1: have found, because whether this is entirely a legend, whether 815 00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,680 Speaker 1: it's based in truth, whether it's something even weirder than 816 00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,399 Speaker 1: the various theories we explored today, we'd like to hear 817 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,520 Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, and you're part of the world. Did 818 00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,799 Speaker 1: a ship like this show up in a little bit 819 00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,759 Speaker 1: later in eighteen o two, eighteen o three, Maybe this, 820 00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,120 Speaker 1: you know, matches up somewhere else in the world where 821 00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:11,120 Speaker 1: it just floated to. Did your parents, grandparents or ancestors 822 00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:14,160 Speaker 1: meet when one of them washed ashore the mysterious craft? 823 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,000 Speaker 1: If so, have you taken a DNA test, we'd love 824 00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,440 Speaker 1: to hear about it, or just send us some d 825 00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,400 Speaker 1: n A and you know we'll take care of it. 826 00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:25,640 Speaker 1: Or you can write an email which reminds me it's 827 00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:31,879 Speaker 1: time for our chat at Corners. Our first shout out 828 00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,800 Speaker 1: comes from Sydney. Sidney says, Hi, guys, I was listening 829 00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:40,200 Speaker 1: to both episodes of your Serial Killers series. Loved them. 830 00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,120 Speaker 1: You said you might do a third one. I was 831 00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,880 Speaker 1: going to suggest maybe the West Mesa murders from Albuquerque, 832 00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,840 Speaker 1: New Mexico. I live here and people are still talking 833 00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,239 Speaker 1: about them pretty often. I don't know, check it out 834 00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,520 Speaker 1: if you want. Thanks for reading. Oh all right, Sydney, 835 00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,719 Speaker 1: I don't know much about that, Ben, are you aware 836 00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:02,120 Speaker 1: of these at all? This was absolutely news to me, 837 00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,840 Speaker 1: and I think we should do a third episode or 838 00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,480 Speaker 1: the installment of that series. So let us know if 839 00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,839 Speaker 1: we would like Matt Nolan I to uh to investigate 840 00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:15,319 Speaker 1: this in a future episode and send us just take 841 00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:20,320 Speaker 1: a page out of Sydney's book and send us your suggestions. Awesome, 842 00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:24,400 Speaker 1: Thank you for writing, Sydney. I'm glad that enjoy is 843 00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,200 Speaker 1: not the right word to use. I think we talked 844 00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:31,080 Speaker 1: about it in that episode. But there's something compelling and fascinating, 845 00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,640 Speaker 1: especially when you consider how many of these crimes occur 846 00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:39,680 Speaker 1: with relatively little fanfare outside of their region. I mean, 847 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:44,480 Speaker 1: the Highway of Tears was an active hunting ground for 848 00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:49,640 Speaker 1: how long decades And just to add a little bit 849 00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,480 Speaker 1: of mystery here to the end of it, I just 850 00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,080 Speaker 1: looked it up. Ben. In two thousand nine, the remains 851 00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:57,520 Speaker 1: of eleven women were found buried in the desert of 852 00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:01,760 Speaker 1: West Mesa, and no suspects have been arrested, and a 853 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,400 Speaker 1: serial killer is believed to be responsible. All right, we're 854 00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:09,480 Speaker 1: on the case. Our next our next shout out is 855 00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,640 Speaker 1: a little bit unusual. It's something that we we haven't 856 00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:16,000 Speaker 1: always done, ln It's something I'd like your help with, folks. 857 00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:20,560 Speaker 1: So I went on Twitter recently for a tangentially related 858 00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,720 Speaker 1: thing to ask a question, because I spent part of 859 00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:29,760 Speaker 1: an afternoon trying to figure out the proper plural of bigfoot? 860 00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:35,440 Speaker 1: Is it just big foot like sheep? Yeah, there are 861 00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,760 Speaker 1: there are several big foot and there are some sheep um? 862 00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,720 Speaker 1: Or is it big foots? Three big foots were on 863 00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:46,520 Speaker 1: the road that day? Or is it big feet? Man? 864 00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,520 Speaker 1: I don't even know how many big feet I was 865 00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:52,200 Speaker 1: here and walking around. These are great examples, Matt, this 866 00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,960 Speaker 1: is this is a gift. So we went on Twitter. 867 00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,680 Speaker 1: We asked about it, and we we got a lot 868 00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,840 Speaker 1: of responses. We're just read if you here. Oh man, 869 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:05,160 Speaker 1: Yawn has a great one. This is my favorite. All right, 870 00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,800 Speaker 1: what is it? John says, I believe it's like surgeons 871 00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:16,560 Speaker 1: and attorneys general bigg's foot um? All right? Uh? And 872 00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:20,240 Speaker 1: then Stephen Even says one big foot, more big foot 873 00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:24,640 Speaker 1: and big foot ist definitely. Kyle Sherman says, I wonder 874 00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:26,760 Speaker 1: if you can call a group of Bigfoot a trample 875 00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,240 Speaker 1: a trample of big foot? You can, now, but then 876 00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,560 Speaker 1: what do you You've gotta still say something for a 877 00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:37,200 Speaker 1: trample of big Foot's See, here's the thing, Okay, I 878 00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,840 Speaker 1: was thinking, I spent way too much time thinking about this. 879 00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:45,120 Speaker 1: You wouldn't say teeth brushes if you had two tooth brushes. 880 00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:50,920 Speaker 1: That's very true. So also, yeah, you're never brushing a 881 00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,960 Speaker 1: single tooth. Well, I guess sometimes you are due to circumstances. 882 00:59:55,040 --> 01:00:01,280 Speaker 1: But it's a teeth brush. It's a teeth brush. So 883 01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:05,520 Speaker 1: we also had a buddy friend of the show, Josh Clark, 884 01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:09,480 Speaker 1: chime in. Do you Clark? I know that guy. He 885 01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,120 Speaker 1: and I talked about the issues, the important issues at hand. 886 01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,680 Speaker 1: He voted for bigfoots really, which is sort of what 887 01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,320 Speaker 1: David Bakara I feel like David Bakara from our earlier 888 01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:24,440 Speaker 1: Bigfoot interview. He the ploys used was Bigfoot's. Well, do 889 01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:28,280 Speaker 1: right in and let us know. Because I still can't 890 01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,720 Speaker 1: let this go and it seems like there's not really 891 01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:35,200 Speaker 1: a consensus. We have time for one more shoutout Jeff 892 01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,760 Speaker 1: from Ontario, shout out to you, Jeff says, hey, guys, 893 01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,400 Speaker 1: I just listened to the Pyramids episode. I listened to 894 01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,360 Speaker 1: the whole thing wondering if you were going to mention 895 01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:47,280 Speaker 1: the pyramids on Mars. By the way, that is pyramids 896 01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,880 Speaker 1: on Mars. I'm kind of glad you didn't go there. 897 01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:54,280 Speaker 1: It would have cheapened the sincerity of the subject. We 898 01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:57,880 Speaker 1: did mention something that actually I kind of need to correct. 899 01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:02,120 Speaker 1: I said a monolith on one of the moons of Jupiter. 900 01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,720 Speaker 1: That is incorrect. It's on one of the more moons 901 01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:08,040 Speaker 1: of Mars. But we did mention that. Let's get back 902 01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,959 Speaker 1: in here. Jeff also writes you were right about skaed 903 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,000 Speaker 1: dooch proceeding Kung Fu Panda by quite a bit. I'm 904 01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:19,080 Speaker 1: a big Jabels fan and user of skadooche as sort 905 01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:22,440 Speaker 1: of an exclamation point, enough so that it was one 906 01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:26,360 Speaker 1: of my niece and nephew's first words, well, congratulations. It 907 01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,320 Speaker 1: brought them a ton of joy, and it was super 908 01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,920 Speaker 1: cute to see their smiles peek out as they struggle 909 01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:35,680 Speaker 1: to say it through their pacifiers. Thanks for the great show, Jeff, Well, 910 01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:39,960 Speaker 1: thank you, Jeff. You know, I think pyramids on any 911 01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:43,960 Speaker 1: other planet is just an awesome topic because if it 912 01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,320 Speaker 1: if we did find that, I mean the implications ben 913 01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:54,640 Speaker 1: right right. But again, going back to that episode, is 914 01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,760 Speaker 1: that a pyramid or is it just sort of a 915 01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:01,000 Speaker 1: pointy mountain? It's probably pointy rock, just like the one 916 01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:07,160 Speaker 1: that they've discovered. And yeah, and then also and this 917 01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:12,200 Speaker 1: will warm nles heart, will warm our colleagues heart to 918 01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:15,880 Speaker 1: hear your information about schedoos chaff. So thank you so 919 01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:22,960 Speaker 1: much writing. This concludes our gosh and that's the end 920 01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:26,400 Speaker 1: of this classic episode. If you have any thoughts or 921 01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:30,360 Speaker 1: questions about this episode, you can get into contact with 922 01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,480 Speaker 1: us in a number of different ways. 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