WEBVTT - Chasing Demons w/ Brett Gray 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:04.040 Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:06.840 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:10.320 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories, 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:31.480 done done. Hello, welcome to That's Messed Up an sv podcast. 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:33.680 My name is Lisa, I am a host of this show. 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:36.360 My name is Kara, and I'm the other host of 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:39.120 this show. And you guys hopefully know what we're doing. 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:39.680 But maybe you. 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:43.400 Decided to join at episode sixty six and you don't, 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:45.680 And so I'll tell you that. We talk about an 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:47.720 episode of Law and Order SVU, we talk about the 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:49.640 true crime it was based on, and then we interview 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:52.040 somebody awesome involved with the episode. 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:54.440 And yeah, and today is a sweet one. 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:58.600 Yeahday's really that might be a clue, but whatever, Yeah 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:01.280 it's Yeah, since it's you know, it's not Dean Winter, 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:04.000 So get your panty. Yeah, put your vibrators back in, 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:06.880 pack them up. Dean Winters is not here. 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:09.319 Yeah, that's what I wrote off for the caption on 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:11.160 the Instagram for the home mark I was like, it's 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:13.880 Cassidy heavy for all you mayhem horn dogs. 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:17.560 Well, I just yeah, if you guys know him, Please 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:19.880 help us get him. We cannot get him to do 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:21.360 this podcast. And obviously we. 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:22.560 Definitely want Cassidy. 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:24.119 If you've got the hookup, if you had a one 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:26.160 night stand with Cassidy. I don't know, he's probably married, 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:30.720 but just like let us know, Lisa, I have to 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:36.120 tell you today. I this morning, before seven am, I 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:39.920 got busted talking shit about somebody in a group chat 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:42.240 what I thought was a private one on one text, 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:43.640 and it was my own brother. 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:47.480 You talked about Colin, Yes. 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:49.240 And I know he listens to this podcast and he 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:51.520 and I've already apologized to him, and he was very 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:54.360 gracious and accepted my apology. It wasn't talking shit about him. 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:57.440 It was like, it's tough about his wedding. We're just 0:01:57.440 --> 0:01:59.520 trying to figure out, like Rosie's gonna be a flower girl. 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:00.560 I'm really I know. 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:03.360 I saw the post, but it didn't hit me what wedding. 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:05.360 I saw that Lerosi was gonna be a flower girl, 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:06.480 and I was like what where? 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:06.640 What? 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:10.160 Yeah? I fucking forgot Colin. 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:13.120 So my brother's getting married in September and all the 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:15.359 siblings are in the wedding, which is so cool, like 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:17.720 because you know, like tech. You know, he could have 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:20.079 just had a bunch of guy friends or whatever or girlfriends, 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:22.239 but he has. He's having his sisters in it too, 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:24.880 so that's cool. So we're all in it, and we're 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:26.800 all gonna wear black, and I was like, that's fine, 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:29.480 and then he was like so and I was like, 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:31.440 so what about the flower girls? Should they wear white 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:33.680 or like something to offset? And he was like, we 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:37.080 were thinking black also, and I was like, I like, just, 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:39.360 I for some reason hated that idea, and so I 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:42.280 was just so my brother Kevin, whose other daughter, whose 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:45.480 daughter is the other flower girl, he texted this morning, 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:47.920 first thing, doesn't all black gonna feel. 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:49.799 Like a funeral? And I go, oh, yeah, he's texting 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:50.640 just me because. 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:52.440 That's such a shit talk. But it was on the 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:55.520 sibling thread, so I wrote, yes, that's what I said, 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:57.480 and I think it's kind of insane and it's gonna 0:02:57.480 --> 0:02:58.000 look ugly. 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:01.040 And I was like going off about these fower girl dresses. 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:04.960 And then you just get that hit where you're like, fuck, 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:07.079 this is fully the group thread. 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:08.359 Colin is in there, Yeah. 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.840 But this is okay. I do like that it's about 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:12.480 flower girl dresses. 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:16.240 And oh, I'm not like I hate his fian Yeah, no, 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:18.320 I deeply love his fiance. 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:21.760 I well, I didn't love you know, I'll never forget that. 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:23.640 They both ordered duck when we went out to dinner, 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:25.320 and they're gonna have to work through that for the 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:26.239 rest of their lives. 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:33.040 Two duck orders. Yeah, but anyway, did you see the 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:34.160 three bubbles? No? 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:36.680 So he did it respond for hours and I side 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:37.320 texted him. 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:39.680 First of all, i'mso a doctor. He's busy. 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:42.040 Well, I wrote into the chat and I said, I'm 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:44.440 so sorry. I really thought that I was just talking. 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:46.360 I was just talking to Kevin on the side. I 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:48.160 thought I was talking to Kevin on the side. I'm sorry. 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:50.400 I'll do whatever you want. It's your wedding, you know. 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:52.680 And then I sigh texted him and I was like, 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:54.320 I'm really sorry. I thought I was just talking to 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:56.600 Kevin and we were talking shit. I apologize and he 0:03:56.800 --> 0:04:00.880 was like so cool, like Colin always is. He was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:02.640 he's like, honestly, I was thinking kind of the same 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:05.000 thing about the funeral thing. It's not a big deal, like, 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:06.920 and then I was like, still, I feel like I 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:08.720 was being a jerk, and He's like that's what siblings 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:11.560 are for, like really truly a prince, like just handled 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:13.560 it so well. But he didn't write me back for 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:15.920 like three hours, and I go, Colin, don't silent treatment 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:16.120 in me. 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:18.760 I can't take it, and he goes, I'm just busy. 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:21.400 Like he finally wrote me back and was like, you 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:23.480 need to calm down, Like I was busy and I'm 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:25.920 not silent treatment in you at all. So anyway, I 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:28.440 just you know that feeling where you're just like, fuck, 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:30.400 I sent this to the wrong person and totally very 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:32.919 low stakes, like like flower girl dresses. 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:34.640 What when you first? 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:37.200 I mean for all the people that we know mutually 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:40.200 when and all the group chats, I know that you're in. Yes, 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:43.560 the violence that could have been had, so to me, 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:46.599 it was like a relief. It's the bride'smaid's dress or 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:52.240 the flower like I am. I honestly was like yeah. 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:55.680 The things that were going through my head were, yeah, 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:57.800 you're right, you're right. I should have breakfast it with 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:01.040 like it's not what you think. But I also love 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:03.040 a child in a black dress. I think it's chic, 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:06.360 but who knows when she'll be a flower girl again? 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:08.240 Put her in a pink dress. Let us have our fancas. 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:13.200 Yeah, so he basically did Mortelle green like a gemstone 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:13.840 a pastel. 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:15.760 Why not, Well, that's what I said. He said, it's 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:17.240 a gay wedding. We're doing all black. 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:19.120 I mean I thought there'd be a pop of color, 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:22.120 you know, But he did say that the some of 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:23.560 the flowers are gonna be light pink. So I think 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:25.560 we're gonna go with light pink. It's honestly just hard 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:27.920 to find black. Like it's not even like I can't. 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:30.359 I could find something cute, it's just a little bit 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:33.440 hard to find. Well, and it's probably like Balenciaga, like yeah, 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:35.920 and Rosie, it's a lot of when it's black, it's 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:38.200 a lot of tool. And you fucking know Rosie she 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:42.080 will not wear poofy fairy princess shit. So I gotta 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:45.800 find something that's you know, yeah, that matches with her nikes. 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:49.520 Yeah, that's so true. She's totally gonna have to wear sneakers. 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:54.040 Okay, Wow, they could be glittery. No child fashion, you'll 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:56.640 go to Nordstrum. I forgot which baby this was. This 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:58.679 was years. This was like I was in high school 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:02.880 or college. But I bought someone Bloomingdale's child section sail 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:06.599 like a black chek Ralph Lauren child dress, and these 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:08.920 people went nuts. They were they were like, I've never 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:12.800 seen black for a child and I have remembered that 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:15.520 like energy, so it is chic. 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:19.200 But no, and like again this is like sort of 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:21.480 more of like one of those weddings that's like at 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:23.720 a barn, and like we're all staying on the property. 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:27.440 It's like it is I just I worry about a photo. 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:30.039 We have a huge family. His fiance has a huge family. 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:32.840 Like a photo of just all black and then two 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:35.600 little girls like also in black, Like I was like 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:38.360 they could be a little accent, you know, like color. 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:41.880 No, that is great. We also did have some drama 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:44.080 in our messages. We have to address. 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:47.040 Yes, last week we talked a lot of shit about 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:49.800 the breathalyzer test and I still do stand by that 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:53.000 it's junk science and many people have to like written 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:57.200 us to corroborate that portable breathalyzers. 0:06:57.240 --> 0:06:58.159 I guess there's two kinds. 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:00.120 There's the kind that the cops carry breathalyzers, and then 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:02.920 there's a kind that's like a stationary one that's at 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:05.400 the police station. And I guess the stationary one at 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:08.080 the police station. According to like a like a toxicologist 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:11.240 who wrote us that one's very well calibrated, so that 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:14.800 one is like admissible. But apparently in some states breathalyzers 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:18.520 aren't even admissible because they're so they're so inaccurate. 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:19.240 Well. 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:21.520 Yeah, so one of the posts, the first one we 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:26.280 got that you shared, was that like as a she 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:28.800 was a lawyer, and as a lawyer, like, if you blow, 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:31.240 you can at least fight it, Yeah, but if you 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:34.040 don't blow, there's nothing to fight, and you might actually 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:36.600 get in more trouble for not And then someone from 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:39.640 a different state was like, actually, no, here, you shouldn't blow, 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:41.960 and this and that, and so the states are wild, 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:44.040 And I guess the conclusion is don't drink and drive, 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:46.480 Like don't know for sure for sure. 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:48.280 But the thing is is like it's not even about 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:50.240 drinking and driving, Like if you have one beer and 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:52.680 then you drive, and you go take a faulty breathalyzer 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:54.440 and then you have a dui that can like ruin 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:55.920 your life in a lot of ways, you know what 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:58.720 I mean? Like that like I don't know, that's I 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:01.000 guess what I'm worried about is like you're not wasted, 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:03.040 but maybe you've had one glass of wine or something 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:06.840 and then you have this bad science. But it's totally 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:10.280 state by state. Like I remember reading in Connecticut and 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:12.840 I might be wrong. Or when I took driver's ed, 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:16.640 I remember them saying like, if you refuse your you're automatically. 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:17.920 Losing your license if you refuse a breathalyser. 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:21.040 So I know that that is true in some states, 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.800 but geez, anyway, hopefully no one's taking what we say 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:27.200 as gospel. We are comedians. We are not law enforcement. 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:29.960 We are not law professionals. I know, but we can't 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:34.080 use that excuse anymore. The Ukrainian president is a comedian. 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:40.319 Yeah, that's true. We're important people, now, that's so true. 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:44.080 Yeah, he's really You texted me that you get Barbera 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:45.760 vibes from him, and I really liked that. 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:46.720 I know. 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.920 I've been really going through it. It's really fucked and 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:53.760 I think the like it's weird to watch a war 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:58.199 on social media. Yeah, and the memificate like the hot 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:00.480 girls with guns and like, you. 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:04.760 Know, him being hot and like and being this hero. 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:08.200 It was like so, and Russia's fucking up and it 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:13.040 was like this optimistic, scary but and now it's not. 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:17.960 And it's like I wish there wasn't that positivity upfront. 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:20.160 And yeah, I remember hearing all my. 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:22.360 Stuff like it's gonna be over really quickly because they 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:23.320 fucked up, and it's not. 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:25.400 And now it's like not feeling that way. Yeah. 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:30.040 No, it seems very well planned, I would say, and 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:32.880 I think they were willing to lose these young soldiers 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:37.680 upfront that were tricked into going. And but so my 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:40.520 family has Russian television and they have like seven Russian 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:45.000 channels and it is state news. My dad like he's 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:48.320 just a he's eighty four, he was born in nineteen 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:49.840 thirty eight in the Soviet Union. 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:50.840 I don't know what to tell you. 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:54.320 Yeah, watching Russian television, but we're born in Adisa. 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:55.120 We're from Ukraine. 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:57.199 Like his family and him as a child escaped the 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:00.440 Nazis from Ukraine to Central Asia. So it's like it's 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:02.480 just very mixed up. And then like when I talk 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:05.440 to my parents about it, they're like everyone hated them, 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:06.880 like we left because we were Jews. 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:09.080 So to them, they're like, it's just very. 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:13.600 Complicated and a lot of feelings. But they do have 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:15.600 this Russian television, and I don't want them to have 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:18.280 it because it's lies and it's not real and I 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:21.480 just can't deal with it. And so I just tweeted 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:27.000 at Exfinity as a joke, and within twenty minutes all 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.120 their Russian channels were gone. 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:31.520 Wait, yes, so I tweeted. 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:33.520 I'm sure I had nothing to do with it, but 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:37.880 let me live my fantasy. So so last night I 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:41.840 tweet at Exfinity going yo, a little funny. I go, hey, 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:44.559 can you also cut off Russian channels in the US, 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:47.880 more specifically Skochy my dad's television. 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:49.319 Please? Yeah? 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:51.880 And then someone responded on like how you could set 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:54.600 parental control? So I go, great, texting my sister because 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:56.040 I thought maybe my sister and my brother. 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.200 In law can like, you know, trick them. 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:01.280 And so I texted her the greenshot of the tweets 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.040 and she texts back, going, Mom just called me in 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:04.480 a panic. 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:08.760 All their channels are gone. That's why I don't even 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:09.760 know what to say. 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:13.439 I don't either, so I'm sure they were already working 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:15.400 on I mean, the sanctions. So then right before we 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:17.800 started recording this, I got a text from my mom. 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:20.360 We don't have any Russian TV channels. I didn't know 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:23.839 who removed all programs. Dad is so upset. He didn't 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:27.240 know what to do. We played backgammon yesterday till one 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:30.760 thirty am, like they have because they're. 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:34.000 Lost without Russian television. I'm sure that what happened is Yeah, 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:36.240 it's like sanctions. They're just cutting off Russian television. 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:38.520 Yeah, but like my mom's gonna and my dad got 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:41.400 a notice for jury duty. I'm like, okay, I don't 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:42.120 know what excuse. 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:43.040 He can't go. 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:48.120 He can barely, he can't. He's lost, lost without it. 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:51.960 But I wrote, she doesn't understand what sanctions. But I wrote, 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:54.680 the government shut it down. The world's doing sanctions on Russia. 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:55.559 I'll call you later. 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:57.760 Oh my god. 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:00.360 But I love the timing of it, like Lie's is 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:03.520 a Twitter wizard and can just make things happen. 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:06.040 It was immediate. 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:10.080 But I also have a hard time because I don't 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:11.600 really want to talk to my parents, and this is 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:15.240 making me realize what happened to them. I don't know, Yeah, 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:20.040 in a fucked up way, like with the Holocaust statue 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:22.800 being bombed, I was like, oh that, oh fuck, Like 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:27.200 everything's just I don't want to retraumatize my parents in 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:30.199 any way, so I don't I tried talking to them 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.199 a little, and I don't know. They have a you know, 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:34.800 their friends. My mom's grandson is there. It's her biggest 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:37.320 thing in her life that she didn't bring him here 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:40.880 in the nineties, and like, but they're not talking. I 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:42.720 don't know what. I don't know. I don't know what 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:47.400 to do because I don't want to. I don't want 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:50.840 to trigger them in any way. M Yeah, because they 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:53.679 don't talk about it at all. The only reason I 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:57.440 know any bits and pieces of my parents' lives is 0:12:57.480 --> 0:12:59.680 when my dad gets drunk or they're a little wasted, 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:01.200 or my mind has a little bit of wine. 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:05.320 Like I don't. They do not talk about anything ever. Ever. 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:07.040 That's so interesting. 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.320 Yeah, just they just like escaped it and they were like, 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:12.520 it's in the rear view, we're not talking about it. 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:16.719 Yeah, And it's maybe the culture in some way I 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:20.120 have I have no idea, but it's just watching a 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:24.679 country be slaughtered like this slowly. Well, no one can 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:27.800 do anything because of nuclear shit. 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:28.240 I don't know. 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:31.920 And then it's kind of when we call nurses brave 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:34.679 where it's like you're brave, have fun. 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:36.439 Yeah, that's how it feels. 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:40.080 Like we're celebrating the bravery of the of the Ukrainian 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:44.680 people and basically going like go march to your depths 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:45.840 as you protect your country. 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:46.240 I don't know. 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:50.040 It's so fucked and the social media of its weird. 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:52.319 And then it's like some every morning and every night 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:53.880 reading everything and then. 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:57.120 And then we chat about regular It's like back and forth. 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:59.360 It's sick. It's a little bit don't look up? Did 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:00.280 you watch Don't Look Up? 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:00.600 On? 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:03.720 Dystopia? Really isn't for me? 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:06.199 Right, But I mean, but like it's similar because it's 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:08.440 like they're trying to warn about something very serious happening, 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:12.000 and it's like memes, jokes, talk show hosts like making jokes, 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:13.560 you know what I mean. Like it's all just like 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:16.920 is any information serious? Is anything being taken seriously? 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:18.880 Like what you know? Yeah, that's what it was. 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:22.120 I go, it's strange mess because then we were messaging 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:24.960 about wordle. So I'm texting a friend last night about 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:28.640 what's happening and like all the news and then I'm like, wait, 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:29.160 what was. 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.280 Your third guest for the word ale? And it's like 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:35.360 what is happening. Yeah, and it's a luxury to not 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:36.480 know war, you know. 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:39.960 Yeah, but for sure it's Wait, can I ask a 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:43.800 question about the television thing? Can your parents watch like 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:47.640 Netflix with Russian like voiceover turned on? 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:50.720 If they could even? Do I pay for their Netflix? 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:51.640 Did I set up? Then? 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:51.960 Don't? 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:54.800 Okay, of course I did. I set up there on 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:57.640 my folders. I have folders for Sam and Rema. I 0:14:57.680 --> 0:15:01.280 mean I got them Amazon, I set them up. I 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:03.960 bought them a Roku. I mean I did it. There's 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.880 no that's not gonna happen. Oh my god, that's not 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:08.400 gonna be possible for them, hopefully. 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:10.360 I just so they don't have to just play get 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:12.680 Back Him until one am every day, Like let's get 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:14.680 them in canto and Russian, you know what I mean, 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:15.560 like something. 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:16.440 No. 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:18.680 I mean they used to watch HBO, but at once 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:20.960 you retire and you get the Russia, you know, and 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:23.640 you don't have to think and translate. It's kind of 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:26.120 like it's hard to go back. I do feel bad 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:29.640 for them. There are fun channels too, and that's what 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:33.640 does suck. And there's like a music Russia loves, like 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:37.680 a musical variety. Yeah, yeah, one person pretending to be 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:40.760 another performing for this guy. They're voting like they love 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:44.560 a musical performance, and the host of it is like 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:47.640 so fucking hot Galkin, and even he spoke out against 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:47.880 the war. 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:49.440 I mean, that's what also sucks. 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:51.360 It's like, of course we're all gonna hate Russian and 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:53.400 fuck Russians, but it's the leader and the people in 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:57.000 Russia are about to fucking starve to death to I mean, 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:03.560 these boys, yes, risking their lives to protest, Like I mean, 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:05.320 my sister came up with the one good point of 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:06.920 view that I hadn't heard because I don't know, and 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:08.600 she goes, well, don't repeat it. I go, I'm gonna 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:10.720 repeat it everywhere. She goes, I'm not a professional. I go, 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:12.880 it doesn't matter, none of us are. I'm like, we're 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:17.120 all just joining this thing. But she goes, the only 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:21.000 they should do a coup. Russia needs to turn around 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:24.720 and fucking go after Putin. Yeah, with the Ukrainians, and 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:26.360 then I think the rest of the world would join 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:30.760 maybe or nuclear I mean the nuclear thing is not good. Yeah, 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:33.640 and then you and then I feel selfish anytime making 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:36.560 it personal. But it's like my therapist say, you feel 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:39.760 what you feel. You feel what you feel, but it's like, no, 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:42.520 that's why you said it. That's your like hometown, you know. 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:45.480 But my sister has no connection to it. She truly like, 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:48.120 I think she just hated she I mean, people hated 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:48.520 Jews there. 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:51.440 They weren't nice to her. Like my sister's like. 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:54.840 I feel the same way I feel watching any other conflict, 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:57.520 and I do not feel connected in any way. 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:02.160 I'm like, she lived there for a decade. I did not. 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:04.520 I was a child, I was very little, and I go, 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:08.080 I don't know why I feel how I feel right now. 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:12.479 Maybe because your memories are like theoretical, like your connection 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:14.480 is sort of theoretical, and hers is more like she 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:17.439 has actual memories of it sucking, you know. Yeah, Like 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:19.919 she didn't teach her kids Russian. She hates the language. 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:22.320 I love the language when you talk to your mom. 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.199 I think it sounds so pretty, I really do. I 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:27.880 can't say the same for like German, no offense, German listeners. 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:30.119 I just there's some languages I do not like. But 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:32.280 Russian I think sounds really nice now. 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:32.879 But her friend is. 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:35.960 But I also I always like, I think I guess 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:37.440 I took it for granted, where I was like, of 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:40.840 course I'm gonna go back to is yes, yeah one day, Yeah, 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:42.679 of course I'm gonna see this fucking stairs in the 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:46.000 opera house and like fucking do it up, like just 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:48.320 and then what's gonna happen? These people are gonna live 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:52.640 and then the bell like also, none of this would 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:55.119 be happening if Hillary Clinton won the election, I'll tell. 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:58.359 You that much. I love that a million people would 0:17:58.400 --> 0:17:58.680 not have. 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:02.720 Been dead from COVID this pool. Like to me, I 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:07.120 it's maybe it's a dumb thing, but I just once 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:10.520 in a while I'll think, like I wish I Hillary 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:12.439 Clinton would have been a good president, even I know 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:13.720 she's not perfect in any way. 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.080 Yeah of course, but yeah she would have. I think 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.119 things would have been things would be different today. 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:18.320 For sure. 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:20.320 Oh but the thing of like what to do with 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:23.440 war and like the impending nuclear war not let's say 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:24.800 or like we're dead in an instant. 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.600 It's like do you save money for the war or 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:28.320 do you party? 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:32.040 Great question, like I bought a concert ticket I couldn't 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:34.240 really afford. You know, I'm just kind of but I'm 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:36.480 living in I'm living in a trashy like I don't 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:39.120 know what to do. But do you party and eat 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:41.760 steaks or do you like save for when we're starving, 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:42.280 Like I don't know. 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:45.480 Yeah, that's a great question. I don't. 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:47.879 I think that depends on your personality. I think I 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:50.520 don't know if you're like a burn it all down 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:52.560 or like, you know, let's get. 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:55.200 And then on top of all this, then the Ukrainians 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:58.000 being racist to African and indiany, I know that's. 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:03.120 Been really tough too. Oh glad the world is so fucked. Yeah, 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:05.240 I like have seen videos of them like not letting 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:08.080 African immigrants like across the border. 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:09.200 It's fuck. It's fucked. 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:12.920 Yeah, Like with everything, you find time to still be racist. 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:16.320 Mm hmm on a not positive. But today I did 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:19.320 watch a video of one of the hottest men I've 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:21.960 ever seen in my life with a British accent joining 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:25.520 the like foreign forces for Ukraine and hasn't he doesn't 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:28.359 even have a Ukrainian friend. His friend let him marine 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:31.959 stuff and he's like tattoo, like truly the hottest man 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:34.159 I've ever seen. And he's like whatever we got but 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:35.800 in an accent. You know, I don't do accents. But 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:39.320 and that's what's weird about this? It's like, oh, yeah, 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:42.119 you fucking hot, you go fucking protect this country, and 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:44.360 it's like, okay, but you could be dead, like it is. 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:49.280 I just don't know it is weird because it is. 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:49.640 It does. 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:51.880 It's like if are we watching a movie, like we're 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:54.760 watching something unfold on social media, like, but it's not. 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:57.080 It's very real, you know, So it is kind of 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:01.800 it's it's fucking weird. Yeah, but do you want to 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:05.199 talk about rape and murder to make it feel better? No? 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:07.960 No, no, we have I would like a positive note. 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:12.359 And I just remember this. I get to go to 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:16.240 a virtual Zoom Simpson's table. 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:16.800 Reading table read. 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:20.879 Yeah, I'm so surprised you haven't gone to a table 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:21.360 read yet. 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:23.520 To be honest, No. 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:26.399 No one's really but Christine Nangel, who I'm obsessed with. 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:29.240 She's like a genius writer. But I also love her impressions. 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:31.720 She does like a Philly girl impression, and she did 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:36.280 the impression she did a video of like pretending to 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:41.480 be the like the owner of the Four Seasons landscaping. Yeah, 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:44.120 and like talking to Rudy Julie. It's the fun it's 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:47.840 so funny. And someone wrote like an insane tweet to 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:50.679 her hating the episode. She wrote, because it's about Santa's 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:52.480 Little Helper, and he's like, no one gives a shit 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:53.720 about Santa's Little Helper. 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:55.479 And I do have a Santa's Little Helper tattoo. 0:20:56.960 --> 0:20:58.919 So I sent it to her being well some people 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:00.960 like him, and she's like, do you want to do 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:03.560 the table read to my episode? And I was like yeah, 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:05.960 I mean, I wrote, oh my god, and like emotions 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:08.840 and I heard they really do it. I mean I'll 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:11.719 be like muted and hidden, but I heard when they 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:13.720 do it, they really like do the voices and like 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:14.440 really do it? 0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:17.240 So really yeah, and then like post when when when 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:19.240 they are doing them in person again, you'll probably go 0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:20.000 do one in person. 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:21.680 That's awesome. That's so fun. 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:24.640 Oh and I know we were saying about the war 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:27.680 being serious, but my lil fres did have a funny meme. 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:31.600 You know the video of the president and he goes, 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:34.840 I am here the defense, like minister is here, this 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:38.160 person's here. She wrote a caption that said, when you're 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:43.679 facetiming to prove you're really at guys night, And I 0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:44.400 did like that. 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:46.760 I did like that you got we got a laugh, right, 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:48.000 we got a laugh at some things. 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:50.359 We just need them to live. We need everyone to 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:55.520 kill Putin like what Yeah, but we also sat around 0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:57.520 like I didn't pay attention to anything. We like take 0:21:57.520 --> 0:21:59.639 our safety for grant. I don't know what it is. 0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:02.800 But why am I bringing it back down? 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:04.480 Why I don't know. I don't know. No, no, no, no, 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:05.439 it's up. It's up. It's up. 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:08.680 We're gonna have a great episode, and we're gonna get 0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:17.879 started right now. All right, everybody, let's get into Chasing Demons, 0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:24.120 Season nineteen, episode fourteen. This is the Peterstone era, very 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:26.600 brief Peterstone era, and this is a very different opening 0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:29.960 of the show. We are in trial the minute we open, 0:22:30.480 --> 0:22:34.639 and Stone is cross examining Olivia about someone named doctor West. 0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:37.720 And Olivia is explaining that a ten year old boy 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:41.560 named Sammy Price disclosed that doctor West performed oral sex 0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:44.159 on him in his pediatric office over two years. And 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:47.040 this is immediately like, oh, my mother's a pediatrician. 0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:49.240 I hate this already so much. 0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:53.640 The investigation led to fifteen patients being interviewed, two other 0:22:53.680 --> 0:22:56.040 boys coming forward saying that they had also had the 0:22:56.080 --> 0:23:01.080 same attack happened to them, and she said that essentially 0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:04.240 what happened was Wes had a playroom full of sports stuff, 0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:06.679 video games, toys, and that while the parents sat in 0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:09.720 the waiting room, Wes would bring the boys into this playroom, 0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:13.119 lock the door, and abuse them. So now we're outside 0:23:13.160 --> 0:23:15.920 the courtroom living Rollins are just gabbing it up like 0:23:15.960 --> 0:23:19.160 a couple of besties, and she's like, so Cassidy's still 0:23:19.240 --> 0:23:22.160 hitting that basically, and because we've just seen Cassidy get 0:23:22.160 --> 0:23:24.960 off the elevator and lives like, hell no, not. 0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:27.159 Since the DA cleared me of child abuse charges. 0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:31.240 So just to recap, in the season nineteen opener called 0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:36.240 Gone Fishing, Gone Fishing, Benson is being investigated for child 0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:40.199 abuse stemming from annoying Noah, sorry, I know that he is. 0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:43.399 We like him now, but also he was annoying because 0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:45.800 he stepped into traffic and his mom grabbed him and 0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:47.560 then he had a bruise, and he like didn't explain 0:23:47.600 --> 0:23:50.080 to people that his mom did it to help him 0:23:50.160 --> 0:23:53.359 from being run over by a taxi. And so she 0:23:53.520 --> 0:23:56.680 came to find out that Cassidy had mentioned her kidnap, 0:23:56.760 --> 0:23:59.119 slash torture at the hands of William Lewis to the 0:23:59.160 --> 0:24:02.400 investigator and Live is like, fuck you, like, never talk 0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:04.600 to me again, Like you're basically gonna be the reason 0:24:04.600 --> 0:24:06.400 that I lose my son if I do, because you're 0:24:06.600 --> 0:24:09.879 airing my dirty laundry out to these investigators. So she's 0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:14.719 very pissed, and she tells Rowlins in their little you know, 0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:18.080 side chat, that he's tried calling her a few times, 0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:19.040 but she just can't deal. 0:24:19.200 --> 0:24:21.600 So Cassidy sidles up. 0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:23.960 He's about to testify in the West case, and we 0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:26.720 find out that Stone only got this case from Barbara 0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:27.520 two weeks ago. 0:24:28.200 --> 0:24:30.840 And then he all he's all. 0:24:30.960 --> 0:24:33.000 Nice to see you Live without looking at her, which 0:24:33.000 --> 0:24:35.199 I feel like is very high school. That's like very 0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:36.879 much how a boy who likes you in high school 0:24:36.920 --> 0:24:39.360 would be like, uh, yeah, great seeing you, and then 0:24:39.440 --> 0:24:41.119 just like he won't make eye contact with her, And 0:24:41.160 --> 0:24:43.679 it's like, I don't know, Cassidy annoys me in this. 0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:45.760 He's immature, but oh he is immature. 0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:48.440 He does not handle his anger, his emotions or communicator. 0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:50.800 I mean he is stunted. We find out why. 0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:55.879 Yeah, but he is immature. Even remember when like she goes, oh, 0:24:55.960 --> 0:24:57.439 let's try a new place for dinner. 0:24:57.520 --> 0:25:00.199 And his response was, what's up with the old one? 0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:03.480 Like he is a he's not an evolved human. 0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:07.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah, So we're about to see exactly what 0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:10.240 happens when you push Cassidy and he is on the 0:25:10.320 --> 0:25:14.280 stand and uh, he's an investigator for the d DA's office. 0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:15.560 That's his role at this time. 0:25:15.960 --> 0:25:19.000 And he states that doctor West threatened to kill Sammy 0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:23.040 and his whole family if he told an Under cross examination, 0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:26.280 West lawyer is like, you worked as a U undercover 0:25:26.359 --> 0:25:29.159 in narcotics, right, And he asks about Carissa Gibson And 0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:32.160 this is the whole Bart Ganzelle double part that we've 0:25:32.200 --> 0:25:35.320 had a few seasons earlier, and that is a sex 0:25:35.359 --> 0:25:37.760 worker who Cassidy had a sexual relationship with while he 0:25:37.800 --> 0:25:40.439 was undercover. I don't understand why this is relevant, Like 0:25:40.480 --> 0:25:43.760 he was undercover, Like to me, the relationship was part 0:25:43.840 --> 0:25:46.800 of work, right. I don't think I love I think 0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:50.199 he was okay. I thought it was just like he was. 0:25:50.480 --> 0:25:53.639 Well remember when Hannah told us that like undercovers are 0:25:53.640 --> 0:25:54.960 allowed to have sex, they just have to do it 0:25:54.960 --> 0:25:56.399 as quick as possible or something. 0:25:56.600 --> 0:25:58.040 Yeah, I was like in. 0:25:58.040 --> 0:26:02.719 Another episode, so and the guy's just like and uh, 0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:06.080 what ended up happening to that sex worker, and Cassidy's 0:26:06.119 --> 0:26:08.480 like she was murdered and then and then he was like, 0:26:08.480 --> 0:26:10.879 and what about Heather Riggs another sex worker that accused 0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:14.480 you of rape? And essentially just his whole past is 0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:17.679 just being like blasted at him, and Cassidy's like, I 0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:19.439 was clear to these charges, Like, how about we talk 0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:23.320 about this investigation? And I kind of find it hard 0:26:23.320 --> 0:26:26.000 to believe that Stone wouldn't have anticipated that they would 0:26:26.000 --> 0:26:29.120 go after all this stuff with Cassidy, Like, why would 0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:30.320 you let him testify? 0:26:30.560 --> 0:26:30.879 Really? 0:26:30.920 --> 0:26:33.080 If this was I guess it's probably so Sammy didn't 0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:35.760 have to. But it seems like if you know that 0:26:35.840 --> 0:26:38.200 this guy has this crazy you. 0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:40.800 Know, Yeah, but you said it already. He only had 0:26:40.800 --> 0:26:43.760 two weeks to prep for the trio. Yeah, so that 0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:45.440 could be something that could have been it too. 0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:48.240 Yeah, And I don't like Stone. 0:26:49.080 --> 0:26:52.520 Yeah, so I don't know you've made You've not made 0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:53.880 that a secret, that's for sure. 0:26:54.040 --> 0:26:55.720 Yeah. 0:26:55.880 --> 0:26:58.520 Then Wes slawyer shows pictures of him from when he 0:26:58.560 --> 0:27:01.160 was arrested. He's got a swollen in face, black eye, 0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:04.520 he's been roughed up, and Cassidy's like he resisted and 0:27:04.560 --> 0:27:07.439 the lawyer accuses Cassidy of slamming West's face into a 0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:11.040 desk and calling him a monkey, which Cassidy says is bullshit, 0:27:11.400 --> 0:27:13.640 and the lawyer's like, you're a loose cannon who can't 0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:16.280 control your animal instincts, and Cassidy's like, your client is 0:27:16.320 --> 0:27:18.480 the only animal in here, and then the lawyer immediately 0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:21.120 spins it and goes so all black men arem animals 0:27:21.160 --> 0:27:23.560 to you, And it's like, Cassidy might be a little 0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:25.520 bit racist, but I don't think here he's being racist. 0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:27.239 I think he's more triggered by the fact that this 0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:32.479 man is a brazen pedophile. And then Cassidy goes off 0:27:32.600 --> 0:27:36.080 and he stands up on the stand screaming he's lucky 0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:37.600 I did and kill him after what he did to 0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:40.159 those boys and to all the others. So then the 0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:43.840 lawyer immediately moves for a mistrial because he brought up 0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:47.720 these other victims, and Stone is like, we could just 0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:50.280 instruct the jury to disregard, and the judge is like, 0:27:50.359 --> 0:27:52.640 too loud of a belt to unring, and she declares 0:27:52.640 --> 0:27:55.679 a mistrial. And so Cassidy just fucked this case up 0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:58.159 beyond recognition and it's not even the credits yet, and 0:27:58.400 --> 0:28:00.000 I know we're going to get to why, but it's 0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:02.520 like even Stabler can stay calm on the stand, like 0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:05.280 you got it. You can't say I would have killed you, 0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:07.440 Like if he had not said that last part, the trial. 0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:08.439 Would have gone on. 0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:12.520 Then, in an even worse turn of events, doctor West 0:28:12.520 --> 0:28:14.840 gets bail. So this is like a full shit show. 0:28:15.080 --> 0:28:17.200 The parents of all the victims are in the courtroom. 0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:20.840 They're all visibly upset. Hector Ramos is another one of 0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:23.840 the victims. His dad is screaming like he's just gonna 0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:25.800 get away with what he did to my son, and 0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:28.840 Cassidy's just like saying sorry over and over and over again. 0:28:28.960 --> 0:28:32.760 And then it's the credit, so very intense courtroom centric 0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:37.840 opening to this episode. So then at the top of 0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:40.440 act one, Stone is in a walk and talk with 0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:43.080 Cassidy like you fuck this up, and they start arguing 0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:46.400 and Stone is like, you're suspended, and Live comes in 0:28:46.480 --> 0:28:49.600 and breaks it up because they're like, you know, posturing. 0:28:49.080 --> 0:28:52.160 At each other. But also can Stone suspend Cassidy? 0:28:52.240 --> 0:28:55.520 Yeah, because he's an investigator for the DA's office. Okay, 0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:58.000 so I think he can. So he's like, you're suspended. 0:28:58.240 --> 0:29:00.760 So it's like, Wow, You've really just like watched so 0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:02.760 much bad shit happened to Cassidy. It's like, now he 0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:04.920 has his job suspend. It he fucked up this trial. 0:29:04.960 --> 0:29:06.520 He has his job suspended. He has to see his 0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:08.719 ex girlfriend who he loves and she hates him. Like 0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:10.400 it's not a great day for Cassidy. 0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:13.000 So Stone is. 0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:15.040 Like, I can't believe I let Jack McCoy talk me 0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:17.239 into this job, and Live is like, yeah, why did you? 0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:20.400 And he goes, something came up after my father died 0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:22.680 and I didn't see it coming. And I don't know 0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:25.160 if he's talking about emotional or the fact that his 0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:27.240 like sister is ill. I don't really know what he's 0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:30.760 talking about here. But anyway, now we're at the home 0:29:30.800 --> 0:29:34.120 of Hector Ramos and his dad is still lit up, 0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:36.200 like you hear him in the kitchen like banging around, 0:29:36.320 --> 0:29:40.360 shoving drawers shut and banging cabinets, and the parents are 0:29:40.400 --> 0:29:43.440 really upset, and Carisie and Rollins are there explaining. They're like, 0:29:43.480 --> 0:29:45.960 we'll retry this in a few months, and they're just 0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:48.280 really upset that Hector's going to have to testify again. 0:29:49.440 --> 0:29:51.640 Wes lawyer was really hard on him on the stand 0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:54.160 and it traumatized him. They're talking about how he lost sleep, 0:29:54.200 --> 0:29:57.000 he was wetting the bed, like it sounds awful, And 0:29:57.840 --> 0:29:59.840 I just don't understand how you sleep at night when 0:29:59.840 --> 0:30:01.440 you're that kind of lawyer, when you're the kind of 0:30:01.520 --> 0:30:05.360 lawyer where your job is to go and interrogate children 0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:08.840 victims and make them trip over their words and feel 0:30:08.880 --> 0:30:12.760 like feel stupid, And I just can't imagine how you 0:30:12.760 --> 0:30:14.880 get any'sease. But let me write in and let me 0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:18.920 know if that's who you are, because I understand defending tradelusters, 0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:21.280 everyone deserves a defense or whatever, but it's like, do 0:30:21.280 --> 0:30:23.240 you have to go hard at kids on the stand, 0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:25.360 Like it just seems kind of reprehensive. 0:30:25.360 --> 0:30:27.200 Well, and this says a lot of dramatics, you know. 0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:29.160 I feel like when we talk about in real life, 0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:32.240 I think we mentioned it where a lot of cases 0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:35.240 it's just trying to plead down, like you know your 0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:38.080 client's guilty, and it's kind of like, okay, he's a 0:30:38.120 --> 0:30:41.000 molestor let's try to get him forty or twenty five, right. 0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:41.200 Yeah. 0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:44.800 Yeah, So I wonder how often it happens in real 0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:47.719 life that kids are getting treated this way, but I 0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:50.040 bet often Yeah, I don't know. I wonder if you're 0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:54.280 a lawyer, let us know if this is SVW theatrics 0:30:54.760 --> 0:30:57.920 or people bullying children like Judge all habitually. 0:30:58.040 --> 0:30:58.760 Is that happening. 0:30:58.840 --> 0:31:05.080 Yeah, So now we are talking to Sammy Price's family 0:31:05.120 --> 0:31:08.040 and they're at a basketball court. Sammy's playing basketball with 0:31:08.120 --> 0:31:12.160 his older brother, Reggie, and they're like he's the older 0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:15.240 brother's being really cute and is like, hey, like Sammy, 0:31:15.360 --> 0:31:18.880 and Sammy just looks really like dejected. And Stone and 0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:20.800 Benson are trying to talk to his mom, who's played 0:31:20.800 --> 0:31:22.280 by Purnell Walker. 0:31:22.440 --> 0:31:23.840 She's very talented the mom. 0:31:23.920 --> 0:31:25.680 She's been in a ton of stuff, like sitting on 0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:28.920 a hill the Deuce. I knew I recognized her from something, 0:31:28.960 --> 0:31:31.720 but she has like a lot of credits and she's 0:31:31.880 --> 0:31:33.680 very good in this role. And they're explaining the new 0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:35.600 trial to her and she's like, no, no, he's just 0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:37.560 gonna go live with his dad in North Carolina. I 0:31:37.560 --> 0:31:39.680 gotta get him out of here. He gets bullied at school, 0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:41.760 and I'm starting to think maybe we never should have 0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:44.480 come forward. And Stone's like no, no, no, no no, and 0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:46.560 tries to convince her and Live is just like, okay, cool, 0:31:46.640 --> 0:31:48.600 keep us posted because like a Live knows how to 0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:50.680 deal with victims. She's just like, we're not going to 0:31:50.720 --> 0:31:53.320 sit here and badger this woman. Let's give her a 0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:55.080 couple of days to cool out and then we'll talk 0:31:55.120 --> 0:31:57.040 to her again. I'll check in with her, like you 0:31:57.040 --> 0:32:01.240 know and so. And then Live gets a text and 0:32:01.320 --> 0:32:04.280 is like I gotta go. So Liv shows up at 0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:06.600 a pub on the Upper West Side that I forget 0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:08.400 what it's called, but it definitely doesn't exist because I 0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:11.720 would have drank there if it was real. And Olivia 0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:15.400 shows up to defuse the situation where Cassidy is wasted 0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:17.280 and like fighting with other cops. I think this is 0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:19.120 like a cop bar and they all know him and 0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:22.920 he's getting into like scuffles with all these men. Liv 0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:25.160 tries to calm Brian down, but he's being a dick, 0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:26.720 and then she's kind of like, well, you did fuck 0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:28.800 everything up. And then he's like and you're gonna make 0:32:28.840 --> 0:32:31.640 it all better because you're Alivia Benson and you're the best. 0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:35.080 And it's like mm hmm, like I don't know what, like, yeah, 0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:38.880 that's probably what's gonna happen, Like that's why whoever at 0:32:38.880 --> 0:32:42.440 the bar called her because everyone knows she'll get you, 0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:44.600 get your ass out of bad situations and she is 0:32:44.640 --> 0:32:48.360 a queen. So and then she tells the bartender to 0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:50.280 cut him off and tells another guy to get him in. 0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:51.400 An uber and she just kind. 0:32:51.240 --> 0:32:53.840 Of walks out because he's like, guess what live. She's like, 0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:56.760 go home, Brian, and he's like, I am home, Like okay, 0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:59.320 So dramatically, he wants to just drink his problems away. 0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:03.240 So now they're talking to the mother of the final victim, Tommy, 0:33:04.000 --> 0:33:05.680 and Stone is talking to his mom at. 0:33:05.560 --> 0:33:08.760 A Russian when she works another Tommy drink, Take a drink. 0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:10.760 It is really wild. 0:33:10.800 --> 0:33:12.240 I know we have a listener that I think is 0:33:12.280 --> 0:33:14.800 making a list of all the Tommies. Can you send 0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:17.600 that to us because it is really really like the 0:33:18.680 --> 0:33:21.880 new boss on the current episodes goes by Tommy like 0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:25.120 it's really nuts. So it's a lot of Tommy's So Tommy, 0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:28.600 can you hear me? She is upset that the mom 0:33:28.640 --> 0:33:30.360 is upset that Tommy has to go through all this again. 0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:32.600 This scene is kind of pointless, and Stone just says, 0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:34.760 we'll put him away and she goes you said that 0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:36.840 the first time, so the scene is really just like 0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:39.320 so that Stone can get his ass handed to him 0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:43.960 another time. Now back at lives Place, it's nighttime and 0:33:44.040 --> 0:33:47.479 there is intense banging on the door of her apartment building, 0:33:47.600 --> 0:33:50.400 like middle of the night banging. Live grabs her gun 0:33:50.480 --> 0:33:52.520 and is like slowly walking to the door, looks through 0:33:52.560 --> 0:33:56.000 the people, opens the door. It's Cassidy covered in blood 0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:58.840 saying I need your help. So we're like, not sure, 0:33:58.880 --> 0:34:01.840 what is this? A barfight? Like what's gone on? So 0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:05.200 then the top of AC two, we're at a crime scene. 0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:07.560 We see like a bus and cop cars outside of 0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:10.479 a brownstone and we get a cute little combo between 0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:12.880 Careesi and Rollins about how he's wearing the same clothes 0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:14.960 as the night before and he's like, ah, I dray 0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:16.680 clean a shut down and she's like, oh, too bad. 0:34:16.680 --> 0:34:18.000 I thought you were going night be getting laid. 0:34:18.400 --> 0:34:20.840 And if you guys will recall, intent was just a 0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:23.520 few episodes ago when he was definitely trying to bang 0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:26.440 Rollins at a motel in West Virginia and she opted 0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:29.839 for a stranger bartender instead. So we weren't quite at 0:34:29.880 --> 0:34:33.400 releasey levels at this point, and so they're at a 0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:36.720 crime scene. Obviously, they go inside and it's doctor West. 0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:39.640 He's been stabbed ten times with a thin knife, a 0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:41.719 single edge blade, and he's like just lying there in 0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:45.480 a pool of blood. And yeah, I mean I kind 0:34:45.480 --> 0:34:46.920 of you know, you'll love to see it when you 0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:49.600 see just like a guy who might walk just get murdered. 0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:53.520 I love vigilante justice. I have to say, yeah, put 0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:54.160 it in writing. 0:34:54.320 --> 0:34:57.200 We're a pro vigilante justice on this podcast. 0:34:59.719 --> 0:35:01.640 So Rollin's and Creasy are like, oh, you want to 0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:04.279 take neighbors, I'll take this guy. And then they get 0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:06.480 confronted with this woman's like, or you could just let 0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:09.520 homicide take care of it. And this is Devin Holiday. 0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:11.680 Deetive. She's a bitch. I don't like. 0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:15.879 Yeah, Detective Devon Holiday played by a gorgeous actress named 0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:19.160 Kylie Bunbury, who is actually one of the leads in 0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:21.520 Big Sky, which I've mentioned before, is a show that 0:35:21.560 --> 0:35:24.560 I randomly watch, and she's one of the main characters. 0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:27.520 She grows on you in Big Sky because she's just 0:35:27.560 --> 0:35:29.200 as big of a bitch in Big Sky, but she 0:35:29.280 --> 0:35:32.120 grows on you here. It's like she's just a bitch. 0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:35.280 The whole episode pretty much. But she's got a point. 0:35:35.320 --> 0:35:37.879 This is a homicide, and she's like she's giving off 0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:40.560 very like this is my turf energy, you know, and 0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:43.120 she's like they even try to just introduce themselves and 0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:45.960 she's like, yeah, I know who you are, and they're like, 0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:47.919 so you know that this is our case and she's like, yeah, 0:35:47.920 --> 0:35:50.160 it's all over the news. How that racist self destructed 0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:53.200 your case. Like she's very smug. She's really got a 0:35:53.200 --> 0:35:57.640 bad attitude and s view like Rollin's increase. He are like, okay, 0:35:57.680 --> 0:35:59.480 let's like work together, and she's like, no, thanks, I 0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:01.279 don't need you to fuck up my investigation too. 0:36:01.320 --> 0:36:03.120 It's oh, it's all very harsh. 0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:04.960 And then they walk away from her and Creasy goes, 0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:06.560 it's a little early in the morning for a stick 0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:07.240 up your ass. 0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:11.520 I guess that's a burn. All the up your ass stuff. 0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:15.200 It never resonates with me when someone's like we crawled 0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:17.320 up your ass, Like I just that those like little 0:36:17.320 --> 0:36:20.360 comebacks that never really there's other ways to be like 0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:21.520 you're being a bitch, you know. 0:36:22.000 --> 0:36:25.120 I don't know. I never like, oh, this stick up 0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:25.960 her ass all that. 0:36:26.000 --> 0:36:28.000 I don't know. There's something about it. This just doesn't 0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:29.760 do it for me. So if you've got better burns, 0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:32.880 please send them my way. And then Rollins gets a 0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:35.240 nine to one to one text from Olivia. So because 0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:37.280 this is very early in the morning, like it looks 0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:39.200 like the sun is kind of coming up as Rollins 0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:41.640 and Cariesy are arriving at that crime scene. So now 0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:45.520 Rollins is a lives apartment picking up Noah to take 0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:48.279 him to breakfast and school and lives like, I'll be 0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:50.960 in later. But there's no even fake excuse. 0:36:51.040 --> 0:36:51.480 I don't think. 0:36:51.680 --> 0:36:55.040 She doesn't even really say like, oh fuck, I forgot 0:36:55.040 --> 0:36:57.600 the cable guy is coming or anything, you know, Like 0:36:57.840 --> 0:36:59.280 she's just kind of like, take my kid to school 0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:02.439 and get the hell out of here. And then they leave, 0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:05.160 but you can see on Rolin's face that she's like, 0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:07.880 what the hell is going on here? And then Cassidy 0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:11.960 strolls in wearing these sweats. This is after Rollins has 0:37:12.000 --> 0:37:14.560 left with Noah, by the way, and Noah. 0:37:14.320 --> 0:37:15.120 Does look cute here. 0:37:15.160 --> 0:37:17.320 He's talking about how he likes blueberry pancakes and stuff. 0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:21.440 I'm liking Noah being a cutie here. And then Cassidy 0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:23.200 strolls in wearing these sweats, and he goes, I can't 0:37:23.200 --> 0:37:25.000 believe you kept these, and Live goes, I wear them 0:37:25.000 --> 0:37:27.239 to clean my toilet, and it's just that's a burn. 0:37:27.320 --> 0:37:30.640 I like, I do like that one. And then Live 0:37:30.719 --> 0:37:33.640 is like Live is livid. Basically, she's like, I have 0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:36.680 a kid. You almost had me lose my kid once before, 0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:38.120 and now you're showing up in the middle of the 0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:42.080 night implicating me in crimes, possibly while my kid is sleeping. 0:37:42.520 --> 0:37:44.600 And he's like, well, you used to care about me, 0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:47.200 and she's like, cut the shit, like you know, and 0:37:47.239 --> 0:37:49.480 he's like, if anyone can prove that I didn't kill West, 0:37:49.520 --> 0:37:49.840 it's you. 0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:50.720 Okay. 0:37:51.120 --> 0:37:55.359 Oh, now now he's happy that she's Olivia Benson. Now 0:37:55.400 --> 0:37:57.400 all of a sudden, it's not a problem that she 0:37:57.520 --> 0:37:58.720 knows everything. 0:37:58.719 --> 0:38:02.040 Right exactly, Like the booze has worn off, and he's like, fuck, 0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:03.960 the only person that can help me as a person 0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:06.560 I just made fun of and told to fuck off 0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:10.080 hours earlier, when I was like under a haze of Jaegermeister. 0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:14.080 So now we're at like some little diner and Rollin's 0:38:14.120 --> 0:38:16.640 and Noah are having like kind of a cutie little breakfast, 0:38:16.840 --> 0:38:20.759 and she's fully manipulating him for details about what's going 0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:23.600 on with Lib. She's like, anything weird happened to you 0:38:23.680 --> 0:38:26.239 this morning at the house and he was like, well, 0:38:26.280 --> 0:38:28.920 my toothpaste was different because my mom's sink is broken, 0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:32.080 and like, you know, I don't know, that's like a 0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:34.400 weird detail, but I guess that you could draw from that. 0:38:34.520 --> 0:38:36.200 Oh why wasn't he allowed in the bathroom? 0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:39.600 And then he's drawing these boots on the place mat 0:38:39.800 --> 0:38:41.839 and she's like, what are those and he's like they're 0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:45.080 boots from they were in the kitchen this morning, and 0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:48.400 Rolin's face is like done done, and then that's like 0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:51.439 we're off of on that shot of rollin, So she's 0:38:51.520 --> 0:38:53.760 clearly knows something's up and someone's at the apartment. 0:38:54.880 --> 0:38:56.560 So now Cassidy is. 0:38:56.480 --> 0:39:00.080 Telling Lib his whole version of the story, and he's like, 0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:02.399 I couldn't get West's smug look out of my mind, 0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:04.320 so I went there to tell him. I was watching 0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:08.239 him again, like dumb ass move after dumb ass move 0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:12.560 from Cassidy, like just so dumb, and uh, he goes 0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:14.560 and if he tried to intimidate these three kids like 0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:16.440 he did to the other victims, and Olivia's like. 0:39:16.400 --> 0:39:18.439 Then what what would you fucking do? Kill him? 0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:20.880 Like you're so so dumb, you're not allowed to go 0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:23.359 threaten a purp? Like what is this the first day 0:39:23.400 --> 0:39:25.040 of the academy that they teach us this? 0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:28.080 Probably? And I do really like Olivia's hair. 0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:30.440 She kind of has like curtain bangs, like they're like 0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:32.520 bangs that sort of separate, like there's a little theater 0:39:33.040 --> 0:39:34.480 show about to tappen on her forehead. 0:39:34.920 --> 0:39:36.920 And so he. 0:39:36.920 --> 0:39:40.440 Tells Olivia that he went to West's brownstone. The front 0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:44.000 door was open, he called out to West, no one responded. 0:39:44.360 --> 0:39:47.920 Then he got blitz attacked from behind, smacked, and he 0:39:48.000 --> 0:39:50.520 woke up on the floor covered in the doctor's blood. 0:39:51.320 --> 0:39:55.919 And this story is absolutely capital be bonkers, and Live 0:39:56.000 --> 0:39:59.680 lets him know it. She's like, that's quite a story, Brian, 0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:02.479 And he's like, you can take me in if you want, 0:40:02.800 --> 0:40:04.799 but I need to know that you know in your 0:40:04.880 --> 0:40:07.000 heart that I would never do something like this, Like 0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:09.880 I know this is fucked up, but like if I 0:40:09.920 --> 0:40:11.920 tell authorities that I went to West house after what 0:40:11.960 --> 0:40:14.480 went down in court, like they'll definitely arrest me. And 0:40:15.800 --> 0:40:17.959 Live is like, okay, well do you remember anything else? 0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:21.040 Like sense sounds like anything, and he's like, you're not 0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:22.640 gonna get any of that shit out of me, Olivia, 0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:24.759 I was blitz attacked. And she's like, if you're gonna 0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:26.360 do come to me for help, we're gonna do it 0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:29.960 my way. Like she's just don't fuck with Olivia Benson. 0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:34.399 This is season nineteen, dude, you know what's gonna happen here. 0:40:34.920 --> 0:40:37.640 So then the only little piece of anything he has 0:40:37.719 --> 0:40:40.719 to help with himself is this little metal ring that 0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:45.000 he found in his boot and it has blood on it. Okay, 0:40:45.800 --> 0:40:47.440 so we don't know what it is. It's just this 0:40:47.560 --> 0:40:51.040 little like a washer almost. It's like a little uh 0:40:51.200 --> 0:40:53.000 not like a ring that you would wear as jewelry. 0:40:53.600 --> 0:40:56.160 So now at the precinct, they're all talking shit about 0:40:56.239 --> 0:40:58.840 the homicide detective Holiday and Finn's like, oh, you know, 0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:01.319 her dad is the deputy Missioner of Corrections, and they're 0:41:01.320 --> 0:41:04.000 all like, explains the gold shield and the attitude, and 0:41:04.000 --> 0:41:05.879 it's like she could also just be good at her job. 0:41:05.920 --> 0:41:07.440 But I know, I do get she's a bit and 0:41:07.480 --> 0:41:11.280 we're talking shit. So then Live is in her office 0:41:11.440 --> 0:41:14.680 on an iPad, swiping through gruesome grip scene photos as 0:41:14.719 --> 0:41:17.520 she is wont to do and then Rollins walks in 0:41:17.560 --> 0:41:19.400 and it's like, so did you get that sync fixed? 0:41:19.440 --> 0:41:23.600 And Lives like huh oh no, not yet, like definitely not, 0:41:23.840 --> 0:41:27.840 like it seems like a lie. And then the Rollin's 0:41:27.920 --> 0:41:30.800 is probing and then she's like what about those boots? 0:41:30.800 --> 0:41:31.439 Like what's up? 0:41:31.480 --> 0:41:33.880 And Live just looks at her kind of like and 0:41:33.920 --> 0:41:35.520 she's like, are you really gonna make me tap dance 0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:35.799 for this? 0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:37.279 Like why are you making me work so hard? 0:41:37.320 --> 0:41:40.120 And so Live closes the door and she's like they're 0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:42.719 cassidys and it's not what you think, like we did 0:41:42.719 --> 0:41:45.759 not get it on. She's like basically tells Rollin's the 0:41:45.760 --> 0:41:49.920 whole crazy story, and Rollin's is like, Olivia, please, girl, 0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:54.040 like you gotta get your head on, like this is 0:41:54.120 --> 0:41:56.920 not a good story. This does not seem right, and 0:41:57.000 --> 0:41:59.160 he's got to come in and Lives like he will, 0:41:59.320 --> 0:42:01.000 just not yet. And then they get into this big 0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:04.280 argument and Rollins is like, I kind of have Rollins's 0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:05.919 side on this. I get that we have to trust 0:42:05.920 --> 0:42:09.520 Olivia's judgment, but Rollins is like he is capable of anything, 0:42:09.600 --> 0:42:12.160 like he could totally be playing you, like look at 0:42:12.200 --> 0:42:14.520 how he flew into a rage on the stand today 0:42:14.840 --> 0:42:17.319 under the influence of alcohol. Who says, who's to say 0:42:17.320 --> 0:42:19.839 what he's capable of? And then Live is like, can 0:42:19.880 --> 0:42:22.480 I just have some fucking credit? I am not a 0:42:22.560 --> 0:42:24.960 dumb ass, and Rollins is like yeah, but Cassidy is. 0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:28.080 So it's just like kind of a fun fight. I 0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:30.600 did like to watch them sort of like. 0:42:30.640 --> 0:42:34.799 Their relationship evolving and becoming closer and better. Yeah, because 0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:37.279 Rollins did fuck up a lot and you know, so 0:42:37.360 --> 0:42:41.960 I do like to see them have like girly energy together. 0:42:42.560 --> 0:42:43.239 Yeah. 0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:45.520 But then Live is like, for now, let's just work 0:42:45.560 --> 0:42:47.440 the case and Rollins is like cool, cool, cool, And 0:42:47.480 --> 0:42:49.960 if our boss finds out, like your fucked and I'm fucked, 0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:52.640 so thanks for putting me in this position. So it's 0:42:52.680 --> 0:42:55.320 like very tense with them. But yeah, they are pals, 0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:56.840 I think, and we know that they'll make it through that. 0:42:56.920 --> 0:42:57.120 Wow. 0:42:57.360 --> 0:42:59.600 And Rollins, where does she come off being like we 0:42:59.640 --> 0:43:02.239 might get in trouble. I'm like you straight up, like 0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:06.000 we're gambling illegally covering for your sister, Like she's done 0:43:06.000 --> 0:43:08.799 so much shit she can't yeah, like shit on anyone else. 0:43:08.840 --> 0:43:11.960 Everyone had her back, true, true, true, true. 0:43:13.160 --> 0:43:15.879 So what Live tells the squad to gently like reach 0:43:15.920 --> 0:43:18.040 out to the families and just make sure that like 0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:20.239 nobody from any of the families had anything to do 0:43:20.280 --> 0:43:25.279 with this. So they're at Sammy's place and his mom 0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:27.359 is like super relieved that West is dead. 0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:29.480 Her friend Granville is there changing a light. 0:43:29.680 --> 0:43:34.760 Reggie and Sammy walk in as the mom is saying, well, like, basically, 0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:37.759 last night we went to we watched X Men till ten, 0:43:37.840 --> 0:43:39.759 and then we all went to bed, and so that's 0:43:39.800 --> 0:43:41.960 their alibi, and Reggie's like, hy, mom, kim Me and 0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:44.920 brogo ice skating. The mom pulls out this fat envelope 0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:47.640 of cash and gives them a couple twenties and then 0:43:47.680 --> 0:43:50.799 they're like, I don't know why. The detectives are like, oh, 0:43:50.800 --> 0:43:53.240 you're not allowed to have an envelope of cash lying around. 0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:55.920 They were like, what's with the envelope of cash? And 0:43:55.960 --> 0:43:58.440 she goes, oh this someone's lifts it under our door. 0:43:58.440 --> 0:44:00.560 It was five thousand dollars and don't know that said 0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:05.799 more if you don't go back to court. So and 0:44:06.320 --> 0:44:08.879 she's like, West is dead, I'm keeping the money. Even 0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:11.400 though he it's clear now that he was definitely trying 0:44:11.440 --> 0:44:13.239 to budge at this family. 0:44:13.400 --> 0:44:15.960 But also five K is not enough to not go 0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:18.359 back to court. You got to give more than that. 0:44:18.560 --> 0:44:20.759 Well, yeah, if Wes actually but he's on bay, I 0:44:20.840 --> 0:44:23.160 wonder what the like if he paid someone to do it. 0:44:23.200 --> 0:44:23.960 Someone's doing it. 0:44:24.040 --> 0:44:27.839 He's doing it, and I don't I doubt he thinks 0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:29.000 he did anything wrong. 0:44:29.080 --> 0:44:29.720 He's a molester. 0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:33.239 Yeah, he's definitely paying. He's definitely paying some kind of 0:44:33.239 --> 0:44:36.320 messenger career. He's showing up at his old victims houses 0:44:36.400 --> 0:44:38.280 to slip cash under the doors. 0:44:38.320 --> 0:44:39.959 But yeah, he. 0:44:39.880 --> 0:44:42.759 Definitely doesn't think he's doing anything wrong. And I put 0:44:42.800 --> 0:44:44.840 it together that it was him giving the money. I 0:44:44.840 --> 0:44:49.000 think I just realized that, Yeah, no, he fully was 0:44:49.000 --> 0:44:52.000 trying to buy them off. And now Rollins is at 0:44:52.080 --> 0:44:55.600 Hector's father's workplace because remember how worked up he was 0:44:55.640 --> 0:44:58.319 in court, and she's like, so what's up, Like where 0:44:58.320 --> 0:44:59.440 were you last night? 0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:00.680 And he's like, I. 0:45:00.640 --> 0:45:02.600 Went on a walk and I don't, like, I don't 0:45:02.600 --> 0:45:03.840 really have much of an alibi. 0:45:03.880 --> 0:45:05.560 I was just went for a walk to let off steam. 0:45:05.600 --> 0:45:07.439 And she's like, what about your hand because his hand 0:45:07.440 --> 0:45:10.439 looks busted, and he's like, look around because he works 0:45:10.440 --> 0:45:12.919 in some kind of factories like this job is hazardous, 0:45:12.960 --> 0:45:16.440 like you know, I'm getting cut and bandages. 0:45:15.920 --> 0:45:16.480 All the time. 0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:19.320 So then Holiday walks in and is like, what the 0:45:19.400 --> 0:45:22.440 hell are you doing here? Like she shows up at 0:45:22.760 --> 0:45:25.600 the dad's workplace, and Rollins is like, we've worked with 0:45:25.640 --> 0:45:27.680 these families for two years. We're not just going to 0:45:27.719 --> 0:45:32.200 disappear because the case is over. And Holiday's being super snappy, 0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:34.319 and Rollin's just like, I know you're trying to prove something. 0:45:34.360 --> 0:45:34.759 It would be. 0:45:34.680 --> 0:45:36.000 Helpful if you could be a little bit less of 0:45:36.040 --> 0:45:38.960 a bitch about it. And she's like okay. Like Holiday 0:45:39.000 --> 0:45:41.360 doesn't really have any kind of comebacks except for a 0:45:41.400 --> 0:45:45.319 smug look on her face, and then she says, we're 0:45:45.360 --> 0:45:47.759 also looking for your boy Cassidy, So any idea where 0:45:47.760 --> 0:45:50.319 that dumbass is? And Rollins puts this like very fun, 0:45:50.320 --> 0:45:53.120 bitchy smile on her face and goes, I haven't seen him. 0:45:53.719 --> 0:45:56.799 So that same kind of like flirty Southern bell thing 0:45:56.920 --> 0:45:58.719 she does with guys to get stuff she kind of 0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:00.360 did to be a bitch here, and I kind. 0:46:00.200 --> 0:46:00.719 Of liked that. 0:46:00.960 --> 0:46:03.120 Yeah, no, I like that Amanda's giving it back to her. 0:46:03.160 --> 0:46:05.160 But now it is like, you do know where Cassidy is? 0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:08.239 And he was covered in blood. So yeah, like now 0:46:08.280 --> 0:46:10.680 all of a sudden, I'm on this bitch's side and 0:46:10.920 --> 0:46:11.440 yeah like that. 0:46:11.560 --> 0:46:14.640 Because she does rub me the wrong way, right and it. 0:46:14.719 --> 0:46:17.319 But it's also, yeah, it's like police covering for each other. 0:46:17.360 --> 0:46:20.799 This is stuff we don't usually like, yeah, you know. 0:46:21.480 --> 0:46:25.040 So at the precinct they're talking about all these different 0:46:25.040 --> 0:46:27.560 possibilities and they're like, well, let's bring in Hector Remos, 0:46:27.560 --> 0:46:30.440 like he has no alibi and he has a record, 0:46:31.080 --> 0:46:33.719 and then Stone walks in and is like, Holiday says, 0:46:33.719 --> 0:46:36.480 you're working the West case, Like what's going on? And 0:46:36.520 --> 0:46:41.640 then private combo ex parte in Live's office, Stone is 0:46:42.040 --> 0:46:44.600 like very pissed that Olivia is trying to work this 0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:48.200 case and step on homicides toes and liv gives Stone 0:46:48.239 --> 0:46:51.280 like a very dramatic monologue about how Noah was kidnapped 0:46:51.320 --> 0:46:53.560 and how she can't sleep at night now, and she 0:46:53.719 --> 0:46:56.840 asks like, I don't really know how it ties in. 0:46:56.880 --> 0:46:58.880 It's just kind of like I care about these children 0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:00.600 and I want to know what happened. And so like 0:47:00.960 --> 0:47:03.160 she asks Stone like if we can just look at 0:47:03.160 --> 0:47:06.439 his trial your trial prep files to see if there's 0:47:06.480 --> 0:47:10.160 anything else in there. We could possibly find other patients 0:47:10.200 --> 0:47:12.480 that were maybe affected by the mistrial and maybe they 0:47:12.520 --> 0:47:17.120 came they were the ones that killed him. And he says, okay, 0:47:17.200 --> 0:47:20.120 but you find anything, Holiday has to be your first call. 0:47:20.239 --> 0:47:23.480 No more surprises, and it's like, definitely don't mention that 0:47:23.520 --> 0:47:27.240 you're harboring a fugitive Live. So in this next scene, 0:47:27.280 --> 0:47:30.439 Amanda goes into Live's apartment. She just has a key, 0:47:30.480 --> 0:47:32.320 and I'm like, wow, you guys should start a podcast 0:47:32.320 --> 0:47:37.400 together because I like that. And she confronts Cassidy and 0:47:37.520 --> 0:47:39.520 is like I never took you for such a coward, 0:47:39.640 --> 0:47:43.080 and Rollins is like, you're letting Olivia fuck her career 0:47:43.120 --> 0:47:45.720 over for you, and he's like she'll think of something, 0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:48.239 and rollinsays like she shouldn't have to. And I just 0:47:48.280 --> 0:47:50.759 really like Rollin's here. She's completely right. She's like, you're 0:47:50.800 --> 0:47:54.200 a pussy. You did a dumb ass thing, and you 0:47:54.239 --> 0:47:57.360 fucking put your ex girlfriend, my good friend and boss 0:47:57.400 --> 0:47:59.520 into this horrible position and now she's having to clean 0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:02.279 up your mess. You suck, And so Cassidy's like, you've 0:48:02.280 --> 0:48:04.680 got some baggage too, bitch who bailed you out? And 0:48:04.800 --> 0:48:09.000 Rollins is like that is different, and I guess maybe 0:48:09.640 --> 0:48:10.960 some of it well I don't know, it's some of 0:48:11.000 --> 0:48:11.279 it is. 0:48:11.239 --> 0:48:13.080 Because no one was ever on the line for murder, 0:48:13.120 --> 0:48:13.480 I guess. 0:48:13.520 --> 0:48:16.400 But he goes, if you think I killed West, go ahead, 0:48:16.520 --> 0:48:18.560 arrest me, and she goes, I would never. 0:48:18.440 --> 0:48:21.520 Go against Live. Put that on a T shirt, and. 0:48:21.560 --> 0:48:23.759 Rollins is like, I don't know why she trusts you, 0:48:23.800 --> 0:48:25.560 but if you give a fuck about her, you'll turn 0:48:25.560 --> 0:48:29.160 yourself in. So I do like this very charged interaction 0:48:29.280 --> 0:48:32.680 between these two. So at Stone's office, Holiday shows up 0:48:32.680 --> 0:48:35.800 and she's got an iPad of some very interesting footage 0:48:35.840 --> 0:48:40.000 taken from outside of Wes Brownstone and she is ready 0:48:40.000 --> 0:48:43.280 to show Stone a little movie and so he's looking 0:48:43.280 --> 0:48:45.200 at it and it's just this guy who we don't 0:48:45.200 --> 0:48:48.960 really see throwing a throwing something down a sewer, and 0:48:49.160 --> 0:48:50.800 Stone's like, oh, it looks like somebody getting rid of 0:48:50.800 --> 0:48:53.279 a murder weapon. And then she goes keep watching and 0:48:53.320 --> 0:48:55.680 then done done. He turns and looks in the direction 0:48:55.760 --> 0:48:57.960 of the camera and it's Cassidy. So they've got Cassidy 0:48:58.000 --> 0:49:03.040 on fucking camera throwing something down a sewer drain. So 0:49:03.120 --> 0:49:05.759 now Stone is confronting Live because like, so you know, 0:49:05.920 --> 0:49:08.800 the vice is moving in on Live here the vice grip, 0:49:09.360 --> 0:49:11.680 so they found a hat with blood on it in 0:49:11.719 --> 0:49:14.520 the sewer, So Cassidy was wearing a hat and there 0:49:14.560 --> 0:49:15.880 was blood on it and that's what he was getting 0:49:15.960 --> 0:49:18.080 rid of. And then Stone is like, and you you 0:49:18.160 --> 0:49:20.319 two used to date, Like no one told me this, 0:49:21.000 --> 0:49:23.880 So he's like, Cassidy hasn't been home in two days, 0:49:23.920 --> 0:49:26.440 any idea where he is? And then at that exact moment, 0:49:26.520 --> 0:49:29.319 Cassidy's like, he's right here, and he shows up and 0:49:29.360 --> 0:49:31.399 like Mike drops a bag of bloody clothes in front 0:49:31.440 --> 0:49:34.719 of them, and then Lives like, I'll bring him to interrogation, 0:49:34.800 --> 0:49:37.560 and Stone's like, back off, You're not going anywhere near 0:49:37.600 --> 0:49:37.919 this guy. 0:49:38.000 --> 0:49:39.920 So you can like advise him and tell him what 0:49:40.000 --> 0:49:40.239 to do. 0:49:40.719 --> 0:49:44.040 Finn, come get him, take him to interrogation, and he 0:49:44.239 --> 0:49:49.200 tells Lvia to call Detective Holiday. So in interrogation with 0:49:49.239 --> 0:49:53.360 Detective Holiday, Cassidy is doing like his usual yell talking, 0:49:53.560 --> 0:49:56.600 like everything's very one out with Cassidy in this episode. 0:49:56.640 --> 0:50:01.000 He's just like scream talking and is like it's still 0:50:01.040 --> 0:50:05.760 like a sexy, raspy voice, you know, No, he definitely 0:50:05.760 --> 0:50:09.800 still has something about him. But so Live is talking 0:50:09.800 --> 0:50:11.560 to Stone, and she's like, I could have done this, 0:50:11.600 --> 0:50:13.640 Like I could have done this interrogation in Stones like 0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:15.160 did you think I was gonna let you interrogate your 0:50:15.160 --> 0:50:18.759 ex boyfriend? You're insane? And then Live confesses that Cassidy's 0:50:18.760 --> 0:50:20.440 been staying at her place, so even more of a 0:50:20.480 --> 0:50:22.160 reason why of course you shouldn't. 0:50:21.760 --> 0:50:22.200 Have done this. 0:50:22.880 --> 0:50:26.600 And then Cassidy is talking to Holliday and is like, 0:50:26.600 --> 0:50:28.480 why would I kill this guy when I threatened him 0:50:28.480 --> 0:50:30.680 an open court in front of a dozen reporters. And 0:50:30.680 --> 0:50:33.160 then they had this back and forth where he's like, 0:50:33.600 --> 0:50:35.200 why wouldn't I have just shot him? And She's like, 0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:37.200 you know, we would have traced your gun. Like there's 0:50:37.239 --> 0:50:39.600 all this back and forth, and then she just is 0:50:39.640 --> 0:50:41.680 like I just think you're another cop killing an unarmed 0:50:41.680 --> 0:50:44.080 black man. And she doesn't really care about the pedophile 0:50:44.080 --> 0:50:47.080 angle of this at all. She like, she really doesn't 0:50:47.120 --> 0:50:48.719 like that it's a white like that she thinks it's 0:50:48.719 --> 0:50:50.080 a white man that killed a black man, but not 0:50:50.160 --> 0:50:53.480 that this man possibly molested you know, many many children. 0:50:54.000 --> 0:50:56.480 And so Cassidy's like, I think I'll take my iab 0:50:56.640 --> 0:51:00.319 rep now and live in holiday have a little like 0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:04.680 head to head, but Holliday's point is, do you have 0:51:04.719 --> 0:51:07.239 any other suspects? I didn't think so, like if you've 0:51:07.239 --> 0:51:09.120 got someone else, but right now it's looking like your 0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:13.760 ex boyfriend. And then Stone's like, arrest Cassidy for murder. 0:51:13.920 --> 0:51:18.080 So it's not looking great here for Cassidy. And then 0:51:18.239 --> 0:51:21.040 Finn tries to approach Stone and he's like, yo, go 0:51:21.160 --> 0:51:24.120 easy on Live. Finn's like, I'm not a part of this, 0:51:24.280 --> 0:51:26.000 but I would have been if Live had asked me to. 0:51:26.239 --> 0:51:29.200 And Stone's like, okay, great, you're all criminals and they're 0:51:29.200 --> 0:51:31.120 like no, we're all just best friends that work at 0:51:31.160 --> 0:51:34.399 the Law and Order SBU sixteenth Precinct together. And then 0:51:35.360 --> 0:51:39.120 Finn explains how Live does shit and he's like, there's 0:51:39.160 --> 0:51:40.759 just no way she would have gone through all this 0:51:40.800 --> 0:51:44.600 for him if she thought he was guilty. And then 0:51:44.840 --> 0:51:47.280 Justice Finn is talking to Live, going this looks pretty 0:51:47.320 --> 0:51:49.640 bad for you. And it's kind of like an all 0:51:49.640 --> 0:51:52.800 as Lost moment in this episode. The CSU tech walks 0:51:52.800 --> 0:51:54.680 in and I forgot to mention this guy earlier. He's 0:51:54.760 --> 0:51:58.480 kind of like a sort of like a hipstery dorky 0:51:58.719 --> 0:51:59.759 kind of CSU guy. 0:51:59.760 --> 0:52:00.719 I kind of like him. 0:52:00.800 --> 0:52:02.520 Well, I love him, and you know what movie he's 0:52:02.560 --> 0:52:04.880 from what Harry at the Spy. 0:52:05.360 --> 0:52:07.680 He's like the door key Boy and Harry at the Spy. 0:52:08.280 --> 0:52:10.759 Oh okay, says who was like one of the og 0:52:10.920 --> 0:52:12.480 friends that then turns against her. 0:52:12.600 --> 0:52:16.279 But yeah, his face hasn't changed in decades. He's well, 0:52:16.360 --> 0:52:17.799 he's still into the spy way. 0:52:18.200 --> 0:52:24.120 Yeah. So he's there with you know as always, like 0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:26.200 when there's this moment of like what's going to happen, 0:52:26.280 --> 0:52:29.200 usually Melinda walks in, someone walks in with like DNA 0:52:29.360 --> 0:52:33.799 or some kind of a it's gonna yeah, someone's gonna 0:52:33.800 --> 0:52:35.720 come in and blow the roof off the whole Joel 0:52:35.840 --> 0:52:36.480 dela Fente. 0:52:36.600 --> 0:52:39.040 I mean, we know so many CSU two we do. 0:52:40.400 --> 0:52:43.239 So he says that there are trace amounts of other 0:52:43.320 --> 0:52:45.000 DNA at the crime scene, and they're like, is it 0:52:45.040 --> 0:52:46.920 anyone in the system, And he's like, not unless you've 0:52:46.960 --> 0:52:49.400 got a database for SeaWorld. Okay, maybe I don't like 0:52:49.480 --> 0:52:52.160 him as much. And and essentially the DNA is from 0:52:52.160 --> 0:52:55.960 a fish. So Finn remembers something from Stone's prep files 0:52:55.960 --> 0:52:58.880 at that moment, perfect perfect, that these little details just 0:52:58.920 --> 0:53:02.760 pop into all their heads, and he said, I remember 0:53:02.800 --> 0:53:05.160 Sammy Price once went to doctor West with a fish 0:53:05.160 --> 0:53:07.440 hook injury, like he had gotten sliced by a fishhook 0:53:07.440 --> 0:53:10.080 on the arm or something, and Finn's like, where there 0:53:10.080 --> 0:53:12.279 are fish hooks, there could be a fishing knife. And 0:53:13.520 --> 0:53:16.160 they none of them really think that Sammy's mom is 0:53:16.160 --> 0:53:19.200 the fishing type. But does she have a boyfriend? And 0:53:19.239 --> 0:53:21.359 then Cariesy remembers that when they had gone to visit 0:53:21.400 --> 0:53:24.600 her to talk about how doctor Wes was dead, she 0:53:24.719 --> 0:53:29.640 was washing two wineglasses. Ooh, earlier evidence laid out. So 0:53:29.680 --> 0:53:31.319 they go talk to her and she's like, yeah, my 0:53:31.360 --> 0:53:34.319 friend Glanville was over here. He comes over time to time. 0:53:34.360 --> 0:53:35.799 You got a feeling that maybe there's like a slight 0:53:35.880 --> 0:53:38.240 romance going on between them, and he takes my kids 0:53:38.239 --> 0:53:41.239 fishing all the time. And so then Glanville is like 0:53:41.360 --> 0:53:44.359 willingly showing them his fishing supplies, and Ice is like, 0:53:44.600 --> 0:53:46.919 where's the bait knife and he's like, it's not in there, 0:53:47.520 --> 0:53:50.880 And that's not good news for Glanville. So at the 0:53:50.880 --> 0:53:52.920 top of act four they bring in Glanville. He's in 0:53:53.000 --> 0:53:56.120 cuffs and yeah, it's not a great look for to 0:53:56.160 --> 0:53:58.919 have your fishing knife go missing. So then the mom 0:53:59.000 --> 0:54:00.960 is saying that he would never do this. Live and 0:54:01.040 --> 0:54:04.440 Rollins are talking to the boys, Sammy and Reggie, and 0:54:04.480 --> 0:54:06.399 they're like, he didn't even know about the trial till 0:54:06.400 --> 0:54:06.879 the next day. 0:54:06.920 --> 0:54:07.920 It's not Glanville. 0:54:08.840 --> 0:54:12.320 And then Live notices Reggie sitting on the couch playing 0:54:12.360 --> 0:54:15.839 with a fidget spinner. Everyone remember the fidget spinners from 0:54:15.880 --> 0:54:18.440 a few years ago, And this is truly one of 0:54:18.440 --> 0:54:20.760 the greatest leaps of all time. Like she just sees 0:54:20.760 --> 0:54:23.920 a fidget spinner and is like, huh, I wonder if 0:54:23.960 --> 0:54:27.440 that bloody washer Cassidy gave me, We'll fit into that 0:54:27.480 --> 0:54:30.200 fidget spinner. So she's like, can I see that for 0:54:30.239 --> 0:54:32.560 a second, And she notices that the little area of 0:54:32.560 --> 0:54:35.840 the fidget spinner is the exact same size as the 0:54:35.920 --> 0:54:39.640 ring Cassidy found in his boot. One of the biggest 0:54:39.680 --> 0:54:42.480 evident chery leaps I've ever seen on the show before. Like, 0:54:42.600 --> 0:54:43.600 it's truly wild. 0:54:43.719 --> 0:54:46.680 Now I'm glad the fidget spinner got a moment to shine. 0:54:46.760 --> 0:54:49.920 Yeah this sure, Okay, it's gonna come and go with 0:54:50.000 --> 0:54:51.800 every other trend of little toys. 0:54:51.840 --> 0:54:55.240 You know that happens, that becomes popular, but it will 0:54:55.239 --> 0:54:56.080 live on forever. 0:54:56.520 --> 0:54:58.600 How have they never had. How have they never had 0:54:58.600 --> 0:55:00.960 a Tamagotchi. I would love to to see it be like, well, 0:55:01.320 --> 0:55:03.640 time of death must be two am because her Tomagatchi 0:55:03.760 --> 0:55:05.719 was dead by seven am because she didn't feed it, 0:55:05.840 --> 0:55:09.480 like I would love to see Tomagotchi folded into it. 0:55:09.600 --> 0:55:11.040 That Maybe that's for my specscript. 0:55:11.200 --> 0:55:13.319 I mean yeah, if warn Light doesn't hire you off 0:55:13.320 --> 0:55:15.120 of that alone, I don't know what's gonna happen. 0:55:15.480 --> 0:55:17.680 Wait, should we write an episode and submit it? 0:55:18.280 --> 0:55:20.880 I mean, not a bad idea, we know exactly how 0:55:20.920 --> 0:55:21.880 they go create it. 0:55:21.960 --> 0:55:25.800 Let's write a VU episode. We should you. 0:55:25.840 --> 0:55:31.759 I'm gonna take some casting liberties, bring some people in 0:55:31.800 --> 0:55:35.640 and out. Suddenly there's like a hardcore pornographic fucking scene 0:55:35.680 --> 0:55:38.239 with rollins and coreesy. People are like, Wow, something really 0:55:38.280 --> 0:55:42.640 happened on SVU. A turn, A real turn. She getting fisted, 0:55:42.800 --> 0:55:43.960 you know, but. 0:55:47.480 --> 0:55:52.040 Oh my god, stay tuned for Lisa's episode Everybody, season 0:55:52.080 --> 0:55:55.879 twenty five. Okay, So, in the next scene, we see 0:55:56.000 --> 0:55:59.680 Stone popping that little ring right onto the fidget spinner 0:56:00.040 --> 0:56:02.319 while he's talking to someone about being a Mets fan. 0:56:03.080 --> 0:56:03.960 Camera moves. 0:56:04.040 --> 0:56:07.440 It's Reggie, the older brother, who was played by Brett Gray. 0:56:07.560 --> 0:56:09.600 He's a real cutie and he really doesn't want to 0:56:09.640 --> 0:56:10.560 talk about baseball. 0:56:11.160 --> 0:56:13.120 And Stone's like, you know, I used to play for 0:56:13.160 --> 0:56:15.080 the Cubs and then I got an injury and blah 0:56:15.080 --> 0:56:18.320 blah blah. My whole identity was baseball, and I blamed myself, 0:56:18.360 --> 0:56:22.280 but there was no one to blame. So he's trying 0:56:22.280 --> 0:56:24.080 to get this kid to open up and it works, 0:56:24.320 --> 0:56:26.520 and he's like, I was so mad. I didn't know 0:56:26.560 --> 0:56:28.279 to where to put my anger, kind of like with 0:56:28.280 --> 0:56:31.320 Sammy and doctor West. And Reggie's like, what happened to 0:56:31.360 --> 0:56:34.320 Sammy is my fault? And doctor Stone is like, well, 0:56:34.400 --> 0:56:36.920 you couldn't have known what was going on, and Reggie's like, yeah, 0:56:36.960 --> 0:56:39.680 I actually did, and I didn't do anything to protect him. 0:56:39.719 --> 0:56:41.000 And they're like what do you mean, And he's like, 0:56:41.080 --> 0:56:44.839 I was also a patient of doctor West. So now 0:56:44.840 --> 0:56:49.040 we're finding out Reggie's a victim as well. And he 0:56:49.120 --> 0:56:51.560 said he was eleven when his dad walked out and 0:56:51.600 --> 0:56:53.759 his mom was crying all the time. I couldn't tell 0:56:53.760 --> 0:56:56.759 her what was happening because she was so sad all 0:56:56.800 --> 0:56:58.120 the time. I didn't want to make it work, Like 0:56:58.160 --> 0:57:00.799 it's just very very sad that like a kid felt 0:57:00.840 --> 0:57:03.640 like he couldn't go to his parents and it's and 0:57:03.680 --> 0:57:05.439 he's a victim too, and so. 0:57:05.360 --> 0:57:06.280 He didn't tell anyone. 0:57:06.360 --> 0:57:08.040 He says he didn't want people to think he was 0:57:08.080 --> 0:57:09.600 gay or that he liked it, and he didn't want 0:57:09.640 --> 0:57:11.239 his friends to find out. And he says that the 0:57:11.239 --> 0:57:16.160 abuse went on for a year and then doctor West 0:57:16.160 --> 0:57:19.400 trying to buy him off, like really set him off, 0:57:19.520 --> 0:57:21.880 Like putting that envelope under the door, like that set 0:57:21.920 --> 0:57:23.520 him off. But also the fact that the mom was 0:57:23.600 --> 0:57:25.960 going to send Sammy to North Carolina because no word 0:57:26.000 --> 0:57:28.560 about sending Reggie. And you've already seen just in the 0:57:28.600 --> 0:57:31.280 few scenes they've been together. They're always together, they're hanging out, 0:57:31.320 --> 0:57:33.440 They're very close to these brothers. So he's like, I 0:57:33.480 --> 0:57:35.360 had to do something. I couldn't let him get away 0:57:35.360 --> 0:57:38.320 with this again. And the mom is like, how Like 0:57:38.400 --> 0:57:39.160 you see the mom. 0:57:39.040 --> 0:57:40.000 Through the one way mirror. 0:57:40.000 --> 0:57:43.480 He's basically doing this whole confession to the one way glass. 0:57:43.760 --> 0:57:45.800 So on the other side, his mom is watching him 0:57:46.160 --> 0:57:48.040 and she's like, how did I miss this? Like and 0:57:48.120 --> 0:57:52.080 she's so devastated. It's really really sad. But my feeling 0:57:52.200 --> 0:57:54.840 is in the real world, and I know it's a 0:57:54.840 --> 0:57:56.960 television show. But in the real world, if this kid 0:57:56.960 --> 0:57:58.560 had a lawyer, which he absolutely should have had a 0:57:58.600 --> 0:58:01.440 lawyer immediately, they would have nothing on him. There's like 0:58:01.560 --> 0:58:04.320 no chain of custody with the fidget spinner. It's a 0:58:04.520 --> 0:58:09.439 very weak, uh like connection, you know, like, oh, where 0:58:09.440 --> 0:58:11.960 did that There are one thousand million fidget spinners in 0:58:12.000 --> 0:58:14.200 this city, Like, where did that one come from? It 0:58:14.240 --> 0:58:16.600 was in the boot of this detective who also didn't 0:58:16.720 --> 0:58:18.480 was accused of doing the crime. Like, I just don't 0:58:18.520 --> 0:58:20.439 think it would hold up. I don't think Reggie would 0:58:20.440 --> 0:58:23.560 have seen a second of jail time if he hadn't 0:58:23.840 --> 0:58:25.640 confessed to everything, which he died. 0:58:25.840 --> 0:58:28.480 Yeah, but if she gets a lawyer even after you 0:58:28.680 --> 0:58:31.960 now you got me thinking, because it's like he's underage 0:58:32.040 --> 0:58:34.040 and they were not interviewing him as a suspect. 0:58:34.120 --> 0:58:35.440 The mom wouldn't have approved that. 0:58:35.520 --> 0:58:38.760 So they're talking to a minor without a lawyer, without 0:58:38.760 --> 0:58:41.919 parental approval, without acknowledging that he's a suspect of the case. 0:58:41.960 --> 0:58:45.400 So I think the confession could be thrown out as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:58:46.040 --> 0:58:49.080 I'm liking this because I'm so worried for him. But 0:58:49.120 --> 0:58:52.200 you're right, the fidget spinner was chain of cust It's like, yes. 0:58:52.240 --> 0:58:55.040 Yeah, it's just like that's the only physical evidence linking 0:58:55.120 --> 0:58:58.960 him unless they go in like if there's footage of 0:59:00.160 --> 0:59:02.480 the knife, sure, I bet he ditched the knife. We 0:59:02.560 --> 0:59:04.360 never find the knife again, we never talk about the 0:59:04.400 --> 0:59:08.200 knife again, and then it maybe they found footage of him, 0:59:08.240 --> 0:59:11.680 since they did have footage of what's his name, Cassidy, 0:59:11.840 --> 0:59:13.280 So but I think that kid could have kept his 0:59:13.320 --> 0:59:15.959 mouth shut and walked. But whatever, this is a TV show. 0:59:16.000 --> 0:59:19.600 So we get this beautiful, like tragic scene of him 0:59:19.800 --> 0:59:23.720 doing his confession, and then in the next scene, Stone 0:59:23.720 --> 0:59:27.480 and Cassidy are getting a drink at some very swanky 0:59:27.520 --> 0:59:31.400 bar and Cassidy is like really pushing for Stone to 0:59:31.400 --> 0:59:34.120 go easy on Reggie, like don't punish him too badly, 0:59:34.320 --> 0:59:36.720 and he's like, this kid's gonna be quote unquote chasing 0:59:36.760 --> 0:59:38.840 demons away the rest of his life, which you don't 0:59:38.840 --> 0:59:41.280 often hear the name of the episode right in the 0:59:41.680 --> 0:59:44.960 in a sentence, and there it is, and Cassidy does 0:59:45.000 --> 0:59:47.680 this like whole monologue about the aftermath of abuse, and 0:59:47.840 --> 0:59:51.480 Stone is like, oh, okay, I get it, like Olivia 0:59:51.560 --> 0:59:55.720 never told me, and Cassidy goes, Olivia didn't know, and 0:59:55.760 --> 0:59:58.000 he's like, that's why I left SVU all those years ago. 0:59:58.040 --> 0:59:59.960 I just couldn't handle it. And he says it was 1:00:00.080 --> 1:00:02.520 his little league coach. It went on for a couple months. 1:00:02.960 --> 1:00:04.760 His dad found out and beat the shit out of 1:00:04.800 --> 1:00:07.960 the guy. So Stone is like, I'll see what I 1:00:08.000 --> 1:00:10.479 can do about Reggie. So it seems like Stone's gonna 1:00:10.480 --> 1:00:13.280 try to go easy on Reggie, but like, who knows. 1:00:14.360 --> 1:00:17.120 Then Cassidy leaves the bar, runs into Live on the Street, 1:00:17.160 --> 1:00:19.160 who I guess is on her way to meet Stone. 1:00:19.160 --> 1:00:21.760 I guess Cassidy was just kind of like bombing their meeting, 1:00:22.280 --> 1:00:26.600 and he apologizes for like putting her in that position 1:00:26.640 --> 1:00:28.920 and getting her all involved, and she's like, you would 1:00:28.920 --> 1:00:31.040 have done the same for me, And then he goes 1:00:31.080 --> 1:00:33.840 into all the Noah shit and lives like, don't even 1:00:33.920 --> 1:00:36.440 and he goes, I wasn't airing your dirty laundry to 1:00:36.480 --> 1:00:39.040 the DA, I was airing my own. I was trying 1:00:39.080 --> 1:00:41.440 to explain to Morrison, who I think is the guy 1:00:41.440 --> 1:00:44.640 who was investigating her, what happened between you and I 1:00:45.040 --> 1:00:47.080 and I had no idea you were under investigation. 1:00:47.160 --> 1:00:48.640 I would never do anything to hurt. 1:00:48.600 --> 1:00:50.880 Noah or you, and then he goes, come on, you 1:00:50.920 --> 1:00:53.440 were the love of my life, and that like takes 1:00:53.560 --> 1:00:54.439 Live a back. 1:00:54.560 --> 1:00:55.880 She's very shocked to hear. 1:00:55.800 --> 1:00:59.440 That, and she's like, I don't really know what I'm 1:00:59.480 --> 1:01:01.880 supposed to do with this information right now. And he's like, 1:01:02.000 --> 1:01:03.960 you gotta admit you were never going to bear your 1:01:04.000 --> 1:01:04.520 soul to me. 1:01:04.600 --> 1:01:05.160 Am I right? 1:01:05.280 --> 1:01:08.520 And she goes, yeah, you're right, like I never was, 1:01:09.240 --> 1:01:11.400 So we were never going to work out basically, and 1:01:11.440 --> 1:01:14.840 then they hug it out and Live walks into this 1:01:14.920 --> 1:01:17.880 swankie bar and then she looks back to go to like, 1:01:17.960 --> 1:01:20.160 you know, get a little look back and see Cassidy 1:01:20.200 --> 1:01:21.480 one more time and he's gone. 1:01:22.200 --> 1:01:26.360 And that's dick wolf Baby. Very good episode. 1:01:27.200 --> 1:01:31.320 So yeah, a touching, sad episode, a lot of a 1:01:31.320 --> 1:01:33.920 lot of a big twist. I really didn't expect that, 1:01:34.240 --> 1:01:37.640 and I don't know anything about the crime it's based on. 1:01:37.800 --> 1:01:41.840 So after a few words from our sponsors, Lisa will 1:01:41.840 --> 1:01:49.320 take us on that journey. 1:01:55.680 --> 1:01:57.040 Okay, welcome back. 1:01:57.120 --> 1:02:01.400 So this is one of the worst cases I've ever researched. 1:02:01.960 --> 1:02:05.120 I think you guys will be not surprised slash surprised 1:02:05.200 --> 1:02:08.360 at how much oversight and how people just let shit 1:02:08.400 --> 1:02:09.760 happen for fucking decades. 1:02:09.880 --> 1:02:12.240 So this is about Earl Bradley. 1:02:12.800 --> 1:02:15.840 He is a former pediatrician from Delaware, and he's a 1:02:15.880 --> 1:02:19.800 convicted child rapist and some say he's the worst pedophile 1:02:20.280 --> 1:02:24.040 in American history. But of course the Gymnastics Association is 1:02:24.040 --> 1:02:26.439 trying to beat the record as fast as they can. 1:02:27.840 --> 1:02:29.640 But you know, I talked to her about this, like, 1:02:30.120 --> 1:02:32.880 this case is so fucked up, one of the worst 1:02:32.920 --> 1:02:36.000 things I've ever read. Impossible to find information about it. 1:02:36.040 --> 1:02:39.680 I had to subscribe to Delaware Painbers. New York Times 1:02:39.680 --> 1:02:41.640 did not have one thing I could even find, Like 1:02:42.040 --> 1:02:44.480 for a case this huge, maybe the Larry Nassar it 1:02:44.520 --> 1:02:46.400 was just because it was the Olympics and like these 1:02:46.400 --> 1:02:48.600 gymnasts that we really love and admire. 1:02:49.680 --> 1:02:50.439 That it broke out. 1:02:50.440 --> 1:02:52.560 But the amount of victims in this case and how 1:02:52.560 --> 1:02:56.960 horrific this is and what this shows about a lot 1:02:56.960 --> 1:03:00.520 of law, I'm just shocked that I really had to 1:03:00.560 --> 1:03:05.560 dig and it's get ready, I guess, is what I'm saying. 1:03:05.600 --> 1:03:08.040 So he was indicted in twenty ten on four hundred 1:03:08.080 --> 1:03:11.840 and seventy one charges of molesting, raping, and exploiting one 1:03:11.920 --> 1:03:16.040 hundred and three child patients, but over fourteen hundred identified 1:03:16.080 --> 1:03:17.200 victims do exist. 1:03:17.600 --> 1:03:18.640 Oh my god. 1:03:19.160 --> 1:03:23.120 So yeah, so he wasn't charged for all of it, 1:03:23.200 --> 1:03:26.480 but a lot. And this is really hard and it's 1:03:26.560 --> 1:03:29.000 kind of like the priest situation where people trust their 1:03:29.000 --> 1:03:33.240 pediatricians instinctively and that helps kind of get away with abuse. 1:03:33.320 --> 1:03:34.600 For as long as he did. 1:03:35.160 --> 1:03:39.200 He was the chief of pediatrics at I hate It's 1:03:39.280 --> 1:03:42.520 be Baby, be Baby, the baby. It's like a funny name, 1:03:42.600 --> 1:03:44.440 and there's like a baby dressed as a bee. 1:03:44.800 --> 1:03:47.880 Whatever. So, so he. 1:03:47.960 --> 1:03:50.960 Was the chief of pediatrics at this medical center in 1:03:50.960 --> 1:03:54.000 Sussex County, Delaware, and then he opened his own practice 1:03:54.000 --> 1:03:55.680 called Babyes that's. 1:03:55.480 --> 1:03:55.920 What it is. 1:03:56.320 --> 1:03:58.640 And these babies were dressed as bees, but so it 1:03:58.680 --> 1:04:03.200 looked really cute. They had Volkswagen bugs with little decorations 1:04:03.200 --> 1:04:05.280 in the parking lot. It was like this boy like 1:04:05.600 --> 1:04:10.360 it looked like a real fun pediatric office background on him, 1:04:10.400 --> 1:04:13.240 just like what they say, kind of. He was a loner, 1:04:14.080 --> 1:04:17.800 very intelligent, which makes him more dangerous. He's evil and 1:04:17.840 --> 1:04:20.760 has never ever shown any remorse for any of his actions. 1:04:21.800 --> 1:04:26.120 Classic like his mom's raging alcoholic and then his dad's 1:04:26.120 --> 1:04:30.120 stockpiled photos of naked girls, so I don't know how 1:04:30.160 --> 1:04:32.960 he grew up. And his uncle, actually, at age eighty seven, 1:04:33.080 --> 1:04:36.600 was convicted of exposing himself to young girls in central Pennsylvania. 1:04:37.160 --> 1:04:39.560 So he comes from a long line of creeps. I think. 1:04:40.440 --> 1:04:43.800 First accusations go as far back as nineteen ninety five, 1:04:43.880 --> 1:04:47.080 when he was completing his residency, a mom walked in 1:04:47.160 --> 1:04:50.000 on him with his hand down her two year old's diaper, 1:04:50.120 --> 1:04:52.840 and she reported it to the police, but after a 1:04:52.840 --> 1:04:55.800 brief investigation there was not sufficient evidence in the case 1:04:55.880 --> 1:04:56.360 was dropped. 1:04:56.520 --> 1:04:59.520 Okay, I'm not victim blaming in any way. 1:04:59.560 --> 1:05:01.840 I'm just curious as to why you wouldn't be in 1:05:01.880 --> 1:05:03.360 the room with a two year. 1:05:03.280 --> 1:05:05.040 Old like a ten year old. 1:05:05.040 --> 1:05:07.160 I understand, if they're getting their physical and they're a boy, 1:05:07.200 --> 1:05:09.320 a mom would probably step out of the room maybe, 1:05:09.320 --> 1:05:11.080 but like a two year old, I'm in the room 1:05:11.120 --> 1:05:13.680 the whole time. My pediatricians never alone with my kids. 1:05:14.160 --> 1:05:14.920 I'm just wondering. 1:05:15.040 --> 1:05:17.120 So there's a lot of stuff. He actually did some 1:05:17.160 --> 1:05:19.000 of this in front of the parents as well. 1:05:19.400 --> 1:05:22.440 Oh that's that's like the gymnastics guys too, apparently. 1:05:22.760 --> 1:05:27.200 Yeah, and then also with the leaving alone. Obviously, I 1:05:27.200 --> 1:05:31.040 get that you would. So he basically his molesting he 1:05:31.080 --> 1:05:33.600 had like a room in the basement filled with prizes 1:05:33.680 --> 1:05:37.480 and toys and lollipops and all this fun stuff. So 1:05:37.600 --> 1:05:39.640 his thing was to be like, oh, why don't you 1:05:39.680 --> 1:05:41.760 go pay? Do you want to present? 1:05:42.400 --> 1:05:45.240 Yeah? I gotcha, and you trust your pediatrician. 1:05:45.760 --> 1:05:48.600 Yeah, And so he would take the children to this 1:05:48.800 --> 1:05:52.720 room and molest them while the parents were just outside. 1:05:53.120 --> 1:05:56.080 Oh so that's kind of all of it. 1:05:56.360 --> 1:05:59.520 The mom all like did call him a sick bastard, 1:06:00.080 --> 1:06:02.480 and then he accused her of extortion, and that was 1:06:02.560 --> 1:06:04.400 kind of his way out of it. But no one 1:06:04.400 --> 1:06:06.680 also did anything, so who cares. But he was accused 1:06:06.680 --> 1:06:09.120 of this abuse in Pennsylvania, so he just moved to Delaware. 1:06:09.680 --> 1:06:11.840 Oh my god. So he had that accusation and he went, 1:06:11.880 --> 1:06:12.520 I'm out of here. 1:06:13.120 --> 1:06:15.560 In nineteen ninety six, a nurse complained that Earl may 1:06:15.560 --> 1:06:18.960 have been inappropriately touching young female patients when taking your 1:06:19.040 --> 1:06:23.240 en samples. Again, nobody did anything, and then in nineteen 1:06:23.280 --> 1:06:27.439 ninety eight started this like big path of hundreds of victims. 1:06:27.960 --> 1:06:29.840 Were they mostly female? Yes? 1:06:30.080 --> 1:06:35.840 Yeah, it was one hundred and two female and one boy. Wow, 1:06:36.240 --> 1:06:39.200 but that's that's what the ones charged. So we don't 1:06:39.280 --> 1:06:42.200 know the like thousand plus, but the ones charged it 1:06:42.280 --> 1:06:45.240 was ninety nine percent of female. 1:06:46.280 --> 1:06:47.000 So yeah, So in. 1:06:47.040 --> 1:06:49.440 Nineteen eighty eight started like this big path with hundreds 1:06:49.480 --> 1:06:52.840 of victims because it was determined in an internal review 1:06:52.880 --> 1:06:57.200 that his techniques were within mainstream of current pediatric practices, 1:06:57.640 --> 1:06:59.960 and he continued to work at the hospital till two 1:07:00.040 --> 1:07:05.280 thousand and nine. One mother said that he digitally penetrated 1:07:05.280 --> 1:07:07.840 her daughter while she was in the room, and she 1:07:07.920 --> 1:07:10.760 was like, what are you doing? And he had no concern. 1:07:10.840 --> 1:07:12.640 He wasn't even nervous. He's like, oh, I'm just checking 1:07:12.640 --> 1:07:15.720 the hymen. And she didn't report it until she learned 1:07:15.800 --> 1:07:17.880 other parents had seen the same thing happen to their 1:07:17.960 --> 1:07:21.000 children and actually complained. There was a complaint to police 1:07:21.000 --> 1:07:23.000 in two thousand and three and two thousand and nine, 1:07:23.120 --> 1:07:27.240 nothing happened, And not only did nothing happen, he was 1:07:27.280 --> 1:07:30.360 able to punish and turn it around on parents. So 1:07:30.480 --> 1:07:32.640 one parent said that her eighteen month old was doing 1:07:32.720 --> 1:07:35.600 things in the bathtub that were not normal, and so 1:07:36.120 --> 1:07:37.080 she asked. 1:07:36.760 --> 1:07:37.720 The doctor about it. 1:07:38.000 --> 1:07:39.920 The doctor left the room, came back and said he 1:07:39.960 --> 1:07:43.320 contacted the Children's Advocacy Center of Delaware and that he 1:07:43.360 --> 1:07:45.440 would not let the mother leave his office until she 1:07:45.480 --> 1:07:48.080 spoke with the center because someone could be sexually harming 1:07:48.120 --> 1:07:48.760 her daughter. 1:07:49.040 --> 1:07:52.040 And it was him. I mean, that's like evil, evil, evil. 1:07:52.400 --> 1:07:54.880 Yeah, he didn't allow her to hold her child and 1:07:54.920 --> 1:07:57.000 made the nurses watch the kid and threaten to call 1:07:57.040 --> 1:07:59.720 the police on the mother, So she was separated from 1:07:59.720 --> 1:08:02.120 an their hour from her child as she was on 1:08:02.160 --> 1:08:04.160 the phone with the center, and again nothing came of it, 1:08:04.200 --> 1:08:07.600 and nothing was resolved. One mother said, and I'm I'm 1:08:07.640 --> 1:08:10.440 saying all of them, so we understand what how much 1:08:10.600 --> 1:08:14.680 people fucking get away with and the idea of sufficient 1:08:14.720 --> 1:08:17.000 evidence or whatever the system is like fuck it, Like 1:08:17.200 --> 1:08:18.360 things need to change. 1:08:18.400 --> 1:08:19.720 This is so fucked up. 1:08:20.439 --> 1:08:22.200 So one mother said, she put her three year old 1:08:22.280 --> 1:08:24.479 kid in the car seat and the kid asked, why 1:08:24.520 --> 1:08:27.519 did doctor Bradley kiss my tongue? And they called the 1:08:27.520 --> 1:08:31.120 police that day, but prosecutors and police concluded there wasn't 1:08:31.240 --> 1:08:34.400 enough evidence to charge him even and there wasn't enough 1:08:34.400 --> 1:08:37.639 to get a search warrant, So that was that. Then 1:08:37.680 --> 1:08:40.679 she and her husband were advised to stay quiet because 1:08:40.680 --> 1:08:42.400 Bradley can sue them for slander. 1:08:43.439 --> 1:08:44.200 So they were and. 1:08:44.120 --> 1:08:46.760 He's picking kids that are like you know, three is 1:08:46.800 --> 1:08:49.160 like verbal. But it's not like you couldn't ever testify 1:08:49.200 --> 1:08:51.520 on the stand, you know, like yep. 1:08:51.520 --> 1:08:55.080 Ugh, Yeah, nothing was done, no action, And like you said, 1:08:55.120 --> 1:08:57.400 not only on young children, but he was smart in 1:08:57.400 --> 1:08:59.719 the ways of that. He prayed on lower income families, 1:09:00.200 --> 1:09:04.200 mother homes, people that were more vulnerable. And he also 1:09:05.160 --> 1:09:08.200 did not charge lower income patients for office visits and 1:09:08.320 --> 1:09:11.280 asked that the bills be paid out of his own salary. 1:09:12.400 --> 1:09:15.280 So he was this hero that was paying for poor 1:09:15.280 --> 1:09:17.759 people to come see him. Oh my god. 1:09:18.200 --> 1:09:20.679 He was caught in twenty ten, like us, after years 1:09:20.720 --> 1:09:23.320 in the field and thousands of patients seen one hundred 1:09:23.360 --> 1:09:25.960 and three child patients, one hundred and two girls, one boy, 1:09:26.840 --> 1:09:30.320 and some as young as three months old. This was 1:09:30.360 --> 1:09:33.360 around thirteen, but like you said, the average age of 1:09:33.400 --> 1:09:36.080 abuse was three years old. So what happened was while 1:09:36.120 --> 1:09:39.000 parents paid their bills, he led infants to a hidden, 1:09:39.800 --> 1:09:45.280 video monitored room, violated these children while muzzling their shrieks 1:09:45.280 --> 1:09:49.519 and sometimes sedating them with nitrous oxide. And he had 1:09:49.560 --> 1:09:52.280 toys and there was like Pinocchio everywhere in Little Mermaid 1:09:52.479 --> 1:09:55.200 and Candy and ice Cream, and it was just kind 1:09:55.200 --> 1:10:00.360 of part of the office. And again, you trust is 1:10:00.479 --> 1:10:07.519 kind of implicitly. So after finally obtaining a warrant, the 1:10:07.560 --> 1:10:10.160 police found video evidence of his crimes in his house. 1:10:10.200 --> 1:10:13.200 There were thirteen hours of footage of himself chasing and 1:10:13.240 --> 1:10:19.160 sexually abusing his victims extreme violence. Oh my god, if 1:10:19.200 --> 1:10:21.840 you want to fast forward, yeah, if you want to 1:10:21.840 --> 1:10:25.160 fast forward, this is like thirty seconds or a minute, 1:10:25.240 --> 1:10:26.439 Like this is pretty fucked up. 1:10:27.040 --> 1:10:29.960 But it's also like, again, this guy probably would have 1:10:29.960 --> 1:10:31.639 gone away with it if he wasn't such a fucking 1:10:31.680 --> 1:10:33.920 sick fuck that needed to have it on video, you 1:10:33.920 --> 1:10:36.679 know what I mean, Like you the need to watch 1:10:36.720 --> 1:10:40.080 yourself do these like horrible crimes is like, oh my god. 1:10:40.320 --> 1:10:42.040 Yeah, even though people said it, but it's like, so 1:10:42.080 --> 1:10:44.280 what evidence do you need? So the kid said this 1:10:44.360 --> 1:10:45.360 guy touched it. 1:10:45.240 --> 1:10:45.400 Like. 1:10:47.360 --> 1:10:51.120 Fine, then come up with a better system, like what, yeah, 1:10:51.160 --> 1:10:53.520 you know what I mean, Like, I just don't understand 1:10:53.560 --> 1:10:57.040 how it's like, oh well that's it, Like yeah, what 1:10:57.040 --> 1:11:00.040 what I just I don't understand that. So, like, I 1:11:00.240 --> 1:11:02.040 this is pretty fuck So victims were on the verge 1:11:02.040 --> 1:11:04.599 of blacking out turning blue. He forced like he would 1:11:04.680 --> 1:11:07.320 choke them and like hold them down to perform oral 1:11:07.360 --> 1:11:12.439 on him. Some like children and diapers are screaming in terror. 1:11:13.560 --> 1:11:16.599 There is a girl on video being raped four times 1:11:16.640 --> 1:11:18.680 before she turned the age of two, Like the age 1:11:18.720 --> 1:11:22.920 is awful. It's like terrible stuff. And you know we 1:11:22.960 --> 1:11:25.840 talk about the mom in the SVU episode where it's 1:11:25.920 --> 1:11:29.240 like the pain and hector, the hector's dad and these 1:11:29.280 --> 1:11:31.360 parents being upset, and that's so much of the rage 1:11:31.400 --> 1:11:33.800 and guilt. Like obviously these children have trauma for years 1:11:33.880 --> 1:11:37.000 to come, but like being a parent and like knowing 1:11:37.040 --> 1:11:39.479 that you're sitting in the other room reading a magazine 1:11:39.520 --> 1:11:41.800 as this is happening, is like, of course. 1:11:42.000 --> 1:11:44.879 Oh this is like making me feel sick. Yeah. 1:11:44.920 --> 1:11:49.280 So, and the lawyers and detectives were forced to watch 1:11:49.320 --> 1:11:53.160 all of this footage are still here the screen like 1:11:53.240 --> 1:11:56.479 they are haunted for life. And then five of the 1:11:56.600 --> 1:12:00.719 Sussex County forensic interviewers that were responsible for rehabing details 1:12:00.720 --> 1:12:03.400 with victims over several months all quit. 1:12:03.720 --> 1:12:04.679 They all quit their job. 1:12:04.920 --> 1:12:07.000 Yeah, Like I can barely hear you talk about this 1:12:07.160 --> 1:12:10.200 right now, Like I can't imagine like, yeah, staying on 1:12:10.240 --> 1:12:10.799 the job. 1:12:11.040 --> 1:12:15.040 How is this not national news? I don't understand how. 1:12:15.000 --> 1:12:17.000 Is I mean, Delaware did a lot because of Bo 1:12:17.120 --> 1:12:20.200 Biden and he will talk about him and a lot 1:12:20.320 --> 1:12:23.800 of legislation and shit changed. But the fact that this 1:12:23.960 --> 1:12:26.000 is not I mean, we know why, you know, it's 1:12:26.000 --> 1:12:28.240 the same thing over and over, Like we fucking do 1:12:28.320 --> 1:12:30.759 this every week and every week is just like victims 1:12:30.880 --> 1:12:33.960 not being believed and people getting away with this crime 1:12:34.000 --> 1:12:37.040 for so long, and we do talk about this a lot. 1:12:37.360 --> 1:12:41.520 There's a reason he became a pediatrician and not a radiologist. Yeah, 1:12:41.600 --> 1:12:45.839 we have to remember that people like this seek jobs 1:12:45.960 --> 1:12:50.240 with children and hopefully for them, positions of power that 1:12:50.320 --> 1:12:52.240 demand trust and respect, like priests. 1:12:52.400 --> 1:12:54.879 And do you be guilty? 1:12:55.040 --> 1:12:56.800 Do you like, are you supposed to be suspicious of 1:12:56.840 --> 1:12:59.000 every doctor and anyone that's a teacher who works with 1:12:59.120 --> 1:13:02.719 children like I Which just how do you balance having 1:13:02.760 --> 1:13:04.760 an open mind in the world and living with an 1:13:04.800 --> 1:13:06.880 open heart and then knowing that these things go on? 1:13:07.479 --> 1:13:09.679 Yeah, and you have to protect your children. 1:13:10.560 --> 1:13:13.240 This motherfucker, even with the video evidence, pled not guilty 1:13:14.000 --> 1:13:17.559 like scum. This person is scum. He played the blame game. 1:13:17.680 --> 1:13:21.200 He's like you know, the police didn't do this. He 1:13:21.280 --> 1:13:24.960 criticized the warrant. He said that the warrant didn't actually 1:13:25.680 --> 1:13:30.160 like comprehend where the videos were, like all of this stuff, 1:13:30.160 --> 1:13:33.479 and he kept trying to appeal, appeal, appeal constantly, And 1:13:33.520 --> 1:13:35.960 then they did move the trial to a different place 1:13:36.600 --> 1:13:41.320 because so many people's children were affected. So it's not 1:13:41.360 --> 1:13:45.080 a big town. So it's not a big town at all. 1:13:45.160 --> 1:13:48.559 It's a tiny state. And they couldn't find a like 1:13:49.000 --> 1:13:53.599 they could be touched. Yeah, So they moved from Sussex 1:13:53.600 --> 1:13:56.479 County to Newcastle and on June twenty third, twenty eleven, 1:13:56.520 --> 1:13:58.880 he was indicted on four hundred and seventy one charges. 1:13:58.920 --> 1:14:02.040 He got obviously like life, life, life, life, fourteen life 1:14:02.120 --> 1:14:05.160 sentences plus one hundred and sixty four years. They moved 1:14:05.240 --> 1:14:07.559 him out of Delaware to serve his time because a 1:14:07.560 --> 1:14:10.639 lot of his victims were serving time in the facility. 1:14:10.760 --> 1:14:11.879 Oh my god. 1:14:13.720 --> 1:14:15.640 Yeah, because he just set off like the cycle of 1:14:15.680 --> 1:14:19.360 abuse for fourteen hundred children, Like, oh my god. 1:14:19.680 --> 1:14:23.160 We couldn't even go to jail in the town because 1:14:23.280 --> 1:14:28.360 so many victims Like Okay, So he's at the Cheshire 1:14:28.400 --> 1:14:31.760 Correctional Institution in Connecticut, something that Kara is not going 1:14:31.840 --> 1:14:32.000 to be. 1:14:32.120 --> 1:14:34.200 You know, I'm from Connecticut. This isn't the moment. 1:14:34.600 --> 1:14:37.479 No, but there are very famous murders that happened in Cheshire, 1:14:37.479 --> 1:14:41.000 Connecticut that we will be covering. Oh really episode yes, yeah, 1:14:41.600 --> 1:14:43.000 because there's ans for you about it. 1:14:44.160 --> 1:14:47.200 On September sixth, twenty twelve, the Supreme Court of Delaware 1:14:47.320 --> 1:14:50.760 firm the conviction. But this fucker just kept on appealing, like. 1:14:52.680 --> 1:14:55.080 Who is defending him? Like, how is he getting a lawyer? 1:14:55.200 --> 1:14:55.320 Well? 1:14:55.360 --> 1:14:57.360 You know what's wild? And I thought about this, he 1:14:57.439 --> 1:15:02.720 had basic defenders. What are they called public defenders? Yeah? 1:15:02.760 --> 1:15:05.160 Wow, because I'm sure like no one would do it, 1:15:05.800 --> 1:15:07.400 No one, you public defender. 1:15:07.120 --> 1:15:09.800 Has to do it. Yeah, so that's what he said. 1:15:09.840 --> 1:15:11.880 He goes, I was denied my choice of attorney and 1:15:11.920 --> 1:15:14.000 the ones that were provided to me were ineffective. 1:15:14.400 --> 1:15:18.000 But it's like you're rich, so that yeah cares. That's 1:15:18.000 --> 1:15:18.639 how it works. 1:15:19.960 --> 1:15:24.280 So according to the law firm that handled the civil cases, 1:15:25.120 --> 1:15:27.639 they settled for one hundred and twenty three million dollars 1:15:27.680 --> 1:15:31.040 for all the former victims of Earl, and not every 1:15:31.120 --> 1:15:34.240 victim got the same and they were like, how do 1:15:34.280 --> 1:15:38.880 you quantify it? But like the more extreme cases, people 1:15:38.880 --> 1:15:43.160 got around half a million dollars and then some was 1:15:43.240 --> 1:15:45.680 around one to two thousand, so it really varied, but 1:15:45.720 --> 1:15:47.519 one hundred and twenty three million is a lot of money. 1:15:48.640 --> 1:15:51.920 The money came from the Medical Center, hospital insures, the 1:15:51.960 --> 1:15:57.240 Medical Society of Delaware, and other defendants who were motherfuckers 1:15:57.240 --> 1:16:00.639 who knew and didn't do anything about it. They did 1:16:00.680 --> 1:16:05.439 demolish the doctor's office in twenty seventeen. They wanted it gone, 1:16:05.760 --> 1:16:09.200 and they fought hard to do it, and considering there's victims. 1:16:08.800 --> 1:16:10.680 Everywhere, they just they wanted to demolish it. 1:16:12.040 --> 1:16:14.880 Delaware did make dramatic changes in how they investigate and 1:16:14.920 --> 1:16:18.280 punish doctors. So the case led to the General Assembly 1:16:18.320 --> 1:16:20.759 passing a series of laws known as the Bradley Bills, 1:16:21.320 --> 1:16:25.280 and bo Biden led this was like the lead prosecutor 1:16:25.360 --> 1:16:30.200 for all of this, Like he truly revolutionized what happened 1:16:30.200 --> 1:16:33.240 in Delaware and protective of children. I didn't know much 1:16:33.240 --> 1:16:36.120 about bo Biden outside of like his father being sad 1:16:36.160 --> 1:16:39.639 that his child is dead, but it was just nice 1:16:39.640 --> 1:16:41.800 to read about this person that I've heard his name about. 1:16:41.880 --> 1:16:48.400 So so he created the Child Predator Task Force as 1:16:48.400 --> 1:16:53.479 soon as he took office and pre like Bradley Bills, 1:16:53.680 --> 1:16:56.120 forty eight doctors were disciplined by the state and since 1:16:56.160 --> 1:16:58.479 then like one hundred and seventy eight halfs so more 1:16:58.520 --> 1:17:02.320 and more people are getting caught in like being taken seriously. 1:17:02.560 --> 1:17:04.960 Because like if you if you listened to like any 1:17:05.000 --> 1:17:07.679 podcasts about this, like Doctor Death or like the second 1:17:07.680 --> 1:17:10.080 season of Doctor Death was like about this doctor who 1:17:10.200 --> 1:17:12.719 was just fully telling people they had cancer when they didn't, 1:17:12.760 --> 1:17:16.240 and like nurses were reporting him, like and they just 1:17:16.280 --> 1:17:19.840 weren't doing anything, you know, like this is Michigan, Like 1:17:19.880 --> 1:17:23.360 obviously it's probably state level unfortunately, but doctors can get 1:17:23.400 --> 1:17:24.920 away with so so much. 1:17:25.360 --> 1:17:28.160 Well yeah, because the boards in the review people are 1:17:28.240 --> 1:17:32.639 other doctors. Yeah, and you'll hear some quotes that'll make 1:17:32.680 --> 1:17:35.760 you pretty pissed off. But it made it easier for 1:17:35.800 --> 1:17:38.360 the states to suspend the license of a doctor. And 1:17:38.439 --> 1:17:41.760 it also, which I find very important, increased finds imposed 1:17:41.840 --> 1:17:45.439 on people who fail to report suspicious conduct. This was 1:17:45.439 --> 1:17:48.120 inspired because they found out doctors not only suspected it, 1:17:48.160 --> 1:17:50.240 but would make jokes about it. It was a running 1:17:50.320 --> 1:17:54.040 joke that he was a rapist. Former president of the 1:17:54.040 --> 1:17:57.160 Medical Society of Delaware said it was really a poke 1:17:57.200 --> 1:18:00.800 in the eye to all physicians like this, like he's 1:18:00.800 --> 1:18:05.400 still defending it, Like this dude, like fuck you these doctors. 1:18:05.600 --> 1:18:09.120 I mean, not that women can't be predators at all, 1:18:09.240 --> 1:18:13.160 but like I don't go to men, yeah ever, unless 1:18:13.200 --> 1:18:15.000 I really have to it's a young person, but like 1:18:15.280 --> 1:18:16.960 I always request female doctors. 1:18:17.200 --> 1:18:18.639 Yeah, all my doctors are women. 1:18:18.800 --> 1:18:21.000 Because we covered the Honey episode where it's like this 1:18:21.040 --> 1:18:24.360 woman had evident and like fought so hard to get 1:18:24.360 --> 1:18:28.040 this doctor convicted. Then he's convicted also raping his stepdaughter. 1:18:28.439 --> 1:18:32.400 Still the town is fucking behind this doctor. So this 1:18:32.479 --> 1:18:36.520 guy the like the former president of the medical Society, 1:18:36.600 --> 1:18:40.160 He also said he thinks it's too strict and he 1:18:40.320 --> 1:18:43.880 just believes that the policies they have are already fair 1:18:43.920 --> 1:18:46.679 and strict, and especially like they do a good job 1:18:46.800 --> 1:18:51.200 on unethical subscribing of medication prescribing of medication, but like 1:18:51.840 --> 1:18:54.080 what does that have to do with molesting yea and 1:18:54.120 --> 1:18:57.240 thousands of like what are you talking about? Someone that 1:18:57.360 --> 1:19:02.360 needs to fucking investigate this guy. Outside of this like 1:19:02.400 --> 1:19:04.080 head guy of the medical thing, a handful of the 1:19:04.120 --> 1:19:07.120 local doctors were implicated in the case for not reporting 1:19:07.479 --> 1:19:11.320 the behavior. They all still hold active medical licenses. They 1:19:11.360 --> 1:19:15.040 had no disciplinary actions according to state records. So it's like, 1:19:15.080 --> 1:19:17.360 of course, there needs to be more strict laws and 1:19:17.439 --> 1:19:20.719 review boards and like whatever needs to happen. Considering local 1:19:20.760 --> 1:19:25.120 doctors were implicated, they knew, they didn't report behavior, still 1:19:25.160 --> 1:19:27.559 are able to practice medicine on children. 1:19:28.760 --> 1:19:31.200 Yeah, sorry, bro, I think it needs to be more strict. 1:19:32.760 --> 1:19:34.040 So James P. 1:19:34.200 --> 1:19:38.400 Marvel Junior was an orthopedic surgeon, and he was a 1:19:38.439 --> 1:19:41.519 two time president of the State Medical Society, and he 1:19:41.600 --> 1:19:44.280 was a grandson of the Bebes co founder. 1:19:44.640 --> 1:19:48.080 I think it's just bib Is it just bibe? Okay? Yeah, 1:19:48.439 --> 1:19:52.040 like Bebes kids. Okay, Bibess. 1:19:52.320 --> 1:19:54.920 I I don't even know what it is. 1:19:54.960 --> 1:19:58.240 I only know about it because of you. Yeah, baby's kids. 1:19:58.840 --> 1:20:03.639 So Bibes co founder defended Bradley's record to the police 1:20:03.720 --> 1:20:08.120 and failed to investigate multiple allegations against the pediatricians inappropriate behavior. 1:20:08.560 --> 1:20:12.080 And it's impossible to like reach for comments, but we 1:20:12.080 --> 1:20:13.160 should investigate him. 1:20:14.120 --> 1:20:16.200 The victims are dealing with long lasting effects. 1:20:16.280 --> 1:20:19.439 Of course, you know, we talk a lot about the 1:20:19.479 --> 1:20:22.240 long lasting effects. Things can happen, Like you don't trust 1:20:22.320 --> 1:20:26.600 authority fear of intimacy, They get entangled in abusive relationships, 1:20:26.640 --> 1:20:29.960 hooked on drugs, alcohol, and suffer in a state of 1:20:30.000 --> 1:20:34.400 perpetual high alert. Patti Daily Lewis, who is the executive 1:20:34.400 --> 1:20:36.840 director of the Bo Biden Foundation, said that she had 1:20:36.880 --> 1:20:39.920 a man push her up against a wall and say 1:20:39.960 --> 1:20:43.040 how she was ruining a man's life in defense of 1:20:43.120 --> 1:20:43.639 the doctor. 1:20:44.080 --> 1:20:47.479 And he said, you better have video, and they did. 1:20:47.920 --> 1:20:52.000 So what now, dude, why are we so willing to 1:20:52.040 --> 1:20:53.120 defend rapists? 1:20:53.360 --> 1:20:55.880 Yeah, it has to literally be video. It's like video 1:20:55.960 --> 1:20:56.680 or nothing. 1:20:56.439 --> 1:21:00.040 Because it happens constantly, constantly, are we this is so 1:21:00.120 --> 1:21:04.439 stating to pretend this doesn't happen, Like I overly believe everything. 1:21:04.439 --> 1:21:06.400 Now I don't give a shit, Like, are you kidding me? 1:21:06.439 --> 1:21:11.920 Pushing the investigator up against a wall? Hmm, it's disgusting. 1:21:13.479 --> 1:21:18.240 Child advocate doctor Eli Neuberg. He is a professor at 1:21:18.439 --> 1:21:19.839 Harvard Medical School. 1:21:20.320 --> 1:21:22.160 Hello Neil Bear connect. 1:21:23.320 --> 1:21:26.000 He mentioned that there is a reluctance to act because 1:21:26.000 --> 1:21:28.160 if the purp is one of their colleagues and the 1:21:28.240 --> 1:21:31.920 reporting would ruin that man's life and career, so they 1:21:31.960 --> 1:21:34.519 would much sooner just not report it, even if it 1:21:34.680 --> 1:21:37.599 endangers children, no comment. 1:21:37.960 --> 1:21:41.360 Remember the Hippocratic oath is first do no harm, Like 1:21:41.760 --> 1:21:43.839 you're doing harm by not reporting. 1:21:44.479 --> 1:21:46.320 Yeah, I would really like to know what your mom 1:21:46.439 --> 1:21:49.479 feels about this case or thoughts are like inside information. 1:21:49.640 --> 1:21:51.800 I will ask her about it. I'll ask him out 1:21:51.800 --> 1:21:52.800 if about it. 1:21:52.800 --> 1:21:56.639 Like why don't all pediatricians learn about this in school? 1:21:56.680 --> 1:21:59.280 Like are people learning about this in medical school? And 1:21:59.320 --> 1:22:01.320 like what happens the signs? Like what the fuck? 1:22:02.240 --> 1:22:03.880 Yeah? 1:22:04.200 --> 1:22:08.160 The state now also requires physicians to undergo state and 1:22:08.200 --> 1:22:11.680 federal background checks and will revoke licenses of those who 1:22:11.720 --> 1:22:15.599 are convicted of felony sex offense, which seems pretty basic, 1:22:15.720 --> 1:22:17.080 but back like, that's what I meant. 1:22:17.120 --> 1:22:19.559 He left from Pennsylvania to. 1:22:19.600 --> 1:22:21.880 Delaware, and I found a few other cases of people 1:22:21.920 --> 1:22:25.000 just moving states. It's very connected, like the priests and 1:22:25.040 --> 1:22:27.080 the medical boards are all different states to states, so 1:22:27.120 --> 1:22:29.519 you can kind of just keep running around molesting people. 1:22:31.120 --> 1:22:35.200 The disciplinary process became more transparent as well. The hearings 1:22:35.680 --> 1:22:38.920 used to be held in like an executive session, and 1:22:39.000 --> 1:22:41.599 now they are public and complaints filed by the state. 1:22:41.680 --> 1:22:44.880 Disciplinary orders and consent agreements are available on the state's 1:22:44.920 --> 1:22:50.679 Licensed Verification website, but for doctors only see it if 1:22:51.560 --> 1:22:54.840 the board takes discipline against them, But for nurses and 1:22:54.960 --> 1:22:58.880 chiropractors it's public even before the hearing happens, which I 1:22:58.920 --> 1:22:59.639 don't understand. 1:23:00.080 --> 1:23:04.400 They get different privileges. Yeah, doctors probably, you know, obviously not. 1:23:04.720 --> 1:23:07.679 But doctors and pilots seem to have the same vibe 1:23:07.720 --> 1:23:12.000 to me, like God complexes, I can save everything, everyone 1:23:12.080 --> 1:23:15.519 needs me to be here like. They act like that, 1:23:15.600 --> 1:23:17.240 so I guess they get treated like that, and then 1:23:17.280 --> 1:23:18.679 all the nurses are doing all the work. 1:23:19.320 --> 1:23:21.240 Yea truly patient care. 1:23:22.360 --> 1:23:25.160 But nationwide it's STI really hard to judge the problems 1:23:25.439 --> 1:23:28.639 because doctors benefit from self regulating. It's a self regulating 1:23:28.680 --> 1:23:32.400 profession and all, and it's a secretive disciplinary process, so 1:23:32.439 --> 1:23:34.840 it's like all these doctors just deciding for each other 1:23:34.880 --> 1:23:38.080 if they are Britists or not. The twenty sixteen Atlanta 1:23:38.160 --> 1:23:42.080 Journal Constitution and Investigation found that the system shielded Bradley 1:23:42.120 --> 1:23:45.040 from at least eight accusations of sexual misconduct from nineteen 1:23:45.080 --> 1:23:47.799 ninety four to two thousand and nine. Also, the hospital 1:23:47.840 --> 1:23:51.599 has now instituted a robust internal reporting and oversight process 1:23:51.640 --> 1:23:54.479 to respond to allegations of doctor abuse. 1:23:54.479 --> 1:23:56.639 According to senior executives at the hospital. 1:23:56.680 --> 1:23:58.960 But lol, like I don't believe it, but they do 1:23:59.040 --> 1:24:03.280 now require chaperones on any intimate exams on patients under 1:24:03.280 --> 1:24:09.519 the age of sixteen. And let's all remember, unfortunately sixty 1:24:09.560 --> 1:24:13.800 percent of children are abused by people that the family. 1:24:13.400 --> 1:24:14.639 Trusts and knows. 1:24:14.920 --> 1:24:18.760 So I don't know, again, how do you be suspicious 1:24:18.800 --> 1:24:22.280 constantly and vigilant and open hearted and what do you do? 1:24:22.600 --> 1:24:24.960 And uh yeah, obviously when you're like, I would never 1:24:25.040 --> 1:24:27.840 leave my kid, Like, if you're listening, I don't know how. 1:24:27.680 --> 1:24:29.400 You leave your kid alone at a doctor's office of 1:24:29.439 --> 1:24:32.639 it or ever. Again, Yeah, I don't know. I would never. 1:24:33.200 --> 1:24:35.519 But at the same time, there's a million parents that 1:24:35.560 --> 1:24:38.160 are like, I was vigilant, I never did anything, and 1:24:38.160 --> 1:24:40.479 this still happened to my kid, you know, like there's just. 1:24:40.640 --> 1:24:41.760 Oh yeah, not blaming them. 1:24:41.800 --> 1:24:44.160 I'm just saying no, no, I know it's precautions, and 1:24:44.200 --> 1:24:46.120 it's just like, yeah, I was a parent hearing this, 1:24:46.160 --> 1:24:47.960 I would never leave a doctor room again ever. 1:24:48.520 --> 1:24:50.880 Yeah. 1:24:50.920 --> 1:24:53.439 So yeah, I'm just like really upset that there's not 1:24:53.560 --> 1:24:54.800 more information about this. 1:24:55.080 --> 1:24:57.640 I'm yeah, like I don't understand why this isn't like 1:24:57.760 --> 1:24:59.759 up with Manson like this is horrible. 1:25:00.479 --> 1:25:02.000 Yeah, I think. 1:25:01.840 --> 1:25:05.000 Sometimes honestly, there are cases like this that are just 1:25:05.080 --> 1:25:08.320 so horrific that it's like the huge like society like 1:25:08.360 --> 1:25:09.760 can't handle hearing about it. 1:25:09.880 --> 1:25:10.600 And there's still me. 1:25:10.640 --> 1:25:13.200 And remember the Larry Nasar case, Like people were mad 1:25:13.200 --> 1:25:15.800 that the judge was a bitch. Do you remember that, 1:25:15.840 --> 1:25:18.799 People were like that judge is being really judgy and bitchy, 1:25:18.880 --> 1:25:21.120 Like people were mad at the female judge. 1:25:20.840 --> 1:25:23.120 For being not nice to Larry Nassar or. 1:25:23.439 --> 1:25:29.799 Yeah, and just like the way everyone treated Simone Biles 1:25:29.840 --> 1:25:34.040 when she exited out of the Olympics and being so 1:25:34.200 --> 1:25:36.720 mad at her and you toughen it out and you 1:25:36.760 --> 1:25:41.000 play sports and be at champion, like totally negating and 1:25:41.040 --> 1:25:44.439 not acknowledging the years of systematic abuse these athletes have 1:25:44.520 --> 1:25:51.280 gone through. And how we just refuse to help stop 1:25:51.320 --> 1:25:53.880 the systems of abuse or symptoms of abuse, but also 1:25:53.960 --> 1:25:57.639 like disregard it and don't like it's just fucked, it's 1:25:57.640 --> 1:25:58.040 just fucked. 1:25:58.040 --> 1:25:59.360 I don't know how we do this, to be honest, 1:25:59.400 --> 1:26:02.720 they really yeah, yeah, all right, well I. 1:26:02.720 --> 1:26:04.479 Researched this all day and then I went to do 1:26:04.560 --> 1:26:05.800 shows and people are like, what did you do? All 1:26:05.880 --> 1:26:07.280 day and then I start talking about it, and then 1:26:07.280 --> 1:26:08.760 I see all their faces and I go, oh yeah, 1:26:08.760 --> 1:26:12.920 I can't just like tell people this. People are eating 1:26:13.000 --> 1:26:15.920 chicken tenders, dipping sauces, and then everyone's just upset. 1:26:17.760 --> 1:26:22.479 But we do have a like see a lovely interview, 1:26:22.760 --> 1:26:25.760 such a good interview that's gonna cheer you right up. 1:26:26.520 --> 1:26:31.639 This guest really like we left smiling, We left smiling, happy, 1:26:31.760 --> 1:26:32.719 a dream person. 1:26:33.439 --> 1:26:36.599 And I think you guys are gonna love this. 1:26:36.520 --> 1:26:39.160 Guest, like we're ready for you to go, you know, 1:26:39.280 --> 1:26:42.599 back up on the roller coaster after this interview, So see. 1:26:42.400 --> 1:26:43.280 It in a sec. 1:26:50.479 --> 1:26:52.879 We always have fun talking to our guests, but today 1:26:53.040 --> 1:26:56.479 we really had the best time talking to this actor. 1:26:56.640 --> 1:26:58.080 He is very accomplished. 1:26:58.080 --> 1:27:01.600 He's known for his role as Jamal on Netflix's On 1:27:01.720 --> 1:27:04.679 My Block, and you can hear his vocal stylings both 1:27:04.680 --> 1:27:07.120 as a singer and as a voice on the animated 1:27:07.160 --> 1:27:10.200 series Star Trek Prodigy. But you know him from today's 1:27:10.200 --> 1:27:12.800 episode as Reggie Price. Guys, we had the best time 1:27:12.840 --> 1:27:13.960 talking to Brett Gray. 1:27:15.160 --> 1:27:16.759 Oh my gosh, Bett, thank. 1:27:16.520 --> 1:27:19.719 You so much for being here doing tech stuff. 1:27:19.840 --> 1:27:22.760 I love that you guys are obsessed with law and 1:27:22.880 --> 1:27:27.280 orders because me, you are too. You know, I don't 1:27:27.280 --> 1:27:30.479 know if I actually am or if everyone generally is 1:27:30.520 --> 1:27:33.360 and has just seen millions of episodes because they're always 1:27:33.400 --> 1:27:36.280 on yeh, but I like to think I'm I'm obsessed. 1:27:37.000 --> 1:27:39.200 So when you got the part or even the audition, 1:27:39.320 --> 1:27:41.240 do you remember being super jazzed? 1:27:41.840 --> 1:27:42.640 Are you kidding me? 1:27:42.800 --> 1:27:42.920 Like? 1:27:42.960 --> 1:27:46.960 I also feel like any actor like coming out of 1:27:47.000 --> 1:27:49.480 New York City Law and Order is like a staple. 1:27:49.960 --> 1:27:52.080 Like if you don't have a Law and Order episode, 1:27:52.080 --> 1:27:54.200 you have not made it as a like film or 1:27:54.200 --> 1:27:57.520 television actor yet in New York City? 1:27:58.040 --> 1:28:00.479 Who are you most excited to me? Do you have 1:28:00.520 --> 1:28:02.479 any scoop? I guess we'll start right away. 1:28:02.520 --> 1:28:06.760 So like really, of course, Marishka because like what like 1:28:06.880 --> 1:28:09.880 I'm sure everyone says that, but also Ice, I was 1:28:09.920 --> 1:28:14.759 really nervous. Yeah, everybody was super cool. Ice like taught 1:28:14.760 --> 1:28:20.160 me how to make crack in our kitchen, was like 1:28:20.240 --> 1:28:22.639 give me the ingredients of the lowdown and like telling 1:28:22.640 --> 1:28:24.639 me what to use and stuff like that, just while 1:28:24.680 --> 1:28:27.080 they were setting up the shot. And then uh, like 1:28:27.160 --> 1:28:29.120 Mariska played basketball with us. 1:28:28.960 --> 1:28:32.000 And ate everyone to pieces he could. 1:28:32.680 --> 1:28:35.679 He scored more than any other person on the crew 1:28:35.720 --> 1:28:38.160 that was playing with us, and like the younger brother 1:28:38.320 --> 1:28:41.439 character of mine, and at like a certain point, I 1:28:41.520 --> 1:28:42.439 just ended up just. 1:28:42.360 --> 1:28:44.360 Like being like, forget it. 1:28:44.400 --> 1:28:46.360 I'm not gonna be good like I'm just gonna sit 1:28:46.400 --> 1:28:48.200 down and watch her do it. 1:28:48.560 --> 1:28:50.160 That's the most shocking thing we've heard. 1:28:50.320 --> 1:28:53.000 But no one has ever told us anything about Marishka's 1:28:53.040 --> 1:28:54.080 athletic abilities. 1:28:55.080 --> 1:28:58.880 I'm not like breaching an NDA or something or like, No, 1:28:59.320 --> 1:29:01.200 the risk of fans are going to come and like 1:29:01.320 --> 1:29:02.080 find me now. 1:29:02.160 --> 1:29:04.479 They're happy to know this, so they love like that 1:29:04.760 --> 1:29:08.640 kind of info. Yeah, where are you though? Is it 1:29:08.640 --> 1:29:10.240 a concrete What's where are you? 1:29:13.680 --> 1:29:17.240 This is my apartment and it's super like industrial. 1:29:17.439 --> 1:29:20.679 It's like right outside the bridge in my city. 1:29:21.080 --> 1:29:23.160 So I get like a total like riverview, but the 1:29:23.200 --> 1:29:24.799 ceiling is concrete. 1:29:24.960 --> 1:29:26.439 Where are you in New York? Philly? 1:29:26.600 --> 1:29:27.360 Philly? 1:29:26.960 --> 1:29:27.920 Oh Philly? 1:29:28.120 --> 1:29:30.519 Sorry, yes, I know you're from Philly. I didn't know 1:29:30.560 --> 1:29:31.639 if you were working. 1:29:31.760 --> 1:29:32.479 Yes, another, this. 1:29:32.479 --> 1:29:34.280 Is like my home base, got it? 1:29:34.600 --> 1:29:35.040 Got it? 1:29:35.160 --> 1:29:37.200 How did you make the decision for home base to 1:29:37.240 --> 1:29:40.160 be Philly versus you know the La New York Classic. 1:29:40.400 --> 1:29:43.240 Well it's close to New York, but nowhere near the 1:29:43.280 --> 1:29:44.280 price of New York. 1:29:44.720 --> 1:29:48.920 Yeah, so I really enjoy like taking my day trips 1:29:48.920 --> 1:29:52.360 to New York City and like not like my apartment 1:29:52.840 --> 1:29:56.920 here would probably be like eighteen million dollars a week 1:29:57.400 --> 1:29:59.960 in New York City. So it just made the most sense. 1:30:00.080 --> 1:30:02.479 And then I just can't do LA. I can't do it. 1:30:02.600 --> 1:30:04.600 That's where we are. But I love LA. But I 1:30:04.760 --> 1:30:07.880 see some people don't like it. It's fine, I'm. 1:30:07.520 --> 1:30:09.320 Trying to get rich so I can go back to 1:30:09.400 --> 1:30:09.800 New York. 1:30:10.680 --> 1:30:14.840 It's great to be there while i'm working, Yeah, But 1:30:14.880 --> 1:30:17.960 then like to just live there as my life, I 1:30:18.280 --> 1:30:18.880 just can't. 1:30:19.160 --> 1:30:21.479 There's something my body needs to be in motion. 1:30:22.600 --> 1:30:25.519 It seems like you are young, You're killing it. 1:30:25.840 --> 1:30:30.720 You're just really succeeding. What are the funnest moments you've 1:30:30.720 --> 1:30:33.439 had so far? We were scrolling your Instagram. You're like 1:30:33.479 --> 1:30:36.679 on the floor seats, You're on SVU, you're a series 1:30:36.720 --> 1:30:39.360 regular in a show. Tell us like the highlights of 1:30:39.400 --> 1:30:42.320 your life or since you've gotten so successful. 1:30:43.160 --> 1:30:44.920 Well, I'm glad it looks like that, because I feel 1:30:44.920 --> 1:30:46.599 like my life is falling apart every day. 1:30:49.640 --> 1:30:51.760 No, I'm just I guess I'm having the time of 1:30:51.800 --> 1:30:53.599 my life. I'm not sure yet. I guess like when 1:30:53.640 --> 1:30:55.479 I look back on this time, I'll be like, oh, 1:30:55.960 --> 1:30:59.400 I was having the time of my life, but yeah, 1:30:59.439 --> 1:31:02.479 I'm having on. It's really cool to like come from 1:31:02.479 --> 1:31:05.719 New York City and then end up like in film 1:31:05.720 --> 1:31:08.920 and TV, because in New York everyone just tells you 1:31:08.920 --> 1:31:11.719 like that's gonna be the hardest possible thing, like needling 1:31:11.760 --> 1:31:15.320 the Haysack thing, to like have any sort of film career. 1:31:16.040 --> 1:31:19.760 So that's super dope. And I love to travel, like, 1:31:19.840 --> 1:31:23.240 I love to go new places. I love food so much, 1:31:23.680 --> 1:31:26.240 and so it's been dope to like get to go around. 1:31:26.320 --> 1:31:29.559 I've been to Korea, I've been all over America at 1:31:29.560 --> 1:31:33.240 this point, Mexico. I've just had so many different experiences 1:31:33.280 --> 1:31:37.439 with other cultures and their sort of cuisine and just 1:31:37.560 --> 1:31:41.000 the civilization of it all. So that's the really fun 1:31:41.040 --> 1:31:44.120 part for me, is like collecting all of these experiences 1:31:44.160 --> 1:31:47.320 that I would never have had I not like been 1:31:47.360 --> 1:31:50.120 in film and so like even like the floor seats 1:31:50.160 --> 1:31:52.280 and stuff like that was my first football game ever, 1:31:52.640 --> 1:31:55.240 So I was like, oh, great, that's that's dope to 1:31:55.280 --> 1:31:58.479 be like on the floor seats my first game and 1:31:58.560 --> 1:32:00.920 I sang the national anthem. So it was just like, 1:32:01.200 --> 1:32:03.439 I never have to ever go back to a football 1:32:03.479 --> 1:32:05.760 game again because what's going to top that experience? 1:32:06.040 --> 1:32:06.800 Oh so it's great? 1:32:06.880 --> 1:32:10.200 Oh yeah, well okay, wait, So speaking of your singing, 1:32:10.320 --> 1:32:12.840 So I was watching your music video and I was like, oh, 1:32:12.840 --> 1:32:15.599 this guy is giving me like very big usher vibes. 1:32:15.640 --> 1:32:17.720 And then I go on your Wikipedia and it's like 1:32:18.120 --> 1:32:20.240 he thinks his music is like Usher, and I was like, well, 1:32:20.240 --> 1:32:24.519 it's working. It's obviously working because I immediately thought about Usher. 1:32:24.800 --> 1:32:26.759 So what's the story with your music? Has that always 1:32:26.800 --> 1:32:27.800 been a thing? Is that? 1:32:27.960 --> 1:32:29.559 Like are you going to try to do that? Like 1:32:29.640 --> 1:32:32.280 concurrently with acting? Is one bigger than the other in 1:32:32.320 --> 1:32:33.599 your life or what's up with that? 1:32:34.560 --> 1:32:37.479 I feel like it's one of those things where like, Okay, 1:32:38.040 --> 1:32:42.400 my first dream of what I've always been doing came true. 1:32:43.000 --> 1:32:45.640 Now like I'm trying to be like, Okay, I'm going 1:32:45.720 --> 1:32:47.360 to be selfish and see if I can do two 1:32:47.400 --> 1:32:50.360 things at the same time. And so, like I've always 1:32:50.479 --> 1:32:54.439 been in, I started off acting in like a performing 1:32:54.520 --> 1:32:57.840 arts training camp when I was like six seven, eight 1:32:58.000 --> 1:32:58.479 nine ten. 1:32:58.640 --> 1:32:59.920 All the way uptil high school. 1:33:00.200 --> 1:33:02.960 I would go every single summer after school and like 1:33:03.040 --> 1:33:07.799 on the weekends, and it would be like vocal dance, acting, 1:33:07.920 --> 1:33:10.479 we'd have like a movement class and all different types 1:33:10.479 --> 1:33:13.519 of electives, whether it be like tap or you know, 1:33:13.640 --> 1:33:18.320 African dance or martial arts, just anything like to do 1:33:18.400 --> 1:33:20.439 with your body and like a form of art that 1:33:20.479 --> 1:33:21.719 you're trying to perfect. 1:33:22.160 --> 1:33:23.120 And so like I'd. 1:33:22.960 --> 1:33:25.679 Always had like sort of a well a well rounded 1:33:25.840 --> 1:33:30.800 artistic training experience, so it doesn't necessarily feel like I 1:33:30.880 --> 1:33:32.840 have two things. It feels like I'm just trying to 1:33:32.880 --> 1:33:38.080 like fully encompass the whole world into what all I do. 1:33:38.600 --> 1:33:40.719 Because I don't even know if I would describe myself 1:33:40.760 --> 1:33:44.280 before my film career, even as an actor, I would 1:33:44.280 --> 1:33:47.080 describe it as sort of like an artist, because it 1:33:47.120 --> 1:33:49.400 would go like, ah, I have a show at this 1:33:49.479 --> 1:33:52.640 restaurant called Warm Daddy's and I'm singing, you know, a 1:33:52.720 --> 1:33:55.559 thirty minute set there of cover songs while people eat, 1:33:55.680 --> 1:33:58.240 and then next week I'm doing a commercial, and then 1:33:58.240 --> 1:34:00.519 the week after that, like I'm going to this event 1:34:00.600 --> 1:34:04.320 and talking about something. So it was like the film 1:34:04.320 --> 1:34:06.760 thing just happened to be the biggest thing once the 1:34:06.800 --> 1:34:07.439 show came. 1:34:07.800 --> 1:34:08.840 But it's always been a. 1:34:08.880 --> 1:34:11.400 Variety of all the arts in my life that have 1:34:11.520 --> 1:34:15.400 kept me sort of like affloat financially until now. 1:34:15.479 --> 1:34:20.720 Yeah, yeah, just say yes to. 1:34:19.160 --> 1:34:21.719 Say yes yes, Like now I want to say he's Regular, 1:34:21.800 --> 1:34:24.840 So you know, I don't have to necessarily have a 1:34:24.920 --> 1:34:27.200 music career, but if I can, yeah, why not? 1:34:27.880 --> 1:34:28.080 You know? 1:34:28.479 --> 1:34:30.679 So wait, okay, so let's talk about the series Regular. 1:34:30.760 --> 1:34:32.719 You're on the show on my Block with my friend 1:34:32.800 --> 1:34:33.760 Jess Garcia. 1:34:34.600 --> 1:34:38.519 I literally one of the best friends I've ever had 1:34:38.520 --> 1:34:38.920 in my mind. 1:34:38.960 --> 1:34:40.400 I love that she's so great. 1:34:40.439 --> 1:34:42.679 I worked with her on something for a while before 1:34:42.760 --> 1:34:45.000 she was on on My Block, and she like that 1:34:45.120 --> 1:34:47.720 show is like killing it, Like it's so popular. 1:34:47.880 --> 1:34:50.200 You guys are all like it's amazing. 1:34:50.240 --> 1:34:53.160 And we interviewed Paula Garcas on our podcast like a 1:34:53.200 --> 1:34:53.920 few weeks ago. 1:34:54.160 --> 1:34:57.280 She actually directed episode two of the last season. 1:34:57.360 --> 1:34:57.760 Oh yeah. 1:34:57.760 --> 1:34:59.560 She was telling us that she's been getting into the 1:34:59.600 --> 1:35:03.639 director killing the game. Yeah, so awesome. So, like, I mean, 1:35:03.640 --> 1:35:05.080 I don't know if I really have a question. I'm 1:35:05.080 --> 1:35:07.000 just kind of like on my block, what's up? Like 1:35:07.040 --> 1:35:08.520 you loving it? 1:35:08.520 --> 1:35:10.759 It's dope. I loved it. It's over. 1:35:11.000 --> 1:35:15.439 Unfortunately, Yeah, it's our season four. We just had season 1:35:15.439 --> 1:35:19.280 four like last October it was our final season, which 1:35:19.360 --> 1:35:21.680 was awesome because it was four years. I was really 1:35:21.760 --> 1:35:24.160 five years because of COVID, But I felt like that 1:35:24.200 --> 1:35:27.599 was my college experience, like on my block, me and 1:35:27.680 --> 1:35:31.080 like my friends putting on this show and sort of 1:35:31.120 --> 1:35:33.280 like learning who we were as people and who we 1:35:33.280 --> 1:35:36.760 wanted to be as actors and artists, and you know, 1:35:36.800 --> 1:35:39.720 getting to see everyone grow up from like hopping off 1:35:39.720 --> 1:35:42.479 the plane and like living together the first season and 1:35:42.520 --> 1:35:45.559 trying to like uber around and figure out the different 1:35:45.600 --> 1:35:48.840 neighborhoods in La So now everyone has their own homes and. 1:35:49.320 --> 1:35:50.280 You know, having children. 1:35:50.520 --> 1:35:54.479 Yeah, and like setting roots and like just being a 1:35:54.520 --> 1:35:56.719 part of the journey of everyone's life. 1:35:56.840 --> 1:35:58.880 It feels really dope. Like I feel like I had 1:35:58.880 --> 1:36:02.960 a very lucky, sort of like one in a million experience. 1:36:03.520 --> 1:36:04.800 Yeah, that's great. 1:36:05.360 --> 1:36:08.120 Is there anything you learned on the SVU set since 1:36:08.120 --> 1:36:09.840 it was like early on in your career that you 1:36:09.840 --> 1:36:12.840 have taken with you to your future projects. 1:36:13.160 --> 1:36:17.200 Yeah, Like, I guess, don't take things too seriously. Like 1:36:18.040 --> 1:36:20.880 observing Mariska of course, was one of the biggest reasons 1:36:20.880 --> 1:36:24.320 why I was excited about being on the show, like 1:36:24.360 --> 1:36:28.200 as opposed to also just watching the show. But there's 1:36:28.240 --> 1:36:32.360 something about her that's super comfortable and collaborative on set, 1:36:32.560 --> 1:36:34.840 and I feel like I've taken that with me now. 1:36:34.840 --> 1:36:36.920 I hope I'm not like annoying to directors and stuff, 1:36:36.920 --> 1:36:38.280 because I always like ask like. 1:36:38.240 --> 1:36:40.840 Oh, what would you think about this or whatever? They say, No, 1:36:40.920 --> 1:36:42.799 it is what it is. But you know, I always 1:36:42.800 --> 1:36:46.320 try and like, you know, collaborate in some way. 1:36:46.360 --> 1:36:48.519 And I feel like I learned that on Law and 1:36:48.640 --> 1:36:53.000 Order even before I started on my block. It just 1:36:53.120 --> 1:36:56.639 was the way she and she jokes in between unless 1:36:56.680 --> 1:36:59.720 the scene is serious, and like there's just like an 1:36:59.760 --> 1:37:04.439 old were all like ethic that she has on set 1:37:04.520 --> 1:37:10.680 that feels approachable but also professional, and so I just 1:37:10.680 --> 1:37:13.080 feel like that's how any like lead or number one 1:37:13.120 --> 1:37:15.600 on a call she should be. Like it's sort of 1:37:15.680 --> 1:37:18.920 like she fully took on the responsibility of like owning 1:37:18.960 --> 1:37:20.920 the culture of the set and making sure that it 1:37:21.040 --> 1:37:24.920 was light and you know, fun, but at the same 1:37:24.960 --> 1:37:27.719 time things were happening and even though they were happening quickly, 1:37:27.800 --> 1:37:30.120 that they were you know, being done effectively. 1:37:30.720 --> 1:37:32.800 So I always take those types of things with me, Like. 1:37:32.760 --> 1:37:34.519 When I get on a set, how I like to 1:37:34.560 --> 1:37:37.919 be to other people, what would I like the feeling 1:37:38.080 --> 1:37:40.720 to be so that it made me super comfortable. And 1:37:40.760 --> 1:37:42.360 I really felt like going on a show like that 1:37:42.400 --> 1:37:45.519 where there's millions of guests a season, it would be 1:37:45.560 --> 1:37:49.080 just sort of like you know, whenever. 1:37:48.760 --> 1:37:50.280 You go and do your thing and then leave. 1:37:50.640 --> 1:37:52.360 And it very much felt like I was a part 1:37:52.360 --> 1:37:53.840 of the family for the week that I was there. 1:37:54.200 --> 1:37:55.880 So I really appreciated that. 1:37:56.520 --> 1:37:59.040 It's just like that's overwhelmingly what people say, and it's 1:37:59.080 --> 1:38:01.559 really cool to you. Yeah, like that everyone loved feels 1:38:01.600 --> 1:38:05.080 so comfortable there. Speaking of family, I like loved your 1:38:05.120 --> 1:38:07.880 relationship with your little brother in this episode. You guys 1:38:07.920 --> 1:38:10.920 like seem like you seemed like it was so close, 1:38:11.000 --> 1:38:13.439 Like I mean, truly you killed for your little brother. 1:38:13.600 --> 1:38:17.200 So I'm like, how was it working with that actor? 1:38:17.240 --> 1:38:18.040 Like the little brother? 1:38:18.160 --> 1:38:18.639 So dope? 1:38:18.760 --> 1:38:22.360 So when I first met him, uh, we instantly clicked 1:38:22.360 --> 1:38:24.200 and I had no idea he was playing my little brother, 1:38:24.240 --> 1:38:26.320 and like we just met kind of at the audition, 1:38:26.920 --> 1:38:29.439 and I kind of think in my mind that that's 1:38:29.520 --> 1:38:31.800 kind of what they saw. Like someone in the waiting 1:38:31.880 --> 1:38:33.679 room was like, you know, those two are like playing 1:38:33.800 --> 1:38:34.240 or something. 1:38:34.880 --> 1:38:37.120 It sort of like clicks. He had this game out, 1:38:37.400 --> 1:38:38.439 Super Smash Bros. 1:38:38.520 --> 1:38:40.559 That I always used to play growing up, and I 1:38:40.640 --> 1:38:42.840 was like, I just leaned over and was like, I 1:38:42.880 --> 1:38:44.559 will kill you in this game. 1:38:45.160 --> 1:38:47.240 And from then on it was sort of just like 1:38:47.320 --> 1:38:48.280 we were actually brothers. 1:38:48.320 --> 1:38:51.720 And then his parent was there and like she was 1:38:51.760 --> 1:38:53.320 super dope and like I got to meet like some 1:38:53.400 --> 1:38:55.639 of his family and stuff, and we all did dinner 1:38:55.680 --> 1:38:56.800 before we shot. 1:38:57.080 --> 1:38:59.320 So yeah, by the time we got there, I was 1:38:59.320 --> 1:39:01.479 already kind of like, you know. 1:39:01.680 --> 1:39:03.920 Friends, do you remember where you ate? 1:39:04.240 --> 1:39:07.200 I have no idea. 1:39:07.479 --> 1:39:11.320 It was somewhere near Pier whatever that is twenty three. 1:39:12.479 --> 1:39:15.200 We'll get back to SVU. But where shoot. People get 1:39:15.200 --> 1:39:16.120 a Philly cheese steak. 1:39:16.280 --> 1:39:20.400 You're number one, honestly nowhere but Philly. That's number one. 1:39:21.160 --> 1:39:23.640 If you go to Philly, you have to go like 1:39:23.800 --> 1:39:25.920 stay away from the tourist traps, like they're gonna tell 1:39:25.960 --> 1:39:29.599 you like pets and Gino's and gyms and Lorenzo's, but 1:39:29.680 --> 1:39:32.559 it's lies. Those are just the ones closest to like 1:39:32.600 --> 1:39:36.479 the stadium, and people just go there after the stadium 1:39:36.520 --> 1:39:39.760 because there's nothing else to do. But you have to 1:39:39.800 --> 1:39:41.439 go get like a Philly cheese stake from like a 1:39:41.479 --> 1:39:44.640 true mom and pop shop in Philly. You have to 1:39:44.760 --> 1:39:46.960 kind of go sometimes to somewhere that might be a 1:39:47.000 --> 1:39:48.120 little scary. 1:39:48.160 --> 1:39:52.800 But that is where you're gonna get it anywhere, but 1:39:52.880 --> 1:39:53.679 the tourist traps. 1:39:54.000 --> 1:39:57.240 Okay, all right, great, all right, good tips. That's good tips. 1:39:58.000 --> 1:40:03.120 Yeah, your interaction your brother was amazing. Also your interaction. 1:40:03.560 --> 1:40:05.919 Did you have to learn how to fidget spin naturally? 1:40:06.080 --> 1:40:08.040 And was a fidget spinner a part of your day 1:40:08.080 --> 1:40:08.759 to day life? 1:40:09.600 --> 1:40:12.439 I had to learn how to fidget spin. I actually 1:40:12.479 --> 1:40:14.800 had no idea what it even was or what it 1:40:14.840 --> 1:40:18.800 was for. And now I guess I kind of know. 1:40:18.960 --> 1:40:21.920 It's just one of those anxious things that people do 1:40:22.000 --> 1:40:26.559 because why not. But totally was introduced to that that 1:40:26.720 --> 1:40:28.240 day and never have used it again. 1:40:28.320 --> 1:40:30.800 Yeah, but you got got from a fidget spinner, you. 1:40:30.760 --> 1:40:33.680 Know, got got from a fidget spinner. It was a 1:40:33.800 --> 1:40:38.040 nice one too. It was like heavy gold. These kids 1:40:38.040 --> 1:40:39.040 are on it. 1:40:39.160 --> 1:40:42.240 Did you ever think what happened to your character after? 1:40:42.520 --> 1:40:44.760 I hope he got a light sentence or off. I 1:40:44.800 --> 1:40:47.479 bet he would have. Do you think about that? 1:40:48.400 --> 1:40:50.479 I feel like he's one of those people who like 1:40:50.600 --> 1:40:53.200 didn't get a light light sentence and like is in 1:40:53.320 --> 1:40:55.200 jail for the rest of his life, and like now 1:40:55.240 --> 1:40:59.320 he has like tattoos, corn rose and straight back braids 1:40:59.400 --> 1:41:03.479 and like you know, stick marks from being like stabbed 1:41:03.560 --> 1:41:05.920 with toothbrushes and ship and just like. 1:41:07.360 --> 1:41:08.840 But his brother needs him. 1:41:09.280 --> 1:41:09.720 He didn't know. 1:41:10.240 --> 1:41:12.040 I do feel like he has like high levels of 1:41:12.080 --> 1:41:14.000 respect because of what happened. 1:41:14.040 --> 1:41:17.439 And I feel like maybe there was some connective tissue. 1:41:17.040 --> 1:41:21.280 To some other inmates there like that know sort of 1:41:21.320 --> 1:41:23.200 what he did and would never say it, but like 1:41:23.320 --> 1:41:28.320 respect him because they knew that whatever. But he definitely 1:41:28.320 --> 1:41:31.280 has hell tattoos and straight back graides and he wraps 1:41:31.680 --> 1:41:33.120 at this point and he's really buff. 1:41:33.720 --> 1:41:34.160 Nice. 1:41:34.600 --> 1:41:39.760 You really spoke like a true sv fan, because the episodes, 1:41:39.960 --> 1:41:42.479 do you there's some haunting heart. 1:41:43.960 --> 1:41:44.240 Fuck. 1:41:45.720 --> 1:41:47.639 Do you have any that stick out in your mind 1:41:47.840 --> 1:41:51.200 that you watch all the time or when it's on 1:41:51.280 --> 1:41:52.559 you're like, oh, hell yeah. 1:41:52.479 --> 1:41:52.880 This one. 1:41:53.320 --> 1:41:56.720 I've seen so many of them that I was absolutely 1:41:57.040 --> 1:41:59.280 devastated by that. 1:41:59.400 --> 1:42:00.880 Like I can even. 1:42:02.000 --> 1:42:05.280 I can't even myself is when like the things that 1:42:05.320 --> 1:42:07.840 really get me, or when stuff happens to Marishka like 1:42:07.920 --> 1:42:10.200 in her life on the show, and. 1:42:10.200 --> 1:42:12.720 What doesn't happen to her. I mean, everything happened to 1:42:12.760 --> 1:42:13.480 that woman. 1:42:15.240 --> 1:42:15.679 Happened. 1:42:17.040 --> 1:42:20.320 But no, I'm gonna like definitely shameless plug and say 1:42:20.360 --> 1:42:25.280 my episode because that was to me super heartbreaking. Like yeah, 1:42:25.320 --> 1:42:28.479 and Pernelle Walker, the woman who played my mother, her 1:42:28.520 --> 1:42:32.640 performance just like learning of this all and understanding was 1:42:32.720 --> 1:42:35.040 just like it's so hard for me to watch. 1:42:35.280 --> 1:42:38.639 But your confession was really really like heartbreak, Like how 1:42:38.680 --> 1:42:40.599 did you gear up for that scene? Like you had 1:42:40.640 --> 1:42:44.240 to like fully just like with I think Philip Winchester, right, 1:42:44.280 --> 1:42:46.280 is that the guys the yeah, the actor that you 1:42:46.320 --> 1:42:47.120 were with, like so. 1:42:47.320 --> 1:42:48.760 And you had to do it in front of a 1:42:48.800 --> 1:42:52.080 mirror looking at yourself crying, which see it was that hard. 1:42:52.520 --> 1:42:54.599 Oh no, that's not actually true. 1:42:54.640 --> 1:42:56.720 So what happened was so first off, this was my 1:42:56.960 --> 1:43:01.559 first day on set, so this scene how I met everyone. 1:43:01.680 --> 1:43:04.080 So I actually it was lucky that it was like. 1:43:04.080 --> 1:43:06.920 That because I was so nervous that I was very 1:43:06.960 --> 1:43:09.439 prepared and so like it was my first day and 1:43:09.479 --> 1:43:12.240 I really wanted to do a good job. So I 1:43:12.280 --> 1:43:13.840 think if it had been like day three and I've 1:43:13.880 --> 1:43:16.280 been comfortable, I wouldn't have been able to like tap 1:43:16.320 --> 1:43:20.880 into the same sort of like emotional availability. But it 1:43:20.920 --> 1:43:23.960 was super scary because when you're shooting through the two 1:43:24.000 --> 1:43:27.639 way mirror, it looks like on camera when you look 1:43:27.640 --> 1:43:30.320 at it this way, it's me, but I can actually 1:43:30.360 --> 1:43:34.720 see Marisko and Parnell on the other side watching my scene. 1:43:35.600 --> 1:43:40.200 So I'm literally staring through the mirror at them even 1:43:40.240 --> 1:43:44.560 though my reflection is there in camera, it doesn't. 1:43:44.920 --> 1:43:47.200 I don't know how that works at all. It was 1:43:47.240 --> 1:43:48.320 really really stressful. 1:43:49.320 --> 1:43:51.559 Well you killed it, thank you. 1:43:52.040 --> 1:43:55.120 And Maria actually said she's like, it's Monday morning and 1:43:55.160 --> 1:43:56.360 it's the first scene. 1:43:56.040 --> 1:43:57.720 Like, who are you? 1:43:57.720 --> 1:43:58.559 You're good? 1:43:59.120 --> 1:44:01.000 I was like, oh, thank you. I hope you're not 1:44:01.160 --> 1:44:03.160 just being nice, but even if you are, I need that. 1:44:05.880 --> 1:44:10.320 And what is what's next? 1:44:10.680 --> 1:44:13.240 Okay, I'm on a new show. It's on a very 1:44:13.360 --> 1:44:16.719 very very popular streaming platform and it's an original series, 1:44:17.120 --> 1:44:18.640 and I don't think I can say what it is, 1:44:18.640 --> 1:44:20.599 but it should be announced like within the next month 1:44:20.720 --> 1:44:20.880 or so. 1:44:22.000 --> 1:44:22.640 Amazing. 1:44:22.880 --> 1:44:27.160 The series regular again, so starting a new journey. And 1:44:27.240 --> 1:44:30.479 the character is kind of like kind of similar to 1:44:30.520 --> 1:44:32.679 what it wasn't on my block, but like a little older, 1:44:32.720 --> 1:44:34.519 a little bit more mature. He's like kind of the 1:44:34.680 --> 1:44:37.639 like he's the teenager of the group that like drives 1:44:37.680 --> 1:44:38.040 the car. 1:44:38.560 --> 1:44:42.000 So there's that like freedom sort of feeling to him 1:44:42.040 --> 1:44:43.639 and stuff like that. So I'm super excited. 1:44:43.640 --> 1:44:46.720 It's all people of color involved and like, so I'm 1:44:46.800 --> 1:44:50.200 keeping that connective tissue with like sort of the type 1:44:50.240 --> 1:44:51.280 of I want to have. 1:44:51.400 --> 1:44:54.680 So I'm excited. And then music, there's so much new 1:44:54.720 --> 1:44:56.120 music coming right now. 1:44:56.120 --> 1:44:59.760 I'm working with some like crazy incredible people that like 1:44:59.760 --> 1:45:02.400 I kind of never would have expected that. 1:45:02.439 --> 1:45:05.200 I don't really know if I can say that either, but. 1:45:05.400 --> 1:45:07.479 I love it. Keep it all a mystery, keep it all. 1:45:07.760 --> 1:45:11.160 I have worked with like super incredible, Like when I 1:45:11.200 --> 1:45:17.320 say legendary artists, the artists I will say I just 1:45:17.439 --> 1:45:19.800 like so I'm super like thankful just like sponging up 1:45:19.800 --> 1:45:21.400 all these amaz experiences. 1:45:22.800 --> 1:45:25.639 And if you were to come back to SVU, what 1:45:25.720 --> 1:45:28.080 kind of character would you like to come back? 1:45:28.640 --> 1:45:32.920 I want like a three episode arc and this time 1:45:33.040 --> 1:45:36.719 I want to play like, you know, like a young 1:45:37.360 --> 1:45:41.040 cop who knows a bunch of the kids in the neighborhood. 1:45:41.120 --> 1:45:43.000 Yeah, like maybe a U see like undercover. 1:45:43.439 --> 1:45:45.880 Yeah, And I would love to like help a kid 1:45:45.960 --> 1:45:48.800 cover something up because I believe in him or something, 1:45:48.800 --> 1:45:51.360 and then I'm in it too, and then end up 1:45:51.400 --> 1:45:52.040 back into. 1:45:52.000 --> 1:45:54.080 Oh my god, that's a great idea. Great, these are 1:45:54.080 --> 1:45:54.960 great pictures. 1:45:55.080 --> 1:46:00.280 I love it. I love it. And favorite craft service snack. 1:46:01.040 --> 1:46:02.960 Just in case no one has ever said this before. 1:46:03.040 --> 1:46:06.200 The craft services at Law and Order. It is a 1:46:06.360 --> 1:46:11.120 full almost like warehouse of just all different types of 1:46:11.360 --> 1:46:16.160 food and snacks, and there's like a live egg bar 1:46:16.800 --> 1:46:21.200 and salad bar and they will cook you like meat 1:46:21.320 --> 1:46:26.040 in front of your face. It's like ridiculous, wow, But 1:46:26.120 --> 1:46:28.600 my favorite crafty snack. I say all of that to 1:46:28.640 --> 1:46:30.680 say all of those options are available to me, and 1:46:30.720 --> 1:46:35.639 I still will do frosted flakes and some orange juice 1:46:36.280 --> 1:46:38.200 just to take back to my trailer for no reason. 1:46:38.320 --> 1:46:39.960 Yeah, I love frosted flakes. 1:46:40.000 --> 1:46:41.559 You can eat them with milk, you can eat them 1:46:41.560 --> 1:46:43.160 without without milk. 1:46:43.479 --> 1:46:46.240 It's a top five cereal and people know it. 1:46:46.320 --> 1:46:52.479 Yeah, there's like a gift of iced tea eating cereal. 1:46:52.520 --> 1:46:54.880 Have you ever seen it? He's like going like this. 1:46:55.479 --> 1:46:58.080 Well, and I did get a retweet post by him. 1:46:58.120 --> 1:47:00.439 It was exciting. I was like, what's in the bowl ice? 1:47:00.760 --> 1:47:03.320 And he wrote, you know that's the serial dance. And 1:47:04.479 --> 1:47:06.800 I celebrated that that was a big day. 1:47:08.960 --> 1:47:11.639 Well, okay, wait, speaking of social media, can we talk 1:47:11.640 --> 1:47:14.439 about your you have you have like four million followers 1:47:14.439 --> 1:47:15.519 on TikTok or something. 1:47:15.560 --> 1:47:18.519 What are you doing on there? What's bringing them all in? 1:47:18.560 --> 1:47:19.080 What are you doing? 1:47:19.120 --> 1:47:21.160 I saw you doing a handstand on your Instagram with 1:47:21.200 --> 1:47:21.880 a joint in your mouth. 1:47:21.920 --> 1:47:24.800 That was fun? Is that what? Oh? 1:47:25.040 --> 1:47:26.200 That was my trainer? 1:47:26.520 --> 1:47:29.519 But everyone you were upside down. I couldn't see and 1:47:29.640 --> 1:47:31.000 I wish that was. 1:47:30.960 --> 1:47:33.800 Me, Like his back looks crazy in that. So I've 1:47:33.800 --> 1:47:35.280 been like just claiming it as my own. 1:47:35.320 --> 1:47:37.040 Oh okay, well I didn't see the face. 1:47:38.120 --> 1:47:40.680 If I could do a handstand with a joint in 1:47:40.720 --> 1:47:45.200 my mouth, that's all you would see me post postal media. 1:47:45.479 --> 1:47:48.040 But unfortunately, no, that wasn't me. But I thought it 1:47:48.080 --> 1:47:49.640 was amazing and had to claim it. 1:47:49.760 --> 1:47:52.400 I like, your trainer is kind of a stoner too. 1:47:52.560 --> 1:47:54.280 That's nice he is. 1:47:54.360 --> 1:47:56.560 And why you know it is what it is? You 1:47:56.600 --> 1:47:57.479 guys are in la. 1:47:57.680 --> 1:48:00.639 Know I O name. 1:48:03.400 --> 1:48:09.360 Just got Yeah. 1:48:09.400 --> 1:48:12.439 I mean I love Brett Gray. He's gonna be a star, guys. 1:48:12.439 --> 1:48:13.880 I mean he's already a star, but like I think 1:48:13.920 --> 1:48:14.759 he's on the rise. 1:48:15.040 --> 1:48:16.680 Like keep your yeah, you heard it here. 1:48:16.720 --> 1:48:21.000 First, he has the right attitude, you know, he like 1:48:21.280 --> 1:48:23.200 is killing it but doesn't think he is, but is 1:48:23.240 --> 1:48:25.840 still happy and fulfilled. Yeah, that's like the perfect little 1:48:25.960 --> 1:48:27.560 then diagram of creativity. 1:48:27.680 --> 1:48:31.519 Totally such a cutie and so fun and cool. 1:48:32.520 --> 1:48:34.679 What wasn't fun and cool was today's episode? 1:48:34.920 --> 1:48:38.200 I mean, oh, yeah, this is probably the most horrific. 1:48:38.520 --> 1:48:42.760 Like listening to it, I've always mad at myself for 1:48:43.040 --> 1:48:44.840 being so graphic, but I. 1:48:44.800 --> 1:48:47.519 Don't know, No, it was truly one of the most 1:48:47.520 --> 1:48:52.040 horrible like crimes that we've ever covered, and I think 1:48:52.080 --> 1:48:55.040 it's important that we covered it because you said that 1:48:55.120 --> 1:48:57.280 it was so hard to find information, and that's wild 1:48:57.360 --> 1:49:00.400 to me, like that this guy is not more of 1:49:00.439 --> 1:49:03.200 a not household name, but more of a name, because 1:49:03.240 --> 1:49:05.400 when you talk about people like this, then people are 1:49:05.439 --> 1:49:09.000 more like aware and on alert that this kind of 1:49:09.000 --> 1:49:13.440 stuff happens, you know, And it's just sough. 1:49:13.479 --> 1:49:16.839 It's such a horrible, horrible, well, and it begs the question, 1:49:17.120 --> 1:49:21.639 if like this isn't a huge international or national news story, 1:49:21.920 --> 1:49:26.799 what else what other horrific you know, hundreds of people 1:49:27.360 --> 1:49:32.320 victims are also being hidden. That's like what all sparks 1:49:32.400 --> 1:49:35.360 me too. But it's also now every time I passed woods, 1:49:35.360 --> 1:49:37.920 I go how many bodies are in there? I know, Oh, 1:49:37.960 --> 1:49:39.679 if I'm in a name of how many who's trapped 1:49:39.680 --> 1:49:40.080 in a base? 1:49:40.360 --> 1:49:41.519 I see a water tank? 1:49:41.800 --> 1:49:44.320 A water tank, I'm like, oh God, there's a body 1:49:44.320 --> 1:49:44.879 in there. 1:49:44.920 --> 1:49:47.600 Like you know, I'm looking. I'm looking for bodies, I know. 1:49:47.680 --> 1:49:50.080 And last night my friend was like, well, watch something 1:49:50.120 --> 1:49:52.080 fun before bed, and I was like, yeah, you're right, 1:49:52.080 --> 1:49:53.840 And then I was like, I have to read about 1:49:53.840 --> 1:49:54.240 the war. 1:49:54.520 --> 1:49:56.680 I don't. I don't think so. 1:49:57.360 --> 1:50:01.120 I know you're vacillating between war and your murder podcast. 1:50:01.160 --> 1:50:03.479 It's a lot going on for you right now. I 1:50:03.520 --> 1:50:06.760 think you need to watch in Canto. I do, but 1:50:07.000 --> 1:50:08.200 let me watch it with a kid. Let me. 1:50:08.200 --> 1:50:09.760 I gotta watch it with one of the kids, because 1:50:09.760 --> 1:50:11.280 I don't know if I'll sit down and watch in 1:50:11.320 --> 1:50:12.160 Canto alone. 1:50:12.360 --> 1:50:15.080 Yeah. Rosie's hyped for it right now, but I want 1:50:15.080 --> 1:50:15.280 to know. 1:50:15.439 --> 1:50:17.200 But you know this, Do we talk about this on 1:50:17.240 --> 1:50:21.040 the potterity that like Disney didn't make any muscle Girl toys? Yeah, 1:50:21.040 --> 1:50:22.960 because they thought no one would like her, and then 1:50:23.040 --> 1:50:24.519 all the kids want the muscle Girl. 1:50:25.040 --> 1:50:28.280 When I tell you that today already. Rosie has made 1:50:28.280 --> 1:50:31.519 me play her song six times. She doesn't like, we 1:50:31.520 --> 1:50:33.280 don't talk about Bruno. She goes, I don't like this. 1:50:33.320 --> 1:50:35.559 Put the pressure song back on. It's the only one 1:50:35.640 --> 1:50:38.679 she likes. And what I heard was that they didn't 1:50:38.720 --> 1:50:41.160 want to make that character have muscles. They wanted her 1:50:41.200 --> 1:50:44.920 to just be skinny and like freakishly strong, and they 1:50:45.000 --> 1:50:47.880 fought for her to like be muscly and big, and 1:50:47.920 --> 1:50:50.320 I it's so funny, like so many kids, she is 1:50:50.360 --> 1:50:51.120 the best character. 1:50:51.200 --> 1:50:55.479 I think, well yeah, and it's like, yeah, Disney kids 1:50:55.520 --> 1:50:58.400 don't have your standards on them yet. Yeah, like their 1:50:58.479 --> 1:51:01.640 children and their babies, and so everyone just thought, I 1:51:01.640 --> 1:51:03.960 guess they would like the young, fun princess or whoever 1:51:04.320 --> 1:51:05.000 in canto is. 1:51:05.040 --> 1:51:07.639 Which, of course our friend No, our friend's daughter loves 1:51:07.640 --> 1:51:10.120 the perfect one because that's how she is. She likes 1:51:10.160 --> 1:51:12.559 perfect shit. Rosie likes the strong one because that's who 1:51:12.680 --> 1:51:15.880 Rosy is. She's into like crazy people that can throw 1:51:15.920 --> 1:51:18.400 donkeys in the air, you know, like that's it's funny. 1:51:18.560 --> 1:51:20.719 But anyway, we're this is not an encanto po. 1:51:20.720 --> 1:51:22.880 No, but Disney now has to like it's like on 1:51:23.000 --> 1:51:25.400 bat like scrambling to make. 1:51:25.280 --> 1:51:28.760 Luisa toys be Yeah, they's good. 1:51:29.320 --> 1:51:31.400 Well, because there was a big moment in the WWE, 1:51:31.520 --> 1:51:34.479 I would say, like four or five years ago where 1:51:34.479 --> 1:51:36.400 it used to be like the Diva Belt and it 1:51:36.479 --> 1:51:39.160 was a butterfly and they would take hot muscle model 1:51:39.200 --> 1:51:41.720 girls and like make them into wrestlers, but they were 1:51:41.720 --> 1:51:43.920 never that good, and it just like that's when people 1:51:43.920 --> 1:51:46.320 would go to the bathroom or jerk off type vibes. 1:51:47.240 --> 1:51:51.360 And then like five years ago, they switched it. It's 1:51:51.360 --> 1:51:54.479 an actual, real belt, it's not a sparkly butterfly. And 1:51:54.520 --> 1:51:57.240 they got like Samoan girls, and they got like real 1:51:57.720 --> 1:52:00.439 fucking wrestlers who had been wrestling for a year, and 1:52:00.960 --> 1:52:04.880 it became like it was just cool, it's awesome where yeah, 1:52:04.920 --> 1:52:08.880 like I get that, it's just not everything has to 1:52:08.920 --> 1:52:10.200 be what men want to fuck. 1:52:10.560 --> 1:52:14.200 Yeah, there's other things, especially in Encanto. 1:52:14.760 --> 1:52:17.920 Yeah, I let the women wrestle. It's just let Yeah, 1:52:17.960 --> 1:52:20.840 she's strong, give her muscles. Yeah, And I love that 1:52:20.880 --> 1:52:22.360 little I don't know if it's this movie, but I 1:52:22.400 --> 1:52:25.439 love there's like a photo of circulating on the internet 1:52:25.720 --> 1:52:27.960 and it's a little black child with an afro. In 1:52:28.000 --> 1:52:30.320 the cartoon is a black boy with an Afro and 1:52:30.360 --> 1:52:32.519 he's like so cute, looks just like the cartoon, and. 1:52:32.479 --> 1:52:35.960 It's like, oh, that's so cute. 1:52:36.280 --> 1:52:39.679 Back to people children, I mean, just like whatever. 1:52:39.720 --> 1:52:41.640 I mean, I think also what we learned from this, 1:52:41.720 --> 1:52:45.240 I don't know what we learned from Olivia constantly forgiving 1:52:45.280 --> 1:52:46.519 Cassidy's bad behavior. 1:52:46.600 --> 1:52:52.599 I mean that Dick is good, you let some things fly. 1:52:53.280 --> 1:52:56.040 Yeah yeah, But I mean it's like, you know, the 1:52:56.080 --> 1:52:58.880 episode's a lot about inherited trauma. That's honestly, that's what 1:52:59.040 --> 1:53:03.080 Encanto's about. And Kanto's about inherited family trauma and having 1:53:03.080 --> 1:53:05.760 to break down the walls of like, you know, all 1:53:05.800 --> 1:53:08.080 this trauma that you've built up and build something new. 1:53:08.160 --> 1:53:10.559 And that's that's I don't know, we keep talking about 1:53:10.600 --> 1:53:13.720 fucking Canto, but it really is like relevant here, like 1:53:14.120 --> 1:53:17.120 Cassidy has all this trauma and Reggie has this everyone 1:53:17.120 --> 1:53:19.800 has this trauma that they're hiding, and you know, you 1:53:20.200 --> 1:53:23.759 just I don't know, I think it's like to a degree, 1:53:23.800 --> 1:53:25.120 like it's got to come out, you know. 1:53:26.880 --> 1:53:30.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I gotta watch and Canto and the 1:53:30.880 --> 1:53:32.160 Salt Lake City Reunion. 1:53:32.280 --> 1:53:35.160 I mean, oh yeah, because my. 1:53:35.240 --> 1:53:38.880 Fun show lately has been fucking Jersey Housewives, which is 1:53:38.880 --> 1:53:42.000 no picnic. It's like the jail years now. I'm watching 1:53:42.080 --> 1:53:46.040 families cry and get separated, but they deserved at their criminals. 1:53:46.040 --> 1:53:49.040 I do not feel bad for Teresa. Yeah, but it 1:53:49.120 --> 1:53:53.920 is like still families fighting and like struggling with It's yeah, 1:53:53.960 --> 1:53:55.720 and then I want to do Euphoria so I could 1:53:55.720 --> 1:53:57.880 be with the culture same. I'm about to start You 1:53:57.920 --> 1:54:00.519 for It, which isn't a good time either. I don't 1:54:00.520 --> 1:54:01.880 know what happy show to watch. 1:54:01.960 --> 1:54:03.559 I know it's like all the stuff. That's the thing. 1:54:03.560 --> 1:54:05.120 I think that's what's been keeping me from starting You 1:54:05.200 --> 1:54:06.800 for It is just everyone's like it's good, but it's 1:54:06.880 --> 1:54:08.439 dark as fun and it's like, okay, we have a 1:54:08.439 --> 1:54:10.800 lot of darkness going on. But yeah, I'm gonna watch it. 1:54:10.840 --> 1:54:12.280 I'm I can't wait to start. 1:54:12.680 --> 1:54:14.080 Fashion Star studded. 1:54:14.160 --> 1:54:17.200 Yesterday something was trending that it was like the behind 1:54:17.240 --> 1:54:19.720 the scenes of the makeup and what it meant for 1:54:19.800 --> 1:54:21.240 the care and I was like, oh my god, yeah, 1:54:21.320 --> 1:54:21.920 watch this show. 1:54:22.000 --> 1:54:24.680 I also kind of like that it's giving like like 1:54:24.720 --> 1:54:27.519 it's giving older actors a big jump to like Martha 1:54:27.600 --> 1:54:30.799 Kelly's in it, who I love from stand up also 1:54:31.120 --> 1:54:31.680 Alana you. 1:54:31.680 --> 1:54:34.360 Bo Alana, I've worked with her? Oh you have? 1:54:34.800 --> 1:54:37.960 I didn an an unpicked up pilot with her. 1:54:38.160 --> 1:54:41.400 Oh I was I mean legally Blonde obviously, Yes, she 1:54:41.520 --> 1:54:44.040 was the funniest girl in Legally Blonde. She's one of 1:54:44.040 --> 1:54:45.680 the friends. She's the brunette friend, right. 1:54:45.760 --> 1:54:47.560 Yeah, And I always when I watch that, I go 1:54:47.640 --> 1:54:49.960 what happened to these two women? Like those two women 1:54:50.000 --> 1:54:52.680 are part of the funniest part of a very classic movie. 1:54:52.680 --> 1:54:54.120 And I just know I didn't know what happens to them? 1:54:54.120 --> 1:54:56.280 But she actually has had like a very prolific career. 1:54:56.800 --> 1:54:58.440 Has she been an SVU? We should try to find out. 1:54:58.760 --> 1:55:01.000 No, I like know, I like that. 1:55:01.360 --> 1:55:04.280 Euphoria is like also springboarding, some adults back into like 1:55:04.360 --> 1:55:06.560 not adults, like the twenty two year olds are adults too, 1:55:06.560 --> 1:55:08.240 but you know what I mean older like people that 1:55:08.280 --> 1:55:08.880 are older. 1:55:08.920 --> 1:55:12.080 And No, it seems like a cool show with amazing 1:55:12.240 --> 1:55:15.720 acting and stories and everyone is shocked. Anything that brings 1:55:15.760 --> 1:55:19.320 people together, it's exciting. Yeah, I was on the Yellow 1:55:19.400 --> 1:55:24.320 Jackets train. Not so much as Succession but or Game 1:55:24.360 --> 1:55:27.240 of Thrones, but anything that brings people together week by 1:55:27.280 --> 1:55:28.160 week discussion. 1:55:28.160 --> 1:55:30.280 It's fun because like we've talked about it. There's so 1:55:30.400 --> 1:55:31.680 much fractured. 1:55:32.120 --> 1:55:34.520 Television is a fractured landscape, and it's kind of nice 1:55:34.520 --> 1:55:35.920 when there's one thing that we can all be like 1:55:35.960 --> 1:55:37.320 did you see that, and like we can all talk 1:55:37.360 --> 1:55:38.240 about it a little. 1:55:38.000 --> 1:55:40.000 Bit, you know, oh, I know, we're not talking about 1:55:40.000 --> 1:55:43.360 that episode. Whatever, guys. So I after the super Bowl 1:55:43.440 --> 1:55:46.160 downloaded all these super Bowl playlists because I loved the 1:55:46.160 --> 1:55:49.040 halftime show and I had never listened to Kendrick Lamar. 1:55:49.080 --> 1:55:52.480 You know, I'm a female vocal pop girl, and I 1:55:52.520 --> 1:55:54.960 loved Kendrick Lamar in the mix. I was like, this 1:55:55.040 --> 1:55:57.400 is so good. And then I'm at the comedy store 1:55:57.440 --> 1:56:00.000 and I'm standing outside and Bitch Don't Kill My Vibe 1:56:00.080 --> 1:56:01.840 came on and I was like, oh my god, I 1:56:01.920 --> 1:56:03.080 just heard this song last week. 1:56:03.120 --> 1:56:03.640 I love it. 1:56:03.720 --> 1:56:05.600 And like four people turned around and went, what do 1:56:05.600 --> 1:56:07.920 you mean last week? And I went, well, I just 1:56:07.960 --> 1:56:09.880 heard it on the playlist and they're like, this was 1:56:09.920 --> 1:56:12.040 the biggest song in the country three years ago. Yeah, 1:56:12.080 --> 1:56:15.360 They're like everyone, They're like, you've never heard Bitch Don't Go. 1:56:15.560 --> 1:56:17.800 I'm like, no, but I relate and I love it. Yeah, 1:56:17.880 --> 1:56:20.120 Like they couldn't believe it. But then I mentioned Casey Musgraves. 1:56:20.120 --> 1:56:21.680 They had no idea who that was, and I go, 1:56:22.280 --> 1:56:26.840 she's at Staples Center, Like, yeah, we truly don't know any. 1:56:26.600 --> 1:56:28.280 Like I just couldn't believe they didn't know that. 1:56:28.480 --> 1:56:31.440 Or when people don't know Olivia Rodrigo, I'm like, should 1:56:31.480 --> 1:56:32.480 the number one? 1:56:32.720 --> 1:56:35.400 Mind? No, it's just like like music is the same, 1:56:35.440 --> 1:56:39.160 it's fracture. It's like just splintered, you know. Like but yeah, Kendrick, 1:56:39.200 --> 1:56:41.880 if you were I was working out at a CrossFit 1:56:41.960 --> 1:56:45.000 gym three four years ago, you're gonna know Kendrick like 1:56:45.040 --> 1:56:46.480 they were playing him NonStop. 1:56:46.920 --> 1:56:50.880 But also with this, don't break the rules, don't yell 1:56:50.960 --> 1:56:55.320 in court, don't cosmis trials, don't go to pedophiles homes, 1:56:55.720 --> 1:56:57.000 don't get covered in blood. 1:56:57.080 --> 1:56:59.400 I mean, although we did say we love vigilante justice, 1:56:59.480 --> 1:57:01.240 don't really do a vigilante justice. 1:57:01.280 --> 1:57:03.640 I mean probably like don't don't really do it, and 1:57:03.800 --> 1:57:05.800 don't talk to cops without a lawyer. 1:57:06.880 --> 1:57:10.320 Yeah, baby, Brett Gay's character spilling all the beans, and 1:57:10.360 --> 1:57:13.080 you made such good connections that they had actually nothing 1:57:13.120 --> 1:57:13.760 to hold him. 1:57:13.880 --> 1:57:14.240 Yeah. 1:57:14.520 --> 1:57:17.880 Yeah, like a fisher from a guy, like you know, 1:57:17.920 --> 1:57:20.080 a washer from a guy's shoe. Who was this another 1:57:20.160 --> 1:57:24.400 suspect not holding up in court? Okay, let's get into 1:57:24.480 --> 1:57:26.960 this week's what would Sister Peg Do? This is our 1:57:26.960 --> 1:57:30.280 weekly segment where we give you guys a resource, a link, 1:57:30.360 --> 1:57:34.920 a book, an organization to check out maybe donate to. 1:57:35.920 --> 1:57:39.000 This week, I really wanted to point out this instagram 1:57:39.720 --> 1:57:42.520 that I've been following for a while, actually that because 1:57:42.600 --> 1:57:45.200 I think with regards to like the crime that Lisa 1:57:45.240 --> 1:57:47.480 talked about, and also the fact that in this episode 1:57:47.880 --> 1:57:50.160 the mom was very like, how did I not see 1:57:50.160 --> 1:57:50.839 this happening? 1:57:50.920 --> 1:57:52.600 Like to both of my children? How did I not 1:57:52.640 --> 1:57:53.000 see this? 1:57:53.600 --> 1:57:58.280 And this woman named Rosalia Rivera has these consent parenting 1:57:58.320 --> 1:58:02.960 workshops and she as an instagram called Consent Parenting, and 1:58:03.120 --> 1:58:05.080 I've been following it for a while. It's just very 1:58:05.080 --> 1:58:07.040 interesting where she points out some of the ways that 1:58:07.160 --> 1:58:09.600 kids can get groomed, and she points out some of 1:58:09.640 --> 1:58:12.560 the ways that rape culture is in like the cartoons 1:58:12.600 --> 1:58:14.760 that we let kids watch and stuff, and how we 1:58:14.840 --> 1:58:17.280 just want to counteract some of that when we see 1:58:17.280 --> 1:58:19.960 it and just be vigilant that we know that we 1:58:20.240 --> 1:58:23.600 recognize strange behaviors in our kids or people that might 1:58:23.800 --> 1:58:26.040 be giving us red flags in our kids' lives. So 1:58:27.440 --> 1:58:30.240 she is a consent educator and abuse prevention expert, and 1:58:30.560 --> 1:58:32.800 again she does these workshops. But I'm a huge fan 1:58:32.840 --> 1:58:34.560 of the Instagram and I just follow it and I'm 1:58:34.560 --> 1:58:36.480 always kind of like at first, I was like, is 1:58:36.480 --> 1:58:38.680 this crazy that I follow this? Like is this am 1:58:38.680 --> 1:58:43.400 I being like like a reactionary or like like paranoid. 1:58:43.440 --> 1:58:45.960 And it's like no, like all these parents of one 1:58:46.040 --> 1:58:49.480 hundred kids from this psychodoctor in Delaware, everyone needs to 1:58:49.520 --> 1:58:53.400 see the signs of this. So her her Private Part 1:58:53.480 --> 1:58:56.000 Safety workshop is designed for parents with kids between ages 1:58:56.000 --> 1:58:57.840 two to eight, so you can teach your kids like 1:58:57.960 --> 1:59:01.160 Private Part Safety and include lessons on how to correctly 1:59:01.200 --> 1:59:03.240 teach your kid about safe and unsafe touch, the right 1:59:03.320 --> 1:59:06.240 language to use. So I don't know, check out the 1:59:06.240 --> 1:59:08.760 Instagram and if it sort of resonates with you, maybe 1:59:08.760 --> 1:59:12.040 you can. You can also learn more at www. Dot 1:59:12.080 --> 1:59:16.520 Consentparenting dot com. That is a really good resource. Thank 1:59:16.520 --> 1:59:20.520 you for finding that. That's so specific and perfect. 1:59:21.440 --> 1:59:21.880 Yeah, I was. 1:59:22.200 --> 1:59:23.880 When I was doing what with sister Pegs, I was like, 1:59:23.960 --> 1:59:26.280 oh wait, this thing I follow is like perfect for 1:59:26.320 --> 1:59:29.000 this because it's like, you know, like we could do 1:59:29.040 --> 1:59:30.720 another child abuse like we you know, we have a 1:59:30.720 --> 1:59:33.640 lot of child abuse like resources once it's happened. But 1:59:33.680 --> 1:59:36.720 this is like a preemptive like let's learn all the 1:59:36.800 --> 1:59:39.080 resources ahead of time before something. 1:59:39.160 --> 1:59:42.480 Yeah, and it's like, also, just believe your kid, like 1:59:42.520 --> 1:59:45.720 that's something, yes, of course, but that's not what this is. 1:59:45.760 --> 1:59:46.680 And this is really good. 1:59:46.720 --> 1:59:50.080 Yeah, Like I've talked about this before the episode of 1:59:50.080 --> 1:59:53.680 this is actually happening about this incest survivor how her 1:59:53.760 --> 1:59:56.920 anxiety and like her trauma came out in perfectionism and 1:59:56.960 --> 2:00:01.200 being the best student ever and so no one thought 2:00:01.200 --> 2:00:04.080 that was bad because everyone loves a good student and so, 2:00:04.600 --> 2:00:06.840 but that was signs of like OCD and all these 2:00:06.880 --> 2:00:09.560 things coming up. So there are so many signs that 2:00:09.920 --> 2:00:14.120 parents should be aware of. And this is definitely not 2:00:14.240 --> 2:00:15.800 the same. And I don't know if I drunk sent 2:00:15.840 --> 2:00:18.920 this to you last night or not, but someone sent 2:00:19.000 --> 2:00:23.360 me the cheat sheets. It's an Instagram account that is 2:00:23.760 --> 2:00:28.320 cheat codes for Google sheets and excel Ooh right, so 2:00:28.400 --> 2:00:29.880 I don't know to text you in the middle of 2:00:29.920 --> 2:00:32.240 the night, going wait, how do I search? 2:00:33.720 --> 2:00:35.040 How do I move the tab? 2:00:35.480 --> 2:00:38.880 It's called cheat sheets excel in sheets like a friend 2:00:38.960 --> 2:00:42.280 posted it thinking she was a loser, and I go, 2:00:42.360 --> 2:00:43.840 I need this, I need this. 2:00:44.080 --> 2:00:47.280 The internet wins again, So lots of resources there on 2:00:47.320 --> 2:00:48.000 the Internet. 2:00:48.680 --> 2:00:52.120 Hopefully all of your children are safe, and next week 2:00:52.200 --> 2:00:56.840 we will be doing a classic episode perfect season four, 2:00:57.040 --> 2:01:02.520 episode twenty four. We cannot wait. Hulu Peacock Podcast. All 2:01:02.560 --> 2:01:05.839 the hits. Go to your library, get those VPN sticks charged, 2:01:06.520 --> 2:01:08.480 and yeah, we'll see you next week. 2:01:08.680 --> 2:01:20.840 We're so lucky. We love you guys. Thanks myye. 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