WEBVTT - Crazy, Stupid, Love. with Samee Junio 0:00:01.160 --> 0:00:04.120 On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:08.160 women and um are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:12.600 or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef in best 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:18.919 start changing it with the bel Cast. Hey, Jamie, Yeah, Caitlin, 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:22.560 you're the perfect combination of sexy and cute? Can I 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:27.240 buy you a drink? Yeah? Wait, I'm sorry. All my 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:30.400 judgment just went out the window because you said that. 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:34.320 I'm what, You're the perfect combination of sexy and cute. 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:35.680 Do you want to get out of here? Do you 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:37.480 want to go home and have sex with me right now? 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:39.839 Only if you lift me up like a scene. And 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:43.120 I can't even do I can't even I can't even 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:49.960 keep up with this charade. Oh my gosh, today today's episode. 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:55.080 I we were just having this is the Betel Cast Comma. 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:58.160 We were just having a conversation off Mike, the three 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:01.279 of us. I what do you mean the Comma Bechdel 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:06.720 Comma cast period? Exactly? Exactly. Oh my god, there's so 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:10.119 many I have a list of like things that every 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:12.840 movie in two thousand eleven did that. I'm just so 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:16.600 glad that we're just out of the woods. There punctuation 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:19.960 in the movie title is one of one of those 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:22.399 things that you're just like, oh my god, you really 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:24.400 think that you're doing something here, You think you're being 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:31.120 so serious. Anyways, I initially went in, I think reasonably, 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:35.720 assuming that our our guest today, a returning guest, brought 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:39.240 this movie to us, because that's how our show works, 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:41.880 that's how it's worked for almost five years now. And 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:46.840 then I learned that it was you. It was my idea. 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:49.640 But you're the spy, You're you're how do you say 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:52.360 his name? I'm not all listen, I'm not all listen? 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:56.000 Is that it? I struggled with his name, like I 0:01:56.000 --> 0:02:03.000 struggled with I can't do it well. What happened? What 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:06.320 had happened is that, um, we've we've been wanting to 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:09.800 get our guests back on the podcast. It's a secret. 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:11.720 Even though it's a secret, their name is in the 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:15.920 title there. We've been wanting to get Sammy back on 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:18.360 the podcast, and we'll Sammy will let you talk in 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:28.760 a minute. No, Caitlyn's dombing this episode. He's wearing a 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:36.560 suit instead of forty. Yeah. I bought new shoes and 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:41.560 I'm so confident now because Ryan Gosling tossed your ship, like, 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:43.720 oh my god. That was one of the cutaway shots 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:46.280 from this movie. Is I wish you could seen Steve 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:50.480 Carrell's stinky new Balance just like knocking a twelve year 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:53.840 old unconscious and at the bottom of that mall. I 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:56.480 was like, that's so, that's such reckless behavior to throw 0:02:56.560 --> 0:03:01.480 a midlife crisis person's new balance off away. But we've 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:03.240 been wanting to get Sammy back on the podcast for 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:06.720 a while, um, but the movie wasn't. It didn't come 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:09.600 into focus what movie it was going to be until 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:13.440 recently this movie came up in conversation between Sammy and 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:16.280 I and I was like, oh, this is the one, 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.840 let's do it on the podcast. So yes, it was 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:23.640 my idea. And I'm sorry everyone, I'm so sorry cruel 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:28.200 and unusual of you, but it's it is a pretty 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:32.680 commonly requested episode, Yeah it is. And it's one of 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:35.400 those commonly requested episodes that I'm like, to what end? 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:40.040 Sometimes we just we get these requests and I'm just like, 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:44.760 do you wanted me to watch that? If you wanted 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:49.440 us to um evisceraate it, then you're in for a treat. 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:52.480 That's what we're about to do. He requested this movie. 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:58.840 We're fighting right now. I cannot believe. Yeah. Well, okay, 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:01.040 So this is the Bectel Cast. This is our podcast 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:04.240 where we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:06.800 the Bechtel test as a jumping off point, which is 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:10.720 a media metric created by queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel that 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.880 is sometimes called the Bechtel Wallace test, and it requires, 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:17.360 for our our rendition of the test, two people of 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:21.159 a marginalized gender have names speak to each other about 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:24.080 something other than a man for a two line exchange 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:28.080 of dialogue. I can it be done? Honestly hard to say. 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:34.120 I couldn't reach a conclusion for this movie. Maybe it did, 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:36.839 I don't even I don't. I don't think so, I 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:39.239 don't think. Okay, I don't think like, did I miss 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:43.720 a rogue exchange? Like? I don't think it that, which 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:50.279 is ridiculous. It's ridiculous. Oh god. Anyway, So today's movie 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:54.640 is crazy Comma stupid, Comma love period. So already we're 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:57.720 off to a bad start. Let's bring in our amazing 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:03.080 guest that i'd like to follow eyes to an advance. Yes, 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:19.679 we are so say we are so sorry, Sammy say introduced. Sorry, sorry, sorry, Okay. 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:26.760 They are a producer. They're a writer on Let's Gots 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:30.400 Go and Ohio And you remember them from our episode 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:35.679 on She's the Man. It's Sammy Junio. Welcome back. Thank 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:39.360 you for inviting me for this episode on He's the Man. 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:45.000 Am I right? Wow? It makes you think that was 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:49.880 a joke that I texted you about. Also, we should mention, 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:52.000 I mean your your name gets brought up a lot 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:56.560 in many episodes because you're also our road dog when 0:05:56.560 --> 0:06:00.360 we when we go on tour, you often check our shows. 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:05.560 Another major credit for you. It's huge. It's actually on 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:07.560 the top of my resume. I don't even put my name. 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:15.520 I just put road dog in all caps. Oh my god. Okay, 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:21.280 what a time to be alive. Sammy. What is your 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:25.520 relationship with this movie? I have it on DVD and 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:30.080 I bought it recently, not maybe in the past three years. 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:35.360 I am not embarrassed about it, but also deeply embarrassed 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:42.200 about it. Um. I think that's appropriate. Yes, I understand, 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:49.400 I understand why it's I I'm so sorry everyone, Jamie. 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:54.000 What's your history what's your relationship? I didn't see this one. 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:57.480 I feel like I saw a lot of movies like 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:00.800 this when it came out, Like the really two thousand 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:04.400 tens were like just there were so many movies like 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:07.560 this where it's like, Okay, here's my pitch. It's a 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:11.160 really famous comedian, but they're not. But you'll never laugh. 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:14.600 It's two hours long and there's a ton of improv. 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:20.400 How dare this movie be two hours long? Two hours long? There? 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:24.200 The movie poster has a disembodied woman's leg on it. 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:28.680 Headless women of Hollywood shout out, I just I just 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:32.240 at oh and the clincher brought to you by the 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:38.000 writer of Cars. You're just like what? There were so 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:41.200 many like Midlife. I was talking about this with my 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:44.880 boyfriend recently. Of like Steve Carrell went through this phase 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:46.240 where he's like, I'm just going to be in a 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:48.120 bunch of movies that say they're funny but they're not 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:51.720 and they're really long. It's like this Dan in real 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:54.960 life like there and Kristen Wig went through a similar 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.920 phase where it's just in a bunch of expensive indie 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:00.240 movies that sucked and we're long, and you're just like 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:03.360 why are you making me see these? They make me 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:06.280 they you know, we were we were there, we were there. 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:10.200 It wasn't good, and now it's over. This is weird. 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:12.200 I mean, it's kind of interesting to me. I've never 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:15.440 seen this movie, is the answer to the question. But 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:18.400 even like I don't know, it's watching movies that are 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:22.239 like ten years old. Is always like oh, wild Zone 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:26.080 because it looks dated, but it feels familiar enough. Like 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:33.079 phones in this movie wild blackberries, so many blackberries, miss I, 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:35.800 miss I wish I had had a BlackBerry? There are 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:39.880 they just gone? They're never coming back. They're trying. There's 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:43.680 like a version of it where it's still the little typer, 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:45.960 but then also it's touch screen, but like the touch 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:50.440 screen is like two point five inches. It's wild. Why 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:54.240 did they do that? Um? This? Yeah, this, this movie 0:08:54.320 --> 0:09:00.000 is really encapsulated a very particular moment. What's your history 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:03.680 of the Caitlin? My history is that I saw it 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:06.800 maybe like a year after it came out or so. 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:09.120 This this is not the type of movie that would 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:12.240 have drawn me to the theaters. But I like people 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:15.640 were like, oh, it's good, it's so it's fun. You'll 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:20.600 like a hundred almost a hundred fifty million dollars, but 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:24.640 also it cost fifty million dollars, which is like what 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:30.000 I'm guessing the budget went to like Steve Correll and 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:35.559 Ryan Wardrobe, and also the insurance for the shoe toss right, 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:39.480 there were there were actual casualties for that. It was 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:42.840 not good well. And and then going back to the 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:46.040 length of the movie, which again is two hours for 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:48.600 what's supposed to be a rom com, way too long, 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:52.720 but I read according to our favorite scholarly journal, Wikipedia, 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:56.280 the original cut of this movie was three hours long 0:09:56.800 --> 0:10:01.400 and they had to edit out an entire hour. There. 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:04.520 My favorite Wikipedia detail for this movie is that is 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:07.720 this Uh. The film was developed under the working title 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:11.439 untitled Marital Crisis Comedy. I think they should have stuck 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:15.640 with that. They should have stuck with it because the 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:18.920 title of the movie is using a bunch of dated 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:22.680 words that we're trying not to use anymore. Uh. And 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:26.080 and oh, a fun, fun twist was in the middle 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:30.280 of the movie because there's a young daughter in this movie. 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:33.319 The daughter that isn't the twist, which is like, I 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:37.720 don't want to twist daughter anyways. The young daughter is 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:43.760 Joey King kissing booz. Amazing twist. That was the best 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:47.160 twist of the movie for me, the twist that was 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:50.800 there the whole entire time. It took me a while 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:53.080 to figure it out because I was like, because you 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:55.480 don't see her face really for a long time, and 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.040 then you get a glimpse of her, like I don't know, 0:10:58.120 --> 0:10:59.960 three quarters of the way through the movie, and you're like, 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.880 wait a minute, is that young Joey King? And sure 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:09.040 enough it is. She's iconic, She's great, Go Joey King. Yeah. So, anyway, 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:10.920 my history with this movie, I saw it like a 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:13.640 year or so after it came out. I was ambivalent 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:17.160 toward it, but I remember at the time thinking like, wow, 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:21.800 running Gosling is cool and what a good job he 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:25.520 does and making Steve Correll cool also. And I can't 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:28.320 believe I ever had those thoughts because looking back at 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:31.160 it now, we wash our hands of it. We live, 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:37.440 we learn, we live, and we learn. Yeah, so I 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:41.080 guess should I just get into the recap. Yeah, let's 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:44.280 party in the recap. I'm excited. I'm excited to really 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:47.320 just take out my pool floaty is and float around 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:52.000 in this recap. This Oh my god. Also I just 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:55.400 wanted to shout out the other child actor who is 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:59.120 We're not going to blame the child actor, but oh 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:03.480 my god, the kid who plays Robbie. His name is 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:08.080 Jonah Bobo, and you gotta admit that's a funny name. 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:14.720 Just wanted to shout out Jonah Bobo. Shout out. Okay. 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:19.800 So the movie opens on a married couple Cal that's 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:24.880 Steve Carrell and Emily that's Julianne Moore. And Emily announces 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:28.360 that she wants a divorce, and she also tells Cal 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:31.400 that she had sex with someone else, her co worker, 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:38.240 David Lyndhagen, David Linnagen. We learned that Cal and Emily 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:42.040 have two kids, or so we think it's only two kids, 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:46.640 but wait for it. Oh my god, this twist when 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:49.600 it's like they're using the same hair straightener and Julianne 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:53.079 Moore and emastone the whole time. It's like, come on, anyways. 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:56.520 One of the kids is Joey King. The other one 0:12:56.679 --> 0:13:00.680 is thirteen year old Robbie Jonah Bobo Jonah Bobo. He 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:04.880 is in love with his babysitter, Jessica, who is seventeen 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:07.880 years old. Who does anyone remember her? From America's Next 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:13.240 Top Model. Oh yeah, she like was I don't know. 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:15.400 I didn't watch many seasons of that show, but she 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:17.920 was on one of the seasons I did watch. I 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:21.079 saw her in a piano bar when I was first 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:23.920 in l A and I passed away. She was so cool, 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:28.440 I like freaked out. Also, she is the same age 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.840 as Emma Stone. Oh, but playing a seventeen year old 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:35.079 I feel like Emma Stone is. I don't know how 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:37.720 old Emma Stones character is really supposed to be because 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:41.720 and also I liked, I liked. I enjoyed suspending my 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:44.920 disbelief that Steve Correll is only seventeen years older than 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:49.080 Emma Stone. That was fun for me. Right, that's a lie. 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.520 That's that is a lie. Um. I think she's twenty 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:55.080 five because they said that they've been married for twenty 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:57.679 five years and that they got married because they were 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:01.040 pregnant with her. So she's are you doing this movie? 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:06.920 Who cares? Um? So Robbie is in love with Jessica, 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:11.679 but Jessica is in love with cal Steve Carrell. Then 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:15.160 we cut to Hannah. That's im a Stone at a 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:19.760 bar with a friend Liz. Yes, love Liz wanted more 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:23.840 for Liz truly as the only person of color in 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:27.400 the movie I and she's so horny. I do feel represented. 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:32.360 I'll say it this kidding. It's really solid and responsible 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:35.920 representation to Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. I remember her 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:42.920 from This is I'm I remember that actor Liza Lapira 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:47.360 from Don't Trust the be An Apartment twenty three, which 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:52.040 I like show. I liked that show too. Doesn't James 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:57.520 Vanderbeek play himself in that show? Am I remembering that correctly? Yeah? 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:00.640 It was. I'm sure that if you go back, it's 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:03.960 probably super dated, but I liked it when it was happening. 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:08.640 She was on it. Shout out, who care? Anyway, she 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:11.800 and Emma Stone are talking, and this is when Jacob 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:17.440 Ryan Gosling approaches Hannah and aggressively starts hitting on her. 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:22.560 Test this honey, like no, no, no no, But she 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:26.920 rejects him and leaves. So meanwhile Cal and Emily separate 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:31.240 and he goes to a bar to drown his sorrows 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:34.400 and he's loudly carrying on about having been cheated on 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:38.360 by his wife with David Lindhagen, and then Jacob is 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:42.360 also there, and Jacob is like sir, stop your whining, 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:45.920 stop being a loser. You look like shit. Here's what 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:49.119 I'm gonna do. I'm gonna help you rediscover your manhood, 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:52.640 and your wife will rue the day she left you. 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:55.800 He literally like holds out the red pill and it's 0:15:55.880 --> 0:16:01.240 like take it, I dare you. Oh my goodness that 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:05.160 I did not realize. I didn't. I knew very I 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:09.480 thought this was just a really long early rom com. 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:15.800 I didn't realize that it was pick up artistry the movie. Yep, seriously, 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:19.640 what a move? What do you move to play a 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:24.600 pickup artistry story? Basically completely straight, like well, right right. 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:28.560 So then Jacob tells cal to meet him at the 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:33.520 Century City Mall food Court, which is neither the Glendale 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:39.720 Galleria nor the Americana, So like, why even fucking bother going? Wow, 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:44.440 I've I went to that mall to see Santa Oh. 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:47.200 One of the best, um, one of the best dated 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.680 shots in the movie is when Ryan Gosling is standing 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:54.080 in front of a gigantic Borders bookstore. You're like two eleven, 0:16:54.240 --> 0:17:02.160 we were all there. Meanwhile, Hannah is celebrating something. I'm 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:06.760 not really sure she's celebrating. Lawyer, no, no, I think 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:10.680 that's correct because they were celebrating her beginning of studying 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:14.480 the book. Right. Yeah. They also call it a goodbye party, 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:21.560 but she doesn't to study. I think, yeah, she's leaving 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:25.440 to go study. Yeah, it's not clear, um, but she's 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:28.320 with a few friends, including her boyfriend Richard a k a. 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:36.600 Josh Grobin. Whatever. This his first role in a movie. Wow, 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:41.600 wild sha grow grow. I mean, okay, I take it back. 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:44.439 Good for him if this is his first role, he 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:47.080 did pretty good. Even though it's not no saying he's 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:51.000 in makes any human sense. That's not his fault, right, 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:55.119 that's that's the writing. Um. But Hannah thinks that he 0:17:55.240 --> 0:18:01.000 might be proposing soon. Um. Cal. Then go to meet 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:05.240 Jacob at the mall q a shopping and make over montage, 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:08.320 which I mean, we can talk about this, but I 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:13.280 guess we get like a gender swapped makeover montage. Yeah, 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:16.440 just to just prove the gender swapping something doesn't make 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:21.920 it interesting or good. It is something that can be done. 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:24.399 And I like how they try to make it hyper 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:29.040 vasculine by just slapping each other. I'm like, what it's 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:31.040 like every shopping montage you've ever seen in your life, 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:35.080 except they can't stop hitting each other and throwing shoes 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:39.720 arm and then Jacob tries to teach Cal how to 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:43.040 pick up women at bars. Cal is terrible at it 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:47.719 at first. Then we see Emily at work. David Lyndhagen 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:51.880 shows up in the Flesh and it's Kevin Bacon did 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:55.920 not remember that I want to treat except he's awful. 0:18:56.800 --> 0:19:00.880 He's not great. He professes his feelings for Emily, but 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:03.359 she's not really into it, and it seems like she 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:07.280 might be having second thoughts about leaving Cal. Robbie also 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:11.720 has professed his feelings for Jessica the babysitter um, but 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:14.840 she tells him to stop and that he's making her uncomfortable, 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:18.800 but don't worry, he doesn't stop. Then we cut back 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:22.760 to Cal and Jacob. Jacob thinks Cal is finally ready 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:27.120 to start picking up women and encourages him to hit 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:32.520 on this woman across the bar, Kate A K. Marissa Tomay, 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:36.040 and she ends up going home with him, and this 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:40.440 gives him the confidence boost that he needed and he 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:43.919 starts having sex with a lot of women after this. 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:47.680 This Marissa Tomy character is also like a very stock 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:51.119 character that I feel like appears in many movies of 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:54.640 this era. I was thinking of like Leslie Man in 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:59.200 the forty year Old Virgin. I was thinking Jennifer Anniston 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:03.880 and horror bosses. Like it's like there's so many. I mean, 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:06.360 we'll we'll talk about it, but it's it was like 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:10.600 a trope character of this era was like woman who's 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:14.440 horny and mad and a cartoon character, and they always 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:18.280 would get like a great actress to like do whatever 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:22.880 the funk that is. It's annoying. Mm hmm. Absolutely. Yeah. 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:26.760 So then Cal and Emily go to a parent teacher 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:31.679 conference about Robbie and they're like, again, they're reconnecting a 0:20:31.720 --> 0:20:38.040 little bit, but oh, Robbie's teacher is Marissa Tomai. The 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:45.440 first of many twists, and Emily somebody inconsequential You're just like, 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:50.600 oh so what like that? Because we did you guys 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:54.879 like I don't. Oh my gosh. She the teacher in 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:59.880 this scene behaves so unprofessionally. But um, Emily finds out 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:03.160 that the two of them slept together, and now she's 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:06.719 really really mad at Cal, especially because he used the 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:09.560 line that he used to use on her. You're the 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:14.120 perfect combination of sexy and cute honestly, I do love 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:19.520 to hear it, but it's a very contrived line. Oh yeah. 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:23.119 So then there's the scene where Hannah thinks that Josh 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:25.960 Grobin is going to propose to her, but he doesn't, 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:29.520 so she is just so caught off guard that she 0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:34.439 runs away finds Jacob at the one bar that he 0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:37.240 seems to go to every night of his life. I 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:40.719 was like, does he they? Eventually the twist is that 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:44.480 he's a trust fund glorified date rapist. But but for 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:46.800 a long time in the movie, you're like, is this 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:51.159 his job? You have a job because what he's doing, 0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:53.240 And also, I mean we'll get to like what a 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:56.840 horrible father Kell is, but like what he's doing has 0:21:56.920 --> 0:22:00.159 to be so expensive, Like he that is like a 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:03.560 nice looking bar, Like he has to be dropping hundreds, 0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:07.680 if not thousands of dollars a night trying to coerce 0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:11.560 women into coming home to his house, which is clean 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:15.359 mansion with a swimming pool. He has a five thousand 0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:18.560 dollar vibrating chair, like it looks like the house from 0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:26.160 um at the beginning of Invisible Man. It's very sinister. Yeah. Anyway, 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:30.480 so Hannah, you know, stomps up to him, surprise kisses him, 0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:32.919 and then they go home together, but they stay up 0:22:32.960 --> 0:22:36.360 all night talking and this is the beginning of them 0:22:36.400 --> 0:22:40.600 being in a relationship because she's not like the other girls. 0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:44.680 She's worth actually talking to. That remains up for discussion. 0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:50.119 They they they do have um good chemistry, but there's 0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:53.600 there's also this like, I'm a huge Emma Stone fan, 0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:57.240 but there are like parts in again, like this era 0:22:57.320 --> 0:22:59.080 of Emma Stone, where I feel like they're like, oh, 0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:01.480 we're not gonna really write her a character. We're just 0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:05.480 gonna make her talk really fast, and that's the character, 0:23:06.920 --> 0:23:10.600 not her fault. But so Jacob is now so busy 0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:14.240 with his new girlfriend that he stops answering Cal's calls, 0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:17.440 which you realize is just like a convenient plot device 0:23:17.640 --> 0:23:21.639 so that Hannah doesn't find out that her new boyfriend's 0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:28.360 best friend is her dad. But anyway, so meanwhile, Jessica 0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:31.840 the babysitter, is trying to figure out how to get 0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:35.040 Cal interested in her, and at the advice of one 0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:38.920 of her classmates, she takes nude pictures of herself with 0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:43.080 the intent to give them to Cal. But oh, her 0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:51.520 parents find them and think that Cal is preying on Jessica. Yeah, 0:23:51.600 --> 0:23:55.439 we'll talk all about this. Um, we just have to 0:23:55.560 --> 0:23:58.920 we just have to move on for now. H was 0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:02.480 like the fact that fucked up things were happening that 0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:05.600 late in the movie. I was like, are you kidding me? 0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:10.640 You just can't catch a break with this story. Wow 0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:16.520 wow wow. Yeah. But so meanwhile Cal and Emily they're connecting, 0:24:16.760 --> 0:24:20.120 reconnecting more and more, and then he orchestrates this big 0:24:20.240 --> 0:24:24.440 romantic gesture for her in her backyard. But this is 0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:27.160 when a few different things happen kind of all at once. 0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:31.239 One Cal and Emily's other daughter that you didn't know 0:24:31.280 --> 0:24:36.000 that they had is Hannah, a k Emma Stone. She 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:41.320 comes home with her new boyfriend, Jacob, and Cal realizes 0:24:41.640 --> 0:24:45.359 this sleazy guy is now dating his daughter, and Cal 0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:48.800 is furious at both of them. Uh. This is also 0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:54.879 when Jessica's dad comes barreling in and attacks Cal. And 0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:59.439 this is also when David Lyndhagen shows up and it's like, 0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:03.600 here's your sweater, Emily. But basically all the men then 0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:08.080 get in a huge fight, which ends in everyone being 0:25:08.160 --> 0:25:11.399 very mad at everyone else. Another scene that you would 0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:15.080 think would be really fun because we're like, oh, look 0:25:15.119 --> 0:25:18.040 at all these famous people and you know, in a 0:25:18.600 --> 0:25:21.640 fist fight, but it's still manages to be really boring, 0:25:22.240 --> 0:25:26.439 you know, like oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And then 0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:30.080 later a little later, Jacob tries to talk to Cal, 0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:33.720 but Cal refuses to give his approval for Jacob and 0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:38.840 Hannah's relationship. But then it's Robbie's eighth grade graduation and 0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:41.720 Robbie starts to give a speech about how love is 0:25:41.840 --> 0:25:46.080 a scam, but Cal interrupts and gives his own speech 0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:50.639 about how Emily is his soul mate and he's not 0:25:50.680 --> 0:25:52.920 going to give up. He's going to keep fighting for her, 0:25:53.080 --> 0:25:56.520 and she's like, oh la la la uh. And then 0:25:57.119 --> 0:26:01.320 Cal finally gives his blessing to Jacob and Hannah, and 0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:06.000 then Jessica gives her naked photos to Robbie, and then 0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:10.560 the movie ends with it seeming like Cal and Emily 0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:17.760 will get back together the end. God, let's take a 0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:28.040 quick break and then we'll come right back to discuss. Okay, 0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:34.080 and we're back, Okay. Can we start with like what 0:26:34.160 --> 0:26:37.800 the perceived like? There's so many specifics to talk about here, 0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:42.399 but the overall takeaway from this movie I thought, and 0:26:42.760 --> 0:26:46.400 let me if you disagree, is they have this whole like, 0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:50.000 if you believe that someone is your true love, you 0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:54.680 are not just like encouraged. You are required to harass 0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:59.800 that person until they reciprocate, and if they don't, just 0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:03.919 keep harassing them. And like the foundation of this movie 0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:08.400 is so fucked up, and the way the logic goes 0:27:08.520 --> 0:27:12.760 is like because it's so poorly written, sorry Mr Cars, 0:27:12.840 --> 0:27:16.679 but like it it's like men are doing the same 0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:18.720 thing over and over and over and over and over, 0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:20.320 and then just at some point in the plot it 0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:23.760 stops bothering the women in the movie, and then they 0:27:23.800 --> 0:27:30.680 get rewarded for their behavior, their incessant harassing behavior. Yeah, 0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:35.400 they everyone gets what they want. So um the message, 0:27:35.560 --> 0:27:39.439 it's just a disaster. I'm also not rooting You're just 0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:43.399 You're not. I'm not rooting for any relationship in this movie. 0:27:43.560 --> 0:27:46.080 I'm not rooting for any character in this movie except 0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:48.760 for maybe like for just all of the women to 0:27:48.880 --> 0:27:52.160 get away from all of the men. That's what I'm 0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:54.960 rooting for. But that doesn't end up happening, so no, 0:27:55.320 --> 0:28:02.720 they just get entrapped again. So I did not know 0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:05.240 how to organize my notes for this because like all 0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:08.200 it's like an ensemble cast and like all of the 0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:11.359 characters have a relationship with all of the other characters. 0:28:11.400 --> 0:28:13.919 So I was like, but don't worry that there's no 0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:18.080 meaningful relationship between two women and the entire maybe, and 0:28:18.160 --> 0:28:21.359 they're correct, yes there. I love how when we see 0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:25.040 Julianne Moore and Emma Stone on screen together for the 0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:28.959 first time, Julianne Moore is blindfolded and it's like hi, honey, 0:28:29.119 --> 0:28:31.400 and it's like, this is this is how I feel 0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:35.840 about how the women in this movie interact just so 0:28:36.000 --> 0:28:40.080 dissonant and bizarre. And then I guess another just kind 0:28:40.120 --> 0:28:44.680 of general statement before we get into more specifics, would 0:28:44.680 --> 0:28:46.840 just be that the way and we already hinted at this, 0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:50.720 but the way women are written in this movie is 0:28:50.800 --> 0:28:56.520 just like so cartoonish, and they're all framed as being 0:28:56.800 --> 0:29:00.960 very like reactionary. They seem to not know what they want. 0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:06.840 They're like fickle, they are often, for lack of a 0:29:06.880 --> 0:29:10.760 better word, they are like presented as being quote hysterical. 0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:15.440 This applies to basically every woman is some combination of 0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:18.800 these traits in this movie. So that's what we're working 0:29:18.840 --> 0:29:21.480 with for the women. I just feel like most of 0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:24.520 the female characters were just like not really written, like 0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:28.440 they're like, well that they're just they're like they're just 0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:31.760 kind of they're there Hannah's If you like try to 0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:35.120 figure out what is going on in Hannah's life, it's 0:29:35.160 --> 0:29:41.280 literally impossible. Like you don't understand why she thinks that 0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:44.680 Josh Groban is about to marry her. Like that was 0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:47.959 really confused to me. I don't understand what's going on 0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:50.080 with her job. No one seems to care what's going 0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:52.040 on with her job. She doesn't seem to care what's 0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:54.160 going on with her job. I don't know why she 0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:58.240 knows she can find Ryan Gosling at this bar. They're 0:29:58.280 --> 0:30:03.120 like and I don't really under like just if you 0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:06.120 like put any like if you try to piece together 0:30:06.160 --> 0:30:09.040 even a synopsis of some of the female characters, Whore 0:30:09.080 --> 0:30:12.160 just like, I don't I don't know, they didn't care. 0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:15.520 I think the closest you can get to somebody having 0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:18.239 a story, or a woman character having a story is 0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:23.040 Julianne Moore because she does try to explain herself. I yeah, 0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:25.480 I think she may have the most story and all 0:30:25.520 --> 0:30:27.640 of this, I like, yeah, I think of all the 0:30:28.240 --> 0:30:30.800 I tried to rank my character that these characters by 0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:34.040 how little I liked them, And I feel like Julianne 0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:36.640 Moore's character was the one that I ended up liking 0:30:36.800 --> 0:30:40.960 the best, which isn't saying much, but it's like, first 0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:43.680 of all, like I understood why she wanted to leave 0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:47.440 Steve Carrell, Like you're like, yeah, this marriage seems really 0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:50.040 dead in the water, obviously, like cheating on your spouse 0:30:50.160 --> 0:30:53.200 is not the best thing to do in your life. 0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:56.960 But like her being like I've been with you and 0:30:57.000 --> 0:30:59.600 you fucking suck for so long, Like I just need 0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:01.920 to move on with my life. And like she's a 0:31:01.960 --> 0:31:04.720 good she's a good mom, she's a fun mom, like 0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:07.600 you get like a little more with her. And I 0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:10.320 also feel like it's Julianne Morris, so she can just 0:31:10.360 --> 0:31:14.320 make a meal of anything. But it's still like it's just, oh, 0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:17.880 it's just beneath her this story because it's like she's 0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:21.280 the I totally agree, Sammy, like she's the woman that 0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:25.520 you know the most about, but it's still like not much, 0:31:25.600 --> 0:31:28.000 it's still and yeah, and she just ends up getting 0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:32.080 worn down like every other woman I would cheat on 0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:35.800 cow Well, yeah, that's the thing. Like the reasons that 0:31:35.840 --> 0:31:40.240 they split up, is that he has stopped putting effort 0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:44.200 into their relationship. She does not feel that her needs 0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:49.120 are met, so she seeks affection elsewhere with Kevin Bacon. 0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:52.520 But that's like the only thing that cal focuses on 0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:55.560 at like the beginning of their break where he's like, 0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:58.840 oh you slept with another man. I've been cuck holded. 0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:01.520 And there's that scene where like she's he did get 0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:05.600 he got to he got to the word cock Cock's 0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:10.440 resurgence early y. I was like, wow, okay, ahead of 0:32:10.480 --> 0:32:13.680 the curve, right, But there's that scene and I think, Sammy, 0:32:13.720 --> 0:32:16.040 you brought this up. But she's like trying to talk 0:32:16.080 --> 0:32:19.400 about like he's like getting into the U haul, and 0:32:19.480 --> 0:32:23.160 Julianne Moore is like, you know, I think I might 0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:26.880 be having a midlife crisis. Like she's expressing her doubts 0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:30.560 and frustration shout out to the movie doubt um, doubts 0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:34.840 and frustrations and insecurities. But he's like he refuses to listen, 0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:39.400 he refuses to like talk this out like a real adult. 0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:42.760 He's being a huge baby about it. He just keeps 0:32:42.760 --> 0:32:47.479 talking about like landscaping, and then he later starts just 0:32:47.960 --> 0:32:52.040 stalking her at night doing her landscaping, and then also 0:32:52.080 --> 0:32:55.200 sometimes just like watching her through her window. Isaac and 0:32:55.240 --> 0:32:58.040 I were dying at that scene at the end where 0:32:58.080 --> 0:33:01.200 he is once again out on the on spying on 0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:04.800 his family and she calls because like it's supposed to 0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:07.600 be like again, it's just like, oh, they really thought 0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:10.880 they were creating this beautiful moment where it's like she 0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:13.680 just wanted to hear his voice, she didn't actually need 0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:16.920 help with the pilot light, and like they're both crying 0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:19.959 in the scene is forty minutes long, and we were 0:33:20.000 --> 0:33:23.960 just cackling. We're like, God, this is really supposed to 0:33:24.000 --> 0:33:28.160 be a moment, but it's just this movie. It feels 0:33:28.240 --> 0:33:31.880 so long and so long. The movie frames that moment 0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:36.320 as being so romantic, but it's like he's stuck in 0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:39.880 her right now, shouldn't know that she's not actually letting 0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:43.120 the pilot light. He's he loves to come back at night. Cal, 0:33:43.280 --> 0:33:46.160 I feel like, yeah, like Julianne Moore's perspective makes a 0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:48.200 ton of sense, because like Cal spends the whole movie 0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:52.600 approving to you why he's an unfit husband, parent, member 0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:56.640 of society. There I will say that you also don't 0:33:56.920 --> 0:34:00.800 like you can see cal at work once, but I'm 0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:03.600 also like, what does he do, Like, how does is 0:34:03.640 --> 0:34:07.840 he like just blowing his like children's college money on 0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:12.840 becoming a pickup artist? He's I it was unclear, like 0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:16.239 can you afford to be And on top of that, 0:34:16.320 --> 0:34:20.520 he's just aggressively not parenting his children. So it's very 0:34:20.600 --> 0:34:24.680 bizarre later when Jessica is like, you know, his kids 0:34:24.760 --> 0:34:27.200 love him so much, and you kind of like why 0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:29.279 I've only seen him interact with him when he's like, 0:34:29.320 --> 0:34:32.120 I'm off to go hang out with my pickup artist friend. 0:34:32.440 --> 0:34:36.760 Like that's not It's so like you keep being told 0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:38.759 that he's a good person with a good heart, but 0:34:38.800 --> 0:34:43.760 then you just kind of like rarely see that. Yeah, 0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:47.400 he's negligent in a lot of areas of his life. 0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:52.520 And then so basically he starts to fill the void 0:34:52.960 --> 0:34:58.480 of not being married to Emily anymore with becoming a 0:34:58.520 --> 0:35:03.319 pickup artist. At the instruction of Jacob, I wish they 0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:06.160 were a little clearer about like the fact that this 0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:09.200 is pickup artist, because they kind of like dodge saying it. 0:35:09.320 --> 0:35:13.399 They're like, oh, no, you just aggressively nagged women, And 0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:16.759 it's like Ryan Gosling makes it sound like this was 0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:19.960 all his idea and not that there was like infrastructure 0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:23.839 for this. He's like, I, I wrote the game, I 0:35:23.920 --> 0:35:28.200 invented this, I invented going to bars wearing suits. And 0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:33.440 she's like, no, that's not okay, sir, I can't do 0:35:33.560 --> 0:35:36.560 all that. So I guess, like for the Cal and 0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:41.560 Jacob friendship, I mean, I do slap all of my 0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:46.760 friends all the time, so I feel like I can confirm, 0:35:46.760 --> 0:35:49.279 so that didn't feel weird to me. So we are 0:35:49.360 --> 0:35:52.360 feeling seen here to an extent. This is why I 0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:56.040 like the movie. Actually, I've represented in Liz and Jacob 0:35:56.120 --> 0:36:00.080 slaps and now I get it. Now I get it. 0:36:00.560 --> 0:36:03.520 Um okay. So yeah, Jacob is not that the movie 0:36:03.920 --> 0:36:06.279 wants you to think this, because the movie wants you 0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:09.440 to think that. I think the movie wants you to 0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:11.360 think that, Like he just needs to grow up a 0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:14.000 little bit. He needs to find the right woman who 0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:16.799 will like, who will let him just kind of like 0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:22.120 settle down and learn that, like love is real. He 0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:25.200 just needs to find it. But even so, the movie 0:36:25.320 --> 0:36:31.560 like condones his pickup artistry, his like very sleazy misogynists creepy, 0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:35.680 like he literally says the first, the first like rule 0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:40.399 of his. He's reciting the game like he's there's a book. 0:36:40.640 --> 0:36:43.880 There's a book. It's bad. But like he said, the 0:36:43.880 --> 0:36:47.879 first rule is to like get her really drunk. Like 0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:50.680 this is like, I'm glad that you don't like really 0:36:50.880 --> 0:36:54.480 but it's like, this goes into very dark territory. I 0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:58.239 just am not convinced that this character is not a 0:36:58.320 --> 0:37:02.480 date rapist. Very well could be. He also gives a 0:37:02.719 --> 0:37:07.279 monologue to Cow where he says, the war between the 0:37:07.320 --> 0:37:11.359 sexes is over, and we won, meaning men won the war. 0:37:12.080 --> 0:37:16.879 We won the second women started doing pole dancing for exercise, which, like, 0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:21.239 I mean, the implications, just the sham nous of all 0:37:21.320 --> 0:37:26.160 of that is horrendous. And then he says, even though yeah, 0:37:27.120 --> 0:37:29.560 I want to take some, I feel like I've won 0:37:29.760 --> 0:37:34.839 when I take exactly It continues to say, but even 0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:38.080 though we won, they still deserve our respect, meaning women 0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:41.799 deserve our respect. We make them feel beautiful, actually listen 0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:44.680 to their problems, open the door for them. And then 0:37:44.680 --> 0:37:46.840 he says, you've got to take control of your manhood. 0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:49.800 You want something, you take it. You don't like something, 0:37:50.080 --> 0:37:53.560 you say it. I take what I want. So that 0:37:54.200 --> 0:37:57.480 is his wisdom that he's imparting to cow. This is 0:37:57.520 --> 0:38:01.680 such this whole friendship is so fucked up, like and 0:38:01.760 --> 0:38:05.640 it sucks too, because it's like anytime you see like 0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:09.600 a male friendship on screen, you're like, oh, this is 0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:13.960 you know, like there's such a traceable history of you know, 0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:18.839 like men not knowing how to like bond and express 0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:23.920 emotion with each other. Um, but this relationship is just 0:38:24.120 --> 0:38:27.720 so toxic. It's just so toxic. And then the twist 0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:31.480 with Jacob being that he's really rich and his dad 0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:36.799 was too nice and then his mom was so cold, 0:38:36.840 --> 0:38:39.200 both of which are like these are very relative terms 0:38:39.200 --> 0:38:42.080 you're using because you're a misogynist, so she could just 0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:47.000 be a person like but the and we're supposed to 0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:49.840 like feel like I'm supposed to feel bad for you 0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:55.399 because your dad was so nice. That it's so it's 0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:59.600 so just like I don't even know what they were 0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:01.600 trying to. Yeah, I'm like, a, is this meant to 0:39:01.760 --> 0:39:04.279 endear us too? I'm not sure I think it is. 0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:07.480 But because it's like, oh, he's being emotionally raw with her. 0:39:07.719 --> 0:39:12.840 He said that his rich dad was really nice, You're like, okay, 0:39:13.640 --> 0:39:17.719 So then there's a scene where Jacob is like, okay, Cal, 0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:22.439 you're ready go hit on Marissa Tomay, and then Cal 0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:26.480 calls him out on his like behavior. He's like, you know, 0:39:26.680 --> 0:39:28.960 you buy women a drink even if they don't want one. 0:39:29.160 --> 0:39:31.959 You insist. It's a big game, a creepy, creepy game. 0:39:32.000 --> 0:39:34.399 And right when you think that, like Cal has come 0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:37.880 to his senses and is like, oh, wow, you know 0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:41.560 this guy is a creep. He then says, wow, Jacob, 0:39:42.360 --> 0:39:45.640 you're such a wise teacher. You've taught me so well. 0:39:46.080 --> 0:39:50.160 And then he goes over and tries Jacob's creepy technique 0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:53.919 on Marissa Tomay, which I guess we can just talk 0:39:53.960 --> 0:39:57.680 about that really quickly. Marissa Tomay being done such a 0:39:57.800 --> 0:40:04.520 wild dissurface, the the Radiant Marissa Tomay. I hope, I 0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:08.480 hope she made five hundred trillion dollars to have to 0:40:08.520 --> 0:40:11.320 do this, because that was the whole fifty million dollar budget. 0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:14.680 They were just like, please, Marissa Tomay, do this. Absolutely 0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:17.879 like miserable part for us because there first of all, 0:40:17.960 --> 0:40:21.280 like again, just the logic of it is so bizarre, 0:40:21.560 --> 0:40:24.840 where they make fun of the fact that she's a 0:40:24.920 --> 0:40:29.080 recovering alcoholic and several points in the movie and she's 0:40:29.120 --> 0:40:31.400 just like this, and we started talking about it, but 0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:35.000 like she's just this like broad stereotype of like a 0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:40.440 desperate woman who like she'll take anything, she'll take the 0:40:40.480 --> 0:40:43.840 first person who gives her the smallest amount of attention. 0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:46.319 And it's and I think it's just shorthand for like 0:40:47.000 --> 0:40:51.120 single women over thirty, Like is that what the what 0:40:51.400 --> 0:40:53.880 is this? Right? And then and then later if she 0:40:53.920 --> 0:40:58.279 feels rejected, she you know, goes nuclear and it's like 0:40:58.440 --> 0:41:02.520 her whole life is concern zoomed by revenge. And and 0:41:02.560 --> 0:41:06.680 we're supposed to like be siding with Steve Carrell will 0:41:06.719 --> 0:41:09.640 be like, Wow, she's being a bit much, don't you think. 0:41:09.719 --> 0:41:13.640 Like it's just such an exhausting troupe that I feel 0:41:13.680 --> 0:41:19.440 like was like extremely active in this time when every 0:41:19.480 --> 0:41:23.800 comedy movie was like four hours long and had shitty 0:41:23.840 --> 0:41:29.560 improv Right. And then during the scene where he's like 0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:33.400 trying to pick her up, and then he at first 0:41:33.400 --> 0:41:36.120 he's like nagging, but he's really bad at it. Not 0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:38.120 that there's a way to be good at it, like 0:41:38.160 --> 0:41:41.160 it's a thing that shouldn't be done, but anyway, it's 0:41:41.160 --> 0:41:44.000 not effective. But then he starts being real and honest, 0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:47.720 and because he says you're the perfect combination of sexy 0:41:47.760 --> 0:41:52.200 and cute, she is now dripping her just she's she's 0:41:52.239 --> 0:41:55.959 like so ready to just like jump on his dick. 0:41:56.320 --> 0:42:01.080 And then there's a bad Aige joke that gets made 0:42:01.200 --> 0:42:04.960 while they're like for playing with each other. But it's 0:42:04.960 --> 0:42:08.520 this weird thing where she likes that he's being honest 0:42:08.719 --> 0:42:13.600 and open, which is like a good thing, like men 0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:17.879 people should be honest and open, but that is like 0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:21.520 her liking that is like part of what makes her 0:42:21.600 --> 0:42:28.560 seem so like outlandish, and it's just just so like, yeah, 0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:30.719 it's I mean, I feel like it is like one 0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:35.080 of the broader stereotypes of women of this era is just, yeah, 0:42:35.160 --> 0:42:39.120 portraying any woman who is not like married over at 0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:42.520 a certain age as like as having to be so 0:42:43.040 --> 0:42:47.400 desperate for any sort of validation that and then also 0:42:47.520 --> 0:42:51.520 so immediately attached if she receives any validation that. It's 0:42:51.600 --> 0:42:56.720 just like a way of like making women look irrational 0:42:56.920 --> 0:43:00.200 and like inherently like if you have it's like your 0:43:01.160 --> 0:43:04.360 iconic stand up joke, Caitlin, It's like if you have 0:43:04.480 --> 0:43:07.480 sex with someone, you're you are you have to marry 0:43:07.520 --> 0:43:11.200 them and like you are like chemically bound to them 0:43:11.280 --> 0:43:14.880 until you die. And there's just like scenes with Morrissa 0:43:14.960 --> 0:43:19.719 Tomay where the button on the scene is just her screeching, 0:43:20.080 --> 0:43:22.520 like that was one of the scene ended and it 0:43:22.600 --> 0:43:25.520 echoed into the next scene. I was like, what kind 0:43:25.560 --> 0:43:29.120 of this is wild sound editing? Like it's just so 0:43:29.600 --> 0:43:33.759 aggressively underthought, because it's also it's not even like an 0:43:33.840 --> 0:43:37.120 original thing in this movie. It's just like copy pasting 0:43:37.160 --> 0:43:40.200 the Leslie Man character from a different Steve Correll movie 0:43:41.120 --> 0:43:45.719 into but this time it's oh, sorry, let's take a 0:43:45.760 --> 0:43:48.359 quick break and then we'll come back to discuss more 0:43:55.640 --> 0:44:00.640 and we're back. I will say though, that after the 0:44:01.480 --> 0:44:04.879 scene where cal hooks up with Marissa Tomay, there is 0:44:04.960 --> 0:44:09.600 another sign that this movie is a sequel to She's 0:44:09.640 --> 0:44:13.800 the Man. Do you guys remember please? It is after 0:44:13.960 --> 0:44:17.959 he has intercourse with Massa Tomay, they play the song 0:44:18.040 --> 0:44:20.799 that they play at the carnival, which is goldfraps la 0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:27.239 la Oh only true. She's the Man has Well Know, 0:44:28.239 --> 0:44:35.120 which is just me I saw it. I love that, 0:44:35.200 --> 0:44:38.880 But I mean it's very clearly a spiritual sequel, if 0:44:38.960 --> 0:44:44.960 nothing else sequels, they're really not better. They're really just 0:44:45.040 --> 0:44:50.440 not better usually except Paddington too. But anyway, there. I 0:44:50.960 --> 0:44:53.759 so that's like, that's Kate. I guess I just want 0:44:53.760 --> 0:44:58.239 to leave Kate in the in the past. Um. And 0:44:58.239 --> 0:45:01.600 then she continues to hold the grudge into like she's 0:45:01.600 --> 0:45:05.640 like flipping off Steve Carrell at the eighth grade graduation. 0:45:05.920 --> 0:45:09.560 And it's like, but if you were ghosted that way 0:45:09.600 --> 0:45:12.440 by somebody who you were very excited about telling you 0:45:12.480 --> 0:45:15.600 the truth and that's why you were screeching during intercourse, 0:45:15.880 --> 0:45:18.439 Like I feel like you probably would flick them off 0:45:18.480 --> 0:45:21.480 if you had to be exposed to them later on 0:45:21.520 --> 0:45:24.479 in a public space. I mean, to be perfectly fair, Yes, 0:45:24.640 --> 0:45:29.160 Steve Carrell did a not nice thing by discarding her, 0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:32.279 because and that's the whole like pickup artist thing, right, 0:45:32.360 --> 0:45:36.200 It's like you objectify women, you use them, and then 0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:39.920 you discard them. And that's what he does to like 0:45:40.080 --> 0:45:43.440 eight different women or something like that. Um. So she 0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:47.600 has every right to be upset and mad because he 0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:51.120 treats her like an object. But I think it's more 0:45:51.160 --> 0:45:53.279 that the way that she is characterized with her like 0:45:53.400 --> 0:45:58.560 irrationality and can't let it go. Write is what informs 0:45:58.560 --> 0:46:01.560 her behavior, not the fact that she like has a 0:46:01.640 --> 0:46:06.960 legitimate reason to be mad. The eighth grade graduation. I 0:46:07.000 --> 0:46:10.680 don't know, it's just my half of my organs started 0:46:10.680 --> 0:46:14.719 shutting down at that point. It's like he'sa, well we'll 0:46:14.760 --> 0:46:18.279 get there, but yeah, like Kate is really underthought the 0:46:19.080 --> 0:46:22.279 It's very bizarre to be how they kept bringing up 0:46:22.280 --> 0:46:25.520 that she was five years sober as a negative, Like 0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:28.279 it was just like, what do you think you're saying here? 0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:32.040 It is just very bizarre. And then we have where 0:46:32.040 --> 0:46:34.799 do we I'm saving the children for last because it's 0:46:34.840 --> 0:46:38.880 just like I don't even want to go there. I guess. 0:46:39.040 --> 0:46:42.640 Jacob and Hannah, well, I wanted to just, um give 0:46:42.719 --> 0:46:48.480 some context for pickup artistry really quick, um because this 0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:52.000 there's just so much here and I feel like this movie, 0:46:52.040 --> 0:46:54.840 I mean, they couldn't have known in I mean, you 0:46:55.120 --> 0:46:58.040 everyone who pick up artistry was bad, but they couldn't 0:46:58.080 --> 0:47:01.360 have known where it led and kind of I don't know, 0:47:01.440 --> 0:47:06.000 I've spent a lot of time thinking about this because um, 0:47:06.040 --> 0:47:09.480 I hate myself, I guess, but there is like pickup 0:47:09.560 --> 0:47:15.760 artistry is such a demonstrable gateway to darker, worse behavior, 0:47:16.160 --> 0:47:20.279 which became clear soon after this movie came out. So 0:47:20.280 --> 0:47:22.279 I'm not saying that this movie is like ignoring things 0:47:22.280 --> 0:47:25.960 that had already happened outside of like how fucking ludicrous 0:47:26.000 --> 0:47:28.160 it is to be like, let's make a movie about 0:47:28.239 --> 0:47:32.480 pickup artistry that's kind of like pro But there there's 0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:36.120 like there's an article that kind of like lays out 0:47:36.239 --> 0:47:42.359 this pipeline where essentially, like pickup artistry can lead to 0:47:42.920 --> 0:47:46.800 you becoming a far right extremist right because it's built 0:47:47.000 --> 0:47:50.600 on the same Um, I don't know. I mean it 0:47:50.680 --> 0:47:54.880 is like mental logic too to an extent. Uh where 0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:56.920 I'm going to just pull from it. It's by Miles 0:47:56.960 --> 0:48:01.479 Clee of mal magazine Love Miles is where, but he's 0:48:01.560 --> 0:48:05.440 kind of tracing how to pick up artists on like 0:48:05.640 --> 0:48:10.719 YouTube ended up at the Capital Insurrection and like it 0:48:10.880 --> 0:48:15.000 is it is a wild there's all sorts of bizarro online, 0:48:15.440 --> 0:48:19.440 you know, pipelines built on entitlement, like whether it's entitlement 0:48:19.480 --> 0:48:24.000 to women, to money, to power, to whatever like it. Um, 0:48:24.040 --> 0:48:28.160 there's all of these pipelines, and so he kind of traces, oh, 0:48:28.200 --> 0:48:30.520 these guys were pick up artists on YouTube in the 0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:34.920 early and now they're full Q and On like old 0:48:35.040 --> 0:48:38.800 right superstars who were like arrested for being at the 0:48:38.840 --> 0:48:44.000 fucking insurrection. So I I'll send you the links because 0:48:44.040 --> 0:48:48.000 it's like it gets so dark and they're still there's 0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:51.960 a great Dan Olson video about um, how flat earthers 0:48:52.080 --> 0:48:54.560 all went to Q and On as well, and just 0:48:55.880 --> 0:48:59.319 this movie is not like doesn't know that that stuff 0:48:59.400 --> 0:49:01.120 is going to happen ibviously, but I just think it's 0:49:01.120 --> 0:49:06.239 so bizarre and sinister that it's like presented as like, 0:49:06.360 --> 0:49:10.000 oh ha ha, look at this clearly misogynoust thing that's 0:49:10.000 --> 0:49:13.399 like built on all of the built on entitlement, which 0:49:13.600 --> 0:49:19.520 every man in this movie and boy is extremely entitled, 0:49:19.600 --> 0:49:25.959 where you're just like this, it's just so fucking dark, 0:49:26.160 --> 0:49:30.359 and um, I think it's like also weirdly avoidant that 0:49:30.400 --> 0:49:34.080 they don't say what it is and like what they're 0:49:34.160 --> 0:49:37.560 doing for half of the movie, because they're literally doing 0:49:37.640 --> 0:49:41.279 play by play the game, but they're acting like, oh, 0:49:41.320 --> 0:49:43.880 it's just this thing. I don't know, it's just the 0:49:44.000 --> 0:49:47.359 thing that I'm doing and it works, and but it's 0:49:47.360 --> 0:49:51.680 like pick up artistry demonstrably does not work. People don't 0:49:51.719 --> 0:49:54.920 like it. Most women don't like being spoken to that 0:49:54.960 --> 0:50:02.160 way and then like yourselves. But like what Miles kind 0:50:02.160 --> 0:50:04.520 of lays out in this piece is like it it's 0:50:04.520 --> 0:50:08.640 sort of built to like push you into darker ideology 0:50:08.680 --> 0:50:12.080 because you're given this horrible system. Uh, you go out 0:50:12.160 --> 0:50:16.040 to a bar, you aggressively next next someone. They don't 0:50:16.080 --> 0:50:19.160 like it, and then they're like, well, something's wrong with 0:50:19.239 --> 0:50:22.960 you because I was told that this fucking system works, 0:50:23.040 --> 0:50:25.640 and so like this is your problem, and then it 0:50:25.719 --> 0:50:29.080 just developed like it just I mean you can literally 0:50:29.200 --> 0:50:32.719 trace it to like Elliott Roger stuff like and then 0:50:33.280 --> 0:50:36.680 when you're rejected by this shitty system that's based on 0:50:36.800 --> 0:50:41.120 dehumanizing people and they don't like that, then it just 0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:43.879 turns into anger, which leads to all of these other 0:50:43.960 --> 0:50:48.520 horrible places. So I just I hate this movie. I 0:50:48.560 --> 0:50:53.920 hate this movie. Okay, we can move to other characters. Sorry, no, 0:50:54.040 --> 0:50:57.719 but thank you. That is helpful context. And I mean 0:50:58.760 --> 0:51:02.239 the takeaway from the for me is this movie is 0:51:02.320 --> 0:51:06.760 like it's glorifying. It's making pick up artistry seem cool. 0:51:06.880 --> 0:51:10.720 And even though the characters at the end like they 0:51:10.760 --> 0:51:16.520 stray away from that lifestyle because they have relationships, they've 0:51:16.560 --> 0:51:19.840 aggressively pursued their one true love through a series of 0:51:20.320 --> 0:51:23.040 right they picked up their soul mate and now they 0:51:23.080 --> 0:51:26.240 don't need to pick up any more people. It's still 0:51:26.280 --> 0:51:30.279 there's a large chunk of the movie that makes you, 0:51:30.600 --> 0:51:33.000 as an audience member think like, oh wow, what a 0:51:33.200 --> 0:51:38.799 what a huge improvement Steve Carrell's character like underwent with 0:51:38.880 --> 0:51:42.759 his makeover and in his more Now he has more confidence, 0:51:42.880 --> 0:51:48.279 and now he's more experienced sexually, and like it's yeah, 0:51:48.640 --> 0:51:52.480 you as the audience, are meant to I think that 0:51:52.480 --> 0:51:56.200 that was all pretty okay, and that that was like 0:51:56.520 --> 0:52:00.640 what led him to being able to win his wife, 0:52:00.680 --> 0:52:04.759 but his wife back, like he just needed to learn 0:52:04.800 --> 0:52:07.799 how to put in some effort and try and like 0:52:07.920 --> 0:52:11.719 wear better shoes and she and she rude the day 0:52:11.719 --> 0:52:16.600 he rediscovered his quote unquote rediscovered his manhood, and she 0:52:16.760 --> 0:52:19.640 indeed rude the day that she left him, because the 0:52:19.640 --> 0:52:22.400 movie ends with her being like, oh my gosh, he's 0:52:22.840 --> 0:52:26.920 he's trying again. He's he's new and improved, and I 0:52:26.960 --> 0:52:32.720 should be with him, so aggressively strongholded eighth grade graduation. 0:52:34.120 --> 0:52:40.040 God damn seene. So yeah, I just the pickup artistry 0:52:40.080 --> 0:52:42.279 stuff is really dark. I feel like they're like I 0:52:42.320 --> 0:52:44.399 get that they move on from it, but it is yeah, 0:52:44.480 --> 0:52:46.920 just like, oh, well I picked picked up my one 0:52:46.960 --> 0:52:50.640 true love. Uh. And then that's like the other very 0:52:50.719 --> 0:52:53.439 sexist thing that's going on in this movie. So there's 0:52:53.440 --> 0:53:00.480 just two sexist ideologies and both of them are successful. Yes, 0:53:02.400 --> 0:53:05.800 oh yikes. Um. So yeah with with Jacob and Hannah, 0:53:06.160 --> 0:53:10.480 you know we mentioned how they meet because he aggressively 0:53:11.080 --> 0:53:14.080 hits on her, she keeps saying no, no, no, no, 0:53:14.200 --> 0:53:18.440 thank you. She leaves, but then later because she is 0:53:18.480 --> 0:53:21.640 furious that her boyfriend Josh Grobin didn't propose to her, 0:53:21.840 --> 0:53:26.400 which like we've all been there. We've all been there 0:53:26.480 --> 0:53:29.759 every party that I go to, that's a celebration of 0:53:30.200 --> 0:53:35.360 question mark. I'm furious when someone doesn't propose to It 0:53:35.520 --> 0:53:38.480 is so unclear in that scene why she thinks he's 0:53:38.520 --> 0:53:42.760 going to propose, Like because not to side with Josh Grobin. 0:53:42.880 --> 0:53:45.560 But I don't understand why she thinks he's going to propose. 0:53:45.640 --> 0:53:48.080 They like don't aren't even sitting next to each other. 0:53:49.239 --> 0:53:52.480 You don't interact unless he's like directing his speech towards her. 0:53:52.520 --> 0:53:54.840 But like when he sits down in the earlier scene, 0:53:54.960 --> 0:53:57.520 he sits with his friend like he does not interact 0:53:57.600 --> 0:54:00.200 with her at all, and then like, yeah, she expects 0:54:00.320 --> 0:54:03.400 him to be proposing because of the other party they 0:54:03.440 --> 0:54:05.960 were at where she told Liz I think he's going 0:54:06.000 --> 0:54:08.360 to propose to me, and then just decides it like 0:54:08.400 --> 0:54:10.600 she's going to hold on to that until the next 0:54:10.640 --> 0:54:14.960 party that they have. I don't. I mean I did. Unfortunately, 0:54:14.960 --> 0:54:18.120 when Josh Groban was like, oh, um, sorry, you thought 0:54:18.120 --> 0:54:19.440 I was going to propose to you, I was kind 0:54:19.440 --> 0:54:21.399 of like, I'm kind of with him there. I don't 0:54:21.400 --> 0:54:24.120 know why why that was something that we were supposed 0:54:24.120 --> 0:54:27.440 to think was going to happen. And then when Liz, 0:54:28.040 --> 0:54:32.960 her friend who is in like three scenes, is like, really, 0:54:33.000 --> 0:54:35.239 why him, Like why why do you want him to 0:54:35.280 --> 0:54:40.040 propose that? Hannah's response is like, well, he's nice, and 0:54:40.120 --> 0:54:43.040 it's like that's that might be true, I guess, but 0:54:43.120 --> 0:54:45.160 like that's not enough of a reason to want to 0:54:45.640 --> 0:54:48.319 marry him. Like she doesn't say like I love him, 0:54:48.360 --> 0:54:50.920 he's my soul mate, like I want to spend our 0:54:50.960 --> 0:54:53.799 lives together. She's just like, well, he's nice, don't you think. 0:54:54.280 --> 0:54:57.520 I'm like, it's so funny because you can just tell 0:54:57.520 --> 0:55:00.759 that like some some guy wrote this movie by the 0:55:00.760 --> 0:55:03.320 way that it's just like, well, two women are sitting 0:55:03.320 --> 0:55:05.640 next to each other, okay, okay, okay, so one is 0:55:05.680 --> 0:55:10.600 probably about to get proposed to, Like it's just so bleak. 0:55:10.760 --> 0:55:14.880 And also like I mean, Liz embodies the the Best 0:55:14.920 --> 0:55:18.960 Friend character where she's so invested in Emma Stone getting 0:55:19.200 --> 0:55:22.839 funk funk funk funck fucked. That is what she lives for. 0:55:23.200 --> 0:55:27.720 She where I assumed that she works in lawyer also 0:55:27.880 --> 0:55:31.520 but I don't actually I can't actually confirm that. Also, 0:55:31.600 --> 0:55:36.200 I like, there's so that is like another recognizable dynamic 0:55:36.360 --> 0:55:39.040 that we know. And also it's the only non white 0:55:39.120 --> 0:55:43.719 character in the entire movie, um with any sort of 0:55:43.760 --> 0:55:46.440 like with I think more than one, you know, appearing 0:55:46.440 --> 0:55:48.680 in more than one scene. But then also it's like 0:55:49.360 --> 0:55:53.799 why is Okay, I was trying to connect the dots here, 0:55:54.440 --> 0:56:00.120 Jacob is obsessed with Steve Correll having sex? Why for 0:56:00.120 --> 0:56:05.280 a questions? Like also just for he reminded I wrote down, Um, 0:56:05.400 --> 0:56:08.279 Jacob is obsessed with Steve Carrell having sex the way 0:56:08.320 --> 0:56:10.880 that Mary Kay and Ashley are obsessed with their widowed 0:56:10.920 --> 0:56:15.680 father having sex in every movie. Like it's just so, 0:56:15.800 --> 0:56:20.720 but like I don't know, like and then I I 0:56:20.360 --> 0:56:23.200 what he gives a one where or like a one 0:56:23.239 --> 0:56:26.640 line explanation where he's like, you remind me of someone, 0:56:26.719 --> 0:56:29.120 And I think the application is like his nice, rich 0:56:29.239 --> 0:56:32.640 dad who died. No, I think it's he reminds Steve Carrell, 0:56:32.719 --> 0:56:36.720 reminds him of like who Jacob used to be before 0:56:36.800 --> 0:56:39.680 he learned to be cool and pick up artist. Y. 0:56:40.680 --> 0:56:45.640 I'm guessing his daddy dad. Yeah, his dead dad. I 0:56:45.680 --> 0:56:47.919 thought he was like my I wish I could get 0:56:47.960 --> 0:56:53.040 my nice dead dad laid but you'll do because my 0:56:53.080 --> 0:56:55.520 mom was such a like. I think he really does 0:56:55.560 --> 0:56:58.440 think like my mom was a shrew and I wish 0:56:58.760 --> 0:57:03.000 I could have gotten daddy laid back when he was 0:57:03.560 --> 0:57:09.160 not dead. The logic is so I can't I can't 0:57:09.200 --> 0:57:12.359 get there, but he was. He was so like so 0:57:12.440 --> 0:57:15.080 much time and money. And also I'm like, I guess 0:57:15.120 --> 0:57:17.880 he also just sort of doesn't need a job and 0:57:18.040 --> 0:57:22.120 needs something to do, which is really sad. Yeah, you know, 0:57:22.280 --> 0:57:25.080 it's like take a night class, Ryan Gosli, what are 0:57:25.080 --> 0:57:30.320 you doing in this movie? Yeah? How invested he is 0:57:30.640 --> 0:57:36.840 in cal becoming just like him is very bizarre. It's confusing. 0:57:36.960 --> 0:57:41.120 It does not track who who has that relationship dynamic 0:57:41.400 --> 0:57:46.480 who what man? Who is like busy trying to manipulate women? 0:57:47.080 --> 0:57:49.439 Is it the type of thing where like, deep down, 0:57:49.480 --> 0:57:51.160 you know what you're doing is fucked up, so you 0:57:51.200 --> 0:57:53.320 want other you want to bring other people into what 0:57:53.360 --> 0:57:55.760 you're doing so that you're not alone in your fucked 0:57:55.840 --> 0:58:00.360 up behavior. Is that it? This is going to go 0:58:00.480 --> 0:58:04.760 into my bigger thought of the movie and the general 0:58:05.120 --> 0:58:08.520 world and its thoughts on love and romance and stuff. 0:58:08.920 --> 0:58:14.200 But I think that specifically Jacob's obsession with Cal, aside 0:58:14.200 --> 0:58:16.480 from like why does he want to help him, is 0:58:16.520 --> 0:58:20.280 that like, you know, you're not a person unless you 0:58:20.320 --> 0:58:25.080 are with another person and what you like, we're supposed 0:58:25.120 --> 0:58:27.360 to think that he's like doing a good guy thing 0:58:27.680 --> 0:58:31.360 by helping out someone else, trick another person into it, 0:58:31.640 --> 0:58:33.800 and like that's like the thing that we're like, okay, 0:58:33.920 --> 0:58:36.040 like he's a good guy. He's he's gonna try to 0:58:36.040 --> 0:58:40.040 get his friend, you know, relevant by having his wife 0:58:40.040 --> 0:58:43.720 bag or some of the ship like that. They're just 0:58:43.920 --> 0:58:47.240 so it's such it's such a bizarre dynamic, and it's like, 0:58:50.680 --> 0:58:52.920 I don't know that whole montage where it begins to 0:58:53.000 --> 0:58:55.520 work for Steve Carrell too, I was like what am 0:58:55.560 --> 0:58:58.480 I supposed to be feeling right now? I'm really unclear. 0:58:58.560 --> 0:59:02.320 And what if I'm supposed to be like yeah, amazing, 0:59:02.480 --> 0:59:05.160 or if I'm supposed to be like nasty, like I 0:59:05.320 --> 0:59:07.800 just I don't know. It was hard to put myself 0:59:07.840 --> 0:59:12.400 in brain. But the way, like the music, the camera work, 0:59:12.640 --> 0:59:17.200 like the movie I'm pretty sure wants you to think, wow, awesome, 0:59:17.240 --> 0:59:20.560 he finally got it. He finally clicked, you know, the 0:59:20.680 --> 0:59:24.360 student has become the teacher kind of like he's doing 0:59:24.440 --> 0:59:27.160 it and you're supposed to be like rooting for it. 0:59:27.400 --> 0:59:30.240 I'm pretty sure that was another thing that with just 0:59:30.440 --> 0:59:33.840 for how like I think all the female characters in 0:59:33.840 --> 0:59:36.600 this movie are like written pretty badly, but Hannah's like 0:59:36.720 --> 0:59:39.200 I just don't think she was written at all because 0:59:39.200 --> 0:59:44.280 I was so like, why doesn't she? I understand that. Like, 0:59:44.560 --> 0:59:48.560 so when the twist is Emma Stone is Steve Carell's daughter, 0:59:48.800 --> 0:59:51.800 he immediately like, all of a sudden, it's nineteen fifty 0:59:51.840 --> 0:59:54.360 four and she needs her father's approval to date someone, 0:59:54.560 --> 0:59:57.960 which is like, okay, whatever, and Steve Carell's like, you 0:59:57.960 --> 1:00:00.480 will never get my approval and you're like, oh my god, 1:00:00.520 --> 1:00:02.720 please give your approval. So the movie can end. But like, 1:00:04.160 --> 1:00:08.120 but I also don't really understand why, Like if Emma 1:00:08.240 --> 1:00:13.640 Stone fully understands the extent to which Jacob like was 1:00:14.400 --> 1:00:17.600 trying to turn her father into a pickup artist, and 1:00:17.680 --> 1:00:21.400 if so, why doesn't I would feel weird about that. 1:00:21.440 --> 1:00:22.920 I feel like that would be at least that at 1:00:22.960 --> 1:00:27.120 least warrants a scene and a conversation of like, why 1:00:27.160 --> 1:00:29.880 doesn't this bother her? It would really bother me if 1:00:29.880 --> 1:00:31.520 I thought I had met the love of my life 1:00:31.560 --> 1:00:33.880 and he had spent every night for the past three 1:00:33.880 --> 1:00:38.800 months trying to get my father laid under nefarious pretenses, 1:00:38.920 --> 1:00:41.520 Like that's really that's like a that's a big reveal 1:00:42.440 --> 1:00:44.840 breaking up for sure. If he ever tells her the 1:00:44.880 --> 1:00:49.360 truth about that, there's like no way but that like 1:00:49.440 --> 1:00:52.840 that's a that's a that's a revelation. Yeah, I have 1:00:52.880 --> 1:00:54.640 to imagine that she's just sort of left in the 1:00:54.720 --> 1:00:59.760 dark about that. That's so fucked up. I hope they're 1:01:00.040 --> 1:01:02.960 way is in shambles after the movie, and I truly 1:01:02.960 --> 1:01:09.040 hope that. Oh my god, I like, yeah, that whole 1:01:09.080 --> 1:01:11.560 I was just like why, like because she she was 1:01:11.600 --> 1:01:17.480 like daddy also, daddy, daddy, daddy, it's okay, and and 1:01:17.600 --> 1:01:20.520 I'm like, why is it okay with you? Or I 1:01:20.600 --> 1:01:23.200 just wasn't clear, and like if she knew and didn't 1:01:23.200 --> 1:01:25.720 care for some reason, or if just no one had 1:01:25.760 --> 1:01:28.480 told her and she was living in the dark in 1:01:28.600 --> 1:01:33.400 terms of Ryan Gosling's weird past, because I know that 1:01:33.680 --> 1:01:37.120 she she knows that he tries to get women really 1:01:37.240 --> 1:01:42.160 drunk and treats them like their machines, but she I 1:01:42.160 --> 1:01:46.040 don't think she knows his history with Daddy. But I 1:01:46.160 --> 1:01:49.120 have no idea either one would be grounds if if 1:01:49.120 --> 1:01:52.560 I just found out, oh, you used to be a 1:01:52.680 --> 1:01:56.240 unrepentant pickup artist and you did this what seems to 1:01:56.240 --> 1:01:59.400 be every night of your life, I would just need 1:01:59.520 --> 1:02:02.760 some real I would need some real progress reports. I 1:02:02.760 --> 1:02:04.800 would feel like, Okay, how long have you not been 1:02:05.160 --> 1:02:10.080 a pickup artist? Forty five minutes? Okay? Like yeah, But 1:02:10.120 --> 1:02:13.800 it goes back to the reason that he stops is because, like, 1:02:14.880 --> 1:02:17.360 he found a girl who's not like the other girls. 1:02:17.520 --> 1:02:22.160 He found someone who he can goof with. And the 1:02:22.280 --> 1:02:27.080 chemistry between Emma Stone and Ryan Gosling, it's electric. It's 1:02:27.720 --> 1:02:32.520 it's not the press. I just I hate that aspect 1:02:32.880 --> 1:02:37.360 of it and then yeah, when the big reveal happens 1:02:37.800 --> 1:02:43.560 and Cal finds out that his daughter's daughter is dating 1:02:43.920 --> 1:02:48.600 this guy who he knows to be this like sleazy womanizer, 1:02:49.760 --> 1:02:53.760 he like gets mad at Hannah. He gets mad at Jacob, 1:02:53.840 --> 1:02:57.880 but he's also like he refuses to like he doesn't 1:02:58.080 --> 1:03:02.520 respect her autonomy or her decisions. He won't talk to 1:03:02.640 --> 1:03:05.800 her unless she breaks up with him, like he's placing 1:03:05.800 --> 1:03:08.240 a lot of blame on her. And then what he's 1:03:08.280 --> 1:03:13.480 also not doing is noticing the like staggering hypocrisy of 1:03:13.560 --> 1:03:17.400 his situation where he hates Jacob for being a pickup 1:03:17.520 --> 1:03:20.480 art like a womanizer, but that's what he was just 1:03:20.560 --> 1:03:26.680 doing with like eight different women nine Like a, wait, 1:03:26.720 --> 1:03:29.800 it's nine, but I thought it was nine women eight 1:03:29.920 --> 1:03:34.080 plus Julian Moore. I think it's nine. Oh is it 1:03:34.160 --> 1:03:37.640 nine total or nine plus Julianne Moore. I hesitate to 1:03:37.680 --> 1:03:41.480 believe that Dan Fogelman and John Requa really did that 1:03:41.520 --> 1:03:46.440 accurate math, So I'm not sure. I mean, ultimately, it 1:03:46.520 --> 1:03:49.920 was like Jacob ends up getting this like little redemption 1:03:50.080 --> 1:03:56.200 arc which is totally unearned and doesn't really make any sense, 1:03:56.680 --> 1:04:01.240 and Cal is a hypocrite and he's he's he's like 1:04:01.600 --> 1:04:06.800 berating his daughter for having autonomy over her own life. Meanwhile, 1:04:07.000 --> 1:04:11.240 also she's wrong and she isn't a real person. She's like, 1:04:12.680 --> 1:04:16.680 so that's excusing. But then even so, like he if 1:04:16.720 --> 1:04:18.920 we just look at it, like he is not respecting 1:04:18.960 --> 1:04:21.600 his daughter's choice. It's like the whole like eight simple 1:04:21.680 --> 1:04:25.479 Rules of Daring Martoonage daughter thing, where like he thinks 1:04:25.560 --> 1:04:29.920 that he just can control his daughter's life. But if 1:04:30.000 --> 1:04:33.760 he really wanted to do something, he would just have 1:04:33.920 --> 1:04:35.920 to be totally honest with her. Maybe this is in 1:04:36.040 --> 1:04:39.120 the fifty hour cut of the movie, but like he 1:04:39.200 --> 1:04:41.600 would have to be honest with her and be like, 1:04:42.440 --> 1:04:44.960 because he's being really vague, he's like, he's not a 1:04:45.040 --> 1:04:47.320 good guy. He's not a good guy, which could just 1:04:47.440 --> 1:04:52.080 be an overprotective father like trope thing. But he also 1:04:52.240 --> 1:04:55.360 like if he I don't know, I would like understand 1:04:55.400 --> 1:04:56.960 the storyline a little better if he went to her 1:04:57.000 --> 1:05:00.040 and was like, look, he's not a good guy. I 1:05:00.160 --> 1:05:02.920 have I have receipts. I could be specific. Here's how 1:05:03.000 --> 1:05:05.560 I know. He taught me how to be a really 1:05:05.960 --> 1:05:08.440 like an even worse guy, and I regret it and 1:05:08.560 --> 1:05:11.400 I'm sorry, and like this is why I have all 1:05:11.440 --> 1:05:15.120 this information, and that like that would have been at 1:05:15.200 --> 1:05:18.800 least something that you're like, oh, this character has grown, 1:05:19.240 --> 1:05:21.800 But he doesn't do that. He's just like he's bad. 1:05:22.480 --> 1:05:24.640 I can't get more specific because it will make me 1:05:24.760 --> 1:05:29.160 look bad. You're like really okay, and then again and 1:05:29.240 --> 1:05:31.200 he's like, I have nothing more to say to you 1:05:31.360 --> 1:05:35.080 if you're going to keep dating him. Meanwhile, his son 1:05:35.880 --> 1:05:40.120 is harassing the babysitter relentlessly and he's not doing anything 1:05:40.200 --> 1:05:43.880 about that. But he's like, but my daughter, she's dating someone, 1:05:44.040 --> 1:05:47.400 and I'm furious about it. Okay, let's just get to 1:05:47.520 --> 1:05:54.160 the sun. I Robbie is I think the most problematic 1:05:54.320 --> 1:06:00.160 character in the movie. He's right up there. What the 1:06:00.360 --> 1:06:04.520 fuck is going on here? This is like again just 1:06:04.680 --> 1:06:08.360 like embodies so many shitty tropes all at once. Like 1:06:08.480 --> 1:06:12.720 he's just a because he's precocious child trope, like wise 1:06:12.760 --> 1:06:16.600 beyond his years, giving Shakespearean soliloquies that you're just like 1:06:17.040 --> 1:06:20.640 get his thirteen he would be like like where are 1:06:20.720 --> 1:06:25.919 my Naruto cards? Like like the so he but he's 1:06:25.960 --> 1:06:30.480 also like hyper sexualized, which is which is a choice, 1:06:31.200 --> 1:06:36.120 but also like he's both really immature and really mature 1:06:36.240 --> 1:06:40.160 at the same time, like it it seemed to see 1:06:40.320 --> 1:06:44.520 he varies. You don't know which Robbie you're going to get, 1:06:45.360 --> 1:06:48.880 but I hate them all. Also, I think we are 1:06:48.960 --> 1:06:52.040 introduced to him while he's jacking off. I think that's 1:06:52.120 --> 1:06:55.960 the first here, our first reaction with Robbie. I think 1:06:56.000 --> 1:06:58.280 that I don't know. Yeah, so we're introduced to him 1:06:58.400 --> 1:07:03.040 when he is mass reading. The scene immediately after is 1:07:03.600 --> 1:07:10.000 the first of many times that he's aggressively harassing his babysitter. Um. 1:07:10.240 --> 1:07:12.400 I feel like his entire character is summed up in 1:07:12.440 --> 1:07:15.880 the line I'm not gonna stop sending Jessica text messages 1:07:15.920 --> 1:07:19.320 that make her feel uncomfortable, just literally a line of dialogue, 1:07:19.320 --> 1:07:22.840 he says, and and to Kevin Bacon, to Kevin Bacon, 1:07:23.120 --> 1:07:26.480 poor Kevin Bacon, have even listen to Jonah Bobos about 1:07:26.600 --> 1:07:31.800 this toxic rhetoric. Um, But that's like his entire character, 1:07:32.000 --> 1:07:36.000 Like he is constantly and I hate this so much. 1:07:36.280 --> 1:07:39.880 Probably it's a personal thing because it makes me extremely uncomfortable. 1:07:40.200 --> 1:07:43.560 But like the whole idea of like if you are 1:07:43.680 --> 1:07:47.760 rejected explicitly, not even like, oh, I don't think she 1:07:47.920 --> 1:07:51.160 likes me, She sends him a text saying stop this, 1:07:51.520 --> 1:07:55.160 you are making me uncomfortable, and then he doubles and 1:07:55.200 --> 1:07:58.480 triples down and the whole like grand, I hate the 1:07:58.560 --> 1:08:01.680 whole Grand Jessicing. I think it's like the cringe eest was. 1:08:02.280 --> 1:08:04.600 I know some people like grand gestures. They make me 1:08:04.680 --> 1:08:08.600 so uncomfortable, hat and so many So Yeah, like so 1:08:08.760 --> 1:08:11.000 much of this movie is and I feel like there's 1:08:11.000 --> 1:08:14.360 an element of that um with when Emmastone meets Ryan 1:08:14.440 --> 1:08:18.880 Gosling of like no means yes, of like she's like, no, 1:08:19.080 --> 1:08:24.160 I don't like you know, I'm not. And it's kind 1:08:24.200 --> 1:08:28.439 of similar with this Robbie Jessica storyline where she's like, 1:08:28.600 --> 1:08:31.000 I don't want you to do this does make me uncomfortable, 1:08:31.120 --> 1:08:33.200 and then he will like he does this weird thing 1:08:33.280 --> 1:08:36.000 with the scarlet letter, he does this, he just keeps 1:08:36.120 --> 1:08:38.439 doing ship, He's showing up at her house, He's doing 1:08:38.479 --> 1:08:42.160 all this stuff. And then eventually she's like, I love it, 1:08:42.600 --> 1:08:45.880 I love it, and actually I love you. He's rewarded 1:08:46.800 --> 1:08:50.599 when she gives him her nude photos, which we will 1:08:51.400 --> 1:08:53.679 get to why she has those in a in a second. 1:08:53.720 --> 1:08:57.720 But yeah, like it's this like war of attrition that 1:08:57.840 --> 1:08:59.519 all the men in this movie are doing where they 1:08:59.560 --> 1:09:04.200 are wearing these women down until they relent for question 1:09:04.240 --> 1:09:07.320 mark reasons because these these women are written so poorly. 1:09:09.360 --> 1:09:11.679 I mean, yes, they are written poorly, but I feel 1:09:11.800 --> 1:09:17.160 like in general, we are taught to believe that you 1:09:17.479 --> 1:09:22.519 have to pursue a person until they fold. Like that's 1:09:22.560 --> 1:09:26.800 the whole entire thing about love and how like the 1:09:26.880 --> 1:09:30.360 whole like marriage and soulmates ship is just like if 1:09:30.400 --> 1:09:33.840 you find somebody really really like, you better dig your 1:09:33.880 --> 1:09:36.800 heels in because someday they all say yes. And like 1:09:36.960 --> 1:09:40.240 that's like the grossest part of some of this stuff 1:09:40.520 --> 1:09:43.120 in the movie is that it is like it's accurate 1:09:43.240 --> 1:09:46.560 to how people behave Yeah right, I mean it just 1:09:46.840 --> 1:09:50.040 it reinforced. It like takes behavior that like people have 1:09:50.160 --> 1:09:53.040 been conditioned with thinking is like the right way to 1:09:53.200 --> 1:09:55.479 do it, and then it just like reinforces it rather 1:09:55.560 --> 1:10:00.120 than like examining, Hey, maybe that's not the way to 1:10:00.479 --> 1:10:04.960 do it. Maybe this is like getting like a little dark. 1:10:05.040 --> 1:10:07.640 But even how like, I mean, the way that the 1:10:07.800 --> 1:10:12.280 Robbie Jessica thing resolves is just like uh like, but 1:10:12.600 --> 1:10:16.080 I I do like there were times when it seems 1:10:16.120 --> 1:10:18.240 like she was really in a way that I'm like, 1:10:18.280 --> 1:10:21.479 I don't even know if this was written intentionally or 1:10:21.720 --> 1:10:25.280 if the like the actors playing Jessica was like doing 1:10:25.320 --> 1:10:29.439 a subtle thing, but it seems like, you know, we're 1:10:29.479 --> 1:10:32.519 also often taught like it's easier to like let someone 1:10:32.680 --> 1:10:37.280 down easy. It's easier to be very gentle and coddleman's 1:10:37.360 --> 1:10:42.479 feelings literally for safety purposes, Like if you don't, like, 1:10:42.920 --> 1:10:46.520 you know, engage with someone who's making you very uncomfortable 1:10:46.680 --> 1:10:49.120 in a way that is very like accommodating to them, 1:10:49.439 --> 1:10:52.800 you could get harmed. And that was like there were 1:10:52.840 --> 1:10:55.559 moments that I'm like, oh, I don't think that they 1:10:55.600 --> 1:10:57.519 were trying to say that, But if I were Jessica 1:10:57.760 --> 1:11:02.000 and the same boy was escalating behavior that I didn't 1:11:02.120 --> 1:11:06.000 like treating me, you know, like in more and more 1:11:06.120 --> 1:11:09.519 bizarre ways, I feel like there is like a place 1:11:09.600 --> 1:11:12.200 in my head, especially when I was younger, that I 1:11:12.240 --> 1:11:14.880 would be like, oh, i'd better like kind of coddle 1:11:14.920 --> 1:11:18.599 and protect this person's feelings because they're behaving really scary 1:11:18.720 --> 1:11:21.200 and like, you don't know what someone will do if 1:11:21.280 --> 1:11:24.920 you just keep like so I appreciate that we did 1:11:25.040 --> 1:11:30.400 see her reject him outright several times and say stop, stop, stop, 1:11:31.560 --> 1:11:34.120 But then it's like, I don't know. I I think 1:11:34.160 --> 1:11:38.320 that like in a real life situation, like we are 1:11:38.439 --> 1:11:41.960 kind of taught for our own safety to to not 1:11:42.360 --> 1:11:48.760 be like quite so direct constantly, which is so depressing 1:11:48.800 --> 1:11:52.280 because it's like, well, you never know when someone's gonna 1:11:52.400 --> 1:11:56.200 murder you, like right, and like and Sammy, like you're saying, 1:11:56.720 --> 1:11:59.880 the behavior that's on display here in this movie is 1:12:00.520 --> 1:12:05.519 reflective of this era that the movie comes out inn 1:12:05.720 --> 1:12:09.880 Like it's wild to think that ten years ago, which 1:12:09.960 --> 1:12:13.439 doesn't feel like that long ago, but like that was 1:12:13.840 --> 1:12:17.920 still very much the attitude that people had that you, 1:12:18.560 --> 1:12:22.519 if you really like someone, you aggressively pursue them until 1:12:22.560 --> 1:12:26.400 they have no choice but to relent. And that is 1:12:26.439 --> 1:12:31.200 actually awesome and romantic and not creepy and harassy and stockery. 1:12:32.160 --> 1:12:36.000 That yeah, that was that we were all still very 1:12:36.080 --> 1:12:40.200 much subscribing to that magazine. I mean, unfortunately, I feel 1:12:40.240 --> 1:12:44.320 like it's still what people are striving for, is that 1:12:44.479 --> 1:12:48.120 like the whole thing of like relationships, in the beginning 1:12:48.120 --> 1:12:50.479 of relationship, like there needs to be a little bit 1:12:50.520 --> 1:12:53.519 of drama. There needs to be somebody like pretending or 1:12:53.560 --> 1:12:55.479 playing a game, and like I feel like that's just 1:12:55.600 --> 1:12:58.760 such ship and even like the whole like soulmate thing 1:12:59.000 --> 1:13:01.360 is like ridiculous, is like that doesn't even make sense 1:13:01.400 --> 1:13:02.960 because if you look at most of the people who 1:13:03.000 --> 1:13:05.000 are married, they're married to people who they work with, 1:13:05.200 --> 1:13:08.400 and you're definitely probably not going to find your soul 1:13:08.479 --> 1:13:18.719 mate at your job. Sorry, God Willing. It's so yeah, 1:13:18.920 --> 1:13:21.839 like and and that whole I mean, the whole idea 1:13:21.920 --> 1:13:26.519 of how soulmates are presented is so manipulative because it's 1:13:26.600 --> 1:13:31.599 like the whole Okay, the eighth grade graduation when Jonah 1:13:31.600 --> 1:13:35.759 Bobo is making a speech, he's like love sucks love 1:13:36.080 --> 1:13:39.840 like love's and then and then Steve Carrell stands up 1:13:40.080 --> 1:13:42.679 like wait, and you're like, oh my god. If you're 1:13:42.800 --> 1:13:45.160 just like a parent at this, You're like, what is 1:13:45.240 --> 1:13:48.360 going on? Who is this man? I need to go home. 1:13:48.680 --> 1:13:51.880 I have to pee, Like why is Steve Carrell standing 1:13:52.000 --> 1:13:55.000 up here? But Steve Carrell goes down and gives the 1:13:55.160 --> 1:13:58.880 most toxic speech of all time where he's like, my 1:13:59.040 --> 1:14:01.280 son doesn't mean what he says. I think my son 1:14:01.600 --> 1:14:06.439 is not very smart anyways, uh like, and then he 1:14:06.560 --> 1:14:09.400 goes into like my son believes in soulmates and just 1:14:09.880 --> 1:14:13.479 the whole where is the line that absolutely maybe want 1:14:13.520 --> 1:14:15.400 to die. That's a lot of them, But there there 1:14:16.200 --> 1:14:19.240 was a line where he basically says that like, oh, 1:14:19.360 --> 1:14:23.200 my son believes in grand romantic gestures, which is code 1:14:23.280 --> 1:14:26.240 for harassing women until they give into what you want, 1:14:26.840 --> 1:14:30.400 and invokes this idea of soulmates as something that like, 1:14:30.880 --> 1:14:33.000 you know, it's like, oh, just keep bothering your soulmate 1:14:33.080 --> 1:14:34.800 until they talk to you. It's like, no, if your 1:14:34.840 --> 1:14:37.320 soulmate was your soulmate, they would want to talk to you. 1:14:38.360 --> 1:14:41.720 That is the basic dissidence of like, they're not your 1:14:41.760 --> 1:14:43.640 soul mate if they don't want to be around you 1:14:43.880 --> 1:14:47.679 or speak to you. Like, that's not how that works. 1:14:48.120 --> 1:14:52.240 Like it's just such a basic thing that he's presenting 1:14:52.720 --> 1:14:56.800 as like keep going, keep going, and and she'll change 1:14:56.800 --> 1:15:03.280 your mind eventually. But apparently screenwriter Dan Fogelman nor directors 1:15:03.520 --> 1:15:09.439 Glenn or John Requa know this. Oh my god. Their 1:15:09.600 --> 1:15:12.640 their resume is funny too. Well, yeah, bad Santas in 1:15:12.680 --> 1:15:16.439 their Bad Santas in Their Cats and Dogs, a movie 1:15:16.520 --> 1:15:19.280 that may be so scared I cried when I was 1:15:19.320 --> 1:15:25.200 a kid. Um and the upcoming Jungle Cruise movie. Oh, 1:15:25.320 --> 1:15:29.120 starring the Rock, starring the Rock. They wrote a trailer 1:15:29.720 --> 1:15:33.679 they also okay to their credit they're only like credits 1:15:33.720 --> 1:15:36.920 that are like, oh are the first ones they did? Um, 1:15:37.080 --> 1:15:38.960 they did right on the Wild thorn Berries and the 1:15:39.000 --> 1:15:43.920 Angry Beavers. Good for them. Uh. They also are uncredited 1:15:44.520 --> 1:15:48.519 on Looney Tunes Back in Action starring Brendan Fraser. So 1:15:48.800 --> 1:15:52.160 you know, they clearly deserved to make a fifty million 1:15:52.240 --> 1:15:55.360 dollar five hour rom com. It makes total sense to me. 1:15:56.080 --> 1:16:03.439 M hm um also is produced by Denise dano Vi. Yeah, 1:16:03.640 --> 1:16:06.040 who is who we've spoken about on the show before. 1:16:06.560 --> 1:16:10.480 She's kind of an iconic producer who has really championed 1:16:10.560 --> 1:16:14.160 a lot of amazing movies, very often champions movies that 1:16:14.360 --> 1:16:19.519 are um driven and run by women. Um we I 1:16:19.560 --> 1:16:23.320 think we talked about her most Indie Little Women episode 1:16:23.439 --> 1:16:27.040 because she um, she got both the nineties and the 1:16:27.280 --> 1:16:30.800 two thousand tens one made. Um, She's just behind a 1:16:30.840 --> 1:16:33.439 lot of cool movies and um, but this isn't one 1:16:33.520 --> 1:16:38.840 of them. No, No it's not. I should we talk 1:16:38.880 --> 1:16:43.920 about Jessica the Babysitter being in love with cow yes, 1:16:44.080 --> 1:16:45.640 and then I need to shove my head into the 1:16:45.680 --> 1:16:51.040 garbage disposal, so we'd better get to it. Okay, So 1:16:51.800 --> 1:16:56.080 it's established that she is in love with Steve Carrell, 1:16:56.920 --> 1:16:59.000 and I guess we just have to suspend our disbelief 1:16:59.080 --> 1:17:02.760 for that. That. Yeah, it's like this is this is 1:17:02.800 --> 1:17:05.000 a setup we've seen before. I don't think it's the 1:17:05.840 --> 1:17:08.719 like if it's handled well, this isn't always the worst setup. 1:17:08.800 --> 1:17:11.439 It's like, you know a teenager who has a crush 1:17:11.600 --> 1:17:16.840 on someone older. It's like, Okay, it's happy, how it goes, 1:17:17.240 --> 1:17:21.720 let's see what they do. But then this happens so 1:17:22.160 --> 1:17:28.720 um basically her, a classmate of hers, who is presumably 1:17:28.920 --> 1:17:33.120 another seventeen year old, is said to be having sex 1:17:33.200 --> 1:17:35.439 with a lot of older men all the time. This 1:17:35.640 --> 1:17:39.400 is one of the least realistically written teen characters. I'm 1:17:39.439 --> 1:17:42.479 like Dan Fog imagine Dan Folg woman sitting in his 1:17:42.640 --> 1:17:46.000 car's mansion trying to imagine how seventeen year old girls 1:17:46.040 --> 1:17:49.960 talk to each other, and then writing that scene awful, ridiculous. 1:17:50.160 --> 1:17:53.080 He also wrote Tangled, which like, now I have to 1:17:53.160 --> 1:17:56.280 go back and rewatch Tangled to be like, no, don't 1:17:56.320 --> 1:18:02.439 take Tangled from me. Got to cover that someday soon. Anyway, 1:18:02.720 --> 1:18:07.479 fred claws cars to oh car cars, you know, I 1:18:07.560 --> 1:18:15.519 will say, haunt cars too, better than cars one anyway, 1:18:15.600 --> 1:18:19.000 So this classmate of Jessica's says, well, if you want 1:18:19.040 --> 1:18:21.080 an older man to be interested in you, you have 1:18:21.200 --> 1:18:24.000 to send him a message, send him pictures that let 1:18:24.200 --> 1:18:31.240 him know. So Jessica proceeds to take nude photos of herself, 1:18:31.640 --> 1:18:35.400 which this actor was not underage when this movie was shot. 1:18:35.560 --> 1:18:38.040 I checked because she and Amazon are the same age. 1:18:38.160 --> 1:18:41.720 But yeah, it's implied child pornography and we're supposed to 1:18:41.760 --> 1:18:46.479 be like ha ha, she okay, So that's what they do. 1:18:46.960 --> 1:18:50.080 So she prints them out because it's and we all 1:18:50.200 --> 1:18:54.160 had photo printers, I guess, and with the intent of 1:18:54.280 --> 1:18:58.680 giving them to cal But before she can, Jessica's mother 1:18:58.800 --> 1:19:03.320 finds these photos and then shows them to her dad, 1:19:04.040 --> 1:19:08.320 which is like, in what fucking world, what of her daughter? 1:19:08.520 --> 1:19:12.000 You would go and talk to your daughter for right? 1:19:12.240 --> 1:19:14.960 I mean, I guess, I guess, I mean it is 1:19:15.240 --> 1:19:18.800 like she it's not inconceivable to be that a bad 1:19:18.960 --> 1:19:22.240 parent would do that, And every parent in this movie 1:19:22.400 --> 1:19:25.760 is a bad parent, except for Julianne Moore sometimes. But 1:19:26.000 --> 1:19:30.680 it's so and it's played so jokey. I also like 1:19:31.040 --> 1:19:33.360 John Carol Lynch a lot, and I don't like when 1:19:33.400 --> 1:19:37.439 he's misused in movies. He's a character actor icon. Come on, 1:19:37.520 --> 1:19:40.479 you're gonna treat Mr Fargo like that? I mean, I 1:19:40.560 --> 1:19:43.880 think it's house I think it completely stands to reason 1:19:44.360 --> 1:19:48.120 that Jessica's mom would tell her dad about but to 1:19:48.320 --> 1:19:52.000 show them show him the photos. Yeah, I feel like 1:19:52.040 --> 1:19:54.960 as a mother, you destroy the photos or I don't know, 1:19:55.040 --> 1:19:56.160 I don't know what you do. I don't want to 1:19:56.160 --> 1:19:57.879 think of I don't want to be in this situation. 1:19:58.360 --> 1:20:01.479 Why why is this happening at the end of the movie. Yeah? What? 1:20:01.640 --> 1:20:04.000 I yeah? What I what? What happened? I don't know 1:20:04.160 --> 1:20:05.920 exactly the best way to handle it. I know the 1:20:05.960 --> 1:20:08.559 worst way to handle it, which is to show nude 1:20:08.600 --> 1:20:13.559 photos of a teenage girl. She's sitting right there too. 1:20:13.920 --> 1:20:19.280 Like it's just horrifying, yucky, yucky. Yeah that I mean, 1:20:19.520 --> 1:20:22.320 Like I want to be clear, Like I don't blame 1:20:22.800 --> 1:20:27.880 the girls, neither Jessica nor this classmate of hers, Like 1:20:28.040 --> 1:20:31.840 I blame the adult filmmakers who put these scenes into 1:20:31.920 --> 1:20:34.760 this movie. Yeah, these people are not real And like 1:20:35.000 --> 1:20:38.639 this writer cannot write a female character like to save 1:20:38.760 --> 1:20:42.960 his life. He also made This is Us apparently anyways. Yeah, 1:20:43.080 --> 1:20:45.960 it's like the way that the teenage girls are written 1:20:46.200 --> 1:20:49.840 is like pretty unrealistic, and the way that this like 1:20:50.479 --> 1:20:55.599 you know, like really serious thing is treated is as 1:20:56.160 --> 1:21:00.320 a quick joke to get us to the scene where 1:21:00.720 --> 1:21:03.360 all the men fite each other. Yeah, it's just like 1:21:03.479 --> 1:21:05.120 I just like if you're if you as a writer 1:21:05.320 --> 1:21:09.960 or not like equipped to like deal with a storyline 1:21:10.000 --> 1:21:12.439 like that responsibly, just like find another way to get 1:21:12.520 --> 1:21:14.720 John Carroll Lynch to punch Steve Carrell in the face. 1:21:14.840 --> 1:21:17.240 Like there's so many other ways to get there, and 1:21:17.360 --> 1:21:20.000 like if you need to get there, but like putting 1:21:20.120 --> 1:21:25.800 that level of like those are like gigantic steaks to 1:21:26.200 --> 1:21:28.760 put if you don't know how to write a storyline 1:21:28.800 --> 1:21:30.400 like that, and you don't know how to write a 1:21:30.960 --> 1:21:35.559 teenage girl character, Like I I just don't even understand 1:21:35.600 --> 1:21:38.120 why the writer would put that in there, you know 1:21:38.160 --> 1:21:40.360 what I mean, Like it's just an it's an easy, 1:21:40.479 --> 1:21:46.080 bad plot point to get to without that level of seriousness. 1:21:46.400 --> 1:21:49.439 I don't know. I feel like the whole entire, like 1:21:49.640 --> 1:21:53.000 Jessica being in love with cal does not even need 1:21:53.080 --> 1:21:56.200 to be in the movie whatsoever. No, it doesn't make 1:21:56.280 --> 1:21:59.280 sense to me. She could have just been a normal babysitter. 1:22:00.120 --> 1:22:05.320 These perverts wanted that in there. So weird and it's 1:22:05.360 --> 1:22:07.439 like also, I yeah, I guess I don't understand the 1:22:07.680 --> 1:22:11.640 plot relevance it has either, because it's like are we 1:22:11.720 --> 1:22:14.680 supposed to think? Like, oh, no, Steve Carrell is a 1:22:14.760 --> 1:22:19.840 really viable guy, like what what? What are we being? Uh? 1:22:20.439 --> 1:22:24.719 And which? So it doesn't go anywhere. I mean, I'm glad, obviously, 1:22:24.720 --> 1:22:26.560 I'm glad it doesn't go anywhere, but it's just like, 1:22:26.720 --> 1:22:30.560 why is it there? I guess like the theme of 1:22:30.600 --> 1:22:36.240 the movie is everyone's in love with somebody who who 1:22:36.400 --> 1:22:41.040 is near them. I'm just so glad Steve Carrell, Like Steve, 1:22:42.640 --> 1:22:46.280 that's a shirt, that's a T shirt. I'm just glad 1:22:46.320 --> 1:22:51.160 Steve Carrell like finally stopped doing these midlife Crisis five 1:22:51.880 --> 1:22:54.559 movies because Okay, I'm gonna just like list some because 1:22:54.560 --> 1:22:57.840 there were so many. Um there was Dan in real life. 1:22:58.200 --> 1:23:00.080 That was one of them. I think that was be 1:23:00.160 --> 1:23:02.560 the first one where his head's on the pancakes and 1:23:02.640 --> 1:23:07.800 it was and it's boring. Um there was um this movie. 1:23:08.280 --> 1:23:10.360 There was the next year seeking a friend for the 1:23:10.479 --> 1:23:13.960 end of the world. Uh, there was the Way Way Back, 1:23:14.880 --> 1:23:18.240 which I fun facted one day of paying on because 1:23:18.280 --> 1:23:21.559 he shot at in Massachusetts. Um. And then and then 1:23:21.600 --> 1:23:26.280 I think that this, um, this ends in when he 1:23:26.400 --> 1:23:29.720 successfully plays a dramatic role in Fox Catcher. But that's 1:23:29.760 --> 1:23:33.880 like five movies where he's playing the same midlife crisis guy. Um. 1:23:34.240 --> 1:23:36.559 And oh, I guess you could maybe argue it started 1:23:36.880 --> 1:23:39.720 with Little Miss Sunshine, which it like starts on a 1:23:39.800 --> 1:23:42.320 high note because it's like an indie Darling where he 1:23:42.439 --> 1:23:45.000 has a serious you know, like it's like I'm in 1:23:45.160 --> 1:23:47.880 middle aged man in crisis. But then he keeps playing 1:23:47.920 --> 1:23:50.479 that role, and then eventually he gets the Fox Catcher 1:23:50.680 --> 1:23:53.200 and now and he's like, Okay, I got my nominations 1:23:53.240 --> 1:23:55.800 for things, and now I can go back to being 1:23:56.000 --> 1:23:58.400 a great comedian. Why was he doing these movies? It's 1:23:58.439 --> 1:24:03.640 just confusing his range, probably on the I guess, but 1:24:03.760 --> 1:24:06.040 it's like, is he good in this movie? Not like 1:24:06.520 --> 1:24:09.400 he could be Steve Carrell could be anyone in this movie. 1:24:09.640 --> 1:24:12.560 Any man could be this man. But I read the 1:24:13.120 --> 1:24:17.280 screenwriter wrote this script with Steve Carrell in mind, so 1:24:17.439 --> 1:24:21.840 he was like writing it for him specifically, I wonder 1:24:21.880 --> 1:24:25.040 if he did the same thing with Lightning McQueen. I wonder, 1:24:25.120 --> 1:24:29.040 I wonder if he was like, so yeah, I really 1:24:29.120 --> 1:24:32.280 couldn't imagine anyone but Owen Wilson as Lightning, and it 1:24:32.400 --> 1:24:39.559 really informed my process. Like I honestly, I guess Larry 1:24:39.600 --> 1:24:43.000 the cable guide that what's his name made her Maybe 1:24:43.040 --> 1:24:45.680 that was written for him. That might have been the 1:24:45.760 --> 1:24:51.600 Fogelman technique choose the actor first. Anyways, what's funny to 1:24:51.680 --> 1:24:55.360 me is that, like, Steve Carrell is actually incredibly handsome, 1:24:55.400 --> 1:24:59.160 and they could have made him as handsome or more 1:24:59.280 --> 1:25:01.960 handsome than and Ryan Gosling, but they chose to give 1:25:02.040 --> 1:25:06.599 him this like very weird, like seven layer middle aged 1:25:06.760 --> 1:25:09.840 man outfit rather than like leveling him up to be 1:25:10.080 --> 1:25:12.840 like as hot as he is in real life, which 1:25:12.920 --> 1:25:17.080 is interesting. Yeah, because like Steve Curl isn't attract I mean, 1:25:17.320 --> 1:25:19.680 he's an attractive man. And I also feel like it's 1:25:19.720 --> 1:25:22.760 like the way that the coding that movies used to 1:25:22.840 --> 1:25:25.519 tell you who's attractive and who isn't is always just 1:25:25.960 --> 1:25:33.240 so dissonant and just bizarre. And a couple last things 1:25:33.280 --> 1:25:36.240 I wanted to bring up this is obviously a very 1:25:36.640 --> 1:25:40.800 hetero movie. Everyone is in love with you know, men 1:25:40.880 --> 1:25:43.360 are in love with women, women are in love with men. 1:25:43.600 --> 1:25:47.080 There's everyone's white and has plenty of money, like, oh, 1:25:47.200 --> 1:25:50.759 you know, all that kind of stuff. Um. In addition 1:25:50.800 --> 1:25:55.200 to that, there are a few homophobic jokes that get made, 1:25:55.520 --> 1:25:58.960 where the first time Cal sees Jacob across the bar, 1:25:59.520 --> 1:26:03.880 he just looks at him and says gay because he's 1:26:04.720 --> 1:26:09.880 homophobic and awful. There's an AIDS Jokes joke a few 1:26:09.920 --> 1:26:13.000 scenes later, um at the same again, the same bar, 1:26:13.760 --> 1:26:16.320 when Cal and Jacob actually talked for the first time, 1:26:16.760 --> 1:26:20.720 Jacob comments on how Cal drinking a drink through a 1:26:20.800 --> 1:26:24.400 straw makes him look like he's sucking on a tiny penis. 1:26:25.160 --> 1:26:27.759 But he's also used I guess is his character supposed 1:26:27.760 --> 1:26:30.840 to be? Is Jacob supposed to be Jewish? Because he 1:26:30.960 --> 1:26:35.400 keeps saying either like Hebrew or Yiddish words throughout the movie. 1:26:36.160 --> 1:26:40.599 Maybe that's in the director's cut, that that when you've 1:26:40.600 --> 1:26:47.240 got a whole explanation about Jacob's upbringing outside of mean mommy, 1:26:47.400 --> 1:26:52.800 nice daddy. Right. Um. And then there's a I guess 1:26:52.880 --> 1:26:56.919 what's meant to be a visual joke when Cal passes 1:26:56.960 --> 1:27:03.519 out in a sauna into Jacob's good crotch. And that's comedy, 1:27:03.800 --> 1:27:09.280 baby man. I h I just I like want better 1:27:09.479 --> 1:27:14.680 for basically every actor in this except for Jonah Bubo unfortunately, 1:27:15.320 --> 1:27:20.240 who has since retired. He's he's done so he's writing 1:27:20.280 --> 1:27:24.040 folk music anywhere. Statement hats I checked. Okay, wow, thanks 1:27:24.080 --> 1:27:27.200 for doing that important research. That's the real that, That's 1:27:27.240 --> 1:27:30.679 what I'm here for. And then the other thing we're 1:27:31.160 --> 1:27:35.599 bringing up is the title of this movie crazy Comma, 1:27:35.760 --> 1:27:40.040 stupid comma, love period. And this this is a conversation 1:27:40.200 --> 1:27:44.439 that's happening, not a lot, but more and more. And 1:27:45.120 --> 1:27:47.439 you know, we on the podcast, we're trying to help 1:27:47.720 --> 1:27:52.160 spread the word regarding the use of certain words and 1:27:52.240 --> 1:27:54.960 certain language choices too, of which are in the title 1:27:55.000 --> 1:27:59.240 of this movie. Right, yes, and they might seem pretty harmless, 1:27:59.840 --> 1:28:04.680 but in reality they are ablest because this type of 1:28:04.760 --> 1:28:10.919 language disparages physical and intellectual disabilities and further's this stigma 1:28:11.160 --> 1:28:19.360 of mental illness. And this includes words like crazy, stupid, dumb, lame, insane, 1:28:20.080 --> 1:28:23.599 et cetera, because, like you know, these words have often 1:28:23.720 --> 1:28:28.360 been used to other and to demonize people with disabilities 1:28:28.439 --> 1:28:32.080 and mental illness, and these words are also often used 1:28:32.479 --> 1:28:36.120 in just like everyday colloquial language in the context of 1:28:36.240 --> 1:28:39.479 like disparaging. This thing is bad, this thing is wrong. 1:28:40.320 --> 1:28:44.000 So our brains make these connections and it just perpetuates 1:28:44.120 --> 1:28:49.200 these ablest ideas. So we are actively working on eliminating 1:28:49.280 --> 1:28:54.160 this type of language from our vocabulary. We encourage others 1:28:54.320 --> 1:28:57.519 to do the same. To read up about it, Will 1:28:57.760 --> 1:29:02.160 will include some links in the show notes. Yeah, it's 1:29:02.240 --> 1:29:05.000 it's it's. If this is the first time you're hearing 1:29:05.040 --> 1:29:08.280 about something like this, just begin to educate yourself. That 1:29:08.479 --> 1:29:12.280 is the step you can take today. And it's it's 1:29:12.680 --> 1:29:15.800 just a thing you should do. We we used to 1:29:15.920 --> 1:29:19.000 use words like that on the show, not realizing the 1:29:19.240 --> 1:29:22.360 potential harm that they have to cause. UM. And then 1:29:22.520 --> 1:29:25.320 we learned better, and then we did better, and there 1:29:25.400 --> 1:29:27.320 you go, and we'll yeah, we'll, we'll have there's a 1:29:27.400 --> 1:29:30.160 number of great resources about this kind of ongoing discussion, 1:29:30.320 --> 1:29:33.600 as well as alternative words you can use, um to 1:29:33.920 --> 1:29:37.760 kind of rewire your brain a little bit. Uh. In conclusion, 1:29:38.000 --> 1:29:42.479 the title of this movie stinks, So I think we 1:29:42.560 --> 1:29:44.439 can all agree that they should have stuck with their 1:29:44.479 --> 1:29:49.839 original title, which was untitled marital crisis comedy, yes, untitled 1:29:49.880 --> 1:29:58.479 commas comedy yes, period yeah so yeah. On top of that, uh, 1:29:59.280 --> 1:30:04.760 to tie little bow in it the title and I 1:30:04.840 --> 1:30:08.080 don't want to talk about this movie anymore. Does it 1:30:08.160 --> 1:30:11.880 pass the Bechtel test? I don't think it does because 1:30:11.920 --> 1:30:14.639 there are a couple of conversation a few conversations where 1:30:15.320 --> 1:30:19.599 women interact. For example, Hannah and her friend Liz talk 1:30:19.680 --> 1:30:23.760 about Conan O'Brien, they talk about Jacob, they talk about 1:30:23.920 --> 1:30:29.640 Josh Grobin. None of those scenes passed. Jessica and her classmate, 1:30:29.720 --> 1:30:33.280 who is named Madison, I think, talk about how to 1:30:33.439 --> 1:30:38.120 get older men to sleep with them horrifying. Um. Jessica 1:30:38.479 --> 1:30:42.840 and Emily talk about cal and also Jessica's really really 1:30:42.920 --> 1:30:45.320 mean to Emilyson. Then she says I won't take your 1:30:45.400 --> 1:30:49.679 slutty money and run the way, which, um, I don't 1:30:49.720 --> 1:30:51.840 like the scene it's in, but I'm like, that's maybe 1:30:51.840 --> 1:30:57.400 I'll use that line every the next time we're splitting 1:30:57.439 --> 1:31:03.240 up Patreon money, of like, I don't want your um 1:31:03.640 --> 1:31:06.240 and this doesn't This doesn't, of course pass, but um. 1:31:06.439 --> 1:31:11.439 Emily says to David Lyndhagen, I'm saving you from disaster 1:31:11.600 --> 1:31:16.840 because you're about to preboard the Titanic. Love that. Also, 1:31:16.920 --> 1:31:19.519 we didn't get into David Lynd Hoggan because literally who 1:31:19.640 --> 1:31:23.519 cares um, But but he also was sort of like 1:31:23.800 --> 1:31:26.840 that in that one scene. She's like, look, this isn't 1:31:26.880 --> 1:31:29.400 gonna work out, and he's like, it's going to work out. 1:31:29.600 --> 1:31:32.040 But I like you, so I need to keep talking 1:31:32.080 --> 1:31:34.280 to you even if you don't want me to. I 1:31:34.479 --> 1:31:36.880 decided your vice soul mate, so I'm that gives me 1:31:36.920 --> 1:31:39.519 a license to her wrath you until one of us die. 1:31:40.080 --> 1:31:47.400 Like God. The thesis statement of the movie, Uh so, 1:31:47.600 --> 1:31:49.840 let's rate it on our nipple scale zero to five 1:31:49.880 --> 1:31:54.920 nipples based on an examination of intersectional feminism. I'm just 1:31:54.920 --> 1:31:58.479 gonna go ahead and give this zero nipples. Yeah, none, none, 1:31:58.600 --> 1:32:01.519 And I feel like we've really if we we've really 1:32:01.560 --> 1:32:03.760 said it all none. If I had a nipple, I 1:32:03.800 --> 1:32:06.040 would give it to baby Joey King, but I don't 1:32:06.080 --> 1:32:12.439 have one. I have none thoughts, zero nipples. Um. I 1:32:12.520 --> 1:32:16.040 think that my favorite part of this movie is there 1:32:16.200 --> 1:32:20.280 is a behind the scene story that I think Ryan 1:32:20.360 --> 1:32:25.439 and Emma talk about on Graham Norton Um where they 1:32:25.479 --> 1:32:29.240 were talking about the terribly boring dirty dancing scene. Actually, 1:32:29.280 --> 1:32:31.559 my note in my notes my note on my notes 1:32:31.920 --> 1:32:36.080 says dirty dancing hyphen Clearly a boring person wrote this movie. 1:32:36.800 --> 1:32:42.960 Um but so uh the scene where Ryan lifts Emma up, 1:32:43.160 --> 1:32:46.920 apparently she was very, very very scared to do this scene. 1:32:47.520 --> 1:32:52.719 She did try it, though, and apparently claude at Ryan 1:32:52.760 --> 1:32:55.920 Gosling's head like a raccoon when she was up, so 1:32:56.360 --> 1:32:58.040 so they did have to go with a dot person 1:32:58.160 --> 1:33:04.400 for it. I love Emma Stone, she really is. Oh. 1:33:04.720 --> 1:33:08.599 I had my my last note that I haven't marked off. 1:33:08.840 --> 1:33:11.080 This was just a passing thought because I was trying 1:33:11.200 --> 1:33:13.280 so hard to make sense of this. There was a 1:33:13.360 --> 1:33:16.320 good ten minutes of watching this movie where I thought 1:33:16.439 --> 1:33:20.920 that Ryan Gosling was possibly dead, like Six Cents style, 1:33:22.200 --> 1:33:25.000 because he's just that whole montage where he's like training 1:33:25.080 --> 1:33:27.000 Steve Garrel. I'm like, what if this is like the 1:33:27.120 --> 1:33:30.120 sixth Cents and Steve girls actually alone because he's just 1:33:30.160 --> 1:33:32.160 sitting at a bar with Ryan, And I'm like, well, 1:33:32.200 --> 1:33:34.840 it makes sense because I have no idea why Ryan 1:33:34.880 --> 1:33:37.360 Goslink is so interested in Steve Garrell. I don't know 1:33:37.439 --> 1:33:39.240 why they're in all these locations. I don't know how 1:33:39.280 --> 1:33:42.240 they can afford this. Maybe he's dead, Maybe he's like 1:33:42.360 --> 1:33:46.000 this ghost. I love that theory. Let's stick with that. 1:33:46.320 --> 1:33:48.840 There's long parts of the movie where Ryan Gosling could 1:33:48.920 --> 1:33:51.759 very well be dead, and that would make more sense 1:33:51.960 --> 1:33:53.840 if he was like either a ghost or if he 1:33:54.000 --> 1:33:57.880 was like a projection of cow. Yeah, that makes more 1:33:57.960 --> 1:34:01.439 sense than like Fight Club exactly. That makes more sense 1:34:01.479 --> 1:34:06.439 than Jacob for no reason taking so much time out 1:34:06.520 --> 1:34:10.560 of his day to quote fix Steve Carrell, because that 1:34:10.680 --> 1:34:13.439 doesn't track at all. I was like, only a ghost 1:34:13.520 --> 1:34:19.880 would be having this much free time. So also Cal, 1:34:20.040 --> 1:34:22.840 I forgot to mention this, but Cal is very cruel 1:34:22.920 --> 1:34:25.719 to several people who work in the service industry. Throughout 1:34:25.720 --> 1:34:29.439 the movie, he's really yeah, awful, and then he always 1:34:29.520 --> 1:34:31.080 just goes he's I feel like this is like a 1:34:31.080 --> 1:34:33.439 Steve Carrell in prop. Then he'll just be like, sorry, 1:34:33.560 --> 1:34:36.920 that was a little that We're like, come on, come on, 1:34:37.040 --> 1:34:39.840 I love Steve Grel so much, but this era of 1:34:39.880 --> 1:34:44.360 Steve Carell is tough. So this movie does not do 1:34:44.560 --> 1:34:51.240 justice to any of the actors in it. Yeah, anyway, 1:34:51.439 --> 1:34:56.639 Sammy wait, I forgot to shout this out, but please, 1:34:56.720 --> 1:35:00.760 you guys think that they intended for Ryan Gosling to 1:35:00.920 --> 1:35:04.479 be eating that Sabarrow when they I don't think I 1:35:04.840 --> 1:35:06.560 really don't think that that was I think that that 1:35:06.720 --> 1:35:10.160 was like a Ryan Gosling improv Oh if that was 1:35:10.280 --> 1:35:13.160 just like what they had for like crafts are like 1:35:13.280 --> 1:35:15.839 lunch that day on Stay he probably they have probably 1:35:15.920 --> 1:35:18.120 made like a pi a, go get a fucking slice 1:35:18.120 --> 1:35:21.280 of pizza because Ryan had an idea that day and 1:35:21.360 --> 1:35:24.360 then they're like, Okay, we're gonna roll with it. I like, 1:35:24.479 --> 1:35:28.000 I couldn't believe that. Yeah, Ryan Gosling seems like those 1:35:28.160 --> 1:35:30.799 one of those guys that's like because he's so famous 1:35:30.840 --> 1:35:32.519 that if he thinks an idea is kind of funny, 1:35:32.720 --> 1:35:35.599 probably no one's going to be like, that's not very funny. 1:35:37.400 --> 1:35:40.559 I don't know. I'm by that, especially because it doesn't 1:35:40.600 --> 1:35:42.880 really track for his character. His character would be the 1:35:42.920 --> 1:35:48.120 type of person who's like eating caviare and like patta 1:35:48.439 --> 1:35:51.920 and stuff like that, and not like Sabarrow. I feel 1:35:51.960 --> 1:35:55.679 like because he's just so like he's anti poor people, 1:35:56.000 --> 1:36:01.519 things like don't you dare wear balance sneakers around him? 1:36:01.640 --> 1:36:04.720 He will throw from he killed someone with that new 1:36:04.760 --> 1:36:09.519 Balance sneaker. Um. Yeah, Ryan Gosling character. I think if 1:36:09.600 --> 1:36:12.759 you do need to watch Crazy Stupid Love, you should 1:36:12.840 --> 1:36:16.320 do so thinking that Ryan Gosling's character is dead the 1:36:16.400 --> 1:36:21.000 whole time, and it's a more rewarding experience. Thank you 1:36:21.120 --> 1:36:25.200 for putting that in my brain. Um, Sammy, thank you 1:36:25.400 --> 1:36:30.879 for joining us. Thank you for having me. What a thrill. Indeed, 1:36:33.520 --> 1:36:36.280 I just get so drunk off of Ryan Gosling and 1:36:36.360 --> 1:36:41.479 Emastone's chemistry that I don't understand what happens. Sorry, I'm 1:36:41.520 --> 1:36:44.960 so sorry. It is intoxicating. No. We we had to 1:36:45.040 --> 1:36:48.760 cover this movie eventually, and what better person to do 1:36:48.920 --> 1:36:51.640 it than you? Thank you, Thank you, thank you for 1:36:51.800 --> 1:36:56.040 coming back. Thank you. What would you like to plug? 1:36:56.200 --> 1:37:01.240 Where can people follow you on social media? 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