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Speaker 1: start changing it with the bel Cast. Hey, Jamie, Yeah, Caitlin,

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Speaker 1: you're the perfect combination of sexy and cute? Can I

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Speaker 1: I we were just having this is the Betel Cast Comma.

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Speaker 1: assuming that our our guest today, a returning guest, brought

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Speaker 1: But you're the spy, You're you're how do you say

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Speaker 1: Even though it's a secret, their name is in the

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Speaker 1: a minute. No, Caitlyn's dombing this episode. He's wearing a

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Speaker 1: been wanting to get Sammy back on the podcast for

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Speaker 1: a while, um, but the movie wasn't. It didn't come

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Speaker 1: and unusual of you, but it's it is a pretty

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Speaker 1: So this is the Bectel Cast. This is our podcast

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Speaker 1: where we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using

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Speaker 1: the Bechtel test as a jumping off point, which is

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Speaker 1: we are so say we are so sorry, Sammy say introduced. Sorry, sorry, sorry, Okay.

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Speaker 1: They are a producer. They're a writer on Let's Gots

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Speaker 1: Julianne Moore and Emma Stone on screen together for the

422
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,959
Speaker 1: first time, Julianne Moore is blindfolded and it's like hi, honey,

423
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: and it's like, this is this is how I feel

424
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: about how the women in this movie interact just so

425
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: dissonant and bizarre. And then I guess another just kind

426
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: of general statement before we get into more specifics, would

427
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: just be that the way and we already hinted at this,

428
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: but the way women are written in this movie is

429
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: just like so cartoonish, and they're all framed as being

430
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: very like reactionary. They seem to not know what they want.

431
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: They're like fickle, they are often, for lack of a

432
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: better word, they are like presented as being quote hysterical.

433
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: This applies to basically every woman is some combination of

434
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: these traits in this movie. So that's what we're working

435
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: with for the women. I just feel like most of

436
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: the female characters were just like not really written, like

437
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: they're like, well that they're just they're like they're just

438
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: kind of they're there Hannah's If you like try to

439
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: figure out what is going on in Hannah's life, it's

440
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: literally impossible. Like you don't understand why she thinks that

441
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: Josh Groban is about to marry her. Like that was

442
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,959
Speaker 1: really confused to me. I don't understand what's going on

443
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: with her job. No one seems to care what's going

444
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: on with her job. She doesn't seem to care what's

445
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: going on with her job. I don't know why she

446
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: knows she can find Ryan Gosling at this bar. They're

447
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: like and I don't really under like just if you

448
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: like put any like if you try to piece together

449
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: even a synopsis of some of the female characters, Whore

450
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: just like, I don't I don't know, they didn't care.

451
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: I think the closest you can get to somebody having

452
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,239
Speaker 1: a story, or a woman character having a story is

453
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: Julianne Moore because she does try to explain herself. I yeah,

454
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: I think she may have the most story and all

455
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: of this, I like, yeah, I think of all the

456
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: I tried to rank my character that these characters by

457
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: how little I liked them, And I feel like Julianne

458
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: Moore's character was the one that I ended up liking

459
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: the best, which isn't saying much, but it's like, first

460
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: of all, like I understood why she wanted to leave

461
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: Steve Carrell, Like you're like, yeah, this marriage seems really

462
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: dead in the water, obviously, like cheating on your spouse

463
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: is not the best thing to do in your life.

464
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: But like her being like I've been with you and

465
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: you fucking suck for so long, Like I just need

466
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: to move on with my life. And like she's a

467
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: good she's a good mom, she's a fun mom, like

468
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: you get like a little more with her. And I

469
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: also feel like it's Julianne Morris, so she can just

470
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: make a meal of anything. But it's still like it's just, oh,

471
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: it's just beneath her this story because it's like she's

472
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: the I totally agree, Sammy, like she's the woman that

473
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: you know the most about, but it's still like not much,

474
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: it's still and yeah, and she just ends up getting

475
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: worn down like every other woman I would cheat on

476
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: cow Well, yeah, that's the thing. Like the reasons that

477
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: they split up, is that he has stopped putting effort

478
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: into their relationship. She does not feel that her needs

479
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: are met, so she seeks affection elsewhere with Kevin Bacon.

480
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: But that's like the only thing that cal focuses on

481
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: at like the beginning of their break where he's like,

482
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: oh you slept with another man. I've been cuck holded.

483
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: And there's that scene where like she's he did get

484
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: he got to he got to the word cock Cock's

485
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: resurgence early y. I was like, wow, okay, ahead of

486
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: the curve, right, But there's that scene and I think, Sammy,

487
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: you brought this up. But she's like trying to talk

488
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: about like he's like getting into the U haul, and

489
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: Julianne Moore is like, you know, I think I might

490
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: be having a midlife crisis. Like she's expressing her doubts

491
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: and frustration shout out to the movie doubt um, doubts

492
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: and frustrations and insecurities. But he's like he refuses to listen,

493
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: he refuses to like talk this out like a real adult.

494
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: He's being a huge baby about it. He just keeps

495
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,479
Speaker 1: talking about like landscaping, and then he later starts just

496
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: stalking her at night doing her landscaping, and then also

497
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: sometimes just like watching her through her window. Isaac and

498
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: I were dying at that scene at the end where

499
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: he is once again out on the on spying on

500
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: his family and she calls because like it's supposed to

501
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: be like again, it's just like, oh, they really thought

502
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: they were creating this beautiful moment where it's like she

503
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: just wanted to hear his voice, she didn't actually need

504
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: help with the pilot light, and like they're both crying

505
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,959
Speaker 1: in the scene is forty minutes long, and we were

506
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: just cackling. We're like, God, this is really supposed to

507
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: be a moment, but it's just this movie. It feels

508
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: so long and so long. The movie frames that moment

509
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: as being so romantic, but it's like he's stuck in

510
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: her right now, shouldn't know that she's not actually letting

511
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: the pilot light. He's he loves to come back at night. Cal,

512
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, like Julianne Moore's perspective makes a

513
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: ton of sense, because like Cal spends the whole movie

514
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: approving to you why he's an unfit husband, parent, member

515
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: of society. There I will say that you also don't

516
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: like you can see cal at work once, but I'm

517
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: also like, what does he do, Like, how does is

518
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: he like just blowing his like children's college money on

519
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: becoming a pickup artist? He's I it was unclear, like

520
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: can you afford to be And on top of that,

521
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: he's just aggressively not parenting his children. So it's very

522
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: bizarre later when Jessica is like, you know, his kids

523
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: love him so much, and you kind of like why

524
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: I've only seen him interact with him when he's like,

525
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm off to go hang out with my pickup artist friend.

526
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 1: Like that's not It's so like you keep being told

527
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: that he's a good person with a good heart, but

528
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 1: then you just kind of like rarely see that. Yeah,

529
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: he's negligent in a lot of areas of his life.

530
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: And then so basically he starts to fill the void

531
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: of not being married to Emily anymore with becoming a

532
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: pickup artist. At the instruction of Jacob, I wish they

533
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: were a little clearer about like the fact that this

534
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: is pickup artist, because they kind of like dodge saying it.

535
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, no, you just aggressively nagged women, And

536
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: it's like Ryan Gosling makes it sound like this was

537
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: all his idea and not that there was like infrastructure

538
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 1: for this. He's like, I, I wrote the game, I

539
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: invented this, I invented going to bars wearing suits. And

540
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: she's like, no, that's not okay, sir, I can't do

541
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: all that. So I guess, like for the Cal and

542
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: Jacob friendship, I mean, I do slap all of my

543
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 1: friends all the time, so I feel like I can confirm,

544
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: so that didn't feel weird to me. So we are

545
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: feeling seen here to an extent. This is why I

546
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: like the movie. Actually, I've represented in Liz and Jacob

547
00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: slaps and now I get it. Now I get it.

548
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: Um okay. So yeah, Jacob is not that the movie

549
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: wants you to think this, because the movie wants you

550
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: to think that. I think the movie wants you to

551
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: think that, Like he just needs to grow up a

552
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: little bit. He needs to find the right woman who

553
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: will like, who will let him just kind of like

554
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: settle down and learn that, like love is real. He

555
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: just needs to find it. But even so, the movie

556
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: like condones his pickup artistry, his like very sleazy misogynists creepy,

557
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: like he literally says the first, the first like rule

558
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 1: of his. He's reciting the game like he's there's a book.

559
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: There's a book. It's bad. But like he said, the

560
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 1: first rule is to like get her really drunk. Like

561
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: this is like, I'm glad that you don't like really

562
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: but it's like, this goes into very dark territory. I

563
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: just am not convinced that this character is not a

564
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: date rapist. Very well could be. He also gives a

565
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: monologue to Cow where he says, the war between the

566
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: sexes is over, and we won, meaning men won the war.

567
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 1: We won the second women started doing pole dancing for exercise, which, like,

568
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: I mean, the implications, just the sham nous of all

569
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: of that is horrendous. And then he says, even though yeah,

570
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: I want to take some, I feel like I've won

571
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: when I take exactly It continues to say, but even

572
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: though we won, they still deserve our respect, meaning women

573
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: deserve our respect. We make them feel beautiful, actually listen

574
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: to their problems, open the door for them. And then

575
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: he says, you've got to take control of your manhood.

576
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 1: You want something, you take it. You don't like something,

577
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: you say it. I take what I want. So that

578
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: is his wisdom that he's imparting to cow. This is

579
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: such this whole friendship is so fucked up, like and

580
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: it sucks too, because it's like anytime you see like

581
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: a male friendship on screen, you're like, oh, this is

582
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: you know, like there's such a traceable history of you know,

583
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: like men not knowing how to like bond and express

584
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: emotion with each other. Um, but this relationship is just

585
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,720
Speaker 1: so toxic. It's just so toxic. And then the twist

586
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: with Jacob being that he's really rich and his dad

587
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: was too nice and then his mom was so cold,

588
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: both of which are like these are very relative terms

589
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: you're using because you're a misogynist, so she could just

590
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: be a person like but the and we're supposed to

591
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: like feel like I'm supposed to feel bad for you

592
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 1: because your dad was so nice. That it's so it's

593
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: so just like I don't even know what they were

594
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: trying to. Yeah, I'm like, a, is this meant to

595
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: endear us too? I'm not sure I think it is.

596
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: But because it's like, oh, he's being emotionally raw with her.

597
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: He said that his rich dad was really nice, You're like, okay,

598
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: So then there's a scene where Jacob is like, okay, Cal,

599
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,439
Speaker 1: you're ready go hit on Marissa Tomay, and then Cal

600
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: calls him out on his like behavior. He's like, you know,

601
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: you buy women a drink even if they don't want one.

602
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,959
Speaker 1: You insist. It's a big game, a creepy, creepy game.

603
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 1: And right when you think that, like Cal has come

604
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: to his senses and is like, oh, wow, you know

605
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: this guy is a creep. He then says, wow, Jacob,

606
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: you're such a wise teacher. You've taught me so well.

607
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: And then he goes over and tries Jacob's creepy technique

608
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,919
Speaker 1: on Marissa Tomay, which I guess we can just talk

609
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: about that really quickly. Marissa Tomay being done such a

610
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: wild dissurface, the the Radiant Marissa Tomay. I hope, I

611
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: hope she made five hundred trillion dollars to have to

612
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: do this, because that was the whole fifty million dollar budget.

613
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: They were just like, please, Marissa Tomay, do this. Absolutely

614
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 1: like miserable part for us because there first of all,

615
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 1: like again, just the logic of it is so bizarre,

616
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: where they make fun of the fact that she's a

617
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: recovering alcoholic and several points in the movie and she's

618
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: just like this, and we started talking about it, but

619
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: like she's just this like broad stereotype of like a

620
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: desperate woman who like she'll take anything, she'll take the

621
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: first person who gives her the smallest amount of attention.

622
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: And it's and I think it's just shorthand for like

623
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: single women over thirty, Like is that what the what

624
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: is this? Right? And then and then later if she

625
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: feels rejected, she you know, goes nuclear and it's like

626
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: her whole life is concern zoomed by revenge. And and

627
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: we're supposed to like be siding with Steve Carrell will

628
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: be like, Wow, she's being a bit much, don't you think.

629
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: Like it's just such an exhausting troupe that I feel

630
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: like was like extremely active in this time when every

631
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 1: comedy movie was like four hours long and had shitty

632
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: improv Right. And then during the scene where he's like

633
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: trying to pick her up, and then he at first

634
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: he's like nagging, but he's really bad at it. Not

635
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: that there's a way to be good at it, like

636
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: it's a thing that shouldn't be done, but anyway, it's

637
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: not effective. But then he starts being real and honest,

638
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 1: and because he says you're the perfect combination of sexy

639
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: and cute, she is now dripping her just she's she's

640
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,959
Speaker 1: like so ready to just like jump on his dick.

641
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: And then there's a bad Aige joke that gets made

642
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: while they're like for playing with each other. But it's

643
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: this weird thing where she likes that he's being honest

644
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: and open, which is like a good thing, like men

645
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 1: people should be honest and open, but that is like

646
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: her liking that is like part of what makes her

647
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: seem so like outlandish, and it's just just so like, yeah,

648
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: it's I mean, I feel like it is like one

649
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: of the broader stereotypes of women of this era is just, yeah,

650
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: portraying any woman who is not like married over at

651
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: a certain age as like as having to be so

652
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: desperate for any sort of validation that and then also

653
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: so immediately attached if she receives any validation that. It's

654
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 1: just like a way of like making women look irrational

655
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: and like inherently like if you have it's like your

656
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: iconic stand up joke, Caitlin, It's like if you have

657
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: sex with someone, you're you are you have to marry

658
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: them and like you are like chemically bound to them

659
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: until you die. And there's just like scenes with Morrissa

660
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: Tomay where the button on the scene is just her screeching,

661
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: like that was one of the scene ended and it

662
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: echoed into the next scene. I was like, what kind

663
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: of this is wild sound editing? Like it's just so

664
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: aggressively underthought, because it's also it's not even like an

665
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: original thing in this movie. It's just like copy pasting

666
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: the Leslie Man character from a different Steve Correll movie

667
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: into but this time it's oh, sorry, let's take a

668
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: quick break and then we'll come back to discuss more

669
00:43:55,640 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: and we're back. I will say though, that after the

670
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 1: scene where cal hooks up with Marissa Tomay, there is

671
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: another sign that this movie is a sequel to She's

672
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: the Man. Do you guys remember please? It is after

673
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,959
Speaker 1: he has intercourse with Massa Tomay, they play the song

674
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: that they play at the carnival, which is goldfraps la

675
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: la Oh only true. She's the Man has Well Know,

676
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: which is just me I saw it. I love that,

677
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: But I mean it's very clearly a spiritual sequel, if

678
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: nothing else sequels, they're really not better. They're really just

679
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: not better usually except Paddington too. But anyway, there. I

680
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: so that's like, that's Kate. I guess I just want

681
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: to leave Kate in the in the past. Um. And

682
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: then she continues to hold the grudge into like she's

683
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: like flipping off Steve Carrell at the eighth grade graduation.

684
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: And it's like, but if you were ghosted that way

685
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: by somebody who you were very excited about telling you

686
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: the truth and that's why you were screeching during intercourse,

687
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,439
Speaker 1: Like I feel like you probably would flick them off

688
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: if you had to be exposed to them later on

689
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,479
Speaker 1: in a public space. I mean, to be perfectly fair, Yes,

690
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: Steve Carrell did a not nice thing by discarding her,

691
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: because and that's the whole like pickup artist thing, right,

692
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: It's like you objectify women, you use them, and then

693
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: you discard them. And that's what he does to like

694
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: eight different women or something like that. Um. So she

695
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: has every right to be upset and mad because he

696
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: treats her like an object. But I think it's more

697
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: that the way that she is characterized with her like

698
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: irrationality and can't let it go. Write is what informs

699
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: her behavior, not the fact that she like has a

700
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: legitimate reason to be mad. The eighth grade graduation. I

701
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: don't know, it's just my half of my organs started

702
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: shutting down at that point. It's like he'sa, well we'll

703
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: get there, but yeah, like Kate is really underthought the

704
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: It's very bizarre to be how they kept bringing up

705
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: that she was five years sober as a negative, Like

706
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: it was just like, what do you think you're saying here?

707
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: It is just very bizarre. And then we have where

708
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: do we I'm saving the children for last because it's

709
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: just like I don't even want to go there. I guess.

710
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: Jacob and Hannah, well, I wanted to just, um give

711
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: some context for pickup artistry really quick, um because this

712
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: there's just so much here and I feel like this movie,

713
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: I mean, they couldn't have known in I mean, you

714
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: everyone who pick up artistry was bad, but they couldn't

715
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: have known where it led and kind of I don't know,

716
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: I've spent a lot of time thinking about this because um,

717
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: I hate myself, I guess, but there is like pickup

718
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 1: artistry is such a demonstrable gateway to darker, worse behavior,

719
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: which became clear soon after this movie came out. So

720
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that this movie is like ignoring things

721
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: that had already happened outside of like how fucking ludicrous

722
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: it is to be like, let's make a movie about

723
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: pickup artistry that's kind of like pro But there there's

724
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: like there's an article that kind of like lays out

725
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 1: this pipeline where essentially, like pickup artistry can lead to

726
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: you becoming a far right extremist right because it's built

727
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: on the same Um, I don't know. I mean it

728
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: is like mental logic too to an extent. Uh where

729
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to just pull from it. It's by Miles

730
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:01,479
Speaker 1: Clee of mal magazine Love Miles is where, but he's

731
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: kind of tracing how to pick up artists on like

732
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: YouTube ended up at the Capital Insurrection and like it

733
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: is it is a wild there's all sorts of bizarro online,

734
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: you know, pipelines built on entitlement, like whether it's entitlement

735
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: to women, to money, to power, to whatever like it. Um,

736
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: there's all of these pipelines, and so he kind of traces, oh,

737
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: these guys were pick up artists on YouTube in the

738
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: early and now they're full Q and On like old

739
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 1: right superstars who were like arrested for being at the

740
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: fucking insurrection. So I I'll send you the links because

741
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: it's like it gets so dark and they're still there's

742
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: a great Dan Olson video about um, how flat earthers

743
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: all went to Q and On as well, and just

744
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: this movie is not like doesn't know that that stuff

745
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: is going to happen ibviously, but I just think it's

746
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: so bizarre and sinister that it's like presented as like,

747
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: oh ha ha, look at this clearly misogynoust thing that's

748
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 1: like built on all of the built on entitlement, which

749
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: every man in this movie and boy is extremely entitled,

750
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:25,959
Speaker 1: where you're just like this, it's just so fucking dark,

751
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: and um, I think it's like also weirdly avoidant that

752
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: they don't say what it is and like what they're

753
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: doing for half of the movie, because they're literally doing

754
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: play by play the game, but they're acting like, oh,

755
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: it's just this thing. I don't know, it's just the

756
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 1: thing that I'm doing and it works, and but it's

757
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: like pick up artistry demonstrably does not work. People don't

758
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: like it. Most women don't like being spoken to that

759
00:49:54,960 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: way and then like yourselves. But like what Miles kind

760
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: of lays out in this piece is like it it's

761
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: sort of built to like push you into darker ideology

762
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: because you're given this horrible system. Uh, you go out

763
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: to a bar, you aggressively next next someone. They don't

764
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: like it, and then they're like, well, something's wrong with

765
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: you because I was told that this fucking system works,

766
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: and so like this is your problem, and then it

767
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: just developed like it just I mean you can literally

768
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: trace it to like Elliott Roger stuff like and then

769
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: when you're rejected by this shitty system that's based on

770
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: dehumanizing people and they don't like that, then it just

771
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 1: turns into anger, which leads to all of these other

772
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: horrible places. So I just I hate this movie. I

773
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: hate this movie. Okay, we can move to other characters. Sorry, no,

774
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: but thank you. That is helpful context. And I mean

775
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: the takeaway from the for me is this movie is

776
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 1: like it's glorifying. It's making pick up artistry seem cool.

777
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,720
Speaker 1: And even though the characters at the end like they

778
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: stray away from that lifestyle because they have relationships, they've

779
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: aggressively pursued their one true love through a series of

780
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: right they picked up their soul mate and now they

781
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,240
Speaker 1: don't need to pick up any more people. It's still

782
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: there's a large chunk of the movie that makes you,

783
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: as an audience member think like, oh wow, what a

784
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: what a huge improvement Steve Carrell's character like underwent with

785
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: his makeover and in his more Now he has more confidence,

786
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: and now he's more experienced sexually, and like it's yeah,

787
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: you as the audience, are meant to I think that

788
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: that was all pretty okay, and that that was like

789
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: what led him to being able to win his wife,

790
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: but his wife back, like he just needed to learn

791
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: how to put in some effort and try and like

792
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: wear better shoes and she and she rude the day

793
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: he rediscovered his quote unquote rediscovered his manhood, and she

794
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: indeed rude the day that she left him, because the

795
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: movie ends with her being like, oh my gosh, he's

796
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: he's trying again. He's he's new and improved, and I

797
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:32,720
Speaker 1: should be with him, so aggressively strongholded eighth grade graduation.

798
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: God damn seene. So yeah, I just the pickup artistry

799
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: stuff is really dark. I feel like they're like I

800
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 1: get that they move on from it, but it is yeah,

801
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: just like, oh, well I picked picked up my one

802
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: true love. Uh. And then that's like the other very

803
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,439
Speaker 1: sexist thing that's going on in this movie. So there's

804
00:52:53,440 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: just two sexist ideologies and both of them are successful. Yes,

805
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 1: oh yikes. Um. So yeah with with Jacob and Hannah,

806
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: you know we mentioned how they meet because he aggressively

807
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: hits on her, she keeps saying no, no, no, no,

808
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: thank you. She leaves, but then later because she is

809
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: furious that her boyfriend Josh Grobin didn't propose to her,

810
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: which like we've all been there. We've all been there

811
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: every party that I go to, that's a celebration of

812
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: question mark. I'm furious when someone doesn't propose to It

813
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: is so unclear in that scene why she thinks he's

814
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,760
Speaker 1: going to propose, Like because not to side with Josh Grobin.

815
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: But I don't understand why she thinks he's going to propose.

816
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: They like don't aren't even sitting next to each other.

817
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: You don't interact unless he's like directing his speech towards her.

818
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: But like when he sits down in the earlier scene,

819
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: he sits with his friend like he does not interact

820
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: with her at all, and then like, yeah, she expects

821
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: him to be proposing because of the other party they

822
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: were at where she told Liz I think he's going

823
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: to propose to me, and then just decides it like

824
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: she's going to hold on to that until the next

825
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: party that they have. I don't. I mean I did. Unfortunately,

826
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: when Josh Groban was like, oh, um, sorry, you thought

827
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: I was going to propose to you, I was kind

828
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,399
Speaker 1: of like, I'm kind of with him there. I don't

829
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: know why why that was something that we were supposed

830
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: to think was going to happen. And then when Liz,

831
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: her friend who is in like three scenes, is like, really,

832
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: why him, Like why why do you want him to

833
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: propose that? Hannah's response is like, well, he's nice, and

834
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: it's like that's that might be true, I guess, but

835
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: like that's not enough of a reason to want to

836
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: marry him. Like she doesn't say like I love him,

837
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: he's my soul mate, like I want to spend our

838
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 1: lives together. She's just like, well, he's nice, don't you think.

839
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's so funny because you can just tell

840
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: that like some some guy wrote this movie by the

841
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 1: way that it's just like, well, two women are sitting

842
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: next to each other, okay, okay, okay, so one is

843
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: probably about to get proposed to, Like it's just so bleak.

844
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: And also like I mean, Liz embodies the the Best

845
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: Friend character where she's so invested in Emma Stone getting

846
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 1: funk funk funk funck fucked. That is what she lives for.

847
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 1: She where I assumed that she works in lawyer also

848
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: but I don't actually I can't actually confirm that. Also,

849
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: I like, there's so that is like another recognizable dynamic

850
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: that we know. And also it's the only non white

851
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: character in the entire movie, um with any sort of

852
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: like with I think more than one, you know, appearing

853
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: in more than one scene. But then also it's like

854
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: why is Okay, I was trying to connect the dots here,

855
00:55:54,440 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: Jacob is obsessed with Steve Correll having sex? Why for

856
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:05,280
Speaker 1: a questions? Like also just for he reminded I wrote down, Um,

857
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: Jacob is obsessed with Steve Carrell having sex the way

858
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: that Mary Kay and Ashley are obsessed with their widowed

859
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: father having sex in every movie. Like it's just so,

860
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:20,720
Speaker 1: but like I don't know, like and then I I

861
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: what he gives a one where or like a one

862
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: line explanation where he's like, you remind me of someone,

863
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: And I think the application is like his nice, rich

864
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 1: dad who died. No, I think it's he reminds Steve Carrell,

865
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,720
Speaker 1: reminds him of like who Jacob used to be before

866
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: he learned to be cool and pick up artist. Y.

867
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: I'm guessing his daddy dad. Yeah, his dead dad. I

868
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,919
Speaker 1: thought he was like my I wish I could get

869
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: my nice dead dad laid but you'll do because my

870
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: mom was such a like. I think he really does

871
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: think like my mom was a shrew and I wish

872
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: I could have gotten daddy laid back when he was

873
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: not dead. The logic is so I can't I can't

874
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 1: get there, but he was. He was so like so

875
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: much time and money. And also I'm like, I guess

876
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: he also just sort of doesn't need a job and

877
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: needs something to do, which is really sad. Yeah, you know,

878
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: it's like take a night class, Ryan Gosli, what are

879
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: you doing in this movie? Yeah? How invested he is

880
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: in cal becoming just like him is very bizarre. It's confusing.

881
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: It does not track who who has that relationship dynamic

882
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: who what man? Who is like busy trying to manipulate women?

883
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,439
Speaker 1: Is it the type of thing where like, deep down,

884
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: you know what you're doing is fucked up, so you

885
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: want other you want to bring other people into what

886
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: you're doing so that you're not alone in your fucked

887
00:57:55,840 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: up behavior. Is that it? This is going to go

888
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: into my bigger thought of the movie and the general

889
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: world and its thoughts on love and romance and stuff.

890
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: But I think that specifically Jacob's obsession with Cal, aside

891
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: from like why does he want to help him, is

892
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: that like, you know, you're not a person unless you

893
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: are with another person and what you like, we're supposed

894
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: to think that he's like doing a good guy thing

895
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: by helping out someone else, trick another person into it,

896
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: and like that's like the thing that we're like, okay,

897
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: like he's a good guy. He's he's gonna try to

898
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: get his friend, you know, relevant by having his wife

899
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: bag or some of the ship like that. They're just

900
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: so it's such it's such a bizarre dynamic, and it's like,

901
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 1: I don't know that whole montage where it begins to

902
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: work for Steve Carrell too, I was like what am

903
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: I supposed to be feeling right now? I'm really unclear.

904
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: And what if I'm supposed to be like yeah, amazing,

905
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: or if I'm supposed to be like nasty, like I

906
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: just I don't know. It was hard to put myself

907
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: in brain. But the way, like the music, the camera work,

908
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: like the movie I'm pretty sure wants you to think, wow, awesome,

909
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: he finally got it. He finally clicked, you know, the

910
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: student has become the teacher kind of like he's doing

911
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: it and you're supposed to be like rooting for it.

912
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that was another thing that with just

913
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: for how like I think all the female characters in

914
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: this movie are like written pretty badly, but Hannah's like

915
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: I just don't think she was written at all because

916
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: I was so like, why doesn't she? I understand that. Like,

917
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: so when the twist is Emma Stone is Steve Carell's daughter,

918
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: he immediately like, all of a sudden, it's nineteen fifty

919
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: four and she needs her father's approval to date someone,

920
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: which is like, okay, whatever, and Steve Carell's like, you

921
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: will never get my approval and you're like, oh my god,

922
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: please give your approval. So the movie can end. But like,

923
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: but I also don't really understand why, Like if Emma

924
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: Stone fully understands the extent to which Jacob like was

925
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: trying to turn her father into a pickup artist, and

926
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: if so, why doesn't I would feel weird about that.

927
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: I feel like that would be at least that at

928
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: least warrants a scene and a conversation of like, why

929
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: doesn't this bother her? It would really bother me if

930
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: I thought I had met the love of my life

931
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: and he had spent every night for the past three

932
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: months trying to get my father laid under nefarious pretenses,

933
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: Like that's really that's like a that's a big reveal

934
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: breaking up for sure. If he ever tells her the

935
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: truth about that, there's like no way but that like

936
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: that's a that's a that's a revelation. Yeah, I have

937
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: to imagine that she's just sort of left in the

938
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: dark about that. That's so fucked up. I hope they're

939
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: way is in shambles after the movie, and I truly

940
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: hope that. Oh my god, I like, yeah, that whole

941
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: I was just like why, like because she she was

942
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 1: like daddy also, daddy, daddy, daddy, it's okay, and and

943
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, why is it okay with you? Or I

944
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: just wasn't clear, and like if she knew and didn't

945
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: care for some reason, or if just no one had

946
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 1: told her and she was living in the dark in

947
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 1: terms of Ryan Gosling's weird past, because I know that

948
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: she she knows that he tries to get women really

949
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: drunk and treats them like their machines, but she I

950
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: don't think she knows his history with Daddy. But I

951
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 1: have no idea either one would be grounds if if

952
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: I just found out, oh, you used to be a

953
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: unrepentant pickup artist and you did this what seems to

954
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 1: be every night of your life, I would just need

955
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: some real I would need some real progress reports. I

956
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: would feel like, Okay, how long have you not been

957
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: a pickup artist? Forty five minutes? Okay? Like yeah, But

958
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: it goes back to the reason that he stops is because, like,

959
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 1: he found a girl who's not like the other girls.

960
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: He found someone who he can goof with. And the

961
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: chemistry between Emma Stone and Ryan Gosling, it's electric. It's

962
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 1: it's not the press. I just I hate that aspect

963
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: of it and then yeah, when the big reveal happens

964
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: and Cal finds out that his daughter's daughter is dating

965
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 1: this guy who he knows to be this like sleazy womanizer,

966
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: he like gets mad at Hannah. He gets mad at Jacob,

967
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: but he's also like he refuses to like he doesn't

968
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: respect her autonomy or her decisions. He won't talk to

969
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 1: her unless she breaks up with him, like he's placing

970
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 1: a lot of blame on her. And then what he's

971
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 1: also not doing is noticing the like staggering hypocrisy of

972
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: his situation where he hates Jacob for being a pickup

973
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 1: art like a womanizer, but that's what he was just

974
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: doing with like eight different women nine Like a, wait,

975
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 1: it's nine, but I thought it was nine women eight

976
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 1: plus Julian Moore. I think it's nine. Oh is it

977
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: nine total or nine plus Julianne Moore. I hesitate to

978
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: believe that Dan Fogelman and John Requa really did that

979
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 1: accurate math, So I'm not sure. I mean, ultimately, it

980
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 1: was like Jacob ends up getting this like little redemption

981
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 1: arc which is totally unearned and doesn't really make any sense,

982
01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 1: and Cal is a hypocrite and he's he's he's like

983
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: berating his daughter for having autonomy over her own life. Meanwhile,

984
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: also she's wrong and she isn't a real person. She's like,

985
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 1: so that's excusing. But then even so, like he if

986
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 1: we just look at it, like he is not respecting

987
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 1: his daughter's choice. It's like the whole like eight simple

988
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:25,479
Speaker 1: Rules of Daring Martoonage daughter thing, where like he thinks

989
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 1: that he just can control his daughter's life. But if

990
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: he really wanted to do something, he would just have

991
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 1: to be totally honest with her. Maybe this is in

992
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 1: the fifty hour cut of the movie, but like he

993
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 1: would have to be honest with her and be like,

994
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 1: because he's being really vague, he's like, he's not a

995
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: good guy. He's not a good guy, which could just

996
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: be an overprotective father like trope thing. But he also

997
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: like if he I don't know, I would like understand

998
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 1: the storyline a little better if he went to her

999
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:00,040
Speaker 1: and was like, look, he's not a good guy. I

1000
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 1: have I have receipts. I could be specific. Here's how

1001
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 1: I know. He taught me how to be a really

1002
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 1: like an even worse guy, and I regret it and

1003
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, and like this is why I have all

1004
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 1: this information, and that like that would have been at

1005
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 1: least something that you're like, oh, this character has grown,

1006
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 1: But he doesn't do that. He's just like he's bad.

1007
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: I can't get more specific because it will make me

1008
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 1: look bad. You're like really okay, and then again and

1009
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: he's like, I have nothing more to say to you

1010
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: if you're going to keep dating him. Meanwhile, his son

1011
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 1: is harassing the babysitter relentlessly and he's not doing anything

1012
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 1: about that. But he's like, but my daughter, she's dating someone,

1013
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: and I'm furious about it. Okay, let's just get to

1014
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 1: the sun. I Robbie is I think the most problematic

1015
01:05:54,320 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 1: character in the movie. He's right up there. What the

1016
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 1: fuck is going on here? This is like again just

1017
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 1: like embodies so many shitty tropes all at once. Like

1018
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: he's just a because he's precocious child trope, like wise

1019
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 1: beyond his years, giving Shakespearean soliloquies that you're just like

1020
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 1: get his thirteen he would be like like where are

1021
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:25,919
Speaker 1: my Naruto cards? Like like the so he but he's

1022
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 1: also like hyper sexualized, which is which is a choice,

1023
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 1: but also like he's both really immature and really mature

1024
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 1: at the same time, like it it seemed to see

1025
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 1: he varies. You don't know which Robbie you're going to get,

1026
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 1: but I hate them all. Also, I think we are

1027
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: introduced to him while he's jacking off. I think that's

1028
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 1: the first here, our first reaction with Robbie. I think

1029
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 1: that I don't know. Yeah, so we're introduced to him

1030
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: when he is mass reading. The scene immediately after is

1031
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 1: the first of many times that he's aggressively harassing his babysitter. Um.

1032
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 1: I feel like his entire character is summed up in

1033
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 1: the line I'm not gonna stop sending Jessica text messages

1034
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 1: that make her feel uncomfortable, just literally a line of dialogue,

1035
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: he says, and and to Kevin Bacon, to Kevin Bacon,

1036
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 1: poor Kevin Bacon, have even listen to Jonah Bobos about

1037
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 1: this toxic rhetoric. Um, But that's like his entire character,

1038
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 1: Like he is constantly and I hate this so much.

1039
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 1: Probably it's a personal thing because it makes me extremely uncomfortable.

1040
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 1: But like the whole idea of like if you are

1041
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 1: rejected explicitly, not even like, oh, I don't think she

1042
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: likes me, She sends him a text saying stop this,

1043
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 1: you are making me uncomfortable, and then he doubles and

1044
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 1: triples down and the whole like grand, I hate the

1045
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 1: whole Grand Jessicing. I think it's like the cringe eest was.

1046
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 1: I know some people like grand gestures. They make me

1047
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 1: so uncomfortable, hat and so many So Yeah, like so

1048
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 1: much of this movie is and I feel like there's

1049
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: an element of that um with when Emmastone meets Ryan

1050
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 1: Gosling of like no means yes, of like she's like, no,

1051
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:24,160
Speaker 1: I don't like you know, I'm not. And it's kind

1052
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 1: of similar with this Robbie Jessica storyline where she's like,

1053
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 1: I don't want you to do this does make me uncomfortable,

1054
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 1: and then he will like he does this weird thing

1055
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 1: with the scarlet letter, he does this, he just keeps

1056
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 1: doing ship, He's showing up at her house, He's doing

1057
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 1: all this stuff. And then eventually she's like, I love it,

1058
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 1: I love it, and actually I love you. He's rewarded

1059
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 1: when she gives him her nude photos, which we will

1060
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:53,679
Speaker 1: get to why she has those in a in a second.

1061
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, like it's this like war of attrition that

1062
01:08:57,840 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 1: all the men in this movie are doing where they

1063
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 1: are wearing these women down until they relent for question

1064
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 1: mark reasons because these these women are written so poorly.

1065
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, they are written poorly, but I feel

1066
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 1: like in general, we are taught to believe that you

1067
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 1: have to pursue a person until they fold. Like that's

1068
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 1: the whole entire thing about love and how like the

1069
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 1: whole like marriage and soulmates ship is just like if

1070
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 1: you find somebody really really like, you better dig your

1071
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 1: heels in because someday they all say yes. And like

1072
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: that's like the grossest part of some of this stuff

1073
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 1: in the movie is that it is like it's accurate

1074
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:46,560
Speaker 1: to how people behave Yeah right, I mean it just

1075
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: it reinforced. It like takes behavior that like people have

1076
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 1: been conditioned with thinking is like the right way to

1077
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 1: do it, and then it just like reinforces it rather

1078
01:09:55,560 --> 01:10:00,120
Speaker 1: than like examining, Hey, maybe that's not the way to

1079
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 1: do it. Maybe this is like getting like a little dark.

1080
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:07,640
Speaker 1: But even how like, I mean, the way that the

1081
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: Robbie Jessica thing resolves is just like uh like, but

1082
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 1: I I do like there were times when it seems

1083
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 1: like she was really in a way that I'm like,

1084
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 1: I don't even know if this was written intentionally or

1085
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 1: if the like the actors playing Jessica was like doing

1086
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 1: a subtle thing, but it seems like, you know, we're

1087
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 1: also often taught like it's easier to like let someone

1088
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 1: down easy. It's easier to be very gentle and coddleman's

1089
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 1: feelings literally for safety purposes, Like if you don't, like,

1090
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:46,520
Speaker 1: you know, engage with someone who's making you very uncomfortable

1091
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 1: in a way that is very like accommodating to them,

1092
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 1: you could get harmed. And that was like there were

1093
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 1: moments that I'm like, oh, I don't think that they

1094
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 1: were trying to say that, But if I were Jessica

1095
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 1: and the same boy was escalating behavior that I didn't

1096
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 1: like treating me, you know, like in more and more

1097
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 1: bizarre ways, I feel like there is like a place

1098
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 1: in my head, especially when I was younger, that I

1099
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 1: would be like, oh, i'd better like kind of coddle

1100
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:18,599
Speaker 1: and protect this person's feelings because they're behaving really scary

1101
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 1: and like, you don't know what someone will do if

1102
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 1: you just keep like so I appreciate that we did

1103
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 1: see her reject him outright several times and say stop, stop, stop,

1104
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 1: But then it's like, I don't know. I I think

1105
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 1: that like in a real life situation, like we are

1106
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 1: kind of taught for our own safety to to not

1107
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 1: be like quite so direct constantly, which is so depressing

1108
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: because it's like, well, you never know when someone's gonna

1109
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 1: murder you, like right, and like and Sammy, like you're saying,

1110
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 1: the behavior that's on display here in this movie is

1111
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 1: reflective of this era that the movie comes out inn

1112
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 1: Like it's wild to think that ten years ago, which

1113
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like that long ago, but like that was

1114
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 1: still very much the attitude that people had that you,

1115
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 1: if you really like someone, you aggressively pursue them until

1116
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 1: they have no choice but to relent. And that is

1117
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 1: actually awesome and romantic and not creepy and harassy and stockery.

1118
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 1: That yeah, that was that we were all still very

1119
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 1: much subscribing to that magazine. I mean, unfortunately, I feel

1120
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 1: like it's still what people are striving for, is that

1121
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 1: like the whole thing of like relationships, in the beginning

1122
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 1: of relationship, like there needs to be a little bit

1123
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 1: of drama. There needs to be somebody like pretending or

1124
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 1: playing a game, and like I feel like that's just

1125
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 1: such ship and even like the whole like soulmate thing

1126
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 1: is like ridiculous, is like that doesn't even make sense

1127
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 1: because if you look at most of the people who

1128
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 1: are married, they're married to people who they work with,

1129
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 1: and you're definitely probably not going to find your soul

1130
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:18,719
Speaker 1: mate at your job. Sorry, God Willing. It's so yeah,

1131
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,839
Speaker 1: like and and that whole I mean, the whole idea

1132
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 1: of how soulmates are presented is so manipulative because it's

1133
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:31,599
Speaker 1: like the whole Okay, the eighth grade graduation when Jonah

1134
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:35,759
Speaker 1: Bobo is making a speech, he's like love sucks love

1135
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 1: like love's and then and then Steve Carrell stands up

1136
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:42,679
Speaker 1: like wait, and you're like, oh my god. If you're

1137
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 1: just like a parent at this, You're like, what is

1138
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 1: going on? Who is this man? I need to go home.

1139
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 1: I have to pee, Like why is Steve Carrell standing

1140
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 1: up here? But Steve Carrell goes down and gives the

1141
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 1: most toxic speech of all time where he's like, my

1142
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 1: son doesn't mean what he says. I think my son

1143
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 1: is not very smart anyways, uh like, and then he

1144
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 1: goes into like my son believes in soulmates and just

1145
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 1: the whole where is the line that absolutely maybe want

1146
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 1: to die. That's a lot of them, But there there

1147
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 1: was a line where he basically says that like, oh,

1148
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 1: my son believes in grand romantic gestures, which is code

1149
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 1: for harassing women until they give into what you want,

1150
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 1: and invokes this idea of soulmates as something that like,

1151
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, oh, just keep bothering your soulmate

1152
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:34,800
Speaker 1: until they talk to you. It's like, no, if your

1153
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 1: soulmate was your soulmate, they would want to talk to you.

1154
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 1: That is the basic dissidence of like, they're not your

1155
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:43,640
Speaker 1: soul mate if they don't want to be around you

1156
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:47,679
Speaker 1: or speak to you. Like, that's not how that works.

1157
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 1: Like it's just such a basic thing that he's presenting

1158
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:56,800
Speaker 1: as like keep going, keep going, and and she'll change

1159
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 1: your mind eventually. But apparently screenwriter Dan Fogelman nor directors

1160
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 1: Glenn or John Requa know this. Oh my god. Their

1161
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:12,640
Speaker 1: their resume is funny too. Well, yeah, bad Santas in

1162
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:16,439
Speaker 1: their Bad Santas in Their Cats and Dogs, a movie

1163
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 1: that may be so scared I cried when I was

1164
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 1: a kid. Um and the upcoming Jungle Cruise movie. Oh,

1165
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 1: starring the Rock, starring the Rock. They wrote a trailer

1166
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:33,679
Speaker 1: they also okay to their credit they're only like credits

1167
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 1: that are like, oh are the first ones they did? Um,

1168
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 1: they did right on the Wild thorn Berries and the

1169
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:43,920
Speaker 1: Angry Beavers. Good for them. Uh. They also are uncredited

1170
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 1: on Looney Tunes Back in Action starring Brendan Fraser. So

1171
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 1: you know, they clearly deserved to make a fifty million

1172
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 1: dollar five hour rom com. It makes total sense to me.

1173
01:15:56,080 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 1: M hm um also is produced by Denise dano Vi. Yeah,

1174
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 1: who is who we've spoken about on the show before.

1175
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:10,480
Speaker 1: She's kind of an iconic producer who has really championed

1176
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 1: a lot of amazing movies, very often champions movies that

1177
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 1: are um driven and run by women. Um we I

1178
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 1: think we talked about her most Indie Little Women episode

1179
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 1: because she um, she got both the nineties and the

1180
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 1: two thousand tens one made. Um, She's just behind a

1181
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 1: lot of cool movies and um, but this isn't one

1182
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 1: of them. No, No it's not. I should we talk

1183
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 1: about Jessica the Babysitter being in love with cow yes,

1184
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:45,640
Speaker 1: and then I need to shove my head into the

1185
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 1: garbage disposal, so we'd better get to it. Okay, So

1186
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 1: it's established that she is in love with Steve Carrell,

1187
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 1: and I guess we just have to suspend our disbelief

1188
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:02,760
Speaker 1: for that. That. Yeah, it's like this is this is

1189
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 1: a setup we've seen before. I don't think it's the

1190
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:08,719
Speaker 1: like if it's handled well, this isn't always the worst setup.

1191
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 1: It's like, you know a teenager who has a crush

1192
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:16,840
Speaker 1: on someone older. It's like, Okay, it's happy, how it goes,

1193
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:21,720
Speaker 1: let's see what they do. But then this happens so

1194
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:28,720
Speaker 1: um basically her, a classmate of hers, who is presumably

1195
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 1: another seventeen year old, is said to be having sex

1196
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 1: with a lot of older men all the time. This

1197
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 1: is one of the least realistically written teen characters. I'm

1198
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 1: like Dan Fog imagine Dan Folg woman sitting in his

1199
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 1: car's mansion trying to imagine how seventeen year old girls

1200
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 1: talk to each other, and then writing that scene awful, ridiculous.

1201
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 1: He also wrote Tangled, which like, now I have to

1202
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 1: go back and rewatch Tangled to be like, no, don't

1203
01:17:56,320 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 1: take Tangled from me. Got to cover that someday soon. Anyway,

1204
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 1: fred claws cars to oh car cars, you know, I

1205
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 1: will say, haunt cars too, better than cars one anyway,

1206
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 1: So this classmate of Jessica's says, well, if you want

1207
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 1: an older man to be interested in you, you have

1208
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 1: to send him a message, send him pictures that let

1209
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 1: him know. So Jessica proceeds to take nude photos of herself,

1210
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 1: which this actor was not underage when this movie was shot.

1211
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 1: I checked because she and Amazon are the same age.

1212
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:41,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's implied child pornography and we're supposed to

1213
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 1: be like ha ha, she okay, So that's what they do.

1214
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 1: So she prints them out because it's and we all

1215
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 1: had photo printers, I guess, and with the intent of

1216
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:58,680
Speaker 1: giving them to cal But before she can, Jessica's mother

1217
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 1: finds these photos and then shows them to her dad,

1218
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 1: which is like, in what fucking world, what of her daughter?

1219
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 1: You would go and talk to your daughter for right?

1220
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess, I guess, I mean it is

1221
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:18,800
Speaker 1: like she it's not inconceivable to be that a bad

1222
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 1: parent would do that, And every parent in this movie

1223
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 1: is a bad parent, except for Julianne Moore sometimes. But

1224
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:30,680
Speaker 1: it's so and it's played so jokey. I also like

1225
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 1: John Carol Lynch a lot, and I don't like when

1226
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 1: he's misused in movies. He's a character actor icon. Come on,

1227
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 1: you're gonna treat Mr Fargo like that? I mean, I

1228
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 1: think it's house I think it completely stands to reason

1229
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 1: that Jessica's mom would tell her dad about but to

1230
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 1: show them show him the photos. Yeah, I feel like

1231
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 1: as a mother, you destroy the photos or I don't know,

1232
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what you do. I don't want to

1233
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:57,879
Speaker 1: think of I don't want to be in this situation.

1234
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 1: Why why is this happening at the end of the movie. Yeah? What?

1235
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 1: I yeah? What I what? What happened? I don't know

1236
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 1: exactly the best way to handle it. I know the

1237
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 1: worst way to handle it, which is to show nude

1238
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 1: photos of a teenage girl. She's sitting right there too.

1239
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 1: Like it's just horrifying, yucky, yucky. Yeah that I mean,

1240
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 1: Like I want to be clear, Like I don't blame

1241
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 1: the girls, neither Jessica nor this classmate of hers, Like

1242
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 1: I blame the adult filmmakers who put these scenes into

1243
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:34,760
Speaker 1: this movie. Yeah, these people are not real And like

1244
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:38,639
Speaker 1: this writer cannot write a female character like to save

1245
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:42,960
Speaker 1: his life. He also made This is Us apparently anyways. Yeah,

1246
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 1: it's like the way that the teenage girls are written

1247
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:49,840
Speaker 1: is like pretty unrealistic, and the way that this like

1248
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 1: you know, like really serious thing is treated is as

1249
01:20:56,160 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 1: a quick joke to get us to the scene where

1250
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 1: all the men fite each other. Yeah, it's just like

1251
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 1: I just like if you're if you as a writer

1252
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 1: or not like equipped to like deal with a storyline

1253
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 1: like that responsibly, just like find another way to get

1254
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:14,720
Speaker 1: John Carroll Lynch to punch Steve Carrell in the face.

1255
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 1: Like there's so many other ways to get there, and

1256
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 1: like if you need to get there, but like putting

1257
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 1: that level of like those are like gigantic steaks to

1258
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 1: put if you don't know how to write a storyline

1259
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 1: like that, and you don't know how to write a

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01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 1: teenage girl character, Like I I just don't even understand

1261
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 1: why the writer would put that in there, you know

1262
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like it's just an it's an easy,

1263
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:46,080
Speaker 1: bad plot point to get to without that level of seriousness.

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01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like the whole entire, like

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01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 1: Jessica being in love with cal does not even need

1266
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 1: to be in the movie whatsoever. No, it doesn't make

1267
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 1: sense to me. She could have just been a normal babysitter.

1268
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 1: These perverts wanted that in there. So weird and it's

1269
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 1: like also, I yeah, I guess I don't understand the

1270
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:11,640
Speaker 1: plot relevance it has either, because it's like are we

1271
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:14,680
Speaker 1: supposed to think? Like, oh, no, Steve Carrell is a

1272
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:19,840
Speaker 1: really viable guy, like what what? What are we being? Uh?

1273
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:24,719
Speaker 1: And which? So it doesn't go anywhere. I mean, I'm glad, obviously,

1274
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:26,560
Speaker 1: I'm glad it doesn't go anywhere, but it's just like,

1275
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:30,560
Speaker 1: why is it there? I guess like the theme of

1276
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 1: the movie is everyone's in love with somebody who who

1277
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 1: is near them. I'm just so glad Steve Carrell, Like Steve,

1278
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 1: that's a shirt, that's a T shirt. I'm just glad

1279
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 1: Steve Carrell like finally stopped doing these midlife Crisis five

1280
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 1: movies because Okay, I'm gonna just like list some because

1281
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 1: there were so many. Um there was Dan in real life.

1282
01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:00,080
Speaker 1: That was one of them. I think that was be

1283
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:02,560
Speaker 1: the first one where his head's on the pancakes and

1284
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:07,800
Speaker 1: it was and it's boring. Um there was um this movie.

1285
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 1: There was the next year seeking a friend for the

1286
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 1: end of the world. Uh, there was the Way Way Back,

1287
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 1: which I fun facted one day of paying on because

1288
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:21,559
Speaker 1: he shot at in Massachusetts. Um. And then and then

1289
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 1: I think that this, um, this ends in when he

1290
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:29,720
Speaker 1: successfully plays a dramatic role in Fox Catcher. But that's

1291
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 1: like five movies where he's playing the same midlife crisis guy. Um.

1292
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 1: And oh, I guess you could maybe argue it started

1293
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:39,720
Speaker 1: with Little Miss Sunshine, which it like starts on a

1294
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 1: high note because it's like an indie Darling where he

1295
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 1: has a serious you know, like it's like I'm in

1296
01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 1: middle aged man in crisis. But then he keeps playing

1297
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:50,479
Speaker 1: that role, and then eventually he gets the Fox Catcher

1298
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 1: and now and he's like, Okay, I got my nominations

1299
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 1: for things, and now I can go back to being

1300
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 1: a great comedian. Why was he doing these movies? It's

1301
01:23:58,439 --> 01:24:03,640
Speaker 1: just confusing his range, probably on the I guess, but

1302
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 1: it's like, is he good in this movie? Not like

1303
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:09,400
Speaker 1: he could be Steve Carrell could be anyone in this movie.

1304
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:12,560
Speaker 1: Any man could be this man. But I read the

1305
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 1: screenwriter wrote this script with Steve Carrell in mind, so

1306
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 1: he was like writing it for him specifically, I wonder

1307
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 1: if he did the same thing with Lightning McQueen. I wonder,

1308
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 1: I wonder if he was like, so yeah, I really

1309
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 1: couldn't imagine anyone but Owen Wilson as Lightning, and it

1310
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:39,559
Speaker 1: really informed my process. Like I honestly, I guess Larry

1311
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 1: the cable guide that what's his name made her Maybe

1312
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:45,680
Speaker 1: that was written for him. That might have been the

1313
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:51,600
Speaker 1: Fogelman technique choose the actor first. Anyways, what's funny to

1314
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 1: me is that, like, Steve Carrell is actually incredibly handsome,

1315
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 1: and they could have made him as handsome or more

1316
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:01,960
Speaker 1: handsome than and Ryan Gosling, but they chose to give

1317
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:06,599
Speaker 1: him this like very weird, like seven layer middle aged

1318
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 1: man outfit rather than like leveling him up to be

1319
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:12,840
Speaker 1: like as hot as he is in real life, which

1320
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 1: is interesting. Yeah, because like Steve Curl isn't attract I mean,

1321
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:19,680
Speaker 1: he's an attractive man. And I also feel like it's

1322
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:22,760
Speaker 1: like the way that the coding that movies used to

1323
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 1: tell you who's attractive and who isn't is always just

1324
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 1: so dissonant and just bizarre. And a couple last things

1325
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring up this is obviously a very

1326
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:40,800
Speaker 1: hetero movie. Everyone is in love with you know, men

1327
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 1: are in love with women, women are in love with men.

1328
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 1: There's everyone's white and has plenty of money, like, oh,

1329
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:50,759
Speaker 1: you know, all that kind of stuff. Um. In addition

1330
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 1: to that, there are a few homophobic jokes that get made,

1331
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 1: where the first time Cal sees Jacob across the bar,

1332
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 1: he just looks at him and says gay because he's

1333
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 1: homophobic and awful. There's an AIDS Jokes joke a few

1334
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 1: scenes later, um at the same again, the same bar,

1335
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:16,320
Speaker 1: when Cal and Jacob actually talked for the first time,

1336
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:20,720
Speaker 1: Jacob comments on how Cal drinking a drink through a

1337
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 1: straw makes him look like he's sucking on a tiny penis.

1338
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:27,759
Speaker 1: But he's also used I guess is his character supposed

1339
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 1: to be? Is Jacob supposed to be Jewish? Because he

1340
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:35,400
Speaker 1: keeps saying either like Hebrew or Yiddish words throughout the movie.

1341
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:40,599
Speaker 1: Maybe that's in the director's cut, that that when you've

1342
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:47,240
Speaker 1: got a whole explanation about Jacob's upbringing outside of mean mommy,

1343
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:52,800
Speaker 1: nice daddy. Right. Um. And then there's a I guess

1344
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:56,919
Speaker 1: what's meant to be a visual joke when Cal passes

1345
01:26:56,960 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 1: out in a sauna into Jacob's good crotch. And that's comedy,

1346
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 1: baby man. I h I just I like want better

1347
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:14,680
Speaker 1: for basically every actor in this except for Jonah Bubo unfortunately,

1348
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 1: who has since retired. He's he's done so he's writing

1349
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 1: folk music anywhere. Statement hats I checked. Okay, wow, thanks

1350
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 1: for doing that important research. That's the real that, That's

1351
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:30,679
Speaker 1: what I'm here for. And then the other thing we're

1352
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:35,599
Speaker 1: bringing up is the title of this movie crazy Comma,

1353
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 1: stupid comma, love period. And this this is a conversation

1354
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 1: that's happening, not a lot, but more and more. And

1355
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:47,439
Speaker 1: you know, we on the podcast, we're trying to help

1356
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 1: spread the word regarding the use of certain words and

1357
01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 1: certain language choices too, of which are in the title

1358
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 1: of this movie. Right, yes, and they might seem pretty harmless,

1359
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:04,680
Speaker 1: but in reality they are ablest because this type of

1360
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:10,919
Speaker 1: language disparages physical and intellectual disabilities and further's this stigma

1361
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:19,360
Speaker 1: of mental illness. And this includes words like crazy, stupid, dumb, lame, insane,

1362
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:23,599
Speaker 1: et cetera, because, like you know, these words have often

1363
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 1: been used to other and to demonize people with disabilities

1364
01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 1: and mental illness, and these words are also often used

1365
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 1: in just like everyday colloquial language in the context of

1366
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:39,479
Speaker 1: like disparaging. This thing is bad, this thing is wrong.

1367
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 1: So our brains make these connections and it just perpetuates

1368
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 1: these ablest ideas. So we are actively working on eliminating

1369
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 1: this type of language from our vocabulary. We encourage others

1370
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 1: to do the same. To read up about it, Will

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01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 1: will include some links in the show notes. Yeah, it's

1372
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 1: it's it's. If this is the first time you're hearing

1373
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:08,280
Speaker 1: about something like this, just begin to educate yourself. That

1374
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:12,280
Speaker 1: is the step you can take today. And it's it's

1375
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:15,800
Speaker 1: just a thing you should do. We we used to

1376
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 1: use words like that on the show, not realizing the

1377
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:22,360
Speaker 1: potential harm that they have to cause. UM. And then

1378
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 1: we learned better, and then we did better, and there

1379
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:27,320
Speaker 1: you go, and we'll yeah, we'll, we'll have there's a

1380
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:30,160
Speaker 1: number of great resources about this kind of ongoing discussion,

1381
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:33,600
Speaker 1: as well as alternative words you can use, um to

1382
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:37,760
Speaker 1: kind of rewire your brain a little bit. Uh. In conclusion,

1383
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:42,479
Speaker 1: the title of this movie stinks, So I think we

1384
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 1: can all agree that they should have stuck with their

1385
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:49,839
Speaker 1: original title, which was untitled marital crisis comedy, yes, untitled

1386
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 1: commas comedy yes, period yeah so yeah. On top of that, uh,

1387
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:04,760
Speaker 1: to tie little bow in it the title and I

1388
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:08,080
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about this movie anymore. Does it

1389
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:11,880
Speaker 1: pass the Bechtel test? I don't think it does because

1390
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:14,639
Speaker 1: there are a couple of conversation a few conversations where

1391
01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:19,599
Speaker 1: women interact. For example, Hannah and her friend Liz talk

1392
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:23,760
Speaker 1: about Conan O'Brien, they talk about Jacob, they talk about

1393
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:29,640
Speaker 1: Josh Grobin. None of those scenes passed. Jessica and her classmate,

1394
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:33,280
Speaker 1: who is named Madison, I think, talk about how to

1395
01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 1: get older men to sleep with them horrifying. Um. Jessica

1396
01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:42,840
Speaker 1: and Emily talk about cal and also Jessica's really really

1397
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:45,320
Speaker 1: mean to Emilyson. Then she says I won't take your

1398
01:30:45,400 --> 01:30:49,679
Speaker 1: slutty money and run the way, which, um, I don't

1399
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:51,840
Speaker 1: like the scene it's in, but I'm like, that's maybe

1400
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 1: I'll use that line every the next time we're splitting

1401
01:30:57,439 --> 01:31:03,240
Speaker 1: up Patreon money, of like, I don't want your um

1402
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:06,240
Speaker 1: and this doesn't This doesn't, of course pass, but um.

1403
01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 1: Emily says to David Lyndhagen, I'm saving you from disaster

1404
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 1: because you're about to preboard the Titanic. Love that. Also,

1405
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:19,519
Speaker 1: we didn't get into David Lynd Hoggan because literally who

1406
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:23,519
Speaker 1: cares um, But but he also was sort of like

1407
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:26,840
Speaker 1: that in that one scene. She's like, look, this isn't

1408
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:29,400
Speaker 1: gonna work out, and he's like, it's going to work out.

1409
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:32,040
Speaker 1: But I like you, so I need to keep talking

1410
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 1: to you even if you don't want me to. I

1411
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:36,880
Speaker 1: decided your vice soul mate, so I'm that gives me

1412
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:39,519
Speaker 1: a license to her wrath you until one of us die.

1413
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 1: Like God. The thesis statement of the movie, Uh so,

1414
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:49,840
Speaker 1: let's rate it on our nipple scale zero to five

1415
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:54,920
Speaker 1: nipples based on an examination of intersectional feminism. I'm just

1416
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and give this zero nipples. Yeah, none, none,

1417
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:01,519
Speaker 1: And I feel like we've really if we we've really

1418
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:03,760
Speaker 1: said it all none. If I had a nipple, I

1419
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:06,040
Speaker 1: would give it to baby Joey King, but I don't

1420
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 1: have one. I have none thoughts, zero nipples. Um. I

1421
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:16,040
Speaker 1: think that my favorite part of this movie is there

1422
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:20,280
Speaker 1: is a behind the scene story that I think Ryan

1423
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:25,439
Speaker 1: and Emma talk about on Graham Norton Um where they

1424
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:29,240
Speaker 1: were talking about the terribly boring dirty dancing scene. Actually,

1425
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:31,559
Speaker 1: my note in my notes my note on my notes

1426
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:36,080
Speaker 1: says dirty dancing hyphen Clearly a boring person wrote this movie.

1427
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:42,960
Speaker 1: Um but so uh the scene where Ryan lifts Emma up,

1428
01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:46,920
Speaker 1: apparently she was very, very very scared to do this scene.

1429
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:52,719
Speaker 1: She did try it, though, and apparently claude at Ryan

1430
01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:55,920
Speaker 1: Gosling's head like a raccoon when she was up, so

1431
01:32:56,360 --> 01:32:58,040
Speaker 1: so they did have to go with a dot person

1432
01:32:58,160 --> 01:33:04,400
Speaker 1: for it. I love Emma Stone, she really is. Oh.

1433
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:08,599
Speaker 1: I had my my last note that I haven't marked off.

1434
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:11,080
Speaker 1: This was just a passing thought because I was trying

1435
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:13,280
Speaker 1: so hard to make sense of this. There was a

1436
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:16,320
Speaker 1: good ten minutes of watching this movie where I thought

1437
01:33:16,439 --> 01:33:20,920
Speaker 1: that Ryan Gosling was possibly dead, like Six Cents style,

1438
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:25,000
Speaker 1: because he's just that whole montage where he's like training

1439
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 1: Steve Garrel. I'm like, what if this is like the

1440
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:30,120
Speaker 1: sixth Cents and Steve girls actually alone because he's just

1441
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:32,160
Speaker 1: sitting at a bar with Ryan, And I'm like, well,

1442
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:34,840
Speaker 1: it makes sense because I have no idea why Ryan

1443
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:37,360
Speaker 1: Goslink is so interested in Steve Garrell. I don't know

1444
01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:39,240
Speaker 1: why they're in all these locations. I don't know how

1445
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:42,240
Speaker 1: they can afford this. Maybe he's dead, Maybe he's like

1446
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 1: this ghost. I love that theory. Let's stick with that.

1447
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:48,840
Speaker 1: There's long parts of the movie where Ryan Gosling could

1448
01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:51,759
Speaker 1: very well be dead, and that would make more sense

1449
01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:53,840
Speaker 1: if he was like either a ghost or if he

1450
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:57,880
Speaker 1: was like a projection of cow. Yeah, that makes more

1451
01:33:57,960 --> 01:34:01,439
Speaker 1: sense than like Fight Club exactly. That makes more sense

1452
01:34:01,479 --> 01:34:06,439
Speaker 1: than Jacob for no reason taking so much time out

1453
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:10,560
Speaker 1: of his day to quote fix Steve Carrell, because that

1454
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 1: doesn't track at all. I was like, only a ghost

1455
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:19,880
Speaker 1: would be having this much free time. So also Cal,

1456
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:22,840
Speaker 1: I forgot to mention this, but Cal is very cruel

1457
01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:25,719
Speaker 1: to several people who work in the service industry. Throughout

1458
01:34:25,720 --> 01:34:29,439
Speaker 1: the movie, he's really yeah, awful, and then he always

1459
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:31,080
Speaker 1: just goes he's I feel like this is like a

1460
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:33,439
Speaker 1: Steve Carrell in prop. Then he'll just be like, sorry,

1461
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:36,920
Speaker 1: that was a little that We're like, come on, come on,

1462
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:39,840
Speaker 1: I love Steve Grel so much, but this era of

1463
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:44,360
Speaker 1: Steve Carell is tough. So this movie does not do

1464
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:51,240
Speaker 1: justice to any of the actors in it. Yeah, anyway,

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Speaker 1: Sammy wait, I forgot to shout this out, but please,

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Speaker 1: you guys think that they intended for Ryan Gosling to

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Speaker 1: be eating that Sabarrow when they I don't think I

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Speaker 1: really don't think that that was I think that that

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Speaker 1: was like a Ryan Gosling improv Oh if that was

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Speaker 1: just like what they had for like crafts are like

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Speaker 1: lunch that day on Stay he probably they have probably

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Speaker 1: made like a pi a, go get a fucking slice

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Speaker 1: of pizza because Ryan had an idea that day and

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Speaker 1: then they're like, Okay, we're gonna roll with it. I like,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that. Yeah, Ryan Gosling seems like those

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Speaker 1: one of those guys that's like because he's so famous

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Speaker 1: that if he thinks an idea is kind of funny,

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Speaker 1: probably no one's going to be like, that's not very funny.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm by that, especially because it doesn't

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Speaker 1: really track for his character. His character would be the

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Speaker 1: type of person who's like eating caviare and like patta

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Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and not like Sabarrow. I feel

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01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:55,679
Speaker 1: like because he's just so like he's anti poor people,

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Speaker 1: things like don't you dare wear balance sneakers around him?

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Speaker 1: He will throw from he killed someone with that new

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Speaker 1: Balance sneaker. Um. Yeah, Ryan Gosling character. I think if

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Speaker 1: you do need to watch Crazy Stupid Love, you should

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Speaker 1: do so thinking that Ryan Gosling's character is dead the

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Speaker 1: whole time, and it's a more rewarding experience. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for putting that in my brain. Um, Sammy, thank you

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Speaker 1: for joining us. Thank you for having me. What a thrill. Indeed,

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Speaker 1: I just get so drunk off of Ryan Gosling and

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Speaker 1: Emastone's chemistry that I don't understand what happens. Sorry, I'm

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Speaker 1: so sorry. It is intoxicating. No. We we had to

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Speaker 1: cover this movie eventually, and what better person to do

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Speaker 1: it than you? Thank you, Thank you, thank you for

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Speaker 1: coming back. Thank you. What would you like to plug?

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Speaker 1: Where can people follow you on social media? Etcetera? Um? Oh,

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Speaker 1: find me on Instagram? It underscore your underscore, Sam And

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Speaker 1: I'm already sorry, don't be so. It's it's a You've

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Speaker 1: got great content there, okay. Um you can follow us

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Speaker 1: on Instagram as well as Twitter. At Bechtel Cast, you

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Speaker 1: can and should subscribe to our Patreon aka Matreon at

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Speaker 1: which is upwards of a D bonuses. So if you've

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Speaker 1: run out of main feed episodes, screwed on over to

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Speaker 1: the to the Matreon, why don't you and you can

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Speaker 1: get our our merch at dot com. Slash the Battel

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Speaker 1: Cast hell yeah, and uh I say we. Since we're

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Speaker 1: all the perfect combination of sexy and cute, let's just

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Speaker 1: go outside and show the world that all. Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Bye bye ye