WEBVTT - Jamie O'Neal 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:16.239 Carola. She's the queen of talking. He was sown. She's 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:19.400 on the side. She got the snoop on on the 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:28.360 one side. No one can do with Clie Carola Carola. 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:36.320 No one can do with Clie Carola Carola. Hey, y'all, 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.800 welcome to Hyper Caroline Hobby. I am your host, Caroline Hobby. 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:42.519 I know music, I know people, and I know the 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:45.440 questions do you want to ask? So let's get hyper 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:49.479 heads up. These are adults having adult conversations, so there 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:53.600 could be adult content. You guys, I have j B 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:57.400 O'Neill in the house. What what So? When she came 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:01.000 out two thousand, her album Shiver went to gold, number one, 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:03.240 back to back singles, to number one, back to back singles. 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:05.759 There is no Arizona when I think about Angels. She's 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:09.120 not made for Grammys. She won a c M Top 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:16.360 New Artists. She's saying all by myself in Bridget Jones Diary, Okay, 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:19.280 are you kidding me? That's like the movie of my life. 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:21.400 She's amazing, She's so much fun to talk to. I'm 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:24.120 so honored, thrilled, kind of fan girled out a little 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:25.600 bit that I got to interview her because I'm such 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:31.959 a fan of her. Here is Jamie O'Neil. Jamie O'Neil 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:35.360 in the house. Actually, I'm in your house. I know. 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:37.959 I'm so glad you're here. Thank you. I'm sorry, and 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:41.080 I'm pay you. Your house is amazing. It's like a 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:44.440 you walk in it, It's an experience that's so cozy. 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:48.360 You have all these great feeling colors. What's the vibe 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:50.560 that you could call your house? I would call it 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:55.040 um Castle meets kind of. I mean, I like the 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:58.560 idea of it being cozy and kind of like um 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:03.120 earth tones, nothing too garish and bright, more like soothing. 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:05.920 But it's it's pretty dark. I mean, it's kind of 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:09.880 like moody. And I love it. Thank you. I absolutely 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:12.079 love it. And I've kind of collected things all over 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:14.359 from all the places I've been, so everything has kind 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:17.480 of a memory attached to it. I love that. I 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:19.519 really think that's so special because you see, it takes 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:22.760 you back. You never forget where you've been. Absolutely, by 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:26.120 the way, you're from Australia. I never knew that. I know. Well, 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:28.320 it's it's throws people because I don't have an accent 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:30.919 where it's kind of like I always say, it's the 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:33.760 opposite of Nicole Kidman. She was born in New York 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:36.760 or Hawaii or something, and then she moved to Australia. Well, 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:38.360 I was born in Australia and then I moved here 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:43.079 when I was two, Okay, because I moved back there 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:46.480 and I ended up touring with Kylie Minogue and going 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:48.480 all all over the world with her, and that was 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:51.120 a major It was just a life changing experience in 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:53.880 my twenties. And I lived back there for nine years 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:55.880 before I came. I got offered by publishing deal and 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:59.320 came back to Nashville. Okay, So we have to break 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:02.440 that down a little bit. How it's very confusing. Your 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:05.600 family is you're from a family band, So you grew 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:08.959 up playing music your parents? What kind of family band 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.960 were you at? My mom was a singer dancer. My 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:15.040 dad was a songwriter and a guitar player, great guitar 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:19.560 player and um singer and yodeler yodeler, can you get us? No? No, 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:23.720 My sister is a master yodeler. Now I can only 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:28.600 do a little old Lady who from the Knock Knock jokes. 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:33.000 That's That's all I'm good for, That's right. So, um, yeah, 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:36.640 family and my younger sister and then um, my parents divorced. 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:38.600 That kind of broke up the family band. So what 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:40.960 it was it was yodeling, it was country. It was 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:43.360 country music. And we did like Pop Goes the Country 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:46.480 with Ralph Emery here in Nashville when I was little, 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:49.760 and we worked with Ronnie millsap, Dolly Parton, Crystal Gale. 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:51.600 We opened up for a lot of different country artists. 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:54.280 You are like a very successful family band. Well, we 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:57.040 grew I grew family, you know, it's kind of like that. Yeah, 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:59.520 we had the overalls, we had the bus, you know, 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:02.480 we had we just we in between fairs. We would 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:05.280 just go to a koa campground, plug in and live 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:07.720 there until the next fair. So you really like gypsies. 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:10.120 We just traveled wherever the work was. How long did 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:13.200 you do that? My whole childhood from the age of 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:16.520 probably seven. I started singing at eight, but from the 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:17.839 age of seven I was on the road with my 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:20.040 parents because they did it all the way up till 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:23.560 about um, wow, and you and your sister, is it 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.240 just y'all too? And then my dad remarried and had 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:30.039 three more kids. About the family band was overbeted right exactly. 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:32.039 And then he started a new family band with my 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:35.720 sisters and and my step mom. So he's always been 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.640 in the business and now he's co managing me. So 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:41.280 so he had the first family band with your mom 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:43.839 and your sister, so it's four of y'all. And then 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:46.080 your parents divorced and he started a new family band 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:48.320 with his new wife and three new kids. Well they 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:49.960 didn't really go on the road though, they were just 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:52.800 playing in Washington State. But yeah, everyone in my family 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:56.200 sings or writes music, and yeah, it's really it's really 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:59.360 cool because we have karaoke nights. We really have Karen 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:02.120 Go Hard. My dad does Baby Got Back, and it 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:06.120 brings down the house. He is a master rapper. It's amazing. 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:07.880 He'll be here in a little while, so he might 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:09.559 do it. Maybe you could pop into a little yodeling 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:11.440 a little rap session. It would not be funny. I 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:13.400 had a yodel in a rap song. Let's do it. 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:16.200 That yodeling really is the country version of rapping. I 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:19.640 guess I totally agree. That's amazing. You don't meet many 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:21.919 people who actually grow up in a family band like 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:26.120 into the music like that. Music industry like that, right, Yeah, 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:28.120 we were singing, and you know the thing is, we 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:30.599 thought it was so fun, so much fun. And my 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:33.440 dad used to give us quarters to go to the arcade. 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:35.520 So to us, you know, just being able to play 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:38.240 the games, sing and then ride the rides and then 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:40.440 eat a corn dog and then do another show and 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:42.280 then get back on the right. I mean, it's a 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:44.120 great way to grow up, you know. And we never 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:45.960 thought we were missing out on anything, and all we 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:48.320 ever wanted to do was sing, and so it's just 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:50.679 I think it was just, you know, something that started 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:53.559 early and took a hold and it's never gone away. 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:58.720 Did you'll tour all over the States? We did nice? Okay. 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:02.520 So then from two years old you're born in Australia. 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:06.159 From two to thirteen, you're touring in the family band 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:08.440 in the United States. At some point though, you moved 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:10.680 back to Australia and you link up with Kylie Minogua. 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:13.479 And how did that is very confusing. Well, I went, 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:16.800 I was actually singing in Canada with a couple of 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:18.640 the guys from a Lover Boy and they gave me 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:20.200 all these contacts. I said, I'm going to go to 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:22.480 Australian visit my mom who was living over there at 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:24.440 the time, and my sister, and do you have any 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:27.320 musical contacts and so one thing led to another. They 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:29.080 gave me a list of people to call. I called 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:32.440 all those people. Um, somebody that I was in a 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:35.000 band with at the time said hey, you know she 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:37.360 she needs a backing vocalist. Would you like to do 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:40.320 the tour? And I was like, I said, heck yeah, 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:44.520 So yeah. What was Kylie like? Really great? She's Madonna 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:47.760 of Australia for sure, right, she really is. And I 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:49.640 think I feel like I learned so much from her 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:52.279 because of her work ethic. Would you never seen anybody 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:56.080 work so hard? What's her what's her regime? Like? She's very, 0:06:56.360 --> 0:07:00.960 very structured and very disciplined and she would dance all day. 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:03.360 She would do interviews and dancing. We were over there 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:07.360 doing rehearsals for like ten days, and um, is it Birmingham. 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:09.840 I don't want to say Birmingham because it's like I 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:12.600 don't want to pronounce mispronounce it. But set up in 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:15.160 a huge, you know, arena type of rehearsal space for 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:18.200 ten days and she would come in early in the morning. 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:21.720 They do dance rehearsals, they do fittings, and we were 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:24.960 there to be there for like ten hours, and she 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:27.040 would go beyond that because she had interviews to do 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:29.400 and things like that, and I think, you know, just 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:34.280 being super super disciplined and coming off stage and still 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:36.600 working on stuff. I mean, probably like Taylor Swift, does 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:38.720 you know, they just never stopped. They're really driven in 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:42.520 very She never complained. She loved her complain and I 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:45.240 feel like that was a lot for me to to 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:47.760 learn because I would look at her and I think 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:50.520 she's never saying, oh I'm so tired, I can't take 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:52.800 this anymore anything like that. I never heard a complain 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:54.600 out of her. So now when I work with other 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:57.280 artists as I do because I'm producing, if they complain, 0:07:57.360 --> 0:07:59.920 if these young girls start complaining about being too tired, 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:02.360 and I'm just like, you're not, suck it up. Yeah, 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:04.840 it's a great job and it's a big job, but 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:06.920 it's it takes a lot of commitment. And I think 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:09.760 that drive where you wake up just with that burning 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:12.320 ambition to keep going and to keep doing it into 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:14.800 and that nothing's too hard that you can get through it. 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:18.080 You know, what a great boot camp experience, and it 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:20.480 really was you're like made for this. Though you started 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:22.440 off in your family band, you go straight to Kylie Minoga, 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:24.960 I mean, like honestly. And then okay, so after that 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:27.080 you moved from Australia because you get offered a publishing 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:30.160 deal states How did that happen? Which was, well, it 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:32.160 was Harold Shed and it was kind of new to 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:35.200 me because I've been writing since I was eighteen. But 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:37.680 it wasn't something like in my mind all I wanted 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:39.839 to me was an artist. I didn't really think, oh, 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:42.000 I want to be a songwriter and if an artist 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:43.840 steel comes great. It was more I want to be 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:46.360 an artist steal, and I'll write to help get my 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:48.480 artist steal. I mean you were like trying to write 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:50.760 for other people. You just wanted to not at that time, 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:52.920 I wanted to be the artist exactly. Yeah, and I was. 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:55.080 And when people would want to pitch my songs, I'm like, no, 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:57.720 you know, like when when I think about Angels, I'll 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:00.240 never forget. Whitney Dane was like, what do you pitch 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:03.480 this to Jessica Andrews. I'm like, no, it's fine, it's fine, 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:07.880 mind mine. And now I'd like to take it, take it. 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:09.840 But I wanted to actually talk to you about your 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:16.320 songwriting because your songwriting is you write such incredible lyrics, 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:18.120 like when I think about that's really sweet. I was 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:19.840 just about to say I'm more of a melody person, though, 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:21.400 I have to say I have to give it back 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:24.360 to my co writers, because if I didn't write, I would. 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:25.920 I'm not the kind of person that's going to sit 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:28.720 home writing lyrics, but I will hum melodies all day long. 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:32.480 All my melodies started first, So you're a melody first, 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:35.240 melody first, and then put Yes, I've never put a 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:37.680 melody to lyrics. I've tried, but it just doesn't. It 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:39.959 just doesn't work out for me. The melody has to 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:42.880 come first, and the lyrics come yes yea. And titles 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:46.000 like I mean, I get titles, but but not pages 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:48.000 and pages of lyrics. I have so much respect for 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.960 like Lisa Drew, who I wrote Arizona with, because all 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:53.240 she does is lyrics, and she'll come in with just 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:56.960 pages and pages of songs and she'll fit it precisely 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:58.679 to my melody. I could just send her a melody 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:01.160 and she'll do. That's a great comb team. There is 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:04.520 no Arizona is one of the most amazing songs. Thank you. 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:07.199 Ever that was your big breakup song. I will never 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:10.480 forget when that song came out, I was like, Holy cow, 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:13.120 this girl can sing and that song is so cool. 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:16.160 Thank you. It was different for the time, you know 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:19.080 it was. It has like a almost like a Hotel 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:21.760 California vibe a little bit, and we do Hotel California 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:23.240 in the middle of that song. It's funny you should 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:25.320 say that, are you serious? We do when we do 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:27.960 the bridge, we go into the verse of Hotel California 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:30.160 and then go back to the chorus of Arizona. It's 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:33.560 so cool, Thank you. So tell me how that felt 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:36.240 like you got hooked up with Keith Steagall. Who is 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:39.160 it Steagall or Stea Gale? I can never get stall 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:45.280 And he did all of Alan Jackson's records, so you 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:48.400 get a publishing deal and then does he hear you 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:51.880 and like, I will have to work with her. She's amazing. Um. 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:54.520 I was so lucky too. I feel like I wouldn't 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:56.120 have a career if it wasn't for Keith, you know, 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:58.920 I mean he Gary Overton was at e m I 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.400 and set up an audition in the studio sort of 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:03.000 like this where I was singing on the other side 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:04.920 of the glass and Keith came in to listen to me, 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:08.320 because I guess he liked the idea of hearing someone 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:11.160 in the studio because you really can hear someone's voice. 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:14.280 Sometimes when people say you sound so different live, you 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:16.360 sound so much better live than you do on record, 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:19.319 it's because when you're on record and it really picks 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:22.439 up your tone you're being in the studio. There are 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:25.400 things that they can cover up afterwards, but when you're 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:28.439 singing live on a mike, that's it. That is you're 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:30.760 gonna hear every single thing that might be wrong with 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:32.680 a with a singer or a voice or whatever, or 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:34.760 what they're doing in their throat, you know, and things 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:36.720 like that. The studio is a great a great place 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:39.680 to discover that, and I think Keith knew that, and 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:42.160 I think it was a really different way to audition. 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:44.520 But when you think about it's so smart because you 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:47.600 know what people are really like and what they can do. 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:51.600 So anyway, I had prepared to do four songs and 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:54.160 I made it through two and he's like, stop, stop, stop, 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:56.800 I've heard enough. And I thought, oh, it is yeah, 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:00.760 you know and everything, and no he was like he 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:03.400 told Gary, he said, I want to sign her, like 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:06.480 before he left that day, he was so he was 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:09.320 just instantly on board. And I just feel like everybody 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:12.520 needs that one person that's their champion, and he was 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:15.240 definitely my champion. You have to get that power player 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:17.920 in your corner. He's just cheerleader, going to make it happen. 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:21.040 Who believes in you? But I feel like you would 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:23.600 be very easy to believe in. Your voice is insane. 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:26.079 Like when I heard a lot of nose, I went 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:34.360 around twice to different labels. Yes, people said, are you serious? Wow? 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:36.439 You know, but it only takes one yes. And that's 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:39.120 what I always tell everybody, Like, you can't get discouraged 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:43.480 because every time you hear no, you're just like next, next, next. 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:47.000 And you also really have to keep songwriting, you know, 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:49.800 writing songs because I didn't have Arizona when I got 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:51.800 my deal. I wrote it after I got my record deal. 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:54.400 But you just never know when that next song is 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:56.520 going to be your breakout song. If anybody had asked me, 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:58.520 I would have said Angels would be my first single. 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:01.440 It was my second one. But um, I hadn't even 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:03.760 written Arizona wasn't even on the radar. So I just 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:07.680 feel like it's the songwriting thing. It's very discipline. You 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:10.360 have to. Like, my daughter is writing every day and 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:12.840 she has that passion of running up to a room 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:15.559 and creating and doing all that. For me, I had 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:18.640 to be more disciplined, like make an appointment, show up, 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.760 have my pages of ideas, melodies on my notes and 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.120 things like that, because I didn't write by myself. And 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:27.080 I'm so I I really admire the fact that, you know, 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:28.640 she can't wait to get home from school and go 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:35.800 right Eliah, Eliah. She's alread sometimes though, oh thank you, 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:38.800 Oh my gosh, I see all your Instagram videos that 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:42.120 proud mom. You should be. Yeah, she can see like 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:45.160 a crazy person for thirteen years old. I know she well, 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:48.600 she loves it, you know, and that's what Yeah, yeah, 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:51.360 it's posting in a curse. Though Ronnie and I are like, 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.960 go to medical school, go to law school. She's like, heck, no, 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:58.440 I got I got musician, producer parents. I'm not doing it. Yeah, 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.000 And it's funny because she could probably you know, you 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:03.600 would think have an album recorded by now, but she doesn't. 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:07.160 You know. We're always working with other people, and I mean, 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:09.280 I will work with her, but I feel like she's 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:13.040 so young, and I feel also like having been a 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:16.400 child performer myself, where I put everything into that, it 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.080 kind of makes you grow up quicker and you're thinking 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:22.760 about the business side of things and your childhood goes 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:25.120 to the wayside. And I really want her to enjoy 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:29.520 her childhood. And I also feel like, besides Leanne Rhymes, 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:31.400 who I feel, it's like the exception of a person 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:33.680 who made it when she was thirteen, has really kept 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:37.560 herself together and it's so amazingly talented and has sustained 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:40.280 a career. But that doesn't happen. That's not the norm. 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:42.760 A lot of people fall off the rails and go crazy, 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:45.760 you know, gonna end up on a therapist couch, you know, 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:50.800 and I at one time or another, we definitely do. 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:54.200 But but that it's handed to them so soon, you know, 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.120 and if you're not ready for it, it's a lot 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:58.840 to process. That's actually very smart. Yeah, So let her 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:02.480 have her childhood and maybe when she's ready to fly, well. Yeah. 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:05.240 The other thing is it takes so much work. It 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:09.440 takes so much conditioning when it comes to everything about 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:12.000 you know, your songwriting and you're singing and getting better, 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:14.480 and if you don't work on it, I don't know 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:16.040 that it's going to come. You know, if you if 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:17.760 it's one of those things, I just want to be 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.600 a star, but the work ethic isn't there. I don't 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:23.120 think it's gonna work. I could not agree with you more. 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:26.960 I think that's a big misconception people have, is they think, oh, 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:30.240 people live this glamorous life and they're flying around and 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:33.960 playing shows. That's like the very least of the job. 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.280 I feel like, don't you think absolutely and the steps 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:38.760 you have to take to get there? So what are 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:40.840 the steps? Tell me the steps When you got your 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:43.520 big break and your big record deal, there is no 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:46.280 Arizona came out and then right after when I think 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:48.560 about Angels, tell me what that looks like. You're also 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:52.280 touring with Reeba, you toward Kenny Chesney Alan Jackson, like 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:55.640 you've toured with the great Martina McBride. I know what 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:59.720 did your life look like in that season? Um, it 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:03.160 was very busy. It was definitely like when I look 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:04.880 back on it, I think I wish I could have 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:08.480 enjoyed the moments a little bit more. I think everybody 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:10.960 would say the same thing. You know, Um, I wish 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:12.480 I could have stayed in the moment, But I feel 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:15.080 like for me, it did happen so quickly that I 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:17.840 was just bamboozled by all that I wanted to do 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:20.520 and wanting to sustain in that kind of thing. And 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:23.480 then you know, with leaving record companies, and then I 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:26.120 had my baby, and then my focus completely changed. I 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:30.200 wanted to be there with her. And you know, it's 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:33.640 just life changes and it takes you down roads you 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:37.640 never expected, and that's definitely what show businesses like. But 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:39.960 I feel like if you can make yourself be prepared 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:43.400 for what you think might be coming, um and and 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:45.920 lots of things are distractions for me. I didn't even 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:47.640 get my record deal until I was thirty three, and 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:51.760 I was as I was getting married, and my grandfather 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:54.040 was sick, my aunt was sick. They were both sick 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:55.760 with cancer at the same time as I was getting 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:58.560 married and my record was coming out, so that it 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:00.800 was it was all like how pening it once? You 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:02.520 know what I mean? It was hard to take in 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:06.320 and stay focused and you know, do what I needed 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:10.679 to do and also be emotionally prepared for everything. I think, So, 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:12.400 how old were you when there is no air? When 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:14.439 is it just it? There is no Arizona as the 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:18.320 whole title, is it just Arizona? How old? I love 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:21.320 when people say there ain't no Arizona, or they say 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:23.879 or one person told me I love that song yours 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:28.200 Raise in Arizona, Like that was a movie with Nicolas 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:30.320 Cage and it was a great one. It's not my song. 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:33.160 How old were you when that song came out? Um? 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:35.760 I say, I got my record deal in pretty much 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:40.639 the next year, so like thirty four, Wow, what was touring? 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:44.200 You're actually before I get start, I interned at Capitol 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:46.560 Records and you were on Capitol really what we were 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:49.919 than we there at the same time, and I was 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:53.280 so start Oh my gosh, you're so sweet. I swear 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:56.240 like this whole my whole life has been so fun 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:59.040 because starting off in Turning, I turned it like Universal 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:01.760 South you see at all. Yes, I entered all these 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.200 record labels and I would just be around these artists 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:07.520 like just kind of wide eyed and silent, so scared 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.200 to breathe. Because I was such a fan of country music. 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:12.920 So it was so cool to inter where you are 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:14.959 and now I'm getting to that's amazing. So you were 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:17.879 there with John's Arling and where were you Capital or 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:21.840 Capital Capital? Okay because Mercury. John's Arling was an intern there. 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:26.640 It was Jimmy Harnan was there and Steve um My, gosh, 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:30.600 I'm forgetting his name. He did. I know everybody. That's terrible. 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:32.159 I know. You know when you have a baby, a 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:34.880 lot of your memories they get all fuzzy and I'm 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:38.120 just like that and head lights, Yeah I do too, 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:40.040 would you and you don't even have any kids? Wait 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:45.040 till that happens, Lord bless me. Yeah. Probably leave him 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:48.840 at the Kroger accident. Oh gosh, leave him in the 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:53.200 diaper aisle. Where to leave them? My baby? Um that's amazing. 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:55.840 So yeah, that was I guess that was kind of 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:58.720 the Atlantas and Somebody's hero days. Was that when you 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:03.520 were there, Somebody's here. That song was so great. Thank you. 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.560 I feel like you have message songs. I did well. 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:08.840 I do try to think about that. I mean, I 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:11.960 do like to really write story songs. I love writing 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:14.680 because then you can go anywhere. If you're saying I 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:17.439 I I all the time, and you want to project 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:20.119 a certain image. But when you do the story songs 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:21.920 like say, Carrie Ona, what does you can go anywhere? 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:24.479 You can kill somebody, I mean you can, you can 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:26.679 drink yourself blind, you can beat someone up, and you 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:30.320 do all those things if you're saying exactly, but you 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:33.359 can't if your I you really have to be honest 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:36.600 about who you are. You know, because I remember now 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:39.280 I write all kinds of songs. I mean, especially with 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:42.159 these younger artists, I find myself writing more like friendship songs, 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:45.119