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Speaker 2: It was the Eagles, and it was all Eagles all
Speaker 2: the time last night with the blowout forty to twenty two,
Speaker 2: and even the twenty two is foe. It's really they
Speaker 2: could have named the score if they wanted to. They
Speaker 2: took out some of their starters and it was probably
Speaker 2: more indicative of a forty to six type game than
Speaker 2: forty to twenty two. A couple of touchdown passes from
Speaker 2: Mahomes there at the end of the game and mop
Speaker 2: up duty there, but the numbers are really overwhelming for
Speaker 2: the Eagles and how they dominated. And if you don't
Speaker 2: have to blitz Patrick Mahomes and you're going to put
Speaker 2: that kind of pressure on him. I've said many times
Speaker 2: you can have an average line and that results into
Speaker 2: an average performance by your quarterback. And you saw that
Speaker 2: last night. Mahomes was under pressure they I think the
Speaker 2: numbers were close to forty three percent of the time
Speaker 2: that they were pressuring him last night. A couple of
Speaker 2: intercepts there at the end of the first half, which
Speaker 2: I really think changed the game because I thought maybe
Speaker 2: if you get a touchdown, you get the ball back
Speaker 2: to start the second half. But it didn't matter that
Speaker 2: Eagles defense. The defensive line, and I've said this many times,
Speaker 2: you still win with defense. And you saw that last night.
Speaker 2: And you can go back to the Tampa Super Bowl
Speaker 2: against Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs, that was all about
Speaker 2: the defensive line. You put pressure on him, you put
Speaker 2: pressure on Montana Brady. I don't care who it is,
Speaker 2: they'll crumble. And you saw that last night. Jalen Hurts
Speaker 2: was wonderful. It's weird when somebody says, hey, you don't
Speaker 2: give Jalen Hurts enough credit. But Kansas City was going
Speaker 2: to force Jalen Hurts to beat them, which is weird.
Speaker 2: They weren't going to let Saquon Barkley beat them. They
Speaker 2: did a really good job, but they were saying to
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts, go ahead, and he did so.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, if you're going to hand out an MVP,
Speaker 2: that's one of those where it's really the defense. But
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts, did you know, we'd like to give it
Speaker 2: to the quarterback. It's really easy. Hey, the quarterback is
Speaker 2: the MVP. You know, give it to a defensive lineman,
Speaker 2: Cooper Dejon Degene. We keep saying, Marvin goes it should
Speaker 2: be dejen Now. I don't know if we can change that,
Speaker 2: but you know we can start a campaign here, yes.
Speaker 4: Mar after last night, it should be with an apostrophe.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, d e apostrophe j E A n Hey.
Speaker 4: That's a big play by him on his birthday. Scores
Speaker 4: a touchdown and then Malmes throws so back to back passes.
Speaker 4: He gets picked off and you know, it's seventeen nothing.
Speaker 4: Maybe they go down it's seventeen seven. Maybe a little momentum,
Speaker 4: but you can't come out and go three out, two
Speaker 4: sacks after the you know, when you go into halftime,
Speaker 4: your halftime adjustments were what there weren't any halftime adjustments.
Speaker 4: I still didn't understand they didn't run the football at all. Now, granted,
Speaker 4: you know they don't have.
Speaker 2: A Saquon Barkley over there, but Isaiah Pacheco, when did
Speaker 2: you hear his name? Third quarter Kareem Hunt. I thought,
Speaker 2: maybe you do just a little bit like instead of
Speaker 2: trying to get something further downfield that maybe you have
Speaker 2: a run game, maybe you keep them how about three
Speaker 2: or four yards on the first play. It just felt
Speaker 2: like they kept trying to do the same thing. And
Speaker 2: the Eagles had a you know, a great game plan
Speaker 2: there offensively and defensively. But they were the best team
Speaker 2: that I saw. I think I said that after Week
Speaker 2: ten they're the best team in football, and it's because
Speaker 2: they're offensive and defensive lines. But Hurt wins the MVP.
Speaker 2: Mahomes had two interceptions, sacked six times. I think the
Speaker 2: goat conversation, maybe we'll hold off on that. We'll wait
Speaker 2: until next next season. How about that we just slow
Speaker 2: down the goat conversation, the three pete yes, Marvin.
Speaker 4: After this loss, we're gonna have to wait about it.
Speaker 4: Three super bowls to get him in this go conversation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to make it real now. Yeah, he doesn't do
Speaker 2: well when Tom Brady's involved in the Super Bowl. I
Speaker 2: think we can establish that trend when Tom was playing
Speaker 2: for Tampa or last night as well. Eight seven to
Speaker 2: seven three DP show operator Tyler sitting by. He'll take
Speaker 2: your phone calls. Email address DP at Danpatrick dot com,
Speaker 2: Twitter handle a DP show. I do have the odds
Speaker 2: to win the Super Bowl next season. Just got these
Speaker 2: from DraftKings. No surprise, the Eagles are the favorite. You know,
Speaker 2: that's a young team, and they got everybody under contract
Speaker 2: for the most part, so that should be you know,
Speaker 2: if you want to talk about the potential new dynasty,
Speaker 2: it's certainly the Philadelphia Eagles. They've done a wonderful job
Speaker 2: with that team, and they'll be ready to go. They'll
Speaker 2: be ready to go again next season. The Chiefs and
Speaker 2: the Bills and the Ravens are all tied for the
Speaker 2: second best odds here, and then you have the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 2: All right, Seaton Poll. Question for the first hour the
Speaker 2: program is going to be what.
Speaker 5: Well it could start with who had the best night?
Speaker 2: Who had the best night? Yeah, okay, Jalen Hurts a
Speaker 2: great night. Yeah he had a great night. Yes he
Speaker 2: did career night. You know, how about Vic Fangio. You know,
Speaker 2: he didn't get as much camera time because he's up
Speaker 2: in the booth, whereas Spags is always dialing something up.
Speaker 2: I don't think Vic Fangio got credit for dialing anything
Speaker 2: up last night. But here's the thing, he didn't need
Speaker 2: to dial anything up. I don't know if he dialed
Speaker 2: last night. They didn't blitz one time, which is astounding
Speaker 2: when you realize the pressure that they put on Patrick
Speaker 2: Mahomes Hey. You imagine he goes in and Nick Sirianni
Speaker 2: goes all right, hi, Vic, you know you're a lifer here.
Speaker 2: You're one of the great defensive coordinators of all the time. Like,
Speaker 2: what are you going to dial up? You know what,
Speaker 2: We're not going to do anything. Wait, what do you
Speaker 2: mean We're not gonna blitz? We don't need to what No,
Speaker 2: I'm not dialing anything up. All that Spags dial some
Speaker 2: stuff up. Yes, it's also more fun.
Speaker 6: To say spags or monk in or something like that.
Speaker 3: Vic fans, though it doesn't have the same ring to it,
Speaker 3: so he doesn't get the leve on the air.
Speaker 2: All right, what else do you have their seat and
Speaker 2: other candidates here? Yeah, Josh Sweat had a great night
Speaker 2: for himself. Yes he did. Yes, he did a couple
Speaker 2: of sacks, but two and half sacks. Yeah. And by
Speaker 2: the way, people are gonna say, well, Jalen Carter got
Speaker 2: shut down. He had two guys on him. The reason
Speaker 2: why the other guys did really well is because of
Speaker 2: Jalen Carter. Jalen Carter is like a sponge who just
Speaker 2: absorbs all the water of the offensive line and then
Speaker 2: the other guys get to do what they want to do.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is the second coming of Aaron Donald
Speaker 2: and you saw that last night. Hey, I'll take on two.
Speaker 2: You guys go have some fun. Who else is in
Speaker 2: their seating.
Speaker 7: Well, you mentioned him.
Speaker 2: Cooper de Jean had a great night, Yes he did.
Speaker 2: That's an awesome play.
Speaker 5: How about Tom Brady the quarterback? Yes, yes, Tom Brady
Speaker 5: the quarterback had a great night.
Speaker 2: Yes he did. Yes, And I wanted you know, Tom said, Hey,
Speaker 2: nobody's rooting for Patrick as much as I am or something.
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, no, that's not true, Tom, That's no way,
Speaker 2: no way, no, not going to do that. You know,
Speaker 2: there's part of you that's like, yeah, getting ruffed up
Speaker 2: there a little bit. At least I didn't get blown
Speaker 2: out when I lost to the Giants or when I
Speaker 2: lost to the Eagles. When I lose, it's always a
Speaker 2: close game. Patrick's lost twice and he's gotten blown out
Speaker 2: both of those games. There, So I would say Tom Brady,
Speaker 2: the legacy, the legend of Tom Brady, did really well
Speaker 2: last night. Maybe not the broadcaster, but certainly the football player.
Speaker 5: Well that could bring us to part two of the
Speaker 5: poll question, who had the worst night? Why don't we
Speaker 5: start with Tom Brady the broadcast.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I don't think.
Speaker 8: Wow, there are two different people last night. There's two
Speaker 8: different entities of Tom Brady last night. Yeah, and they
Speaker 8: had drastically different nights.
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean I've said what I've said about Tom.
Speaker 2: I think he'd be better in the studio than he
Speaker 2: is on a game. You know, it's solid, but we
Speaker 2: expect more than just solid. See, we can knock Tony
Speaker 2: Romo when he says I don't know, Jim, I think
Speaker 2: they're gonna and then it's wrong. But I feel like
Speaker 2: he's invested in the game. I feel like he is
Speaker 2: really looking at the game as if he was playing
Speaker 2: in the game. I don't Tom reacts. I want Tom
Speaker 2: to tell me beforehand. That's really what he needs to
Speaker 2: work on. You know, Collins work does this, Troy does this,
Speaker 2: Herbstreet like you got to get out in front of it.
Speaker 2: We see it. I mean, football fans are as knowledgeable
Speaker 2: as any group. We know it, we see it. Tell
Speaker 2: me before it happens there. Tom did have one moment
Speaker 2: with Jalen Hurts when Hurts had a signal for AJ Brown,
Speaker 2: like that was great. They're just not enough of those
Speaker 2: moments there, and I could see, you know, when they
Speaker 2: revamp that you know, Fox line up there with Jimmy
Speaker 2: and Terry, that you could put Tom in there. Probably
Speaker 2: he would be better suited in that than calling a game.
Speaker 2: But he's got to get aggressive. You got to be
Speaker 2: aggressive when you're being the color analyst and tell us
Speaker 2: things and being excited about it and not waiting to
Speaker 2: be set up by you know, your play by play guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah see, yeah, I.
Speaker 5: Kind of think that sometimes it's not so much that
Speaker 5: Tom Brady is so bad at it, but he makes
Speaker 5: other people look great who maybe he took for granted
Speaker 5: for a little bit, like Troy Eakman. I know, I
Speaker 5: definitely took him for granted. We're like, oh, yeah, he's
Speaker 5: just like the guy who does the games. But now
Speaker 5: I'm like, man, look how good Troy is.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 5: He really has the ability in seven seconds to give
Speaker 5: you something that Tom can spend twenty searching to find.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, yeah, but see these guys. He's not
Speaker 2: used to doing this, though, You've got to get used to.
Speaker 2: When he played, he waited for you to ask him
Speaker 2: a question, and even then he didn't try to give
Speaker 2: you anything when he was playing. Now you have to
Speaker 2: give me something and you have to be out in
Speaker 2: front of it and be aggressive. And you know, it's
Speaker 2: just an average performance by him. There was nothing special.
Speaker 2: The watch. He was wearing a six hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 2: I know that. So that was special. And you know
Speaker 2: he and Kevin they looked freshly cofed, and you know
Speaker 2: they were ready to go into battle.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 2: Who else are you putting on that list? There?
Speaker 5: Seton, let's see who had the worst night? While Patrick
Speaker 5: mahomes we've covered that. Yeah, well why don't we start
Speaker 5: stick with the broadcast for this one? The Fox graphics team.
Speaker 2: Paulli Paully spent a lot of time on the graphics.
Speaker 2: I think you know, as an old guy, I'm like,
Speaker 2: all right, I can read this. I was it was
Speaker 2: a little too.
Speaker 8: Big for the sight challenge, Yes, yes, okay, yes for
Speaker 8: over fifty you're going, Oh, I can see.
Speaker 2: I can read everything there. It's not too cluttered up there.
Speaker 2: It was just a it was just a little too large.
Speaker 2: That's all. Just a little too large there. What else
Speaker 2: do we have?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's weird because there was like less to it,
Speaker 5: but it took up more space somehow.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: And the other thing, it's very dangerous to unveil your
Speaker 8: graphics during the Super Bowl. You have a mass audience
Speaker 8: judging you, and most people don't like change whatsoever. Even
Speaker 8: I it was decent, but they felt like bloated and puffy,
Speaker 8: like they'd been stung by bees. The graphics and they
Speaker 8: took up a lot of space, even though that was
Speaker 8: not their goal.
Speaker 2: I don't think what else do you have seen?
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's also not something that they just sort
Speaker 5: of whipped up, like, yeah, I take five minutes, here's
Speaker 5: our new graphics thing. They took a very long time
Speaker 5: and went over generation after generation of this one bug
Speaker 5: that that took. It took a while to do that.
Speaker 5: Let's see.
Speaker 2: How about Joe Shane h the Giants GM. The Giants GM,
Speaker 2: who got rid of Sakhon.
Speaker 7: B too soon?
Speaker 2: Even though the chiefs did a great job in shutting
Speaker 2: him down. He did because they wanted. They said, if
Speaker 2: we're losing, it's going to be because Jalen Hurt speeches anybody.
Speaker 5: How about your buddy Nick Wright?
Speaker 7: Oh wow, holl is his night?
Speaker 6: Wow?
Speaker 2: I text him. I didn't hear back from him. Big
Speaker 2: Kan's City Chiefs fan came on said this could be
Speaker 2: the greatest team in history, greatest season in history. I
Speaker 2: think you got to lump them in with the seventy
Speaker 2: three win Golden State Warriors and the seven Patriots who
Speaker 2: lost in the Super Bowl. But yeah, Nick probably didn't
Speaker 2: have a good night last night. Who had the worst night?
Speaker 5: We could throw in Taylor Swift on there.
Speaker 2: People want her Tata did not have a good night,
Speaker 2: and uh they were booing, they were booing. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: How about Drake speaking of people who didn't have a
Speaker 5: good night. That wasn't great for him?
Speaker 2: Oh dear, imagine not even be there and having a
Speaker 2: bad night. I think he's in Australia right now. He
Speaker 2: had to go as far away as possible.
Speaker 5: I had to go to the exact opposite side of
Speaker 5: the world and still came out run.
Speaker 2: He gone to the moon. And then when Serena came out,
Speaker 2: and then Serena dated Drake and I'm like, God, Lee
Speaker 2: Kendrick Lamar has not taken prisoners here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's something about Serena Williams crip walking during the
Speaker 5: Super Bowl. Halftimes say, as a petty way to get
Speaker 5: back at some dude that Kendrick is beefing with Oh,
Speaker 5: just god. I don't know how many worlds are colliding there,
Speaker 5: but that is something.
Speaker 2: Dang.
Speaker 4: Yes, Marv Kendrick's a psychopath. Hey, Serena one of the
Speaker 4: most famous entertainers of any kind in the world.
Speaker 6: Hey, come on stage.
Speaker 2: You want to Drake? Hey eight seconds?
Speaker 6: Are you in?
Speaker 2: And she's like, yes, yeah, And.
Speaker 4: They're both from Compton by the way, too, so there's that.
Speaker 2: Also, do you do you want to get on stage
Speaker 2: in front of I don't know how ndred million people
Speaker 2: and get back at Drake. Sure, all right, this is
Speaker 2: what you need to do. Because when I saw it,
Speaker 2: I'm just like, that looks a lot like Serena, but
Speaker 2: that can't be Serena. And then it is Serena, And
Speaker 2: then I'm going, oh, that's right. She went out with Drake.
Speaker 7: Sounds like fun.
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Speaker 2: That's Cavino and Rich. Bill Kauer, Hall of Fame coach,
Speaker 2: super Bowl winning coach with the Steelers and now remember
Speaker 2: the NFL. Today on CBS coach. Great to see. If
Speaker 2: I would have said twenty four hours ago, how do
Speaker 2: you think this Super Bowl is going to play out?
Speaker 2: You would have said, what.
Speaker 3: The fourth quarter? Who has the ball last? Possibly? But
Speaker 3: clearly I did not play out that way. Total manhandling
Speaker 3: I think by the Philadelphia Eagle defense against that offensive
Speaker 3: line which has been a little bit of suspect this
Speaker 3: year with the Kansas City but Kansas front yesterday.
Speaker 2: Okay, but they don't even blitz one time in that game,
Speaker 2: which I just didn't understand. The first half adjustments or
Speaker 2: lack thereof, or at least the impression of they came
Speaker 2: out and they went three and out, and I thought,
Speaker 2: that doesn't seem like good, you know, first half or
Speaker 2: second half adjustments there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the biggest thing to me, Dan, they
Speaker 3: got away from running the football and you're going against
Speaker 3: a football team that number one, you know, I think
Speaker 3: the big the Cooper dejen interception for a touchdown. It's
Speaker 3: ten to nothing, You're still in this game. You try
Speaker 3: to get your footing trying to get a first down.
Speaker 3: You go sack sack, third and sixteen, and all of
Speaker 3: a sudden you get to pick us to pick six
Speaker 3: and again I think getting away and not even trying
Speaker 3: to run the football to kind of settle into the
Speaker 3: game and coming out throwing it when you obviously your
Speaker 3: offensive line which is not your strength. Again, you know,
Speaker 3: they've been able to get by with it. They made
Speaker 3: their adjustments late in the season and you know, and
Speaker 3: moving tuning out to left tackle. But this defense front
Speaker 3: the Milton Williams, Josh Sweat, Jalen Carter, they just manhandled
Speaker 3: the offensive line of the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 2: I'm with you. With running the ball, I thought, get
Speaker 2: three yards, get four yard, get something, because if they
Speaker 2: don't have to blitz, then I mean, what an advantage that.
Speaker 10: Well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think the biggest thing we've seen with
Speaker 3: this team in Kansas City is they are a very
Speaker 3: good second half team and you get the get ball
Speaker 3: at the game into the fourth quarter. However way you
Speaker 3: need to get there. You need to minimize the differences
Speaker 3: in the scoring and trying to shorten the game to
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter, keep it within a score because you
Speaker 3: have the best kicker, You got a quarterback that can
Speaker 3: make plays with his legs, and this STI like this
Speaker 3: game got away from him very early and they can
Speaker 3: never get anything going on offense, and then they started
Speaker 3: to press, and I think that you could see that happening,
Speaker 3: and a lot of credit goes to Philadelphia. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think the Kansas City defense did a very good
Speaker 3: job and taking care of Saquon. But the biggest thing
Speaker 3: I always talk about is the attempts. I mean, they
Speaker 3: never deviated from the rush even though he was getting stopped.
Speaker 3: There was a great lesson to be learned about that
Speaker 3: they still kept running the football and kept that defense
Speaker 3: kind of at check because they had to play the
Speaker 3: run first. And I think that was something that they
Speaker 3: can look in the mirror say maybe we should try
Speaker 3: to do the same thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what I'm thinking is they kept trying Saquon.
Speaker 2: Maybe there was going to be a home run in there.
Speaker 2: There was always the threat of he can hit a
Speaker 2: home run here, and they're sort of saying to Jalen Hurts,
Speaker 2: we want to see you beat us, and he certainly
Speaker 2: showed them.
Speaker 3: And I think that was what Spags wanted to do.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think they were going to take away
Speaker 3: Saque make Jalen beat him. But I think Jalen beat
Speaker 3: them as much with his legs they with talk, you know.
Speaker 3: I think that's the biggest thing too, when there wasn't
Speaker 3: the brushure and it wasn't the blitz and the four
Speaker 3: man rush. And that's the thing to me, Dan, when
Speaker 3: you look at this team in Philadelphia, they really don't
Speaker 3: have a weakness. And I think when you look at
Speaker 3: the football teams around the National FOOTB League, the offensive line,
Speaker 3: the defensive line, you have to build yourself there. And
Speaker 3: I've always said your strengths get you into the playoffs
Speaker 3: and your weakness is well is eliminates you. And I
Speaker 3: think that played true really for this Kansas City Chief
Speaker 3: football team. And a lot of strength to that offensive
Speaker 3: side with what they've been able to do with the quarterback. Defensively,
Speaker 3: I think they showed up again yesterday. But the one
Speaker 3: weakness that they probably had and they kept trying to
Speaker 3: toil with it all year, it was that offensive line,
Speaker 3: and they got exposed yesterday.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I look, the Eagles are set up here for the
Speaker 2: next couple of years. Like when you would talk about
Speaker 2: maybe a new dynasty Philadelphia.
Speaker 3: I mean give Howard Rosemand a lot of credit. Now
Speaker 3: they got three big key three agents you're talking about
Speaker 3: Josh sweat, Milton Williams and Zach Bond. These are three
Speaker 3: key cogs on that defensive side of the bone. But
Speaker 3: you know, you're talking about an offensive line that's still
Speaker 3: going to be intact. You're talking about sa Quand who's
Speaker 3: still there. Two receivers are coming back, Jalen hurts to me,
Speaker 3: and I think you go back to also going into
Speaker 3: this game, we kept hearing about the three Peak, we
Speaker 3: kept tearing about Steve Spagnola, but really the best defense
Speaker 3: in the league has been the Philadelphi Eagles and Nick Fangio,
Speaker 3: and so it's a little bit of kind of a
Speaker 3: disrespect card. I would think that was being played there,
Speaker 3: and I can understand it as well, and I can
Speaker 3: understand why we're all kind of excited about seeing history
Speaker 3: being made. But I think that also didn't play into
Speaker 3: the hands of the Kansas City Chiefs. I think for
Speaker 3: the philadelph Eagles, under the radar, underdog went into this game,
Speaker 3: played exactly the way they wanted to play it, and
Speaker 3: I think they used that to their to their benefit.
Speaker 2: He's Bill Kauer Hall of Fame coach, super Bowl winning
Speaker 2: coach with the Steelers. He works on the NFL today
Speaker 2: on CBS. The MVP last night, in your opinion, was
Speaker 2: who the defense?
Speaker 3: The defensive line of the Philadelphi Eagles. And I can
Speaker 3: sit there and say it was going to be Josh Sweat,
Speaker 3: but I look at Milton Williams, and then you can't
Speaker 3: take away from Jalen Carter because Jalen Carter is a guy,
Speaker 3: and he disrupts a lot and creates a lot of
Speaker 3: those opportunities for the other guys. So I to me,
Speaker 3: it's the collective effort of a defensive line when you
Speaker 3: can do a four man rush and get that kind
Speaker 3: of pressure and not have to blitz, and you can
Speaker 3: tip back their and courage and make them throw the
Speaker 3: ball underneath and play that zone. And those guys are
Speaker 3: great cut they're good tacklers in the secondary. To me, clearly,
Speaker 3: it was a defensive line of the field out Beagles.
Speaker 2: Don't you wish we could give the MVP to a
Speaker 2: unit like when Brady and the Patriots lost to the Giants,
Speaker 2: that front four dominated. There's been moments where, you know,
Speaker 2: the offensive line with the Broncos. When the Broncos beat
Speaker 2: the Green Bay Packers, that offensive line was unbelievable.
Speaker 7: I just wish we.
Speaker 2: Would go with a group instead of an individual sometime, and.
Speaker 3: I think it's got to be. The group's got to be. Actually,
Speaker 3: I think the individuals come with the skill positions. Because
Speaker 3: there's a certain skill position, whether it's a running back
Speaker 3: or receiver or a quarterback, they can have an outstanding game. Listen,
Speaker 3: I'm not taking away from Jalen Hurts because I think
Speaker 3: his decision making and he's been an integral part of
Speaker 3: that that football team all year long. Well, you talk
Speaker 3: about the two lines, they have to work and sync,
Speaker 3: particularly offensive line, they have to work together. This is
Speaker 3: the best offensive line of football. And we're talking about
Speaker 3: the Phildelph Eagles. So did they get stopped Yesterday's sake
Speaker 3: one to get it.
Speaker 6: They did.
Speaker 3: But did Jalen Hurts have time to throw the football? Yes?
Speaker 3: Was he able to scramble?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 3: Was he sacked?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Maybe one time, maybe hit a couple other times, but
Speaker 3: he had time. It feels comfortable back there, and he
Speaker 3: had defensive line. Like you said, I agree, two lines
Speaker 3: to me are units. The skill positions, positions are people.
Speaker 3: But to me, those are the units. And right now,
Speaker 3: I ain't no one has a better duel of lines
Speaker 3: than the Philadelphi Eagles, like you said, set up maybe
Speaker 3: for years to come again, a couple of key free
Speaker 3: agents going up there with Joss W. Milton Williams and
Speaker 3: Zach Bond on the defensive side.
Speaker 2: The push, tush, tush push whatever.
Speaker 3: Brother brotherly push.
Speaker 2: Yeah, brotherly shove. We we saw it on display last
Speaker 2: night with the touchdown. But I wonder, I'm I'm fine
Speaker 2: with it if I'm lining up and I'm going to
Speaker 2: do it and nobody else can do it this way.
Speaker 2: If Buffalo could do it this way, Buffalo would have
Speaker 2: been in the super Bowl probably. So I can tell
Speaker 2: by the grimacing of your face that you're not big
Speaker 2: on the shove here.
Speaker 6: I'm not.
Speaker 3: It's not a football play. It's it's rugby. They called
Speaker 3: a scrum. I mean that's that's what it is, Dan,
Speaker 3: It's called the way it is.
Speaker 7: It's a scrum.
Speaker 3: I mean you're pushing people and pushing them over. I mean, listen,
Speaker 3: if it's just a quarterback sneak, I get it. But
Speaker 3: it becomes like a pushing in the back and it's
Speaker 3: a scrum, and I don't know, it's not a strategical
Speaker 3: play in my opinion, so.
Speaker 2: Okay, how do you get rid of it? Though? If
Speaker 2: I don't allow somebody to push the quarterback from behind,
Speaker 2: would you be okay with that? It's just a quarterback sneak.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I do. I do. I'm fine with that.
Speaker 3: I when you start pushing and putting a guy in
Speaker 3: the middle, and I think that there's going to be
Speaker 3: I think it's a safety element to this at some point,
Speaker 3: I would have to think, because when you have six
Speaker 3: hundred pounds pushing on one person who's trying to stay
Speaker 3: in there to three hundred pounds, that just seems like
Speaker 3: it's a safety issue. But I yeah, if you can't.
Speaker 3: When we start a while pushing the guy forward, and
Speaker 3: I like, you know these late flags, all of a sudden
Speaker 3: we're pushing a guy eight to ten yards. That was
Speaker 3: never the case before you stop the play. I mean,
Speaker 3: the play's over. You gotta get stop. He stopped. The
Speaker 3: game of football is more strategic. It's you know, that's rugby.
Speaker 3: I love nothing against rugby, but if you want to
Speaker 3: get a scrum, you want to see a scrum, go
Speaker 3: to a rugby rugby match.
Speaker 2: Tom Brady's still the Goats, Joe Montana still second on
Speaker 2: that list in your opinion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think so. I mean I think
Speaker 3: that you can't say not. But listen, I think I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna take anything away from but Patrick Mahomes. What
Speaker 3: he's done in his career, where he's at right now
Speaker 3: under thirty and the number of Super Bowls he's been
Speaker 3: to every year he's been there, this is pretty impressive.
Speaker 3: You know, again, I'm not going to sit there and
Speaker 3: take one game and tarnish what he's done. And I
Speaker 3: think what he's done, he's carried that football team and
Speaker 3: there's been a lot of change that they had gone
Speaker 3: through for Andy Reid and that football team continue to
Speaker 3: get back to there. And even there was the injuries
Speaker 3: they had this year, and you're talking about Rishard Rice
Speaker 3: even being there the whole year, bringing in receivers. D
Speaker 3: Hawp comes in late in the season. You know, Kareem
Speaker 3: Hunt gets going to win, Cheko goes down, so and
Speaker 3: then you know, I'm trying to make the moves they
Speaker 3: did on the offensive line. So you know, you think
Speaker 3: about defensively, Chris Jones and yet that spag what he
Speaker 3: does with that defensive front and the different looks that
Speaker 3: he provides it's a well coached team. Patrick mahons, with
Speaker 3: no question in the fourth quarter as good as any
Speaker 3: quarterback in the National Football League proves that year and
Speaker 3: year out. So you know, I'm not gonna take anything
Speaker 3: away from him. I mean, I still would put him
Speaker 3: up there with Brady.
Speaker 2: What do you think the Chiefs do in the off season?
Speaker 3: Uh, you know, I think they they want to get healthy.
Speaker 3: I think again, they're going to still be the team
Speaker 3: to be. I think they have to address their offensive line.
Speaker 3: I think getting I think moving Tuney back inside with
Speaker 3: Trey Smith and and create a Humphrey that they had
Speaker 3: a dynamic treatam in the mid middle, and I think
Speaker 3: there was a comfort level that Patrick Mahomes had. They
Speaker 3: can take care of the edges. I think they need
Speaker 3: to get a left tackle that they can count on
Speaker 3: and on the edges. Is that Other than that, boy,
Speaker 3: I think they're gonna get They get some receivers coming back.
Speaker 3: I think they got their death. They're running back. Defensively,
Speaker 3: They're going to be fine. I'm not sure exactly where
Speaker 3: they stand a pre agency, but listen, this is a
Speaker 3: well coached team. They got some great coaches and they
Speaker 3: just did not play the best football game. I don't
Speaker 3: think they called their best football game coaching wise, on
Speaker 3: the offensive side of the ball. I guess he just
Speaker 3: talked about earlier. I think they gave themselves a chance,
Speaker 3: but they were just man handled by a better football team.
Speaker 3: The best football team of football won the Super Bowl
Speaker 3: this year. That was a Philadelphi Eagles. There's not a
Speaker 3: weakness they had. If it was that weakness might have
Speaker 3: been Jake Elliott. And he was knowing his things from
Speaker 3: fifty two yards yesterday, so he got things straightened out.
Speaker 3: And again, I mean, they're made a team to beat.
Speaker 2: To me moving forward, do you think Aaron Rodgers plays again?
Speaker 6: I do.
Speaker 3: I think he wants to play. I think there's a
Speaker 3: there's gonna be a place for him somewhere I can.
Speaker 3: I mean, but you know, Aaron's like he's gonna go
Speaker 3: to his dark place. He's gonna come out. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, you ever know where Aaron's
Speaker 3: coming from. But I think if he puts his mind
Speaker 3: to it, I think he can still throw it. I
Speaker 3: think that you know, he can still move around again.
Speaker 3: It's going to be the right place for him in
Speaker 3: the right situation. I just don't think he's going to
Speaker 3: want to get run out like he feels like he
Speaker 3: got run out of this year for New York Jets.
Speaker 3: I just don't think he wants to go out on
Speaker 3: that note. So I'm going to say somewhere he's going
Speaker 3: to land.
Speaker 2: Could he play in Pittsburgh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't know where they are right
Speaker 3: now in terms of their quarterback situation with Russell and
Speaker 3: Justin and Aaron. I think the decision has to be made,
Speaker 3: you know, what's the future plan and what is the
Speaker 3: plan in the interim. I think there's going to be
Speaker 3: also a sense of urgency and taking you know, some
Speaker 3: guys in the back end of their careers TJ. Watt
Speaker 3: Camp Heyward. You know, they they they're in the latter
Speaker 3: stages of their careers. They want to win now and
Speaker 3: that's a big part of what they want to do.
Speaker 3: But you also got to have a plan moving forward
Speaker 3: and at that position. So I think they'll be dialogue there.
Speaker 3: But those were conversations taking place in that building.
Speaker 2: Coach a great off season. Hopefully it's quiet for you travel.
Speaker 2: Have you got plans? No?
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll hang around here I'll just watching you
Speaker 3: and see what you transition into basketball. Hey, listen, there's
Speaker 3: nothing like March madness. I really do love this time
Speaker 3: of year because March Madness is starting starting to it's
Speaker 3: starting to come around the corner here. So it's the
Speaker 3: best tournament going love basketball, and I look forward to that.
Speaker 2: So and your daughter's played, didn't they?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: They played. They all played. Two played Princeton, one played
Speaker 3: a whopper. They all played college basketball. And I mean,
Speaker 3: a women's game has never been better. To be honest
Speaker 3: with you, it's at the skill level is unbelievable.
Speaker 2: How are you as a parent watching his daughters play basketball?
Speaker 3: Well, my late wife we used to go watch and play.
Speaker 3: She says, don't say anything about their technique. All I
Speaker 3: could talk about was their effort. So I was I
Speaker 3: was only allowed to judge effort and defensive if their
Speaker 3: defensive like mentality, so I said, just keep moving your feet,
Speaker 3: stay in front, But anything to do with the shot
Speaker 3: or anything to do with offense, I was not allowed
Speaker 3: to make any kind of comments whatsoever.
Speaker 2: Thank you, coach. We appreciate all time you spent with
Speaker 2: us this year.
Speaker 3: And I love love your front desk too.
Speaker 2: Thanks Dan, Thank you, buddy. That's Bill Cower, Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 2: Devin mccordy, NBC Football Night in America analyst, three time
Speaker 2: Super Bowl champ with the Patriots. He was doing pregame
Speaker 2: halftime postgame last night for Westwood One. When did you
Speaker 2: realize this probably wasn't going to go as scripted for
Speaker 2: the Chiefs?
Speaker 11: For me, it was over with Zach Ball got that
Speaker 11: interception right before the half. There was a chance you
Speaker 11: climbed back in the game. It would have been a
Speaker 11: hard task. But once he got that interception right before
Speaker 11: the half, I thought.
Speaker 6: That ruined it.
Speaker 11: The Chiefs were going to have a chance to go
Speaker 11: there score and then get the ball after halftime and.
Speaker 6: Try to go score again.
Speaker 11: That could have changed the game, But I thought that
Speaker 11: interception kind of sealed it.
Speaker 2: Help me understand this, former defensive back. Let's say you
Speaker 2: were getting ready for the Super Bowl and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, your defensive coordinator says, we're not blitzing at
Speaker 2: all tonight. Now, I don't know if that was the
Speaker 2: decision pre game, but they weren't going to blitz Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2: They had that much confidence. I mean, it sounds crazy, though,
Speaker 2: but they didn't need to blitz him.
Speaker 11: Why for me it doesn't sound great because we played
Speaker 11: in Super Bowl fifty three where that year, playing against
Speaker 11: the Rams, we were a heavy man to man blitzing,
Speaker 11: and we came in and they were like, Hey, not
Speaker 11: only are we not going to blitz a lot, we're
Speaker 11: not even going to play that much man and man
Speaker 11: off first a second down. We're going to give them
Speaker 11: a totally different game plan and if we execute it,
Speaker 11: they're going to struggle with it.
Speaker 6: And that's what we did.
Speaker 11: Now. I think Philly might have thought about throwing it,
Speaker 11: but once the game started and they saw what they
Speaker 11: were doing up front, it was like, why would we
Speaker 11: even think about calling a blitz. They can't handle anything
Speaker 11: we're doing with just our rotational four man rush.
Speaker 2: What should they have done?
Speaker 11: I thought Kansas City at some point they didn't run
Speaker 11: the ball early in the game, and I know it
Speaker 11: was tough, but Saquon didn't run the ball particularly well,
Speaker 11: but they kept running it, and then I thought you
Speaker 11: had to get to your quick passing game, and they
Speaker 11: never did that.
Speaker 6: They did a little bit of it.
Speaker 11: In the second half where they threw some passes, you know,
Speaker 11: very quick and trying to break a tackle.
Speaker 6: Philadelphia did do a good job tackling after the catch.
Speaker 11: But I thought that was the biggest issue with Mahomes
Speaker 11: and the Chiefs, that there was no adjustment, Like you
Speaker 11: can't sit back there in the pocket and do what
Speaker 11: you normally do, holding the ball, moving up, finding exits
Speaker 11: and then going making places. They took that away and
Speaker 11: they just kept doing the same thing getting stopped.
Speaker 6: I thought they never truly tried to adjust.
Speaker 2: Now. I know Mahomes is going to get a lot
Speaker 2: of criticism. Really it's the offensive line, and I don't
Speaker 2: think Andy Reid had a good game last night when
Speaker 2: you think about adjustments. As much credit as we want
Speaker 2: to give Andy, and he's one of the great coaches
Speaker 2: of all time, we got to be fair in just distributing,
Speaker 2: you know, criticism. The line not good. Mahomes as a
Speaker 2: result was not good game plan, not good. That's what
Speaker 2: surprised me more than anything. I thought when they came
Speaker 2: out halftime, and I agree with you, I thought it
Speaker 2: they'll score touchdown will be seventeen to seven GW into halftime,
Speaker 2: come out and make adjustments. You get the ball first.
Speaker 2: Now we got ourselves a game, and it never happened.
Speaker 2: That's that's what surprised me the most, exactly.
Speaker 6: And it was across the board, even on defense.
Speaker 11: And I know they did a good job of Saquon Barkley,
Speaker 11: but it also is like, well, the game has kind
Speaker 11: of defined itself that just stopping Saquon Barkley's not going
Speaker 11: to change the outcome of his game.
Speaker 6: And still it didn't seem like they.
Speaker 11: Ever try to confuse Jella Hurst give him something different.
Speaker 11: They did a good job with you know, Devonte Smith,
Speaker 11: a ton of motion in early in the play to
Speaker 11: see if it was man ors all, put him into
Speaker 11: the short side of the field. Just a lot of
Speaker 11: different things Philly did that I never thought Kansas City
Speaker 11: did on offense or defense, to try how to make
Speaker 11: it harder, to give him something new to deal with.
Speaker 11: It was almost like it was almost like they thought
Speaker 11: the same way we thought the way the game was going, like, hey,
Speaker 11: this is just not our year, this is not the
Speaker 11: game for us tonight.
Speaker 2: And also it felt like this whole week in New
Speaker 2: Orleans that there were a lot of analysts who were
Speaker 2: ready to get Mahomes at least right there with Tom,
Speaker 2: or to label him the greatest of all time because
Speaker 2: he was going to repeat Tom's legacy is probably still
Speaker 2: pretty good right now, would you say?
Speaker 11: I would say, and I know it's fresh in our
Speaker 11: minds right now, But to lose the way that they did,
Speaker 11: and for that to be the second time on the
Speaker 11: Super Bowl scene, a huge game, to go out there
Speaker 11: and really just get destroyed, I just don't think it
Speaker 11: was a good look. And we can't take away. Look,
Speaker 11: they went back to the Super Bowl three years in
Speaker 11: a row. Tom was able to do that too. He
Speaker 11: won two of them. They won two of them, so
Speaker 11: it's still something for them. But the way they lost, why,
Speaker 11: it's like fresh in our minds. We just don't see
Speaker 11: the Brady and the Patriots team. They never lost that way.
Speaker 11: They might not have got there, which I think that
Speaker 11: you could argue about that, but once they got there.
Speaker 11: You just never saw a game where you know, midway
Speaker 11: through the first quarter, second quarter of the game, we're like, well,
Speaker 11: this one's just gone.
Speaker 6: At some point. They always were able to rally.
Speaker 2: He's Devin mccordy won three Super Bowls with the Patriots.
Speaker 2: He works for NBC Football Night in America. I did
Speaker 2: think about this last night, and I haven't thought about
Speaker 2: this in a long time. Might have been the first
Speaker 2: time I thought of they really missed Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 11: Yes, there's no doubt because and you know, you could
Speaker 11: throw in Roschie Rice that we kept saying, you know,
Speaker 11: on this Kansas City team, there's a lot of holes.
Speaker 6: I don't really like this. I don't really And it
Speaker 6: was like they would play the game and you would
Speaker 6: be like, somehow they make it a game, somehow they
Speaker 6: figure out how to go. And Philadelphia was the.
Speaker 11: First team to say, you don't have receivers that can
Speaker 11: get open fast on us, you don't have the offensive
Speaker 11: line that can stop us, We're gonna go exploit and
Speaker 11: destroy it.
Speaker 6: And that's what they did. But Kansas City's credit.
Speaker 11: Is they were outmanned in a lot of games this
Speaker 11: year and it never really showed up because of, like
Speaker 11: you said, the good game planning by Spagnola and Andy
Speaker 11: Reid today last night was simply, we have better players
Speaker 11: than you, and we're gonna show that for four quarters.
Speaker 2: How should we look at Jalen Hurts if we do
Speaker 2: look at him differently after last night.
Speaker 11: For me personally, I still would put him behind those
Speaker 11: top four guys in Mahomes, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, and
Speaker 11: Lamar Jackson. But we often also recognize this. Two times
Speaker 11: Jalen Hurst has been on this stage in the Super Bowl,
Speaker 11: he's been spectacular and outplayed Patrick Mahomes, the guy of
Speaker 11: this error who we say is the goat every single
Speaker 11: time the two times that he's outplayed him. So a
Speaker 11: ton of credit has to go to Jaalen Hurst. He
Speaker 11: has to be a guy that needs to be mentioned
Speaker 11: year in and year out. He's going to be in
Speaker 11: this game or have a shot to be in this
Speaker 11: game because he's proven that with this team, and if.
Speaker 6: He gets there, he's going to be a hard out
Speaker 6: for whoever has to play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna be here. I mean they're If you're
Speaker 2: an NFC team, you're probably going damn. They're going to
Speaker 2: be great. Should be great for a couple of years now.
Speaker 2: Now these windows close, just as the forty nine ers,
Speaker 2: it closes quickly here, but they're set up. They're set
Speaker 2: up for success for another couple of years. It feels like.
Speaker 11: Next Sirianne felt it. You know, he got up there
Speaker 11: after the game and he said, Hey, Kellen, let's run
Speaker 11: this black and like that was the message of I
Speaker 11: know your name is being mentioned, and I know it
Speaker 11: looks like because this has gone off for so long,
Speaker 11: you're heading to New Orleans. But after being in that environment,
Speaker 11: he's like, what are you thinking right now? Let's run
Speaker 11: this back, Let's do this again next year. Everything they're
Speaker 11: saying about the Chiefs that could be us in the
Speaker 11: next four to five years because they have that kind
Speaker 11: of talent and a lot of young players. But you
Speaker 11: also got to figure out your cap as you keep winning,
Speaker 11: Guys getting new opportunities, guys want to leave, coach want
Speaker 11: to leave, so to have to figure that out if
Speaker 11: they want to be back in these games.
Speaker 2: Did you see Coach Belichick in New Orleans?
Speaker 6: I didn't get a chance to see him.
Speaker 11: I saw his guy Burrs from New ENGLANDUS to see
Speaker 11: all the time back in Newing, but I didn't get
Speaker 11: a chance to run into him there.
Speaker 2: He had all of his rings on, like who is
Speaker 2: this Bill Belichick?
Speaker 11: Now, sometimes you got to step out and remind people
Speaker 11: who you are.
Speaker 6: Put all the rings on, hit the red carpet, do
Speaker 6: your thing. That's what That's what coach had to do.
Speaker 2: Hey, thanks again for joining us all season long. We
Speaker 2: appreciate your time.
Speaker 7: No problem.
Speaker 6: Man, good to see, Thank you.
Speaker 2: Devin, Devin mccordy.
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Speaker 2: W app Lewis Riddick of the Mothership College Football, NFL
Speaker 2: analyst and former front office exec with the Washington and
Speaker 2: Philadelphia You don't get a Super Bowl ring though this
Speaker 2: time around, right with the Eagles. They don't give it
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 10: No, I'm good, but I'll tell you what they earned
Speaker 10: one last night, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: When did you know that this like the tempo of
Speaker 2: the game or the style of the game, that's the
Speaker 2: way it was going to be through the entirety of it.
Speaker 10: He got the feeling early on Dan that that Patrick
Speaker 10: wasn't quite on it. He didn't have his best stuff
Speaker 10: on the first series when he missed he missed Travis
Speaker 10: on a little zone route coming over the middle where
Speaker 10: he had found the zone board, and he kind of
Speaker 10: missed him through the ball behind him.
Speaker 7: You were like, Okay, he doesn't.
Speaker 10: Look like he's quite in sync, but you know, there's
Speaker 10: a lot of game left to go. And then I
Speaker 10: think in the second quarter when it was on the
Speaker 10: back to back interceptions on the pick six by Cooper
Speaker 10: de Gene and then on the Nick Mike Zach, that's
Speaker 10: when you knew that the pressure was really something that
Speaker 10: was bothering Patrick a lot.
Speaker 7: And Joe Toney didn't have it.
Speaker 2: They they they.
Speaker 10: Really had a very very very detail the plant as
Speaker 10: far as how they wanted to rust Patrick, and it
Speaker 10: was all about outside pressure, constricting the pocket, the two
Speaker 10: interior defensive tackles making sure you just push the pocket
Speaker 10: with power and don't give him an area to step up.
Speaker 10: And they were constricting that pocket so fast you could
Speaker 10: clearly see that when Patrick typically would step up and
Speaker 10: find the lane to throw the football like he's done
Speaker 10: all year long, his eyes had to be down the.
Speaker 7: Field and he would know where all five eligibles were.
Speaker 10: When he stepped up in this pocket, his eyes were
Speaker 10: looking at Worth's jail and Carter Worth Milton Williams. I'm
Speaker 10: not really worried about who's downfield. I'm worried about trying
Speaker 10: to survive this thing. But I think those back to
Speaker 10: back interceptions, that's when you know the game was over
Speaker 10: at that point right there.
Speaker 2: Okay, but where is the genius of Andy Reid here?
Speaker 2: You know, I know Mahomes will get a lot of
Speaker 2: blame here. They didn't do anything really different to counteract
Speaker 2: a defense that wasn't even blitzing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think the problem was this.
Speaker 1: One.
Speaker 10: They didn't try to run the football against the team
Speaker 10: that wasn't really loading the box and was inviting you
Speaker 10: to run simply because they felt as though the fact
Speaker 10: that they don't puts a lot and they were gonna
Speaker 10: rush forward, that they would have five maybe six in protection,
Speaker 10: that they would be able to handle it.
Speaker 7: And they never really.
Speaker 10: Got off of that, despite the fact that their offensive
Speaker 10: line was shown we're not handling it. And they thought
Speaker 10: that Patrick would be the equalizer like he has been
Speaker 10: all season long, that he would be able to manage
Speaker 10: the pressure because he's so good in the pocket.
Speaker 7: But this was at a different speed. This is at
Speaker 7: a different tempo.
Speaker 10: And you know what, sometimes even great players like Patrick
Speaker 10: Mahomes are just don't have their best stuff then and
Speaker 10: he didn't have it.
Speaker 7: He just didn't. The defense hung in there, they hung
Speaker 7: in there, they hung in there.
Speaker 10: They obviously made a concerted effort to make sure Saquan
Speaker 10: didn't get going. And they said, Jalen Hurts, you're gonna
Speaker 10: have to beat us, and Jalen Hurts said, perfect, I'll
Speaker 10: beat you then and see and then what would wind
Speaker 10: up happening is I just think the whole team got
Speaker 10: fatigued mentally and physically, and so to the point where
Speaker 10: it was like the offense knew that we can't block
Speaker 10: these guys, and the defense was like, the offense can't
Speaker 10: move the ball. We're doing everything we can to shut
Speaker 10: down one of the best players in the league, but
Speaker 10: now we can't really rush the passer because we're in
Speaker 10: runstop mode, and it just all fed on itself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of It's like when a pitcher doesn't
Speaker 2: have his best stuff, but he still goes out there
Speaker 2: and he's trying to fool you a little bit, trying
Speaker 2: to trick you a little bit, and then after a
Speaker 2: while they weren't fooling anybody. The fact that like I
Speaker 2: can't even give Vic Fangio credit because he didn't. He
Speaker 2: didn't do anything other than say to his guys, let's
Speaker 2: don't do anything.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Remember remember when Seattle beat Denver like that, when Denver
Speaker 10: was hadably favorite and gave out the Super Bowl that
Speaker 10: was up in New York. And you hear quarterbacks talk
Speaker 10: a lot about the fact that sometimes they get tricked
Speaker 10: in the feelings. Oh, you know what, this game is
Speaker 10: not going to be that tough because these teams aren't
Speaker 10: very difficult and Seattle wasn't very difficult to figure out
Speaker 10: from a schematic standpoint. But when you start playing, I mean,
Speaker 10: you realize that it may be simplistic in terms of
Speaker 10: its structure, but the speed and the ferocity with which
Speaker 10: they play it overwhelms you.
Speaker 7: Kansas City for the.
Speaker 10: First time since well, dang since maybe Patrick Mahomes became
Speaker 10: a starter in twenty eighteen, outside of the Super Bowl
Speaker 10: in twenty twenty when they lost to Tampa Bay, that's
Speaker 10: the first time I've really seen that team look overwhelmed,
Speaker 10: so where they looked like an inferior football team. Yeah,
Speaker 10: and that's what I mean. And Vic, you know what
Speaker 10: we were talking about old TV this morning. Vick was
Speaker 10: sitting up there in that box looking down at that field,
Speaker 10: going I don't need to send anymore. I don't need
Speaker 10: to do anything. I'm just gonna unlease my big dog
Speaker 10: and let them go. And you know what, when.
Speaker 7: It's like that, then sometimes football is just that simple.
Speaker 10: Bigger, faster, stronger guys who are more ticked off beat
Speaker 10: guys who aren't as big and as fast as from
Speaker 10: And that's what happened.
Speaker 2: Talking to Lewis Riddick of the Mothership, he was on
Speaker 2: the call with Chris Fowler Dan Orlovsky for the fans
Speaker 2: in Australia and New Zealand last night when it was
Speaker 2: seventeen to nothing and I thought, okay, Mahomes will get
Speaker 2: a touchdown, go into halftime, regroup, come back out, you
Speaker 2: get the ball second half, and then all of a
Speaker 2: sudden it doesn't happen that way. I thought, okay, what
Speaker 2: adjustments do you make at halftime? And I'm still waiting
Speaker 2: to see what adjustments were you going to make against
Speaker 2: the Etiens. I mean that to me, baffled at me
Speaker 2: more than anything I think last night.
Speaker 10: Yeah, they came out early in the second half of
Speaker 10: you remember, and they tried to run the ball. They
Speaker 10: got maybe five or six, and you're kind of thinking, Okay, well,
Speaker 10: maybe you'll try and mix it up a little bit.
Speaker 10: Maybe it won't be past past past, maybe they'll run
Speaker 10: it on first, maybe screen it on second, Maybe try
Speaker 10: and run play action on first, maybe screen it on
Speaker 10: first down. But they went right back to what they
Speaker 10: wanted to do, which they felt as though, and I
Speaker 10: look and I understand it.
Speaker 7: They felt as though they had enough cover, two cover,
Speaker 7: four beaters in terms.
Speaker 10: Of the routes that they had that if they could
Speaker 10: just get enough protection, Patrick would be able to find
Speaker 10: find a way to move the ball down in the
Speaker 10: field and score because he's done it to everyone. But
Speaker 10: the neutralize, the great neutralizer, the great equalizer was the
Speaker 10: fact that the four guys up front just would not
Speaker 10: allow it to happen.
Speaker 7: They just wouldn't.
Speaker 10: And you know, one of the things I always say
Speaker 10: in scouting, that has always been said to me is
Speaker 10: when you make two moves to fix one problem, it's
Speaker 10: usually gonna end bad.
Speaker 7: When there's a team that.
Speaker 10: Can really exploit the fact that you made two moves
Speaker 10: to fix one moving Joe Toney to left tackle and
Speaker 10: then inserting a backup and left guard. That's two moves
Speaker 10: to fix one that left tackle a premium position going up.
Speaker 7: Against a team like Philly. They're not gonna let you
Speaker 7: get away with that.
Speaker 2: They're just not.
Speaker 10: And then, you know, Teddy Bruski made a great point
Speaker 10: this morning, and I noticed it when it happened on
Speaker 10: the field, but Teddy articulating it perfectly. Remember when Milton
Speaker 10: Williams striped sacked Patrick and then you saw Jalen Carter
Speaker 10: basically just slap him right in the face. Yeah, and
Speaker 10: you well, number one, I was concerned that Patrick may
Speaker 10: have hurt his elbow because the way he got stripped,
Speaker 10: but it was a blatant hands to a face headshot
Speaker 10: from Jaialen Carter that to me said this team was
Speaker 10: ticked off. This team wanted to send a message, and
Speaker 10: the message they were gonna send was we're gonna literally
Speaker 10: beat you up because we're bigger, we're faster, and we're stronger.
Speaker 10: And that's something that Brett Feach is going to have
Speaker 10: to come to grips with. And I'm sure last night
Speaker 10: he was thinking, you know what, for as great as
Speaker 10: we've been, as many games as we've won, him, as
Speaker 10: great as Patrick is, the fact of the matter is
Speaker 10: We had a blind spot and maybe exposed last night,
Speaker 10: which is we have to have guys who Andy Reid
Speaker 10: doesn't have to be perfect, Patrick doesn't have to be perfect,
Speaker 10: Spags doesn't have to be perfect. We need more of
Speaker 10: that physical element that Philadelphia obviously has.
Speaker 7: And can rely on.
Speaker 2: We likened it to Mahomes. You know, he took a
Speaker 2: hit last night literally figuratively with his legacy. But it's
Speaker 2: like when Tyson got knocked out by Buster. Yeah, when
Speaker 2: Ronda Rousey got knocked out all of a sudden, that
Speaker 2: era of invincibility. Now we saw a little bit of
Speaker 2: that in the Tampa loss in the super Bowl, but
Speaker 2: this is one of those where, Hey, Mahomes, with the
Speaker 2: ball game on the line, you know that's who you want.
Speaker 2: That's too blowout Law in the super Bowl on his resume.
Speaker 2: How big of a hit do you think it that
Speaker 2: he took last night?
Speaker 10: Knowing Patrick, knowing the people who know Patrick like they do,
Speaker 10: I don't think. I don't think it'll be something where
Speaker 10: you know, like when you're talking about like a rounded
Speaker 10: Rowsey type situation where you know a fighter is on
Speaker 10: the decline or clearly they just don't have it anymore.
Speaker 7: Patrick still has it. But the cool the cool thing
Speaker 7: about this is that this is a.
Speaker 10: Team game, and clearly he can't get it done just
Speaker 10: all on his own.
Speaker 7: Twice.
Speaker 10: Now when he's gotten blown out in the Super Bowl
Speaker 10: and gott and beat up in the super Bowl, it'smen
Speaker 10: because dolphinsive line has.
Speaker 7: Just caved in. This caves are like unrelenting pressure.
Speaker 10: Think about Philadelphia last year, how they exited the playoffs
Speaker 10: and how you're looking at Jalen Hurts last year and
Speaker 10: you're sitting there going, this team's done.
Speaker 7: This team's not. They're not. They're not the powerhouse in Nancy.
Speaker 10: And in one year with the way in which they
Speaker 10: were able to fortify the offensive line, get sa Juon
Speaker 10: Barkley and a defense and change over the defensive side
Speaker 10: of the ball with Vic Fangio.
Speaker 7: Next thing you know, Jalen Carter's becoming absolute freak.
Speaker 10: And they get two rookies like Quinnon Mitchell and Cooper
Speaker 10: Disine and now they're looking like a team. Like people
Speaker 10: are going, well, they're never gonna lose again. They're never
Speaker 10: gonna lose again.
Speaker 7: They'll be able to fix this.
Speaker 10: But Brett has to go to work and it can't
Speaker 10: just be about Andy's genius in Patrick's you know, ability
Speaker 10: to always pull it out in the end, which we've
Speaker 10: all become kind of drunk with. We've all become like
Speaker 10: this intoxicated by because the guy is a once in
Speaker 10: a generation player. But what he's showing you is that
Speaker 10: this is still the ultimate team game. And when you
Speaker 10: brough up against a team that's evenly matched or even
Speaker 10: better than you physically, all the schemes and plague falls
Speaker 10: and shovel passes and they'll look passes in the world
Speaker 10: ain't gonna work because football still, like what Bill Parcels
Speaker 10: and Belichick and every other old school coach talks about,
Speaker 10: it's about imposing your will in another person.
Speaker 7: And Philly imposed their will on Kannessey last night to
Speaker 7: the point where.
Speaker 10: It looked like eighty five Bears versus New England Patriots
Speaker 10: in that same stadium.
Speaker 7: It was like, you have no shot, you can't even
Speaker 7: move the ball. I mean, it was unbelievable. I was
Speaker 7: I wasn't all.
Speaker 10: I mean my jaw was hitting the floor sitting there,
Speaker 10: going they can't they can't do anything. That is not
Speaker 10: how any of us thought that would happen. Besides maybe
Speaker 10: the people in Philadelphia in that locker.
Speaker 2: Room, Lewis, they poured the gatorade with three minutes left.
Speaker 2: That has to be about the earliest gatorade point. If
Speaker 2: that was a fight a heavyweight, they would have stopped that.
Speaker 2: They no doubt they would have stopped hit in the
Speaker 2: third quarter and they would have said, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: Most curious uh player decision in the off season with anybody,
Speaker 2: whether it's Russell Wilson or Sam Arnold or Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 2: who who or what are you most curious about in
Speaker 2: the off season?
Speaker 10: I'm curious about really you know about Let's see, where
Speaker 10: does Miles Garrett end up? And thus Cleveland actually let
Speaker 10: him go? Do they actually say you know? Because you know,
Speaker 10: obviously Andrew Berry has said that he's not a guy
Speaker 10: who I want to trade. I'm not gonna trade him.
Speaker 10: But where does he go? And does he Is he
Speaker 10: a missing piece for a team? Is he a missing
Speaker 10: piece for a team like Detroit?
Speaker 7: Is he a team? Is he a guy who like
Speaker 7: a team like Kansas City?
Speaker 10: Quite honestly, they need a guy like that, they need
Speaker 10: a closer like that.
Speaker 7: Where does he wind up going?
Speaker 10: Because outside a quarterback premium pass Russers who are like
Speaker 10: on the verge of doing historic things, rushing the past,
Speaker 10: or don't hit the market, they usually don't get moved.
Speaker 10: And so Miles is going to be one of the
Speaker 10: biggest stories of the all season and the only reason
Speaker 10: why it's probably not bigger is because of the fact
Speaker 10: that he plays for Cleveland right now, and nobody cares
Speaker 10: about Cleveland.
Speaker 2: Okay, but you worked in the front office of two
Speaker 2: NFL teams. Yeah, if you worked in the Browns front office,
Speaker 2: you're the GM. And Miles Garrett says he wants to
Speaker 2: be traded, knowing what you need for your team, and
Speaker 2: but you don't want to be the guy who traded
Speaker 2: him away. What would you do with that situation?
Speaker 10: That situation has so many other tentacles because you know,
Speaker 10: I just get to feeling Andrew Berry's not doing anything
Speaker 10: in a vacuum and he's being told what to do.
Speaker 10: But I would strongly suggest to the people who ultimately
Speaker 10: make that decision, if it wasn't just all mine on
Speaker 10: my own, I would say, hey, look.
Speaker 7: We need to consider moving him, okay, because we need
Speaker 7: a lot, we need help.
Speaker 10: And as much as that sucks, because he's one of
Speaker 10: the greatest players in the history of this franchise. We
Speaker 10: have to move him, and it's why, honest I would
Speaker 10: I would then want to have another conversation, Dan, which is,
Speaker 10: how have we gotten to the point where a guy
Speaker 10: who we drafted and we developed here in house, who
Speaker 10: was beloved in Cleveland all of our fan base can't
Speaker 10: blame that, They don't blame him.
Speaker 7: They would say they would want out too.
Speaker 10: How we How have we gotten to the point where
Speaker 10: our best players don't want to stay here anymore? Like
Speaker 10: that's that's an even bigger issue for them that I
Speaker 10: don't know. Maybe Jimmy has them, wants to have those conversations,
Speaker 10: Maybe he doesn't, but he needs to because if he doesn't,
Speaker 10: good luck getting a new stadium. Good luck getting you know,
Speaker 10: good luck getting that fan based to rally behind you
Speaker 10: when you're alienating a guy who is truly, you know,
Speaker 10: one of the best pass rushers that this game has
Speaker 10: ever seen.
Speaker 2: Safe travels back. Thanks for joining us the entire season.
Speaker 2: Always a pret your insights.
Speaker 7: Of course, man, you bet anytime.
Speaker 2: Thank you. That's Lewis Riddick of the Mothership