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Speaker 1: This one Bills Live presented by Callida Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, how's everybody doing out there? As we have

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Speaker 2: reached the three hour mark until the new league year

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Speaker 2: begins in the NFL for twenty twenty four, four pm

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Speaker 2: is when all thirty two teams must be under the cap,

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Speaker 2: and there's a couple of teams that have some work

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Speaker 2: to do. We'll get to that in just a second,

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Speaker 2: and the business free agency becomes official. A lot of

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Speaker 2: the contracts and deals that you've heard about over the

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Speaker 2: last couple of days will become official effective at four

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Speaker 2: pm when players can sign on the dotted line. So

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Speaker 2: a lot of what you've heard already will become official,

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Speaker 2: and there will undoubtedly be some more deals that have

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Speaker 2: flown under the radar being brought to light. We saw

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Speaker 2: what we've seen the last couple of days too, Steve

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Speaker 2: some trades that will become official at four pm. Today.

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Speaker 2: We saw the Steelers acquired cornerback Dante Jackson and a

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Speaker 2: sixth round pick from the Carolina Panthers in exchange for

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Speaker 2: wide receiver Deontey Johnson and a seventh round pick. We

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Speaker 2: saw the Brian Burns trade the other day between the

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Speaker 2: Giants and the Panthers, and then just about an hour ago,

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Speaker 2: we saw the Jets execute a trade. They acquired offensive

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Speaker 2: tackle Morgan Moses from the Ravens along with a sixth

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Speaker 2: round pick in exchange for a fourth round selection. For

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Speaker 2: those that don't remember, Morgan Moses actually played for the

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Speaker 2: Jets back in twenty twenty one before moving on to

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Speaker 2: the Baltimore Ravens. So the Jets are essentially trying to

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Speaker 2: steal Baltimore's offensive line because they already signed free agent

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Speaker 2: John Simpson the guard. Now they bring the tackle Morgan

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Speaker 2: Moses back. Morgan Moses is thirty three years old though,

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Speaker 2: so not a spring chicken.

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Speaker 1: N but you know, let's face the Jets are all

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Speaker 1: hands on deck trying to get better up front. They

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Speaker 1: got a forty year old quarterback coming off in Achilles

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Speaker 1: who got the Achilles because they didn't have an offensive

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Speaker 1: line and he lasted four plays. So they're gonna they're

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Speaker 1: and let's face it, one thing you can see Brownie

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Speaker 1: and I we talk about the Bills all the time,

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Speaker 1: but we also talk a ton about the AFAST, the division.

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Speaker 1: So you've heard us say, you know, and make reference

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Speaker 1: to the fact that the Jets do a lot of

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Speaker 1: stuff that their fans holler for. You know, they seem

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Speaker 1: to listen to their fans more than any any other

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Speaker 1: franchise in the league. And you know, so when they

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Speaker 1: get crushed all seasons, right exactly, and you know, so,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna do everything they can to get better up

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Speaker 1: on the offensive line. They're gonna do stuff now, Dada,

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Speaker 1: The question is are they doing it right? Yes, their

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Speaker 1: offensive line was an atrocity last year due to injury

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Speaker 1: and poor play. Uh, and they got to get better

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Speaker 1: and it will help if they can. But you're right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, signing a thirty three year old dude.

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Speaker 2: It's better than a thirty eight year old Dayne Brown

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Speaker 2: that didn't work out too well last year.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing, you know, I couldn't get on

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Speaker 1: the dang field. We've been Yeah, we've been talking about

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Speaker 1: this a lot. And there's a lot that makes the

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Speaker 1: game great. And I know I sound like I'm talking

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Speaker 1: the things that makes the NFL an unbelievable sport is

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Speaker 1: the physicality these You know that your team is gonna

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Speaker 1: point everybody does. It happens every time the players that

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Speaker 1: hundred percent of these guys, one hundred percent are gonna

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Speaker 1: get hurt, not ninety percent, not six out of seven,

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Speaker 1: fifty three out of fifty three. Any roster that you're on,

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Speaker 1: they're all gonna get hurt. The backup quarterback is gonna

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Speaker 1: guys that are in their mid thirties, man, it's hard.

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Speaker 1: Not only are you more fragile because you can't train

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Speaker 2: And it's a lot of backup quarterbacks played.

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Speaker 1: Last year there were sixty six sixty seven starting sixty

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Speaker 1: four sixty four starting quarterbacks last year.

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Speaker 2: Least there more started a game.

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Speaker 1: It started a game. There's more than that.

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Speaker 3: There was.

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Speaker 1: It was in the sixties sixty different guys. Sixty plus

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Speaker 2: Hit him high, but you can hurt him when they

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Speaker 1: Let's just put it this way. There is no escape.

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Speaker 1: There's no escape, and that's that's that's one of the

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Speaker 1: it as a fan when it's your guy that gets

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Speaker 1: physicality that is compelling to watch. It always has been.

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Speaker 1: It's been one of the most and I remember my

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Speaker 1: You start to think about, all right, how are they

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Speaker 1: So that's why it's a young man's game. Bro It's

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Speaker 2: There is Bill's news for the third straight day this week,

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Speaker 2: there are reports that the Bills have added veteran receiver

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Speaker 2: Mac Hollins to their roster. Hollins, who played last season

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Speaker 2: he also was a Corps special teams player. He brings

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Speaker 2: free agent linebacker Nicholas Morrow. The twenty eight year old

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Speaker 2: It's expected he would represent depth at the position, chiefly

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Speaker 2: of signings Steve that I think we anticipated, being fully

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Speaker 1: And a guy like Morow Morarols, a guy that wore

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Speaker 1: It's it's one of those spots where they the coaches

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Speaker 1: It's not just about a position man play and uh

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's a culture fit, no question. Uh, special teams. Both

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Speaker 1: these guys can contribute on that. But that's it. That's

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Speaker 1: kind of where you're at in the free agent market

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Speaker 2: If you're but the Bills, Yeah, you can't swing big

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Speaker 2: And Brandon being said as much in his end of

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Speaker 2: you know they are. I don't want to disrespect the

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Speaker 2: players that are being acquired, but the Bills are bargain hunting.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's what they're doing. They can't be throwing

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Speaker 2: And I know we hinted yesterday that one way to

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Speaker 2: Taran Johnson a contract extension, and the parameters would appear

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Speaker 2: Kenny Moore of the Indianapolis Colts, was set to become

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Speaker 2: a free agent. They signed him to a three year,

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Speaker 1: That's Tarror's making eight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so ten is top of the market at the

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Speaker 2: right now, or if they can structure it in such

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Speaker 2: give themselves some cap space this year. Perhaps next year.

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Speaker 2: You know, maybe you do a four year deal. It's

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Speaker 2: We'll have to wait and see. We mentioned the Jets

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Speaker 2: trade one team that's got a lot of work to

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Speaker 2: of it's already been done, it just hasn't gotten out there.

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Speaker 2: The Chargers have some big decisions to make on some

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Speaker 2: high priced veterans on their roster. Joey Bosa, Mike Williams,

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Speaker 2: Keenan Allen, Khalil Mack could all become cap casualties before

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Speaker 2: four o'clock today. Is the Chargers need to be under

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Speaker 2: eighty million dollars in cap space if all four were released.

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Speaker 2: We did see some reports earlier this week that they

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Speaker 2: were shopping Bosa and Mac, but who the heck's taking

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Speaker 2: they got to cut them anyway.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 1: And even so even teams in their division, wait, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna see how you jump through the hoops to do it,

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Speaker 1: and I want you to spread yourself thinner and keep

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Speaker 1: haven't won that division for a minute. Nobody's over there

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Speaker 1: sweating bullets over the Chargers. I'm sorry. Last year they

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Speaker 1: They're gonna do all it. Now they're the Chargers. They

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Speaker 1: So nobody over there is gonna stand in line saying, listen,

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Speaker 1: you get better. I'm not taking that trade. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to cut them or redo their deal. And if

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Speaker 1: you redo their deal, it's just matter. It's just more

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Speaker 1: the same what we're getting right from you.

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Speaker 2: And less maneuverability. Chargers.

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Speaker 1: You get Khalil Mack, Joey Bosa, Keenan Allen, Mike Williams,

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Speaker 1: and Derwin James.

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Speaker 2: James.

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Speaker 1: Now, Derwin James, they won't because that's a it's a

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Speaker 1: bigger cap hit than what they're gonna pay him. He's

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Speaker 1: the first time he's cost four guys. It's Mike Williams,

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Speaker 1: Keenan Ally and joe Joey Bosa and Khalil Mack. Is

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Speaker 1: I mean, the guy's a warrior.

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Speaker 2: You know, I put a photo up of Micah and

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Speaker 2: So I would be very surprised if the Bills can

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be pretty pricey. I'll bet he still makes

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Speaker 2: I think Khalil Mack is gonna get. Yeah, twelve to fourteen.

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Speaker 2: Cam Lewis, who agreed to terms with the Bills just

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Speaker 2: eight eight five point fifty two five fifty or on

433
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Speaker 2: the tweetsheet a one Bills Live. Maybe you've got a

434
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Speaker 2: question about somebody that's out there in free agency, the

435
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Speaker 2: kind of price tag they might command, whatever the case

436
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Speaker 2: might be. You got something you want to chime in on,

437
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Speaker 2: feel free to do that at eight oh three five fifty.

438
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Speaker 2: Is there still a player or two out there, Steve

439
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Speaker 2: that intrigues you for the Bills. Was there somebody at

440
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Speaker 2: the outset of free agency that might still be sitting

441
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Speaker 2: out there or no, nobody in particular.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm I like I said the other day.

443
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 2: I'm you're more position oriented.

444
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I had no idea who this receiver was.

445
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: We just signed. We had you. I trust Brandon, I

446
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 1: trust us, leave it to him and believe me. This

447
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 1: place and you know this, it's weird too because when

448
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Speaker 1: during the season, you and I we go up into

449
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Speaker 1: the cafeteria, we get some coffee and stuff, and we

450
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Speaker 1: see all the players and the coaches and stuff. Now

451
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: it's a completely different population. It's all they got. It's

452
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Speaker 1: all hands on deck. They're a scouring film and talking

453
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Speaker 1: about pro players. And you know, for all the you know,

454
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Speaker 1: the the free agent wide receivers that are out there,

455
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Speaker 1: it's you know, who are you gonna get?

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Speaker 2: I mean.

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Speaker 1: The guy, top guy on the list, Mac Hollins, Oh

458
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Speaker 1: my gosh, Oh, we just signed him.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he was the top guy on the list.

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Speaker 1: Isa McKenzie listed.

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Speaker 2: Mackenzie went to the Giants. Did you see that? Back

462
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Speaker 2: with day Ball?

463
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Speaker 1: All right, here's like Hunter Renfrow Alison, that's.

464
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Speaker 2: A player that's supposed to get cut today, couldn't find

465
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Speaker 2: his way onto the field with the Raiders last year

466
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Speaker 2: under Josh McDaniels.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that was more of a personal issue.

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Speaker 1: I would tend to think so, yes, yeah, because he

469
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Speaker 1: has proven ob Obj's out there. Curtis, Samuel Tyler Boyd,

470
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Speaker 1: Michael Thomas. See, I like Michael Thomas. He's thirty one,

471
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Speaker 1: and that's a guy that you don't forget. He was

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Speaker 1: all of it when he was.

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Speaker 2: With New Orleans. That foot injury has cost him the

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Speaker 2: better part of the last three seasons. Yes, it's like

475
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Speaker 2: three years we're going on now, So.

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Speaker 1: Get your doctors to look at him.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you want to take a flyer on Michael Thomas

478
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Speaker 2: for the right price, Give a veteran minimum or whatever,

479
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 2: how many million deal, one year deal plus incentives to

480
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Speaker 2: get it up to whatever whatever.

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Speaker 1: That because don't forget about that guy. How good was he?

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Speaker 2: Yeah he was.

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Speaker 1: He was unbelievable, kind of like a supernova and like

484
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Speaker 1: you say, you know it's word did he did, like

485
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: fell off the earth, start having injuries, couldn't get on

486
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Speaker 1: the field and presto chango. This just in if you're

487
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Speaker 1: a receiver, Yeah, your hands are important, so are your feet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, mar Dez gotta have wheels.

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Speaker 1: Valdez Scantling, Cedric Wilson, DJ Clark, Jamal Agnew Deontay Hardy's

490
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Speaker 1: still out there. Paris Campbell, you know, Braxton Barrios, I mean,

491
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Speaker 1: you know, pick out a hat, you know.

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Speaker 2: Michael Thomas in twenty nineteen, one hundred and forty nine

493
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Speaker 2: receptions for seventeen hundred and twenty five yards and nine touchdowns.

494
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Speaker 2: He was He averaged almost one hundred eight receiving yards

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Speaker 2: per game.

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Speaker 1: Yummy, yummy, give me somemmy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, except nobody's seen anything close to that since then.

498
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Speaker 2: His best season since then is a forty catch season,

499
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Speaker 2: which was in the COVID year twenty twenty four hundred

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Speaker 2: and thirty eight yards. Last year, thirty nine receptions for

501
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Speaker 2: four hundred forty eight yards and a touchdown for New Orleans.

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Speaker 2: He played in ten games.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's what you're gonna get. That's that's well,

504
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: well here put it this way. That's what you can

505
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: count on. That's what you can count on. You get

506
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: thirty one years old. Maybe maybe some problems with injury.

507
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: He may have maybe not be able to play all

508
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Speaker 1: seventeen games, or maybe he'll be miss a month here

509
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Speaker 1: or whatever. And I don't know whether he missed the

510
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 1: last seven games or whether he missed the middle seven

511
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Speaker 1: or whatever. But that's what you're gonna get, or the

512
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: guy's got it together. He is completely healthy and he

513
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: can come out and give you everything he's got on

514
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Speaker 1: a one year deal, trying to hit one last kick

515
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Speaker 1: of the can.

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Speaker 2: Right, look good, Steve rolling the dice.

517
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Speaker 1: I'm all about it. You'd get it for the right price.

518
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: That cause that and plus think about this too, that's credibility.

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00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of guy he is. I've

520
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: never met him, but all of a sudden, you got

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00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: got Michael Thomas over there, if they if you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm he's the same age as Steph actually within a year,

523
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: less than a year, so I'm uh yeah, give you know,

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Speaker 1: take a flyer on a guy like that, who has

525
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Speaker 1: who has been to that mountaintop and for reasons out

526
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: of his own control, is not there anymore. You can

527
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: make that same argument for Obj, you know. But you

528
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: know now he's thirty one now too, and he's got

529
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Speaker 1: multiple acls. So but yeah, I intrigues you. Right, So

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00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: spot Track has Michael Thomas. His market value is nine

531
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Speaker 1: point two per year, so there's some there's some cachet

532
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: in that name. Right, it's been three years though it's

533
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: been three years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: What if you could get him for like a three

536
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: million dollar contract with incentives to get him up to twelve.

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00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 2: I don't want to pay that kind of money for

538
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: a guy who hasn't done anything in three years.

539
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: Three or four million bucks a year for a one

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00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: year deal with incentives to give up, like if he

541
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: catches seventy balls, give him the money.

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00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: Fine, I mean, come on, dude, I don't know.

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00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: I just give the guy a one year deal.

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Speaker 2: Not big on I'm not big on injury history guys.

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00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 2: I'm just not I get it. It's all about availability.

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00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. And I say, I said, you

547
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: get him in and you get him into your doctors,

548
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: and you say what about it? And if the doctors

549
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: come back and say, I don't know, it's okay, fine,

550
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: we're not going to do it. But if they say no,

551
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: there's no reason to think he's going to be more

552
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: susceptible to any other injury than he already is than

553
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: any other guy. You know, it's a foot injury, so

554
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: if you know diagnose that and the doctors come back

555
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: and say no, he should not be at any added

556
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: risk other than a normal player would be despite his history.

557
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: Then it's like, okay, how about it. We'll give you, okay,

558
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: seventeen games, We'll give you six million bucks. That's like

559
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty three grand a week during the season.

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00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and the receiver market has been soft,

561
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: you know, the.

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00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: Basic dude Michael Thomas, and then you can draft Brian

563
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Speaker 1: Thomas Junior.

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Speaker 2: I think it's gone from dude Michael Thomas to oh

565
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: Michael Thomas. Like that's what the last three years is

566
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 2: done to his cachet in my estimation. Maybe maybe I'm wrong.

567
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Then again, doesn't have many miles on his chassis either,

569
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Speaker 1: hasn't played all that much.

570
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's got a bum wheel.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if that's you, I get it. I'll

572
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: say it again. Tell your doctors to tell us what

573
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: the story is and if they can give you a

574
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Speaker 1: positive look at it, then do it. So Yeah, No,

575
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Speaker 1: I don't have anybody, any free agent that I'm looking

576
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Speaker 1: at them.

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Speaker 4: One.

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Speaker 2: Uh, we have to take a break here, but we're

579
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Speaker 2: back with your phone calls at eight oh three oh

580
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Speaker 2: five point fifty one eight eight five fifty two five

581
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Speaker 2: fifty got it? Anything on your mind regarding the free

582
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: agent market, what the Bills might do going forward here,

583
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 2: or some thoughts on two of the Bills reportedly set

584
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: to put on the uniform for the first time. Nicholas Morrow,

585
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Speaker 2: Mac Collins weigh in on that as well. Here on

586
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Speaker 2: One Bill's Live presented by Colida Health, it's Buffalo Bills Radio.

587
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to the One Bill's Live. Chris Brown,

588
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: Steve tasking with you here on a Wednesday. Got any

589
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 2: questions about the free agent market or thoughts on the

590
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 2: two new reported additions to the roster wide receiver MATC Collins,

591
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 2: linebacker Nicholas Morrow. Feel free to give us a ring

592
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: at eight O three five fifty. Let's go to the

593
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Speaker 2: phones now, and leading us off today will be Jake

594
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: in Buffalo. What's up, Jake?

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Speaker 5: How's it going?

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Speaker 6: Guys? I have two quick questions free. So, if we

597
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Speaker 6: already get a guy like Michael Thomas, and you said

598
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 6: on a little you know, fix it deal, if you

599
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 6: will sign him for three and maybe he gets twelve

600
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 6: if he does really well, how does that work? If

601
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 6: you're you know, at the borderline of your cap limits.

602
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: None of the incentives are are go against the cap

603
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Speaker 1: until they're earned.

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Speaker 6: Okay, So if they're earned, you know, mid season, is

605
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 6: there severe penalties or anything like that?

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00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: Well, can you go over Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Gosh, okay, sorry, I was just just wondering how that works.

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Speaker 6: Some teams back themselves into a corner and then you

609
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Speaker 6: kind of get yourself into a situation.

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Speaker 4: There, you know.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know that. I don't know that it'll

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Speaker 1: go into this year's cap, but it might get counted

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Speaker 1: against next year's cap.

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Speaker 6: Okay, I totally understand that. And my last question for

615
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 6: you is, if we happen to sign Tredavius White back

616
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Speaker 6: on a proven year, what happens with this six million

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Speaker 6: dollars in dead cap money? Thank you guys, I'll hang

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Speaker 6: up and listen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question. I gotta I gotta think

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Speaker 2: about that now. If so, he's he is a June

621
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Speaker 2: first post June first release, so that means they pushed

622
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: some of his cap hit into next year. So you're saying,

623
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 2: let's say they sign him like in October when he

624
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Speaker 2: can play again. I believe as I see it, it's

625
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Speaker 2: a brand new contract. Well, so I don't think it

626
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 2: impacts the cap hit in the previous deal.

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Speaker 1: The dead money that's on the cap is on the cap.

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Speaker 1: It stays there because that would What what that does

629
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Speaker 1: is it keeps teams from like saying, listen, sign this deal,

630
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Speaker 1: give you all this money, and then we'll tear that

631
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: deal up and sign a new deal for nothing. And

632
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: then we get it. You know, we can pay you

633
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,479
Speaker 1: that money, and we can we can save all that

634
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: cat you know what I mean. They can't get around

635
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: the cap by ripping up a contract and signing a

636
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: new contract. The money that they've paid him goes on

637
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: the contract, goes on the cap, no matter what, even

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00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: if he comes back and resigns with a different contract.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So really, it would just be like signing any

640
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: other player. It wouldn't impact the previous post June first

641
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 2: designation in any way. It's almost like it's a completely

642
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 2: new player. Right. Let's go to Rob in Connecticut next.

643
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 2: What's up Rob?

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Speaker 7: Good afternoon, Chris, Good afternoon, Steve. It's always a pleasure. Chris,

645
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 7: thank you very much for a great season of play calling.

646
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,479
Speaker 7: I enjoyed it very much. And Steve, as always, thank

647
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,439
Speaker 7: you very much for the memories. I heard you guys

648
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 7: talking about the wide receivers. One of the things that

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00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 7: I have been listening to is Show Up and the

650
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Speaker 7: Bulldog and Shop is bringing up this other guy that

651
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Speaker 7: I didn't hear you guys mentioned was Hollywood Brown. I

652
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Speaker 7: believe that that actually makes a lot of sense. I mean,

653
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Speaker 7: I was like reaching for Ridley if he didn't sign

654
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Speaker 7: with Jacksonville, but that that was reaching, of course. But

655
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Speaker 7: I want to get your thoughts on what would you

656
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Speaker 7: feel if Hollywood Brown was to step into the locker

657
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Speaker 7: room and on the field with us. And I'll let

658
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Speaker 7: you guys talk about that, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: He's tiny, he's a speed demon. I'd also be surprised

660
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 2: if the Bills could afford him. He's a twenty six

661
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 2: year old in the prime of his career. I think

662
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Speaker 2: they need I still think they need a true outside guy.

663
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying he can't do that, but he's not

664
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Speaker 2: ideal size wise. And while he would be a field

665
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Speaker 2: stretcher for you and you could do a lot worse

666
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Speaker 2: than Marquis Brown. I just don't think he's going to

667
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Speaker 2: be a bargain type signing. I think he's going to

668
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Speaker 2: sign for good money. I don't know if the Bills

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Speaker 2: can compete with the kind of price tag he's going

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Speaker 2: to be seeking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what that is. I guess I

672
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Speaker 1: could look up his market value.

673
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Speaker 2: But here's I made thirteen million last year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty pricey.

675
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Speaker 2: And now he's going on his second contract.

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Speaker 1: And I'll say this too. Good player, no question, But

677
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Speaker 1: you're right, he's I don't know if he's the type

678
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Speaker 1: of player. I mean, let's face it, maybe I'm a

679
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Speaker 1: little gun shy because we had you know, we had

680
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Speaker 1: Isaiah Mackenzie here and he was he was exciting at times,

681
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Speaker 1: but inconsistent. Then we had Deontay Hardy who was a

682
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: return guy and really never found a role on the offense.

683
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Speaker 1: With the emergence of all these other guys that did.

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Speaker 1: And I get it too, the wide receiver two would

685
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Speaker 1: have a different role than that, but none of these

686
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Speaker 1: other guys could fill. And I think they're looking for

687
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Speaker 1: a guy a type at that spot. I think they're

688
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Speaker 1: looking for a big dude, like a Gabe Davis.

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Speaker 2: I mean I see him as a twelve. If Gabe

690
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Speaker 2: Davis is getting thirteen million, he's getting at least that.

691
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think Hollywood Brown's a little bit

692
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Speaker 1: too expensive. But I mean if he and I'll say this,

693
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Speaker 1: he's a good Good players make you better. I've said

694
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Speaker 1: it a zillion times on this show. If you can

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Speaker 1: get him and you can afford him, sure, there may

696
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: be better options out there, I mean are bigger dudes.

697
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's a fast guy and has a lot

698
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Speaker 1: of and has some chops in the NFL, and he

699
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: would be a good player to have. He'll help you.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that there's other guys out there that

701
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Speaker 1: wouldn't fit better though, That's all I'm saying. I'm with

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Speaker 1: kind of with Brownie. He's a small, fast guy and

703
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: there's a gut a there's a zillion of them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Back to the phones and to Mark in West Seneca.

705
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Speaker 2: What's up, Mark? What do you got for us?

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Speaker 8: Very good afternoon, guys. I wanted to explore that Michael

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Speaker 8: Thomas situation with what Steve was talking about. It makes

708
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Speaker 8: so much sense with the Bills cap constraints that they

709
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Speaker 8: have and what's out there in free agency. I don't

710
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Speaker 8: believe they're going to find a guy out there that

711
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Speaker 8: can step in and give them anywhere close to the

712
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 8: kind of production that alone that a number two receiver

713
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 8: would give you and what you're looking for. So if

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Speaker 8: they're really committed to drafting a light out in the

715
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Speaker 8: first round and maybe even moving up to get a

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Speaker 8: really good talent, I think the mentorship that Michael Thomas

717
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Speaker 8: could bring would be invaluable to support a guy like that.

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Speaker 8: Say you get forty to fifty catches out of Michael

719
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Speaker 8: Thomas for roughly five to six hundred yards, and you

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Speaker 8: get that out of a rookie where they're not playing

721
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Speaker 8: every snap either one of them, they're sm splitting snaps.

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Speaker 8: I think that that would be invaluable. And obviously there's

723
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Speaker 8: some hurdles to overcome, the physical and all that kind

724
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Speaker 8: of thing, But I mean a guy with that kind

725
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Speaker 8: of cachet bringing them in to mentor a young kid,

726
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Speaker 8: especially a kid with a lot of talent, I think

727
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 8: is invaluable. And I think that's the way they should

728
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 8: be looking at it. And if they can fit it

729
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Speaker 8: in under the cap, I'm all for it. It makes just

730
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Speaker 8: so much sense moving forward. So that's always to say.

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Speaker 1: I go ahead, now, I was going to say the

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Speaker 1: reason guys like Michael Thomas are or are available is

733
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Speaker 1: because they got question marks, physical question marks. Certainly if

734
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Speaker 1: you get the doc is okay and they and they

735
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: give him this the you know, the green light. I

736
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: think that's that's a reason to go, like go full

737
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Speaker 1: speed ahead and expect you can get some production out

738
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Speaker 1: of where the guy has been in his past. And

739
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's gonna be a twenty eight year

740
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: old Michael Thomas, but he'd be pretty good. And you

741
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: don't need him to be the number one guy right away.

742
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: And like you said, you signed Michael Thomas to the deal.

743
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 1: We're talking about whether it's late incentive laden where you

744
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,919
Speaker 1: could get up to a big number if he does

745
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: play well. You're also gonna draft a kid, and he

746
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: that kid gets a chance to watch Steph Diggs and

747
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas do their thing and learn a lot from that.

748
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 1: Watch them prepare, watch them game plan, listen to their

749
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: conversations about getting open. Learn a ton from that. Yeah,

750
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: and I'm I I would agree with you. I think

751
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: having those guys in your wide receiver room will go

752
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: a long way. And particularly when your expectations and your

753
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: and your need for them to be like the old.

754
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Speaker 1: We don't need Michael Thomas to be the old Michael Thomas,

755
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Speaker 1: Like when he's getting one hundred and forty nine catches

756
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: and seventeen hundred yards, that'd be nice, no question. But

757
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: what you're really not, what you're really looking for him

758
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Speaker 1: to do, is just give you, you know, twelve or

759
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: fifteen yards a catch on on you know what, eighty

760
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: catches right, eighty catches on one hundred targets. Basically, that's

761
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Speaker 1: what would be great. The expectations aren't for him to

762
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Speaker 1: come in and be the number one, and he may

763
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Speaker 1: he may be amenable to that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to take a flyer, right, Yeah, I

765
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Speaker 2: get it.

766
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: It would be a flyer, no question about it. I

767
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: acknowledge that you're You're not putting the onus of the

768
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: offense on him, that's for sure, and even a big

769
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Speaker 1: chunk of the cap unless he earns it.

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Speaker 2: Eight oh three oh five fifty one eighty eight five

771
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Speaker 2: fifty two five fifty then number get on board, get

772
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Speaker 2: open lines for you. We go to Steve on a sale. Next,

773
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Speaker 2: what's up, Steve?

774
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Speaker 9: You gotta have no fellows? First fire caller, longtime listener,

775
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,919
Speaker 9: Thanks for doing I was calling concerning doing good, doing

776
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 9: good calling. I mean, I'm in the boat of Khalil Mack.

777
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 9: I was listening to Steve concerning Michael Thomas. Is there

778
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 9: any way that we can possibly get Khalil with just

779
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 9: as you said, a reference about Michael Thomas and reference

780
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 9: and bonuses. Is that something that you think the Bills

781
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 9: can possibly you know, a wager out there.

782
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear what you're saying. Like I said earlier,

783
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 2: coming off of seventeen and a half SAX season, I

784
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 2: just think he's going to be too pricey for the

785
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 2: Bills to compete for. I think there'll be a demand

786
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 2: for him even at age thirty three because of the

787
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 2: production he put up last year. I mean to paint

788
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 2: the picture for you. He made seventeen and a half

789
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 2: million in base salary last year and then had seventeen

790
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 2: and a half sacks. He's going to be in the

791
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: same general neighborhood probably even if it's a one year deal,

792
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: I don't know a two years.

793
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Speaker 1: And let's face it, right at this moment, he's still

794
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: a charger and he's not even he's under contract. So

795
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: you gotta wait until he gets cut this afternoon. If

796
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: it happens, or they're gonna rework his deal, there's no

797
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: way they're gonna let him sit on this contract and

798
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: go into the next season without a change. So you're

799
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: gonna hear something either A he's reworked his contract or

800
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: b he's been released as a Charger. We can't do

801
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: anything until then. Even trading for him isn't great.

802
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: Right. We gotta take a break because when we come back,

803
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 2: we're gonna have Cam Lewis here in studio joining us

804
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 2: after he agreed to terms and is once again a

805
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bill. We'll catch up with him next year on

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Speaker 2: One Bill's Live, presented by a Lot of Health.

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Speaker 10: It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

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00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to One Bill's Live. Chris Brown,

809
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 2: Steve Tasker with you here on a Wednesday. Please to

810
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 2: be joined nowt here in studio by Cam Lewis, who

811
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 2: just put pen to paper on his contract agreement to

812
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: remain a Buffalo Bill back in the secondary, back on

813
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 2: special teams. I mean, you wear a lot of hats

814
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 2: for this team, you have since you've been here, and

815
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: you're still gonna be wearing them presumably going forward. Here's

816
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 2: where I want to start though, because for the first

817
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 2: time for Bills fans in seven years, there's no Poyer,

818
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 2: and there's no Hide on the roster, and I imagine

819
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 2: it's probably just as strange for you because they've been

820
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 2: here ever since you walked in the door. But at

821
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 2: the same time, this is now an opportunity for you

822
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 2: that realistically wasn't there with those two guys on the

823
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: roster or anybody else for that matter. For the most part,

824
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 2: how do you look at it now? Because this new,

825
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 2: you know, two year agreement for you and the opportunity

826
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 2: that's in front of you would appear to be different

827
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: as far as playing on defense is concerned. How different

828
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 2: is it for you in your head? You know, as

829
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 2: you prepare your mindset for twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 11: I mean I really don't see I always kind of

831
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Speaker 11: you know, prepare as you know, I wanted to be

832
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 11: a starter R coming in the league. I knew it's

833
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 11: gonna take time, you know, especially come undrafted, you know

834
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 11: Micah Poe, and then I had tearing as well playing

835
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 11: Nickel and you know Trey White outside, so I know,

836
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 11: you know, I have to find my role and then

837
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 11: learn from the guys you know above me. So learning

838
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 11: from Micah and Poe these last two years, making that

839
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 11: transition to safety.

840
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 3: Right, that's been wonderful, man.

841
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 11: I just I couldn't I couldn't thank them enough, you know,

842
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 11: for the amount of knowledge and stuff that it instilled

843
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 11: in me. But like I said, I've always been preparing

844
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 11: to be a starter, like since day one. So I

845
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 11: don't think my mindset or confidence changed. It's just just

846
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 11: making the most out of this opportunity that's ahead of me.

847
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 11: So just going going out here and just compete.

848
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: One of the things that struck me as you sat

849
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: down here and we start talking about this because most

850
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: people know, I mean, it's been fun. You've been a

851
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: solid group back there, Polent, Micah had been back there,

852
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: Terrence there, Tray's been in and around the you know,

853
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: he's been a couple of years, but now he's you know,

854
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: he's back in the building and all that. Right, Dane

855
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: Jackson has been there for a minute. It's kind of

856
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: a sad day, right.

857
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 4: It is.

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00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 11: No, it's definitely, especially when you know when Michael was leaving,

859
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 11: you know, our last little meeting where our talk had him,

860
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 11: Uh he got a little tear eye and it kind

861
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 11: of got me a little tear eyed too. And then uh,

862
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 11: same thing with Poe because you know, you never know,

863
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 11: you know, in this business.

864
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 3: So we were just trying to soak it all in.

865
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 3: You know, this past couple of years.

866
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 11: We didn't know when it was gonna end, but we

867
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 11: tried to enjoy, you know, every moment that we did

868
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 11: have together.

869
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 3: That's why we used to go on dB dinners.

870
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 11: That's while we used to hang out outside of the building,

871
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 11: just because we always love to be around each other. So,

872
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 11: like I said, it is gonna be different. It's gonna

873
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 11: be different. But they they they left that culture of

874
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 11: trying to win and that cohesiveness of a group that

875
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 11: we need to be to, you know, succeed in this league.

876
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 3: So I guess they taught us the ropes.

877
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, looking forward, now, your new defensive coordinator is a

878
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 2: guy that you know very well because he was your

879
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: position coach, you know when you first came in the door,

880
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: and now he's your d C. How comforting is it?

881
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 2: I mean, you're never comfortable in this league because it

882
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 2: is cutthroat. I know, I don't have to tell you that,

883
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 2: but at the same time, I got to imagine there's

884
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 2: a little bit of a sense of comfort knowing your

885
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator knows you intimately as a player, your skill set,

886
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 2: you know, and how to get the most out of

887
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 2: you and take advantage of your strengths as a player.

888
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 2: Is there some measure of comfort knowing your DC, even

889
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 2: though he's new in the role, knows you backwards and

890
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 2: forwards as a player.

891
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit.

892
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 11: You know, Like I said, we've I've been around Bobby

893
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 11: for going on five years now, six going in to

894
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 11: the new year. But you know, he knows me in

895
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 11: and out, like I say, like you said, he coached me.

896
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 3: And you know you have that sense of comfort.

897
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 11: But you you know what Bobby aspects you know out

898
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 11: of you.

899
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

900
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 11: So he's always that high energy guy, but he likes

901
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 11: the details and he wants you to do it the

902
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 11: right way, and he always would tease that the right way.

903
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 11: So me knowing that, I can kind of prepare myself

904
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 11: with what I need, you know, what I need to

905
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 11: do to get the job done.

906
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts about you know, the way this

907
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: off season's gone so far, you know it is, you know,

908
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: the team at the end of last year, even the guys,

909
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: especially the guys up front, with the whole roster being

910
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: over now they got Dake one back and Aja signed back.

911
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: But it's gonna be a lot of new faces on

912
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: your side of the ball. But now you do have

913
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: a year under your belt with with Sean calling the defenses.

914
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: So there's over the last eighteen months, it's been quite

915
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: a wash through the roster and the coaching staff. Now

916
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna have more coaching changes up there. Give us

917
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: an idea of what, you know, the vibe is when

918
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 1: you talk to the guys that are gonna be here.

919
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 11: I mean I always I get the vibe that you know,

920
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 11: we're still trying to win, like we still have the

921
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 11: opportunity to win. I don't know, I think I maybe

922
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 11: seen something or maybe mainstream media. I think, you know,

923
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 11: since all the you know releases that's happening moving cast

924
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 11: base that they feel like, you know, Buffalo's windows, you know,

925
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,280
Speaker 11: super Bowl window has you know closed.

926
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 3: But we don't feel that way.

927
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: You know.

928
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 11: We still feel like we're very competitive team and we

929
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 11: can still you know, win football games in this league,

930
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 11: which is very hard to do. But I still think

931
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 11: we you know, we'll be able to get it done.

932
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 11: So yeah, just most positive and just looking forward to

933
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 11: you know, getting the season started, and a lot assitement,

934
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 11: to be honest.

935
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just so you know, we have a moratorium

936
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 2: on the window discussion. I'm so sick of people talking

937
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 2: about that. I've put a moratorium on that. I basically

938
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 2: tell our callers we don't even just talk about that

939
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 2: stuff because I'm just so sick of it. It's on

940
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 2: those national shows all the time. I just cannot. I

941
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 2: have no stomach for it anymore. Okay, So Steve mentioned

942
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 2: some of the new coaches coming in the door. I

943
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 2: know coach Dan got here last year and you're familiar

944
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 2: with him, But what about coach you Die. Have you

945
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 2: had a chance to meet him or not yet?

946
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 11: Okay, now I'm going up there and met him after this.

947
00:48:58,600 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 11: When I went up there, he wasn't in his.

948
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 2: Gotcha got you back? Okay, So I'll move over to

949
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 2: special teams then, because Coach Smiley, you know, and Coach Harkey.

950
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 2: Much like the wash through on defense, You're gonna have

951
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 2: a little bit of a wash through there with the

952
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 2: core of the group, you know, Saran, Neil Tyler, Manikaevich.

953
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 2: We don't know what's gonna happen with T Dodd, you

954
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: know those guys were core special teamers. Obviously you are too.

955
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 2: So now we've got this group of up and comers,

956
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 2: you know, coming into the primes of their career. You

957
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 2: probably Reggie, you know, and a few other guys. How

958
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 2: do you kind of take on that mantle as probably

959
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 2: the leadership group of the special teams unit going forward.

960
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like we just can't.

961
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 11: I guess I want to put it is not put

962
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 11: it all on ourselves and just come together as one unit,

963
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 11: you know what I'm saying, Just bounce ideas off of

964
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 11: each other, just because we won't you know, we won't

965
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 11: have all the answers right away. Yeah, you know, we

966
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 11: will have you know a lot of young talent coming in,

967
00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 11: you know, with the draft class and stuff like that,

968
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 11: and then people that we haven't played with. So it

969
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 11: was this off season, especially OTAs and many camp will

970
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 11: be I feel like important just to get the foundation

971
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 11: of what we want our special teams unit to be,

972
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 11: you know, especially different from last year. I don't feel

973
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 11: like last year we kind of put our best foot forward.

974
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 11: You know, most definitely we tried, you know what I'm saying,

975
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 11: But some of the outcomes I wish, you know, we

976
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 11: wish that we would got back a different plays and

977
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 11: stuff like that.

978
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 3: So just bidden off that.

979
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 11: You know, we have that taste in our mouth that

980
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 11: you know, we don't want to have these plays happen,

981
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 11: and we experienced that, you know, together for the guys

982
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 11: that's coming back, you know, Reggie Q myself, you know,

983
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 11: Reeds still here, so he's still one of those leaders

984
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 11: in that room, you know, on them unit. So just

985
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 11: having that and just trying to build off of it,

986
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 11: and we I feel like we have all the same

987
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 11: views of where we want this unit to be, all

988
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 11: the same goals. So just having that come together as one,

989
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 11: I feel like the sky's the limit.

990
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 3: All right.

991
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: Last one for me, what what's your schedule coming up

992
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 1: the next couple of months. You gotta kind of hang

993
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: loose until after the draft and then they start the

994
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: OTAs and all that stuff.

995
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

996
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm I'm gonna workout, stay active, and then I'm

997
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 11: going down to Jamaica and my birthday's coming up. Yeah,

998
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 11: I'm going down Jamaica a little bit, hang out with

999
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 11: the wife, and then my brother and his girlfriend's coming

1000
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 11: as well, so that should be a good time. And

1001
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 11: then come back, yeah, and get to work. Man, it's

1002
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 11: a long it's a long year. Hey, sure, it's a

1003
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 11: long year, but gotta get ready for it.

1004
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 2: Good quick one for me. I'm sure you've been kind

1005
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,479
Speaker 2: of keeping an ear to the ground on this and

1006
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 2: your head coach is on the competition committee now. But

1007
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 2: it looks like kickoffs may look different again. Yeah this

1008
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 2: year if they adopt that XFL kickoff for sure. Have

1009
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: you watched that on film? I'm just curious for someone

1010
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 2: that's run forty yards down the field forever on kickoffs.

1011
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 2: Have you looked at it from the way the XFL

1012
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 2: did it. I'm just curious for your thoughts on it

1013
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 2: being you know, a special team's gout.

1014
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: Uh.

1015
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 2: I don't. So they do like they're like ten yards

1016
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 2: from each other. You have to tag up in baseball. Yeah,

1017
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 2: I don't until the guy catches.

1018
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 3: I don't like that.

1019
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1020
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm not a big fan of it, especially I

1021
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 11: wasn't a big running. Yeah, it's less running, but I

1022
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 11: feel like that takes I feel like they just take kickoff.

1023
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 3: You know, out of the you know the game, to

1024
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:14,919
Speaker 3: be honest, which is a lot.

1025
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 2: Of See it's interesting that you say that because the

1026
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 2: whole reason the NFL is looking at this is because

1027
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 2: they don't like their not being returns. There are so

1028
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 2: many non returns as you know, I mean you played

1029
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 2: all seasons returns, super Bowl zero returns.

1030
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 11: But they have a whole bunch of fair catches, you know,

1031
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 11: fair rule and stuff like that.

1032
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 3: I didn't really like that that.

1033
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 2: Rule fair catching.

1034
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 11: Noah, it's just like if you want to return and

1035
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 11: return it and then a lot of teams use it,

1036
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 11: you know, to whatever events they wanted to in certain games,

1037
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 11: especially weather games, which is you know, yeah, that's up

1038
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 11: to them, but it takes a lot of different plays

1039
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 11: out for a lot of ris that you know, try

1040
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,720
Speaker 11: to thrive on those units and try to make their living,

1041
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 11: you know, on special teams. So especially if you want

1042
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 11: to have special teams around the game, you have to

1043
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 11: have right you know, have to kickoff, you have to

1044
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 11: let you know, people go out there in those plays.

1045
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 2: We may find out by the end of this month,

1046
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 2: that's when the owners meetings may have that proposal in

1047
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 2: front of them. Be interesting to see if they adopt that,

1048
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 2: do they eliminate the fair catch? Like what are they

1049
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 2: gonna do? But it's got to be crazy for people

1050
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 2: like you, you know, you're trying to get a handle

1051
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 2: on stuff like that, and then they keep changing it

1052
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 2: on you. It's hard to kind of get traction and

1053
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 2: feel comfortable, right.

1054
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's been changing year year by year, so uh,

1055
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 11: you just got to adjust with it, to be honest,

1056
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 11: and just try to make uh the rule, the rules

1057
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 11: work for you in your favor, and you know, just

1058
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 11: trying to make the best of it.

1059
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 1: I remember I covered a ton of kickoffs obviously when

1060
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: I was playing it. You have such a depth of

1061
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: knowledge how many times you've done the exact same thing. Well,

1062
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: now you've done like one years this way and this

1063
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 1: year is that way, and then you know, it's hard

1064
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: to get comfortable doing it. So you feel like, yeah,

1065
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: I know exactly what's gonna happen, all the stuff that

1066
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: could happen.

1067
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 3: Right for sure.

1068
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: Actually I don't know.

1069
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 3: I don't know. I have no idea. I have no idea.

1070
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 2: It'd be interesting to see you guys are facing by

1071
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 2: the time we get to training camp.

1072
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 1: Cam.

1073
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 2: Great to see you, happy early birthday, having blast in Jamaica,

1074
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: and we'll see you back here ready to roll in

1075
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 2: the spring.

1076
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 3: Sounds good man. I appreciate you guys, all.

1077
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 2: Right, that's Cam Lewis joining us here after putting pen

1078
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 2: to paper on his new two year contract to stay

1079
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 2: with the Buffalo Bills. Will take a break, be back

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Speaker 2: It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome to hour number two here as we

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Speaker 2: wait and sit less than two hours away from the

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00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 2: official start of the league year, when all deals for

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00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 2: new free agents will become official, and we wait on those. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: there is news across the league. We mentioned to you

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00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 2: how the Chargers have some cap cutting to do, and

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00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,720
Speaker 2: they begin with wide receiver Mike Williams. They are releasing

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00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 2: him and we'll see what happens. They do want to

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Speaker 2: sign him back on a new deal. No word on

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Speaker 2: whether that will happen or with whether some other team

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Speaker 2: swoops in and pays him big money, some team with

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Speaker 2: cap room and cap money to spend. There is another

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Speaker 2: Buffalo Bill going to Miami. We already mentioned in the

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Speaker 2: beginning of the show how Jordan Poyer is reportedly going

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Speaker 2: to be signing a contract with the Dolphins here after

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Speaker 2: his release from the Bills last week. Set to join

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Speaker 2: him down there. Saran Neil has apparently agreed to terms

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Speaker 2: on a contract with the Dolphins, so he will go

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Speaker 2: down there and undoubtedly be part of their special teams unit.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see if and when that becomes official, but

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Speaker 2: it looks like it's pointing in that direction. The pool

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Speaker 2: of safeties in free agency continues to get deeper. The

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00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 2: Bengals planned to release safety Nick Scott, who signed with

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00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 2: the team last year in free agency. After helping the

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Speaker 2: Rams win a Super Bowl. He helped fill the void

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Speaker 2: left behind by Von Bell and Jesse Bates, who left

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Speaker 2: the Bengals in free agency last offseason. He started for them,

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Speaker 2: so another starter. Now up to twenty nine total at

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00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 2: the beginning of the free agent period, twenty nine starting

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00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 2: safeties in the free agent pool. It's less now since

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00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 2: some safeties have signed since the negotiating window open, but

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Speaker 2: a diluted safety pool gets even deeper.

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Speaker 1: Crazy, Yeah, it is. I it's not going to stop.

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Speaker 1: The way the league is structured, some positions are just

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00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: going to be out. It's interesting too. The running back

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00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 1: market has been really interesting because some of these guys

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00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: signed for pretty good money by running back standards and

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Speaker 1: it's just like they just shuffle the cards.

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Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing is I see it NFL teams

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00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 2: with money to spend and positional needs that are not

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Speaker 2: well represented in the draft are overpaying in free agency

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Speaker 2: to fill those needs. I would say running back is

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Speaker 2: one position.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 2: The other one it's guard. It is not a good

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Speaker 2: interior O line class this year in the draft, and

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Speaker 2: so teams out there that need help in the middle

1130
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 2: are like, oh, jeez, I better pay for this guy.

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Speaker 2: Make sure I get them, because I'm not getting anybody

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Speaker 2: worth their salt in the draft that I can start

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Speaker 2: right away. And that's when you see over hey at

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Speaker 2: certain places like why are they paying this much for

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00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 2: a guard? Well, there aren't any to be had in

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Speaker 2: the draft, so you got to get your guy now

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00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 2: in free agency and pay for yeah.

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Speaker 1: And it's you know, Saquon Barkley, Josh Jacobs, Aaron Jones

1139
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: from the Packers, all these guys have hit the market

1140
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: and it's just switched teams. And you know the most notable,

1141
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: of course, Saquon Barkley. Going from New York down to Philly.

1142
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: It's like going to the neighbor you don't like and

1143
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: It's like sending one of your kids over there, right

1144
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: and they now he's gonna live with them. It's been

1145
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: it's been wild, and I think that's gonna be I

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00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: think right now that's gotta be certainly there. You can

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00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: pick out one thing, but as a position group, that's

1148
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: been the most surprising position group thus far in the

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00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: free in the free agency early negotiating window, is the

1150
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: fact that these these guys are finding spots and and

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00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: we knew, we heard, but it's not a good. It's

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00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: not a good the draft for running backs? Is it

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00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: gonna happen that if it dries up in the draft,

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00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: sooner or later, kids are gonna have to start being

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00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: wanting to play running back again. What do you mean, Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean we've seen it in all the good athletes

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00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: that want to play offense in the NFL. If you

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00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: don't throw it, you gotta catch it. Nobody wants to

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00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: run with it anymore. Oh, I see what you're saying, right, So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: all the young kids coming out with the great athletes

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Speaker 1: every year, the draft is full neck deep in really

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Speaker 1: good There's a handful of top quality kids that are

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00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: gonna come in Day one, Opening Day they're gonna be

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00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 1: on the field for their NFL team. There's like a

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00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: handful of them every year. That's unprecedented in decades past.

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Speaker 1: And now running backs are like, Eh, take him in

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00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 1: the third round, take him in the fourth round. Saquon Barkley.

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Speaker 1: The Giants were like, what are you doing? They took

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Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley in the first round, and while he's a

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Speaker 1: good player, he's not playing for the Giants anymore. So

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Speaker 1: my point is, are we at some point now the

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Speaker 1: pendulum swinging away from the running back? Now nobody wants

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Speaker 1: to play the position, right? Are they gonna? Is it

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Speaker 1: gonna be like, mall, maybe you get a guy that's good. Now,

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Speaker 1: maybe he is a unicorn and he doesn't command high

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Speaker 1: high money.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: That's that's a.

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Speaker 1: Philosophical I'm hurting my head talking about it. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: the guys that are in the league now are the

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Speaker 1: ones that seem the most valuable in this cycle. Not

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Speaker 1: the draft. It's been a light like I said, it's

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Speaker 1: been a light draft. Yeah, but the entire it seems

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Speaker 1: like the entire league pivoted, like in a heartbeat, and

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Speaker 1: now everybody wants one of the old guys that's already

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Speaker 1: done some stuff instead of the shiny, new fresh legs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it's hard to say. I don't know the

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Speaker 2: pendulum is ever gonna swing back. I know it's a

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Speaker 2: running back, I know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it is.

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Speaker 2: There's too many teams that need receivers. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: guess there could come a point in time where well,

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Speaker 2: there's two plot or demand out ways supply because nobody's

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Speaker 2: playing running back right at the same time, what are

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Speaker 2: we seeing more and more of Now we're seeing receivers

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Speaker 2: lining up in the backfield. Well, that's and doing that

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Speaker 2: kind of stuff in positionless football.

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Speaker 1: That Yeah, that's a different conversation. We've been talking about

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Speaker 1: that on both sides of the ball for a long time.

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Speaker 1: You get these linebackers slash safeties, slash corners, slot corners,

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Speaker 1: and they all start to be you know, Taron Johnson

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Speaker 1: is one of the most talked about defensive backs in

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Speaker 1: the league because dudes in the box. Yeah, he's he's

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Speaker 1: topically Yeah, and we've seen guys on on Twitter, these

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Speaker 1: analysts coming out saying, here's what everybody's trying to do

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Speaker 1: to the bills. They're pulling these guys around and they're

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Speaker 1: they're blocking it up. So they got a three hundred

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Speaker 1: pounder pulling around on Taron Johnson and ain't getting it done. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's why you know, Taron Johnson's like they let's go.

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Speaker 1: Teams can't do it. So that's why he's Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: why he's such a dog. That's why people talk about

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Speaker 1: Greg Cosel can't. He never ceases to talk about Taron Johnson.

1213
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Speaker 1: How competitive finger quotes competitive he is. He He's beaten

1214
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Speaker 1: the stew out of these guys coming around there. Right,

1215
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Speaker 1: He's making plays. So we've been talking about that positionless

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Speaker 1: football where these guys can do more than one thing.

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Speaker 1: Deebo Samuels, what a great story he has been because

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Speaker 1: you know why they line him up everywhere. They throw

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Speaker 1: it to him, handed to him, let him throw it,

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Speaker 1: let him catch it, all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: But to the point you were trying to make, I

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Speaker 2: don't think you're ever gonna run out of running back talent.

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Speaker 2: And here's why, because there are people like Devin Singletary

1224
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Speaker 2: who have no chance in the universe of playing wide

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Speaker 2: receiver at five foot six.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, one hundred and eighty five pounds or two hundred pounds,

1228
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Speaker 2: So what position does their body type fit? Running back?

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Speaker 1: But they're we're talking to about this, it's a different

1230
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: conversation and getting more philosophical about where the game is

1231
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: headed at the highest level. And you go back into

1232
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: into the into the you know history. Even you get

1233
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Speaker 1: a guy that can do a ton of stuff really

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01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: really well, like a Dion Sanders, you know, and even

1235
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: the guy you know, Aaron the tight end from New

1236
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 1: England who tragedy, who had the Aaron Hernandez. Aaron Hernandez

1237
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 1: could do a lot of things. They were They're these

1238
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 1: different athletes, Deebo, Samuel, Dion Sanders, all these guys that

1239
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: can do all this stuff. You can line them up

1240
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: in the backfield. Taysom Hill, great example, guy that can

1241
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Speaker 1: do more than one thing. So are you gonna get

1242
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Speaker 1: a bunch of guys sooner or later? And I'm I'm

1243
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 1: talking like, you know, we're getting philosophical. Do you have

1244
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: a sport where like, have you ever seen sprint football?

1245
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 2: I don't think I have.

1246
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 1: It's an ivy league thing. You can't weigh more than

1247
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty pounds, right, so that that's kind

1248
01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: of where the league's head. You can weigh whatever you want,

1249
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: but you've got these guys. They're all the same size,

1250
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 1: same guy, big, huge, strong athletes who can run. You

1251
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 1: can play any position you want, and all of a sudden,

1252
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 1: you got to sort through it. Right, So you got

1253
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: five eligible receivers and they're all the same guy, So

1254
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 1: you don't know what you're looking at defensively, and on

1255
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 1: defense you got to match it with the same thing, right.

1256
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 1: So that's where we're headed. With the defensive backs and

1257
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 1: the wide receivers, slash running backs, slash tight ends, slash safety,

1258
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 1: slash linebackers, slash corners. Everybody's gonna be the same guy. Okay,

1259
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: that's where football, that's where we're gonna head. That's where

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01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: we're gonna head.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea where it's gonna go, but we'll

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01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 2: think about it. We'll find out when we get there.

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01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 1: We got to think about the versatility of what you

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01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: could do offensively. We've got five guys, all of whom

1265
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: could take a snap or catch a ball, or run

1266
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: routes or block or pass whatever.

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Speaker 2: Or throw or throw maybe. Yeah, crazy to think about that.

1268
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 1: Why don't we just play rugby instead.

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Speaker 3: Let's do that.

1270
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Speaker 2: You could. Uh, it won't make as much money, but yeah,

1271
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Speaker 2: you could. I don't know. Let's go back to the

1272
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Speaker 2: phones and to Scott in Williamsville. What's up, Scott?

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01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 12: Hello, I just kind of want to know your opinion

1274
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 12: in that the type of receiver that we're looking for

1275
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 12: seems to be exactly what Gabe was at six two

1276
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 12: two twenty five. And I need to know who's wrong?

1277
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 12: Is that Jacksonville and Chad Hall? Because you have five

1278
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 12: games with zero receptions, multiple games with one, multiple with two,

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Speaker 12: multiple with three, and he signs for almost forty million

1280
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 12: dollars for three years. Yeah, so did the Bills misuse him?

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01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 12: Or is Jacksonville crazy? Because yeah, on pap, you know.

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Speaker 1: It's a fair question. It's a fair question, Scott. And

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01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 1: and you're right, he's well, he's the only caveat is

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01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:00,120
Speaker 1: the thing? The reason you say that, hey, lit and

1285
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: the only reason the Gabe is different the guy that

1286
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 1: we're looking for as a guy like Gabe, well sort of,

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01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 1: Gabe caught half the balls that were thrown to him.

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01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 1: He doesn't catch the ball well enough as a wide

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Speaker 1: receiver that's on the field more snap than any other

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Speaker 1: offensive player other than well, any other offensive player outside

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Speaker 1: the quarterback and offensive line. Of the five eligible receivers,

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Speaker 1: Gabe Davis took more snap than any player on the

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Speaker 1: Bills roster, and he did it for the last couple

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01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: of years. But he only catches half the footballs that

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01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 1: are thrown to him. That's an but outside of his

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Speaker 1: responsibilities as a receiver, everything else, Gabe is on point.

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Speaker 1: Big time blocker, big time locker room guy, makes other

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Speaker 1: players better, smart, works hard, practice is hard, prepares hard,

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Speaker 1: does the little things, all that stuff. He just doesn't

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Speaker 1: catch the ball.

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Speaker 2: Well enough, which is a problem if you're a wide receiver,

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Speaker 2: which is a problem.

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Speaker 1: If you're a wide out. That's it.

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Speaker 2: His career catch rate is fifty four and a half percent,

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01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 2: not good enough if he.

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Speaker 1: And I'll say this too, and we're seeing highlights here.

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Speaker 1: So he doesn't separate really well enough. He's not an

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Speaker 1: elite fast guy. He's fast, but he's not really fast

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Speaker 1: by NFL standards. So what the Bills are looking for

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Speaker 1: is a guy like Gabe, same size. They're looking for

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Speaker 1: a guy that catches the ball way better than he

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Speaker 1: does and separates way better than he does. Now, there's

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Speaker 1: no question that whoever they get is probably gonna have

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Speaker 1: some deficiencies in certain areas of their game compared to

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Speaker 1: Gabe Davis. Like maybe he's not as good a run blocker.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he's not as good, I don't know what, Maybe

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Speaker 1: he's whatever. Maybe he's not quite as big, but he

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Speaker 1: may be faster, and he probably catches the ball better

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Speaker 1: and he runs better routes. That's pretty important if you're

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Speaker 1: a wide receiver. But all that other stuff Gabe Davis

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Speaker 1: is very good at. But that's the comparison.

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Speaker 2: The deficiencies of his game are separation, catching the ball

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Speaker 2: with consistency, and I'm I mean, I'm just gonna be honest.

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Speaker 2: The guy was elevated to the number two wide out

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Speaker 2: after the four touchdown game against the Chiefs, and his

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01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 2: production only went up incrementally. I mean, his first two

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Speaker 2: years in the league, he's a thirty five reception guy,

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01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 2: six or seven touchdowns a year, and then in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty two, when he goes up to the number two

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01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:30,599
Speaker 2: receiving target, his targets go from sixty three in twenty

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01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 2: twenty one to ninety three in twenty twenty two. Fifty

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Speaker 2: his targets go up fifty percent. He had thirteen more receptions,

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Speaker 2: same number of touchdowns, and he had more yardage. But

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Speaker 2: I guess the point I'm trying to make is in

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01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 2: the four years that he was a Buffalo Bill, he

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01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:54,440
Speaker 2: pretty much was the same player throughout, whether his role increased,

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01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 2: whether his target share increased. And the most troubling thing

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Speaker 2: for me in a contract, your last season, seven games

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01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 2: out of seventeen he had one or no receptions in

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Speaker 2: the game. To me, that's not a thirteen million dollar

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01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 2: a year receiver. The Bills didn't have the money to

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01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:17,680
Speaker 2: pay him that anyway, even if they wanted to. But

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01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:21,640
Speaker 2: the lack of week to week consistency got to a

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01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 2: point where Josh Allen stopped throwing to him. I mean,

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01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 2: the last six games of the year, if he targeted

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01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 2: him more than twice a game, it was a lot.

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01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:34,680
Speaker 2: He couldn't rely on him to be open when he

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01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:38,679
Speaker 2: needed him. And what did we see. The ball started

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01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 2: going to Kincaid and Shakir at the end of the season.

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Speaker 2: That's what happened. And so I think they came to

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01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:48,679
Speaker 2: the conclusion that Gabe is what he is. There might

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01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:50,640
Speaker 2: be people out there that can get more out of him,

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01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:52,679
Speaker 2: and you know, more credit to you if he can.

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01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 2: And they might see, oh, he's only twenty four. He's

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01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 2: an as sending player. If you look at his numbers,

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Speaker 2: even with more targets, he's the same guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's that's.

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Speaker 2: What's most troubling for me.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's one of the things I think

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01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 1: most Bills fans get. They they're looking for a noticeable

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01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 1: leap or something, and he just disappears too much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: With the receiver class in the draft this year, the

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01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 2: Bills should be able to find somebody more than capable

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01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 2: of filling the number two role if they address it

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Speaker 2: early enough.

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Speaker 1: If you're a question about Jacksonville and Chad Hall, Gabe

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Speaker 1: may be the exact guy they're looking for. They're not gonna.

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01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 1: They don't want him to get one hundred targets. They're gonna,

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01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:38,680
Speaker 1: you know, they're gonna use him different way than the

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Speaker 1: Bills did. But the Bills, if you're gonna make him

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Speaker 1: number too, he's got to be the number two. He

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01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 1: can't beat a number four playing at the number two. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and that's it.

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Speaker 2: And I will say in the Buccaneers game, they used

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01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 2: Gabe for the first time ever on a lot of

1377
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 2: shorter and underneath routes and he finishes that game eight

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01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:59,600
Speaker 2: catches for ninety two yards. I can't remember if he

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01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 2: had touch on that game. If you want to use

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01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:07,639
Speaker 2: him in that role, maybe he is more productive that way,

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01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,640
Speaker 2: using him on shorter and intermediate routes rather than the

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01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 2: deep stuff where he's kind of shown you he is

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01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 2: what he is and he's not going to be much

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01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 2: more than that. So maybe if you use him in

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01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 2: a different way, you can get more out of him.

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01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,680
Speaker 2: And maybe that's Jacksonville's plan. Okay, good for you for

1387
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:24,640
Speaker 2: recognizing it, seeing it, and implementing it to make him

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01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 2: a better player his four years here, used in a

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01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 2: certain way, he did not level up when his role

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01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 2: got bigger. So that's why it's hard for me to

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01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 2: justify spending that kind of money on a player like that.

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01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 2: You should should you want more?

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01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 1: Yes?

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01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 2: Could you get more out of him? No? So you

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01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 2: don't pay him more? Right, I mean, that's just the business.

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01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 2: That's just good business as far as I'm concerned. Maybe

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01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:55,759
Speaker 2: I'm wrong.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he lights it up in Jacksonville. That's where he's at.

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Speaker 1: And Scott that's your idea. That's it. That's why he

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01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 1: keeps saying we're gonna get a guy that kind of

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01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 1: physically looks like Gabe, maybe even a little bigger.

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01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 2: Well, Mac Collins physically looks like.

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01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,599
Speaker 1: Gabe, justin shorter looks is bigger than Gabe.

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01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 2: I'll put it to you this way. Mac Hollins in

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01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 2: the last two years played for David Carr and was

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01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 2: buried on the depth chart. Last year in Atlanta and

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01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 2: played with a quarterback named Desmond Ritter. He had ninety

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01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 2: four receptions for nine hundred and forty one yards the

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01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 2: last two seasons. Gabe Davis had ninety three receptions and

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01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 2: almost sixteen hundred yards playing for playing with one of

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01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:37,559
Speaker 2: the best two quarterbacks in the game, right, So, and

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01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 2: he played more snaps than anybody to Steve's point, So

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01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 2: there's a There are a number of ways to look

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01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 2: at it. Maybe it's apples and oranges. Mac Collins has

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01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:51,799
Speaker 2: one more reception than Gabe Davis does, and I'll venture

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01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 2: to guess he played two thirds the snaps that gave

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01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 2: Davis did.

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01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:58,720
Speaker 1: And that's it. I mean, and we've been talking about

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01:12:58,760 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: him a lot, and a lot of people forget about

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01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 1: I'm Tyrell Shavers and Justin Shorter are on the roster.

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01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: Tyrell Shavers six four to two eleven and of course,

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01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 1: uh Justin Shorter six ' four to two something like

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01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 1: that too. So yeah, that's it's a trait that they're

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01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,680
Speaker 1: looking for in that spot. And a lot of it

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01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 1: comes down to something very simple. When you break the

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01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 1: huddle and you got a big body dude coming out

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01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: of that huddle on one side as a wide receiver,

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01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 1: the defense has to deal with it. They're not gonna

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01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 1: put a small dB out on him. They're not gonna

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01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 1: put a short guy on him. You dictate to the

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01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 1: to the defense that you got one of those guys

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01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to deal with it. That's why

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01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 1: sometimes they'll split kinkaid out there or knocks out there.

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01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 1: That it all, it all is part of the fact

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01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:44,600
Speaker 1: you need a guy. You need a guy to do

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01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 1: that as a wide out, not a tight end, not

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01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 1: a running back.

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Speaker 2: And I just want to be clear, this isn't a

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01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:52,759
Speaker 2: segment to to pooh pooh the exploits of Gabe Davis.

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01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 2: He did his level best when he was here. Guy

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01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:57,720
Speaker 2: worked his tail off, tried to get better. But for

1442
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 2: whatever reason, the production never went on the ascent to

1443
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 2: any great degree in it's four years here, and I

1444
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 2: think that's part of why the Bills, well, the cap

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01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 2: situation was one of the reasons why they couldn't compete

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01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 2: for him. But even if they could, I'm not one

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01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 2: hundred percent certain they would have not to the level

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01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 2: of thirteen million ascents.

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01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 1: There's no guarantees ever gonna be anything different than what

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01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 1: he has been. And if you're gonna and if he's

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01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:24,720
Speaker 1: gonna play more snaps than any skill position player on

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01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:28,800
Speaker 1: the team except Josh, you got you gotta produce better.

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01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 2: We got to take a break here. When we come back,

1454
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 2: we'll take more of your phone calls as we're making

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01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 2: our way up to the start of the new league year.

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01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 2: At four PM, Got any questions about free agency? The

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01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:43,720
Speaker 2: Bills roster hit us up at eight oh three five

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01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 2: point fifty. Got some open lines for you there or

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01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 2: on the tweets sheet at one Bills Live. May even

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01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 2: have a little time for some NFL true false. When

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Speaker 2: we return here on one Bills Live, presented by Colid

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Speaker 2: of Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right back here

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Speaker 2: on one Bills Live, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you

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01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:15,719
Speaker 2: and just talking about the goings on in free agency

1465
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 2: in case you're just joining us. Sure you've seen by

1466
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 2: now that the Bills have reportedly agreed to terms with

1467
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 2: linebacker Nicholas Morrow from the Eagles and with wide receiver

1468
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 2: Mac Collins, who spent last year with the Atlanta Falcons.

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01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 2: Both reportedly one year deals. So we'll wait for confirmation

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01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:35,479
Speaker 2: on that, maybe as soon as four pm today when

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Speaker 2: the league year officially begins. And we also passed along

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Speaker 2: the report that Saran Neil is going to be joining

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01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 2: the Dolphins on a new contract down there. This a

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01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:49,720
Speaker 2: little bit less than a day after we heard reports

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01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 2: that Jordan Poyer will be signing a one year deal

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01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 2: with the Dolphins as well, after both were released by

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01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 2: the Bills last week. So that's the long and short

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01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:01,719
Speaker 2: of it. Other than Mike Williams being released by the Chargers.

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01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:03,680
Speaker 2: They do want him back on a new contract, but

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01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 2: whether that happens remains to be seen. They are cap

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01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 2: complyiant as of this moment, saving twenty million on the

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01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 2: cap by releasing Williams, but if they want to do

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01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 2: any business, they're probably gonna have to make some other moves,

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01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 2: and that's why they believe Joey Boson Khalil Mack could

1485
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 2: also be on the chopping block out there, so we'll

1486
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 2: stay tuned for that. In the meantime, we go back

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Speaker 2: to the phones where we have open lines for you

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Speaker 2: at eight h three zero five fifty one eighty eight

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Speaker 2: five fifty two five fifty And to Ryan in Toronto,

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Speaker 2: what's up? Ryan?

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Speaker 5: Hey, guys, I love this show. I just have a comment.

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Speaker 5: I'm not a big fan of these incentive signings. So

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01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 5: we gonna say that Bill's are a good team to

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01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:45,599
Speaker 5: make the playoffs this year, save the incentives. If they don't,

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01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 5: if they new hit, and if the bill don't go far,

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01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 5: all those incentive are going to hit the center cap

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01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 5: next season. What's the point to save it? Hit the

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01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 5: gunner draft, hope for the best this year if now

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Speaker 5: you know, save that money and then go bit next season.

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01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 5: That's what I got to see.

1501
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 2: So you don't get right. So he doesn't want incentive

1502
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 2: Leyden contracts. Often that's the difference between landing a player

1503
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 2: and not when you're on a tight budget.

1504
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 1: I got I get it. Ryan. Here's the thing I

1505
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 1: think about and it seems to me most a lot

1506
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:17,719
Speaker 1: of people I suppose to speak to thinking like about

1507
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 1: it like this paying these guys, and I get it too.

1508
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:22,639
Speaker 1: Cheap Labor's cheap labor. If you're gonna get a rookie

1509
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:24,599
Speaker 1: on a rookie contract and he plays well, he's always

1510
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 1: gonna outplay his contract, no question about it. That's a

1511
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 1: better idea. But you only get even if you get

1512
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 1: a year like this for the bills, you get eleven guys,

1513
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:35,600
Speaker 1: that's not enough. You gotta have fifty three of them.

1514
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 1: And some of these guys you don't want, you're gonna

1515
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 1: pay and they won't live up to it. But if

1516
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 1: you if you give him incentive layden contracts, at least

1517
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 1: you get what you pay for. You know, if you're

1518
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 1: gonna if you get a guy with three sacks but

1519
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:51,679
Speaker 1: you paid him like he's supposed to get fifteen sacks,

1520
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:55,799
Speaker 1: you know that's a problem. But if he gets fifteen sacks,

1521
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 1: paying for fifteen sacks, I don't have a problem with that.

1522
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 1: To me, that's a better way to go. You you

1523
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 1: take off the you know the inefficiencies of your money

1524
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 1: getting spent, you spend for them, what you get get

1525
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 1: what you pay for, and I think that's a better

1526
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 1: way to go. So I don't know that you know,

1527
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you, But there's nothing but you're

1528
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:19,599
Speaker 1: right about this one thing. If you if you got

1529
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 1: a bunch of draft picks, pick the right guys so

1530
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 1: they all make the team. It helps you on the

1531
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 1: cap an enormous amount helps you on the cap. Their

1532
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 1: cheap labor, and if they're playing, well, hey, you'd be

1533
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 1: happy to play them on the second goal around, but

1534
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 1: you get them for four years out of the gate,

1535
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 1: let's go. I'm with you on that, but for this

1536
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 1: free agency period, I'm more inclined to do it. For

1537
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 1: guys who are in the league. That way, you always

1538
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 1: they always have a chance to only you pay them

1539
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:46,640
Speaker 1: for what they're worth. That's really the key to this

1540
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 1: whole thing. Pay them for at least what they're worth,

1541
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 1: and in certain cases, pay them less than their worth

1542
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 1: because they outplay their contract. That's how you win. That's

1543
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 1: how you win and win championships. That's you know, put it.

1544
01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 1: I put it another way you can, but that's that's

1545
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 1: basically it.

1546
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, And a lot of times when you're on a

1547
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 2: budgetary approach, like the bills are the incentives that you

1548
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 2: are putting in the contract are usually not gigantic anyway,

1549
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 2: so that even if the incentives do come do and

1550
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:22,599
Speaker 2: go on your cap for the next year, they're usually

1551
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 2: not franchise altering, shall we say. There are other examples

1552
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 2: where that is the case, But with the kind of

1553
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 2: signings the bills are anticipated to make here through this

1554
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 2: free agency period, I don't get the sense that they're

1555
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 2: going to be make or break incentives on Buffalo's cap

1556
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 2: going forward. Let's head back to the phones and we

1557
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:45,719
Speaker 2: go to Patrick in north Tonawanda. Next. What's up, Patrick?

1558
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1559
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 13: Can you hear me?

1560
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:48,760
Speaker 2: Yes? We can.

1561
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1562
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 13: So I'm really concerned that you guys keep everyone keeps

1563
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 13: saying how wide receiver is our number one need? And

1564
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 13: I totally disagree with that. We've got Josh Allen. He's

1565
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 13: one of the best QB's in the league. He can

1566
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:07,720
Speaker 13: throw to anybody. We've got two first round picks, We've

1567
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 13: got you know, Gigs and then the new tight end.

1568
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 13: We've got two number ones on our team that he

1569
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 13: can throw to. Plus we've got Shakir, We've got Hardy.

1570
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:19,960
Speaker 13: He can throw to anybody. And like you said, in

1571
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 13: the past we used to have Beasley. We can get

1572
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:25,720
Speaker 13: like an older receiver for cheap money that Josh can

1573
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 13: just throw the ball dump it off to. I really

1574
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 13: think our number one need is defensive line. Everybody knows

1575
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 13: defense wins championships, and one of these days we keep

1576
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 13: drafting number one on defensive line, we're going to hit

1577
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 13: another Bruce Smith. It comes around once in a generation,

1578
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 13: but there's another Bruce Smith out there for us.

1579
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1580
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I don't dismiss the fact that defensive

1581
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 2: line is a need and a big one. Just from

1582
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 2: a sheer numbers perspective. I would agree with you, and

1583
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:58,040
Speaker 2: it wouldn't shock me at all if the Bills go

1584
01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:02,200
Speaker 2: defensive line in round one, whether it's edge or a

1585
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:06,720
Speaker 2: defensive sackle, because both spots, you know, need to be fortified.

1586
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 2: But I'll disagree with you the defense wins championships. I mean,

1587
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 2: you do need to have a good defense, But I

1588
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:16,479
Speaker 2: think Patrick Mahomes has proved three times in the last

1589
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 2: five years, doesn't matter what the hell defense you have,

1590
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 2: because if you can score, you're gonna win. And that's

1591
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 2: basically what Patrick Mahomes did. I've run down the list

1592
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 2: before on this show. Look at their playoff run this year.

1593
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 2: They beat the number four scoring defense in football, the Bills.

1594
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 2: They beat the number nine scoring defense in football, the Dolphins.

1595
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:38,800
Speaker 2: They beat the number one scoring defense in football in

1596
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 2: points allowed, the Ravens, And they beat the number five

1597
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 2: scoring defense in foot or the number two scoring defense

1598
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 2: in football, the San Francisco forty nine ers in the

1599
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. So I mean, you could tell me defense

1600
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 2: wins championships all you want, and I'll just tell you

1601
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 2: you got to have a very good defense. You can't

1602
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:56,839
Speaker 2: be the middle of the road or a crappy defense

1603
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 2: if you want to win the Super Bowl. But your

1604
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:02,120
Speaker 2: top five defense and you can have one still not

1605
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 2: winning offense wins now.

1606
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:09,080
Speaker 1: And I'll say this too, Patrick, You're right, there's gonna

1607
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 1: be another great player out there somewhere in the defensive line,

1608
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:14,679
Speaker 1: and you keep drafting those guys number one. Listen, Bruce.

1609
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:16,800
Speaker 1: I mean, just put it this way. I disagree with you.

1610
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 1: One thing. You ain't finding another Bruce. He ain't out there.

1611
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 1: That guy is not coming down the pipe. Bruce was

1612
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 1: the number one overall pick and played like it from

1613
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 1: day one for twenty years. For twenty years, he got

1614
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:34,680
Speaker 1: two hundred sacked, two hundred sacks. Ain't there ain't no

1615
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 1: Bruce Smith coming down the line anytime. And he's a unicorn,

1616
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:42,720
Speaker 1: one of a kind. He was supremely gifted, and he

1617
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 1: when he when he was on, he was on, and

1618
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:48,639
Speaker 1: he practiced like he was on. I mean, the guy

1619
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 1: was all of it. You ain't gonna find another Bruce Smith.

1620
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 1: There isn't gonna be another Bruce Smith ever. You can

1621
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:59,839
Speaker 1: hit on a guy. But even today in today's league,

1622
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:02,920
Speaker 1: hitting on a guy's what is it? Nick Bosa, Joey Bosa?

1623
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:06,719
Speaker 1: Is it? JJ Watt, TJ Watt? Those guys are great,

1624
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 1: they're doing good. Neither of them has won a championship. Yeah,

1625
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 1: we get into this wide receiver training, and brown and

1626
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:18,639
Speaker 1: I are both on board with it because of this

1627
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 1: at the end of the last two seasons. So this

1628
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 1: is kind of the era we're in. I'm all listen

1629
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 1: to having my mind change. But here's the era that

1630
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 1: we're in. It's an arms race offense. You gotta score

1631
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 1: against a top five defense, like Brownie is talking about,

1632
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 1: you gotta have it. Just stay on the You gotta

1633
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:37,680
Speaker 1: stay on the field, get first downs and be productive

1634
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 1: and score points on a top five NFL defense every week.

1635
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:44,639
Speaker 1: You gotta be that good. You gotta be that good

1636
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:47,680
Speaker 1: when when you have an off day, it bet you

1637
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 1: got to be able to score points. When you have

1638
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:51,600
Speaker 1: an off day. You still got to stay on the

1639
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:53,840
Speaker 1: field and make first downs. When you have an off day,

1640
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 1: you still gotta win. The Bills have been able to

1641
01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 1: do that in large measure, but you know they have

1642
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:03,080
Speaker 1: to get over the hump. They've been outscored in games

1643
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 1: they played, not out defense in my opinion. So you

1644
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 1: can take that for what you want. And you know

1645
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:12,720
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, you can say they change their identity and

1646
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 1: now their defense has been a bigger part of what

1647
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 1: they do. Let me tell you something. They ain't doing

1648
01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 1: nothing without that offense. And Andy Reid and Travis Kelcey

1649
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 1: and Pat and then they got Pacheco the US And

1650
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:26,479
Speaker 1: you're right, you make a great point about Kincaid and

1651
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:31,720
Speaker 1: Diggs and James Cook. They do have the weapons that

1652
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 1: they can go the distance, and Josh gives them an

1653
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 1: extra added something special. They're good and they're gonna be

1654
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:42,160
Speaker 1: good offensively, whether they line up Michael Thomas at their

1655
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 1: number two this year or a high powered draft pick

1656
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 1: or whatever. They're still they're gonna be good no matter

1657
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,720
Speaker 1: who they line up out there. But you're looking to

1658
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:51,680
Speaker 1: get as good as you can possibly be because you're

1659
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:53,559
Speaker 1: trying to go for the whole marbles. And when you

1660
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 1: get into a game against the Kansas City Chiefs again

1661
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 1: in the playoffs again, whether it's here or in their building,

1662
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 1: you want to be able to make that one more play.

1663
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:06,840
Speaker 1: That's the whole the whole shooting match. Let's all face it,

1664
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:08,880
Speaker 1: The whole shoot match comes down to that one more

1665
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:10,760
Speaker 1: play that we make that that guy doesn't. We haven't

1666
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:12,560
Speaker 1: been able to do it yet in the postseason. In

1667
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 1: the Raidar season, we do it. In the postseason, we

1668
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 1: haven't done it yet. And that's the one that matters.

1669
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 2: Right, And I think more importantly, you have Stefan Diggs

1670
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 2: who's entering his age thirty season and he's been wildly

1671
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 2: productive for this team, but each of the last two

1672
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 2: years he's tailed off in the second half of the season,

1673
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:29,960
Speaker 2: and I think it's a warning sign that you have

1674
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 2: to invest now in a draft that is extraordinarily deep

1675
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 2: at receiver, which even picking at twenty eight should a

1676
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:40,680
Speaker 2: forge you the opportunity to draft a receiver who can

1677
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 2: help you right away number one, and then by year two,

1678
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:47,000
Speaker 2: potentially as soon as twenty twenty five, can assume the

1679
01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:49,880
Speaker 2: number one receiver role on this team when Diggs can

1680
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 2: no longer fill it. That's another reason that you take

1681
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:55,880
Speaker 2: one early in a year that's strong at receiver. And

1682
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:59,680
Speaker 2: I'll give you a third reason. Josh Allen was his

1683
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:03,680
Speaker 2: most productive and most efficient as a quarterback for this

1684
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:08,320
Speaker 2: football team in twenty twenty. He completed sixty nine percent

1685
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 2: of his passes. Think he had like forty four touchdowns

1686
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 2: through for almost forty eight hundred yards, and was second

1687
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:19,760
Speaker 2: in the MVP voting. And why, big reason why? And

1688
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 2: they didn't even have a running game that year. The

1689
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 2: big reason why. They had John Brown, they had Stefan Diggs,

1690
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:30,880
Speaker 2: they had Cole Beasley, I mean, and Gabe Davis was

1691
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:34,439
Speaker 2: your four and he was a seven touchdown receiver right

1692
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 2: because he was getting one on one matchups left, right

1693
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:39,439
Speaker 2: and center. Because of those other three guys, you have

1694
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:43,639
Speaker 2: not come close to that kind of a quartet since

1695
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 2: twenty twenty. You want to get the most out of

1696
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 2: Josh Allen, give him weapons and he'll get you over

1697
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:50,480
Speaker 2: the hump against.

1698
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:53,519
Speaker 1: Patch say this too, you're right running. I'll listen to

1699
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:55,720
Speaker 1: the you know the you know the guy. We got

1700
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:57,680
Speaker 1: enough guys now and it's doing great, and you know

1701
01:26:57,680 --> 01:27:00,280
Speaker 1: it's not going to be like it wasn't four years ago.

1702
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:03,920
Speaker 1: But this, Josh is a great race, or no question

1703
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 1: about it. He's gonna elevate everybody on the team. But

1704
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:08,759
Speaker 1: you got to you gotta walk into it with as

1705
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:10,760
Speaker 1: as many bullets in your gun as you can get.

1706
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 1: And it's an arms race. So I think too, if

1707
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 1: it's if we're if everything happens the way we kind

1708
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 1: of expect it too as casual fans, Diggs has been

1709
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 1: really has started the year out, this last year awesome,

1710
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Speaker 1: and then changed offensive coordinators, targets changed, and he dropped off,

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01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:30,760
Speaker 1: and everybody's like, wow, what's wrong with his Steph is?

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of it had to do with

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Speaker 1: Joe Brady, and but if it comes to that, it

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Speaker 1: is because he's thirty. You need a young guy there

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01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 1: that's rising at the same time Steph's levels off. It's

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01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 1: time if they're going to pass that torch, get the

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Speaker 1: guy in the building, because it takes time to do that.

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Speaker 1: So that's why the receiver at number one makes sense

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01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:54,360
Speaker 1: to me because you've got to have a guy that's

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Speaker 1: watching and coming and all of a sudden, by week

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Speaker 1: eight or ten, he's an NFL guy. He's not a

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Speaker 1: college kid in the NFL. He's an inn NFL guy

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. And he can start getting twelve targets

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Speaker 1: a game instead of six targets a game as a

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Speaker 1: number two if that, If indeed Steph does level off

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Speaker 1: again this year, And.

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Speaker 2: Just to be clear, I know we got to go

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01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:14,959
Speaker 2: to break here. They we're not saying ignore defense. Defensive

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Speaker 2: line is priority. It's probably number two for me, right

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Speaker 2: behind that receiver spot. Once you get the receiver spot,

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01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:22,600
Speaker 2: Phil take care of the defense time and time and

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Speaker 2: time again in the draft. I don't care, but you

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01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 2: got to get that answer on offense, you really do,

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Speaker 2: not just for now, but for the future. As soon

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Speaker 2: as twenty twenty five. Gotta take a break. We'll take

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Speaker 2: another phone call when we come back. Tyler and Hamburger

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Speaker 2: lead us off here on one Bill's Live Stay tuned.

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Speaker 2: WG got another Bills update as another Bills defensive back

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01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 2: is going to be signing elsewhere. It appears Jeremy Fowler

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Speaker 2: from ESPN and Tom Pelacerro from NFL Network, both reporting

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Speaker 2: that Dame Jackson has agreed to terms with the Carolina Panthers.

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Speaker 2: So it looks like another Bill's dB is headed elsewhere.

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Speaker 2: Let's quickly go to Tyler in Hamburg. Tyler, you got

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Speaker 2: thirty seconds. What do you got for us?

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Speaker 9: Real quick?

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna switch up a little bit.

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Speaker 6: I would suggest to we.

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Speaker 4: Definitely need defense of the football team only because you're

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Speaker 4: talking numbers about other teams, but the Chiefs defense was

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01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 4: like two or three in totally yards per game. The

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Speaker 4: other difference is they have Patrick Mahomes. That's a difference.

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Speaker 4: That's why you gotta go defense, because Patrick Mahomes is

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Speaker 4: a difference maker. No one has Patrick Mahomes. Josh is amazing,

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01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:37,720
Speaker 4: but Patrick Mahomes is a difference maker. Yeah, gotta look

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Speaker 4: at defense.

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Speaker 2: I get what you're saying. We're not saying to ignore defense, Tyler.

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Speaker 2: But if Patrick Mahomes is one and one, it was

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Speaker 2: one of one, do what you can to help Josh

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01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 2: be make it two of two. Give him more to

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Speaker 2: make him just as good as Mahomes. Hope.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see at the end of the day.

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Speaker 2: That's it for us today o'clock. We'll see you tomorrow

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Speaker 2: at one