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Speaker 3: Bringing you three episodes a week, Yes Saturday. In today's episode,
Speaker 3: We've been patient. You've been patient. Other people didn't respect
Speaker 3: your time and wait for you to go and see
Speaker 3: the movie, but we did, and that is why right
Speaker 3: now we are going to have a spoiler filled roundtable discussion.
Speaker 3: We know more if you have probably seen it at
Speaker 3: least once, maybe twice if you're in our discord now,
Speaker 3: but it is going to be full of spoilless, huge
Speaker 3: story spoilers, huge character spoilers, So be wet. We are
Speaker 3: going to bring in Joel and Aaron to fill out
Speaker 3: the roundtable and Jason is going to Spidery swing us
Speaker 3: through this incredible movie.
Speaker 1: Spyder around brand new day, historic box office opening well Rosie.
Speaker 1: You and I predicted what the box office would be,
Speaker 1: and we thought we were on the high end, and
Speaker 1: it became clear by Friday afternoon that we were going.
Speaker 2: To be on the low end. The question was how low.
Speaker 1: We're now looking at a massive sub billion dollar opening
Speaker 1: weekend global, so huge, huge dollar amount. It's actually fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: The movie's out, lots to talk about. Let's welcome for
Speaker 1: this roundtable super producers Joel and Aaron to the program. Joel,
Speaker 1: how are you.
Speaker 4: Ready to talk about this movie? Guys?
Speaker 5: I had big feels. I stand a new white man.
Speaker 5: This is a rare curR. We're just here.
Speaker 3: Crazy crazy times. She's not the only one, guys, It's
Speaker 3: happening all over thought.
Speaker 1: Yes, Aaron, welcome to the program. How are you?
Speaker 2: Thank you? I'm great. I'm really curious to know which
Speaker 2: white man it is because I feel like there are
Speaker 2: two possible choices.
Speaker 6: Okay, woa wow that Breadthall as Spider Man Brunhaal.
Speaker 1: We are approaching peak Burnhall. With the recent viral videos
Speaker 1: showing John Berthall. It would appeared to be the West
Speaker 1: fourth Street cages. I couldn't it looked like West fourth Street,
Speaker 1: but I might be wrong hooping' with just people in
Speaker 1: the area. It's like the Marvel universe is real, becoming
Speaker 1: Spider Man off the real world.
Speaker 3: Ironically, with the way he's interacting with his friendly Namehood
Speaker 3: to give.
Speaker 5: Logan has to join him out on that basketball court
Speaker 5: and recreates. And that's the ninety seven scenes.
Speaker 3: Yes, I also want to say, like we will get
Speaker 3: into it more, but I mean burnhaal.
Speaker 7: We all know how I got complicated feelings.
Speaker 3: But goddamn, Aaron, you're not wrong, Like he makes a
Speaker 3: good argument to become a Bernhall stand in this Rewatching
Speaker 3: it last night with my nephew. Their chemistry is unbelievable.
Speaker 3: I was balling way more than I was the first time.
Speaker 1: It has come to my attention that Bernhall on some
Speaker 1: film that they were the Tom and he were working
Speaker 1: on together, that Bernhall was the one who likes filmed
Speaker 1: better than that Tom's Tom Spider Man.
Speaker 3: On this tape, Tom filmed, Franks for Tom filmed, but
Speaker 3: John's for Punisher. So they've had this unbelievable journey together.
Speaker 3: And not just that, it was actually John who told
Speaker 3: Tom to backflip into the scene and also make us
Speaker 3: stand out and then he also was the one who
Speaker 3: came up. Because this video is very viral, It's been
Speaker 3: watched many times. John was the one who randomly threw
Speaker 3: his boot at him so that he could pretend you know, wow,
Speaker 3: I think this is to see them together like this.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if you guys have watched the Hot
Speaker 3: Ones video yet. Yeah, but yes, I saw a great
Speaker 3: tweet that somebody did. I think it was actually a
Speaker 3: thread or whatever, but it was, like she said, you know,
Speaker 3: there's something about seeing men be really emotionally vulnerable while
Speaker 3: they're in physical pain that really does it for me.
Speaker 3: That video is pure that like they're they're telling each
Speaker 3: other their favorite things about each other and that what
Speaker 3: they've seen each other grow over the last ten years
Speaker 3: while just like crying in agony.
Speaker 7: It's delightful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like usually you only get that kind of
Speaker 1: uh content in an episode out of Summerhouse when the
Speaker 1: party has ended and they're draining the last of their
Speaker 1: lover boy hard self exactly.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, Jason. It was some real emotional
Speaker 3: reality TV situation.
Speaker 1: Let's start here, because it's been much theorized. Who cities
Speaker 1: think was playing I think let's just it was quite click.
Speaker 1: Let's finally rip the band up like she is Jane Gray.
Speaker 1: When she said it, there was a ripple of excitement
Speaker 1: that went through my audience.
Speaker 3: For sure, people were like it was awesome. They I think,
Speaker 3: was all that too, like they say Geene Elizabeth Gray.
Speaker 3: I was not one hundred percent sure they would fully
Speaker 3: just commit like that. But yeah, our press screening was
Speaker 3: kind of crazy. The weird thing was when I saw
Speaker 3: it in Orlando last night, nobody reacted like nobody knew
Speaker 3: who she was, but they still loved the movie, you know.
Speaker 3: And I think that's the kind of big crossover thing
Speaker 3: is for fans. That means something For people who had
Speaker 3: just randomly watching in a CityWalk universal, they just thought
Speaker 3: it was a cool character.
Speaker 1: Now, in our discord, there has been some conversation about,
Speaker 1: and I've seen online some conversation too from various comic
Speaker 1: critics and stuff saying, well, that's nothing like what Gene is.
Speaker 8: Like.
Speaker 1: Gene is a warm and caring and generous character. This
Speaker 1: Gene is like killing, throwing people into the street to
Speaker 1: be run over by truck.
Speaker 7: Sorry, and.
Speaker 1: This, that and the other. So I wanted to ask
Speaker 1: what our feelings are about this depiction of Jean Gray
Speaker 1: and her powers.
Speaker 7: Rosie, thank you, Jason.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you because I have many feelings about this.
Speaker 3: I thought this was actually stunning. I got to tell you. Look,
Speaker 3: we've seen Jean Gray brought to life so many times
Speaker 3: on screen, right, We've seen the Phoenix.
Speaker 7: We've seen these.
Speaker 3: Huge kind of cosmic powers where she has no agency.
Speaker 3: We've seen Charles controlling her. There is a line in
Speaker 3: this movie where Jeene says, the only one who will
Speaker 3: wheel this power will be me, and that is what
Speaker 3: this is about. It is about Jane finding way to
Speaker 3: subhass And also, look, do do psychics in the Marvel
Speaker 3: Comics universe use their powers like this?
Speaker 7: Like this is not really a gene power.
Speaker 3: I understand that, but I thought the way that they
Speaker 3: adapted it and suggested it made a lot of sense,
Speaker 3: like the hopping into people's heads very specifically. People are like, well,
Speaker 3: maybe that isn't it, But I thought here they did
Speaker 3: a great job of explaining it.
Speaker 7: I didn't mind that they made Sarah a mutant that in.
Speaker 3: The comics she's a Gene's sister, but she's like a
Speaker 3: human who's really pro mutants, but she does get killed.
Speaker 3: But I think, really it's all about Sadie Sink and
Speaker 3: she sold this to me, and also I'm sorry. And
Speaker 3: even my twelve year old nephew he said the same
Speaker 3: thing to me last night that I thought the first
Speaker 3: time I saw this movie. If you have a sister,
Speaker 3: if you have a sibling, gene doesn't go too hard.
Speaker 3: I would do this shit in a fucking second. I
Speaker 3: don't give a shit. You fucking take my little sister
Speaker 3: and you fucking start doing experiments on her. Sorry, I'm
Speaker 3: a teenager and I've got psychic now. Is like the
Speaker 3: people in the MCU like they go, oh, how is
Speaker 3: she redeemable?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 7: Excuse me?
Speaker 3: That's well years Brody killed so many people, and you fucking.
Speaker 1: Can we just can we just as a group put
Speaker 1: a put a body count on it. She she freezes
Speaker 1: some section of the city that's like maybe.
Speaker 7: It's a komita around so.
Speaker 1: There's probably like a million and a half people in there.
Speaker 1: You would assume that maybe some of them who had
Speaker 1: underlying conditions didn't make it in any it's yeah, in
Speaker 1: the in the car craw in the car chase across
Speaker 1: the city.
Speaker 3: That's definitely the one guy that she just kills.
Speaker 1: It's just let's just put an estimated body count. Jean Craig,
Speaker 1: Jean Gray killed how many people estimated by extra.
Speaker 4: Five and twelve.
Speaker 7: I was gonna say, I'm going on the low end.
Speaker 3: I think it's actually kind of low because the power
Speaker 3: is immense when she's in when she has them in
Speaker 3: the bubble, and I think I will say, here, you
Speaker 3: know they're in the bubble for like, and you know
Speaker 3: what sells how powerful the bubble is. It's Zendaya's fucking
Speaker 3: amazing acting. Glada Boo is not here to counteract me
Speaker 3: because when she one one fucking tear rolling down her face.
Speaker 7: When I watched that last night in.
Speaker 3: The front row as twelve year old water stick kids
Speaker 3: will want to be, I was really looking at her like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, this picture's face acting like crazy.
Speaker 1: He was laughing, he was laughing.
Speaker 7: He was like, awful, I'm so glad she's crying.
Speaker 3: I think Jean's powers are like immense and terrifying in
Speaker 3: the same way that start witches are.
Speaker 7: But like, I think it's five to twelve at the most.
Speaker 1: I think Joel, you're right, Okay, twelve, Yes, Joelle, your
Speaker 1: thought any thoughts about Jean Gray? Do you have any
Speaker 1: issues with her depiction?
Speaker 5: No, I really enjoyed this Jean Gray for a couple
Speaker 5: of reasons. One, I think getting into like what are
Speaker 5: the mutants and what makes them different? And like challenging,
Speaker 5: like to set it off here like hey, your your
Speaker 5: family could get kidnapped off the street and experimented and
Speaker 5: disappeared and killed. Wow, super relatable, some stuff happening, kind
Speaker 5: of important. I think like starting off on a darker
Speaker 5: edge for the mutants is smart. I think teenagers are
Speaker 5: notoriously reckless, and I think if you've been abandoned and
Speaker 5: aloneer tend to be more reckless. So this makes sense.
Speaker 5: And then for the power set and how it works,
Speaker 5: you know, I just think they had to find a
Speaker 5: way to visualize it. It can't just be the two
Speaker 5: fingers to the head all of the time we've seen it.
Speaker 5: People are kind of done with it. She's not bending
Speaker 5: and moving metal and stuff, So to do it with
Speaker 5: this sort of like these dancers in the movement. I
Speaker 5: thought the movement was really effective sense of like distance
Speaker 5: and stuff. So yeah, No, I I loved it. I
Speaker 5: thought that worked really well.
Speaker 4: So I'm excited.
Speaker 5: I'm glad this is Arjane Gray. I think it brings
Speaker 5: up a lot of casting questions on what the future
Speaker 5: of the X Men are going to look like, how
Speaker 5: is that going to work out? But I'm excited to
Speaker 5: like figure it out and it feels like it's in
Speaker 5: good hands.
Speaker 4: I like this characterization of her.
Speaker 2: Aaron. Yeah, I want to go back, Jason to your
Speaker 2: question about numbers here. I will say making it Roosevelt
Speaker 2: Island was a choice. There is very close by New
Speaker 2: York Presbyterian, Uh, just across the water, so that hospital
Speaker 2: is close. Why didn't they make this Governor's Island? That
Speaker 2: would have been pretty hospital free.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Stratton Island is chose, but that would
Speaker 1: probably all be like that's fine.
Speaker 2: Like another reason for it in the universe joke about
Speaker 2: Staten Island if they did something there. I love that.
Speaker 2: I was so I think I said this in one
Speaker 2: of our preview episodes. There was so much smoke about
Speaker 2: Sadie being Jean that I was going to be like
Speaker 2: sick to my stomach if she wasn't Jane, because at
Speaker 2: this point it just felt like she had to be.
Speaker 2: I think Sadie is an incredible actor, and I think
Speaker 2: she has done so much stuff on stage, Like I
Speaker 2: don't think she was used to her vulabilities and stranger things,
Speaker 2: especially the most recent season when she was, you know,
Speaker 2: barely waking up from coma. But she was so good
Speaker 2: here and I thought, just her like one on one
Speaker 2: with Metzger at the very end where she is clearly
Speaker 2: going through it, and then she's talking to Peter and
Speaker 2: looking back at Metzger and then she does the scene
Speaker 2: with Aunt. May you see like this huge range for
Speaker 2: her and her do a complete one eighty in terms
Speaker 2: of like her mindset around things, and I think she
Speaker 2: handled it incredibly well. Now I appreciate a new take
Speaker 2: on Jean Gray that is not the same that we
Speaker 2: get in every animated series where she is a very
Speaker 2: calm and demure like she's like the most she gets
Speaker 2: the den mother of the ex righte yes, and I
Speaker 2: like getting her a little spunkier right now. So I'm
Speaker 2: I'm really into this to be the.
Speaker 4: Best Dead Mother's wild teenage.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well exactly, they evolved into really do Dead Mom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, My, I did not have a problem with this
Speaker 1: at all. My answer to this is that our interpretation
Speaker 1: of who Jane Jean Gray is as a character. Yes,
Speaker 1: is very different from this person, but also that's after
Speaker 1: spending her whole life with the X Men, finding her
Speaker 1: found family, fighting and learning and living and loving with
Speaker 1: all of them. And you know, like Logan before the
Speaker 1: X Men was a legit psychopathic murderer, serial killer who
Speaker 1: probably killed I don't like freak of number five thousand
Speaker 1: people at least, and so it makes sense that she
Speaker 1: would be. And in fact, I want this younger version
Speaker 1: of the X Men, whether we can talk about some
Speaker 1: of the rumored casting us been bubbling up, I want
Speaker 1: this roup, this younger version of the X Men, to
Speaker 1: be more militant, angrier, like using their powers. Maybe they
Speaker 1: killed people, maybe they didn't. I'm not going to make
Speaker 1: excuses for that. But to your point, Rosie, like how
Speaker 1: many people did Tony start before he even came on?
Speaker 2: Just killed?
Speaker 4: It's part of it.
Speaker 1: And it absolutely makes sense to me that Jean Gray
Speaker 1: would be furious, lashing out, angry, And it makes sense
Speaker 1: that a Jean Gray who doesn't maybe her sister Sarah's
Speaker 1: powers manifested that way. And if you know, if you're
Speaker 1: not learning how to use the what your power You
Speaker 1: don't know what the full breath of them are. You're
Speaker 1: going to take your steps in the way that you
Speaker 1: have been showed how to take those first steps. So
Speaker 1: the fact that her, whatever her power set like, looked
Speaker 1: like Karma from the mutant's power set or any other
Speaker 1: number of possessive telepaths does not That doesn't bother me
Speaker 1: at all.
Speaker 3: Jason, can I ask you a kind of follow up
Speaker 3: on that, right, which is like, we really get to
Speaker 3: see here as well, this kind of visual evolution of
Speaker 3: that moment of when a teenager's powers kind of explode,
Speaker 3: where we get to see Jean's braid.
Speaker 7: How did you feel like that was? Because I thought
Speaker 7: that was such a cool thing that we looked cool.
Speaker 3: It was amazing right to see how brain waves kind
Speaker 3: of evolve and see how she came into power and
Speaker 3: that's obviously not even the peak of her power.
Speaker 1: She's still Yeah, it was very exciting, and it also
Speaker 1: made me think like when they eventually do Avengers versus
Speaker 1: X Men, and I guess you know, it seems like
Speaker 1: some of Doomsday might have that folks. The X Men
Speaker 1: wash eve every every time.
Speaker 3: The potatoes, Babe potato small they.
Speaker 1: Have like five or six regular members who can solo
Speaker 1: the Avengers.
Speaker 9: Likes a question, I mean, and Gene is among the
Speaker 9: geyl Gene like they the evolution can take the Hulk entirely.
Speaker 7: Literally.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they need, they really need to resurrect Scarlet Witch quickly.
Speaker 7: And I have to say another.
Speaker 3: Another thing I have to say that I think they
Speaker 3: did well here is this is one of those kind
Speaker 3: of like you know, history rhymes or history echoes or
Speaker 3: whatever we'd always said, like Scarlet Witch was very Jean
Speaker 3: Gray Phoenix coded.
Speaker 7: I actually think the way that they kind.
Speaker 3: Of echoed one division here and echoed the way Wonder's
Speaker 3: powers worked is actually really interesting and cool. And I
Speaker 3: think that there is going to be more of a
Speaker 3: conversation around mutations. What does it mean to be a mutant,
Speaker 3: because remember when we first met Scarlett and Pietro, they
Speaker 3: were in a kind of thing being tested on with
Speaker 3: these mutative powers. We get the hints here of Peter
Speaker 3: being able to push Gene out because he is going
Speaker 3: through a mutation.
Speaker 7: So I think we might finally we never really explained that.
Speaker 1: Let's let's unpack that in a bit, because.
Speaker 3: But like I think there's this idea basically that the
Speaker 3: movies might be being a bit more free and loose
Speaker 3: with the idea of what a mutant is, whereas in
Speaker 3: the comics it was always very specific. Even though Peter
Speaker 3: was mutated, he was not seen as a mutant because
Speaker 3: he did not have the ex gene.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 3: But in this world post k Kamala, post this version
Speaker 3: of Peter, with these implications about different ways powers work,
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be a little bit more loose,
Speaker 3: and I'm very interested to see how they play on that.
Speaker 1: I don't this is a good conversation. Yeah, but two things.
Speaker 1: First of all, it's very important, just to add on
Speaker 1: what I said before, it will be very important that
Speaker 1: the mutants who were introduced to eventually become X men
Speaker 1: or not are very angry because there needs to be
Speaker 1: a conflict between Charles's way or Magneto's way, which and
Speaker 1: it needs to be like a genuine toss up. Like
Speaker 1: I don't know, Magneto is kind of making sense when
Speaker 1: he says, let's just crash a fucking let's crash the
Speaker 1: moon into the US, Like when he says something like that,
Speaker 1: like it's young Scott, and what you know, young gene
Speaker 1: and some of these other young mutants need to be
Speaker 1: like I see where he's coming from, but I can't
Speaker 1: let him do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that I think that's very important.
Speaker 1: And to your point, I think that you know where
Speaker 1: I'm hoping they go with it. And I wonder what
Speaker 1: everybody thinks as mutants develop their own like community, which
Speaker 1: it seems like they're they've laid the tracks for that
Speaker 1: in Brand New day, certainly with the just like the
Speaker 1: way they're being treated by society, and you're already seeing
Speaker 1: anger pop up and the fact that there is this
Speaker 1: government program to neuter people with powers. I think that
Speaker 1: there's going to be like you could see a World
Speaker 1: five six sequels from now where there's some hardcore mutants,
Speaker 1: you know, the Exodus or like who are like Peter
Speaker 1: Parker's secondary mutation. He's not a mutant.
Speaker 4: He took he took.
Speaker 1: A chemical I'm saying it got powers, and then he's
Speaker 1: not a natural mutant. He can't live on Krakoa. I
Speaker 1: don't know what do you, Joelle, what do you think
Speaker 1: does does does Peter have his Crocohan passport? If we
Speaker 1: ever do the island.
Speaker 5: No, especially if they can track the tech that controls
Speaker 5: the inspect.
Speaker 1: To wagg we were right about that. We called that
Speaker 1: one a long time ago when we first saw the
Speaker 1: dampener that Rispanner wears in the trailer that they were
Speaker 1: gonna that was going to be the tech that they
Speaker 1: used to control mutants in their future mutant concentration camps.
Speaker 2: Yep. The only reason I think they might not do
Speaker 2: that storyline with the mutants is they sort of did
Speaker 2: that a little with Wakanda, with Killmonger being like, oh,
Speaker 2: you are the descendant of Wakandans, but you were not
Speaker 2: born in Wakanda, and that was a point of conflict there,
Speaker 2: so they maybe they wouldn't revisit it quite the same way.
Speaker 2: But I do think it is an interesting story. I
Speaker 2: really like, Jason, what you were saying about, like we
Speaker 2: need we need the young X men to sort of
Speaker 2: bell Like I want Scott's introduction to be him like
Speaker 2: shooting down flock cameras or something like walking home from
Speaker 2: school like as opposed to just like being studious and
Speaker 2: like at home. And that's the.
Speaker 5: Sexiest introduction of Scott I've ever heard.
Speaker 1: Considering some of the casting rumors out there, confirmed casting
Speaker 1: and casting rumors if they ever do, if they ever do.
Speaker 1: The Psychic Affair Emma Scott and Jean Love Triangle. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is one of the craziest roles in Hollywood history.
Speaker 7: Scott the cost right now?
Speaker 3: Actually, okay, does anyone have any cost things? Actually, Jason,
Speaker 3: I'm just because you're can't think about that. So we
Speaker 3: know that there's a ten age difference between Sadie Sink
Speaker 3: and our beloved Samara Weaving, who is rumored to be
Speaker 3: cost as Emma Frost. So you're cast confirmed by deadline,
Speaker 3: but not like Disney. Disney hasn't come out and officially
Speaker 3: said it. But this is a we know that she's.
Speaker 7: Really cost cost but but.
Speaker 3: So you're looking at someone in the twenty mid twenty eighteen,
Speaker 3: the twenties kind of range for a Scott, Like, who
Speaker 3: could that be?
Speaker 7: Right now? I don't watch enough. Do they have to
Speaker 7: cost them week? Never known? He has to be so hot?
Speaker 1: No, I actually think that they there was I saw
Speaker 1: some casting rumor where it was like Cooper Hoffman.
Speaker 4: Who is not.
Speaker 2: I would love that.
Speaker 7: I think that's how.
Speaker 1: They should go. I don't want the comics high school
Speaker 1: quarterback square John Scott.
Speaker 7: Like to me want a good leader.
Speaker 1: You want a good leader, And it's kind of got
Speaker 1: to be surprising that he's got it in him, I think,
Speaker 1: because to me, when when they really fleshed out this
Speaker 1: is we're talking X Men and this is in Spider
Speaker 1: Man podcast, but like when they really when they really
Speaker 1: when Scott really reached his full potential, like as a
Speaker 1: leader in the mid two thousands, like X Men comics,
Speaker 1: it was it was built on like years of him
Speaker 1: being like the most milk toast, regular mainstream white man,
Speaker 1: like uh, you know, and so his militancy really took
Speaker 1: you by surprise and it seemed earned. And I think
Speaker 1: that's why the now Hoffman has like said that he's
Speaker 1: not involved. Who knows, Like.
Speaker 7: So did a sweet sent a million times?
Speaker 2: So did Sey right?
Speaker 1: You gotta lie about that. I but I liked the
Speaker 1: idea of casting a little bit against physical type and
Speaker 1: having it be something that emerges from within the character.
Speaker 1: It makes him so magnetic.
Speaker 3: I've also seen Koop Hoffman and I Want Your Sex,
Speaker 3: the new Greg Raki movie that was co written by
Speaker 3: Collie Squatino, who is an amazing person and sex therapist,
Speaker 3: and Cooper is hot as pot as that in a
Speaker 3: really unexpected like we a kind of that's all quod
Speaker 3: ass Way and Jason, I think you're right because also
Speaker 3: think about this. I was thinking he's got to be
Speaker 3: hot because both the girls are so hot. We know
Speaker 3: that's not really how it works in the real world anyway.
Speaker 7: But also what it really needs is that militancy.
Speaker 3: This is a Gene who will fuck anyone ship up
Speaker 3: if they fuck around with her family, Right, Scott needs
Speaker 3: to be like that too. We can't have milk toast
Speaker 3: good boy teachers, Pat Scott, she would not be interested.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's here's a question from our discord that has
Speaker 1: been bandied about Sarah, Jeen's sister. It's revealed spoiler alert
Speaker 1: that she passed away due to the experiments being run
Speaker 1: on her by Metzger and Damage Control to kind of
Speaker 1: map out powers and attempt kind of an a philosophical
Speaker 1: extension of the Super Soldier pro which or maybe a
Speaker 1: nascent Weapon X program in which they are trying to
Speaker 1: figure out the biological basis for mutant power so that
Speaker 1: they can give them to others. Yes, Sarah passes away
Speaker 1: in this and it's revealed that the one word that
Speaker 1: Gene picked up from miles and miles of miles away,
Speaker 1: and this last moment of the explosion of psychic energy
Speaker 1: as Sarah was dying was like the word on the vent.
Speaker 1: Now we never see Sarah's body, and Gene notably, question
Speaker 1: Mark never picks up from Metzger or anybody else in
Speaker 1: Damage Control that she's dead before she looks up sees
Speaker 1: the vent and figures it out. I think she's dead,
Speaker 1: but I also think that Marvel is really smart and
Speaker 1: has created an option for them, definitely to do something
Speaker 1: with this later. I don't know what that could be,
Speaker 1: but question for the group, Sarah, is she dead? Rosie
Speaker 1: she did?
Speaker 3: I think that for me this was one of the
Speaker 3: most powerful storytelling choices, and I was very nervous where
Speaker 3: my nephews. Watching with my nephew is very emotional. It
Speaker 3: really moved both of us, and I think that for
Speaker 3: the story of this movie, I would like for her
Speaker 3: to be really dead and it to be this horrible sacrifice,
Speaker 3: especially because I think the tech that Metska is working
Speaker 3: on is clearly some kind of gonna be some kind
Speaker 3: of basis for Cerebro, so I think having Sarah's sacrifice
Speaker 3: connected to that is going to be really emotional. But
Speaker 3: I agree Jason. I think they're leaving the door open.
Speaker 3: You never see the body. That means you don't know
Speaker 3: there one hundred percent dead. I saw some really fun
Speaker 3: theories in the discord. I think if they did bring
Speaker 3: her back, it would probably be as a way to
Speaker 3: manipulate Gene rather than as like a character we already know.
Speaker 3: But I think it's a smart daughter to leave open.
Speaker 3: And honestly, I loved the chemist between the two of them.
Speaker 3: We're on my second watch that scene where they're talking
Speaker 3: about what a mother is and the way that her
Speaker 3: sister says, well, if that's all it takes, you were
Speaker 3: never really a mother.
Speaker 7: I was like, shit, okay, these two a sisters. They
Speaker 7: don't look.
Speaker 3: Alike by fucking buy it, Like, I would love to
Speaker 3: see that relationship more. But I think for me personally,
Speaker 3: I hope that it was a true sacrifice. You know,
Speaker 3: does she get fridged, Yes, but is it really emotional
Speaker 3: and in a way that works. The Vmax reveal is
Speaker 3: so heartbreakingly small compared to what you think it is,
Speaker 3: and I think that's just an incredible kick in the
Speaker 3: stomach by the writers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 4: I was just gonna say no, no, no, really quickly.
Speaker 5: I think just like the moment of her looking up
Speaker 5: was really impactful to see the symbol con ceiling, and
Speaker 5: so you know, it sort of would make sense. I
Speaker 5: think if they bring her back, they've got to do
Speaker 5: it in a like five to six years. And I'm like,
Speaker 5: oh my god, what have they done to her, Like
Speaker 5: they've they've souped her upper like she's working for the
Speaker 5: government now.
Speaker 7: Something line more than three episodes exactly.
Speaker 5: I think that could work because I was thinking about
Speaker 5: Jabal Tillman when he's telling her, like I thought he
Speaker 5: was telling her she died so that she would get
Speaker 5: emotional and like have a stronger reaction.
Speaker 4: So I do see why people were watching it and
Speaker 4: kind of seeing it that way.
Speaker 2: Aaron, I mean, I think she's dead. Yeah, because when
Speaker 2: when Metzker tells Holland or Parker, he's like, oh, Sarah
Speaker 2: is the name of someone who passed away. He has
Speaker 2: no reason to lie to Peter other than the reason
Speaker 2: that he's lying already. But like, he doesn't have to
Speaker 2: tell him that Sarah died if she's actually alive somewhere,
Speaker 2: he already is slipping up on one thing. I think
Speaker 2: that she's dead unfortunately.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do I think a sinister can't come back at some
Speaker 2: point and revive her for whatever reason? No, I think
Speaker 2: that's totally in the cars at some point. But I
Speaker 2: think in this she's Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I will add that it's hard too, like
Speaker 1: for me to watch the Gene scenes and not think about,
Speaker 1: like how much of her early memories and the comics
Speaker 1: are completely garbled and she is no full ears of
Speaker 1: her life they don't remember correctly.
Speaker 7: Yes, Yeah, that.
Speaker 1: Now that would be That would like open a door
Speaker 1: to a reading of the movie in which we are
Speaker 1: seeing the altered memories that like Charles or someone else created,
Speaker 1: which I definitely don't think is the case. All I'm
Speaker 1: saying is like, we're probably going to go to a
Speaker 1: place where Jeane doesn't remember a lot of stuff. Yeah, correctly, Jason,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't think you're wrong.
Speaker 3: They already made in the time of this time frame
Speaker 3: of this movie something I missed the first time. They
Speaker 3: had already made a anti Spider Man weapon that was
Speaker 3: able to get rid of his uh you know, webs
Speaker 3: that are made of kevla, the kind of like the
Speaker 3: non organic webs, right, So actually I kind of love
Speaker 3: the read that I don't think it would be Charles,
Speaker 3: but Damage Control, like Sarah might have never been a mutant.
Speaker 3: Those could have been memories just made to She could
Speaker 3: have never had a sister. I mean, the Sarah pool
Speaker 3: was crazy, So I kind of love the idea that
Speaker 3: Damage Control may have been a bit of an inciting
Speaker 3: incident into Gene becoming more confused. But again, and the
Speaker 3: emotional arc work for me, But I love that idea.
Speaker 1: Jason Becau damage I need, I need to watch it again.
Speaker 1: But when Peter does, when Peter does the research on Jean,
Speaker 1: does he ever turn up a sister or is the
Speaker 1: only connection to a sister Jean's memories and Metzker's.
Speaker 7: I'm almostly Ylena.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Elena says she finds that there is scrub
Speaker 3: damage Control documents, but she's able to find that there's
Speaker 3: a sister. I actually still think that sounds like Damage
Speaker 3: Control could have set that up.
Speaker 7: Like I'm not gonna lie, but I do.
Speaker 3: In the comics, you know, Sarah is real and this
Speaker 3: is a very emotional push, But I think that they're
Speaker 3: leaving it open to interpretation, just like the post credit
Speaker 3: scene has caused a lot of this course. I think
Speaker 3: there is a lot of very clever loose ends left here,
Speaker 3: rather than trying to.
Speaker 7: Commit to something they don't know is going to happen in.
Speaker 1: The mature, speaking of a loose sense, Gene cannot read
Speaker 1: Spider Man's mind without him letting her or inhabit his mind.
Speaker 2: I like that we're thirty three minutes in and this
Speaker 2: is the first Spider Man mentioned him.
Speaker 1: This is, this is and I love this movie. But
Speaker 1: somebody can somebody defend this? How does this work?
Speaker 2: I Spider sense?
Speaker 7: I think it's just like a mixture.
Speaker 3: I think it's the Iraqnid mutation is like the heighth
Speaker 3: End mutation is allowing him to push her out. And
Speaker 3: I think they're going to play with the idea of
Speaker 3: mutations being able to kind of be more powerful of
Speaker 3: other mutations. Because also Ted when he puts the in hippop,
Speaker 3: so she.
Speaker 1: Can't read, so she can't read or control the minds
Speaker 1: of other mutles.
Speaker 7: It's so complicated. Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't think it makes sense.
Speaker 5: But I also think I'm really excited that Marvel's leaning
Speaker 5: in a direction that's like, I don't need to stop
Speaker 5: down in science explaining this to you guys, And.
Speaker 4: I'm interested that this is magic. She can't do it.
Speaker 4: Do you understand that? Great, We're moving on, Like, let's go.
Speaker 4: I think we can live in that world in India happy.
Speaker 2: Because in no way home he Spider Man is the
Speaker 2: only person other than actual wizards who can sort of
Speaker 2: exist within when Strange pushes him into that's whatever, like
Speaker 2: I forget, is it the astral projection still exists and
Speaker 2: reacts within there. I think it's his spider senses Peter Tingle,
Speaker 2: allowing him to also fight back against any psychic intrusion,
Speaker 2: intrusions until.
Speaker 1: That's you could read here is okay, Here is my Marvel,
Speaker 1: uh whatever, the Marvel Dictionary of the.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the Marvels, the super Marvel.
Speaker 1: I would if I was like trying to actually explain it,
Speaker 1: I would say, Aaron, I think you're right. That was
Speaker 1: an important scene in the previous Spider Man film. I
Speaker 1: think that it's Spider Man's like brain or psyche. His
Speaker 1: nervous system exists like a Schrodinger's cat in a superposition
Speaker 1: of various possibilities. It so when a bullet is being
Speaker 1: fired at him. He his brain is in a reality
Speaker 1: in which a bullet is coming at him, and also
Speaker 1: a bullet is not coming at him. Oh so it's
Speaker 1: kind of like a very short range psychic ability because
Speaker 1: his brain is like in this kind of quantum field state.
Speaker 1: And that would why she can I love that. It
Speaker 1: has to be something unique to him. Yes, otherwise she's
Speaker 1: just much weaker than we thought because she's very powerful.
Speaker 7: Because they make a big point of saying.
Speaker 3: That, I don't I think it's specifically this idea or
Speaker 3: they just this was an annoying writing thing that they did.
Speaker 3: But I don't feel I feel like everything in this
Speaker 3: very intentional. I just feel like they pushed this idea
Speaker 3: of Peter mutating because he was trying to keep the
Speaker 3: powers down, and I just feel like there's some connection there.
Speaker 7: But I also will say that did.
Speaker 3: That arc and that kind of narrative moment did lead
Speaker 3: to what is my favorite moment in the movie, which
Speaker 3: is the aunt May Sadie sinc seeing when Peter does
Speaker 3: let her into his mind and then she finally gets
Speaker 3: to experience what it would be like to have a
Speaker 3: parent who loved her so like I also think this
Speaker 3: could be a retroactively like realizing that would be a
Speaker 3: cool scene to have and then trying to work out
Speaker 3: how you get there.
Speaker 7: So maybe it's not as well thought through.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I just I just thought that an't my
Speaker 3: stuff was so powerful, So I'm glad that we got
Speaker 3: into Peter's brain in the end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Joelle, who's your new favorite white man.
Speaker 5: Who Tom Holland can step to the front. I just yes,
Speaker 5: I'm so enamored. So, like, you know, we love Spider Man.
Speaker 5: He's been doing this for a long time. He's been great.
Speaker 5: My favorite singular moment in the Marvel Sinemtic universe is
Speaker 5: from Homecoming when he's like, come on, Spider Man, and he's.
Speaker 4: Like, self belief gets him over the edge. To me,
Speaker 4: it's like I.
Speaker 5: Cry every time, like my dad cries when she was
Speaker 5: like and I think obviously most of all Scarecrow and
Speaker 5: Wizard of Oz, I cry every time when he's like,
Speaker 5: come on, Spider Man, get up. It just resonates deeply.
Speaker 5: But he hasn't necessarily been my favorite character throughout all
Speaker 5: of this, but I think, like, listen, we just found
Speaker 5: out that this is now this movie has defeated Endgame
Speaker 5: and opening preview, which is it is the MCAU now.
Speaker 5: I think that's well, is it just domestically? I thought
Speaker 5: it was globally, but.
Speaker 7: I just no, no, no, it's just it's domestically.
Speaker 3: It opened five million more than they thought, so it
Speaker 3: made three hundred and sixty million dollars, which beats End
Speaker 3: Games three hundred and fifty seven million. So it is
Speaker 3: now officially the biggest opening weekend domestically of all time.
Speaker 5: Any film ever. See he is the MCU now, And
Speaker 5: I think that what the mc who's always needed is
Speaker 5: what Robert Downey Junior gave it, which was like, hey,
Speaker 5: I am this character on screen and oscreen. I will
Speaker 5: be there for you whenever you need me, call me,
Speaker 5: I'll be there. And I feel like Tom Holland has
Speaker 5: fully stepped into that. He's like, I am Spider Man.
Speaker 5: You know a lot of people thought this would be
Speaker 5: and I'm curious what you guys think thought this was
Speaker 5: like a sign off for Spider Man. And there's lots
Speaker 5: of moments you see this.
Speaker 4: Well, Jason, I know, I know, but this is a conversation.
Speaker 5: This is the conversation we're saying, like, hey, sim of
Speaker 5: these scenes feel like we're saying goodbye.
Speaker 7: Yes, they do fake out death, so they do what they.
Speaker 5: Got death, and I wore a lot of black on
Speaker 5: the red carpets. People thought like either MJ or Peter
Speaker 5: would die. When I first heard this, I had your reaction, Jason,
Speaker 5: where I said, no, one's letting go of this cash cow.
Speaker 5: Tom Beloved has not had a nice successful movie outside
Speaker 5: of the Spider Man universe that is relying specifically on
Speaker 5: his startum.
Speaker 3: But it's looking pretty good right now because the American
Speaker 3: box office just had the biggest weekend ever because of
Speaker 3: Spider Man and the arts together.
Speaker 7: So Tom Day are getting the money for the future.
Speaker 1: They want to be sixty million for Brand New Day
Speaker 1: domestic and then just under a billion global, nine thirty
Speaker 1: two million worldwide. Crazy crazy, crazy numbers have seen numbers
Speaker 1: like Tom.
Speaker 5: I know not everyone agreed, And there was recently an
Speaker 5: article about Tom Holland being like, you need to take
Speaker 5: more adult roles.
Speaker 4: First of all, fook off. This is the most basic
Speaker 4: action you could say about Tom.
Speaker 1: Was very adult in this movie.
Speaker 7: Thank you.
Speaker 5: That's Peter grows with the beauty of the characters that
Speaker 5: he works both as a teenager and as an old
Speaker 5: curmudgety man. You can play him for a very very
Speaker 5: long time. And I think, like what he's done with
Speaker 5: this role has just been It's really incredible. The fact
Speaker 5: he took it to like a weird sexy place and
Speaker 5: he was like, look at this body I got on
Speaker 5: heard of this suit?
Speaker 4: Do you guys want to appreciate it?
Speaker 5: In like a my scene with the other sexiest personal
Speaker 5: mc right now?
Speaker 7: Can I fai I for a whole generation of kids?
Speaker 7: Can I?
Speaker 1: Can I stop us right here?
Speaker 4: Please? Peter Parker in.
Speaker 1: The comics has a a long time dalliance with the
Speaker 1: Black Widow. Yeah, Black Widow R I t did Scarlett
Speaker 1: Johansson within the within the MCU. She's gone, not coming back,
Speaker 1: She's gone one as the new Black Widow.
Speaker 4: We've got a new Black Widow.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was feeling.
Speaker 7: I love the chemistry, so the temis she was there.
Speaker 4: Good buddies who have sex energy.
Speaker 7: Yes, I'm gonna Joe ow.
Speaker 3: I'm actually really glad you said that, because in my
Speaker 3: mind I was thinking, obviously they are leading back to
Speaker 3: MJ and Peter being together again, because Peter is he
Speaker 3: does all the green flag shit. He is not far
Speaker 3: from obsession. He fucking tells her the truth. He takes
Speaker 3: her home, even after she says, I don't remember you,
Speaker 3: I don't love you. And then it is MJ's act
Speaker 3: of kindness by letting him in that allows them to essentially.
Speaker 2: Solve the problem.
Speaker 3: And it's obviously there leading back to that relationship, but
Speaker 3: it's gonna have to be a long term thing. And
Speaker 3: this is an adult man with a racknet spider shit
Speaker 3: going on in his veins, and his fucking ex govern
Speaker 3: is fucking blooming the sexiest actor from Star Wars, so
Speaker 3: like he's definitely gonna.
Speaker 7: Be hooking up with the lady.
Speaker 10: So your boyfriend is Ezra. Although they made it very
Speaker 10: clear through this throughout the movie that they're not fucking
Speaker 10: that there is no physically very happening whatsoever.
Speaker 3: But I feel I feel like it's really clear to
Speaker 3: me that the the the flirtation between Yolena and Peter
Speaker 3: could be something fun to play on as because also
Speaker 3: there's a lot of moments in here that I really
Speaker 3: liked where it feels like they're echoing are the Spider
Speaker 3: Man fem fetales? Oh no no, But like, you know,
Speaker 3: like this whole Jolena stuff very Black Cat, right, and
Speaker 3: then you even get these these great moments with Zendea
Speaker 3: when she is playing possessed at and she's so incredible
Speaker 3: in those scenes. I mean they're even playing on like
Speaker 3: Catwoman shit there, like she's giving like she could be
Speaker 3: fucking DC's Catwoman when she jumps off the fucking building.
Speaker 3: Like they're having so much fun with these different notions
Speaker 3: of like tropes and kind of how you can change
Speaker 3: a character from what we expect, And I just thought
Speaker 3: that was really really fun and I'm excited to see
Speaker 3: them continue.
Speaker 1: I did mean black Cat, although Black Widow and Peter
Speaker 1: have kissed at least twice.
Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say that there were
Speaker 2: echoes of previous Spider Man, because that was one of
Speaker 2: the things I recognized was that Tom really he has
Speaker 2: the one reference to Peter two when he's testing out
Speaker 2: the organic webbing for the first time intentionally. But he
Speaker 2: also there are moments where the first third of the
Speaker 2: movie him like awkwardly the woman coming out of the
Speaker 2: elevator and be like, oh, you live on this floor too,
Speaker 2: and he's like uh hi, and like leaves and its
Speaker 2: very Toby Maguire very Toby Maguire, and then later on
Speaker 2: when he's like cracking jokes, you know, oh you guys, stretch,
Speaker 2: I'm not in high school anymore. That felt so Andrew
Speaker 2: Garfield like the reference. Yes, yeah, I love the way
Speaker 2: that he pulls in the other actors in like a
Speaker 2: metal level with his incorporation of them here, and then
Speaker 2: also continues to think about them and talk about them
Speaker 2: as like these are these are a part of my story,
Speaker 2: these other versions of me, and now here I am
Speaker 2: my own lonely person, having lost those touch points of
Speaker 2: Spider Man.
Speaker 4: But also and in the suity, we see it in
Speaker 4: the suit too.
Speaker 5: They adjusted a lot of the suit to mimic the
Speaker 5: other two suits. That's why we could see him take
Speaker 5: off and put on his mask a lot this day.
Speaker 7: And crazy coll that somebody noticed on the internet. I
Speaker 7: can't take credit for.
Speaker 3: But MJ when she draws him and Ned, she actually
Speaker 3: draws him in his homecoming suit.
Speaker 7: She doesn't draw him in the suit he's wearing, so it's.
Speaker 11: Like memory, okay, the net loss memory is Yes, I
Speaker 11: love the way they I mean the ned To handshake
Speaker 11: being the final moment forgets.
Speaker 4: The the cliche romantic moment. But it's with Ned, I screamed.
Speaker 4: I was like, their friendship is every I love it.
Speaker 3: Oh g muscle memory baby. He knew like he kisses
Speaker 3: his girl friend. She doesn't remember the funny unique friendship
Speaker 3: hat shake.
Speaker 7: They know it forever.
Speaker 1: I wonder if they ever sin the spell. I hope,
Speaker 1: kind of hope they don'tsin the spell. They just like
Speaker 1: they just build on this new version.
Speaker 3: You're right, actually, because you know something I noticed second
Speaker 3: time around Jason.
Speaker 1: The spell also, the spell is different. It should be.
Speaker 1: Shouldn't am I wrong about this? It should be that
Speaker 1: if they encounter him again, they will forget, like after
Speaker 1: a period of time.
Speaker 3: That's why I think he wasn't telling people his name
Speaker 3: was Peter. That's definitely to me. I think how it felt.
Speaker 3: But we don't know the ramifications of the rules. I
Speaker 3: do want to say, though, something else I noticed on
Speaker 3: second watch. And we know Bruce has obviously been pushed
Speaker 3: off into a fucking damage control psychiatric hospital, so he's
Speaker 3: probably not gonna help.
Speaker 7: Bruce now knows Bruce who.
Speaker 3: Spider Man is, but he thinks Spider Man is Ned
Speaker 3: Leeds because Peter told when Peter went to talk to me,
Speaker 3: he talked about the universal inhibita, and then he Spider
Speaker 3: Man gives him the universally inhibited that he made. So
Speaker 3: Bruce now can connect Spider Man with Peter's face, but
Speaker 3: he has the wrong name for him, and nobody's gonna believe.
Speaker 2: When when Hulk is fighting him at the very end,
Speaker 2: in order to get Hulk to stop um, he says,
Speaker 2: it's your friend. It's Peter. Yeah, so, and Bruce.
Speaker 3: Remembers, which implies again that there is this kind of
Speaker 3: connection deeper than the spell.
Speaker 1: But some people I don't know that one is another
Speaker 1: one that I don't like, there being weaknesses in the spell.
Speaker 1: But if I was again the Marvel explainer nerd, I'd
Speaker 1: say that because the Hulk's energies come from an alternate
Speaker 1: dimension exactly, that the psyche of the Hulk is built
Speaker 1: on alternate dimensional energies and mass, and therefore he's not
Speaker 1: also was.
Speaker 3: In space at that point finding his son, I think
Speaker 3: was one of the arguments too, maybe like.
Speaker 7: He was in space.
Speaker 3: There's always been this argument of like, if you were
Speaker 3: off planet did the spell work? And we haven't met
Speaker 3: anyone who was off planet at the time, So I
Speaker 3: also just think that that's the ultimate classic. You've got
Speaker 3: to do it like they love to do that in
Speaker 3: every movie with the Hulk.
Speaker 7: You got to say, Son's going dumb, buddy, like you
Speaker 7: got to remember that you're his friend. That's like question.
Speaker 1: People will cry, are those the only six members of
Speaker 1: the hand that are left?
Speaker 5: Because the hardest part for me to swallow that they're
Speaker 5: just kids who meet at home. They get to keep
Speaker 5: wearing their uniforms from their gang periods.
Speaker 4: Though their colors are fine. We don't have a problem
Speaker 4: with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the colors.
Speaker 5: And I know we just wanted the cool like wush
Speaker 5: you like fight scene and it was cool as hell,
Speaker 5: so cool. But this was a this was a lot.
Speaker 5: We must circle back to these children. I mean, I
Speaker 5: need this to be an ongoing thing.
Speaker 7: Five year old children like that, who adults come on.
Speaker 4: Chill.
Speaker 5: We also talk about Jammel Tillman just really quickly while
Speaker 5: we're here talking about his choices.
Speaker 7: And as a leader.
Speaker 1: I yes, let's do it.
Speaker 4: I have tell me you have been with that's Jason,
Speaker 4: Well it was, I thought he was great.
Speaker 1: I do have complicated. I have noticed that across mediums
Speaker 1: we are back in the person of color is the
Speaker 1: bad guy every time.
Speaker 3: Pretty crazy to have like very famous black actor being
Speaker 3: the antagonistic getst like a young Wye.
Speaker 2: This felt stunt casting, like he is a name, he's popular,
Speaker 2: and they just give him anything to do.
Speaker 1: I just got done watching What is This Jennifer Garner
Speaker 1: five Star Vacation, five Star vacation, and it was fine.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: It's about Jennifer Garner whose husband passed away. She finds
Speaker 1: out he was having a fair and the villain is
Speaker 1: the is fifty percent of the actors of color in
Speaker 1: the show, and the other one is part of the
Speaker 1: friend group whose she works at. She's the only black
Speaker 1: woman she works in sports. She's like, she's like the
Speaker 1: stephen A Smith of the of the reality. Anyway, That's
Speaker 1: how I felt about it. I thought that Chammel was great,
Speaker 1: but also and I don't need like every good guy
Speaker 1: to be like a person of color, every bad guy
Speaker 1: to be not that. But I also feel like, and
Speaker 1: I do feel like Marvel is doing very good work
Speaker 1: and laying the groundwork for what will eventually be the
Speaker 1: central tension behind Mutants and their place in the Marvel universe,
Speaker 1: which is they are oppressed and exploited and much feared community.
Speaker 7: That said, I.
Speaker 1: Felt like he was a little bit wasted and like
Speaker 1: at least let him cheose the scenery a little bit
Speaker 1: more like it very cursor. His grandspeech was a little rush.
Speaker 1: I think if we had chopped off maybe five to
Speaker 1: ten at the top and given him a little bit
Speaker 1: more time to really like wear gene down, like you know, psychologically,
Speaker 1: I think that would have been cool. However, was like
Speaker 1: Tilm's kind of the perfect casting for the MCU right
Speaker 1: now in that here's a guy who's moderately successful in
Speaker 1: that people know his name, he has like one really
Speaker 1: great show beneath him, but.
Speaker 4: Years of talent.
Speaker 1: Once every three years, you've gottlity.
Speaker 5: A lot of name recognition, and a lot of drive
Speaker 5: to prove himself, which means I think that this role
Speaker 5: could it seems like it's going to have a much
Speaker 5: longer stand across the MCU. And this is what I
Speaker 5: really wanted. B tier villains who are doing a lot
Speaker 5: and can stretch across multiple films, I think would like
Speaker 5: really raise the level of drama across the MCS. I
Speaker 5: decided he's in the position.
Speaker 2: I think my question is why didn't they What if
Speaker 2: he was just Henry Gyrich, like we read that things
Speaker 2: for everyone.
Speaker 3: Look, I just want to say this has been a
Speaker 3: long problem that Disney has had in multiple different franchises,
Speaker 3: predominantly Star Wars and Marvel, where there's often a direct
Speaker 3: analogue for a character or a mcguffin, and they choose
Speaker 3: to create something or do something different because they either
Speaker 3: don't want to pay people, or they just want to
Speaker 3: do a version that they think is easier to sell
Speaker 3: or less whatever, or they just don't remember that they
Speaker 3: have that potential character because there's not somebody there who's
Speaker 3: like read the specific comics. But I don't think that's
Speaker 3: a terrible thing, Jason. I do just want to say
Speaker 3: I totally agree with everything you said. And I also
Speaker 3: think one of the greatest critiques of the X Men
Speaker 3: over the years has been that many times, especially pre
Speaker 3: giant size, obviously, they have often been like the oppressed
Speaker 3: class of white people who.
Speaker 7: Everything is so tough for them.
Speaker 3: And I do think that the MCU has to be
Speaker 3: very intentional about not doing a main five.
Speaker 7: That is all white.
Speaker 3: Though if the rumored casting of Charles Melton potentially as Beast,
Speaker 3: which I think is really cool casting. That's also I
Speaker 3: think they were talking about Kaylee Spenny's rogue, which I
Speaker 3: think is very interesting obviously coming off Beef. But I
Speaker 3: think Jason, they have to be very intentional that they
Speaker 3: do not just cost a bunch of great character act
Speaker 3: people of color to run damage control and suddenly it's
Speaker 3: an oppressed class of white mutants. You know, it could
Speaker 3: be very easy to do if they're not intentional. So
Speaker 3: I think it's a good point. I also think that
Speaker 3: with regards to metsicer, like there's going to be if
Speaker 3: they build this out right, they would theoretically be an
Speaker 3: entire like pantheon of not necessarily related government villains Bullvar Trask,
Speaker 3: Valerie Cooper, Henry Errick. They they're not like on a team,
Speaker 3: but they are kind of aligned because of like a
Speaker 3: gounmental mister villains.
Speaker 1: And so I think we if they build it out right,
Speaker 1: you can have the this MCU reality where there is
Speaker 1: like an anti powered people's like sect in government that
Speaker 1: is working to which would happen, you know, like that's
Speaker 1: working to like basically make sure that the government always
Speaker 1: has the upper hand versus powered groups, whether it's having
Speaker 1: our own superpower team like what we've seen in Thunderbolt,
Speaker 1: Slash Movendors, or having the ability to imprison, assassinate, make
Speaker 1: disappear any other superheroes that they need to at any
Speaker 1: given time. And so I think that there's a world
Speaker 1: for Metzger like going forward, like I think he will
Speaker 1: come away from this going Actually we need to, like
Speaker 1: really we need to double down. And I the thing
Speaker 1: though that I that hasn't happened yet is we haven't
Speaker 1: seen the these governmental types go. Actually it's the powers themselves,
Speaker 1: because what happens is, Okay, we give one of our
Speaker 1: agents power and then what happened We lose control of them,
Speaker 1: and then they go off and fucking join the X
Speaker 1: Men or the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants or whatever, or
Speaker 1: they become like a fucking bank robber, like the greatest
Speaker 1: bank robber of all time.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: What we need to do is make sure nobody has
Speaker 1: any powers ever, and we need to so like when
Speaker 1: does that slip happen?
Speaker 3: I would say, as well, that is very interesting because
Speaker 3: I think again, something the movie did really well was
Speaker 3: like the John Burnt or having that moment of almost
Speaker 3: like the Looper.
Speaker 7: Kind of like, oh, how do you explain time travel?
Speaker 2: Don't worry about it?
Speaker 3: When he explains how Gene kept Peter alive and he says,
Speaker 3: you know she did that weird voodoo shit or whatever.
Speaker 3: I think that we are going to be getting into
Speaker 3: a space where the idea of a governmental kind of
Speaker 3: like oh no more mutants could also coincide with some
Speaker 3: kind of house of msque thing, Like I think they're
Speaker 3: really setting up different kind of layers and tears of
Speaker 3: science magic government, Like there are so many different ways
Speaker 3: these stories could be told, and I think they're doing
Speaker 3: it in such a smart way where they're leading potential pathways,
Speaker 3: but they're not committing, so it's not going to feel like, oh,
Speaker 3: they didn't actually build on that. It's just like, oh,
Speaker 3: they could build on this, or oh they could build
Speaker 3: on that, and that's what they need to do more of.
Speaker 7: I think, how.
Speaker 1: Does how does Frank avoid any charges after discharging what
Speaker 1: I would assume is an illegal sniper rifle shooting Spider Man?
Speaker 7: He drives shooting a rock trus the bus off.
Speaker 1: The streets and then is unmolested shitting vigil outside of
Speaker 1: Spider Man's hospital room.
Speaker 2: And we had zero charges for Yeah, you know what, Jason's.
Speaker 8: Go ahead like he actually has got hell, Everyone's don't
Speaker 8: mean I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, I do think like talking about him sitting vigil
Speaker 2: at Tom's side, Marvel and Disney do a ton of
Speaker 2: father son interactions and a lot of father son relationships,
Speaker 2: even Thor and Odin, you know, Chris Pratt and Russell.
Speaker 2: This is hearkening back to like that Thor Loki dynamic,
Speaker 2: and these two I think are better than the Hemsworth
Speaker 2: and Hidlson dynamic because they they like that scene in
Speaker 2: the hospital when when Tom wakes up is so good,
Speaker 2: and the scene of them bickering about Stadden Island is
Speaker 2: so good. That shows just like in the preview or
Speaker 2: in the spoiler free review, Jason Rosa, you said, like
Speaker 2: every Spider Man movie, every MCU movie needs to be
Speaker 2: hiring couples because the chemistry between Tom and and they
Speaker 2: is so good. Every MCU movie should be hiring best
Speaker 2: friends to interact with each other because that works so well.
Speaker 2: Like this not nepo casting, but you need something like
Speaker 2: that where you're getting someone you know they have chemistry with.
Speaker 1: I will say that whatever the obviously it's been a
Speaker 1: it's been a time of tremendous upoval for the NCU,
Speaker 1: and I think there's been a lot of changes of
Speaker 1: foot that they've had to weather. But I think one
Speaker 1: of the smartest structural calls that they've made is, like
Speaker 1: to Rosie's point and Joelle, like, launch ship off of
Speaker 1: Tom and Spider Man. Yeah, there's kind of no reason
Speaker 1: to launch the X Men off of Spider Man except that.
Speaker 3: It was one of the biggest reasons that people didn't
Speaker 3: believe it could happen.
Speaker 7: But you know what, they couldn't risking out the Thunderbolts, Jason.
Speaker 3: They couldn't risk it out the Fantastic Four where you
Speaker 3: launched the X Man and it makes a million.
Speaker 7: Spider Man movie.
Speaker 5: Al this is aws fell in love with Spider Man
Speaker 5: is that they backed back and we should have back
Speaker 5: all of our characters if you introduced Kamala and I
Speaker 5: know it didn't really.
Speaker 4: Work for the Marvels for a number of reasons.
Speaker 5: But I think if you hadn't had tried this first
Speaker 5: of all, but second, I think if they instead of
Speaker 5: trying to make it the three of them, if they
Speaker 5: had just made it Captain and mis.
Speaker 4: Marvel trying to figure stuff out. Just the two of them.
Speaker 5: Those are two women who really care about these roles,
Speaker 5: who are actively in the public about their roles. I
Speaker 5: think they could have really built something up there, and
Speaker 5: we could have, you know, tried to back towards those
Speaker 5: X men in another movie. But I think what really
Speaker 5: works here, you know the I wanted to talk a
Speaker 5: little bit about like the New York.
Speaker 2: Of it all.
Speaker 5: You know, this is the first film they didn't actually
Speaker 5: shoot on New York streets. Jason Aaron, y'all love the city,
Speaker 5: have lived there, currently lived there. Did you guys feel
Speaker 5: like you missed? I felt like I noticed as a
Speaker 5: non New Yorker. But how did you guys feel about it?
Speaker 5: Did you feel the presence of the city missing at all?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: You barely want it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's there's still like a third of
Speaker 2: the movie it takes place in Bodega's.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Like the fe roll is stunning too, Like that
Speaker 3: how that credits first, like five minutes of the credits
Speaker 3: just roll. That shit makes me cry just because I
Speaker 3: love New York.
Speaker 1: This is it was. I thought it was quite convincing,
Speaker 1: Like to me, the the absolute worst version of like
Speaker 1: any other place for New York is rumble in the
Speaker 1: Bronx where you see like snow capped mountains in So
Speaker 1: this was this was I didn't notice it at all.
Speaker 3: They did amp up the New York noess of Spider
Speaker 3: Man in this too as well to kind of cover that.
Speaker 7: Jason and Aaron how did that? That stuff read.
Speaker 3: Very fun for me, but obviously not in New Yorker,
Speaker 3: But like, how did the burnt or spidery New York
Speaker 3: because when they argue, they get more New York which
Speaker 3: is very real, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was right, That was right. Yeah, It's perfectly pitched.
Speaker 2: And it was the opposite of there's one scene in
Speaker 2: the first season of Daredevil Born Again, and I think
Speaker 2: it's when Daredevil and Kingpin are sitting or meeting in
Speaker 2: the diner and in the background there's a Fresh Direct
Speaker 2: truck and that to me was like, we're a little
Speaker 2: too real here to get Fresh Direct out of the shot,
Speaker 2: that's too much.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: So this was this like felt good and I liked this,
Speaker 2: and I liked their like seeing Gene hop through people
Speaker 2: and you're seeing how busy these streets are. You're seeing
Speaker 2: the diversity of people that she's jumping to and the
Speaker 2: busy streets. I love that, and like she's just jumping
Speaker 2: over construction barriers and stuff. Yeah, I think that was
Speaker 2: all incredible.
Speaker 1: Okay, last couple of questions. First, the X Men Do
Speaker 1: they exist right now in this world? Is Scott running
Speaker 1: around somewhere in the suburbs wherever, like with his brother Alex?
Speaker 1: Or are we going to get a lot of them
Speaker 1: from the post Secret Wars collision of realities? It would
Speaker 1: be a pretty big mind blower, right if Charles Xavier
Speaker 1: was right now running the school secretly like in upstate
Speaker 1: New York, although Gene appeared to be going.
Speaker 4: So what do we do?
Speaker 1: We think they are getting them from this reality or elsewhere?
Speaker 5: I think they're here. I think the X Men School
Speaker 5: doesn't exist yet. I was shocked we didn't. Honestly, I
Speaker 5: thought I was preparing for a in the same way
Speaker 5: we're introduced to Nick Feary. I thought they were gonna
Speaker 5: surprise drop Charles on us. I was like, we have
Speaker 5: no casting yet, but but I's secret. If we get
Speaker 5: a voice, maybe he is. He's out there in the world.
Speaker 5: But I I need I personally, personally, I want to
Speaker 5: see the founding of the school I'm kind of upset
Speaker 5: if we were.
Speaker 4: Like just jumping in the middle like storms already a
Speaker 4: teacher like.
Speaker 7: No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 3: I think okay, So look, guys, I have to direct
Speaker 3: you back. So there is I believe a school. I
Speaker 3: do not believe it is the beautiful, huge Charles Xavier
Speaker 3: School as we know it. But remember when they found
Speaker 3: out Kamala had a mutation, she went to a school
Speaker 3: in upstate New York for gifted kids. I think that
Speaker 3: there is an early version. Uh maybe it's like the
Speaker 3: fucked up you know, Days of Future Past. Charles has
Speaker 3: let the mansion go to shit, he hasn't set it
Speaker 3: up yet version. Or maybe it's Charles in a fucking
Speaker 3: apartment somewhere with like six kids who are the first
Speaker 3: X Men. But I do think that there is somebody.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's Charles, maybe it's maybe it's Emma.
Speaker 3: Let's remember in a lot of Version New Mutants, New
Speaker 3: x Men. It could be Emma who's there as the
Speaker 3: head teacher. We don't know, But I do think there's
Speaker 3: somebody has created a safe space for young mutants, and
Speaker 3: I do believe that Kamala is there. And I do
Speaker 3: believe that is where Gene will end up. And the
Speaker 3: reason that I think that is because Peter says.
Speaker 2: Hey, you know you're not alone.
Speaker 7: You've got me. And Peter's in New York. We know
Speaker 7: Carmena was in New Jersey.
Speaker 3: There is obviously some understanding or some kind of like
Speaker 3: space where if you find a young mutant teen because
Speaker 3: Peter said get away, he's not trying to send her
Speaker 3: to damage control. There's somewhere people know they can send
Speaker 3: them because we know Karmla went there, and I'm guessing
Speaker 3: Genes going to the same place.
Speaker 7: I just don't know if it's I looked so hard.
Speaker 3: There is a big kind of big spire that you
Speaker 3: see in the pull out shot, but I don't think
Speaker 3: it's meant to be the school. But yeah, I do
Speaker 3: think that there is somebody's running a safe space for
Speaker 3: kids right now.
Speaker 7: Is it Charles?
Speaker 3: I don't know, because I still don't know what they're
Speaker 3: gonna do with Charles and Magneto. I think it's a
Speaker 3: very fraught adaptation right now. So I think Emma is
Speaker 3: a teacher, is not crazy, or Emma is somebody running
Speaker 3: what maybe she's running a kind of like Fagin esque
Speaker 3: like seems like it's good for the kids, but really,
Speaker 3: you know, she's got them doing crimes or whatever. Like,
Speaker 3: I'm very interested, but there's a group of mutants somewhere.
Speaker 3: I do think Charles could come from another universe. I
Speaker 3: think that could be very interesting.
Speaker 1: Though interesting, Aaron, any particular thoughts, uh.
Speaker 2: Nothing serious. I mean my like joke, my joke he
Speaker 2: thought is what if actually at the end of this
Speaker 2: we got Mehrshela. But he's playing Xavier and this whole
Speaker 2: time he's just been like, yeah, Blade is over, Like
Speaker 2: forget it because actually he's playing Xavier.
Speaker 7: You know what.
Speaker 3: I just want to say, if that was true, then
Speaker 3: that would be good because they really fucked up that
Speaker 3: man's whole career in life by putting him on hold
Speaker 3: for six years and fucking moving him.
Speaker 7: So yeah, everyone goes see your mother, your mother, your mother.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that Gene is being uh directed by whispers
Speaker 1: from Charles psychic wherever he is from beyond the cast
Speaker 1: since they haven't.
Speaker 7: Creeping on Jane, but Jake, I think they would do
Speaker 7: that later because.
Speaker 3: Remember then when they talk about the session where it
Speaker 3: is implied that Sarah died and she sends out the
Speaker 3: vmax message to Gene, who could hear it so far away,
Speaker 3: miles and miles away. They say they registered a huge spike.
Speaker 3: So when Gina helped well also as well, and if
Speaker 3: Gene evolved in that moment where she used her powers,
Speaker 3: Xavier would have one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: I think so Jane will be the I think Gene
Speaker 1: will be the first x men because he can't the
Speaker 1: first student. He can't. He's this pre Cerebro. He can't
Speaker 1: find mutants. Yet it will be her that helps.
Speaker 3: Him, and then she could be the one who tells
Speaker 3: him that Metsica was essentially creating some kind of Cerebro
Speaker 3: esque technology to track from new brains. Oh, baby, Jason,
Speaker 3: I'm feeling another weird.
Speaker 1: And then years later, Scott and Jean's child, Cable will
Speaker 1: try to assassinate Peter Parker to keep him from inventing mutant.
Speaker 7: Shut the fuck up, and.
Speaker 4: You're not ready.
Speaker 3: That's Jason charge right now, Kevin fig because I need
Speaker 3: to see it.
Speaker 1: Okay, where do we rank this in the Tears of
Speaker 1: MCU movies?
Speaker 2: Oh, Aaron, I think this is so. I also like
Speaker 2: Rosie saw it twice this weekend, so I saw it
Speaker 2: again yesterday. I think this is that nothing will compare
Speaker 2: to that moment of seeing all three Spider Man at
Speaker 2: once on screen. This, I think is an infinitely more
Speaker 2: rewatchable movie. And I just rewatched All the Spider Man
Speaker 2: and yes, you're right, I agree.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this actually feels ironically David Simms and all the
Speaker 3: rest of them, I actually think this feels the most
Speaker 3: like a movie.
Speaker 7: It feels like a movie.
Speaker 3: Like you know, there were people in Orlando Universe will
Speaker 3: say you won't guessday.
Speaker 7: They had no fucking idea.
Speaker 3: Jeane Gray was, they had no idea who punishable. They
Speaker 3: was a joy in a crazy Spider Man movie.
Speaker 2: I went to see it yesterday with a friend who's
Speaker 2: like a huge movie buff and he's an actor and
Speaker 2: he does not like Marvel in general, and he was
Speaker 2: like dragged a little. But once the Hulk fight came,
Speaker 2: like I was locked in and I was like, I'm
Speaker 2: surprised that that's what got you. Although that scene is
Speaker 2: incredible with Punisher, like, yes, we didn't even talk about
Speaker 2: how great that set piece.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's the biggest we've ever That's the.
Speaker 2: Biggest, is the biggest, that's the scaredest we've ever seen
Speaker 2: Punisher too, Can I can I.
Speaker 3: Call out that incredible line delivery from our complicated fave
Speaker 3: John Bunhor when he goes, well, good luck with that, Peter,
Speaker 3: because he's trying to be Oh that got a fucking
Speaker 3: barely laugh in the theater.
Speaker 4: When he into the the femininity of it at all.
Speaker 3: When I said this guy's got this guy's got problems
Speaker 3: or whatever, he's.
Speaker 7: So team Darling.
Speaker 2: He really is, because this is a that makes sense. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is definitely I think in my top tier. Like this, Jason,
Speaker 2: you you said, like when you go back, you know,
Speaker 2: Infinity War is kind of like infinitely rewatchable part of
Speaker 2: the pun but like you can just put that on
Speaker 2: and like be excited to see the rest of it
Speaker 2: and see different scenes from it. And this feels like
Speaker 2: it's gonna be that for me in a way that
Speaker 2: I can't wait to put this back on and just
Speaker 2: see the scene of Tom and Zenda on the roof together.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to watch the scene of like them
Speaker 2: arguing on the boat, you know, as Tom's are putting
Speaker 2: on the booby traps. So I think this has up
Speaker 2: in like my top three top five. Whoa top three?
Speaker 1: Okay, so the s tier Marvel, Yes, Joel.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna a tier it for now, which is to
Speaker 4: say this movie is excellent backwards and forwards. I think
Speaker 4: a little tightening up here and there, but I like
Speaker 4: all of the drop ins. I think they connected to
Speaker 4: the university. This is the first Marvel movie I've seen
Speaker 4: in years.
Speaker 5: Where I'm like, Okay, we're we are, we are in
Speaker 5: our bed, like this is bringing us. I make sense
Speaker 5: because of this movie, I'm excited for the next one.
Speaker 11: Crying trying to see you.
Speaker 4: Then it's fine, It's fine.
Speaker 5: He's working on it, Matt is coming, DC is figuring itself.
Speaker 5: Marvels has been in Struggle City for so long. So
Speaker 5: this is But I still think, like if I was
Speaker 5: just to rank it among this is my second favorite
Speaker 5: of the Spider Man movies. Put it just a little
Speaker 5: bit beneath Homecoming with the small asterix that it might
Speaker 5: change in a couple of years. I might come back around,
Speaker 5: but I know this is the best one. But I
Speaker 5: still I still have our little introduction into Peter and
Speaker 5: the high school and the smallness of the first movie.
Speaker 4: But this is really solid. What about you Rizzie, I am.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, I'm gonna it is a bit of
Speaker 3: recency bias, but I'm basically in between Joel and Aaron,
Speaker 3: so I'm going to go up to the stick because
Speaker 3: I do just think it was I was considering it,
Speaker 3: but often a second watch, I do think the.
Speaker 7: Performances are so good.
Speaker 3: I am somebody who loves my little sister, so that
Speaker 3: stuff really hit for me. I'm also an auntie and
Speaker 3: I tried to bring that aunt made energy to being
Speaker 3: hot and like cool and empathetic, and I just for
Speaker 3: me as someone who can be very easily emotionally manipulated
Speaker 3: by a movie, that emotional payoff with her and Jean
Speaker 3: is so huge. I can't think of the last time
Speaker 3: even like, look eternals, you're not gonna hit me.
Speaker 7: Drag it, guys, But that movie didn't many cry.
Speaker 3: Like I loved it, But it was because I loved
Speaker 3: the hard sci fi celestial cosmic jacka be kind of
Speaker 3: disconnect of it all.
Speaker 7: That's the point.
Speaker 3: This movie made me cry multiple times on second watch,
Speaker 3: and it is actually so emotionally fulfilling in a way
Speaker 3: that I just can't remember feeling about a lot of
Speaker 3: the other movies aside from you know, your big obvious
Speaker 3: character deaths and your Infinity Wars. So I think currently
Speaker 3: with recentcy bias noticed, I'm putting it in top tier
Speaker 3: because I think.
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeahdas, I think I deserve to talk to Peter
Speaker 5: Parker like finding the that whole sne really yeah, I'm
Speaker 5: with you, like a really emotionally moving film.
Speaker 4: Overall, Jeezu, what did you? How do you rank it?
Speaker 1: I'm going to put it in the A tier. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna put in the A tier movie wise overall MCU
Speaker 1: movies and the A tier both, but in terms of
Speaker 1: like what it means to the MCU right now, I
Speaker 1: think it's obviously an S tier like this puts them
Speaker 1: back on the front foot.
Speaker 3: No one was thinking this was going to open to
Speaker 3: almost a bill. No one say that, no one wanted
Speaker 3: to say that.
Speaker 1: I think the only you know, the criticism, and I
Speaker 1: think it's maybe fair that that the haters, and I
Speaker 1: say that not with any kind of venom, just just
Speaker 1: like whatever, who like real who like real cinema, that's fine,
Speaker 1: But the haters will say, well, the Spider Man phenomenon
Speaker 1: existed outside of Marvel for years before the MCU, just
Speaker 1: as the Batman phenomenon existed for years outside of the DCU.
Speaker 1: And that is true, which is why again I think
Speaker 1: it's very smart the way Marvel is positioning Spider Man
Speaker 1: to be at the kind of center of stories that
Speaker 1: they are launching going forward. All of which is to
Speaker 1: say the Sony Disney marriage will continue for a long time.
Speaker 1: At every movie, Pascal, the font on Amy Pascal's name
Speaker 1: is gonna get blown.
Speaker 7: Up before the Sony at the end, I was correct.
Speaker 1: That is absolutely right, And depending on how Deemsday goes,
Speaker 1: I think it's potentially like a comeback year for Marvel.
Speaker 1: It could be like or like a resetting of of expectations.
Speaker 3: The mc means how much how many reshoots that they
Speaker 3: try to do right now, Jason to fit more.
Speaker 1: Spied about it, Yeah, I mean it's got to be.
Speaker 7: They're going crazy right now.
Speaker 3: They're like, sad day, Tom will give you ten million
Speaker 3: dollars a day if you come distusively shoots.
Speaker 1: I saw Tom talking about saying that he's involved in
Speaker 1: whatever the plans are to like hand over the mantle
Speaker 1: once that happens, Like he's got the idea and you
Speaker 1: just know that they're hoping that that doesn't happen for
Speaker 1: ten years.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The good thing is I just want to say, as
Speaker 3: I've been pitching for a long time, and I hope
Speaker 3: this is what Thom is thinking. You can have Peter
Speaker 3: and Miles in the MCU at the same time. Peter
Speaker 3: can teach Miles. That's what happens in Altimer's first Miles
Speaker 3: debuts by himself does this thing, and then Peter revealed
Speaker 3: to actually be alive and he can be like a
Speaker 3: secret mental to Miles. Both can exist and at some
Speaker 3: point Miles becomes the focal point. But you're right, Jason,
Speaker 3: the success of this movie means we are waiting five
Speaker 3: years minimum for that.
Speaker 1: They won't do it for more than five years. I
Speaker 1: think it would actually be and obviously, like the artists
Speaker 1: and the creators should run, should make the decisions. But
Speaker 1: I actually think it would be fucking studio financial malpractice
Speaker 1: to kill off Peter Parker anytime within the next decade.
Speaker 1: If I can't do it, Tom would be stupid.
Speaker 3: Drink is of chapagne right now in their nice little
Speaker 3: house Kingston on Tennis thinking about how they're expanding their
Speaker 3: mansion and they love it. I love Myles also loves
Speaker 3: we've still got that second across the Spiders, Beyond the
Speaker 3: Spider Verse. You know we're going to get our Miles
Speaker 3: chunks and I just can't wait for it. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, what a stunner of a movie, Like it
Speaker 3: was better on second watch, honestly, so I would encourage
Speaker 3: you to go see it again.
Speaker 2: Guys, I think you know. The lesson that I hope
Speaker 2: Marvel and DC too takes from this is this is
Speaker 2: how you incorporate other characters from your universe in a
Speaker 2: way that makes sense. It's not shoehorning anyone in Hulk
Speaker 2: made sense. He was like an important vehicle, both as
Speaker 2: an intellectual to talk to Peter about the science and
Speaker 2: then be a brute force thing that.
Speaker 3: He has, and also an ethical moral compass is the
Speaker 3: first person. It's a cool which also I love that
Speaker 3: z MJ does as well. MJ's also like this is bad,
Speaker 3: you fucking dumb cough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I love that, and I hope the MCU
Speaker 2: takes note of that and not just hey, we got
Speaker 2: to Tom into everything, like we got to do all
Speaker 2: these well.
Speaker 1: I also think that as we set the stage the
Speaker 1: long awaited stage setting for the X Men. It must
Speaker 1: be set again that like the X Men were forget
Speaker 1: the Avengers for like thirty years, at the last sixty
Speaker 1: years of comics history, it was the X Men that
Speaker 1: were number one, a huge fan base that's just waiting
Speaker 1: out there for this team to be integrated. And so
Speaker 1: I do think that there is another booster jet so
Speaker 1: to speak, like if they they hit it right, I
Speaker 1: think that there is another.
Speaker 3: There's a vision, there's a world where X Men opened,
Speaker 3: a true X Men versus Avengers movie could open to
Speaker 3: too Bill weekend, like Marvel can start dreaming of those
Speaker 3: kind of records again. I also just want to say,
Speaker 3: if anyone wants some fun, multiple people sent these hilarious
Speaker 3: videos to me this weekend, go and watch some of
Speaker 3: the final script readings from Stranger Things where the rest
Speaker 3: of the cast, you know, they don't have anything else coming,
Speaker 3: and they're all crying.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, shiting great And she's like sou
Speaker 3: she was.
Speaker 4: Currently given a Toy nominated performance off Broadway at the time,
Speaker 4: and then.
Speaker 7: In a movie she's great.
Speaker 3: I'm just so happy for her, and I'm kind of
Speaker 3: I'm thinking Jason for so long we've been worried about
Speaker 3: can they introduce them, can they write them right?
Speaker 7: Can they do them justice? But I think I hadn't
Speaker 7: even really.
Speaker 3: Considered how this could be another phase one level of
Speaker 3: generationally great casting. And I think that Sadie hints that
Speaker 3: they know that they need to do something different, something cool,
Speaker 3: something not milk toast, something not the cops of the
Speaker 3: mutant world. But also as well, I think that the
Speaker 3: Tom John chemistry here is reminding me of that Tom Hidlesten,
Speaker 3: you know, low key kind of like oh my god,
Speaker 3: the the RDIJ and Sam rockwell together, those character chemistries
Speaker 3: that made the MCU sing and feel like so much more.
Speaker 3: The X Men could do that again. This movie made
Speaker 3: me remember how that can feel when the MCU gets
Speaker 3: it right. I don't think they've been able to do
Speaker 3: that fully for me with a lot of the newer stuff,
Speaker 3: but I would. Now I'm thinking, like Charles Melton, like
Speaker 3: who the fuck else can we get?
Speaker 7: Like what other incredible?
Speaker 3: Kim is a crazy put it will be obsessed.
Speaker 1: Kill Kaylee Spainey is rogue killing, slash taking Captain Marvel's powers.
Speaker 4: I'm ascending.
Speaker 7: I'm ascending and Captain Marvel's a fucking.
Speaker 1: Minute in an Avengers versus X Men fight, like killing her,
Speaker 1: taking her whole powers and becoming the rogue from the
Speaker 1: nineties kind flight and the in super strength, but also
Speaker 1: having like Captain Marvel's psyche embedded and her. Guys, we
Speaker 1: can do it all, we can do it.
Speaker 2: They do it right. And Justin could directing because he
Speaker 2: loves he's worked with her multiple times.
Speaker 3: Also, we could have it Charles Melton, academic sexy beast
Speaker 3: who is also kind like, come on, it's possible, guys.
Speaker 3: I just need them to get Storm right. That's what
Speaker 3: we're waiting for, honestly about it. But it's feeling positive, guys.
Speaker 3: This is the first time we've been feeling this positive
Speaker 3: for a while.
Speaker 1: Well, except fantastic for one last one last question, yes
Speaker 1: or no?
Speaker 4: Original?
Speaker 1: When they launched the X Men, is it the comics
Speaker 1: accurate original team? Yes or no?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 7: I think it's gonna be I don't think.
Speaker 1: That would be classic Cyclops, Cyclops Beast, Iceman Jean Gray.
Speaker 5: I don't think they need Iceman in your original kicking
Speaker 5: and I think there's a ton of new X Men
Speaker 5: if they don't put Kamalakon on that team.
Speaker 4: They have failed.
Speaker 5: She has been doing the like groundwork to like build
Speaker 5: up her audience to speak to them. She has the
Speaker 5: potential to be a Tom Hollands style like influencer of
Speaker 5: MCU like impact. She has to be she has to
Speaker 5: be there.
Speaker 4: I refused.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they won't do Iceman. They won't do
Speaker 2: Angel because they are already multiple winged flying characters. I don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like Ice is gay, I think they think
Speaker 3: you're white gay.
Speaker 1: I think he'll I think you're ignoring that. How good
Speaker 1: it would be to kill some of these X men
Speaker 1: in a.
Speaker 3: Emotional I also think we're going to get a version
Speaker 3: that is a mixture of Giant size and the Original five.
Speaker 3: So I think you could see like a Colossus on
Speaker 3: the team or something someone a little bit. Maybe not
Speaker 3: because they already did Deadpool recently.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I feel like Original five because of how powerful this
Speaker 3: gene casting is potentially. But you've got to have like Rogue,
Speaker 3: you gotta have Gambit, you've got to have the characters
Speaker 3: the kids know and love from the cartoons.
Speaker 7: So I think it's going to be more of a mix.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, Brandy Day, We loved it, Doomsday on that
Speaker 1: can't wait. On the next episode of Extra Vision, we're
Speaker 1: talking X Men, the penultimate episode of ninety seven season two.
Speaker 1: That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening, but let's
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