WEBVTT - Spider-Man: Brand New Day Deep Dive Roundtable 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:03.960 Warning, today's episode can need spoilers for Spider Man Brand 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:06.760 New spoiler spoiler spoilers. We're gonna be discussing the movie 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:10.960 and it's full splendor, including all the spoilers, So be worn, 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:31.280 be owned. Hello, name is Jason stept On and on 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:34.519 Mersday Night, and welcome back to Ta Vision, the podcast 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:36.680 where we dive eat in to your favorite shows, movies, 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:38.279 comments and pop culture are coming to you. 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:40.120 From iHeart, where we are. 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:46.200 Bringing you three episodes a week, Yes Saturday. In today's episode, 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:50.159 We've been patient. You've been patient. Other people didn't respect 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:52.600 your time and wait for you to go and see 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:55.320 the movie, but we did, and that is why right 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:59.440 now we are going to have a spoiler filled roundtable discussion. 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:01.600 We know more if you have probably seen it at 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:04.000 least once, maybe twice if you're in our discord now, 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:06.520 but it is going to be full of spoilless, huge 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:10.120 story spoilers, huge character spoilers, So be wet. We are 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:12.560 going to bring in Joel and Aaron to fill out 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:16.160 the roundtable and Jason is going to Spidery swing us 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:18.240 through this incredible movie. 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:23.880 Spyder around brand new day, historic box office opening well Rosie. 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.520 You and I predicted what the box office would be, 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:28.760 and we thought we were on the high end, and 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:33.199 it became clear by Friday afternoon that we were going. 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:35.640 To be on the low end. The question was how low. 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:40.360 We're now looking at a massive sub billion dollar opening 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:47.800 weekend global, so huge, huge dollar amount. It's actually fucking crazy. 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:53.360 The movie's out, lots to talk about. Let's welcome for 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:58.120 this roundtable super producers Joel and Aaron to the program. Joel, 0:01:58.200 --> 0:01:58.760 how are you. 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:01.480 Ready to talk about this movie? Guys? 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:04.240 I had big feels. I stand a new white man. 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:07.560 This is a rare curR. We're just here. 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:12.600 Crazy crazy times. She's not the only one, guys, It's 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:13.680 happening all over thought. 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:17.680 Yes, Aaron, welcome to the program. How are you? 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:20.639 Thank you? I'm great. I'm really curious to know which 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:22.280 white man it is because I feel like there are 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:23.560 two possible choices. 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:36.239 Okay, woa wow that Breadthall as Spider Man Brunhaal. 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:40.280 We are approaching peak Burnhall. With the recent viral videos 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:42.680 showing John Berthall. It would appeared to be the West 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:46.040 fourth Street cages. I couldn't it looked like West fourth Street, 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:50.680 but I might be wrong hooping' with just people in 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:54.720 the area. It's like the Marvel universe is real, becoming 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:56.760 Spider Man off the real world. 0:02:56.880 --> 0:03:00.360 Ironically, with the way he's interacting with his friendly Namehood 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:01.280 to give. 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:03.600 Logan has to join him out on that basketball court 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:05.320 and recreates. And that's the ninety seven scenes. 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:09.400 Yes, I also want to say, like we will get 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:11.280 into it more, but I mean burnhaal. 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:13.280 We all know how I got complicated feelings. 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:15.920 But goddamn, Aaron, you're not wrong, Like he makes a 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:19.000 good argument to become a Bernhall stand in this Rewatching 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:23.119 it last night with my nephew. Their chemistry is unbelievable. 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:26.800 I was balling way more than I was the first time. 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:31.919 It has come to my attention that Bernhall on some 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:34.360 film that they were the Tom and he were working 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:39.120 on together, that Bernhall was the one who likes filmed 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:42.760 better than that Tom's Tom Spider Man. 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:48.040 On this tape, Tom filmed, Franks for Tom filmed, but 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:52.560 John's for Punisher. So they've had this unbelievable journey together. 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:56.440 And not just that, it was actually John who told 0:03:56.640 --> 0:04:05.280 Tom to backflip into the scene and also make us 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:07.480 stand out and then he also was the one who 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:09.760 came up. Because this video is very viral, It's been 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:12.600 watched many times. John was the one who randomly threw 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:17.040 his boot at him so that he could pretend you know, wow, 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:21.680 I think this is to see them together like this. 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:23.400 I'm not sure if you guys have watched the Hot 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:27.560 Ones video yet. Yeah, but yes, I saw a great 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:29.920 tweet that somebody did. I think it was actually a 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.880 thread or whatever, but it was, like she said, you know, 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:36.320 there's something about seeing men be really emotionally vulnerable while 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:38.479 they're in physical pain that really does it for me. 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:43.640 That video is pure that like they're they're telling each 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:46.320 other their favorite things about each other and that what 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:49.000 they've seen each other grow over the last ten years 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:51.120 while just like crying in agony. 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:51.960 It's delightful. 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:56.800 Yeah, It's like usually you only get that kind of 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:01.200 uh content in an episode out of Summerhouse when the 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:06.800 party has ended and they're draining the last of their 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:10.000 lover boy hard self exactly. 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:12.400 That's what I'm saying, Jason. It was some real emotional 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:14.000 reality TV situation. 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:21.640 Let's start here, because it's been much theorized. Who cities 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:24.160 think was playing I think let's just it was quite click. 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:27.039 Let's finally rip the band up like she is Jane Gray. 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:30.400 When she said it, there was a ripple of excitement 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:32.720 that went through my audience. 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:37.360 For sure, people were like it was awesome. They I think, 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:40.840 was all that too, like they say Geene Elizabeth Gray. 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:43.920 I was not one hundred percent sure they would fully 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:46.480 just commit like that. But yeah, our press screening was 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:49.400 kind of crazy. The weird thing was when I saw 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:53.600 it in Orlando last night, nobody reacted like nobody knew 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:55.719 who she was, but they still loved the movie, you know. 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:57.920 And I think that's the kind of big crossover thing 0:05:58.000 --> 0:05:59.880 is for fans. That means something For people who had 0:05:59.920 --> 0:06:03.120 just randomly watching in a CityWalk universal, they just thought 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:04.120 it was a cool character. 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:08.560 Now, in our discord, there has been some conversation about, 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:13.159 and I've seen online some conversation too from various comic 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:17.240 critics and stuff saying, well, that's nothing like what Gene is. 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:17.400 Like. 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:21.360 Gene is a warm and caring and generous character. This 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:24.960 Gene is like killing, throwing people into the street to 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:26.119 be run over by truck. 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:26.919 Sorry, and. 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.960 This, that and the other. So I wanted to ask 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:37.440 what our feelings are about this depiction of Jean Gray 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:40.039 and her powers. 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:43.000 Rosie, thank you, Jason. 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:45.640 I appreciate you because I have many feelings about this. 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:49.360 I thought this was actually stunning. I got to tell you. Look, 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:51.800 we've seen Jean Gray brought to life so many times 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:53.839 on screen, right, We've seen the Phoenix. 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:55.359 We've seen these. 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:57.640 Huge kind of cosmic powers where she has no agency. 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:00.080 We've seen Charles controlling her. There is a line in 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:02.120 this movie where Jeene says, the only one who will 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:05.120 wheel this power will be me, and that is what 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:08.000 this is about. It is about Jane finding way to 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:15.840 subhass And also, look, do do psychics in the Marvel 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:17.520 Comics universe use their powers like this? 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:19.200 Like this is not really a gene power. 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:21.480 I understand that, but I thought the way that they 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.800 adapted it and suggested it made a lot of sense, 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:29.760 like the hopping into people's heads very specifically. People are like, well, 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:31.880 maybe that isn't it, But I thought here they did 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:33.040 a great job of explaining it. 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:36.240 I didn't mind that they made Sarah a mutant that in. 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:38.800 The comics she's a Gene's sister, but she's like a 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:41.920 human who's really pro mutants, but she does get killed. 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:45.320 But I think, really it's all about Sadie Sink and 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:47.520 she sold this to me, and also I'm sorry. And 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.080 even my twelve year old nephew he said the same 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:51.600 thing to me last night that I thought the first 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:53.559 time I saw this movie. If you have a sister, 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:56.559 if you have a sibling, gene doesn't go too hard. 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:58.920 I would do this shit in a fucking second. I 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:02.000 don't give a shit. You fucking take my little sister 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:05.400 and you fucking start doing experiments on her. Sorry, I'm 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:08.160 a teenager and I've got psychic now. Is like the 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:11.160 people in the MCU like they go, oh, how is 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:12.080 she redeemable? 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:12.400 Now? 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:13.280 Excuse me? 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:19.520 That's well years Brody killed so many people, and you fucking. 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:21.920 Can we just can we just as a group put 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:26.480 a put a body count on it. She she freezes 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:30.840 some section of the city that's like maybe. 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:34.640 It's a komita around so. 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:36.760 There's probably like a million and a half people in there. 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:39.880 You would assume that maybe some of them who had 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:44.120 underlying conditions didn't make it in any it's yeah, in 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:46.640 the in the car craw in the car chase across 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:47.320 the city. 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:52.480 That's definitely the one guy that she just kills. 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:56.120 It's just let's just put an estimated body count. Jean Craig, 0:08:56.400 --> 0:09:00.040 Jean Gray killed how many people estimated by extra. 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:01.040 Five and twelve. 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:03.360 I was gonna say, I'm going on the low end. 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:06.200 I think it's actually kind of low because the power 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:09.280 is immense when she's in when she has them in 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:11.640 the bubble, and I think I will say, here, you 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:15.320 know they're in the bubble for like, and you know 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:18.880 what sells how powerful the bubble is. It's Zendaya's fucking 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:21.960 amazing acting. Glada Boo is not here to counteract me 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:27.760 because when she one one fucking tear rolling down her face. 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.000 When I watched that last night in. 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:31.960 The front row as twelve year old water stick kids 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:34.840 will want to be, I was really looking at her like, 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:37.720 oh my god, this picture's face acting like crazy. 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:39.880 He was laughing, he was laughing. 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:43.960 He was like, awful, I'm so glad she's crying. 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:51.320 I think Jean's powers are like immense and terrifying in 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:52.959 the same way that start witches are. 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:56.360 But like, I think it's five to twelve at the most. 0:09:56.360 --> 0:10:03.199 I think Joel, you're right, Okay, twelve, Yes, Joelle, your 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:05.080 thought any thoughts about Jean Gray? Do you have any 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:06.400 issues with her depiction? 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:10.079 No, I really enjoyed this Jean Gray for a couple 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:13.920 of reasons. One, I think getting into like what are 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:18.320 the mutants and what makes them different? And like challenging, 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.720 like to set it off here like hey, your your 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.440 family could get kidnapped off the street and experimented and 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:28.439 disappeared and killed. Wow, super relatable, some stuff happening, kind 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:31.280 of important. I think like starting off on a darker 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.880 edge for the mutants is smart. I think teenagers are 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:38.760 notoriously reckless, and I think if you've been abandoned and 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:41.679 aloneer tend to be more reckless. So this makes sense. 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:43.600 And then for the power set and how it works, 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:45.760 you know, I just think they had to find a 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:48.160 way to visualize it. It can't just be the two 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:50.480 fingers to the head all of the time we've seen it. 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:52.800 People are kind of done with it. She's not bending 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:55.080 and moving metal and stuff, So to do it with 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:57.360 this sort of like these dancers in the movement. I 0:10:57.360 --> 0:11:01.320 thought the movement was really effective sense of like distance 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:03.560 and stuff. So yeah, No, I I loved it. I 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:04.839 thought that worked really well. 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:06.080 So I'm excited. 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:07.720 I'm glad this is Arjane Gray. I think it brings 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:10.840 up a lot of casting questions on what the future 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:12.920 of the X Men are going to look like, how 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:14.640 is that going to work out? But I'm excited to 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:16.320 like figure it out and it feels like it's in 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:16.880 good hands. 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:19.000 I like this characterization of her. 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:23.480 Aaron. Yeah, I want to go back, Jason to your 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:27.480 question about numbers here. I will say making it Roosevelt 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:30.480 Island was a choice. There is very close by New 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:34.600 York Presbyterian, Uh, just across the water, so that hospital 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:36.760 is close. Why didn't they make this Governor's Island? That 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:40.920 would have been pretty hospital free. 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:46.560 Yeah, I mean Stratton Island is chose, but that would 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:59.040 probably all be like that's fine. 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:56.080 Like another reason for it in the universe joke about 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:59.280 Staten Island if they did something there. I love that. 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:02.760 I was so I think I said this in one 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:06.320 of our preview episodes. There was so much smoke about 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:08.679 Sadie being Jean that I was going to be like 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:11.320 sick to my stomach if she wasn't Jane, because at 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:13.000 this point it just felt like she had to be. 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:16.679 I think Sadie is an incredible actor, and I think 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:19.439 she has done so much stuff on stage, Like I 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:21.960 don't think she was used to her vulabilities and stranger things, 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:24.719 especially the most recent season when she was, you know, 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:28.240 barely waking up from coma. But she was so good 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:32.360 here and I thought, just her like one on one 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:36.360 with Metzger at the very end where she is clearly 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:38.480 going through it, and then she's talking to Peter and 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:41.600 looking back at Metzger and then she does the scene 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:44.840 with Aunt. May you see like this huge range for 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:47.320 her and her do a complete one eighty in terms 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:50.960 of like her mindset around things, and I think she 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:56.280 handled it incredibly well. Now I appreciate a new take 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:58.800 on Jean Gray that is not the same that we 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:01.320 get in every animated series where she is a very 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:05.920 calm and demure like she's like the most she gets 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:09.080 the den mother of the ex righte yes, and I 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:11.840 like getting her a little spunkier right now. So I'm 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:14.200 I'm really into this to be the. 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:16.120 Best Dead Mother's wild teenage. 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:21.840 Yeah, well exactly, they evolved into really do Dead Mom. 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:23.880 Yeah, My, I did not have a problem with this 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:29.359 at all. My answer to this is that our interpretation 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:32.880 of who Jane Jean Gray is as a character. Yes, 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:36.199 is very different from this person, but also that's after 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:39.880 spending her whole life with the X Men, finding her 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:45.840 found family, fighting and learning and living and loving with 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:50.400 all of them. And you know, like Logan before the 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:54.679 X Men was a legit psychopathic murderer, serial killer who 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:57.600 probably killed I don't like freak of number five thousand 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:01.280 people at least, and so it makes sense that she 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:06.160 would be. And in fact, I want this younger version 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:07.920 of the X Men, whether we can talk about some 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:12.280 of the rumored casting us been bubbling up, I want 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:14.680 this roup, this younger version of the X Men, to 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:18.960 be more militant, angrier, like using their powers. Maybe they 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:21.400 killed people, maybe they didn't. I'm not going to make 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:24.000 excuses for that. But to your point, Rosie, like how 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:27.000 many people did Tony start before he even came on? 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:31.120 Just killed? 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:34.360 It's part of it. 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:38.320 And it absolutely makes sense to me that Jean Gray 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:44.360 would be furious, lashing out, angry, And it makes sense 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:48.360 that a Jean Gray who doesn't maybe her sister Sarah's 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:53.880 powers manifested that way. And if you know, if you're 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:56.920 not learning how to use the what your power You 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:59.360 don't know what the full breath of them are. You're 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.200 going to take your steps in the way that you 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:06.000 have been showed how to take those first steps. So 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:10.360 the fact that her, whatever her power set like, looked 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:13.960 like Karma from the mutant's power set or any other 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:18.920 number of possessive telepaths does not That doesn't bother me 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:19.360 at all. 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:22.120 Jason, can I ask you a kind of follow up 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:25.760 on that, right, which is like, we really get to 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:30.120 see here as well, this kind of visual evolution of 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:33.720 that moment of when a teenager's powers kind of explode, 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:35.960 where we get to see Jean's braid. 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:37.760 How did you feel like that was? Because I thought 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:40.040 that was such a cool thing that we looked cool. 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:42.800 It was amazing right to see how brain waves kind 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:46.640 of evolve and see how she came into power and 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:48.960 that's obviously not even the peak of her power. 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:51.920 She's still Yeah, it was very exciting, and it also 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:56.560 made me think like when they eventually do Avengers versus 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:59.320 X Men, and I guess you know, it seems like 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:05.000 some of Doomsday might have that folks. The X Men 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:08.960 wash eve every every time. 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:14.400 The potatoes, Babe potato small they. 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:19.200 Have like five or six regular members who can solo 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:20.800 the Avengers. 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:23.240 Likes a question, I mean, and Gene is among the 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:30.440 geyl Gene like they the evolution can take the Hulk entirely. 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:31.120 Literally. 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:35.920 Yeah, they need, they really need to resurrect Scarlet Witch quickly. 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:39.080 And I have to say another. 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:41.640 Another thing I have to say that I think they 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:45.000 did well here is this is one of those kind 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:47.560 of like you know, history rhymes or history echoes or 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:51.920 whatever we'd always said, like Scarlet Witch was very Jean 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:53.120 Gray Phoenix coded. 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:55.560 I actually think the way that they kind. 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:59.240 Of echoed one division here and echoed the way Wonder's 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:02.640 powers worked is actually really interesting and cool. And I 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:04.720 think that there is going to be more of a 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:09.000 conversation around mutations. What does it mean to be a mutant, 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:12.040 because remember when we first met Scarlett and Pietro, they 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:14.480 were in a kind of thing being tested on with 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:17.359 these mutative powers. We get the hints here of Peter 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:20.360 being able to push Gene out because he is going 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:21.160 through a mutation. 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:25.160 So I think we might finally we never really explained that. 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:29.000 Let's let's unpack that in a bit, because. 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:32.959 But like I think there's this idea basically that the 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:35.639 movies might be being a bit more free and loose 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:37.800 with the idea of what a mutant is, whereas in 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:40.359 the comics it was always very specific. Even though Peter 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:43.920 was mutated, he was not seen as a mutant because 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:45.240 he did not have the ex gene. 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:45.520 Right. 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:50.280 But in this world post k Kamala, post this version 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:54.359 of Peter, with these implications about different ways powers work, 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:56.960 I think it's going to be a little bit more loose, 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:59.959 and I'm very interested to see how they play on that. 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:05.600 I don't this is a good conversation. Yeah, but two things. 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:09.439 First of all, it's very important, just to add on 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:11.520 what I said before, it will be very important that 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:15.240 the mutants who were introduced to eventually become X men 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:18.920 or not are very angry because there needs to be 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:23.680 a conflict between Charles's way or Magneto's way, which and 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:26.639 it needs to be like a genuine toss up. Like 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:30.280 I don't know, Magneto is kind of making sense when 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:34.080 he says, let's just crash a fucking let's crash the 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:38.920 moon into the US, Like when he says something like that, 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:43.800 like it's young Scott, and what you know, young gene 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:45.600 and some of these other young mutants need to be 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:48.040 like I see where he's coming from, but I can't 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:48.680 let him do it. 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:51.040 Yeah, that I think that's very important. 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:55.000 And to your point, I think that you know where 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:56.840 I'm hoping they go with it. And I wonder what 0:18:56.880 --> 0:19:04.720 everybody thinks as mutants develop their own like community, which 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:07.879 it seems like they're they've laid the tracks for that 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:10.159 in Brand New day, certainly with the just like the 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:13.399 way they're being treated by society, and you're already seeing 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:15.560 anger pop up and the fact that there is this 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:19.879 government program to neuter people with powers. I think that 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:22.560 there's going to be like you could see a World 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:28.800 five six sequels from now where there's some hardcore mutants, 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:31.440 you know, the Exodus or like who are like Peter 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:33.720 Parker's secondary mutation. He's not a mutant. 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:35.560 He took he took. 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:39.840 A chemical I'm saying it got powers, and then he's 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:43.639 not a natural mutant. He can't live on Krakoa. I 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:45.240 don't know what do you, Joelle, what do you think 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:50.080 does does does Peter have his Crocohan passport? If we 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:51.639 ever do the island. 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:54.880 No, especially if they can track the tech that controls 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:56.000 the inspect. 0:19:55.560 --> 0:20:06.560 To wagg we were right about that. We called that 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:10.240 one a long time ago when we first saw the 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:13.840 dampener that Rispanner wears in the trailer that they were 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:16.000 gonna that was going to be the tech that they 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:19.480 used to control mutants in their future mutant concentration camps. 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:23.880 Yep. The only reason I think they might not do 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:26.320 that storyline with the mutants is they sort of did 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:30.000 that a little with Wakanda, with Killmonger being like, oh, 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:32.800 you are the descendant of Wakandans, but you were not 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:36.080 born in Wakanda, and that was a point of conflict there, 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:39.840 so they maybe they wouldn't revisit it quite the same way. 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:43.720 But I do think it is an interesting story. I 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:45.879 really like, Jason, what you were saying about, like we 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:48.399 need we need the young X men to sort of 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:52.359 bell Like I want Scott's introduction to be him like 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:55.160 shooting down flock cameras or something like walking home from 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:59.280 school like as opposed to just like being studious and 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:01.200 like at home. And that's the. 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:05.679 Sexiest introduction of Scott I've ever heard. 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:11.280 Considering some of the casting rumors out there, confirmed casting 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:14.760 and casting rumors if they ever do, if they ever do. 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:19.880 The Psychic Affair Emma Scott and Jean Love Triangle. I mean, 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:23.400 this is one of the craziest roles in Hollywood history. 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:26.959 Scott the cost right now? 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:33.439 Actually, okay, does anyone have any cost things? Actually, Jason, 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:36.240 I'm just because you're can't think about that. So we 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:38.960 know that there's a ten age difference between Sadie Sink 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:43.080 and our beloved Samara Weaving, who is rumored to be 0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:47.240 cost as Emma Frost. So you're cast confirmed by deadline, 0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:50.160 but not like Disney. Disney hasn't come out and officially 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:51.920 said it. But this is a we know that she's. 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:54.199 Really cost cost but but. 0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:59.959 So you're looking at someone in the twenty mid twenty eighteen, 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:04.520 the twenties kind of range for a Scott, Like, who 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:05.159